***Official Premiership, FA Cup, Carling Cup, Champions League etc. Thread***

[Grouty]

For all those of you who follow football over here and want to discuss goings on with your team and debate the upcoming season. Feel free to talk about anything football related on this side of the pond.

I'll start by saying that Tevez has rejected a move to Inter Milan because he refused to meet their deadline to sign a deal, so a potential move to Arsenal may be back on the cards :multi

[wooten843]

Darren Bent just signed with Tottenham, that should be an interesting move because they will now have 4 legit strikers. I easily could seen them top 4 in EPL. We'll see.

[41ravens]

you might confuse some people.

for americans, he means soccer.

and sorry, i don't follow it.

[Grouty]

Darren Bent just signed with Tottenham, that should be an interesting move because they will now have 4 legit strikers. I easily could seen them top 4 in EPL. We'll see.

I'm not so sure, being an Arsenal fan I'm ridiculously biased when it comes to all things Tottenham but I honestly think that Bent is overrated and overpriced. Although I will admit I'm slightly more apprehensive about Spurs competing with us this season than usual.

[aeroshady]

Haha yeah my Fifa 07 Help thread was turning into this so I like the thread...and I Love Manchester United...got it done this year in the EPL but not in anything else...they will still be stacked going into the 2007-2008 season. With Arsenal losing Henry they should take both of those games in payback for this past season. Also, I am already planning a trip to go see the best team in the world (Man United) sometime in march of 08!! I can't wait, I have never been to England!

[dmbigeyedphish]

I'm really looking forward to watching Berbatov and Keane tear it up this season. I became a huge fan of them towards the end of the year.

[2steppinKJ]

Here's to the LDV Vans Trophy! :thumbsup

Seriously though I'm hopeful that Spurs can continue their revival. Bent's a good acquisition for them.

[DMBfan41]

Liverpool baby!

[aeroshady]

Liverpool baby!

Boo to Liverpool and I was just in Denville about 20 minutes ago haha. Right at Indian Lake.

[Grouty]

Seems theres a lot of Spurs fans out there unfortunately. And to all you Arsenal doubters, just you wait and see, we will manage fine without Henry, I mean we managed last season for the most part without him, and even then he wasn't anywhere near top form at any point. As soon as we sign a suitable replacement a Champions League place will be ours no problem.

[2steppinKJ]

Seems theres a lot of Spurs fans out there unfortunately. And to all you Arsenal doubters, just you wait and see, we will manage fine without Henry, I mean we managed last season for the most part without him, and even then he wasn't anywhere near top form at any point. As soon as we sign a suitable replacement a Champions League place will be ours no problem.

I'm not a Spurs fan by any means - just been interested in their improvement last season, that's all and hope that it's not just a one year thing. :) I don't really follow any team with a passion, just keen on the game itself.

[aeroshady]

USA Vs. Argentina at 2pm.

[sdmc229]

USA Vs. Argentina at 2pm.
saw that match last night. Only covered in Chicago on spanish language TV

[aeroshady]

saw that match last night. Only covered in Chicago on spanish language TV

yeah here it was only on today at 2. I know they lose 4-1. At least we had the lead for about 2 minutes haha.

[Grouty]

yeah here it was only on today at 2. I know they lose 4-1. At least we had the lead for about 2 minutes haha.

Also Argentina are the favourites by far so all things considered not a catastrophic result for you lot.

[eggie24]

Also Argentina are the favourites by far so all things considered not a catastrophic result for you lot.

better than the 6-0 romping that was expected. just a little better, lol

[jmudmbphan]

umm....football is played with pads on a 100 yard field....dont me you soccer?? lolz!

[eggie24]

umm....football is played with pads on a 100 yard field....dont me you soccer?? lolz!

you said lolz. thats all. and no its football. just cause america is retarded doesnt mean the rest of the world is.

[jmudmbphan]

you said lolz. thats all. and no its football. just cause america is retarded doesnt mean the rest of the world is.

ummmmi think its soccer! silly goose!

[laststraw41]

Liverpool baby!

:thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsupYNWA

Momo just signed on for another 4 year, and we're on the brink of signing Torres for just under 27m pound. Expect big things from the Reds this year.

Also: Carlos Tevez rejected Inter's bid for him, claiming he wants to stay in the EPL. Arsenal? LFC? Should be interesting to see where he goes after the end of Copa America.

[laststraw41]

yeah here it was only on today at 2. I know they lose 4-1. At least we had the lead for about 2 minutes haha.

Half of our first team isn't even playing, we're not even in the CONMEBOL and are invitees along with Mexico for the tournament.

Donovan, Twellman, among the U.S.'s other best players aren't competing so it isn't expected that we do well.

Winning the Gold Cup was a huge accomplishment for us being that it is our confederation's cup, not another continent's.

[Grouty]

you said lolz. thats all. and no its football. just cause america is retarded doesnt mean the rest of the world is.

Thank you!

An American who actually understands this!:multi

(theres gotta be other Arsenal fans out there somewhere?)

[jmudmbphan]

ha...that was sarcasm above.....i love the priemer league

[TheMakerDMB17]

I definitely dig this thread, it is about we had a real futbal thread

[Grouty]

ha...that was sarcasm above.....i love the priemer league

Good stuff, any team you follow or just appreciate the game?

[jmudmbphan]

ive grown to like arsenal just from watching the stuff we get on tv over here..i see them the most, so have probably followed them the most

[SoRight24]

I wish we had something like Premiership over here in the US.

The MLS is a joke. :(

[Grouty]

Even better stuff. Yeah we play arguably the best football in the league just the lack of results from the intricate passing and flying counter attacks thats the pain.

[eggie24]

ive grown to like arsenal just from watching the stuff we get on tv over here..i see them the most, so have probably followed them the most

I thank god for fox soccer channel regularly, but man do i miss the time when i was studying abroad, it was so nice, and easy, to watch games. and i was there for half the world cup in 2002. that was fantastic. They definitely show most of the arsenal, man u and chelsea games. My friend and I have found a great bar in NYC to watch games at now, so I'm looking forward to that for next year.

[eggie24]

I wish we had something like Premiership over here in the US.

The MLS is a joke. :(

I remember watching two premier league games one sat to be followed by the MLS opening games. Totally painful and depressing.

[Grouty]

I remember watching two premier league games one sat to be followed by the MLS opening games. Totally painful and depressing.

Well its a bit unfair to compare really with the Premiership being one of, if not the greatest league in the world, because the MLS has had to deal with the fact that football just isn't as popular in America. As it grows in popularity (which Beckham hopes his move will lead to, though I'm skeptical) then people will become more involved and more talent will come through and the league will start to produce better sides and better football.

[jmudmbphan]

it would be nice if the english started to appreciate baseball the way we do foottball...maybe increase the popularity of the sport worldwide

[eggie24]

Well its a bit unfair to compare really with the Premiership being one of, if not the greatest league in the world, because the MLS has had to deal with the fact that football just isn't as popular in America. As it grows in popularity (which Beckham hopes his move will lead to, though I'm skeptical) then people will become more involved and more talent will come through and the league will start to produce better sides and better football.

you can only say that cause you live in england. im totally allowed to complain about the crap football here in the states. of course i dont expect it to be as good as the premier league, and i truly value how much it has grown here since i started playing back in 1985. i can still totally be jealous of the quality football and great environment when watching games that you have and we will most likely never have.

[laststraw41]

Well its a bit unfair to compare really with the Premiership being one of, if not the greatest league in the world, because the MLS has had to deal with the fact that football just isn't as popular in America. As it grows in popularity (which Beckham hopes his move will lead to, though I'm skeptical) then people will become more involved and more talent will come through and the league will start to produce better sides and better football.

Alexi Lalas compared the two... Better yet, he actually called the EPL inferior to the MLS :haha

[Grouty]

you can only say that cause you live in england. im totally allowed to complain about the crap football here in the states. of course i dont expect it to be as good as the premier league, and i truly value how much it has grown here since i started playing back in 1985. i can still totally be jealous of the quality football and great environment when watching games that you have and we will most likely never have.

Sorry I didn't mean to say you didn't have the right to complain or be jealous, just saying hopefully in time it will grow to become a better league and it is very possible that it will.

Alexi Lalas compared the two... Better yet, he actually called the EPL inferior to the MLS :haha

Well hes bound to say that...even if he is talking out of his arse.

[Grouty]

it would be nice if the english started to appreciate baseball the way we do foottball...maybe increase the popularity of the sport worldwide

I think we are very hypocritical in this sense in that we expect Americans to think football is the greatest sport in the world (which it is but thats another argument entirely:p) but rarely give American sports the chance. I for one would love to appreciate American sports more but don't really have the oppurtunity to as I don't have Sky Sports, or should I say I'm not allowed to have Sky Sports because I'd never do any school work.

[jmudmbphan]

I think we are very hypocritical in this sense in that we expect Americans to think football is the greatest sport in the world (which it is but thats another argument entirely:p) but rarely give American sports the chance. I for one would love to appreciate American sports more but don't really have the oppurtunity to as I don't have Sky Sports, or should I say I'm not allowed to have Sky Sports because I'd never do any school work.


you should definitely try to get into it if you can...i think baseball is th best sport in the world

[laststraw41]

The U.S. could easily be a world power in soccer/football if all of our citizens were devoted to the sport.

Look at Brazil for example, over 180 million people live there, and the only sport they really play is soccer, so of course they are going to have a handful of amazing players. Whereas in America the majority of the population would rather play other, more popular (in the U.S.) sports such as baseball or American Football or basketball.

