Sports you don't consider sports...

[neumdogg]

...and why?

I'm gonna go with golf. Yes, it takes skill, but so does drunk vomiting into a toilet accurately. There is no real exertion of energy!

[mizzoudmbfan]

Poker. Too much luck involved. I realize there is skill used but if you don't get the correct cards you can't win no matter how skillful you are. IMHO.

[cbotnyse]

...and why?

I'm gonna go with golf. Yes, it takes skill, but so does drunk vomiting into a toilet accurately. There is no real exertion of energy!Golf just crosses the borderline as a sport for me. It takes a lot of physical and mental ability to walk a course for 4-5 days in a row and play at the highest level.

Poker. Too much luck involved. I realize there is skill used but if you don't get the correct cards you can't win no matter how skillful you are. IMHO.Poker is not a sport, but over time, luck is not part of it. Any given tournament, sure its a lot of luck. But to win consistently and play poker for a living, takes an incredible amount of skill.

[jcc522]

cheerleading ... NOT a sport

[neumdogg]

Golf just crosses the borderline as a sport for me. It takes a lot of physical and mental ability to walk a course for 4-5 days in a row and play at the highest level.

I don't know if the "walk a course" makes it a sport. I walk. In fact, I walk a lot. Maybe I can be an athlete?

[neumdogg]

cheerleading ... NOT a sport
Hot, but not a sport.

[jcc522]

Hot, but not a sport.


i concur

[SoRight24]

Soccer.

[bothedmbfan]

Hunting/Fishing.

[DMBtheStoned]

Alot of people don't think Nascar is a sport. I'm a big fan and do think its a sport. It just sorta seems like the cool thing to do, bash Nascar. Gonna go ahead and throw that out there before someone else brings it up.

[jcc522]

Hunting/Fishing.


why not

[jcc522]

Alot of people don't think Nascar is a sport. I'm a big fan and do think its a sport. It just sorta seems like the cool thing to do, bash Nascar. Gonna go ahead and throw that out there before someone else brings it up.



+1 it is defanatly a sport

[cruscott35]

Here's my take on it...


http://antsmarching.org/forum/showthread.php?t=183069&highlight=sport

[Hudak-Budak]

Soccer.

I hope this is a joke.

[DMBtheStoned]

+1 it is defanatly a sport

:thumbsup btw its spelled definitely...no worries I spelt it wrong all the time until a couple months ago:lol

[Hudak-Budak]

Track. Anyone can run. My grandmother can run. Does that make her an athlete? No.

[SoRight24]

I hope this is a joke.

:thumbsup

[bothedmbfan]

why not

I can't really explain it, I jsut don't think it qualifies.

[jcc522]

:thumbsup btw its spelled definitely...no worries I spelt it wrong all the time until a couple months ago:lol


fuck you hooked on phonics:lol ... o well haha

[Hudak-Budak]

:thumbsup

Whew. You had me worried there for a second.

[justinandimcool]

Bowling. My buddy rolled his first time the other week, mustered a 226. It takes some skill, but I equate it to poker. Just a game.

[cbotnyse]

I don't know if the "walk a course" makes it a sport. I walk. In fact, I walk a lot. Maybe I can be an athlete?have you ever walked a course before? I have a few times, and I'm tired afterwards, and I am an athletic guy. Try doing in 4 days in a row and play perfect golf. It doesnt compare phyically to the other big sports, but its not as simple as you try to make it sound.

[neumdogg]

Bowling. My buddy rolled his first time the other week, mustered a 226. It takes some skill, but I equate it to poker. Just a game.
I agree. Anything my brother can do well is definitely NOT a sport.

[jcc522]

have you ever walked a course before? I have a few times, and I'm tired afterwards, and I am an athletic guy. Try doing in 4 days in a row and play perfect golf. It doesnt compare phyically to the other big sports, but its not as simple as you try to make it sound.


sunburn is also a factor, sport imo

[neumdogg]

have you ever walked a course before? I have a few times, and I'm tired afterwards, and I am an athletic guy. Try doing in 4 days in a row and play perfect golf. It doesnt compare phyically to the other big sports, but its not as simple as you try to make it sound.
I have been hiking and camping. Walking all day for 4 days. I don't think im being athletic. Im just walking.

[cottlerocket]

Anal Sex...interesting activity but definitely not a sport.

[cbotnyse]

I have been hiking and camping. Walking all day for 4 days. I don't think im being athletic. Im just walking.I understand, but you're also not doing anything that takes any skill at the same time, such as hitting a golf ball.

[Fishbulb290]

I do not think driving a car is a sport. In any facet.

[ChetUbetcha]

The New York Knicks

[bothedmbfan]

The New York Knicks

This is sports, not teams. I would agree with you though.

[jcc522]

This is sports, not teams. I would agree with you though.


beat me to it:haha

[SoRight24]

Whew. You had me worried there for a second.

Yeah, I'm no fan of Soccer, but it most certainly is a sport. :thumbsup

[neumdogg]

I understand, but you're also not doing anything that takes any skill at the same time, such as hitting a golf ball.
I dont know buddy. Trying to have sex everynight after hiking for so long takes skill too!

[cbotnyse]

I dont know buddy. Trying to have sex everynight after hiking for so long takes skill too!http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f21/cbotnyse/post2649.jpg

[DMBtheStoned]

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f21/cbotnyse/post2649.jpg

:lol:lol

[ChetUbetcha]

This is sports, not teams. I would agree with you though.

New York Knicks Basketball.

[DMBZeppelin]

I don't know if the "walk a course" makes it a sport. I walk. In fact, I walk a lot. Maybe I can be an athlete?

Track. Anyone can run. My grandmother can run. Does that make her an athlete? No.
Those statements are just dumb. By that definition weight lifting, the high jump, ect. are the only sports ever. Because if something is too heavy for me. It's quite possible no matter how hard I try to lift something, I'll never be able to.

Does granny have two arms? She might go 0 for 450, but eventually if she swings the bat enough, a fluke hit will happen. Sports are any fun activity basically. What people really call sports are pro sports. For some reason people think active sports only count.

Tiger Woods looks like an athletic guy. Imagine if Brian Urlacher decided to play golf instead of football. He'd probably drive the ball insanely far. As I imagine others could. Just because people see older and out of shape playing golf it doesn't count.

If you take care of your body and are in great shape, you'll be better at any sport. Hell David Wells looked like someone who belonged in a bowling league, not a mound.

[neumdogg]

Those statements are just dumb. By that definition weight lifting, the high jump, ect. are the only sports ever. Because if something is too heavy for me. It's quite possible no matter how hard I try to lift something, I'll never be able to.

Does granny have two arms? She might go 0 for 450, but eventually if she swings the bat enough, a fluke hit will happen. Sports are any fun activity basically. What people really call sports are pro sports. For some reason people think active sports only count.

