Roger Clemens

[saygdbye4134]

So Yankees fans, or fans of baseball in general, was it even close to being worth it?

Rog was taken off the ALDS roster on Monday, meaning if the yanks could have beat Cleveland, he would not have been able to pitch in the ALCS.

2007 stats
6-6.
4.18 ERA
68Ks
31BBs
99 hits
46 ER


I know they say, it's all about his presence in the dugout. What does that presence actually do? so, the Yankees pretty much paid $121,121.12 for every inning that he pitched.

So, was it worth it?

[thom hudson]

nope. not worth it. i called that shit from the second they re-signed his washed up ass.
go home and count your money. and dont come back.

[Ascf33]

no..

[jdmpsu339]

Biggest single-season bust, per dollar, in baseball history?

I say yes.

[Ascf33]

Biggest single-season bust, per dollar, in baseball history?

I say yes.

Carl Pavano thanks you for the pardon.

[BlueWaterBF36]

No. Clemens was bad for the money, plain and simple.

[WHO DEY!!!]

I am the one vote for YES!! The untangibles that he brings to the game, the team, the dougout, the front office, the city and most importantly the sport, are not measurable. He means so much to so many different aspects that he deserves everything he gets. He is the greatest pitcher of his era and probably of all time. Dont give me any of those old fuckers with like 470 wins....times have changed, the game has changed. Feel pride in knowing that you grew up in the Clemens era.....and hope he comes back. He is the last of the great power pitchers. it will be a sad day when he is forced to hang them up.

[templeofdmb]

I am the one vote for YES!! The untangibles that he brings to the game, the team, the dougout, the front office, the city and most importantly the sport, are not measurable. He means so much to so many different aspects that he deserves everything he gets. He is the greatest pitcher of his era and probably of all time. Dont give me any of those old fuckers with like 470 wins....times have changed, the game has changed. Feel pride in knowing that you grew up in the Clemens era.....and hope he comes back. He is the last of the great power pitchers. it will be a sad day when he is forced to hang them up.

First, its "intangibles", just an FYI, not being a douche. Second, I hate to break it to you but the Rocket is done. I agree that he WAS great but he needs to end it now before he fades out anymore. You seem invested. I just didn't want to see you suffer.

[saygdbye4134]

First, its "intangibles", just an FYI, not being a douche. Second, I hate to break it to you but the Rocket is done. I agree that he WAS great but he needs to end it now before he fades out anymore. You seem invested. I just didn't want to see you suffer.


:lol.

yeah sorry dude, he's not the rocket anymore. he's not even a cap gun. He needs to be like his commercials and go back to golf.

[thom hudson]

I am the one vote for YES!! The untangibles that he brings to the game, the team, the dougout, the front office, the city and most importantly the sport, are not measurable. He means so much to so many different aspects that he deserves everything he gets. He is the greatest pitcher of his era and probably of all time. Dont give me any of those old fuckers with like 470 wins....times have changed, the game has changed. Feel pride in knowing that you grew up in the Clemens era.....and hope he comes back. He is the last of the great power pitchers. it will be a sad day when he is forced to hang them up.
:lol is that where Mientkiewicz hangs out?

[DmBand801]

tough call over the bigger waste of money: pavano or clemens

[dowling25]

no he was definitely not worth the money. he had a pretty bad season when you look at how much money they gave him. and he is old and got hurt a lot.

[malarks26]

Not worth it, not even close.

[rickyh24]

waste of money

[dmbmuskie]

He helped get them to the playoffs, which is all you can ask, before his body finally failed him. I doubt they make the playoffs without him.

[bustdstuff]

I am the one vote for YES!! The untangibles that he brings to the game, the team, the dougout, the front office, the city and most importantly the sport, are not measurable. He means so much to so many different aspects that he deserves everything he gets. He is the greatest pitcher of his era and probably of all time. Dont give me any of those old fuckers with like 470 wins....times have changed, the game has changed. Feel pride in knowing that you grew up in the Clemens era.....and hope he comes back. He is the last of the great power pitchers. it will be a sad day when he is forced to hang them up.

