Joe "4 world series titles in 12 years" Torre

[saygdbye4134]

Should he be relieved of his coaching duties New York?

6 world series appearences
4 world series titles
made the playoffs for 13 straight years
won over 100 games in 3 seasons
in 1998, went 114-48 :eek
has over 2000 wins, best for 9th all-time




Steinbrenner is an ass. why on Earth would you fire this guy? better yet, who are you going to get to replace him, Don Mattingly?

[thom hudson]

i think at this point, he should go. not because he lost, etc... because i dont think losing to cleveland was his fault, but because it's already been said that he is going to be fired if he loses this series. i think george has to live with the rash decision he made by calling him out the other night before game 3. that was a classless move by the boss, imo, but whats done is done. if steinbrenner offers joe his job back, joe should tell him to go fuck himself.

who do you bring in to manage the team? i dont know. donnie? (love him to death) BUT - he has no experience managing a team.
joe girardi? maybe he is a possibility.
we'll have to wait and see.
all i know is, joe gave us some really good years, and for that i am grateful.

[jdmpsu339]

Managing experience is overrated. You could have a computer manage a major league baseball team and probably come within 2 wins of what a real manager would do in most cases.

The best thing a manager can do is be well liked by his players (if you believe they will "play harder" for someone they like), and serve as a liason between players and management, putting out any PR fires, etc.

Seemed like Torre did a pretty good job of that, he just works for a mentally insane owner. Not his fault.

I'm not even a Yankees fan and I sort of feel bad for Torre.

[thom hudson]

at the press conference, joe seemed like he was relieved.

[jdmpsu339]

at the press conference, joe seemed like he was relieved.

Yeah I can imagine time spent managing in NY can be measured in dog years.

[BlueWaterBF36]

No way. I hate the Yankees but I feel bad for Torre. He's been a wonderful manager and this isn't his fault. The Yankees have had no idea how to construct a winning team over the last 6 years. And that's ownership and front office management.

[dmbdreamingtree]

Joe Torre is my hero... Not a yankee fan, but raised by a father who is. When i look at Torre I feel like I am looking at a legend, someone who will go down in books next to mantle, ruth, jeter, a-rod, etc. not only for his legendary ability to take the mess that is the yankees to the playoffs and world series over and over... but also for his on and off the field behavior... who he is as a person... if Torre goes... most likely will my sympathy for the yankees... He made the LA Laker type of team feel like home to everyone... He gave me a reason to support the yankees.

[mizzoudmbfan]

Tlr.

[templeofdmb]

Anyone who votes yes needs to have their head examined OR you don't know shit about baseball. And I'm a Red Sox fan.

[mojo1210]

someone who will go down in books next to mantle, ruth, jeter, a-rod, etc.

hell yes, put him in the books. not next to a-rod. maybe when he starts delivering in the post season, he can join that list.

[SoRight24]

Torre is one of the only things I actually liked about the Yankees.

He is a hell of a manager, and a good guy overall.

[dre2142]

Don Mattingly rulez :)

Cant wait for Torre to get fired and then the Yankees miss the playoffs. haha

[thom hudson]

Anyone who votes yes needs to have their head examined OR you don't know shit about baseball. And I'm a Red Sox fan.
so george should go back on his word?

if i were torre, after that shit was said by steinbrenner, i wouldnt want to come back.

edit: again, i dont blame torre for the loss at all. i think he had a great run here in ny. if you cant hit in the clutch, and you cant pitch worth a shit, you cant win.

[templeofdmb]

so george should go back on his word?

if i were torre, after that shit was said by steinbrenner, i wouldnt want to come back.

edit: again, i dont blame torre for the loss at all. i think he had a great run here in ny. if you cant hit in the clutch, and you cant pitch worth a shit, you cant win.

George should keep his mouth shut period. I do think he should go back on his word if he had a brain in his head but he doesn't. It was his wallet and TORRE'S brains that won the games not the other way around.

[DmBand801]

Torre shouldn't go....you can't blame him for: wang's meltdown, clemens' injury, and the flies in cleveland in game 2

[dmbdreamingtree]

torre should go to the mets and randolph to the yankees.

[DmBand801]

torre should go to the mets and randolph to the yankees.

now thats a good idea :)

[thom hudson]

George should keep his mouth shut period. I do think he should go back on his word if he had a brain in his head but he doesn't. It was his wallet and TORRE'S brains that won the games not the other way around.
absolutely. he should have kept his mouth shut. but he didn't.
that's why Joe should go. no other reason.