Tiger Woods looks like an athletic guy. Imagine if Brian Urlacher decided to play golf instead of football. He'd probably drive the ball insanely far. As I imagine others could. Just because people see older and out of shape playing golf it doesn't count.

If you take care of your body and are in great shape, you'll be better at any sport. Hell David Wells looked like someone who belonged in a bowling league, not a mound.
You still havent proven to me how golf is a sport.

[neumdogg]

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f21/cbotnyse/post2649.jpg
That's how I roll!

[rickyh24]

poker isn't a sport...cribbage isn't neither is solitaire so why should poker be one?


however i believe golf is.....

it is as much as nascar anyways

[rickyh24]

golf takes ridiculous hand eye coordination...

[neumdogg]

golf takes ridiculous hand eye coordination...
So do video games....also not a sport.

[Hudak-Budak]

You still havent proven to me how golf is a sport.

You have to walk a lot.

[neumdogg]

You have to walk a lot.
Walking = sport. Got it.

[Fishbulb290]

So do video games....also not a sport.

You see a lot more nerds good at Halo than can shoot -10 at Augusta...

[SoRight24]

For those of you who are dogging golf, have you ever played it?

It's harder than you think.

[rickyh24]

So do video games....also not a sport.




give me a break.....its not even close to the same..

[rickyh24]

For those of you who are dogging golf, have you ever played it?

It's harder than you think.

:thumbsup

plus the overweight argument isn't going to cut it....most golfers are in good shape now...

[neumdogg]

give me a break.....its not even close to the same..
Whether or not its the same, hand eye coordination does not make something a sport. Pool takes extreme hand eye coordination....also not a sport.

[seekupig]

bowling
darts
cheerleading
billiards
spelling bee
poker

[cbotnyse]

what about hunting? is that a sport?

[swampdonkey]

Golf, fishing, hunting, darts, billiards, poker and anything else that doesn't require athleticism.

[seekupig]

what about hunting? is that a sport?

if you're stalking your prey on foot with a bow and arrow, yes.

if you're sitting in a tree stand pounding Busch Light with a rifle, no.

[dmbgodagirl41]

If something has to do the work for you, it's not a sport.

/end thread.

[dmbgodagirl41]

if you're stalking your prey on foot with a bow and arrow, yes.

if you're sitting in a tree stand pounding Busch Light with a rifle, no.

is it sad that whenever i hear someone say "i'm going hunting" THIS is what I think they are really doing?

[neumdogg]

If something has to do the work for you, it's not a sport.

/end thread.
Sweet! Sex is a sport!

[swampdonkey]

if you're stalking your prey on foot with a bow and arrow, yes.

if you're sitting in a tree stand pounding Busch Light with a rifle, no.

Still not a sport. Maybe if you were going close range girzzly bear hunting with one arrow and a knife...THAT would be a sport. Shooting an animal and tracking it while it bleeds to death will never be a sport.

[dmbgodagirl41]

Sweet! Sex is a sport!

Hell yeah it is.

I just wish I could find a guy who isn't a sprinter!

[MPizzle06]

NASCAR, "Cheerleading", and Notre Dame Football

[rickyh24]

if you don't think golf is a sport you probably don't play it

[DMBfan41]

golf sucks, in my opinion. tennis will always be better

[CUTiger41]

Whether or not its the same, hand eye coordination does not make something a sport. Pool takes extreme hand eye coordination....also not a sport.

So baseball is not a sport then.

[neumdogg]

if you don't think golf is a sport you probably don't play it
I don't play it.

And it's not a sport.

[DMBfan41]

and hunting unfortunately is a sport. It is wrong though.

I just will never understand why people feel the need to go hunting, shoot a deer and then have their head on the wall.

You killed a defenseless deer.....congrats?

[neumdogg]

So baseball is not a sport then.
There is a physical aspect to that game. You have to run. You have to make important decisions that have nothing to do with hand eye coordination (stealing bases, where you throw the ball, etc.)

[rickyh24]

I don't play it.

And it's not a sport.



you're wrong

[neumdogg]

you're wrong
I'm very right.

[rickyh24]

There is a physical aspect to that game. You have to run. You have to make important decisions that have nothing to do with hand eye coordination (stealing bases, where you throw the ball, etc.)

yeah cause you dont have to decide where to hit the ball in golf, whether to put a draw or fade on the ball.

you dont think fatigue is an issue in golf??? it is in nascar too try sitting in a car racing that long at extreme temperatures.

[rickyh24]

I'm very right.



:thumbsdow

[neumdogg]

yeah cause you dont have to decide where to hit the ball in golf, whether to put a draw or fade on the ball.

you dont think fatigue is an issue in golf??? it is in nascar too try sitting in a car racing that long at extreme temperatures.
I never said ANYTHING about Nascar.

But this fatigue thing is BS. YOU ARE WALKING. I walk all the time. I get tired of walking, but I do it. In fact, I walk and do things at the same time. That doesnt mean im playing a sport!

[rickyh24]

I never said ANYTHING about Nascar.

But this fatigue thing is BS. YOU ARE WALKING. I walk all the time. I get tired of walking, but I do it. In fact, I walk and do things at the same time. That doesnt mean im playing a sport!



most of the fatigue comes from swinging the club not walking...you do get tired mentally and physically.

[dre2142]

Poker. Too much luck involved. I realize there is skill used but if you don't get the correct cards you can't win no matter how skillful you are. IMHO.

Who claims poker is a sport?

NASCAR is indeed a sport...."Sport is an activity that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often engaged in competitively" Since when does a sport have to involved extreme physical exertion? If you base a sport on that alone, NASCAR, along with other forms of auto racing, surely is a sport.

[rickyh24]

Who claims poker is a sport?



poker is a game...theres really no argument here...is go fish a sport?

[dre2142]

Poker. Too much luck involved. I realize there is skill used but if you don't get the correct cards you can't win no matter how skillful you are. IMHO.

You still havent proven to me how golf is a sport.

Define sport

[CUTiger41]

There is a physical aspect to that game. You have to run. You have to make important decisions that have nothing to do with hand eye coordination (stealing bases, where you throw the ball, etc.)

So if people ran in golf it would be a sport.

[CUTiger41]

Webster: Sport 1 a: a source of diversion : recreation b: sexual play c (1): physical activity engaged in for pleasure (2): a particular activity (as an athletic game) so engaged in

[rickyh24]

So if people ran in golf it would be a sport.

:lol :lol

[neumdogg]

Is cheerleading a sport?

[rickyh24]

Is cheerleading a sport?



is gymnastics? or figure skating?

[dre2142]

I do not think driving a car is a sport. In any facet.

How so? Because you drive a car too?

