Fantasy Tour FAQ (2007 Tour)

[Minarets#40]

PLAYOFFS!!

the regular season ends on 9.25.07 (instead of 9.26 like before)

the winner of each league goes on (10 teams), plus there are 6 Wild Card spots, so the 6 highest scorers who didn't win their league go on as well. (so 16 total teams)

points reset.

the 8 with the highest score after the 9.26 show move on to the Elite Eight

the 4 with the highest score after the 9.28 show move on to the Final Four

the 2 with the highest score after the 9.29 show move on to the Finals

there's then a 2 show playoff (the hollywood bowl) - at the end of those two shows the winner is the overall champion


Tie Breakers - in order of priority:

1. player who's made the fewest trades through the tour
2. player who had more songs played at the most recent show (like, a 2 and a 3 point song for player A would beat just one 5 point song for player B)
3. player who had more points during the regular season
4. players who won their league beat out the wild cards

I doubt we'll get too far down that list, but I think they should be there just in case.



Many of the same questions have been asked by multiple people, so I'm making this thread as a sort of FAQ for the DMBFL. If you have more questions that you'd like asked, please post them below and I'll be sure to answer them.

How do the points work for Still Water?
We consider Still Water to be a full song if the Road Page setlist calls it one. (Still Water) does not count. If it's a full song, then it counts as "Cover Song" and will receive points accordingly. The only catch is, if there is a Still Water > DDTW opener (this segue only), then Cover Song does not receive the extra point for being an opener, and DDTW gets the opener point.
- The reasoning for that is based on a post that Jantz made prior to the draft saying that Still Water wouldn't receive this opener point. Check the Fantasy Tour Discussion thread to see how this came about if you're curious.

How many points are the different groups worth?
Songs receive points based on what group they are in, and they have the ability to earn an extra point based on where in the set they are played. To be considered a "spot" a song must open a show, close a set, or close an encore. If a song is played in the e1 position it does NOT receive credit for a spot. This said, the point scoring for each group is:
Group A - 1 played, 2 spot
Group B - 2 played, 3 spot
Group C - 3 played, 4 spot
Group D - 5 played, 5 spot

What group is Cornbread in?
Cornbread is in Group C. Originally it was placed in Group D, but in an effort to keep the leagues competitive, we have decided to move it into Group C for thre rest of the tour. People who had the song while it was still a Group D song can keep the points they earned previously, but as of the 8.14 show Cornbread has moved into Group C.

How do I request a trade?
There is only one place to request a trade - the Waiver Request thread. It is crucially important that you post in that thread what trade you'd like to make. If there is no post in that thread, then you have NOT requested a trade yet. If you PM your league mod, it doesn't count. If you post in your league thread, it doesn't count. We do this so that it's easy to keep track of who's requesting what, and we don't have issues with people claiming that they requested a song first. League mods will try to periodically let you know what songs are still available in our league.
Link to Waiver Request thread (http://www.antsmarching.org/forum/showthread.php?t=195044)

Can I request new songs like #27?
No. Any song that made it's debut after the draft (6.12.07) can not be picked up. However, songs such as Cornbread and Eh Hee, which were played before the draft and were known songs at the time are available.

Some songs weren't on the song list for the draft, so why can we pick them up?
When we had the draft, there were a few songs that were not on the original song list. Why? Well, we forgot to put them there. However, during the draft there were a few people who requested songs that weren't on the list, and we allowed them to pick them up (YNK, Spotlight). The mods will determine what group each song goes into if it's not yet assigned.
List of all songs currently on Song List (http://www.antsmarching.org/forum/showpost.php?p=6461162&postcount=385)




One more thing I'd like to accomplish with this thread is this: We have constantly been trying to come up with new ways to improve the DMB Fantasy Tour. Below are some of the things we are thinking of doing differently next year. If you have some more suggestions, please share them!

- We will develop a formula to determine which group songs belong in well in advance of the draft, and will create a preliminary song list. Then we'll post that list for everyone to see, and we'll ask everyone to look through for any blaring problems or songs that we're forgetting. Then we'll certify a song list before the draft, and then no more changes can happen to it for the whole tour.