[thom hudson]

torre should go to the mets and randolph to the yankees.
no thank you. :D

[DmBand801]

if torre goes, good luck trying to get posada and rivera back

[thom hudson]

if torre goes, good luck trying to get posada and rivera back
that, unfortunately may be true.

[jiggajm18]

bobby cox has been at atlanta for more than 12 years, and he only has 1 world series win. and he's not getting fired.

torre should stay.

[saygdbye4134]

if torre goes, good luck trying to get posada and rivera back


minus this season, posada is only a .260 hitter. i would want him back though.

rivera, i would say can go wherever he should choose. maybe chicago, then dempster could try his hand at yankeee baseball.

[DmBand801]

bobby cox has been at atlanta for more than 12 years, and he only has 1 world series win. and he's not getting fired.

torre should stay.

but the problem is...

A. the braves don't have a $200 million payroll
B. with regards to the press, atlanta is not new york - torres under a microscope from march to october

[TheMakerDMB17]

Torre is one of the only things I actually liked about the Yankees.

He is a hell of a manager, and a good guy overall.


:thumbsup
I agree. Never been a Yankees fan ever, but he seems to be a real classy guy and a great manager.

[dmbdreamingtree]

:thumbsup
I agree. Never been a Yankees fan ever, but he seems to be a real classy guy and a great manager.

U of A, U of A, U of A, U of A!

[jiggajm18]

but the problem is...

A. the braves don't have a $200 million payroll
B. with regards to the press, atlanta is not new york - torres under a microscope from march to october

i completely agree with you with all of those things....i was just comparing based on winning and losing

[cruscott35]

Anyone who votes yes needs to have their head examined OR you don't know shit about baseball. And I'm a Red Sox fan.


Look at his line ups over the years...It'd be tough to try and throw the games and not make the playoffs...Give me that payroll, I bet I find a away to do at least what he did.

[jiggajm18]

Look at his line ups over the years...It'd be tough to try and throw the games and not make the playoffs...Give me that payroll, I bet I find a away to do at least what he did.

true, but its not his fault that they havent been winning in the playoffs. a-rod looks like a minor-leaguer in october, and they (like the rest of the league) have pretty bad pitching except for a few guys.

[dowling25]

no probably not. but you know that he will be fired.

[mizzoudmbfan]

You could have just as easily titled this thread "Joe "0 titles in 7 years" Torre".

I think this falls under the category of what have you done for me lately. If I was Stein and I had been shelling out the kind of money he has I would want a little more return on my investment. I love Torre and anywhere else he would be untouchable with 4 titles, for that matter 4 titles would meet or exceed most teams historical total.

[templeofdmb]

Look at his line ups over the years...It'd be tough to try and throw the games and not make the playoffs...Give me that payroll, I bet I find a away to do at least what he did.
I agree. That line up does not take a baseball mastermind to get the best out of. But he did it so consistently. The most important thing about Torre wasn't what he did as manager but what he didn't do. He never shook and that confidence led the team through SO many games that they should have lost.

[rickyh24]

steinbrenner is a dick

[SoMuchToSay_07]

joe has done great things in the past 12 years, and he's a really classy guy, one of the few reasons I respect the Yankees team, but I do understand where Steinbrenner is coming from, he is paying a whole hell of a lot for Torre and he hasn't been producing the results expected of him.

[DMB0715]

Torre shouldn't go....you can't blame him for: wang's meltdown, clemens' injury, and the flies in cleveland in game 2

A huge Yankees fan, but no way you can blame the flies.

[DMBtheStoned]

no way

[DMB0715]

joe has done great things in the past 12 years, and he's a really classy guy, one of the few reasons I respect the Yankees team, but I do understand where Steinbrenner is coming from, he is paying a whole hell of a lot for Torre and he hasn't been producing the results expected of him.

What else can Torre do? He's done nothing wrong, his players just aren't producing...

[kydmb99]

Being a UK fan and seeing the whole Tubby Smith situation, I would have no problem with Torree being pushed out. He's a great guy who's done great things, but there's no doubt he's peaked and they need a change. When you have almost 30 world series titles, your expectations aren't the same as everyone else's.

[kydmb99]

What else can Torre do? He's done nothing wrong, his players just aren't producing...