Again....no one has defined what they consider the definition of "sport" is. Entire thread is pointless without "sport" being defined.

There are many different catagories of sports as well. Motorsports, endurance sports, target sports, etc.

[neumdogg]

is gymnastics? or figure skating?
Don't answer my question with a question....

[rickyh24]

there not just driving they are driving at 200 mph with 40 other cars on the track...

[rickyh24]

Don't answer my question with a question....



:lol

[neumdogg]

Webster: Sport 1 a: a source of diversion : recreation b: sexual play c (1): physical activity engaged in for pleasure (2): a particular activity (as an athletic game) so engaged in
Webster? The midget?

[CUTiger41]

I never said ANYTHING about Nascar.

But this fatigue thing is BS. YOU ARE WALKING. I walk all the time. I get tired of walking, but I do it. In fact, I walk and do things at the same time. That doesnt mean im playing a sport!

Come to Texas for the Byron Nelson and walk 4 days straight for 4-5 hours a day in the heat while making birdies look effortless.

You are simplifying it far too much.

[neumdogg]

:lol
...or a :lol

[rickyh24]

...or a :lol



i dont think cheering on the side lines is a sport, however i think when you are on a competition team and can be considered a sport.

[CUTiger41]

Webster? The midget?

:thumbsup

[rickyh24]

Come to Texas for the Byron Nelson and walk 4 days straight for 4-5 hours a day in the heat while making birdies look effortless.

You are simplifying it far too much.



its easy to say its not a sport when you don't play it....i was one of those people at one point in my life

[neumdogg]

its easy to say its not a sport when you don't play it....i was one of those people at one point in my life
I have MANY friends who play it all the time. Watch it ALL the time. They still think its a hobby.

True, I don't play it, but many people who do, don't consider it a sport.

[dmbgodagirl41]

To me, SPORTS are when you primarily compete against the clock. Running, swimming, cycling, skiing, etc are SPORTS. (exception: wrestling)
GAMES are when you primarily compete against another team or individual. Basketball, Baseball, Football, Golf etc are GAMES.
The hazy in-between thing to me are those where how well you do is based on scoring system that is up to other humans. Gymnastics, Figure skating, diving, etc are in the "hazy" realm for me. yeah, they are sports, because it is a competition, but I would hate to do a sport where if someone was in a pissy mood, they could be the reason I lose.

Now TECHNICALLY if you can make a competition out of it and people enjoy doing it, it's a sport. whether you like it or not, ALMOST anything can be a sport.

NASCAR is hazy to me. yeah, it takes endurance with the heat and shit, but you dont see people seeing if they can sit in a sauna for 8 hours.

[dre2142]

To me, SPORTS are when you primarily compete against the clock. Running, swimming, cycling, skiing, etc are SPORTS. (exception: wrestling)
GAMES are when you primarily compete against another team or individual. Basketball, Baseball, Football, Golf etc are GAMES.
The hazy in-between thing to me are those where how well you do is based on scoring system that is up to other humans. Gymnastics, Figure skating, diving, etc are in the "hazy" realm for me. yeah, they are sports, because it is a competition, but I would hate to do a sport where if someone was in a pissy mood, they could be the reason I lose.

Now TECHNICALLY if you can make a competition out of it and people enjoy doing it, it's a sport. whether you like it or not, ALMOST anything can be a sport.

NASCAR is hazy to me. yeah, it takes endurance with the heat and shit, but you dont see people seeing if they can sit in a sauna for 8 hours.

So youre saying football isnt a sport?

[neumdogg]

So youre saying football isnt a sport?
Yes.

She is also saying Tom Brady is a girlie man!

[dre2142]

I have MANY friends who play it all the time. Watch it ALL the time. They still think its a hobby.

True, I don't play it, but many people who do, don't consider it a sport.

You still havent stated what you consider a sport.....define sport.

[dmbgodagirl41]

So youre saying football isnt a sport?

well, it is by definition (the whole "competition that one partakes in") but have you ever asked someone if they are "going to the game"?

[dmbgodagirl41]

Yes.

She is also saying Tom Brady is a girlie man!

ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

















your mom. :D

[rickyh24]

well, it is by definition (the whole "competition that one partakes in") but have you ever asked someone if they are "going to the game"?



are we supposed to say "going to the sport?"

[dre2142]

well, it is by definition (the whole "competition that one partakes in") but have you ever asked someone if they are "going to the game"?

A game can be sport...a sport can be a game

[dmbgodagirl41]

are we supposed to say "going to the sport?"

no, I mean that I just see baseball, basketball, football, hockey, etc as Games. yeah, they are a form of sport, but I was trying to differentiate in my mind for everyone that I see something like swimming and baseball as different kinds of sports.

[CUTiger41]

I have MANY friends who play it all the time. Watch it ALL the time. They still think its a hobby.

True, I don't play it, but many people who do, don't consider it a sport.
To them it's a hobby but that's doesn't mean it's not a sport.

[rickyh24]

To them it's a hobby but that's doesn't mean it's not a sport.

:thumbsup

[CUTiger41]

no, I mean that I just see baseball, basketball, football, hockey, etc as Games. yeah, they are a form of sport, but I was trying to differentiate in my mind for everyone that I see something like swimming and baseball as different kinds of sports.

A sport is a game but a game is not necessarily a sport.

[dmbgodagirl41]

A sport is a game but a game is not necessarily a sport.

Swimming is not a game.

[mizzoudmbfan]

Who claims poker is a sport?

I don't, that is why I posted it here. Plenty of people(mainly people that play it) do consider it a sport. ESPN and Fox Sports Network devot many hours of programming towards poker.

[dmbgodagirl41]

I turned ESPN on last year and they had DOMINOS on. DOMINOS.

good christ.

[cruscott35]

I don't, that is why I posted it here. Plenty of people(mainly people that play it) do consider it a sport. ESPN and Fox Sports Network devot many hours of programming towards poker.



I play it religiously, and do not think its a sport at all.

[CUTiger41]

Swimming is not a game.

Didn't realize you took it that seriously. Yikes...

[dmbgodagirl41]

Didn't realize you took it that seriously. Yikes...

Well, if people are trying to seriously discuss the difference between the two....:confused

[cruscott35]

OK, here's the thing about golf...No one is stopping you from achieving your goal of shooting the lowest possible score. Your opponents have no direct effect on your final score. Therefore, it is not a sport.

[CUTiger41]

Well, if people are trying to seriously discuss the difference between the two....:confused

We must first define the parameters, otherwise this "debate" everyone is having is pointless.

[dmbgodagirl41]

We must first define the parameters, otherwise this "debate" everyone is having is pointless.

I did define them....nevermind.

[CUTiger41]

OK, here's the thing about golf...No one is stopping you from achieving your goal of shooting the lowest possible score. Your opponents have no direct effect on your final score. Therefore, it is not a sport.

