The Mitchell Report

[dmbmuskie]

It's finally coming, and they're naming names. I'm really looking foward to this.

[bubba40]

:thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3060689

[dmbmuskie]

I like that there are supposedly names that haven't surfaced before, and I hope they are big names.

[bubba40]

I like that there are supposedly names that haven't surfaced before, and I hope they are big names.

I hope they're HUGE names. The biggest. If this names a lot of big names, it will be the best thing for baseball since the strike ended in the mid-90's.

[willthethrill]

I hope they're HUGE names. The biggest. If this names a lot of big names, it will be the best thing for baseball since the strike ended in the mid-90's.

How? By further depleting a baseball fan's confidence in players?

[UNC41]

I'm excited to hear the names, but really hope my favorite player is not named. At this point there isn't anyone in baseball who I'd be completely surprised about being named.

[bubba40]

How? By further depleting a baseball fan's confidence in players?

No, by airing all the dirty laundry, being honest with the fans, and coming clean about what has/d the potential to ruin the sport.

[dmbmuskie]

How? By further depleting a baseball fan's confidence in players?

I assume everyone is using, except players on the Pirates, so my confidence couldn't be any lower.

Naming names is something that most people didn't believe would happen.

[cruscott35]

I hope all my favorite players are named...Everyone was doing it, and I want to know that my guys were trying just as hard.

[smeritt]

I hope all my favorite players are named...Everyone was doing it, and I want to know that my guys were trying just as hard.
Good one........:rolleyes

[cruscott35]

Not a joke.

[smeritt]

Making it even worse

[dmbmuskie]

He's onto something. I wouldn't be surprised if the Pirates are the only team with no metion in the report, other than Matt Lawton.

The Pirates have to be hoping for that too.

[ProudestAnt]

This is going to turn baseball into a clusterfuck...

[bothedmbfan]

This is going to turn baseball into a clusterfuck...

You don't think it's there already?

[ProudestAnt]

You don't think it's there already? No, because there's still that doubt that there ARE great, honest players out there. This is going to prove there isn't...

[dmbmuskie]

This better be released before FA begins.

As much as I'd love to see ARod get a billion dollar contract who then get exposed as an user, it wouldn't be fair to the teams.

[DmBand801]

No, because there's still that doubt that there ARE great, honest players out there. This is going to prove there isn't...

and that will indeed turn baseball into a clusterfuck :thumbsup

[bothedmbfan]

No, because there's still that doubt that there ARE great, honest players out there. This is going to prove there isn't...

Eh, it's assumed that there are practically none now anyways. Which is sad.

[ProudestAnt]

Eh, it's assumed that there are practically none now anyways. Which is sad. Practically none. Main point. This thing is going to name A-Rod, Pujols, and the like...

[dmbmuskie]

Practically none. Main point. This thing is going to name A-Rod, Pujols, and the like...

It'll be interesting to see if they have proof of their own rather than citing other reports.

Both of those guys have been linked before.

The Mets clubhouse guy is who I'm looking foward to hearing from the most.

[smeritt]

Supposedly.....

[bothedmbfan]

Practically none. Main point. This thing is going to name A-Rod, Pujols, and the like...

Eh, I really wouldn't doubt anyone. Just about every little kids' baseball hero is going to get named in this.

Wouldn't it be funny if Bonds ended up being clean though?

[dmbmuskie]

Eh, I really wouldn't doubt anyone. Just about every little kids' baseball hero is going to get named in this.

Wouldn't it be funny if Bonds ended up being clean though?

It would be, but there is no way.

[ProudestAnt]

Eh, I really wouldn't doubt anyone. Just about every little kids' baseball hero is going to get named in this.

Wouldn't it be funny if Bonds ended up being clean though? Man Ram won't. Nor will Jeter, Vlad or Papi. Those guys are enough to save the game, imo...

[Ev42]

Dumb question but can these players be suspended.

[dmbmuskie]

Man Ram won't. Nor will Jeter, Vlad or Papi. Those guys are enough to save the game, imo...

I fully expect Papi to show up.

Jeter wouldn't surprise me either, just because he's played with so many other guys who have been linked.

[ProudestAnt]

Dumb question but can these players be suspended. Technically I don't think so...

[dmbmuskie]

Dumb question but can these players be suspended.

I doubt it. I don't think there would be MLB as we know it if they carried out suspensions, but maybe I'm wrong.

[ProudestAnt]

I fully expect Papi to show up.

Jeter wouldn't surprise me either, just because he's played with so many other guys who have been linked. I don't think Papi will, just because he hasn't show a major jump in anything but ABs...

[smeritt]

I fully expect Papi to show up.

Jeter wouldn't surprise me either, just because he's played with so many other guys who have been linked.
Seriously? A guy who's never hit over 25 homeruns?

[ProudestAnt]

Seriously? A guy who's never hit over 25 homeruns? Have you seen the guys who have tested positive in the past?

[dmbmuskie]

I don't think Papi will, just because he hasn't show a major jump in anything but ABs...

That's true, but a team great at talent evaluation let him walk. After that he goes on to become the most feared hitter in baseball.

Seriously? A guy who's never hit over 25 homeruns?

Does that really matter?

[bothedmbfan]

I will be surprised by absolutly no one...except Kenny Lofton.

[smeritt]

Have you seen the guys who have tested positive in the past?
Very true. And maybe I have my Yankee blinders on but Jeter has pretty much been the same size his whole career. His most growth was from 1996-98 and thats cuz he was still a kid. Am i wrong?

[Ev42]

I don't think Papi will, just because he hasn't show a major jump in anything but ABs...

agree i don't believe we will see Papi on that list

[smeritt]

That's true, but a team great at talent evaluation let him walk. After that he goes on to become the most feared hitter in baseball.



Does that really matter?Like Ryan said. AB's and a different ball park. Minnesota was just not the right place for Papi. Hitting behind Manny he got alllloooottt of pitches his first two years. Then it was just a matter of being comfortable

[dmbmuskie]

Very true. And maybe I have my Yankee blinders on but Jeter has pretty much been the same size his whole career. His most growth was from 1996-98 and thats cuz he was still a kid. Am i wrong?

You're not wrong at all. Those are fine arguments for showing Jeter is clean.

I just said I wouldn't be surprised if he shows up because of the company he has kept in the Yankee locker room.

[Ev42]

it would be funny if curt shilling was on that list with all his shit talking about steroids

[smeritt]

Yea having Giambi and Sheff in the locker room certainly doesn't help the arguement

[jmudmbphan]

id say no way arod is on that list...hes never had any enourmous jumps

[dmbmuskie]

Yea having Giambi and Sheff in the locker room certainly doesn't help the arguement

Those aren't the only 2 he's been around.