Ok????? Isn't that a managers job? To get the players to produce?

[DMBnick15]

so i'm a cards fan and there is speculation that la russa will go to the yankees if torre gets fired. around stl, everyone is pretty pissed that they might let tony go. his contract is up, but they fired the GM who he was good friends with.

[s0628711]

^^ As a Yankee fan, I'm not a huge LaRussa fan, so I don't know how I'd feel about that.

But I do think it's time for Joe to go. This era unfortunately needs to come to an end. Keep Mo and Posada out of respect, but besides the two of them and Jeter, this is a totally different team. It's time someone else got on that bench and took this team in a different direction.

My pick for the job: Joe Girardi- I think this is why he turned down the Orioles' job. He proved how great he could do with young talent, and with Hughes, Chamberlain, and Kennedy all slated to be in the starting rotation, I think he would be the perfect fit.

[mojo1210]

Look at his line ups over the years...It'd be tough to try and throw the games and not make the playoffs...Give me that payroll, I bet I find a away to do at least what he did.
i'm sure you could tough guy.

[DMBnick15]

[quote=s0628711;6692465]^^ As a Yankee fan, I'm not a huge LaRussa fan, so I don't know how I'd feel about that.

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people either think he is great or hate him. i love him. he's a great guy to have on and off the field. he does a shit load for the community and gets us to the playoffs (well except this year hah)

[s0628711]

^^^ Agreed, but can you see him dealing with all the bullshit that comes along with working for the boss. Hate to say it, but the day he dies will be the day this franchise is run the way it should be.

[DMBnick15]

^^^ Agreed, but can you see him dealing with all the bullshit that comes along with working for the boss. Hate to say it, but the day he dies will be the day this franchise is run the way it should be.
no you are right about that. he doens't put up with shit, not that torre does, but i just think la russa is used to working independently for the most part. he manages different than most which would piss 'the boss' off

[s0628711]

no you are right about that. he doens't put up with shit, not that torre does, but i just think la russa is used to working independently for the most part. he manages different than most which would piss 'the boss' off
Exactly. I think that would be a disaster waiting to happen if they brought him in. But if the boss has his eye on him, you know he gets what he wants. :rolleyes

[DMBnick15]

Exactly. I think that would be a disaster waiting to happen if they brought him in. But if the boss has his eye on him, you know he gets what he wants. :rolleyes
i haven't heard whether any of this has come from the yankee press, just some speculation in stl. has anyone else heard?

[rickyh24]

Ok????? Isn't that a managers job? To get the players to produce?

i would say it the managers job to "manage" the players jobs to "play and produce"

[s0628711]

i haven't heard whether any of this has come from the yankee press, just some speculation in stl. has anyone else heard?
Supposedly all the talk radios in NY (Mike and the Mad Dog) are saying the exact same thing, that it's all but guaranteed. Who knows though/

[HolyCow]

I bet Joe is sick of this crap. He shouldn't be fired, but I bet he's ready to go.

[thom hudson]

I bet Joe is sick of this crap. He shouldn't be fired, but I bet he's ready to go.
:thumbsup exactly. he doesnt want to deal with this nonsense anymore...and i cant say i blame him.

[chr35919]

4 out of 5 then 0 out of 7 :shrug

he still shouldn't be fired....but yankees are held to higher standards

[s0628711]

4 out of 5 then 0 out of 7 :shrug

he still shouldn't be fired....but yankees are held to higher standards
Which is the root of the entire problem for the last seven years. It's absurd the expectations that are set on this team.

So, OTL reported that so many still photographers were outside Joe's house until around noon today that he had to call the Yankees and ask if they could do anything, at which point they told all reporters in the clubhouse that if they didn't leave Joe's, they would cut all of them off for the rest of the day.

At least Mattingly is trying to make sure Joe is treated with respect throughout this whole thing. It's going to be an interesting month or so in the Bronx to say the least.

[saygdbye4134]

I bet Joe is sick of this crap. He shouldn't be fired, but I bet he's ready to go.


i would say the same. I bet he's just relieved.

I would say the possibility of never having to deal with steinbrenner again could make a guy happy.