So, there must be forceful opposition impeading the end result for an activity to be considered a sport? This logic rules out most of the Olympics.

[cruscott35]

So, there must be forceful opposition impeading the end result for an activity to be considered a sport? This logic rules out most of the Olympics.

Oh, I know, and I'm ok with that...Those things which are athletic but do not have an active opposition are competitions, not sports.

[rickyh24]

OK, here's the thing about golf...No one is stopping you from achieving your goal of shooting the lowest possible score. Your opponents have no direct effect on your final score. Therefore, it is not a sport.



you just defined "team sport" not "sport" there are many factors in golf that are stopping you from achieving your goal.

so what about match play?

or the skins game?

or the presidents cup?

[CUTiger41]

I did define them....nevermind.

I guess ESPN should have GamesCenter too.

[cruscott35]

you just defined "team sport" not "sport" there are many factors in golf that are stopping you from achieving your goal.

so what about match play?

or the skins game?

or the presidents cup?

Where did I mention team in that??? One on one basketball = sport.

Also, in none of those events did you mention is your opponent actively achieving you from accruing the lowest possible score. When Fred Couples can stand in front of the green defending a Tiger Woods approach shot, I'll consider it a sport.

[CUTiger41]

Where did I mention team in that??? One on one basketball = sport.

Also, in none of those events did you mention is your opponent actively achieving you from accruing the lowest possible score. When Fred Couples can stand in front of the green defending a Tiger Woods approach shot, I'll consider it a sport.

When everyone can score a -10 at Augusta, I'll consider it a hobby.

[rickyh24]

Where did I mention team in that??? One on one basketball = sport.

Also, in none of those events did you mention is your opponent actively achieving you from accruing the lowest possible score. When Fred Couples can stand in front of the green defending a Tiger Woods approach shot, I'll consider it a sport.

when you stopping making comments like this i will value your opinion

[cruscott35]

When everyone can score a -10 at Augusta, I'll consider it a hobby.


Why does everyone think because I don't consider it a sport, I don't think it's hard or takes talent? Every fucking time we have this talk, someone brings that up. I can't build a ship in a bottle, doesn't make it a sport. What about playing guitar? Is that a sport? Not everyone can do it, must be a sport. Spelling bee? Is that a sport? Fly a plane? I could go on and on, get a better argument.

[cruscott35]

when you stopping making comments like this i will value your opinion


So basically anything you can compete at is a sport? There has to be some sort of division between competitions and sports, otherwise you end up with hot dog eating contests considered sports.

What's the difference to you? I bet mine has a lot less gray area than yours.

[UNC41]

To me, SPORTS are when you primarily compete against the clock. Running, swimming, cycling, skiing, etc are SPORTS. (exception: wrestling)

But you aren't competiting against the clock in any of these sports. The only thing that matters in those four sports is where you finish, not what time you finish in.

[cruscott35]

But you aren't competiting against the clock in any of these sports. The only thing that matters in those four sports is where you finish, not what time you finish in.


I believe they are competitions...There are no gray areas in my definition, which is why it should be adopted.

[CUTiger41]

I believe they are competitions...There are no gray areas in my definition, which is why it should be adopted.

:lol :thumbsdow

[ISU1648]

gymnastics, figure skating, and the BCS

anytime VOTING decides the champion....it's not a sport

[jcc522]

and hunting unfortunately is a sport. It is wrong though.

I just will never understand why people feel the need to go hunting, shoot a deer and then have their head on the wall.

You killed a defenseless deer.....congrats?


Are you serious? Let me guess, you don't hunt. Hunting is more than shooting a deer just to put its head on the wall. Do you have any idea what our world would be with out hunting? Deer for example, if we all took a deer season off, there would be so many deer running around, you wouldnt be able to drive around without hitting them, there would be so much compitition amung the deer that they would start eating lots and lots of crops. Hunters usually eat their kill. Hunting is more than killing a defenseless deer for its head.

[seekupig]

Are you serious? Let me guess, you don't hunt. Hunting is more than shooting a deer just to put its head on the wall. Do you have any idea what our world would be with out hunting? Deer for example, if we all took a deer season off, there would be so many deer running around, you wouldnt be able to drive around without hitting them, there would be so much compitition amung the deer that they would start eating lots and lots of crops. Hunters usually eat their kill. Hunting is more than killing a defenseless deer for its head.

i have yet to meet a hunter that was in it for highway safety.... :rolleyes

[Fishbulb290]

i have yet to meet a hunter that was in it for highway safety.... :rolleyes

It's all about population control. They kill the animals to protect everyone else.

It makes PERFECT sense.:BANG

[Munford]

Alot of people don't think Nascar is a sport. I'm a big fan and do think its a sport. It just sorta seems like the cool thing to do, bash Nascar. Gonna go ahead and throw that out there before someone else brings it up.

I go to Talladega twice a year. Everyone needs to go, its amazing..

[jcc522]

don't talk bad about deer hunting if you have never done it

[heff77]

I am still confused on how people don't think golf is a sport......explain that to me.

[seekupig]

don't talk bad about deer hunting if you have never done it

pedophiles use the same argument.....

[cruscott35]

I am still confused on how people don't think golf is a sport......explain that to me.


Because no one is stopping you but yourself...Nothing any other golfer does affects what Tiger does. He is competing against himself, really.

[seekupig]

Because no one is stopping you but yourself...Nothing any other golfer does affects what Tiger does. He is competing against himself, really.

so using this logic, only team sports are truly sports? just because someone can't physically touch you doesn't make it any less of a sport. it just makes it a non-contact sport.

[cruscott35]

so using this logic, only team sports are truly sports? just because someone can't physically touch you doesn't make it any less of a sport. it just makes it a non-contact sport.


No, one on one basketball, as I stated before, is an example of a individual sport. Baseball is a non contact sport. Contact isn't required in making it a sport.

Why should golf be included? Maybe then I can see your point. Keep in mind that if you include golf, you'll have to include many other things that I'm sure even you will not consider sports.

[seekupig]

No, one on one basketball, as I stated before, is an example of a individual sport. Baseball is a non contact sport. Contact isn't required in making it a sport.

Why should golf be included? Maybe then I can see your point. Keep in mind that if you include golf, you'll have to include many other things that I'm sure even you will not consider sports.

tell that to the catcher covering home plate when someone is sliding in, cleats up.

[cruscott35]

tell that to the catcher covering home plate when someone is sliding in, cleats up.


So why should golf be considered again???