I'm sure if we looked through our entire population of over 300 million people, we could field a pretty damn good squad.

Also, back on topic, Torres will lead the EPL in goals this coming season.

EDIT: I was mistaken earlier, Twellman DID play, as well as Johnson, but those were the only 2 first team U.S. players that played against Argentina's top squad.

[Grouty]

Hmm, I think Torres will need a season to adjust properly (like Drogba etc) before that but its possible. My money is on Drogba again, although my bias says that Van Persie will be up there scrapping for that Golden Boot this year.

[aeroshady]

Everyone I know are Arsenal fans. I think they became the "cool" team to like for people just getting into the sport or that don't know much about it, just as Manchester United was about 5 years ago when they had Beckham. When I ask most of my friends why they like Arsenal it was the same answer "I like Henry but now I don't want to just drop Arsenal as my team now that he left." This was the same response I got from some people that liked Man United when Beckham was there. I happen to love Manchester United because I love the history of the team.

....and because when I first got into the sport Beckham was my favorite player haha.

[laststraw41]

Yeah I doubt Torres will have what it takes in his first year. But I also think Drogba has no shot at it this year, Ballack and Shevchenko are absolute clowns, and Lampard is slipping as well. He needs more support to be able to do it, and watch for Kalou to step into the forefront of Chelsea's attack this year.

I also don't see Van Persie even leading Arsenal in scoring this year... I'm more intrigued by Theo Walcott's talent and expect him to do great things filling in for Henry, unless of course they pick up Tevez.

If Tevez were to come to a big club I think he could lead the EPL in scoring, he's already made it clear his wishes are to remain in the Barclay's.

There's a decent chance he end up at LFC as well, since he's spending a good amount of time with Javier Mascherano now for the Copa America.

[Grouty]

Everyone I know are Arsenal fans. I think they became the "cool" team to like for people just getting into the sport or that don't know much about it, just as Manchester United was about 5 years ago when they had Beckham. When I ask most of my friends why they like Arsenal it was the same answer "I like Henry but now I don't want to just drop Arsenal as my team now that he left." This was the same response I got from some people that liked Man United when Beckham was there. I happen to love Manchester United because I love the history of the team.

....and because when I first got into the sport Beckham was my favorite player haha.

Bergkamp was the man for me, just complete quality throughout his career and completely loyal to Arsenal. Although he wasn't the reason I got into Arsenal (that was more of a family thing). Yeah but Arsenal's 49 game unbeaten run in the league, and the football they played in it really helped boost their popularity I think.

Yeah I doubt Torres will have what it takes in his first year. But I also think Drogba has no shot at it this year, Ballack and Shevchenko are absolute clowns, and Lampard is slipping as well. He needs more support to be able to do it, and watch for Kalou to step into the forefront of Chelsea's attack this year.

I also don't see Van Persie even leading Arsenal in scoring this year... I'm more intrigued by Theo Walcott's talent and expect him to do great things filling in for Henry, unless of course they pick up Tevez.

If Tevez were to come to a big club I think he could lead the EPL in scoring, he's already made it clear his wishes are to remain in the Barclay's.

There's a decent chance he end up at LFC as well, since he's spending a good amount of time with Javier Mascherano now for the Copa America.

I think that Tevez is a good candidate for top goalscorer, depending where he ends up. I can't see him going to Anfield if Torres is signed though as it leaves less room for Kuyt who I believe to be quality, and two big names may not necessarily be a good thing. As for Walcott I think his development as a top class player might be stunted slightly by the loss of Henry as he no doubt influenced and helped him last season. Also Kalou is a good point too, ah so much to look foward to, can't wait for the season to start again (for playing reasons as well)

[whodat]

I have found my new home thread on Ants!!! :bounce

Nice to see people chatting it up over some soccer/futbol. I will toss my alligence behind ManU, only because, like one person stated earlier, when I first found the EPL over 15 years ago, I saw a ManU game and have followed them ever since. I love Ronaldo. He is an arrogent dick, just like Rooney, but they can both play. If you have the knads to back it up, I guess you be a arse on the pitch.

I do think that Aresenal will be a solid team this year, even without Henry. He didn't play that much this year with the team and the still finished in the top 4 of the EPL, finished runner up to Chelsea in the Carling Cup, and made the R. of 16 in Champs League. They are a young, and potentially dangerous, team.

I do like that no Chelsea supporters have chimed in yet. Let's keep it that way. :D

[Grouty]

I do hope your right about Arsenal. Despite some stuff I may have said earlier in the thread I am slightly apprehensive for this season at the moment.

As for the Chelsea fans, good call.

[whodat]

What I saw of Arsenal last year impressed me. They were able to contend on several fronts with a diminished squad. Tons of injuries, young players, lots of travel. I think only a few games this year that I saw did I think that Arsenal was playing for the 0-0 tie.

With some added time off, hopefully they can come out fast this season and give the Red Devils and Blues something worry about. And don't forget about LFC. They seem to be loading up for a huge push this year.

[laststraw41]

I'd watch out for Newcastle as well, they've added a number of talented players and are being taken over by a wealthy new owner so more is sure to come. It looks as though Owen might be staying a Toon as well.

It should be a good season and I hope the Reds can avenge for the unfortunate UCL final this past tournament.

Grouty: I believe Crouch to be a more valuable asset than Kuyt right now, but I do expect Kuyt to step into form this coming year similar to Drogba at Chelsea.

[whodat]

I am not so sure about Newcastle. They seem to enter every season as 'This is going to be the turn around year.' It never happens. Maybe with some new blood at Toon it will change, with the signing of Allardyce being huge, but I am still skepticle.

Does anyone feel that Everton can repeat what they did last year?

[laststraw41]

They also signed Viduka, Barton, and have a healthy Owen (hopefully for them) returning. If they can hang on to Owen and keep him healthy I expect them to place top 7 and return to European competition.

As a Liverpool fan I dislike Everton and hope they do poorly, but I do love Tim Howard so I'd like to see him do well. Contradictory I know, but I don't see them pressing the big 4 anyway.

Tottenham, Newcastle, and Manc City will be the most threatening teams to the big 4 this season, IMO of course.

[eggie24]

They also signed Viduka, Barton, and have a healthy Owen (hopefully for them) returning. If they can hang on to Owen and keep him healthy I expect them to place top 7 and return to European competition.

As a Liverpool fan I dislike Everton and hope they do poorly, but I do love Tim Howard so I'd like to see him do well. Contradictory I know, but I don't see them pressing the big 4 anyway.

Tottenham, Newcastle, and Manc City will be the most threatening teams to the big 4 this season, IMO of course.

I said this in another thread, i love owen, ive always loved owen, but he's just another big injury waiting to happen unfortunately. all those hamstring strains then the non-contact ACL tear? totally related to each other, damn shame really. I hope he stays healthy for a bit.

[whodat]

The chips are in Newcastles favor for sure, let's just see what they do with them. A healthy Owen would be very helpful this season. He should open up lots of chances for the rest of the team.

I should have known that you wouldn't give Everton much chance. :lol I was impressed at how well they played through out the season. They had chances in every match and that is all you can ask for.

I agree with you about Newcastle and Spurs challenging for a top 7 spot, but I not so sure about City. Not just because I am a ManU fan, but because they looked horrible last season. Some games that I watched of City, I thought I was watching MLS for a second. It was that bad. But you never know what the new season will hold.

[laststraw41]

Yeah MC aren't in the best of shape but I really like Daniel Sturridge and think they could do well, maybe not this year but in the coming years for sure.

Especially with Sven on board ;)

[2steppinKJ]

They also signed Viduka, Barton, and have a healthy Owen (hopefully for them) returning. If they can hang on to Owen and keep him healthy I expect them to place top 7 and return to European competition.

As a Liverpool fan I dislike Everton and hope they do poorly, but I do love Tim Howard so I'd like to see him do well. Contradictory I know, but I don't see them pressing the big 4 anyway.

Tottenham, Newcastle, and Manc City will be the most threatening teams to the big 4 this season, IMO of course.

I had flashbacks of Warren Barton (who played for the Toon in the late 90s). Good ol' times when they had Alan Shearer at his prime.

[laststraw41]

I almost forgot, Newcastle also got Rozenhal! They're looking verrry solid.

LFC will still mess them up ;)

[Grouty]

Newcaslte are indeed looking considerably better, with Allardyce being the main reason for that. Although I agree with the person who said that it seems that Newcastle always seemed to be hyped up to a point where they fail to deliver.

Talking of Allardyce reminds me that I think Bolton won't be the force they have been in previous seasons. I reckon Arsenals "bogey" team could well be Newcastle this year rather than Bolton. Or simply put it is whoever Allardyce is managing.

I think that top 4 will be Man Utd, Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool (not in that order) with the UEFA Cup spots going to Tottenham, Newcastle, and maybe Reading or Everton.

[aeroshady]

Newcaslte are indeed looking considerably better, with Allardyce being the main reason for that. Although I agree with the person who said that it seems that Newcastle always seemed to be hyped up to a point where they fail to deliver.

Talking of Allardyce reminds me that I think Bolton won't be the force they have been in previous seasons. I reckon Arsenals "bogey" team could well be Newcastle this year rather than Bolton. Or simply put it is whoever Allardyce is managing.