- We are working on a policy for the New Songs (a la #27, Falling Off the Roof, etc.). One idea that I think might work is that people can request during the draft the rights to a new song once it debuts. Then new songs can be worth the same value as Group A songs. Other ideas are of course welcome.

- I'm thinking we might do away with the "Everyone MUST have a Group A song, and we'll maybe include more songs in Group A, so that people don't get stuck with a song all year that they can't trade. There may be a bit of a problem with that though because then there will be songs that no one has that are earning points. We'll work on that too.

- A new way to earn a bonus point on your song - if there's a guest on it! If there's a guest (other than Butch/Rashawn) you'd earn an extra point!

Newest idea for how to structure groups next year - give your opinion!

What if there were 3 Groups...

Group A - 2 points if it was drafted, 1 if picked up later
Group B - 3 if drafted, 2 if picked up
Group C - 5 if drafted, 2 if picked up

then you get +1 point for a spot, and +1 point for a guest

The songs in group C would be songs not played in the past 2 years during a regular tour (06 DMB Summer, 07 D&T)
Group A would be the most played half of those that were played, and Group B the less played half that were played.

Songs that would be available for the draft would be those that debuted before the end of the last tour (so songs that debut after the Hollywood Bowl would not be available in future tours. that way, we can get some kind of gauge on how often the songs will be played, so we don't end up with another Cornbread)

I kind of like that idea... tell me what you think...

and we could incorporate the idea of having people pick up songs on a weekly basis, with low point scorers getting priority

[WiseManSay]

I think your still over looking the most important flaw...

With the way things currently run, the winners of each league will be determined by who is on this site the most.

Cause in point, Cornbread.

Personally, that turns me off. Why bother 'having fun' if things change so constantly that it's not even competitive for 80% of the people?

[Minarets#40]

I think your still over looking the most important flaw...

With the way things currently run, the winners of each league will be determined by who is on this site the most.

Cause in point, Cornbread.

Personally, that turns me off. Why bother 'having fun' if things change so constantly that it's not even competitive for 80% of the people?
suggestion to remedy this problem?

[JamesM]

I had the same thought for the guest/point deal. And i think New Song should be another choice just like Cover Song is a choice

[VanHorneDog]

personally i think there shouldnt be poitns for the new songs just "new song" and even then its sketchy.

why? becuase they are wild cards that pay out huge on their first year. its not like we have the studio album out already and can guess which songs they will play more. i mean say i pick up "run while you can" the night it comes out and they play it every night from then on. its just like hunger but gets me a billion points. which to somebody like me who has had 6/7 songs played and at least one a night with a lot of openers and closers im way behind simply becuase of "cover song" and "new song" or the people who are on here every day checking and updating.

in some ways this is a lot like regular fantasy, however the big flaw is that the playoff system is going to fuck everything up with the "waiver" stuff.

[Semper454]

suggestion to remedy this problem?

I would say to run it like a lot of fantasy baseball leagues, where you set your lineup weekly. Whatever songs were on your roster say at the end of Sunday night are the songs you have for the following week. Any song additions during that week won't count until the following Sunday night when your song lineup resets.

[DMBfan41]

Here's my ideas so that I'm just not the leader of the complaints.

1. The songs are put in groups based on their performance last year. This is the main problem with the points this year. Gravedigger and So Damn Lucky are 2 points for some ungodly reason, yet Some Devil is 5. Yet none of them were done the tour before. Group A instead of being the most played songs will be the Opener/Closer group. Yes everyone must have one. So if there are 10 Songs.

So Group A accordingly to last year would be
Ants Marching
Sister
Stay
PNP>Rapunzel
Louisiana Bayou
One Sweet World
Everyday
Two Step
Tripping Billies
Don't Drink The Water

They're all one point, you get an extra if opens, closes the set, or closes the encore. And sure a bonus point if there is a guest.