[rickyh24]

I can understand why many feel golf isn’t a sport. According to wikipedia as you sited a sport has physical, aspects as well as rules and competition. I think there is no denying by anyone of the last two, however, although not physical in the way of other sports golf requires a great deal of coordination, timing, and control in order to play at a high competitive level. Many say that it is not a sport because old men play it but plenty of old men play other sports. I feel that golf is played as both a sport and hobby. The old man on the course is not an athlete, just as the old on the courts or field is not an athlete, but those who work hard daily to tune the swing which contains more moving parts then a baseball swing, or jumpshot, as well as tune their bodies such as me and my collegiate teammates, and those playing at a higher level than us are indeed athletes playing a sport.


--found that on google

[CUTiger41]

So why should golf be considered again???

It's you versus the elements (ie. course, wind, rain, heat), using your skills, be it mentally and physically, to get the lowest score in a competitive environment. You assume there are no opposing forces in golf because a HUMAN is not trying to stop your golfball from reaching the cup. The elements are your opposing force - sandtraps, water, high grass, wind, terrain, (beer :D ) etc. That is what you are up against. There are things you must think about outside of simply hitting a ball, ie. wind direction and speed, slope of the terrain, speed of the green, etc. Not only that, but you must play several shots ahead to give your self the next possible shot. Just like setting up for the winning field goal. It's take precision. And if you think it's not phyisical, play 18 holes 4 days straight and get back to me.

Whether you like it or not, golf is a sport.

[heff77]

So why should golf be considered again???


It takes more skill to hit a 200 yrd drive straight than it does to make a 3 pointer, or to hit a baseball. I think your logic is very flawed. A sport is anything that requires physical output, therefore poker is not a sport. I think if you would play golf you may change your stance.

[heff77]

It's you versus the elements (ie. course, wind, rain, heat), using your skills, be it mentally and physically, to get the lowest score in a competitive environment. You assume there are no opposing forces in golf because a HUMAN is not trying to stop your golfball from reaching the cup. The elements are your opposing force - sandtraps, water, high grass, wind, terrain, (beer :D ) etc. That is what you are up against. There are things you must think about outside of simply hitting a ball, ie. wind direction and speed, slope of the terrain, speed of the green, etc. Not only that, but you must play several shots ahead to give your self the next possible shot. Just like setting up for the winning field goal. It's take precision. And if you think it's not phyisical, play 18 holes 4 days straight and get back to me.

Whether you like it or not, golf is a sport.


Very well said, I agree 100%:thumbsup

[rickyh24]

It's you versus the elements (ie. course, wind, rain, heat), using your skills, be it mentally and physically, to get the lowest score in a competitive environment. You assume there are no opposing forces in golf because a HUMAN is not trying to stop your golfball from reaching the cup. The elements are your opposing force - sandtraps, water, high grass, wind, terrain, (beer :D ) etc. That is what you are up against. There are things you must think about outside of simply hitting a ball, ie. wind direction and speed, slope of the terrain, speed of the green, etc. Not only that, but you must play several shots ahead to give your self the next possible shot. Just like setting up for the winning field goal. It's take precision. And if you think it's not phyisical, play 18 holes 4 days straight and get back to me.

Whether you like it or not, golf is a sport.


:thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup

[rickyh24]

It takes more skill to hit a 200 yrd drive straight than it does to make a 3 pointer, or to hit a baseball. I think your logic is very flawed. A sport is anything that requires physical output, therefore poker is not a sport. I think if you would play golf you may change your stance.



the golf swing as a whole is so much harder to master than a baseball swing or anything else...

[rickyh24]

so golf is a hobby like stamp collecting??? i dont think so.

[cruscott35]

It takes more skill to hit a 200 yrd drive straight than it does to make a 3 pointer, or to hit a baseball. I think your logic is very flawed. A sport is anything that requires physical output, therefore poker is not a sport. I think if you would play golf you may change your stance.


Playing guitar takes skill...Masturbating quickly takes skill and physical exertion, if we have a jerking off contest, is that a sport? Just because something takes skill doesn't make it a sport...What if there was a 3 day long Halo 3 contest, is that a sport?

[heff77]

so golf is a hobby like stamp collecting??? i dont think so.


I think it can be a hobby as well as a sport, but that does not mean that all hobbies are sports like you said stamp collecting.

[heff77]

Playing guitar takes skill...Masturbating quickly takes skill and physical exertion, if we have a jerking off contest, is that a sport? Just because something takes skill doesn't make it a sport...What if there was a 3 day long Halo 3 contest, is that a sport?



You are missing the point because you want to be right so bad.

[seekupig]

...What if there was a 3 day long Halo 3 contest, is that a sport?

no.

but a three day long Dance, Dance Revolution contest on the other hand.... :eek

[cruscott35]

You are missing the point because you want to be right so bad.


I'm not missing the point at all...It's hard, it takes skill, it involves hand eye coordination, and it can be physically demanding...I love golf, love to watch it, love getting frustrated playing it, but nothing you can do has any affect on me. This, to me, is the key element of sport.

[seekupig]

I'm not missing the point at all...It's hard, it takes skill, it involves hand eye coordination, and it can be physically demanding...I love golf, love to watch it, love getting frustrated playing it, but nothing you can do has any affect on me. This, to me, is the key element of sport.

what about the mental toughness involved in sports? if you walk up to the green on 18 tied and your playing partner knocks down a put for birdie leaving you with a 30 footer to force a playoff, wouldn't you consider that someone having an "affect on you?"

[cruscott35]

what about the mental toughness involved in sports? if you walk up to the green on 18 tied and your playing partner knocks down a put for birdie leaving you with a 30 footer to force a playoff, wouldn't you consider that someone having an "affect on you?"


No, mental affects don't matter...If you include golf, you have to, by the same rules you used for golf, include a 4 day long Halo 3 tourney.

[seekupig]

No, mental affects don't matter...If you include golf, you have to, by the same rules you used for golf, include a 4 day long Halo 3 tourney.

ok, gamer. it's obvious i can't compete with a red bull chugging, thumb glove owning, cyber-champ like you.... so i'll concede. you win. :)

[heff77]

No, mental affects don't matter...If you include golf, you have to, by the same rules you used for golf, include a 4 day long Halo 3 tourney.


But the only things being used in a Halo tourny are your ass, fingers and eyes. I don't get it?:ugh

[cruscott35]

ok, gamer. it's obvious i can't compete with a red bull chugging, thumb glove owning, cyber-champ like you.... so i'll concede. you win. :)


Never played Halo, the only games I own are sports games, and Pirates...I'm just saying, it takes hand eye coordination, it takes skill, and it can be exhausting.