I think that top 4 will be Man Utd, Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool (not in that order) with the UEFA Cup spots going to Tottenham, Newcastle, and maybe Reading or Everton.

haha really going out on a limb with those picks! but yeah I agree with them.

[Grouty]

:lol Yeah but realistically I don't know who I'd replace out of those with any of the teams below them so I thought I'd hedge my bets and play it safe on those 4. Not that my next 3 is anything out of the ordinary apart from Reading I guess.

[laststraw41]

Diego Forlan and Villareal have agreed on a 4 year deal with Atletico, Torres is all but done for Liverpool, all we need now is for him to return from holiday and sign. :D

[Grouty]

Well thats good, because it means the Forlan to Arsenal rumour had no merit. Now if he had come that would have pissed me off. I'm slightly worried about the seeming lack of anything close to a rumour in the last few days surrounding Arsenal buying a striker. However, things are usually kept quite quiet so who knows. Hopefully, waiting for Tevez to finish the Argentina and then we'll swoop in there for him.

[laststraw41]

Tevez to Arsenal isn't looking so good anymore.

http://home.skysports.com/list.aspx?hlid=474516&CPID=8&clid=21&lid=2&title=Tevez+admits+Real+appeal&channel=football_home&

""I would like to play at Real Madrid, but there is no offer from Real Madrid. I have yet to hear anything from Real," he told Radio Punta."

Looks like Tevez has aspiring hopes to play at Bernabeu, however it may not be the final result for him, so there is hope.

[Grouty]

Fuck it! He's realistically the only player that I would be completely happy with coming to Emirates. Most of the other rumours I have my doubts over.

[laststraw41]

Yeah Tevez is causing way too much stir, I wish he'd just sign somewhere and shut everybody up.

I really think Walcott will be great for the Gunners though. :thumbsup

[Grouty]

Yeah, I think he will as well. Stiil, I'd feel better with a more experienced striker bought in. Even if he wasn't there to play every game of the season just someone our younger players can learn from and feed off and generally look up to. Also a 15+ goals wouldnt go amiss.

[laststraw41]

A good target would be Klaas-Jan Huntelaar; he's an incredible talent and would fit in well with Van Persie up top as a fellow Dutchman.

I'm not sure if he will leave Ajax though. Again, time will tell.

[TwoStepJeff]

absolutely made up about Torres signing for us. I still contend we need some better production out of our midfield, but i would attribute much of last seasons por form to just being plain tired after the world cup. who knows haha

oh did you guys see Rafa as listed Heinze as one of his targets:violent:violent:violent

oh and to add on the anti chelsea feeling

fuck off chelsea fc
you aint got no history
5 big cups and 18 leagues
now thats what we call history:D:D

[Grouty]

A good target would be Klaas-Jan Huntelaar; he's an incredible talent and would fit in well with Van Persie up top as a fellow Dutchman.

I'm not sure if he will leave Ajax though. Again, time will tell.

Yeah, he's the player I'm most intrigued by and if he can adapt well he would be fantastic. But thats a big if.

[TwoStepJeff]

Yeah, he's the player I'm most intrigued by and if he can adapt well he would be fantastic. But thats a big if.

s we have already discussed, I think it takes imports a year to get used to the pace and toughness of the Prem. I am expecting good things from Kuyt for example just because he knows the deal. With that said, I also think it comes down to tactics as well. Again using Kuyt as an example, Rafa never really let him settle in the box to poach goals, he played way too far up into the midfield for my liking.

I think with the style Arse use, Huntelaar could be a great signing

[TwoStepJeff]

Rob, what do you think of the new Away and Euro/3rd strips?

[laststraw41]

absolutely made up about Torres signing for us. I still contend we need some better production out of our midfield, but i would attribute much of last seasons por form to just being plain tired after the world cup. who knows haha

oh did you guys see Rafa as listed Heinze as one of his targets:violent:violent:violent

oh and to add on the anti chelsea feeling

fuck off chelsea fc
you aint got no history
5 big cups and 18 leagues
now thats what we call history:D:D

Torres is literally a signature away, we are likely going to send Garcia back in a separate deal.

No I didn't see that about Heinze, he sucks though... Where did you read that?

And YES! Chelsea blows! Geremi blew the semi's for them in Europe against us :lol

Rob, what do you think of the new Away and Euro/3rd strips?

Actually, I really really love them, I like the black Euro's better but those aren't available yet to buy for some reason. I'm thinking I'm gonna buy a new away Torres 9 once he's announced though.

[Grouty]

I'm still undecided on Arsenal's new away kit. On one hand I like the style and design but on the other hand its predominantly white which is the main colour of the scum of the earth, Tottenham.

[laststraw41]

I love Arsenal's new away, it looks extremely classy. The third however, not so much.

[Grouty]

This is gonna sound really dumb but what is our third kit?

[TwoStepJeff]

Read about the heinze on one of the liverpool forums. i would be soooo pissed. we dont want any scum in our squad!

as for the kit, i am for sure getting the black one when they are released. i am debating between a carra or torres. i think the away torres 9 would look great!

i am gutted about luis going the other way. i loed the lil bastard haha. but if it means we get torres, i can cope with that

[laststraw41]

This is gonna sound really dumb but what is our third kit?

http://soccerlens.com/new-arsenal-away-3rd-kit/1773/

Looks like Barca. :lorraine

Read about the heinze on one of the liverpool forums. i would be soooo pissed. we dont want any scum in our squad!

as for the kit, i am for sure getting the black one when they are released. i am debating between a carra or torres. i think the away torres 9 would look great!

i am gutted about luis going the other way. i loed the lil bastard haha. but if it means we get torres, i can cope with that

Yeah I think I'm getting a Torres 9 but I'm not sure if I want the white or the black yet...

I'm not too distraught over Luis going, he's getting up in age and isn't overly consistant for us.

[Grouty]

http://soccerlens.com/new-arsenal-away-3rd-kit/1773/

Looks like Barca. :lorraine



Hmm I'm skeptical to be honest. Until its released officially I tend not to believe rumoured kits. I didn't realise they were releasing one actually. If it is real I'm not exactly sure what I think, though maybe they are deliberately taking colours from rivals kits for our away and third kits for a laugh.

(Having said that Chelseas new away kit is just a laugh a minute :lol)

[laststraw41]

Yup Chelsea's are absolutely atrocious.. A friend of mine is a big CFC supporter and is extremely pissed about it :lol

I would be skeptical but they have LFC's third kits on there too and they appear to be the real deal, so I trust it.

[Grouty]

Mind you even if it turns out to be the third kit, use of it will be minimal so they could make it look like Chelseas away kit and it wouldn't be the worse thing in the world.

[TwoStepJeff]

Rob have you jumped on the Voromania band wagon yet? we are currently accepting applications :thumbsup

[laststraw41]

Mind you even if it turns out to be the third kit, use of it will be minimal so they could make it look like Chelseas away kit and it wouldn't be the worse thing in the world.

Which kits are you talking about?

Rob have you jumped on the Voromania band wagon yet? we are currently accepting applications :thumbsup

Voronin? I'm not huge on him, but he could help I guess.

I just don't really think much of the Bundesliga or players that come from there.

I rank it something like this...

1. EPL
2. La Liga
3.Serie A
4. Eredivisie
4.25 Bundesliga

etc. Munich is really the only good team in that league I believe, and they didn't even make it back to CL play this year... I'll take PSV and Ajax over them any day.

[Grouty]

Which kits are you talking about?



This is Chelseas new away kit

http://www.football-shirts.co.uk/fans/192

:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol

[laststraw41]

This is Chelseas new away kit

http://www.football-shirts.co.uk/fans/192

:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol

Right I wasn't sure if you were talking about those or the Arsenal thirds. But yeah, we're going to see a good deal of the yellows I think.

[TwoStepJeff]

Which kits are you talking about?



Voronin? I'm not huge on him, but he could help I guess.

I just don't really think much of the Bundesliga or players that come from there.

I rank it something like this...

1. EPL
2. La Liga
3.Serie A
4. Eredivisie
4.25 Bundesliga

etc. Munich is really the only good team in that league I believe, and they didn't even make it back to CL play this year... I'll take PSV and Ajax over them any day.

haha i was being pretty sarcastic about Voronin haha:lol :lol

i see him in more of the fowler mode, getting a run in here and there, but you have to think the main strike partnership will now be Kuyt and Torres

[laststraw41]

haha i was being pretty sarcastic about Voronin haha:lol :lol

i see him in more of the fowler mode, getting a run in here and there, but you have to think the main strike partnership will now be Crouch and Torres

That's more like it ;)

[TwoStepJeff]

That's more like it ;)


haha well dont get me wrong, Crouch is my boy! Original Crouchaholic I am! Just think that Kuyt will offer more disruptiveness in the Prem. Now CL fixures and some of the weaker Prem teams, you will see Crouch. imho, he is the best forward we have

[laststraw41]

Crouchie is the best! I really love him, but in reality, Kuyt and Torres are the better pairing as far as being able to play off of eachother..

Looks like Chelsea will be getting Malouda, where he is dead set on going, if they can match the price tag that is... Chelsea's 12m offer was rejected, Lyon valuating him at 17m. I hope they don't get him :lol

[eggie24]

so I've always wondered, if you're american, how did you get into following the premier league and football in general? I know lots of people that sit down and watch the game and appreciate it, but few that follow it with such passion and can actually talk about the players.
Personally, I've been playing since I was 4. I really just appreciate a good match, no matter who is playing, but my allegience falls with Liverpool mainly because of my teenage crush on Michael Owen.