He was a complete waste of money this season. If he means so much to the locker room, front office, and the city then bring him on as a pitching coach. It'll save Steinbrenner millions that he can waste on trying to re-sign the waste of talent named Arod (a bit of long standing Mariner resentment there).

[dmbmuskie]

He was a complete waste of money this season. If he means so much to the locker room, front office, and the city then bring him on as a pitching coach. It'll save Steinbrenner millions that he can waste on trying to re-sign the waste of talent named Arod (a bit of long standing Mariner resentment there).

Why the hell would he want to be a pitching coach, which would be more work than being an actual pitcher?

[rickyh24]

He was a complete waste of money this season. If he means so much to the locker room, front office, and the city then bring him on as a pitching coach. It'll save Steinbrenner millions that he can waste on trying to re-sign the waste of talent named Arod (a bit of long standing Mariner resentment there).

i think a rod had more than a productive year...

[dmbmuskie]

i think a rod had more than a productive year...

People who bash A-rod kill me. What more can he do?

[rickyh24]

People who bash A-rod kill me. What more can he do?


well they can bash all they want the fact is there would have been no October for the Yanks without him.

[bustdstuff]

Why the hell would he want to be a pitching coach, which would be more work than being an actual pitcher?

I meant that sarcastically since we all know he wouldn't leave Texas for the entire season plus spring training.

People who bash A-rod kill me. What more can he do?

He was a complete waste of money this season. If he means so much to the locker room, front office, and the city then bring him on as a pitching coach. It'll save Steinbrenner millions that he can waste on trying to re-sign the waste of talent named Arod (a bit of long standing Mariner resentment there).

Stand by his word.

[thom hudson]

well they can bash all they want the fact is there would have been no October for the Yanks without him.
there wasn't much of an october with him though. cant deny that. :shrug

that being said, you have to bring him back. the people who say he should be shipped off to chicago, or wherever obviously are either in panic mode or didnt watch the yanks all season.
nobody in this league is putting up the numbers he has the potential to put up year after year. hanging on to a-rod should be a no brainer. yeah, the guy's probably a head case in the post season, but let's face it, NO ONE on the yankees has a particularly good ALDS. He's just under a microscope because he's A-Rod.

edit: sorry, forgot this was the Clemens thread...but still.

[dmbmuskie]

there wasn't much of an october with him though. cant deny that. :shrug

that being said, you have to bring him back. the people who say he should be shipped off to chicago, or wherever obviously are either in panic mode or didnt watch the yanks all season.
nobody in this league is putting up the numbers he has the potential to put up year after year. hanging on to a-rod should be a no brainer. yeah, the guy's probably a head case in the post season, but let's face it, NO ONE on the yankees has a particularly good ALDS. He's just under a microscope because he's A-Rod.

That's because Cashman cannot put together a good staff with 200 million to spend. They lost because the Indians starters are much better.

[mojo1210]

i think a rod had more than a productive year...

who gives a shit, he did and has always done jack shit for the yanks in the playoffs.

edit: and i see your second post, and i agree, but if you can't deliver in the post season, are you really all that you are cracked up to be?

[dmbmuskie]

who gives a shit, he did and has always done jack shit for the yanks in the playoffs.

Jeter had a much worse post season.

[rickyh24]

Jeter had a much worse post season.

what about their ace? he didn't exactly come through either...

[dmbmuskie]

They have an ace?

[thom hudson]

That's because Cashman cannot put together a good staff with 200 million to spend. They lost because the Indians starters are much better.
bingo. bats can win you a trip to the post season, but pitching wins championships.

Jeter had a much worse post season.
yes, but you'll never see the media or fans trash Jeter. ever.

[malarks26]

He helped get them to the playoffs, which is all you can ask, before his body finally failed him. I doubt they make the playoffs without him.

He had 6 wins and an era well over 4.00, remind me again how he got them to the playoffs and how you can make a statement like that?

[dmbmuskie]

He had 6 wins and an era well over 4.00, remind me again how he got them to the playoffs and how you can make a statement like that?

6 wins and priceless knowledge about pitching that he could pass on to the rest of the staff seem to be a good argument.