[dmbphan041]

gaming, poker

[rickyh24]

Playing guitar takes skill...Masturbating quickly takes skill and physical exertion, if we have a jerking off contest, is that a sport? Just because something takes skill doesn't make it a sport...What if there was a 3 day long Halo 3 contest, is that a sport?

you are completey right :ugh :rolleyes

[DMBZeppelin]

Why does everyone think because I don't consider it a sport, I don't think it's hard or takes talent? Every fucking time we have this talk, someone brings that up. I can't build a ship in a bottle, doesn't make it a sport. What about playing guitar? Is that a sport? Not everyone can do it, must be a sport. Spelling bee? Is that a sport? Fly a plane? I could go on and on, get a better argument.
Why would you bring up playing guitar? Nike isn't going to ink a guitar player to a mega deal. Something like playing guitar and piano have no relations to sports, and you sound retarded for using it as an example.
Playing guitar takes skill...Masturbating quickly takes skill and physical exertion, if we have a jerking off contest, is that a sport? Just because something takes skill doesn't make it a sport...What if there was a 3 day long Halo 3 contest, is that a sport?
You're being retarded here, and I think you know this. By your terms then something like shopping the day after Thanksgiving is the ultimate sport. People spend hours getting ready. Doors open and they RUN! I know how it has to involve run. I've heard of many fights occuring. This can turn into a physical matter. I guess these soccer moms just have that competitive drive you're looking for.
Never played Halo, the only games I own are sports games, and Pirates...I'm just saying, it takes hand eye coordination, it takes skill, and it can be exhausting.
I love Madden as much as the next guy, but exhausting? Wow.

[DMBZeppelin]

It's you versus the elements (ie. course, wind, rain, heat), using your skills, be it mentally and physically, to get the lowest score in a competitive environment. You assume there are no opposing forces in golf because a HUMAN is not trying to stop your golfball from reaching the cup. The elements are your opposing force - sandtraps, water, high grass, wind, terrain, (beer :D ) etc. That is what you are up against. There are things you must think about outside of simply hitting a ball, ie. wind direction and speed, slope of the terrain, speed of the green, etc. Not only that, but you must play several shots ahead to give your self the next possible shot. Just like setting up for the winning field goal. It's take precision. And if you think it's not phyisical, play 18 holes 4 days straight and get back to me.

Whether you like it or not, golf is a sport.
:thumbsup I'd like to see Cruscott reply to this.

[mizzoudmbfan]

Why would you bring up playing guitar? Nike isn't going to ink a guitar player to a mega deal. Something like playing guitar and piano have no relations to sports, and you sound retarded for using it as an example.

You're being retarded here, and I think you know this. By your terms then something like shopping the day after Thanksgiving is the ultimate sport. People spend hours getting ready. Doors open and they RUN! I know how it has to involve run. I've heard of many fights occuring. This can turn into a physical matter. I guess these soccer moms just have that competitive drive you're looking for.

I love Madden as much as the next guy, but exhausting? Wow.

I think you just missed his ENTIRE point.

[cruscott35]

Here's my myspace blog about it.



First, the qualifying factors...

1) Requires being athletic. Not to say that you have to be the best athlete to do it, so lay off all you baseball haters, but regardless, things in baseball require athleticism.

2) Requires hand eye coordination, or for the sake of soccer foot eye.

3) No machines (sorry moto anything, you're not a sport)

4) Someone or some team has to be actively trying to impede your goal. This is the most important rule and one that disqualifies most things that people may consider sports. Running really fast before you do so you get mentally pumped or whatever does not qualify as actively impeding.

Now what the sports are, and what aren't.

ARE: Baseball, Hockey, Football, Basketball, Soccer (even though I hate it), Rugby, Cricket, I could go on and on.

ARE NOT: Cross country, track and field, poker, golf, bowling, competitive eating, gymnastics, cheerleading, swimming, Tour de Lance (sorry Jason and JB), moto anything, including NASCAR, and again, I can go on and on.

I'm not saying those things aren't hard or take skill, it's just that no one is stopping you but yourself, and don't give me the drafting thing in Tour de Lance, all of his teammates were doped up anyway.

[cruscott35]

:thumbsup I'd like to see Cruscott reply to this.


Because the wind, sand traps, trees, etc don't give a fuck how you shoot. They aren't trying to stop you, they are just doing what they do. They are set up by humans who's only objective is to make the most challenging course possible.

[gocubsgo3822]

cross country

[dmbgodagirl41]

Here's my myspace blog about it.



First, the qualifying factors...

1) Requires being athletic. Not to say that you have to be the best athlete to do it, so lay off all you baseball haters, but regardless, things in baseball require athleticism.

2) Requires hand eye coordination, or for the sake of soccer foot eye.

3) No machines (sorry moto anything, you're not a sport)

4) Someone or some team has to be actively trying to impede your goal. This is the most important rule and one that disqualifies most things that people may consider sports. Running really fast before you do so you get mentally pumped or whatever does not qualify as actively impeding.

Now what the sports are, and what aren't.

ARE: Baseball, Hockey, Football, Basketball, Soccer (even though I hate it), Rugby, Cricket, I could go on and on.

ARE NOT: Cross country, track and field, poker, golf, bowling, competitive eating, gymnastics, cheerleading, swimming, Tour de Lance (sorry Jason and JB), moto anything, including NASCAR, and again, I can go on and on.

I'm not saying those things aren't hard or take skill, it's just that no one is stopping you but yourself, and don't give me the drafting thing in Tour de Lance, all of his teammates were doped up anyway.

:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
running/swimming are more sports than baseball, if you're going to get nit-picky. I'm sorry. If you can be the size of a sumo wrestler and still do well in a sport just because you can throw a ball at 99 mph....and then you have another where you have to literally be in the BEST shape you have ever been in to perform well. No contest.

[cruscott35]

:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
running/swimming are more sports than baseball, if you're going to get nit-picky. I'm sorry. If you can be the size of a sumo wrestler and still do well in a sport just because you can throw a ball at 99 mph....and then you have another where you have to literally be in the BEST shape you have ever been in to perform well. No contest.


It has nothing to do with how in shape you are. It's not hard to understand where I'm coming from, people just choose not to because their sport isn't included.

[dmbgodagirl41]

It has nothing to do with how in shape you are. It's not hard to understand where I'm coming from, people just choose not to because their sport isn't included.

wait, I thought swimming wasn't a sport? So now you call it a sport? my sport isn't included?

I think you think sports, and I think those are games.

How would you qualify something like swimming or running, then? fun activities that you just do in your spare time for no reason other than to personally improve yourself.....?

[cruscott35]

wait, I thought swimming wasn't a sport? So now you call it a sport? my sport isn't included?

I think you think sports, and I think those are games.

How would you qualify something like swimming or running, then? fun activities that you just do in your spare time for no reason other than to personally improve yourself.....?


I would classify them as athletic competitions, which isn't a sport...See, what I'm trying to do here is make a clear line so that sports can be defined...In order to do that, you need rules, and you have to follow those rules. In order to not include every competition or anything that can cause you to work up a sweat, I haven't included running/swimming/etc for reasons outlined above.