Group B Would Be The Top 15 Songs that were performed besides the ones in group A

Group C Would Be The Rest Of The Songs Performed On The Rest Tour

Group D Would Be Songs That Were Not Performed On The Tour

There is no cover song or new song. Everyone in the league has one chance to pick a debut song. So say everyone has their "Right To A New Song" It is first come, first serve. Because if you want to do good in the league, you should be on the website. So this year, if someone picks #27, they can't pick another new song for the rest of the tour. Someone picks Cornbread, they use their right. You can get your right back if you drop the new song that you have.

So, I'll say it again.
1. Change The point system
2. Everyone Has The New Song Option
3. Bonus Points For Guests
4. No Cover Song, No New Song
5. BE ON THE SITE IF YOU WANT TO DO GOOD

[WiseManSay]

suggestion to remedy this problem?

I would say to run it like a lot of fantasy baseball leagues, where you set your lineup weekly. Whatever songs were on your roster say at the end of Sunday night are the songs you have for the following week. Any song additions during that week won't count until the following Sunday night when your song lineup resets.

This is a good suggestion. I would lean more to once to twice a month but that is up to the majority to decide. Mainly though, it gives everyone a fair chance to pick up and drop songs fairly. It obvious that people who can get their hands on soundchecks and be active on Ants all day and night have a HUGE advantage.

You may think I'm just bitching but it's actually the opposite. It's my understanding that this pool is suppose to fun and social. Having people who do nothing but live and breathe DMB (or should I say people who don't have a job) run the game is kinda stupid. It should be competitive for everyone.

ALSO, I think the song catagories should be reevlavuated. I'm not sure why Two Step is getting 4+ when it was clearly going to be played a lot. And throwing Cornbread in as rarity (Group D C whatever, still too much) after the fact that it had been played full band for a couple of shows is just stupid. However it's done ,I think next year it should be posted early and people can comment on it.

[maya]

This is a good suggestion. I would lean more to once to twice a month but that is up to the majority to decide. Mainly though, it gives everyone a fair chance to pick up and drop songs fairly. It obvious that people who can get their hands on soundchecks and be active on Ants all day and night have a HUGE advantage.

You may think I'm just bitching but it's actually the opposite. It's my understanding that this pool is suppose to fun and social. Having people who do nothing but live and breathe DMB (or should I say people who don't have a job) run the game is kinda stupid. It should be competitive for everyone.

ALSO, I think the song catagories should be reevlavuated. I'm not sure why Two Step is getting 4+ when it was clearly going to be played a lot. And throwing Cornbread in as rarity (Group D C whatever, still too much) after the fact that it had been played full band for a couple of shows is just stupid. However it's done ,I think next year it should be posted early and people can comment on it.

I just want to point out that i have a job, and that i do moderate. I also do this during your time period. I go out of my way to be on here to help and and to play the game. I'm not having a go at you, but that cheesed me off a little

[bradshaw06]

I just want to point out that i have a job, and that i do moderate. I also do this during your time period. I go out of my way to be on here to help and and to play the game. I'm not having a go at you, but that cheesed me off a little

im not gonna lie, that comment made me a little angry also.

[maya]

im not gonna lie, that comment made me a little angry also.

I'm thinking that maybe next year it should be clear that this is a time consuming ordeal and that if you are not interested in checking on the forum then you have no right to complain about other people who do.

That sounds harsh, but i'm just a little bit miffed watching all these people complain because 'its not fun'

[bradshaw06]

I'm thinking that maybe next year it should be clear that this is a time consuming ordeal and that if you are not interested in checking on the forum then you have no right to complain about other people who do.

That sounds harsh, but i'm just a little bit miffed watching all these people complain because 'its not fun'

people need to understand that people (you and john especially) have put alot of hard work into this thing to make it run smoothly. to hear people complain about it who are only on once in a blue moon is a real slap in the face

[maya]

people need to understand that people (you and john especially) have put alot of hard work into this thing to make it run smoothly. to hear people complain about it who are only on once in a blue moon is a real slap in the face

John especially, considering he took this over fully because Jantz has been really busy.