[irishluck314]

I love Joe Torre and i believe that he shouldnt be fired its Cashmans/Steinbrenners fault for not constructing a team that could go deep in the postseason....and you also have to put most of the blame on the players who actually lost the games...i mean A-Rod choked again granted he has tremendous pressure but he deserves it because of the numbers the guy puts up...and Derek Jeter my favorite yankee kills rally after rally with double plays in the series...and i think if we didnt blow game 2 we could have took the series.

[Lcsulla]

Hate to say it, but the day he dies will be the day this franchise is run the way it should be.

Disagree strongly. Love or hate George you have to respect his passion for winning. Show me another owner willing to dish out the money to field a playoff team for his fans EVERY YEAR! No one runs a franchise like George. Most owners are more worried about lining their own pockets than putting money into the team. We have not won for a while but as a business that model works as well as anything in baseball. Every team should want someone like George in ownership - at least like George minus the ego and intimidation tactics. George wants to win more than any owner in baseball and is willing to pay for it - personally I am greatful for that even if he does annoy me at times.

When George dies who knows what direction this franchise goes in. Money tree may dry up? Maybe new owners would spend as much. Who knows. All I know is that as long as George is alive we will field a competitive team every year. When he is gone, who knows?

[smeritt]

Disagree strongly. Love or hate George you have to respect his passion for winning. Show me another owner willing to dish out the money to field a playoff team for his fans EVERY YEAR! No one runs a franchise like George. Most owners are more worried about lining their own pockets than putting money into the team. We have not won for a while but as a business that model works as well as anything in baseball. Every team should want someone like George in ownership - at least like George minus the ego and intimidation tactics. George wants to win more than any owner in baseball and is willing to pay for it - personally I am greatful for that even if he does annoy me at times.

When George dies who knows what direction this franchise goes in. Money tree may dry up? Maybe new owners would spend as much. Who knows. All I know is that as long as George is alive we will field a competitive team every year. When he is gone, who knows?Agreed, 110%

[crashintome202]

true, but its not his fault that they havent been winning in the playoffs. a-rod looks like a minor-leaguer in october, and they (like the rest of the league) have pretty bad pitching except for a few guys.
torre doesnt help by starting a guy in game 1 who is awful on the road and needs to be in yankee stadium. then throws him out there again on 3 days rest

[everymonkeyknow]

When George dies who knows what direction this franchise goes in. Money tree may dry up? Maybe new owners would spend as much. Who knows. All I know is that as long as George is alive we will field a competitive team every year. When he is gone, who knows?

I belive his Son is next in line(i could be wrong) but i know he has family within the yankees.

Joe should stay because, i dont think that there is any other manager out there that can deal with the diverse egos that the yankees have on there team. and he did get four titles, and several playoff births.
Joe should go because, i think its time for a change. Don Mattlingly does not want the job(atleast thats what he said today) and i think that Joe Girardi did a great job with Florida. He knows the ins and outs of the yankee orgnization and its time for some new and fresh on the bench.

I think that what ever happens next year with the managers position. the team its self will be much diffrent. i dont see posada and arod coming back and i think that joba and huges will become starting pitchers next year. i thnk this off season will be very intresting

[Lcsulla]

Thing is George is a nitwit if he dumps Joe. It isn't even about whether Joe can be replaced because we all know he can be. It is about Joe making the Yankees a more attractive team to sign with. Both Rivera and Pettitte have both stated that if Joe is gone there's a good chance they won't be back. A-Rod and Posada also seem pretty loyal to Joe. If George is dumb enough to risk guys like that to satsfy his ego who gets hurt? The team and the fans.

We all know George would up a FA offer for those guys by a few million over the highest bid. Why not eliminate that necessity and take teh money and give Torre two more years? If a few million dollars for Torre will ensure that even three of them return it is well worth it. If it gets all four back more is the better. These guys are irreplacable right now. Let them get to free agency and good luck getting them all back because here's what a bidding war looks like:

Posada: there is no FA catcher who will command what he will. He will be the marquee catcher on the market if it gets to that.

Rivera: again, easily the premier FA reliever out there.

A-Rod: Best player out there.

Pettitte: again, probably jumps to the top of the FA starter market if he declines his option. Not sure there is a more attractive starter out there.

So yeah, if bringing Joe back will ensure that 3 or all of them return only an idiot would let his ego get in the way of having those guys on his team. Moreover, having Joe at the helm makes NY a more attractive place for potential free agents who are not on the Yankees - quite simply people just like the man and want to play for him. Again, George woudl have to be a complete fool to let Joe walk away right now with all the unresolved contract situations.:BANG

[everymonkeyknow]

Let them get to free agency and good luck getting them all back because here's what a bidding war looks like:

Posada: there is no FA catcher who will command what he will. He will be the marquee catcher on the market if it gets to that.