[CUTiger41]

First, the qualifying factors...

1) Requires being athletic. Not to say that you have to be the best athlete to do it, so lay off all you baseball haters, but regardless, things in baseball require athleticism.


Again, 18 holes, 4-5 hours, for 4 days is grueling and isn't an easy task while still being on the top of your game. It may not seem difficult when your friends play a few hours every few months, but at the professional level it's not fun.


2) Requires hand eye coordination, or for the sake of soccer foot eye.


Required in golf.


3) No machines (sorry moto anything, you're not a sport)


Check.


4) Someone or some team has to be actively trying to impede your goal. This is the most important rule and one that disqualifies most things that people may consider sports. Running really fast before you do so you get mentally pumped or whatever does not qualify as actively impeding.


You stated course obstacles are "set up by humans who's only objective is to make the most challenging course possible" which is the same as a goalie, a defender, a catcher, etc. The course was designed specifically to "impede your goal". Every sandtrap, lake, tree, slope, dogleg, fast green, etc is the defender impedeing (ie, to interfere with or slow the progress of) your objective of getting to the cup. Just because it's not as obvious as a goalie, does not mean something isn't "actively trying to impede your goal."

[cruscott35]

But you're not competing against the people who designed the course, you're competing against other golfers, and nothing Phil does has any effect on Tiger.

[CUTiger41]

But you're not competing against the people who designed the course, you're competing against other golfers, and nothing Phil does has any effect on Tiger.

Technically you are. You are playing a course they designed specifically to stop you or "impede your goal", as you put it. A golfer is, in affect, challenging the designer of the course. Every player is doing so and the player who defeats the course the best (ie, lowest score) wins. Why do you think they are lengthening courses? Players are getting stronger and hitting further, thereby making course designers change designs, which, inturn, is there way of challenging the golfers.

In golf's simplest form, it's the course designer versus the golfer. It's not as clear cut as a running back versus a linebacker or a forward versus a goalie but it's the same concept.

[dmbgodagirl41]

I would classify them as athletic competitions, which isn't a sport...See, what I'm trying to do here is make a clear line so that sports can be defined...In order to do that, you need rules, and you have to follow those rules. In order to not include every competition or anything that can cause you to work up a sweat, I haven't included running/swimming/etc for reasons outlined above.

so are you defining athletes? Like, I get what you're saying...but I just think you're off. Or maybe we define "sports" differently.

[UNC41]

Technically you are. You are playing a course they designed specifically to stop you or "impede your goal", as you put it. A golfer is, in affect, challenging the designer of the course. Every player is doing so and the player who defeats the course the best (ie, lowest score) wins. Why do you think they are lengthening courses? Players are getting stronger and hitting further, thereby making course designers change designs, which, inturn, is there way of challenging the golfers.

In golf's simplest form, it's the course designer versus the golfer. It's not as clear cut as a running back versus a linebacker or a forward versus a goalie but it's the same concept.

The problem with his definition, no matter how set in stone he wants it to be, is the definition of the word goal. There is no "goal" in baseball. Your goal is to cross the plate more times than the other team. Similarly, your goal in golf is to complete X number of holes in less strokes than everyone else. Your goal in running is to complete the distance faster than anyone else. Other participants are definitely impeding your goal by attempting to use less strokes or win the race by running a faster time.

[SoRight24]

I love watching the swimming in the Summer Olympics.

It is teh shit.

[CUTiger41]

The problem with his definition, no matter how set in stone he wants it to be, is the definition of the word goal. There is no "goal" in baseball. Your goal is to cross the plate more times than the other team. Similarly, your goal in golf is to complete X number of holes in less strokes than everyone else. Your goal in running is to complete the distance faster than anyone else. Other participants are definitely impeding your goal by attempting to use less strokes or win the race by running a faster time.

Exactly. That's another way to look at "impede your goal".

[dmbgodagirl41]

I love watching the swimming in the Summer Olympics.

It is teh shit.

sarcasm?

if not sarcasm, why? I agree, it's my favorite olympic sport to watch, but that's cuz I am a former swimmer and know some people that compete :lol

[SoRight24]

sarcasm?

if not sarcasm, why? I agree, it's my favorite olympic sport to watch, but that's cuz I am a former swimmer and know some people that compete :lol

Nope, no sarcasm at all. :thumbsup

[dmbgodagirl41]

Nope, no sarcasm at all. :thumbsup

well, that's cool. I didn't know if you just liked seeing the girls in the suits :lol

My high school women's team used to always win states every year, and we always had lots of guys from our HS come out to watch the meets. I never really understood why there were so many guys at our meets, because swimming isn't exactly an action-packed sport to watch, but a few years later, I put it together that it was an oportunity to see hundreds of pretty-much naked girls for free.

:lol oh, boys.

[UNC41]

I love watching the swimming in the Summer Olympics.

It is teh shit.

I'm a women's gymnastics fan.

[SoRight24]

I'm a women's gymnastics fan.

Me too.

Not just because of the girls, I just think its entertaining.

[SoRight24]

well, that's cool. I didn't know if you just liked seeing the girls in the suits :lol

My high school women's team used to always win states every year, and we always had lots of guys from our HS come out to watch the meets. I never really understood why there were so many guys at our meets, because swimming isn't exactly an action-packed sport to watch, but a few years later, I put it together that it was an oportunity to see hundreds of pretty-much naked girls for free.

:lol oh, boys.

They wanted to get a shot at you're huge knockers. :lol

[dmbgodagirl41]

They wanted to get a shot at you're huge knockers. :lol

I didn't have large breasts when I swam; I was about a high B/low C cup. My freshman 10-15 went completely to my chest, THANK YOU. :)

It's very hard to have large boobs when your body fat percentage is about 11%.

[GavMan33]

Wow, when I saw this thread title, I figured this would be a free-for-all :lol

My first thought is I can't believe someone is saying Halo 3 is a sport. That's a bad hit.

I like 4 sports; basketball, baseball, football, and golf. I consider all 4 sports. But there are plenty more that I can't stand. I agree with Katie :eek that swimming is absolutely a sport. You have to be in tremendous shape to swim. Gymnastics, I have to think is a sport; you have to be extremely athletic and limber. You have to have competition. I think all of those sports have competition.

[dmbgodagirl41]

Wow, when I saw this thread title, I figured this would be a free-for-all :lol

My first thought is I can't believe someone is saying Halo 3 is a sport. That's a bad hit.

I like 4 sports; basketball, baseball, football, and golf. I consider all 4 sports. But there are plenty more that I can't stand. I agree with Katie :eek that swimming is absolutely a sport. You have to be in tremendous shape to swim. Gymnastics, I have to think is a sport; you have to be extremely athletic and limber. You have to have competition. I think all of those sports have competition.
Dude, I am a total athlete: my madden team is undefeated. what do you think of THAT?!