[bothedmbfan]

it would be funny if curt shilling was on that list with all his shit talking about steroids

I still think the topper would be Bonds being clean. However, fuck Curt Chilling.

[cruscott35]

I'd be surprised by no one.

[dmbmuskie]

id say no way arod is on that list...hes never had any enourmous jumps

Raffy has a similar pattern, although less impressive.

[cruscott35]

I still think the topper would be Bonds being clean. However, fuck Curt Chilling.


Even if the Mitchell Report doesn't mention him, is that going to change anyone's opinion of him. Hell, it could come out and say he never used and people would rather believe his mistress.

[smeritt]

Those aren't the only 2 he's been around.
Who else? Raul Mondesi? Lol

[bothedmbfan]

Even if the Mitchell Report doesn't mention him, is that going to change anyone's opinion of him. Hell, it could come out and say he never used and people would rather believe his mistress.

Oh, I agree. I can just imagine ESUCKPN sucking his cock for a few days because of it.

[HolyCow]

Even if the Mitchell Report doesn't mention him, is that going to change anyone's opinion of him. Hell, it could come out and say he never used and people would rather believe his mistress.

:thumbsup

People have such a prejudged thought of him that it won't matter what anything says.


And I hope they bust 'em all.

Every MLB player is squirming right now.

[smeritt]

:thumbsup

People have such a prejudged thought of him that it won't matter what anything says.


And I hope they bust 'em all.

Every MLB player is squirming right now.Every MLB player guilty.

I'd say Roger may be shaking in his boots....

[dmbmuskie]

Who else? Raul Mondesi? Lol

Canseco and Lawton

Clemens?

[jmudmbphan]

There is no, "what if barry is clean"

he has already admitted to steroid use. there is no denying that.

[smeritt]

The cream and the clear are steroids and Barry did admit to accidentally using them. JMU is right

[smeritt]

Canseco and Lawton

Clemens?Yea I just alluded to clemens i forgot those two were Yanks for breif periods. Probably for good reason

[bothedmbfan]

Canseco and Lawton

Clemens?

Oh yeah.

[bothedmbfan]

There is no, "what if barry is clean"

he has already admitted to steroid use. there is no denying that.

Which is why I think it would be funny.

[HolyCow]

Jeff Bagwell, get ready to be busted.

[Munford]

There will be surprises..

did ya'll see where Bonds' ex was coming out with all this stuff about him. Saying how couldn't "perform" in the bedroom and how he was paranoid about people finding out cause he was getting so big.

[Munford]

Andruw Jones

[Tiduwho]

Andruw Jones

I think he just went overboard on the jelly donuts...

[Trippin4136]

Canseco and Lawton

Clemens?

A very trusted source of mine in scouting heard from seven different baseball officials, from four different big league teams, that Clemens failed a test in 2005 and it was since held from the public.

Seems like a lot of hearsay, I know, but I trust this guy's info a lot.

[Trippin4136]

Albert Belle....

Degenerative hip condition my ass. You mean where he stuck all his needles?

Greg Vaughn.

[bubba40]

I hope all my favorite players are named...Everyone was doing it, and I want to know that my guys were trying just as hard.

Do you actively try to make the dumbest posts possible?

[cruscott35]

Do you actively try to make the dumbest posts possible?


Or I could get all fucking high and mighty about steroids like Katie and then when one of my guys do it claim it wasn't a big deal or say "at least he admitted it"...I don't give a fuck about people using this shit. Its not one isolated incident, everyone was doing it, I DON'T CARE. Why would I care?

[jdmpsu339]

Here are my "Big Name" guesses:

1. Pujols--I've suspected this for a while. That and he's really 35.
2. Clemens--not really going out on a limb here.
3. Jeff Kent
4. Bagwell
5. Magglio Ordonez

[dmbmuskie]

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3078690

Judgement day is coming.

[ProudestAnt]

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3078690

Judgement day is coming. *rubs hands* Business will pick up after the WS. We'll have to start the new season thread right after the WS is over. I call dibs!

[SoRight24]

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3078690

Judgement day is coming.

I am in no way depressed about this. :thumbsup

Hopefully Bud Selig has some balls.

[dmbhoosier21]

And on the heels of ......

"Baseball close to catching NFL as top $port"

http://money.cnn.com/2007/10/25/commentary/sportsbiz/index.htm

[bohamilton]

I like that there are supposedly names that haven't surfaced before, and I hope they are big names.

For years, I have thought it was possible that Ken Griffey Jr. was on a testosterone-based juice. I have been criticized for voicing this hypothesis, but I feel my logic is good.

He was always uncommonly powerful for his size.
He suffered a series of joint injuries (a common steroid side effect).
He suffered several connective tissue injuries (another common steroid side effect)

Perhaps the proof is in the report. If not, I am a foolish boy with a conspiracy theory. :)

[bohamilton]

Very true. And maybe I have my Yankee blinders on but Jeter has pretty much been the same size his whole career. His most growth was from 1996-98 and thats cuz he was still a kid. Am i wrong?

Not all steroids make you noticeably bigger. Heavy anabolic stuff, like Anadrol, causes big size changes. Bodybuilders use it in the off-season to put on a bunch of mass. Testosterone-based stuff makes your muscles harder and tones you up. Bodybuilders would cycle off the anabolics a couple months before contest and begin a testosterone cycle. They lose some of that mass, but the quality of the muscle, when viewed, improves.

So what does it all mean?

A testosterone regimen would make you stronger and harder without a noticeable change in shirt size.

[DmBand801]

Brady Anderson = juicer

[UNC41]

Brady Anderson = juicer

Sky = blue ;)

[DmBand801]

Sky = blue ;)

touche :)

[ProudestAnt]

For years, I have thought it was possible that Ken Griffey Jr. was on a testosterone-based juice. I have been criticized for voicing this hypothesis, but I feel my logic is good.

He was always uncommonly powerful for his size.
He suffered a series of joint injuries (a common steroid side effect).
He suffered several connective tissue injuries (another common steroid side effect)

Perhaps the proof is in the report. If not, I am a foolish boy with a conspiracy theory. :) Based on his height, weight and type of swing, he wasn't really uncommonly powerful. He simply had a pure, sweet swing, which translated to a pure contact. He could have been juicing, but I don't think so in my opinion...