[dmbigeyedphish]

I am the one vote for YES!! The untangibles that he brings to the game, the team, the doug(funny)out, the front office, the city and most importantly the sport, are not measurable. He means so much to so many different aspects that he deserves everything he gets. He is the greatest pitcher of his era and probably of all time. Dont give me any of those old fuckers with like 470 wins....times have changed, the game has changed. Feel pride in knowing that you grew up in the Clemens era.....and hope he comes back. He is the last of the great power pitchers. it will be a sad day when he is forced to hang them up.

Fixed. And no.

[DMBtheStoned]

washed up

[DMB0715]

Jeter had a much worse post season.

3 Double plays in 2 games. All if which had the feel of a rally starting.

[barefoot]

6 wins and priceless knowledge about pitching that he could pass on to the rest of the staff seem to be a good argument.

priceless knowledge?:lol like how not to make it out of the first inning in an elimination playoff game. Face it Clemens came back for more jack, if he wanted to do it right he would have signed with Boston and finished his career with a good post season run.

[ProudestAnt]

tough call over the bigger waste of money: pavano or clemens Easily Pavano. He made 8 starts, 8 STARTS in his career in NY, and made $40 mil. That's $5 mil per start...

[thom hudson]

Easily Pavano. He made 8 starts, 8 STARTS in his career in NY, and made $40 mil. That's $5 mil per start...
pavano turned out to be a bust, but they should have seen it coming with clemens. i mean, when they signed pavano, they had no indication he was going to fall apart. clemens though? a banged up 40-something year old? come on. do the math. just a dumb move from the start.
that, the yanks had control over if they had any common sense whatsoever.

[mr. testaverde]

who gives a shit, he did and has always done jack shit for the yanks in the playoffs.

WRONG.

look at his numbers in the 04 ALDS and games 1-3 of the 04 ALCS. HUGE numbers. yeah, he's struggled mightily since then, but then again, just about every yankee has, sans a few.

[thom hudson]

...and bear in mind, my previous statement was based upon the most recent acquisition of clemens, not the prior one.

[SmoothD41]

haha, anyone that voted "yes" must have clicked the wrong one. It was the most ridiculous contract in the history of sports. He is nothing more than an average #3 starter at this point. I hope that washed up piece of trash goes away for good....but he wont

[dmbmuskie]

priceless knowledge?:lol like how not to make it out of the first inning in an elimination playoff game. Face it Clemens came back for more jack, if he wanted to do it right he would have signed with Boston and finished his career with a good post season run.

They hate him in Boston.

[TempHelpNeeded]

They hate him in Boston.



:thumbsup


We offered him a better contract and still he went with the Yankees. I hope he goes into the Hall of Fame as a Red Sox and not one Red Sox fan cheers for him.

[malarks26]

priceless knowledge?:lol like how not to make it out of the first inning in an elimination playoff game. Face it Clemens came back for more jack, if he wanted to do it right he would have signed with Boston and finished his career with a good post season run.

Just a minor oversight....Wang actually made it out of the first inning. It was the second inning where he loaded the bases and had nobody out when he exited the game.

I think he really wanted to come back and help the Yankees win another WS, but at 45 years of age, his body just doesn't have it anymore. Although I'm sure it helped a bit that the Yankees threw all that money in his face. :lol

[Gary!]

Carl Pavano thanks you for the pardon.

Hahah nice.

6 wins and priceless knowledge about pitching that he could pass on to the rest of the staff seem to be a good argument.

I agree. I think that he had a "productive" year for the Yankees. Even the lift he gave fans was nice... I actually thought we were going to turn it around right there when he made the announcement at the stadium.

But definitely not worth the money we spent. Kind of an MJ move. Probably should have just called it quits before coming back.

[DmBand801]

well they can bash all they want the fact is there would have been no October for the Yanks without him.

:thumbsup

[crashintonickdm]

fuck no. nobody is worth that much. especially a washed up 45 year old pitcher who didnt have it like he used to.

its torres fault though. :rolleyes

[crashintome202]

i could have told you this the day he was signed

[ProudestAnt]

They hate him in Boston. Who hates him in Boston?