And yeah, clearly someone who says that swimming, running, etc are not sports...has never participated in any of those non-sports.

[dmbphan041]

Amen. and gymnastics most definitely is a sport. I used to compete and training fucking SUCKED. It was soooo tough.

[dmbgodagirl41]

Amen. and gymnastics most definitely is a sport. I used to compete and training fucking SUCKED. It was soooo tough.

I always feel bad for gymnastics people or figure skating....how well they 'do' is based a lot on how the judges feel like being that day :(

[41ravens]

nascar is pretty much the only thing i don't consider a sport.

[seekupig]

nascar is pretty much the only thing i don't consider a sport.

i like nascar, but i agree that it's not a sport. that falls in the entertainment category in my book...

[CrushinPIG38]

cruscott35 keeps pushing the fact that the actions of other golfers have no effect on the other golfers as a main reason golf is not a sport. IMO, that is simply wrong. In competitive golf, when paired in a 2-3 player group, the play of the other players has a dramatic effect on your individual game. If a player is being extremely aggressive, and making birdies as a result, a player will have to adjust. If Tiger is seeing Fred Funk put it down fairways at 90% and getting up and down in two, Tiger will be forced to but away the driver and tee off with a iron to minimize risk. If a golfer is looking at the scoreboard and sees they are down by 2 with three holes to go, they will take chances in trying to get a birdie that they wouldn't take otherwise. If a golfer misreads a putt, they give the person putting behind them on the same line a huge advantage in seeing the path of the ball. Simply put the actions of other golfers in a 4 day tourny, have a gigatic effect on the different players.


This along with the mental focus, the reading of the entire hole, for every shot, mother nature, the physical aspect (Swing and walk combined is not easy to keep up after 4 days in 80-90+ degree heat), and the competition aspect make it a sport.

So my definition of a sport:

Competitive activity vs. specific opponents

Physical Activity which involves the movement of ones body in an athletic manner.

Set Rules and Regulations

General body coordination/hand eye coordination

[cruscott35]

Dude, I am a total athlete: my madden team is undefeated. what do you think of THAT?!

And yeah, clearly someone who says that swimming, running, etc are not sports...has never participated in any of those non-sports.


No, I ran track my senior year on days we didn't have baseball games. Again, just cause something is tough and you work up a sweat doing it, doesn't change the fact that no matter how fast you swim, Katie, you can't do anything physically to slow me down.

Same thing in golf, nobody can do anything physically to stop you from getting a birdie but yourself.

[sunshower]

Bowling. My buddy rolled his first time the other week, mustered a 226. It takes some skill, but I equate it to poker. Just a game.
I know some supremely fat people who break a sweat while bowling. To some, it might be considered a sport. :cool

Up until I read this thread, I never knew anyone considered poker a sport.

[dmbgodagirl41]

No, I ran track my senior year on days we didn't have baseball games. Again, just cause something is tough and you work up a sweat doing it, doesn't change the fact that no matter how fast you swim, Katie, you can't do anything physically to slow me down.

Same thing in golf, nobody can do anything physically to stop you from getting a birdie but yourself.

but like, if you have to qualify for something, and in order for you to do that, you have to come in the top 2 or whatever...wouldn't two people beating you stop you from getting that?

maybe i'm just not following correctly or getting what you're saying exactly...

[DMBZeppelin]

Here's my myspace blog about it.



First, the qualifying factors...

1) Requires being athletic. Not to say that you have to be the best athlete to do it, so lay off all you baseball haters, but regardless, things in baseball require athleticism.

2) Requires hand eye coordination, or for the sake of soccer foot eye.

3) No machines (sorry moto anything, you're not a sport)

4) Someone or some team has to be actively trying to impede your goal. This is the most important rule and one that disqualifies most things that people may consider sports. Running really fast before you do so you get mentally pumped or whatever does not qualify as actively impeding.

Now what the sports are, and what aren't.

ARE: Baseball, Hockey, Football, Basketball, Soccer (even though I hate it), Rugby, Cricket, I could go on and on.

ARE NOT: Cross country, track and field, poker, golf, bowling, competitive eating, gymnastics, cheerleading, swimming, Tour de Lance (sorry Jason and JB), moto anything, including NASCAR, and again, I can go on and on.

I'm not saying those things aren't hard or take skill, it's just that no one is stopping you but yourself, and don't give me the drafting thing in Tour de Lance, all of his teammates were doped up anyway.
Well call up Ben Stiller and the boys because Dodgeball is now a sport. There's a defense, an offense, someone trying to stop you, no machines, and you have to have good hand eye to aim.

[DMBZeppelin]

No, I ran track my senior year on days we didn't have baseball games. Again, just cause something is tough and you work up a sweat doing it, doesn't change the fact that no matter how fast you swim, Katie, you can't do anything physically to slow me down.

Same thing in golf, nobody can do anything physically to stop you from getting a birdie but yourself.
But there's the mental battle that's common in ANY sport. A stud pitcher's confidence may waiver after someone keeps fouling off their best pitches. Well what do you think happens if a guy keeps sinking in birdies, but doesn't get seperation? I'm sorry someone needs to take a 9 iron to the knee to make golf a sport.

You ever see The Greatest Game Ever Played? You may enjoy it, even though it's a golf movie. One of the golfers puts his ball in front of Shia LaBeouf's, that way Shia would need to take 2 strokes to get around the ball. Does he do it? Or is he crazy enough to try and chip shot it? Find out in the movie, about a game that may or may not be a sport.

[cruscott35]

but like, if you have to qualify for something, and in order for you to do that, you have to come in the top 2 or whatever...wouldn't two people beating you stop you from getting that?

maybe i'm just not following correctly or getting what you're saying exactly...

If there was an opponent in swimming who was trying to stop you somehow or if Vijay was allowed to guard the green Tiger was shooting at, that's the kind of opposition I'm talking about. To me that is the critical element of sport. Dodgeball is ok too.

[bothedmbfan]

But there's the mental battle that's common in ANY sport. A stud pitcher's confidence may waiver after someone keeps fouling off their best pitches. Well what do you think happens if a guy keeps sinking in birdies, but doesn't get seperation? I'm sorry someone needs to take a 9 iron to the knee to make golf a sport.

You ever see The Greatest Game Ever Played? You may enjoy it, even though it's a golf movie. One of the golfers puts his ball in front of Shia LaBeouf's, that way Shia would need to take 2 strokes to get around the ball. Does he do it? Or is he crazy enough to try and chip shot it? Find out in the movie, about a game that may or may not be a sport.

Golf is definatly a sport.

[zdaddy]

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