[dmbmuskie]

For years, I have thought it was possible that Ken Griffey Jr. was on a testosterone-based juice. I have been criticized for voicing this hypothesis, but I feel my logic is good.

He was always uncommonly powerful for his size.
He suffered a series of joint injuries (a common steroid side effect).
He suffered several connective tissue injuries (another common steroid side effect)

Perhaps the proof is in the report. If not, I am a foolish boy with a conspiracy theory. :)

I agree.

[dmbhoosier21]

Mitchell to release report Thursday

News conference scheduled for 2 p.m


..... finally :multi

[gocubsgo3822]

to be honest i dont care. Baseball benefitted from steroids. IT brought fans back to the game after the strike. If everyone is doing it it is not performance enhancing. I am an unabashed steroids apologist. I think the media is full of shit too. THey saw these players getting bigger and bigger but they needed headlines and didnt say anything then. Only when Bonds was getting close did they care. It pisses me off. The owners, players, media, and fans didnt care and it is hypocritical to pretend to do so after the fact.

Just my opinion

[dmbhoosier21]

to be honest i dont care. Baseball benefitted from steroids. IT brought fans back to the game after the strike. If everyone is doing it it is not performance enhancing. I am an unabashed steroids apologist. I think the media is full of shit too. THey saw these players getting bigger and bigger but they needed headlines and didnt say anything then. Only when Bonds was getting close did they care. It pisses me off. The owners, players, media, and fans didnt care and it is hypocritical to pretend to do so after the fact.

Just my opinion

I'll agree that the league and media turned a blind eye to it when it suited them, but you and I know both know it (performance enhancing drugs) can't continue.

And I really don't know how much of that avg. fan sat there and thought about steroids in the midst of Sammy and McGwire hitting all those homeruns.

[devilandthelord]

I agree.

As do I. I have brought this up before on here, and been criticized by nearly everyone for even thinking that.

For what happened all those years he was injured and the type of injuries, and his power boost up into the 50+ homerun stratusphere in the late 90s, it makes entirely too much sense to me.

[DaveismyWeapon]

I just hope Clemens goes down in this but somehow I think his name will mysteriously be left off the list.

[rickyh24]

wasnt this supposed to be out tommorow?

[UNC41]

As do I. I have brought this up before on here, and been criticized by nearly everyone for even thinking that.

For what happened all those years he was injured and the type of injuries, and his power boost up into the 50+ homerun stratusphere in the late 90s, it makes entirely too much sense to me.

Griffey hit 45 home runs when he was 24 years old, so I don't think it's a huge deal as he developed physically and hit 56 four years later. That's not an increase that sticks out like a sore thumb like Bonds (49 to 73) or Sosa (30 to 66). Griffey has always had a sweet home run swing and it is likely that his power numbers would increase as he hit his physical prime.

So, while it is possible Griffey is named tomorrow, he isn't high up on the list of guys I suspect.

[Tiduwho]

I just hope Clemens goes down in this but somehow I think his name will mysteriously be left off the list.

I can't think of a single pitcher more likely to have used roids.

[rickyh24]

Griffey hit 45 home runs when he was 24 years old, so I don't think it's a huge deal as he developed physically and hit 56 four years later. That's not an increase that sticks out like a sore thumb like Bonds (49 to 73) or Sosa (30 to 66). Griffey has always had a sweet home run swing and it is likely that his power numbers would increase as he hit his physical prime.

So, while it is possible Griffey is named tomorrow, he isn't high up on the list of guys I suspect.

Griffey wont be on the list.

[jmudmbphan]

you think the red sox and any of their players get a pass from mitchell when it came time to putting the names on paper?

[jmudmbphan]

I would cry if griffey or jetere were on that list

[rickyh24]

I would cry if griffey or jetere were on that list

i really dont see either being on the list.

[rickyh24]

you think the red sox and any of their players get a pass from mitchell when it came time to putting the names on paper?

i doubt they would get a pass...I have heard a lot of people say that Lowell could be on it.

[chr35919]

i doubt they would get a pass...I have heard a lot of people say that Lowell could be on it.as long as he hasn't used with the sox, i don't care. do you?

[Trippin4136]

Who honestly cares about the results of this report OTHER than what names appear on this list?

I for one don't. I couldn't care. I'm intrigued by what names appear, but the report itself won't change a damn thing in baseball--and it doesn't even name all the guys who did use.

[rickyh24]

as long as he hasn't used with the sox, i don't care. do you?

nope not really...

[jmudmbphan]

david ortiz?

[dmbmuskie]

The fact that only 60 to 80 people are named make this a joke.

[rickyh24]

david ortiz?


doubt it.

[Tiduwho]

The fact that only 60 to 80 people are named make this a joke.

Because the whole league just had to have been using?

[bubba40]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3152573

The plot thickens...

[GOB_]

Because the whole league just had to have been using?

Well, according to Jason Stark, the year before the official drug testing program was implemented MLB did random testing to determine whether or not drug tests were even necessary. I don't know what the sample size was but approximately 100 guys failed the test.

Now, I could be wrong but I believe the Mitchell report is supposed to cover the entire "steroid era." I find it amazing that only 60-80 names are going to be released.

I'm still not sure what evidence Mitchell is using to release these names and I don't know how accurate the list will be.

[Tiduwho]

Besides either appointing an independent administrator or hiring an outside agency to run the program (MLB currently administers the program in conjunction with the Players Association), baseball should:

• Improve to "state-of-the-art" testing, including additional year-round tests with fewer opportunities for players to escape detection.

• Allow the testing administrator to actively investigate "non-analytical positives," meaning information that can show a player violated the doping policy in the absence of a positive urine test. Jay Gibbons and Jose Guillen, for example, were recently suspended after MLB received information from law enforcement sources documenting that the players had received banned drugs. Neither failed a drug test.

• Improve player education about performance-enhancing drugs.

• Allow greater transparency in the program, such as naming the drugs that players test positive for. Some players try to dodge responsibility for positive tests by saying they unwittingly took a tainted diet supplement. Certain drugs could not possibly have come from supplements, but because baseball doesn't name the substances it discovers, the press and public can't determine whether the player is telling the truth.




I like it. Especially the bolded part. Enough of this "I received the shipments but never used it, I changed my mind and my conscience got the better of me" bullshit. They come up with better excuses on To Catch A Predator.