Rivera: again, easily the premier FA reliever out there.

A-Rod: Best player out there.

Pettitte: again, probably jumps to the top of the FA starter market if he declines his option. Not sure there is a more attractive starter out there.


all of the players you mentiond are old and there years are getting numbered

Posada-he is getting old and his knees can only hold him for so long. he had a great season but could not get the job done when with men on base. he is not a guy i want at the plate with the basses loaded.

Rivera- yes he is the best reliver in the mlb. how much longer can he keep going with out a good set up guy, farsworth was horrible this year. Rivera can not keep pitching 2in he is only good for one.

A-Rod. Honestly do the yankes really need him?? he is a great Player. again he is really no use in the post season for the yankees. get rid of him and free up some money and look for some one else. or bring up from the minors.

Pettitte-for an older pitcher. i do not want to see him go. i enjoy his pitching and the control that he has of the game on of the best pitchers in mlb.

[smeritt]

These are the reasons why Joe wasn't canned the minute they lost that game. There is a lot to talk about. Cashman is probably doing everything he can to keep these guys around. Best case scenario, Posado and Rivera each get two more years along with Joe. Pettite takes his option as does A-rod with an extension.

[bothedmbfan]

Cashman better watch his ass.

[bothedmbfan]

all of the players you mentiond are old and there years are getting numbered

Posada-he is getting old and his knees can only hold him for so long. he had a great season but could not get the job done when with men on base. he is not a guy i want at the plate with the basses loaded.

Rivera- yes he is the best reliver in the mlb. how much longer can he keep going with out a good set up guy, farsworth was horrible this year. Rivera can not keep pitching 2in he is only good for one.

A-Rod. Honestly do the yankes really need him?? he is a great Player. again he is really no use in the post season for the yankees. get rid of him and free up some money and look for some one else. or bring up from the minors.

Pettitte-for an older pitcher. i do not want to see him go. i enjoy his pitching and the control that he has of the game on of the best pitchers in mlb.

1. There are quite a few teams that need a catcher.
2. Saying he;s the best reliever in the MLB is debatable; but if he went into FA, there'd be at least 20 teams creaming their pants, and raping their pocketbooks to get him.
3. Without A-Rod, I don't think the Yanks would have made the playoffs.
4. Pettite...a nice pitcher, but if he leaves, I don't think it'll be THAT big of a hit for you guys.

[crashintome202]

all of the players you mentiond are old and there years are getting numbered

Posada-he is getting old and his knees can only hold him for so long. he had a great season but could not get the job done when with men on base. he is not a guy i want at the plate with the basses loaded.

Rivera- yes he is the best reliver in the mlb. how much longer can he keep going with out a good set up guy, farsworth was horrible this year. Rivera can not keep pitching 2in he is only good for one.

A-Rod. Honestly do the yankes really need him?? he is a great Player. again he is really no use in the post season for the yankees. get rid of him and free up some money and look for some one else. or bring up from the minors.

Pettitte-for an older pitcher. i do not want to see him go. i enjoy his pitching and the control that he has of the game on of the best pitchers in mlb.
posada will hit a wall soon, rivera is not the best reliever in the MLB, and Arod really wasnt that bad this year in the playoffs. we still need him badly.
pettitte is not one of the best pitchers in baseball

[thom hudson]

no, but pettitte is a big game pitcher. always has been.
i dont like the idea of him not coming back.

[crashintome202]

no, but pettitte is a big game pitcher. always has been.
i dont like the idea of him not coming back.
he's the best big game pitcher we have. if he comes back fine. if he tries to opt out and get more money then forget it, his elbow is messed up enough

[proudestmnky]

all of the players you mentiond are old and there years are getting numbered

Posada-he is getting old and his knees can only hold him for so long. he had a great season but could not get the job done when with men on base. he is not a guy i want at the plate with the basses loaded.

Rivera- yes he is the best reliver in the mlb. how much longer can he keep going with out a good set up guy, farsworth was horrible this year. Rivera can not keep pitching 2in he is only good for one.