I mean dont get me wrong constructive criticism is healthy and it will make this better, and i think Jared's idea of having only 1 new song trade is brilliant, but i'm finding alot of the criticism hostile for no reason.

[Minarets#40]

people need to understand that people (you and john especially) have put alot of hard work into this thing to make it run smoothly. to hear people complain about it who are only on once in a blue moon is a real slap in the face
I recognize that I'm on ants a LOT more than most people, and more than most people who are in the Fantasy League. I think one of the big draws of the fantasy league is that people DON'T have to sit at their computer all day every day to still compete and have fun. That's sort of like the Setlist Game, where people have to do a new one every night and pay really close attention to the game.

I agree to an extent that it shouldn't be the people who are on ants the most who necessarily win, because that IS a big turnoff to a lot of people. I do agree with Brad however that it is a bit of a slap in the face for people who are only on ants very rarely to complain, but I can't really blame them. I think there are some problems with the general organization of the league as it is, but there's a hell of a lot that's right about it. I think it has HUGE potential to be a fun way for fans to interact and enjoy the tour.

This is the first year. Things aren't perfect. But, as you can tell from this thread even existing, I'm very dedicated to finding out what works and what doesn't, and doing whatever I can to fix that.

The obvious thing to fix is that the songs that the band pulls out mid-tour that are generally rare become huge point scorers, and the quickest on the draw get them. I just thought of another possibility too that might work... We might be able to work something like this:
If a song is drafted before it's been played on the tour (and maybe including whether it's known to have been soundchecked) it'll be worth full points, but once it's been played already, people who draft it only earn a fraction of the points for it. That ovbiously would need to be fully explored and discussed before it could be effective, but it would still reward people who really picked out winner songs, while preventing people who see it played from scoring big points. - maybe you like it, maybe you don't. I'd like to hear opinions on it though.

I'll take responsibility for not working out some of the flaws before the tour starts, but I'd like to assure everyone not to lose hope and skip out on future tours. I think this tour still has a LOT of promise, and I guarantee you that future tours WILL be awesome.

Now let's all go enjoy some DMB! :hump

[maya]

Can i also just say that the website is going to handle trades really simply.... :D thought i'd pimp out the soon to be unleashed dmb fantasy tour website.

[WiseManSay]

I just want to point out that i have a job, and that i do moderate. I also do this during your time period. I go out of my way to be on here to help and and to play the game. I'm not having a go at you, but that cheesed me off a little

im not gonna lie, that comment made me a little angry also.

I'm thinking that maybe next year it should be clear that this is a time consuming ordeal and that if you are not interested in checking on the forum then you have no right to complain about other people who do.

That sounds harsh, but i'm just a little bit miffed watching all these people complain because 'its not fun'

people need to understand that people (you and john especially) have put alot of hard work into this thing to make it run smoothly. to hear people complain about it who are only on once in a blue moon is a real slap in the face

Sorry guys. I didn't mean it as a personal attack but I was trying to prove the extreme side of the point I was trying to make. There has to be some kind of rule that is fair to everyone (considering timelime) for pick-ups and drops. Right now, it can be done at any point all day long. There are ALOT of people who can't compete with this. It doesn't even matter how often you're on either, if you miss an important night and someone switches their songs then you're going to be way behind. It's just too loose. It seems too competitive this way. In my mind taking all the fun out of it.

And I'm not sure if some of your points were directed towards me, but I'm on here enough for my point to stand. It's not like people haven't been involved since the draft, but they can't be on every night watching the setlists.

By the way, I do appreciate what the mods and organizers have done. Really I do. Don't take it the wrong way. I do however think it would make life easier on them too if you don't have to be involved EVERY night just to make things happen.

Really it depends on what type of league you're planning on running. Maya, if you think it's best to tell people that "the game is very time consuming and if you can't deal with it or keep up, don't complain" then fine. Maybe I misinterpreted the meaning of the pool.