[laststraw41]

so I've always wondered, if you're american, how did you get into following the premier league and football in general? I know lots of people that sit down and watch the game and appreciate it, but few that follow it with such passion and can actually talk about the players.
Personally, I've been playing since I was 4. I really just appreciate a good match, no matter who is playing, but my allegience falls with Liverpool mainly because of my teenage crush on Michael Owen.

I played for a long, long time growing up and have always loved the sport, it truly is the beautiful game.

Ya Reds!! YNWA! :thumbsup

[TwoStepJeff]

so I've always wondered, if you're american, how did you get into following the premier league and football in general? I know lots of people that sit down and watch the game and appreciate it, but few that follow it with such passion and can actually talk about the players.
Personally, I've been playing since I was 4. I really just appreciate a good match, no matter who is playing, but my allegience falls with Liverpool mainly because of my teenage crush on Michael Owen.


I got into the EPL through my little brother the year the Reds won the UEFA cup in 01. I have always been a fan of football, but i was never brought up on it and by the time i was athletic haha:lol :lol i was busy with American football and track.

I am a through and through Liverpool supporter. We have the best fans around the world

YNWA

[eggie24]

I played for a long, long time growing up and have always loved the sport, it truly is the beautiful game.

Ya Reds!! YNWA! :thumbsup

a long, long time? you're 17. dont make me feel old. i love when teenagers can really appreciate the game though.

[TwoStepJeff]

Crouchie is the best! I really love him, but in reality, Kuyt and Torres are the better pairing as far as being able to play off of eachother..

Looks like Chelsea will be getting Malouda, where he is dead set on going, if they can match the price tag that is... Chelsea's 12m offer was rejected, Lyon valuating him at 17m. I hope they don't get him :lol

that hat trick he scored against Arse was just incredible and the goal he had against Gala was the second best goal i have ever seen live. The first was Cisse's goal in the FA Cup Final. Get in Crouchie!!!!

[TwoStepJeff]

a long, long time? you're 17. dont make me feel old. i love when teenagers can really appreciate the game though.

well lets see a teenage crush on mickey owen cant have you being that old;)

[eggie24]

that hat trick he scored against Arse was just incredible and the goal he had against Gala was the second best goal i have ever seen live. The first was Cisse's goal in the FA Cup Final. Get in Crouchie!!!!

it amazes me how some of these guys are amazing in the EPL (crouch, lampard, gerrard) then seemingly suck it up for england in comparison. I'm going through serious withdrawl with no decent footie to watch all weekend long.

[eggie24]

well lets see a teenage crush on mickey owen cant have you being that old;)

im 26. not old, but when he's been playing for a long, long time, and ive been playing for longer than he's been alive, it sure makes me feel old.

[TwoStepJeff]

it amazes me how some of these guys are amazing in the EPL (crouch, lampard, gerrard) then seemingly suck it up for england in comparison. I'm going through serious withdrawl with no decent footie to watch all weekend long.

Crouch is setting the English National team on fire. He is their leading scorer in the last like 12 matches i do believe.

yeah i hate silly season! We are gtting sly sports and setanta next year at school so there will be plenty for me to watch

[eggie24]

Crouch is setting the English National team on fire. He is their leading scorer in the last like 12 matches i do believe.

yeah i hate silly season! We are gtting sly sports and setanta next year at school so there will be plenty for me to watch

I retract my previous statement and correct my oversight in that he sucked it up for liverpool for awhile. A quality player should play well for their club and their country.

edit to say, setanta is great, no fox soccer channel?

[TwoStepJeff]

I retract my previous statement and correct my oversight in that he sucked it up for liverpool for awhile. A quality player should play well for their club and their country.

edit to say, setanta is great, no fox soccer channel?

well and FSC, but i thought that would be a givin haha. Although I just stream any match that i cant get on the telly haha. *pats nerd brother on the back*

[laststraw41]

it amazes me how some of these guys are amazing in the EPL (crouch, lampard, gerrard) then seemingly suck it up for england in comparison. I'm going through serious withdrawl with no decent footie to watch all weekend long.

England wasn't talented enough up top to succeed on a national level. They couldn't compete with players like Toni, Totti, Del Piero, Villa, Torres, Zlatan, Henry, Trezeguet, among others. Rooney is good, but he is still young. They've been struggling in Euro 08 qualification as well.

As much as I love him and hate to say it, it's a pity when Crouchie is your leading scorer on the national level... :shrug

I think Spain is a team with a lot of amazing young talent and will be on top soon, with France also close behind.

Also, is anyone else extremely satisfied by the fact that Shevchenko was amazing in Milan, blew it in the final vs LFC, came to London, and did awfully in the EPL?

[TwoStepJeff]

England wasn't talented enough up top to succeed on a national level. They couldn't compete with players like Toni, Totti, Del Piero, Villa, Torres, Zlatan, Henry, Trezeguet, among others. Rooney is good, but he is still young. They've been struggling in Euro 08 qualification as well.

As much as I love him and hate to say it, it's a pity when Crouchie is your leading scorer on the national level... :shrug

I think Spain is a team with a lot of amazing young talent and will be on top soon, with France also close behind.

Also, is anyone else extremely satisfied by the fact that Shevchenko was amazing in Milan, blew it in the final vs LFC, came to London, and did awfully in the EPL?

Well I think England certainly has the squad to do it, I jsut dont think their coach is the best to lead them forward. I am sure they will qualify for Euro 08 but you are right, the likes of Italy and Spain, even portugal are a class above England.

As for Sheva i am so happy he has pissed out in the EPL as well! Amazing talent but so glad he has choked

[laststraw41]

Well I think England certainly has the squad to do it, I jsut dont think their coach is the best to lead them forward. I am sure they will qualify for Euro 08 but you are right, the likes of Italy and Spain, even portugal are a class above England.

As for Sheva i am so happy he has pissed out in the EPL as well! Amazing talent but so glad he has choked

France as well, they look extremely well right now also. I love Ribery, I can't understand why he and so many others have chosen to go to Munich... They didn't even qualify for Champion's League this year :confused

[TwoStepJeff]

France as well, they look extremely well right now also. I love Ribery, I can't understand why he and so many others have chosen to go to Munich... They didn't even qualify for Champion's League this year :confused

yeah but Munich will shit all over the rest of the Bundesliga with the squad they have right now!

How about Barca. Talk about the team to beat.

[laststraw41]

yeah but Munich will shit all over the rest of the Bundesliga with the squad they have right now!

How about Barca. Talk about the team to beat.

They damn well better win the league with what they've done... If they don't someone is getting sacked.

I hate Barca, I was so happy they didn't win any trophies this year. They are the favorites but I don't see them succeeding, too much talent a la Real for the past few years until this year.

[wooten843]

Tottenham will be in the Top 4 this season, mark my words

[DMBfan41]

Boo to Liverpool and I was just in Denville about 20 minutes ago haha. Right at Indian Lake.

damn, i live like a minute away from there, you shoulda dropped by and said hi, ha!

and Yay Liverpool. After being in Liverpool earlier this year, I fell in love with the team in their fans and the city. Liverpool has two passions, the Beatles and Football. I love it!

[laststraw41]

Tottenham will be in the Top 4 this season, mark my words

Tottenham Jokespurs is more like it.

[laststraw41]

damn, i live like a minute away from there, you shoulda dropped by and said hi, ha!

and Yay Liverpool. After being in Liverpool earlier this year, I fell in love with the team in their fans and the city. Liverpool has two passions, the Beatles and Football. I love it!

Ah that's awesome, so many LFC supporters!

Have you been to Anfield ever?

[DMBfan41]

Ah that's awesome, so many LFC supporters!

Have you been to Anfield ever?

i only saw it from the outside, didn't get to actually go to a game.

I was in England studying abroad and I got to one EPL game, it was Aston Villa vs Arsenal at Villa Park when Arsenal won 1-0. Let me tell you, I was more excited watching an LFC match at a pub then at the Villa game. Arsenal wasn't really impressive either, but Henry was hurt at the time.

But yeah, there's nothing like LFC fans. I used to be a fan of Man U because they were the team that was always on TV in the US, but after visiting Liverpool, just really awesome.

[laststraw41]

i only saw it from the outside, didn't get to actually go to a game.

I was in England studying abroad and I got to one EPL game, it was Aston Villa vs Arsenal at Villa Park when Arsenal won 1-0. Let me tell you, I was more excited watching an LFC match at a pub then at the Villa game. Arsenal wasn't really impressive either, but Henry was hurt at the time.

But yeah, there's nothing like LFC fans. I used to be a fan of Man U because they were the team that was always on TV in the US, but after visiting Liverpool, just really awesome.

That's so awesome, I'm really jealous :lol

And about us LFC fans... as devoted as we may be, UEFA named us the worst in Europe :eek

[DMBfan41]

That's so awesome, I'm really jealous :lol

And about us LFC fans... as devoted as we may be, UEFA named us the worst in Europe :eek

hell no, even on days with no games. Redshirts were still found everywhere.

[TwoStepJeff]

fuck uefa.

platini has hated us ever since he played. what a shit bird. just cause we ruined his dream in rome.

rob have you seen the pics of the new anfield?

oh and as for our fans, i was in vancouver for the final and we sang every single moment of that match.

der der der der der der der der

[laststraw41]

hell no, even on days with no games. Redshirts were still found everywhere.