A-Rod. Honestly do the yankes really need him?? he is a great Player. again he is really no use in the post season for the yankees. get rid of him and free up some money and look for some one else. or bring up from the minors.

Pettitte-for an older pitcher. i do not want to see him go. i enjoy his pitching and the control that he has of the game on of the best pitchers in mlb.

have you watched a yankees game this season?? honestly, yes, the yankees really do need a-rod. they would not have made the playoffs without him this year.

posada - people have been saying he is washed up for at least 2-3 years now; so he comes out in 2007 and bats .338. i'm not expecting him to do it again next season, but honestly, who else do you want to catch?

rivera, pettitte - yes, they still need them. although their abilities are declining, their work with the younger pitchers is far worth it.

so you really think a yankees team without arod, rivera, posada, or pettitte will be better next season? i agree with lsculla; steinbrenner has to consider how not bringing back torre will affect those 4 players being in pinstripes next year.

[rickyh24]

3. Without A-Rod, I don't think the Yanks would have made the playoffs.


:thumbsup :thumbsup this is pretty much a fact

[s0628711]

My take on the whole thing with these four players is this:

Posada: Number One priority. Sign him, give him what he wants. Play him at first base for twenty games, DH for twenty games, and sit out ten games. That should keep him plenty healthy.

Rivera: Number 2 priority. He's gonna want a lot and if Joe's not there, that could sway things, but who else is gonna do it? If he goes, this bullpen takes a turn from bad to worse.

Pettite: Let him go if he wants to. We will have a strong rotation next year with or without him imo. I love the guy to death, but sometimes things need to change.

ARod- He's clearly gonna opt out and from there, give the Yanks a chance. Make him a great offer, but do not get into a BS bidding war because of Scott Boras. If you get him, awesome, if not, spend that boatload of money elsewhere (read: pitching)

[crashintome202]

theres no one to sign that worth alot of money. you have to give arod a blank check

[s0628711]

theres no one to sign that worth alot of money. you have to give arod a blank check
Let's be realistic though. You would honestly be okay with the Yankees giving him a deal that took him through age 45 like Boras has been talking???

[DmBand801]

Let's be realistic though. You would honestly be okay with the Yankees giving him a deal that took him through age 45 like Boras has been talking???

first 10 years - $250 million...now a possible 10 year - $300 million deal...must be nice to be as nasty as a-rod is

[s0628711]

first 10 years - $250 million...now a possible 10 year - $300 million deal...must be nice to be as nasty as a-rod is
:thumbsup Seriously. But now that I think about what I said, I also realized that by the time his "new" deal is up, (whenever that is) his deal may be considered average-less than average. Who knows?

[Trippin4136]

Cashman better watch his ass.

There is no way Cashman gets axed. No way.

What he has going on with the minor league coordinators and international staff remarkable. Every other franchise would love to have a system set like what the Yanks currently have.

[cruscott35]

first 10 years - $250 million...now a possible 10 year - $300 million deal...must be nice to be as nasty as a-rod is


I bet it's closer to 400 million than it is 300 million.

[Trippin4136]

Any franchise dumb enough to give to A-Rod a 10-year contract deserves the economic downfall.

Frankly, I can't believe A-Rod would even has the stomach to take that kind of money, but hey he took it the first time.

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7318254

^^Good article by Ian O'Connor. The same guy who broke the Steinbrenner ultimatum earlier last week.

My prediction is that if he signs with the Yankees, it will be a 5-year/$150M extension, or he'll walk.

[s0628711]

Any franchise dumb enough to give to A-Rod a 10-year contract deserves the economic downfall.

Frankly, I can't believe A-Rod would even has the stomach to take that kind of money, but hey he took it the first time.

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7318254

^^Good article by Ian O'Connor. The same guy who broke the Steinbrenner ultimatum earlier last week.

My prediction is that if he signs with the Yankees, it will be a 5-year/$150M extension, or he'll walk.
That's a great article. And it shows how Boras has rotted the sport from the inside. It sickens me the way agents act nowadays. I wish they would just let players make decisions and let agents take care of the rest. Unfortunately, I feel it's become too one-sided to say that a player truly controls where he plays, except in certain circumstances.

[crashintome202]

Let's be realistic though. You would honestly be okay with the Yankees giving him a deal that took him through age 45 like Boras has been talking???
a 10 year deal would be til he's 42-43. by then he's a 1st/ DH combo who's probably a 6th or 7th hitter... but the next 5 years will be worth what we'd have to pay for the other 5.