[maya]

Really it depends on what type of league you're planning on running. Maya, if you think it's best to tell people that "the game is very time consuming and if you can't deal with it or keep up, don't complain" then fine. Maybe I misinterpreted the meaning of the pool.

I think i came across as a wee bit dramatic too :lol We are all a little too hopped up for our own good. Which is good, because we all care about where this is going.

What i was meaning to say is that its not a game you can just go "eh, i don't feel like playing you today"

[WiseManSay]

I think i came across as a wee bit dramatic too :lol We are all a little too hopped up for our own good. Which is good, because we all care about where this is going.

What i was meaning to say is that its not a game you can just go "eh, i don't feel like playing you today"

That's cool I understand that. We're on the same page. I think some ground rules for changes would help out. That way more people are interested for longer. It's kinda shitty that we're 3 weeks in and 80% of the people can't even come close to competing anymore.

Anyways, that's the major flaw I'm seeing.

[bradshaw06]

Sorry guys. I didn't mean it as a personal attack but I was trying to prove the extreme side of the point I was trying to make. There has to be some kind of rule that is fair to everyone (considering timelime) for pick-ups and drops. Right now, it can be done at any point all day long. There are ALOT of people who can't compete with this. It doesn't even matter how often you're on either, if you miss an important night and someone switches their songs then you're going to be way behind. It's just too loose. It seems too competitive this way. In my mind taking all the fun out of it.

And I'm not sure if some of your points were directed towards me, but I'm on here enough for my point to stand. It's not like people haven't been involved since the draft, but they can't be on every night watching the setlists.

By the way, I do appreciate what the mods and organizers have done. Really I do. Don't take it the wrong way. I do however think it would make life easier on them too if you don't have to be involved EVERY night just to make things happen.

Really it depends on what type of league you're planning on running. Maya, if you think it's best to tell people that "the game is very time consuming and if you can't deal with it or keep up, don't complain" then fine. Maybe I misinterpreted the meaning of the pool.

hey man no hard feelings, and you do have a good point. it is somthing that we will look at and probably address for the next tour. we want to make this as fun as possible for everyone

[Semper454]

My suggestion about doing it weekly, fantasy baseball style, I think is still pretty fair, but the fact of the matter is, fantasy leagues, whether it's baseball, football, or whatever, are won by the people who pay the most attention. That's what it comes down to. You can't expect to check up on everything once a week and be successful.

[broatchg]

My suggestion about doing it weekly, fantasy baseball style, I think is still pretty fair, but the fact of the matter is, fantasy leagues, whether it's baseball, football, or whatever, are won by the people who pay the most attention. That's what it comes down to. You can't expect to check up on everything once a week and be successful.

I do frequent these boards a lot and pay attention to the sets and was quick enough to pick up cornbread which has been huge but I think the draft was more important rather then just adding/dropping songs. I have 6 of my 7 original draft choices.

Also I've played fantasy baseball and how would you go about doing that? Have all songs available to everyone and choose 7 songs to represent you that week? (sorry if you explained it before) I'm interested in hearing your idea, could be cool.

[Semper454]

I do frequent these boards a lot and pay attention to the sets and was quick enough to pick up cornbread which has been huge but I think the draft was more important rather then just adding/dropping songs. I have 6 of my 7 original draft choices.

Also I've played fantasy baseball and how would you go about doing that? Have all songs available to everyone and choose 7 songs to represent you that week? (sorry if you explained it before) I'm interested in hearing your idea, could be cool.

Basically just the same as it works now. Just instead of letting people pick up songs and get points for them in the middle of the week, let your 7-song lineup from say midnight EST on Sunday be the only songs you can use from Monday through the following Sunday. In between can be a true waiver request period, where multiple people in the same league can claim a song, but the song will go to the person with the lowest overall points.

For example, Team A's lineup at midnight EST Sunday night might be Hunger, YMDT, Seek Up, ABI, Butterfly, Captain, and Cornbread. That's that guy's lineup for the week. If he makes a waiver claim for Eh Hee on Wednesday, he won't get points for it until the following Sunday night, when his lineup resets.