[Jake]

I've seen some predictions/speculations in this thread, so I figure I'll weigh in on a few that I recall hearing about when I worked at a small tv station in Bristol, CT


again, only rumored back in the day - either from players or workers at that same small TV station, but interesting none the less. We'll see what hits soon:


Chipper Jones
Mike Piazza
Larry Walker
Jeff Kent
Vinny Castilla
practically everyone who ever played for the Cleveland Indians in the mid 1990's
Nomar



those are the ones I recall hearing about - again, only rumored, but I think a few of those will be positive on the mitchell report

[~Crashintome89~]

I could definitely see Castilla taking steriods. If there was one guy on that list that I had to pick in which who I thought took steriods, I would be him.

[dmbmuskie]

Chipper is a name I never heard tied associated with thism but everyone else seems very possible.

[crashintome202]

pretty sure matsui will be named on this. i've heard his name before and the rumors of him getting traded don't help. tejada def is too.

also, i love how they recommend that baseball outsource its drug testing.
good chance this means they cover up their test results like i said before.

[crashintome202]

I've seen some predictions/speculations in this thread, so I figure I'll weigh in on a few that I recall hearing about when I worked at a small tv station in Bristol, CT


again, only rumored back in the day - either from players or workers at that same small TV station, but interesting none the less. We'll see what hits soon:


Chipper Jones
Mike Piazza
Larry Walker
Jeff Kent
Vinny Castilla
practically everyone who ever played for the Cleveland Indians in the mid 1990's
Nomar



those are the ones I recall hearing about - again, only rumored, but I think a few of those will be positive on the mitchell report
larry walker clearly did. the guy was a truck:lol
nomar and kent wouldn't surprise me either.

[GOB_]

Mitchell to name 'several' Yankees...

The Bergen Record reported that "several" prominent Yankees players would be named at this afternoon's news conference. No Mets from the current were expected to be named, a source told the Record.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/12132007/sports/yankees/this_is_all_about_the_names_463864.htm

[jiggajm18]

i hear mitchell is going to blame bud selig. and i hope he does.

[jiggajm18]

I've seen some predictions/speculations in this thread, so I figure I'll weigh in on a few that I recall hearing about when I worked at a small tv station in Bristol, CT


again, only rumored back in the day - either from players or workers at that same small TV station, but interesting none the less. We'll see what hits soon:


Chipper Jones
Mike Piazza
Larry Walker
Jeff Kent
Vinny Castilla
practically everyone who ever played for the Cleveland Indians in the mid 1990's
Nomar

those are the ones I recall hearing about - again, only rumored, but I think a few of those will be positive on the mitchell report

jim thome, i'm sure took it.

i'd be surprised if dante bichette wasn't listed.

[jmudmbphan]

clemens is on the list..apparently a few other "prominent yankees" are as well

[dmbhoosier21]

Wonder if there is going to be talk about placing asterisks around his accomplishments

[Xmasjjm]

I'b be more than willing to bet that no current Red Sox's will be named. I am suspicious of Ortiz and Manny, but because Mitchell is with the Red Sox, I doubt that he will throw any his own stars under the bus. It's a shame. Today will suck for baseball.

[jmudmbphan]

I feel the same way..the sox players are giong to get a complete pass from him...

[jmudmbphan]

I just hope jeter isnt on that list..arod either..that will really fuck baseball

[ProudestAnt]

According to ESPN.com, Roger Clemens will be named in George Mitchell's report on steroids, which is scheduled to be released Thursday afternoon.
The Bergen Record notes that "several" prominent Yankees will be named in the report, with one source telling the newspaper that "it's going to be a rough day in the Bronx." Brian McNamee, who worked a personal trainer for Clemens and Andy Pettitte, is said to have supplied Mitchell with information.
Source: ESPN.com

:lol Who didn't see that one coming? :lol

[LaDude]

I don't know the authenticity of this list but here is what I have been told:

Brady Anderson,
Manny Alexander,
Rick Ankiel,
Jeff Bagwell,
Barry Bonds,
Aaron Boone,
Rafaeil Bettancourt,
Bret Boone,
Milton Bradley,
David Bell,
Dante Bichette,
Albert Belle,
Paul Byrd,
Wil Cordero,
Ken Caminiti,
Mike Cameron,
Ramon Castro,
Jose and Ozzie Canseco,
Roger Clemens,
Paxton Crawford,
Wilson Delgado,
Lenny Dykstra,
Johnny Damon,
Carl Everett,
Kyle Farnsoworth,
Ryan Franklin,
Troy Glaus,
Rich Garces,
Jason Grimsley,
Troy Glaus,
Juan Gonzalez,
Eric Gagne,
Nomar Garciaparra,
Jason Giambi,
Jeremy Giambi,
Jose Guillen,
Jay Gibbons,
Juan Gonzalez,
Clay Hensley,
Jerry Hairston,
Felix Heredia, Jr.,
Darren Holmes,
Wally Joyner,
Darryl Kile,
Matt Lawton,
Raul Mondesi,
Mark McGwire,
Guillermo Mota,
Robert Machado,
Damian Moss,
Abraham Nunez,
Trot Nixon,
Jose Offerman,
Andy Pettitte,
Mark Prior,
Neifi Perez,
Rafael Palmiero,
Albert Pujols,
Brian Roberts,
Juan Rincon,
John Rocker,
Pudge Rodriguez,
Sammy Sosa,
Scott Schoenweiis,
David Segui,
Alex Sanchez,
Gary Sheffield,
Miguel Tejada,
Julian Tavarez,
Fernando Tatis,
Maurice Vaughn,
Jason Varitek,
Ismael Valdez,
Matt Williams
Kerry Wood

[jiggajm18]

real shocker to see brady anderson on there....although i always figured he was using a corked bat when he hit 50.

in all seriousness, i'm kind of shocked to see matt lawton on there. isnt/wasnt he a small-ass dude?

[tmorry326]

That list right now isn't verified or valid.

[FunkyTeaParty]

I hope Rich Garces got a refund.

[gocubsgo3822]

seriously that list looks a little insane but i will not past jusgement till it comes out. I would like to know the source. I have not seen anything like that anywhere on the net

[UNC41]

I'm not going to take that list as fact when the only information I've seen is a post on a message board, but it wouldn't surprise me if those are the players named.

[cbotnyse]

I really hope Albert Pujols is clean.

[EddieW33]

I really hope Albert Pujols is clean.

Unfortunately his name was listed...

[jmudmbphan]

is there anywhere to watch the news on this or the press conference via the internet?

[41ravens]

is there anywhere to watch the news on this or the press conference via the internet?

http://www.channelsurfing.net/

it's on there. this site is a crapshoot, though. sometimes the links work fine, other times it's a bitch.

[jmudmbphan]

I have a friend for the nytimes....he passed this on to me.