[GavMan33]

Any franchise dumb enough to give to A-Rod a 10-year contract deserves the economic downfall.

Frankly, I can't believe A-Rod would even has the stomach to take that kind of money, but hey he took it the first time.

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7318254

^^Good article by Ian O'Connor. The same guy who broke the Steinbrenner ultimatum earlier last week.

My prediction is that if he signs with the Yankees, it will be a 5-year/$150M extension, or he'll walk.

:thumbsup

I've said this before in here. Again, from the small-time hoop players I know, agents are all creeps just trying to get theirs. Good article about sending ARod into last place, and sending Zito into last place, in exchange for the riches. Boras makes me sick....

[smeritt]

That's an awesome article. Boras is a piece of shit. Problem is he is the best. Everyone usually hates the best

[Trippin4136]

a 10 year deal would be til he's 42-43. by then he's a 1st/ DH combo who's probably a 6th or 7th hitter... but the next 5 years will be worth what we'd have to pay for the other 5.

Wow, that is just absurd logic.

There isn't one, NOT ONE, big leaguer worth a 10-year contract in baseball anymore, let alone signing him a 32-year-old to a 10-year deal.

A 10-year deal for a 32-year-old at $30M a year would be financial suicide. That'd be an 80-ton albatross around the neck of the franchise.

You extend through 2014 when he'll be 38-39 and that's it.

[everymonkeyknow]

Without A-Rod, I don't think the Yanks would have made the playoffs.
Thats a bold statment considering that it takes a team to make it to the playoffs, yea he did help out and he is a great regular season player. but when you make it the the postseason that is when you need to produce not go 4-15 with a .267.oh and led the team in SO with 6. that is horrible for the amount of money that he makes. i dont think that he is a guy that i would want at bat in the 9 with men on base to win the game.


have you watched a yankees game this season?? honestly
yea i think i did, if i recall posada leaving men on base. i rember joba throwing some wild pitches. i think jeter hit into a few DP. yea i guess i missed it all.

lets not all forget that the yankees have won the world series with out arod so why do we need him now?

[everymonkeyknow]

Wow, that is just absurd logic.

There isn't one, NOT ONE, big leaguer worth a 10-year contract in baseball anymore, let alone signing him a 32-year-old to a 10-year deal.

A 10-year deal for a 32-year-old at $30M a year would be financial suicide. That'd be an 80-ton albatross around the neck of the franchise.

You extend through 2014 when he'll be 38-39 and that's it.

i belive he has said that he wants to play until he is 45

[Trippin4136]

i belive he has said that he wants to play until he is 45

I think Boras said A-Rod would capable of playing until he's 45.

Either way, no player should ever be under the same contract in his 40's that he received at his 32. That just isn't smart sports economics.

[s0628711]

Wow, that is just absurd logic.

There isn't one, NOT ONE, big leaguer worth a 10-year contract in baseball anymore, let alone signing him a 32-year-old to a 10-year deal.

A 10-year deal for a 32-year-old at $30M a year would be financial suicide. That'd be an 80-ton albatross around the neck of the franchise.

You extend through 2014 when he'll be 38-39 and that's it.
Exactly, which is why I truly think the Yankees should not cave in and go for this. I think signing him to a ten year deal would be the worst possible option.
i belive he has said that he wants to play until he is 45
:thumbsdow
I think Boras said A-Rod would capable of playing until he's 45.

Either way, no player should ever be under the same contract in his 40's that he received at his 32. That just isn't smart sports economics.
:thumbsup It would be a terrible decision.

[JamesM]

The only thing I like about the Yankees is Joba Chamberlain. Don't ask me why.

[Munford]

He should not!! but I would just retire and enjoy all my money..

[Trippin4136]

The only thing I like about the Yankees is Joba Chamberlain. Don't ask me why.

Hmm...because he's freak nasty? Wait until he starts using his curveball and changeup more.

97-99 fastball. 87-89 slider and then oh yea, he might pull the string and throw you a 74 mph changeup (when he refines it after not throwing it all summer) with great arm speed. :hump

[jmudmbphan]

If Torre goes, look for La Russa to come in

[DmBand801]

Hmm...because he's freak nasty? Wait until he starts using his curveball and changeup more.