No no haha. UEFA named LFC fans the worst as in, the worst behaved... :shrug

[laststraw41]

fuck uefa.

platini has hated us ever since he played. what a shit bird. just cause we ruined his dream in rome.

rob have you seen the pics of the new anfield?

oh and as for our fans, i was in vancouver for the final and we sang every single moment of that match.

der der der der der der der der

I've seen some pictures yeah, it looks great, but Stanley Park isn't the same as Anfield :(

[Davenumber40]

I'm a Chelsea supporter. Right now things are looking pretty bleak. I can't imagine what Abramovich could be thinking about getting rid of Mourinho.

I actually didn't think Shevchenko was that bad. You could tell he was a little off with his teammates but he is incredibly creative. Half his passes didn't find their man because no one saw what he did. That said, he wasn't worth the what 60 million? But I think he could be a great second to Drogba. Drogba draws the attention and has the flair, but Shevchenko can play just behind him and provide support.
Chelsea's real problem was the makeshift back four and the weak play of Lampard and Ballack. The Gallas move really hurt this year and Mourinho should have played Germi more at right back.

As for MLS, I think the problem is college soccer. The college game isn't football it's what most Americans think football is- soccer. All the creativity is drained, the game is boring, defensive , and completely useless. I watched UK and IU twice (IU is one of the "best" teams in the country) and it was like watching Liverpool and Chelsea in the champions league.

[Grouty]

Tottenham will be in the Top 4 this season, mark my words

Mark my words, Tottenham fans say this every year and haven't won a major trophy in 30 years (not thats really anything to do with finishing in the top 4 just thought I'd bring it up for the fun of it)

Tottenham Jokespurs is more like it.

:lol:thumbsup

[Davenumber40]

Hargreaves completed his move to Man U. I think it's a great move for them. It should help their back line to have a little support deep in the midfield. It's probably a little more than he's worth as an individual but it's a smart move.

[Grouty]

Lets face it anyone who is English is always ridiculously overpriced.

[laststraw41]

Lets face it anyone who is English is always ridiculously overpriced.

Which explains why so few English leave the EPL. That, and there's just no reason to leave :rolleyes


Oh and, Ballack and Sheva are jokes, seriously.. Get Essien and Kalou in they're in a completely different league.

[Grouty]

Which explains why so few English leave the EPL. That, and there's just no reason to leave :rolleyes


Oh and, Ballack and Sheva are jokes, seriously.. Get Essien and Kalou in they're in a completely different league.

These two plus Drogba are the reason Chelsea are fairly buggered come January and the African Cup of Nations.

Also Drogba = idiot http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/c/chelsea/6258662.stm

[laststraw41]

These two plus Drogba are the reason Chelsea are fairly buggered come January and the African Cup of Nations.

Also Drogba = idiot http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/c/chelsea/6258662.stm

Yeah I was just reading that on Skysports, he's out of his mind.. One because Arsenal is still a quality team and two because Liverpool, once Torres is officially on the team, are just as good as anyone in the world.

[TwoStepJeff]

Is that shampoo?

Non man its cat piss, twice daily.


above is the reason for that amazing hair of his. Twat

[Grouty]

Is that shampoo?

Non man its cat piss, twice daily.


above is the reason for that amazing hair of his. Twat

Pretty much the best post on Ants ever I think.

[TwoStepJeff]

Pretty much the best post on Ants ever I think.

:thumbsup

I seriously hate how talented he is! Feck off to Milan why dont ya haha!

[Grouty]

:thumbsup

I seriously hate how talented he is! Feck off to Milan why dont ya haha!

Exactly, I was really hoping he'd flop at Chelsea so they'd flog him off to another Champions League team where he'd be amazing and come up against Chelsea and knock them uncermoniously from the tournament. Unfortunately, it was not to be :lorraine

[TwoStepJeff]

Exactly, I was really hoping he'd flop at Chelsea so they'd flog him off to another Champions League team where he'd be amazing and come up against Chelsea and knock them uncermoniously from the tournament. Unfortunately, it was not to be :lorraine

you hear about Fat Fwank turning down the contract???? INteresting piece of news right there!

[Grouty]

Yeah, especially as it was offering more than Ballack and Sheva. On top of that Chelsea have said they are stopping with all the ridiculous contracts so could mean that fatty is well and truely out of there. Not that he's anywhere near their best player. Sorry but I don't think he's as quality as most people say. Not so shit that he deserves to get booed when he plays for England just that I don't think he should be in the team. Hargreaves and Gerrard in a diamond in midfield with Beckham and Cole on the wings would suit me nicely.

[TwoStepJeff]

Yeah, especially as it was offering more than Ballack and Sheva. On top of that Chelsea have said they are stopping with all the ridiculous contracts so could mean that fatty is well and truely out of there. Not that he's anywhere near their best player. Sorry but I don't think he's as quality as most people say. Not so shit that he deserves to get booed when he plays for England just that I don't think he should be in the team. Hargreaves and Gerrard in a diamond in midfield with Beckham and Cole on the wings would suit me nicely.

I think he is way way over hyped and the only reason for that hype is that he has played on the high profile team of the past 4 years or so.

i like that mid field, even if Cole is a window licking jamook (cant take credit for that one)

[Grouty]

:lol still good though.

I don't know who I would have partner Rooney upfront though. I have a lot of respect for Owen but it was clear despite two goals against Estonia that he wasn't quite with it.

Hopefully, Arsenal will have some England representatives if only one maybe in the form of Walcott in a few years.

Now a team looking like this

----------------James (hate Robinson)

Neville---Carragher---Terry----Cole (scum)

---------------Hargreaves
Beckham ------------------------Cole
----------------Gerrard

---------Rooney-----------Walcott

:hump :hump

[TwoStepJeff]

looks like a solid team there! Love that you have included Carra. He certainly deserves more caps!

god i was watrching the CL Semi Final the other night, and I realized why i hate Drogba so much. What a cheating bastard he is. Remember the foul on Agger when the ball hit Drogba in the face? Fuck he winds me up haha

[Grouty]

He winds everyone outside of Chelsea up I'm sure of it.

Lehman knows the way to deal with him though, with his little diving incident at Stamford Bridge. One of the funniest footballing things I've seen :lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zu_eodWmHlQ

Lehman cracks me up, and I don't care if most people hate him at least he has a sense of humour (which is something for a German)

[TwoStepJeff]

He winds everyone outside of Chelsea up I'm sure of it.

Lehman knows the way to deal with him though, with his little diving incident at Stamford Bridge. One of the funniest footballing things I've seen :lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zu_eodWmHlQ

Lehman cracks me up, and I don't care if most people hate him at least he has a sense of humour (which is something for a German)


that made me laugh very hard haha

[Grouty]

And while we are on funny videos

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1csQG0ZciFQ

[TwoStepJeff]

hahahaha that is one of the funniest things I have seen in a long long time hahaha, what are the chances!

[laststraw41]

Ugh Lampard is so full of himself, he's awful too is what's funny about it...

[TwoStepJeff]

so whats your EPL all star starting 11

Cech

Finnan Carra Terry Evra
Ronaldo Gerrard Essien/Masch Robjen
Drogba Rooney

for me

[eggie24]

And while we are on funny videos

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1csQG0ZciFQ

:lol still laughing. that totally sucks. :lol

[laststraw41]

so whats your EPL all star starting 11

Cech

Finnan Carra Terry Evra
Ronaldo Gerrard Essien/Masch Robjen
Drogba Rooney

for me

I'd have to say...

Reina
Finnan Carragher Terry Phil Neville
Ronaldo Gerrard Fabregas Arteta (I guess)
Drogba Berbatov

Reina dominated statistically, plus I suppose I'm a bit biased. Didn't like putting Neville or Arteta in there though.. :mad

[TwoStepJeff]

I'd have to say...

Reina

Finnan Carragher Terry Phil Neville

Ronaldo Gerrard Fabregas Arteta (I guess)
Drogba Berbatov

Reina dominated statistically, plus I suppose I'm a bit biased. Didn't like putting Neville or Arteta in there though.. :mad


ewwwwwwwwww arteta haha

[laststraw41]

ewwwwwwwwww arteta haha

I know, I know... but he did have a really good season, and I have a thing for Spanish players too, so.

At least I didn't put in Rooney though! :lol

[TwoStepJeff]

I know, I know... but he did have a really good season, and I have a thing for Spanish players too, so.

At least I didn't put in Blueney though! :lol

more like it ;)

actually here is the starting 11

Carra
Carra Carra Carra Carra
Carra Carra Carra Carra
Carra Carra

we all dream of a team of caraghers a team of caraghers

[Davenumber40]

Cech
Finnan Carragher Terry Heinze
Ronaldo Fabergas Essien Riise
Drogba Rooney

Drogba's diving doesn't bother me as much as Robben's does. At least with Drogba there's usually some contact. Robben looks like he could play for Portugal.

[TwoStepJeff]

this drogba ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZFifXT1N8k

[Davenumber40]

this drogba ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZFifXT1N8k

At least someone touched him. I swear 90% of Robben's dives are complete phantoms. Though, I don't support any diving.

[TwoStepJeff]

At least someone touched him. I swear 90% of Robben's dives are complete phantoms. Though, I don't support any diving.

the touch from Agger was light but yes Robben is a joke, great winger tho unfortunatly

i cant stand divers, disgrace to the game

[aeroshady]

"Thierry Henry's Arsenal exit will ensure a two-horse race for the Premier League title between Manchester United and Chelsea, according to Blues striker Didier Drogba. The Ivorian, whose goals kept Chelsea in the hunt for last season's title, said: 'The exit of Henry to Barcelona is good news for us - it means that there is one less rival in Chelsea's way'."