Jimmy Rollins
Bobby Abreu
Jose Offerman
Mark Mgwire
Roger Clemens
Andy Pettite
Benito Santiago
Pudge Rodriguez
Curt Schilling
Billy Buckner
Leo Nunez
Doug Davis
Darryl Kile
Trevor Hoffman
Carlos Delgado
David Dellucci
Paul Byrd
Jason Giambi
Jeremy Giambi
Gary Sheffield
Albert Belle
Albert Pujuols
David Eckstein
Jason Varitek
Tom Glavine
Kyle Davies
David Ortiz
Trot Nixon
Gary Matthews Jr
Barry Bonds
Mark Texeria
John Rocker
Jerry Gil
Jay Gibbons
Brian Giles
Justin Germano
Enrique Wilson
Jonathan Papelbon
Tom Gordon
Alberto Gonzales
Jeremy Guthrie
Juan Gonzales
Frank Thomas
Jason Hammel
Jim Edmunds
Roy Halladay
Francisco Liriano
Jim Thome
Bernie Williams
kevin Hart
Corey hart
Rich Hill
Shea Hillenbrand
Sammy Sosa
Eric Hull
Hideki Matsui
Edgar Renteria
Xavier Nady
Mike Lowell
JD Drew
Jose Offerman
Jeff kent

[41ravens]

I have a friend for the nytimes....he passed this on to me.



wow. that's a pretty hefty list right there. if true.

[EZakre]

yeah the drudge report has had it up for a while now

[jmudmbphan]

He told me that report came right from the top..they were told to keep it CONFIDENTIAL until the story broke....(so much for that)...

[41ravens]

and so much for not naming any sox. again, if that list is true.

[cbotnyse]

and so much for not naming any sox. again, if that list is true.White Sox? yeah I know. I'm very happy about that. :)

[jimibadfish]

I have a friend for the nytimes....he passed this on to me.

Jimmy Rollins
Bobby Abreu
Jose Offerman
Mark Mgwire
Roger Clemens
Andy Pettite
Benito Santiago
Pudge Rodriguez
Curt Schilling
Billy Buckner
Leo Nunez
Doug Davis
Darryl Kile
Trevor Hoffman
Carlos Delgado
David Dellucci
Paul Byrd
Jason Giambi
Jeremy Giambi
Gary Sheffield
Albert Belle
Albert Pujuols
David Eckstein
Jason Varitek
Tom Glavine
Kyle Davies
David Ortiz
Trot Nixon
Gary Matthews Jr
Barry Bonds
Mark Texeria
John Rocker
Jerry Gil
Jay Gibbons
Brian Giles
Justin Germano
Enrique Wilson
Jonathan Papelbon
Tom Gordon
Alberto Gonzales
Jeremy Guthrie
Juan Gonzales
Frank Thomas
Jason Hammel
Jim Edmunds
Roy Halladay
Francisco Liriano
Jim Thome
Bernie Williams
kevin Hart
Corey hart
Rich Hill
Shea Hillenbrand
Sammy Sosa
Eric Hull
Hideki Matsui
Edgar Renteria
Xavier Nady
Mike Lowell
JD Drew
Jose Offerman
Jeff kent

Wow. Schilling is such a douche if these allegations are true.

[groton]

Billy Buckner is on that list WTF was he one of the first users?

and Shilling does that mean I can't wear his Shirt anymore?

[dmbphan041]

I don't know the authenticity of this list but here is what I have been told:

Brady Anderson,
Manny Alexander,
Rick Ankiel,
Jeff Bagwell,
Barry Bonds,
Aaron Boone,
Rafaeil Bettancourt,
Bret Boone,
Milton Bradley,
David Bell,
Dante Bichette,
Albert Belle,
Paul Byrd,
Wil Cordero,
Ken Caminiti,
Mike Cameron,
Ramon Castro,
Jose and Ozzie Canseco,
Roger Clemens,
Paxton Crawford,
Wilson Delgado,
Lenny Dykstra,
Johnny Damon,
Carl Everett,
Kyle Farnsoworth,
Ryan Franklin,
Troy Glaus,
Rich Garces,
Jason Grimsley,
Troy Glaus,
Juan Gonzalez,
Eric Gagne,
Nomar Garciaparra,
Jason Giambi,
Jeremy Giambi,
Jose Guillen,
Jay Gibbons,
Juan Gonzalez,
Clay Hensley,
Jerry Hairston,
Felix Heredia, Jr.,
Darren Holmes,
Wally Joyner,
Darryl Kile,
Matt Lawton,
Raul Mondesi,
Mark McGwire,
Guillermo Mota,
Robert Machado,
Damian Moss,
Abraham Nunez,
Trot Nixon,
Jose Offerman,
Andy Pettitte,
Mark Prior,
Neifi Perez,
Rafael Palmiero,
Albert Pujols,
Brian Roberts,
Juan Rincon,
John Rocker,
Pudge Rodriguez,
Sammy Sosa,
Scott Schoenweiis,
David Segui,
Alex Sanchez,
Gary Sheffield,
Miguel Tejada,
Julian Tavarez,
Fernando Tatis,
Maurice Vaughn,
Jason Varitek,
Ismael Valdez,
Matt Williams
Kerry Wood


it's more than that, I'm sure.

As a former Jays fan I'd be shocked if Frank Thomas and Carlos Delgado aren't on there.

[dmbphan041]

He told me that report came right from the top..they were told to keep it CONFIDENTIAL until the story broke....(so much for that)...

can't your friend like loose his job for leaking this stuff to you?

[jmudmbphan]

can't your friend like loose his job for leaking this stuff to you?


yeah, but this is how stuff gets leaked...no way to really pin it on him, he sent it from his personal blackberry

[dre2142]

He told me that report came right from the top..they were told to keep it CONFIDENTIAL until the story broke....(so much for that)...

The list has been out since late late last night

[jmudmbphan]

Apparently the list he gave me is similiar to other lists...his list contains different names...more high profile names

For example, I havent seen schilling, bernie william, ortiz, or papelbon on any other list

[dre2142]

The lists that have hit the media are speculative, pieced together from different lists

[LaDude]

This sucks. What a dark day for baseball.

[mizzoudmbfan]

Billy Buckner is on that list WTF was he one of the first users?

I'm guessing it is current Royals pitcher Billy Buckner (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billy_Buckner) not infamous Red Sock Bill Buckner (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Buckner).

[thehoss]

my bucks are on cal ripken jr, brett boone, jay buner, edgar martinez, mike piazza, and glenallen hill, to name afew. sad to see pettitte on there, i knew clemens would be mentioned...but pettitte? you're talking about my first childhood sports hero...