However, if Team B has less overall points and also puts in a waiver claim for Eh Hee anytime during that week, Team B gets Eh Hee, in the interest of fairness and competition.

Basically, this would allow owners a week to make waiver claims before they've missed out on a song, while also giving weaker teams first dibs on debuts/returns.

Does that make sense?

[Minarets#40]

Basically just the same as it works now. Just instead of letting people pick up songs and get points for them in the middle of the week, let your 7-song lineup from say midnight EST on Sunday be the only songs you can use from Monday through the following Sunday. In between can be a true waiver request period, where multiple people in the same league can claim a song, but the song will go to the person with the lowest overall points.

For example, Team A's lineup at midnight EST Sunday night might be Hunger, YMDT, Seek Up, ABI, Butterfly, Captain, and Cornbread. That's that guy's lineup for the week. If he makes a waiver claim for Eh Hee on Wednesday, he won't get points for it until the following Sunday night, when his lineup resets.

However, if Team B has less overall points and also puts in a waiver claim for Eh Hee anytime during that week, Team B gets Eh Hee, in the interest of fairness and competition.

Basically, this would allow owners a week to make waiver claims before they've missed out on a song, while also giving weaker teams first dibs on debuts/returns.

Does that make sense?definitely an idea I hadn't thought of but one that I really like. It still requires people to pay some attention, but it's not a cheap kind of "first come, first serve".

My only question is this... so what if I pick my original 7 songs, then next week I get to pick up Eh Hee. Then the following week I have more points than someone else, so they get Eh Hee the following week. What do I do to replace Eh Hee then? Do I get my original 7 back? Let's say that I dropped DDTW to get Eh Hee... then can someone else pick up DDTW during that week?

I think this idea has a lot of potential.... mind elaborating so I can be sure I understand how it works? :thumbsup

[Semper454]

definitely an idea I hadn't thought of but one that I really like. It still requires people to pay some attention, but it's not a cheap kind of "first come, first serve".

My only question is this... so what if I pick my original 7 songs, then next week I get to pick up Eh Hee. Then the following week I have more points than someone else, so they get Eh Hee the following week. What do I do to replace Eh Hee then? Do I get my original 7 back? Let's say that I dropped DDTW to get Eh Hee... then can someone else pick up DDTW during that week?

I think this idea has a lot of potential.... mind elaborating so I can be sure I understand how it works? :thumbsup

In that case, you would keep Eh Hee. Once a song is on your team, it's yours until you decide to drop it. The only thing that would change week to week if you pass someone in overall points is the pecking order for returned songs. The other team would then get higher priority for the next return or debuted song.

[Minarets#40]

In that case, you would keep Eh Hee. Once a song is on your team, it's yours until you decide to drop it. The only thing that would change week to week if you pass someone in overall points is the pecking order for returned songs. The other team would then get higher priority for the next return or debuted song.
my only concern there is that the people who have the worst first week will get the rare songs that return. it's almost like you're rewarded for not picking too well in the draft. most often, songs debut toward the beginning of the tour, so the rare ones will go to people who scored poorly, then will be around the whole tour to boost their score.

what do you think of a system where people can draft songs, at the end of the week the people with lowest score get their pick first priority, then after some period of time they go back up for grabs... two weeks maybe? how long that time would be is obviously something we'd discuss. if we did it that way, we could also just say "you can only have one song at a time other than the songs you drafted"

then if people drafted the rare songs, they'd get to keep them all tour and could win big because their own good playing, but you wouldn't get the issue of the same people having 3 or 4 of the songs scoring 5 points every other night.

opinions?

[Semper454]

my only concern there is that the people who have the worst first week will get the rare songs that return. it's almost like you're rewarded for not picking too well in the draft. most often, songs debut toward the beginning of the tour, so the rare ones will go to people who scored poorly, then will be around the whole tour to boost their score.

Not necessarily. Returns very rarely stick around for an entire tour. It would help though if returns/debuts weren't so heavily weighted. Right now, anybody with SUAD and/or Cornbread is doing pretty well. The biggest things to address, in my opinion, are the scoring/song grouping, the waiver wire, and new songs. But there's definitely a lot of ways you could do it that would work out.