Without Lampard it should be a Man United horse race! haha

[laststraw41]

"Thierry Henry's Arsenal exit will ensure a two-horse race for the Premier League title between Manchester United and Chelsea, according to Blues striker Didier Drogba. The Ivorian, whose goals kept Chelsea in the hunt for last season's title, said: 'The exit of Henry to Barcelona is good news for us - it means that there is one less rival in Chelsea's way'."

Without Lampard it should be a Man United horse race! haha

Chelsea are better off without Lampard, Ballack and Sheva if you ask me... Overrated and sucking up money. Gerrard makes Lampard look like an absolute amateur.

[Grouty]

Holy Shit!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/a/arsenal/6260864.stm

I have absolutely no idea what to think. Anyone know how good this guy is?

Slightly more appropriate fee rumoured at the bottom of this article

http://home.skysports.com/list.aspx?hlid=474813&CPID=8&clid=3&lid=&title=Eduardo's+Emirates+delight


And other good news

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/a/arsenal/6261314.stm

[TwoStepJeff]

well i havent really head much about him other than he has scored a load of goals... In Croatia haha

although his international record isnt bad

12 GP- 7 goals

104 GP- 73 goals for his Club

not a bad record, but I think we will both agree the EPL is a big step up from Croatia

[Grouty]

I'm just holding hope in the fact that Wenger wouldnt pay any money if he wasn't top class, or could become top class with a bit of Wengers influence.

[TwoStepJeff]

I'm just holding hope in the fact that Wenger wouldnt pay any money if he wasn't top class, or could become top class with a bit of Wengers influence.

he's 24 so it isnt too old. be patient with him though i am sure there will be growing pains in the Prem. I think the other thing to think about is the press surrounding him. He is undoubtably going to be seen as Henry's replacement which will carry a burden all by its self

[whodat]

Nice to see this thread getting some love. Heck, it might even make chat status.

Keep up the good work lads. :thumbsup

[Grouty]

he's 24 so it isnt too old. be patient with him though i am sure there will be growing pains in the Prem. I think the other thing to think about is the press surrounding him. He is undoubtably going to be seen as Henry's replacement which will carry a burden all by its self

Both good points. With either Eduardo de Silva or Adebayor alongside Van Persie possibly, or de Silva and Adebayor upfront with Van Persie out wide it looks like we have a fairly solid base for Bendtner and Walcott to come through gradually into. Going foward we should be solid as always. As long as we iron out the sometimes stupid defensive errors then we are still in contention (despite what Drogba might believe).

[TwoStepJeff]

eh Drogba is drunk off his own ego. Chelsea is and always will be a bought success. Seeing as there last major triump before this spending spree was what 1954.

to me, there are only 3 big teams in the Prem. Liverpool ManUre and Arsenal

[Grouty]

Yeah, I know what you mean.

Like for once I was actually happy (as one can be in that situation) that the Mancs won.

One of my favourite banners I've seen is one at a Chelsea match that said

"You can't buy history"

Ok, maybe the other clubs have been sucessful to some extent because of a larger amount of money but it wasn't immediate sucess but a financial situation bought on by many years of great football and good buisness.

[TwoStepJeff]

Yeah, I know what you mean.

Like for once I was actually happy (as one can be in that situation) that the Mancs won.

One of my favourite banners I've seen is one at a Chelsea match that said

"You can't buy history"

Ok, maybe the other clubs have been sucessful to some extent because of a larger amount of money but it wasn't immediate sucess but a financial situation bought on by many years of great football and good buisness.

Well i cant agree with ya on the Mancs. Fucking hate them out of principle haha! I mean if you look at the Liverpool teams of the 80s for example, they were buying the best players in Europe, but they werent splashing 30 million quid (used for example) on players nor did they have a 300 million pound roster*.

If you look at the mancs, they have several middle range signings that have become WORLD CLASS. Chelski decided to splash big money on already world class players and prayed that they would work.

Oh i have also heard that Liverpool is buying Torres for much less than the 26 million that has been reported.

My fav banner of all time is:

Joe Cole
Is A Window Licking
Jamook

[Grouty]

Interesting about Torres, in the rumour column on BBC Sport they said he wanted a six-year deal worth £31.6 million which is like 100,000 grand a week. The thing is that signing that large are becoming more and more the norm in terms of the Premiership because other clubs see Chelsea splashing out, and Man Utd. admittedly and so they think other big clubs can afford the huge price tags so drive up the price on players not worth what is paid.

I honestly don't think that Torres is worth 26 million for example (sorry), £15-20m is more reasonable I think. Same goes with this de Silva, having a good scoring record in Croatia does not make him worth the alledged £16m (though I think the £8m on skysports is more likely), but because Arsenal came knocking in need of a striker its a good chance to get some extra cash.

On top of that if your English your suddenly worth £5m+ more than your actually worth, which boggles me completely (see Bent)

[TwoStepJeff]

Torres will be getting 90k a week from the report i have. He is taking a pay cut to play for Liverpool.

and he isnt worth 27 million, but that is what the fee is for him to get out of his contract with Atleti.

I just cant believe spurs overpaid for Bent, but hell what does Charlton have to lose? They are playing championship footie next year.:freak Makes sense to sell your best player right?

[whodat]

The price that these players are getting is no different then any American sport. It comes down to what will the market bear. If a player, and selling club, can get the ransom, the it is done. Happens all the time here.

I do agree that is unfortunate that only a few clubs in the Prem can do what is being done, in terms of transfers. It is a double edged sword too. To be able to attract the best players in the world to your league will help you in the major cup competitions. By doing that you bring in more money and a greater appeal to your league, thus drawing even more players to play. Problem being, those new players aren't going to want to play for Sunderland or Villa.

What ever happened to the home grown talent that so many clubs were known for? Is it easier now, with the new economic system, to just buy talent? Sounds like the NY Yankee way of building a team.

[Grouty]

Ah right I see, didn't realise about the clause in his contract about a release fee that makes more sense.

The thing with Tottenham is that they paid £16.5 million for Bent, yet they have a perfectly good (and debatably better) English stiker in the form of Defoe. Also Berbatov is 10x more talented than Bent (well I think so) and yet they feel the need to bring him in. I realise they are trying to sell Defoe but I really don't see the need. If I was a middle of the road team like Tottenham I'd be glad to have Defoe.

[TwoStepJeff]

Well the home grown talent aspect I think it beginning to fade. The problem is (in my mind) is that managers are now being forced to succeed quickly and to do that the youth systems have been englected to some extent.

In top of that, how many home grown lads will make it? I mean Jamie Carragher and Steven Gerrard are exceptions in Liverpools case but for the most part, managers are now going abroad to look for young talent.

as for the other clubs not signing big players, it is tought for them to do so, but not impossible. because the EPL has such a sweet tv deal they all get revenues from that. But like you said, if I had the chance to move to even Tottenham or Sunderland, you better believe i am chosing spurs, because thats where I will play consistent top flight footie

[Grouty]

What ever happened to the home grown talent that so many clubs were known for? Is it easier now, with the new economic system, to just buy talent? Sounds like the NY Yankee way of building a team.

Well I think the thing is with home grown talent, in England especially, is that they simply aren't good enough (on the whole). Very few make it as successful Premiership players. In the lower leagues talent is more home grown and people tend to come through more and if promotion to the Premiership then they tend to become more renowned and successful.

With the bigger teams, the level of home grown talent simply isn't good enough so they have to buy in talent from the continent to compete. The difference is that Arsenal will mould very young talent (around 16 years old) and make them into the great players. Chelsea buy up the moulded talent (18-20 years) and sell off their inferior home grown players to lower leagues.

[Grouty]

Sorry for the double post but I'm so relieved it wasn't £16m

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/a/arsenal/6260864.stm

I think the £16m thing may have been lost in translation somewhat. Possibly, with the other club saying that they have used some of the money they got from Henry, rather than all of it, which lets face it would be a bit much.

[TwoStepJeff]

Sorry for the double post but I'm so relieved it wasn't £16m

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/a/arsenal/6260864.stm

I think the £16m thing may have been lost in translation somewhat. Possibly, with the other club saying that they have used some of the money they got from Henry, rather than all of it, which lets face it would be a bit much.

If its 8 mil, then I think they would have a low risk option. If he fails then its 8 million and you are still in the black from the Henry sale, but if he succeeds Wenger looks like a genius

[aeroshady]

I love the Fox Soccer Channel. I am watching Arsenal Vs. Bolton from 11/25/06. Just like most of the season...no Henry for Arsenal and they trail 1-0 already.

[TwoStepJeff]

I love the Fox Soccer Channel. I am watching Arsenal Vs. Bolton from 11/25/06. Just like most of the season...no Henry for Arsenal and they trail 1-0 already.


I too enjoy the FSC :thumbsup

anyone know if direct tv offers the sky sports package?

[Grouty]

Wenger will always be a genius in my book, but yeah it makes financial sense (of sorts) even if he flops.

I just hate it when people don't appreciate what a great manager Wenger is (and there are some of these people believe it or not). I mean the man made Henry what he is today, brought fantastic football to Arsenal halting the boring Arsenal phase and making them into one of the best teams to watch in the country. He has done a lot for English league football (although some may argue that hes damaged the national side, we've always been mediocre at best so...)