[jmudmbphan]

For historical purposes...when would you say the steroid era began-ended..if it has ended..

[bubba40]

My time as an MLB fan ends today.

[bubba40]

For historical purposes...when would you say the steroid era began-ended..if it has ended..

I would say it began post-strike, and that it has not ended.

[41ravens]

My time as an MLB fan ends today.

why today? this report will only confirm what everyone has thought for a while.

[jmudmbphan]

10 years from now when most if not all of the steroid players are gone, baseball will be flourishing and a new emergence of americas pasttime will take hold..that will be a good time for mlb

[dmbphan041]

Papi'll be on their, Massive Mo Vaugh too. I'd wouldnt shock me to see mini Barfield and/or mini Fielder named too.

[bubba40]

why today? this report will only confirm what everyone has thought for a while.

Yeah :shrug .

[mizzoudmbfan]

My time as an MLB fan ends today.

Now the hyperbole begins...

[dmbphan041]

10 years from now when most if not all of the steroid players are gone, baseball will be flourishing and a new emergence of americas pasttime will take hold..that will be a good time for mlb

I think it'll just get worse, guys will get better at hiding it. that's just my $0.02 though.

[thehoss]

im not going to stop watching, for the sake of still those few pure players out there.

[thehoss]

listen fellas, if they did this in the nfl, 1/2 the league would be gone

[41ravens]

im not going to stop watching, for the sake of still those few pure players out there.

i'll watch it for what it is...entertainment. there's nothing really pure in any sports these days. i give a lot of the credit to the fact that 20-25 year-old males are getting paid millions of dollars to play sports.

[UNC41]

SI.com's Jon Heyman has reported Chuck Knoblauch and Mike Stanton are named, and neither one of those two are in the lists posted here so far. It seems those lists either are not accurate or not complete.

[gocubsgo3822]

i saw those lists on other sites danshanoff.com

[jmudmbphan]

I think its safe to say all the lists out there are incomplete...if we took all names from all lists, we'd have like 150 names...more than double what they are supposed to have...I think its safe to say some of these lists are not correct

[dmbphan041]

I think its safe to say all the lists out there are incomplete...if we took all names from all lists, we'd have like 150 names...more than double what they are supposed to have...I think its safe to say some of these lists are not correct

are they going to list all 100 million names in the report @ 2?

[jmudmbphan]

what 100 million names? they are only naming roughly 80.

I think some of the listsp osted are hokey

[Ant#10]

Wow. Schilling is such a douche if these allegations are true.

And and everyone else on that list is an angel.


:rolleyes I love that Clemens and Pettite were on there. Pettitte was never anything more than a number 2 anyway, and it always bothered me that everyone loves Clemens even though he has always been an asshole. Clemens should have the same treatment as Barry Bonds.

[UNC41]

And and everyone else on that list is an angel.


:rolleyes I love that Clemens and Pettite were on there. Pettitte was never anything more than a number 2 anyway, and it always bothered me that everyone loves Clemens even though he has always been an asshole. Clemens should have the same treatment as Barry Bonds.

Not everyone else on this list has been quoted saying, "I'll pat guys on the ass, and they'll look at me and go, 'Don't hit me there, man. It hurts. That's because that's where they shoot the steroid needles."

[GOB_]

And and everyone else on that list is an angel.



I think it's in reference to his testimony in front of Congress (again, if true).

[jmudmbphan]

yeah, jesus..hes a douche because he condemned steroid use..not because he used steroids...

[jmudmbphan]

And and everyone else on that list is an angel.


:rolleyes I love that Clemens and Pettite were on there. Pettitte was never anything more than a number 2 anyway, and it always bothered me that everyone loves Clemens even though he has always been an asshole. Clemens should have the same treatment as Barry Bonds.

you're right. so should schilling and ortiz.

[dmbphan041]

what 100 million names? they are only naming roughly 80.

I think some of the listsp osted are hokey

they should name those that they're suspicious of too, as you said then the list would be upwards of 150.

[jmudmbphan]

they should name those that they're suspicious of too, as you said then the list would be upwards of 150.

ah i see.

well, really, all of these names are suspicions..there is no hard evidence..simply the words of trainers, bat boys, etc....

[devilandthelord]

And and everyone else on that list is an angel.


:rolleyes I love that Clemens and Pettite were on there. Pettitte was never anything more than a number 2 anyway, and it always bothered me that everyone loves Clemens even though he has always been an asshole. Clemens should have the same treatment as Barry Bonds.

I've always hated the prick if it makes you feel any better. :)

[LaDude]

In the court of public opinion, will this make Bonds less guilty or everyone else named just as guilty as Bonds?

[dmbphan041]

I wonder if they'll name David Wells.

oh wait, he's just fat as hell.

Dude's my hero.

[dmbphan041]

In the court of public opinion, will this make Bonds less guilty or everyone else named just as guilty as Bonds?

no. He's still douchefuck #1 in my opinion.

[gocubsgo3822]

<<<----------- is really hoping tht scum bag Mark Priors name is on the list and Albert Pujols

[malarks26]

SI.com's Jon Heyman has reported Chuck Knoblauch and Mike Stanton are named, and neither one of those two are in the lists posted here so far. It seems those lists either are not accurate or not complete.

How is it so far that the only names to leak out have been former Yankees?!?! :ugh

[gocubsgo3822]

In the court of public opinion, will this make Bonds less guilty or everyone else named just as guilty as Bonds?

i personally think it definitely helps him becuase if the names lists are partially correct it shows that all great players were using and some horrible players were using

[groton]

Bah I see B&N is again making us New England sports fans look dumb.

I really don't think Paps used Or Ortiz but Curt hell yes But I just like what he does on the Field not what he says

[gocubsgo3822]

How is it so far that the only names to leak out have been former Yankees?!?! :ugh


becuase after 26 world series titles people have said fuck the yankees... Seriously i have no problem with the yanks though. I wish we spent as much as them and had maybe one title the last century. :confused

[tmorry326]

This is one of those trainwrecks I can't stop staring at.

[malarks26]

This is one of those trainwrecks I can't stop staring at.

:lol :lol Same here....

[MistreatedLewis]

And and everyone else on that list is an angel.


:rolleyes I love that Clemens and Pettite were on there. Pettitte was never anything more than a number 2 anyway, and it always bothered me that everyone loves Clemens even though he has always been an asshole. Clemens should have the same treatment as Barry Bonds.