97-99 fastball. 87-89 slider and then oh yea, he might pull the string and throw you a 74 mph changeup (when he refines it after not throwing it all summer) with great arm speed. :hump

he makes great AL hitters (tejada, vlad, sheffield, ortiz) look silly with his change of speeds

[crashintome202]

Wow, that is just absurd logic.

There isn't one, NOT ONE, big leaguer worth a 10-year contract in baseball anymore, let alone signing him a 32-year-old to a 10-year deal.

A 10-year deal for a 32-year-old at $30M a year would be financial suicide. That'd be an 80-ton albatross around the neck of the franchise.

You extend through 2014 when he'll be 38-39 and that's it.
losing the best player in baseball because you wasted money on average pitchers over the last 3 years would be much worse logic though it looks like its gonna happen.

[saygdbye4134]

10 year contract?

double digit contracts don't exist anymore. not in this society that is all about instant gratification.

[DMBnick15]

i don't know if this has been said.. but do you think jeter will follow torre?

in that case.. i hope he goes to the cardinals

[s0628711]

i don't know if this has been said.. but do you think jeter will follow torre?

in that case.. i hope he goes to the cardinals
Well, for one thing, he's locked up as it is. And even if the Yankees were to trade him, what would the Cardinals give back???

Jeter's a Yankee for life, no matter what happens to Torre. Unless he sees Mo and Jorge get treated terribly or something absurd happens, then he may walk at the end of his deal.

Still, never gonna happen.

[crashintome202]

i don't know if this has been said.. but do you think jeter will follow torre?

in that case.. i hope he goes to the cardinals
never in a millon years. the day jeter isnt playing SS for the yankees is the day he's watching the games at home

[Trippin4136]

losing the best player in baseball because you wasted money on average pitchers over the last 3 years would be much worse logic though it looks like its gonna happen.

If they don't resign A-Rod, it won't be because they spent money on pitchers. Boras wants to set a precedent that the Yankees have said they won't go along with.

[junior94]

If I was Joe Torre there's absolutely no question in my mind: I'd resign.

How dare Steinbrenner call him out publicly like that with what was essentially an ultimatum. I don't take kindly to those and I don't imagine many other people do either. It was such a show of disrespect. And now I can't believe what I"m hearing today, that they might take him back if he agrees to take a paycut. FUCK YOU, George. You've lost one of the best managers in baseball history because you finally went off the deep end. Also as has been talked about I'm sure here, they're gonna wind up losing certain players with the disgracing of Torre being a significant factor in them not wanting to stay with the team.

And this is not even to mention Brian Cashman. Okay yea I realize that when you really get down to it, major decisions about the team are ultimately up to the owner, but a thing like managerial hires is basically supposed to be a GM move, and Steinbrenner show disrepect to Cashman as well by completely passing over him with that statement.

Get it thru you head George -- you can't win the brass ring literally EVERY YEAR. I don't care how good your team is (though I've never felt the Yankees of the last several years have really been a true "team", merely a collection of players put together), the game of baseball, at least today, is simply not built that way. So you being so overly reactionary like usual is finally gonna bite you in the ass in a way you'll truly feel it.

[junior94]

losing the best player in baseball because you wasted money on average pitchers over the last 3 years would be much worse logic though it looks like its gonna happen.

Now I wasn't back into following baseball yet at the time Rodriguez signed this legendary contract (I had great distaste for several years left over from the '94 strike, it turned me off ALL pro sports for a good 7 or so years), but I think the Rangers weren't really anything even then, where they? My point being that he had to obviously be going 100% for the money, and that's dissapointing, because he couldn't have possibly believed that they had deep playoff aspirations in the very near future after he signed (especially when you corner yourself into not being able to sign OTHER significant players because you're outta money).

10 year contract?

double digit contracts don't exist anymore. not in this society that is all about instant gratification.

I said this at the time of the signing and I'll say it again. There's no doubt in my mind whatsoever that Alfonso Soriano will NOT be a Cub for the full lifetime of that contract. It won't happen. 8 years, right? No way, especially for how much it is. I'd love to see the stat going over the last 10-15 years or so, at any player who received a 5 years or more contract, and how many of those players indeed ended up living out that contract with that team, and not being traded eventually.

[dmblynny]

Steinbrener should start taking his meds again and realize he's still got a keeper in the managerial position. The fucking Yankees can't win a championship every year there, slugger!