I just don't like it sometimes when people ignore other talent just because they play for or manage another side. I mean even though I think Mourinho is the biggest, most arrogant twat on the planet but I admire his ability to instill such drive into his players and have the balls to make such daring tactical moves that pay off. I appreciate Benitez's tactical genius, which is far better than Wenger's for example. I even admire Ferguson...Jol on the other hand:D

[Grouty]

I love the Fox Soccer Channel. I am watching Arsenal Vs. Bolton from 11/25/06. Just like most of the season...no Henry for Arsenal and they trail 1-0 already.

That was a bad bad game for us. Happily thought we went to the Reebok later in the year in the FA Cup and showed them what we are made of (without Henry I might add) and played some of our best footy all season (Denilson was quality!)

[TwoStepJeff]

Wenger will always be a genius in my book, but yeah it makes financial sense (of sorts) even if he flops.

I just hate it when people don't appreciate what a great manager Wenger is (and there are some of these people believe it or not). I mean the man made Henry what he is today, brought fantastic football to Arsenal halting the boring Arsenal phase and making them into one of the best teams to watch in the country. He has done a lot for English league football (although some may argue that hes damaged the national side, we've always been mediocre at best so...)

I just don't like it sometimes when people ignore other talent just because they play for or manage another side. I mean even though I think Mourinho is the biggest, most arrogant twat on the planet but I admire his ability to instill such drive into his players and have the balls to make such daring tactical moves that pay off. I appreciate Benitez's tactical genius, which is far better than Wenger's for example. I even admire Ferguson...Jol on the other hand:D

Wenger is very good at getting the absolute best out of his players and figuring out when to sell them al la Henry (may sting I know).

Maureen is a moaning twat who wants the attention on him 24 hours a day. He is the most classless shit brick ever.

Jol, Fat Sam and now Keane get on my nerves as well but not nearly as much as Jose. Cant stand the fucker haha

As for Rafa, I think his tactical genius is top notch, but I think he tends to play too conservatively at times. Tactical footie will win the CL for you, but gets you 3rd in the Prem in my opinion

[Grouty]

Wenger is very good at getting the absolute best out of his players and figuring out when to sell them al la Henry (may sting I know).

Maureen is a moaning twat who wants the attention on him 24 hours a day. He is the most classless shit brick ever.

Jol, Fat Sam and now Keane get on my nerves as well but not nearly as much as Jose. Cant stand the fucker haha

As for Rafa, I think his tactical genius is top notch, but I think he tends to play too conservatively at times. Tactical footie will win the CL for you, but gets you 3rd in the Prem in my opinion

I'd like to point out it was third on goal difference:(. Lack of Plan B going foward/some defensive frailties and rotten luck in a two week period of losing/going out of 3 competitions cost us badly

All of Tottenham piss me off to a certain extent, for obvious reasons.

Fat Sam pisses me off because of the style of football he plays. It's like the polar opposite of Arsenal. Thats why I think Newcastle will manage no better than Bolton ever did this year, at best.

Classless shit brick is about right with Mourinho.

[whodat]

I love the Fox Soccer Channel. I am watching Arsenal Vs. Bolton from 11/25/06. Just like most of the season...no Henry for Arsenal and they trail 1-0 already.

If it wasn't for FSC, I would now what to do. ESPN only shows what they have to, and they never have reports like the Fox Soccer Report of SkySports.

Viva la FSC!!!

[TwoStepJeff]

well the 3rd was just in general. Didnt mean to slate Arsenal, although they had some bad luck and we just put more in the back of the net ;)

yeah the barcodes will do no better imo, butmayeb a healthy owen (assuming he stays) will help them out

[Grouty]

Nah, I know you didn't mean to slate Arsenal, just messing. Though putting more in the back of the net used to be our thing. I was hoping for three succsessive seasons with 7-0 victories at home but it wasn't to be it seems :lol

Yeah Owen is a big factor. Them going for Gudjohnson is a bit worrying cause he's a quality player, considering he came from the scummy Blues. Hopefully, he'll do a Dunn and not shine as much as he did at Chelsea (and Barca).

[TwoStepJeff]

oi seeing that bleach blonde twat back in the EPL sucks to think about as he is quality, but with Barca's attacking options, no way he gets regular time

[laststraw41]

Reports on Spanish public TV channel saying that the Torres deal is as good as done.

http://home.skysports.com/list.aspx?hlid=474780&CPID=8&clid=8&lid=2&title=Robben+'on+way'+to+Real

Robben moving to Madrid too it looks like.

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=442777&cc=5901

Looks as though Kaka might be headed that way too.

[Grouty]

According to Gudjohnson's agent (also his dad funnily enough, which kinda says it all) reckons he can challenge for a place easily as he would compliment Henry well.

Yeah cause Messi, Ronaldinho, Eto'o etc. would be shit with Henry:rolleyes

[TwoStepJeff]

Reports on Spanish public TV channel saying that the Torres deal is as good as done.

http://home.skysports.com/list.aspx?hlid=474780&CPID=8&clid=8&lid=2&title=Robben+'on+way'+to+Real

Robben moving to Madrid too it looks like.

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=442777&cc=5901


Looks as though Kaka might be headed that way too.

bye bye Robben ya cheating twat as for Kaka there is no way he moves to Madrid. Why Kaka? Why????

According to Gudjohnson's agent (also his dad funnily enough, which kinda says it all) reckons he can challenge for a place easily as he would compliment Henry well.

Yeah cause Messi, Ronaldinho, Eto'o etc. would be shit with Henry:rolleyes

yeah come on dude get a grip and come back to play mid table football. oi vey

[laststraw41]

bye bye Robben ya cheating twat as for Kaka there is no way he moves to Madrid. Why Kaka? Why????



yeah come on dude get a grip and come back to play mid table football. oi vey

I don't know whether or not the Kaka rumors are true, but I do love him as a player... Come to Anfield Kaka!!! :D

Gudjohnsen is a clown, not much more to it... The guy would do well to get out of Barca and go somewhere he can play.

[TwoStepJeff]

I don't know whether or not the Kaka rumors are true, but I do love him as a player... Come to Anfield Kaka!!! :D

Gudjohnsen is a clown, not much more to it... The guy would do well to get out of Barca and go somewhere he can play.

haha pipe dreams;)

agree with gudjohnsen tho, he is spinning his wheels at barca.

so whats your formation for the reds next year?

4-4-2

3-5-2??

[laststraw41]

haha pipe dreams;)

agree with gudjohnsen tho, he is spinning his wheels at barca.

so whats your formation for the reds next year?

4-4-2

3-5-2??

Either could work, I'd say a 3-5-2 if we can bring in a class winger, but then Masch, Momo, and Xabi would all have to fight for their spot between the wings and the back line.

[aeroshady]

Boy Canada sucks at Futball haha

[laststraw41]

Boy Canada sucks at Futball haha

Stalteri :rolleyes

[aeroshady]

Chelsea Vs. Bolton from 11/29/06 is on Fox Soccer Channel.

[laststraw41]

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/drilldown/N156273070703-1828.htm

Torres passes medical, expected to sign tomorrow.

YNWA!!!!!!!!!!!

[Grouty]

Chelsea Vs. Bolton from 11/29/06 is on Fox Soccer Channel.

Sounds like I would get fuck all done if I had access to that channel.

[aeroshady]

Sounds like I would get fuck all done if I had access to that channel.

yeah its a sweet channel. Between that channel and the Spanish soccer channel I have Soccer/Futball on 24/7 pretty much!

[Grouty]

Ah man. I'm going through my football withdrawl period at the moment with transfer news and games of Pro Evo keeping me going til the season starts again. Can't wait til my weekends consist of Saturday morning play for school team, go home wait for afternoon games to start, watch the scores coming in then waiting for the highlights on Match of the Day in the evening before playing for my club on Sunday...oh and training for my club mid-week as well as football in P.E lessons midweek, and next year even more games for the school on Wednesdays.

Good shit.

[Richard Belding]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06S5zUGeg4w


first of all, most ridiculous performance of all time.

second of all, i wish it was as clear as when i first saw it on tv but i'm convinced the guy rockin out at 2:50 is john terry. has to be

[aeroshady]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06S5zUGeg4w


first of all, most ridiculous performance of all time.

second of all, i wish it was as clear as when i first saw it on tv but i'm convinced the guy rockin out at 2:50 is john terry. has to be

Random, it was good. Not the most ridiculous though.

[Grouty]

Seems the signing of Torres is all done and dusted

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/europe/6239286.stm

Lucky Liverpool.

Not that I'm not happy about Eduardo da Silva

[laststraw41]

I'm absolutely ecstatic right now.

[Grouty]

I'm kinda apprehensive and impatient. Not sure if Eduardo will turn out to be any good, but can't wait to see him in action.

Hopefully he'll play at the Emirates Cup (cause I'm going! :hump)

[wooten843]

What's everyones top 6 predictions for next year?

Here's mine:

1. Man Utd
2. Liverpool
3. Chelsea
4. Tottenham
5. Arsenal
6. Newcastle

[Grouty]

1. Man Utd
2. Arsenal (no shame in being optimistic)
3. Liverpool
4. Chelsea (again with the optimism)
5. Tottenham
6. Everton.

[laststraw41]

I agree with Tim's list, but I'm inclined to swap LFC and the Mancs... But I'm biased.