Yes, he should. But he won't because's he's W.H.I.T.E.

[malarks26]

Yes, he should. But he won't because's he's W.H.I.T.E.

Oh please.....

[UNC41]

How is it so far that the only names to leak out have been former Yankees?!?! :ugh

I don't know why a large number has been Yankees, but Heyman has also confirmed Tejada, Brian Roberts and David Justice.

[tmorry326]

I can't remember, did Clemens go under oath like Bonds? (no sarcasm, serious question)

[MistreatedLewis]

Oh please.....

The truth hurts my friend, the truth hurts.

[jiggajm18]

Yes, he should. But he won't because's he's W.H.I.T.E.

:lol

i hope you were being sarcastic...

[MistreatedLewis]

:lol

i hope you were being sarcastic...

No, I'm being serious. Clemens has been called the best pitcher in the history of the game by many sports commentators, and is almost always included in the top 5.

He should be demonized the same way Bonds is by baseball fans.

But he won't be.

[malarks26]

The truth hurts my friend, the truth hurts.

If you've forgotten, Bonds broke the HR record of another B.L.A.C.K guy.

[MistreatedLewis]

If you've forgotten, Bonds broke the HR record of another B.L.A.C.K guy.

It's not about the record. It's about Bonds.

[malarks26]

It's not about the record. It's about Bonds.

It's about him breaking the most coveted record in all of professional sports and blatantly cheating to do it.

That's what it's about.

[MistreatedLewis]

It's about him breaking the most coveted record in all of professional sports and blatantly cheating to do it.

That's what it's about.

He only did what Marky Mark did first. So at least they should be equally demonized.

I guess you mean the lifetime though. Ok. So he can be demonized like 1% more.

[darbini]

Yes, he should. But he won't because's he's W.H.I.T.E.

What's the acronym supposed to be?



Whacking His Impressive Testicular Ensemble?

[UNC41]

All of us are sitting around with so much anticipation. I wonder how roid or HGH users who don't know if they will be named are handing this build up.

[jiggajm18]

No, I'm being serious. Clemens has been called the best pitcher in the history of the game by many sports commentators, and is almost always included in the top 5.

He should be demonized the same way Bonds is by baseball fans.

But he won't be.

but if clemen's is reported as using steroids, he won't be considered in the top 5 anymore.

and you can't compare the two. both are assholes, but bonds is a much bigger asshole than clemens. and clemens did not lie under oath. bonds (probably) did. that's a crime, regardless of your skin color.

[FunkyTeaParty]

Does anyone know exactly what qualifies someone to be on this list?

[cryfreedom4136]

It's not about the record. It's about Bonds.

I really don't think race is the issue, I think its more a matter of people caring more about batters than they do about pitchers

[tmorry326]

12 Minutes!







....that was half serious, half making fun of the situation. I can't stop watching.

[malarks26]

What's the acronym supposed to be?



Whacking his impressive testicular ensemble?

:lol :lol

[jiggajm18]

It's about him breaking the most coveted record in all of professional sports and blatantly cheating to do it.

That's what it's about.

and blatantly lying also

[rickyh24]

what do we have for names so far? ive seen a few.

[MistreatedLewis]

but if clemen's is reported as using steroids, he won't be considered in the top 5 anymore.

and you can't compare the two. both are assholes, but bonds is a much bigger asshole than clemens. and clemens did not lie under oath. bonds (probably) did. that's a crime, regardless of your skin color.

No more a crime than using illegal drugs. I don't understand how you could possibly say Bonds is a bigger asshole than Clemens.

[cryfreedom4136]

He only did what Marky Mark did first. So at least they should be equally demonized.

I guess you mean the lifetime though. Ok. So he can be demonized like 1% more.

"Marky Mark" was out of the game before steroid use really became a big public issue, the comparison isn't valid...

[thom hudson]

Assuming Sheffield is named, how long do you think it will take for him to play the race card?

[UNC41]

Does anyone know exactly what qualifies someone to be on this list?

No, but I don't believe they will be on it just because Radomski or someone else gave Mitchell their name. This is from Buster Olney ...

What is going to be the standard of fairness applied in deciding to publish -- or not publish -- names within the report?

An agent tells this story: One of his clients was asked by the Mitchell investigators to address a question of steroid impropriety that came out of the information from former Mets bat boy Kirk Radomski. The player was shown a canceled check in his name, written to Radomski, and asked to explain what it was for. The player responded: He didn't know. Because it could've been for anything from a McDonald's run for a group of players to clubhouse dues or something else. But the player said he knew this: It wasn't for performance-enhancing drugs. And, in the end, the Mitchell investigators backed off.

Is a benign canceled check combined with the word of a former Mets bat boy enough to include a player in the report? And no matter what the intention of the Mitchell investigators is, the reality is that if a player's name is in this report in relation to steroids, he will be effectively convicted in the court of public opinion.

And you can bet that if there is even one name that we haven't heard before, the union is going to have a lot to say, in its own news conference, about how the report was generated.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=olney_buster&id=3153050

[MistreatedLewis]

I really don't think race is the issue, I think its more a matter of people caring more about batters than they do about pitchers

Why isn't Marky Mark just as despised then?

[malarks26]

Assuming Sheffield is named, how long do you think it will take for him to play the race card?

Not long, u can guarantee that.

[collinsat12]

almost time!

[MistreatedLewis]

"Marky Mark" was out of the game before steroid use really became a big public issue, the comparison isn't valid...

It's 100% valid. Who cares whether it was a public issue. He DID it.

See, that's why I think it's a race thing. Because people make these arguments to go out of their way to defend everyone but Bonds for on zero rational basis.

[darbini]

Assuming Sheffield is named, how long do you think it will take for him to play the race card?

He just wears that shit like a badge, it's always in play

[cryfreedom4136]

Why isn't Marky Mark just as despised then?

"Marky Mark" was out of the game before steroid use really became a big public issue, the comparison isn't valid...

Out of sight, out of mind...

[MistreatedLewis]

Out of sight, out of mind...

I don't buy it. It's a race issue.

[darbini]

And Bonds is in 1st

[malarks26]

It's 100% valid. Who cares whether it was a public issue. He DID it.

See, that's why I think it's a race thing. Because people make these arguments to go out of their way to defend everyone but Bonds for on zero rational basis.

Let me guess, u live in S.F and ur a Giants fan? :lol

[MistreatedLewis]

And Bonds is in 1st

Because he's more naturally talented. You gonna fault him for that too?

Everyone who has done steroids should be equally despised.