[Minarets#40]

Not necessarily. Returns very rarely stick around for an entire tour. It would help though if returns/debuts weren't so heavily weighted. Right now, anybody with SUAD and/or Cornbread is doing pretty well. The biggest things to address, in my opinion, are the scoring/song grouping, the waiver wire, and new songs. But there's definitely a lot of ways you could do it that would work out.
I agree that perhaps the newer songs should be put into groups where they won't score huge points, since they have a tendency to be heavily played. However, how could SUAD not be put into group D? If it's not going to be, nothing should be.

That kind of leave a sitaution where you have two choices I think - either get rid of groups like Group C and D so that these rare songs that come back and get a lot of play don't score TOO big, or limit the amount of time people hold them.

Regarding new songs that pop up on the tour, I agree that we need some kind of policy (possibly the same thing as this year, but maybe not...). Let's plan to discuss that during the second half of the year. I think if we can figure out this song trading thing we might be able to swing implementing it during the second half of the summer tour this year.

[WiseManSay]

I agree that perhaps the newer songs should be put into groups where they won't score huge points, since they have a tendency to be heavily played. However, how could SUAD not be put into group D? If it's not going to be, nothing should be.

That kind of leave a sitaution where you have two choices I think - either get rid of groups like Group C and D so that these rare songs that come back and get a lot of play don't score TOO big, or limit the amount of time people hold them.

Regarding new songs that pop up on the tour, I agree that we need some kind of policy (possibly the same thing as this year, but maybe not...). Let's plan to discuss that during the second half of the year. I think if we can figure out this song trading thing we might be able to swing implementing it during the second half of the summer tour this year.

Once it has been played it is no longer rare. Before the tour started it could go into Group D. It haden't been played in 7 years. But if it was played lastnight and still not in a song category, then it goes in A or B.

[Semper454]

I agree that perhaps the newer songs should be put into groups where they won't score huge points, since they have a tendency to be heavily played. However, how could SUAD not be put into group D? If it's not going to be, nothing should be.

That kind of leave a sitaution where you have two choices I think - either get rid of groups like Group C and D so that these rare songs that come back and get a lot of play don't score TOO big...

Exactly.

You deserve more points for having SUAD than Stay, for example, but right now SUAD is getting played as much if not more than most songs and is worth 5 times as much as a song like Stay.

[Minarets#40]

Exactly.

You deserve more points for having SUAD than Stay, for example, but right now SUAD is getting played as much if not more than most songs and is worth 5 times as much as a song like Stay.
I DO think though that if someone were risky during the draft and picked SUAD before it had been played in 7 years, they should get mega points for doing so. By eliminating the big point groups, that eliminates the reason people might take a risk.

One of the suggestions I made before was that perhaps a song could be worth more points if you drafted it, and maybe be just half points or something if you pick it up later.

What if there were 3 Groups...

Group A - 2 points if it was drafted, 1 if picked up later
Group B - 3 if drafted, 2 if picked up
Group C - 5 if drafted, 2 if picked up

then you get +1 point for a spot, and +1 point for a guest

The songs in group C would be songs not played in the past 2 years during a regular tour (06 DMB Summer, 07 D&T)
Group A would be the most played half of those that were played, and Group B the less played half that were played.

I kind of like that idea... tell me what you think...

and we could incorporate the idea of having people pick up songs on a weekly basis, with low point scorers getting priority

[JamesM]

^ that kinda turns me on

[Semper454]

I DO think though that if someone were risky during the draft and picked SUAD before it had been played in 7 years, they should get mega points for doing so. By eliminating the big point groups, that eliminates the reason people might take a risk.

One of the suggestions I made before was that perhaps a song could be worth more points if you drafted it, and maybe be just half points or something if you pick it up later.

What if there were 3 Groups...