[aeroshady]

1. Chelsea
2. Man Utd.
3. Liverpool
4. Everton
5. Arsenal

Thats what I think. I hope Manchester United wins it again though.

[laststraw41]

Chelsea have a better chance of getting relegated than of winning the title as far as I'm concerned.

[aeroshady]

Robinho is really stealing the show in the Copa America this year.

[TwoStepJeff]

Hello gents, been away for a little bit. Got a concussion wake boarding yesterday so haven't been at full strength.

I am all fecking smiles about Torres. The fact that we got him for 20.3 million quid is a steal,we can still sell him for a near profit if he doesnt work out AND he is being considered the best signing of the Prem this closed season.

and is anyone else a little miffed at Man U going for tevez haha surely he and Rooney cant create a decent strike force as they are nearly the same player??

[Grouty]

Welcome back. Hope your feelin better.

You getting Torres for £20.3m is really good compared to the £26m original price tag. Without a doubt it is the best signing so far. It will continue to be as well even in Utd. sign Tevez, which yeah your right seems a bit strange as he is very similar to Tevez. Other Man Utd. fans were apparently expecting more of an out and out striker, which I agree would have been more appropriate.

In other news I am now a proud owner of Arsenals new away kit.

[TwoStepJeff]

Nice work on the Arsenal kit!

I am having an internal debate on which kit i am gonna get. I may go for the 3rd strip as it looks sweet.

Then the debate continues as to which player goes on the shirt.

Another thing about Tevez... what has he done to deserve a 20 million fee? Surely 7 goals in the league doesnt qualify you for that

[wooten843]

lets just say man utd is gonna be sick and me saying that makes me sick

[Grouty]

Nice work on the Arsenal kit!

I am having an internal debate on which kit i am gonna get. I may go for the 3rd strip as it looks sweet.

Then the debate continues as to which player goes on the shirt.

Another thing about Tevez... what has he done to deserve a 20 million fee? Surely 7 goals in the league doesnt qualify you for that

I like Liverpools new kits, the 3rd kit especially looks pretty decent though I like the white as well, luckily I don't have to pick.

I'm not sure about the £20m fee either. I mean sure he's a quality player and has proven he can score goals (albeit after a while) but he hasn't shown it over a prolonged period at all so I would have thought he his fee would be lower. But then if it was any lower than Darren Bent's it'd be a bit of a piss take:rolleyes

[woodbrook745]

i gotta agree with tims list as well, and as a liverpool fan myself, i was excited to hear rumours of a possible daniel alves and heinze grab, however there have been no transfers between man u and the reds since 1964.

[TwoStepJeff]

i gotta agree with tims list as well, and as a liverpool fan myself, i was excited to hear rumours of a possible daniel alves and heinze grab, however there have been no transfers between man u and the reds since 1964.

I think our time has come and gone for Alves unfortunatly. He is an exceptional RB but we also have Finnan and Arbeloa to work back there. I dont know how I feel about Heinze.... i think he is a good player but again arbeloacan play on the left as well.

I would be content with one more major purchase ie Quersma Mancini et al. We have signed plenty of youth that will be able to help the first team (hopefully) in a few years when the contracts of Xabi, Carra, Stevie etc come to a close

[Grouty]

Sorry, I know I said Arsenal would come second, which I'm well aware is pretty farfetched (because I was semi-joking its far more likely they'll finish third or fourth), but the people who said Arsenal will finish outside the top 4 really need to give me some good reasons for why they think that.

And Henry leaving isn't a good reason.

Sorry, if I sound like a twat but I'm not gonna sit here and have my club shat on with all these 5th place predictions.

[devilandthelord]

Crazy soccer hooligans!

I don't really know much about soccer, although I did watch quite a bit of the last World Cup, but that was mostly due to the fact that it was broadcast in HD. Still I enjoyed it some, no lie.

I checked out that P Diddy performance that Belding posted, and I am still convinced that man is Garbage, with a capital G.

[laststraw41]

I think our time has come and gone for Alves unfortunatly. He is an exceptional RB but we also have Finnan and Arbeloa to work back there. I dont know how I feel about Heinze.... i think he is a good player but again arbeloacan play on the left as well.

I would be content with one more major purchase ie Quersma Mancini et al. We have signed plenty of youth that will be able to help the first team (hopefully) in a few years when the contracts of Xabi, Carra, Stevie etc come to a close


I'd love for us to get Quaresma, I'm a big fan of his.

I'm going to order a Torres 9 jersey soon, I'm debating if I want a red or white for it though.

[wooten843]

i gotta agree with tims list as well, and as a liverpool fan myself, i was excited to hear rumours of a possible daniel alves and heinze grab, however there have been no transfers between man u and the reds since 1964.

Welcome to Ants WoodBrook!

[TwoStepJeff]

I'd love for us to get Quaresma, I'm a big fan of his.

I'm going to order a Torres 9 jersey soon, I'm debating if I want a red or white for it though.

looks like we bid like 13.2 million for him and Porto turned it down, but would consider a better offer.

I am gonna wo with white or the black one. Already have me a red crouchamania kit

[wooten843]

There's so much top 4 love in this thread, anyone on here not like anyone in the top 4?

[TwoStepJeff]

i would like to know how many people supported chelsea before Roman bought them....

[Grouty]

I know what you mean. Its ridiculous the amount of kids that have sprung up over here that walk round in Chelsea kits since he took over.

I tend to respect people more (in a footballing sense) if they have a decent reason to have started supporting a team.

[dmbigeyedphish]

There's so much top 4 love in this thread, anyone on here not like anyone in the top 4?

I cheered for Everton all last season. I love Arteta and Johnson.:thumbsup

[TwoStepJeff]

I know what you mean. Its ridiculous the amount of kids that have sprung up over here that walk round in Chelsea kits since he took over.

I tend to respect people more (in a footballing sense) if they have a decent reason to have started supporting a team.


In all honesty tho, it is easy as a young lad to support a team known with winning. Not this guy haha I have been a supporter of Seattle sports teams throught the thick and thin.

As for Americans, it is even more easy to support a team like Man U, Chelsea, Arsenal and now even Liverpool because they are marketed much more over here than other clubs. Football is now a business as well as entertainment.

You know, most people who are man u fans over here couldnt tell you how many FA Cups they have won, or even their League Record. Nor can they tell you Liverpool's record in such competitions.

[TwoStepJeff]

I cheered for Everton all last season. I love Arteta and Johnson.:thumbsup


oh noooooooo Blueshite Blueshite ;)

hey at least they made European footy this year

[dmbigeyedphish]

oh noooooooo Blueshite Blueshite ;)

hey at least they made European footy this year

haha, I know! It was refreshing to see a team, that plays like a team, without having to wear out their bank account to acquire mega-superstars.

[wooten843]

ive been a tottenham fan since i was 9 because they had the cheapest jersey so my mom bought me that one and it blossomed into a love for the team

[TwoStepJeff]

haha, I know! It was refreshing to see a team, that plays like a team, without having to wear out their bank account to acquire mega-superstars.

wear their bank account out? surely you are talking of the top 4?

just to remind ya, LFC for got over20 million quid for their their champions league run, more money for the TV deal so in reality, they havent had to dip into their owners pockets at all yet

[dmbigeyedphish]

wear their bank account out? surely you are talking of the top 4?

just to remind ya, LFC for got over20 million quid for their their champions league run, more money for the TV deal so in reality, they havent had to dip into their owners pockets at all yet

Wow really? I was referring to Chelsea...they strike me as the yankees of the EPL.

[dmbigeyedphish]

wear their bank account out? surely you are talking of the top 4?

just to remind ya, LFC for got over20 million quid for their their champions league run, more money for the TV deal so in reality, they havent had to dip into their owners pockets at all yet

And by the way, Gerrard is one of my heroes. Ha.

[TwoStepJeff]

Wow really? I was referring to Chelsea...they strike me as the yankees of the EPL.

that is who i figured you were talking about, jhust threw it out there!

there is no excuse for Chelsea's spree. I mean it is just sad to see that they have bought two titles. And lets face it, they didnt amass that squad to just win the Prem/FA Cup/Carling Cup... Jose and Roman want ol Big Ears

[Grouty]

And by the way, Gerrard is one of my heroes. Ha.

Don't let any other Everton (or Liverpool fans for that matter) see that :lol

[JohnK86]

WTF? Americans talking about soccer???

[TwoStepJeff]

And by the way, Gerrard is one of my heroes. Ha.

i am really just bustin some balls ;)

[TwoStepJeff]

WTF? Americans talking about soccer???

yup Americans and 1 English lad talkin footy.. nothing to see here

[JohnK86]

BTW, Peter Crouch is the worst player ever.

[TwoStepJeff]

BTW, Peter Crouch is the worst player ever.

How dare you cross Crouchamania! He is not the worst player ever no chance

[Grouty]

that is who i figured you were talking about, jhust threw it out there!

there is no excuse for Chelsea's spree. I mean it is just sad to see that they have bought two titles. And lets face it, they didnt amass that squad to just win the Prem/FA Cup/Carling Cup... Jose and Roman want ol Big Ears

I'd love to see them not win it at all.

Of course I'd rather see Arsenal win something first though. A couple of seasons without anything seems like a long time for an Arsenal fan these days.:lol

[Grouty]

BTW, Peter Crouch is the worst player ever.

Clearly you've never seen Pascal Cygan then (Arsenal legend by the way)

[JohnK86]

How dare you cross Crouchamania! He is not the worst player ever no chan