[cryfreedom4136]

It's 100% valid. Who cares whether it was a public issue. He DID it.

See, that's why I think it's a race thing. Because people make these arguments to go out of their way to defend everyone but Bonds for on zero rational basis.

I am not defending anyone, I think he is just as guilty and his records should be taken off the records too, I think if you switched the players, and Bonds was the retired player that had broken the single season record and Mcguire was the active player that broke the career record, Mcquire would be the hated one and Bonds would be the one that everyone has forgotten about

[MistreatedLewis]

Let me guess, u live in S.F and ur a Giants fan? :lol

I live in NY and I'm a Mets fan.

[groton]

ah ML trying to troll here now :lol

[jiggajm18]

Assuming Sheffield is named, how long do you think it will take for him to play the race card?

he's always playing the race card though....

[Ant#10]

you're right. so should schilling and ortiz.

Yes, Schilling should.

Ortiz, not so much, I was more talking about people talk about Bonds as being a jerk, and whatnot so the media bringing him down becausae of it.

Clemens is a fuck, so is Schilling...Ortiz, not so much though.

[malarks26]

I live in NY and I'm a Mets fan.

Then get off Bonds' dick....that's where Pedro Gomez belongs.

[MistreatedLewis]

ah ML trying to troll here now :lol

I just say the things people don't want to admit to themselves.

[rickyh24]

Everyone who has done steroids should be equally despised.

:thumbsup

Bonds hold a huge record so he gets more rap because of that. Also he lied in court so that doesnt help.


but you are pretty much right here.

[MistreatedLewis]

Then get off Bonds' dick....that's where Pedro Gomez belongs.

Ok. I'll let you get back to liking white people more than black people now.

[GOB_]

ah ML trying to troll here now :lol

:ugh

[groton]

I just say the things people don't want to admit to themselves.

no you troll you and B&N(ANT #10 what ever he is today) should make Gay Love your both troll's

but your at least cooler then him

[jiggajm18]

Because he's more naturally talented. You gonna fault him for that too?

Everyone who has done steroids should be equally despised.

no. bonds should be more dispised than someone like giambi.....bonds lied to a grand jury even when he had immunity. thats saying "i'm untouchable. you can't catch me."

[malarks26]

Ok. I'll let you get back to liking white people more than black people now.

You couldn't be farthest from the truth my friend...

[dmbphan041]

you're kidding me if this isn't on in Canada!!!!!!!

[LaDude]

Here it comes.....

[ShotgunDMB]

baseball players have really fucked over a great sport by acting like a bunch of asshats. i feel bad for the kids who look up to some of these guys. i know if i were a kid i'd be pretty down if my favorite player stuck needs in his ass just to hit a few more homers.

[MistreatedLewis]

no. bonds should be more dispised than someone like giambi.....bonds lied to a grand jury even when he had immunity. thats saying "i'm untouchable. you can't catch me."

And they caught him anyway.

Ratinalization, rationalization. if I had to guess, at least 25-30% of white peoplee, at least, still prefer white people to black people.

[dmbphan041]

no OK, got it!! w00t.

[malarks26]

you're kidding me if this isn't on in Canada!!!!!!!

LoL at your signature!!

Hillarious!

:lol :thumbsup

[MistreatedLewis]

You couldn't be farthest from the truth my friend...

Well, you're the one who has to deal with your own conscience. So it doesn't matter to me anyway.

[jiggajm18]

And they caught him anyway.

Ratinalization, rationalization. if I had to guess, at least 25-30% of white peoplee, at least, still prefer white people to black people.

and i'd guess that too.......but that doesn't apply to me. i've always thought both bonds and clemens were assholes. but i've always despised bonds more b/c of his denial of steroids and his continous whining about his treatment by the media.

[ShotgunDMB]

people come down harder on bonds because he's a total arogant jerkoff. maybe if he had a little class..things would be different.

[cryfreedom4136]

And they caught him anyway.

Ratinalization, rationalization. if I had to guess, at least 25-30% of white peoplee, at least, still prefer white people to black people.

I am going to let you in on a little secret that applies to all races, not just white people

[MistreatedLewis]

and i'd guess that too.......but that doesn't apply to me. i've always thought both bonds and clemens were assholes. but i've always despised bonds more b/c of his denial of steroids and his continous whining about his treatment by the media.

ok. I mean I don't not believe you - but do I think that America has a whole hates Bonds more and that some of that has to do with race? Not a question on my mind.

[malarks26]

Well, you're the one who has to deal with your own conscience. So it doesn't matter to me anyway.

Yup...and Bonds is innocent too, right? He's done nothing wrong? His shoe size and hat size growing over the past 7 years means nothing?

[MistreatedLewis]

I am going to let you in on a little secret that applies to all races, not just white people

Maybe so. But it's still a truth.

[MistreatedLewis]

Yup...and Bonds is innocent too, right? He's done nothing wrong? His shoe size and hat size growing over the past 7 years means nothing?

He's as guilty as Clemens and Canseco and Andy Pettite and Rafeal Palmeiro.

[rickyh24]

lets go already

[MistreatedLewis]

I'm sad that Lo Duca is on the list.

[malarks26]

He's as guilty as Clemens and Canseco and Andy Pettite and Rafeal Palmeiro.

At least you admit he's guilty.

[jiggajm18]

He's as guilty as Clemens and Canseco and Andy Pettite and Rafeal Palmeiro.

i'm sorry, but bonds is more guilty if he lied to a federal grand jury. plain and simple.

[dmbphan041]

are they naming guys yet? I'm sure the feed in Canada is on some sort of delay, it usually is.

[groton]

i'm sorry, but bonds is more guilty if he lied to a federal grand jury. plain and simple.

QFT
:thumbsup

[MistreatedLewis]

i'm sorry, but bonds is more guilty if he lied to a federal grand jury. plain and simple.

He's not more guilty of using steroids however.

[arm30]

here's the whole report off mlb.com

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/news/mitchell/index.jsp

[jiggajm18]

He's not more guilty of using steroids however.

nope, i agree with you. :thumbsup

[LaDude]

All 409 pages: http://i.l.cnn.net/cnn/2007/images/12/13/mitchell.report.pdf

[MistreatedLewis]

7 Cy Youngs Clemens has won, thanks to drugs. 7 Cy Youngs. Amazing.

[jiggajm18]

7 Cy Youngs Clemens has won, thanks to drugs. 7 Cy Youngs. Amazing.

and my respect for greg maddux is going up big time after today.

[ShotgunDMB]

these guys are fuckin losersssss.

[rickyh24]

fucking clemens