Group A - 2 points if it was drafted, 1 if picked up later
Group B - 3 if drafted, 2 if picked up
Group C - 5 if drafted, 2 if picked up

then you get +1 point for a spot, and +1 point for a guest

The songs in group C would be songs not played in the past 2 years during a regular tour (06 DMB Summer, 07 D&T)
Group A would be the most played half of those that were played, and Group B the less played half that were played.

I kind of like that idea... tell me what you think...

and we could incorporate the idea of having people pick up songs on a weekly basis, with low point scorers getting priority

I think to really decide the best way to do this, I'd need some numbers. If we tweaked the number of teams in a league or songs on a team we we might be able to solve a couple problems. If you have any kind of data about overall songs played and scoring that I could get a hold of, that would be awesome.

[Minarets#40]

I think to really decide the best way to do this, I'd need some numbers. If we tweaked the number of teams in a league or songs on a team we we might be able to solve a couple problems. If you have any kind of data about overall songs played and scoring that I could get a hold of, that would be awesome.
here's the spreadsheet that contains all the info from this years tour
http://www.sendspace.com/file/zjvlgn

info for the 2006 tour you can find at www.dmbalmanac.com (http://www.dmbalmanac.com)
that's where i'd go to look for that info

[DMBfan41]

here's the spreadsheet that contains all the info from this years tour
http://www.sendspace.com/file/zjvlgn

info for the 2006 tour you can find at www.dmbalmanac.com (http://www.dmbalmanac.com)
that's where i'd go to look for that info

after seeing that spreadsheet man, damn, you are good

[Minarets#40]

after seeing that spreadsheet man, damn, you are good
appreciate a bit more how much work has gone into this? :)

that's why, while we love to hear everyone's input and we really do value your opinion, when it comes across like an attack, the few of us who've put in all the work sometimes take a bit of offense to it.

keep those suggestions for next tour coming, just keep them constructive! :thumbsup

[DMBfan41]

appreciate a bit more how much work has gone into this? :)

that's why, while we love to hear everyone's input and we really do value your opinion, when it comes across like an attack, the few of us who've put in all the work sometimes take a bit of offense to it.

keep those suggestions for next tour coming, just keep them constructive! :thumbsup

i do try. but like any help you need for the next tour. I'm here man, I'm a stats man so i like to keep track of everything, it bothers me things aren't updated. So yeah, any help needed, I'm your man.

[PantalaNagaMan]

Hello Again;

I am finally completely 100 percent settled into my apartment, have full access to my computer and have completed my first full week as a university student. :)

I apologize all for the inconviences, and I didn't abandon this....hell I created it...But sometimes there ARE things going on in life that are far more superior than antsmarching.org

But, I am back and it seems like my good buddy John has made some amazing changes and has done a wonderful job assisting this while I have been gone.

Feel free to post whatever you'd like so we can make the necessary changes for the future of this game.

Also I hope you all have checked out the new site that Maya's connections has so thoughtfully donated.

Good to be back.

[Minarets#40]

I think to really decide the best way to do this, I'd need some numbers. If we tweaked the number of teams in a league or songs on a team we we might be able to solve a couple problems. If you have any kind of data about overall songs played and scoring that I could get a hold of, that would be awesome.
just curious, have you checked some of that out? I've got another spreadsheet that lists all the songs from the 2005 / 2006 tours and how many points they would have scored based on the song charts too if you want it. PM me for it.

thanks!

[DaveMB36]

i was thinking and this may have been covered but a new album may be out before next summers tour so this has to be considered. I know people have said that songs after hollywood bowl don't count but on an album tour that could be half of the show....just something to consider

[Minarets#40]

i was thinking and this may have been covered but a new album may be out before next summers tour so this has to be considered. I know people have said that songs after hollywood bowl don't count but on an album tour that could be half of the show....just something to consider
good call :thumbsup

yeah we'd have to allow people to pick songs off of the new album, but they'd almost assuredly have to be worth almost nothing...

[maya]

I'm still waiting on people to sign up to the website....don't make me hunt you guys down :lol

[Minarets#40]

check out the update about the playoffs