is Oink gone for good?

[Hilly]

Oh, this is turning into a great thread, btw. Streetlight Manifesto? :lol

YAY!!!! Streetlight Manifesto! : )

[DMBtheStoned]

Well... it is due to theft.

Their equipment was stolen. Not due to their albums being downloaded.

[deadendstreet]

Bummer. So much of the stuff that I got was no longer available anywhere else. Boo!

Agree. I actually found a CD on Oink that I couldn't find anywhere (been looking for 5 years). However, for the most part I was just a cheap a-hole. So, I'll end up getting what I deserve.

[Hilly]

and making poor music.

Not at all!!! They're music is consistantly awesome.

[pkrfan97]

FYI, there are two "oink" chatrooms on soulseek. #1: OiNK #2: oink (chat rooms are case sensitive)

[dmbphan041]

So what are the chances of any user getting trouble anyways?

And yeah, that's just as bad :lol Poor mom.

heh. man, if the cops show up for my parnents, they're gunna be piiiissed,

[Arby]

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No where in my post did I say, "...that by downloading all of your albums from OiNK or another BT site, you aren't stealing?"

My point is, how high will their level of control go, where will it end? When did sharing become illegal, when someone can 'share' by simply copying and mailing? It's because of the large scale 'sharing' that they can't line their pockets with! And if you read it, I said that OiNk was dead wrong.

This is NOT about piracy or moral wrong doing. If they could get a piece of every song that was illegally downloaded, OiNK and Demonoid would broadcast from ivy towers! The RIAA would dump every artist and support file sharing sites. What was Prohibition about?

Always has been. It's illegal to make a copy of a CD for a friend. Online file sharing is easier to follow than someone just burning a CD tho.

[jenben41]

I didn't belong to OiNK, but all the 'holier than thou' pitches are nauseating.

Anyone remember when you taped your favorite songs from the radio or from the telly? You may have even shared/mailed copies to your friends. Are you a thief? What about your great Aunt Agnes who mailed you a copy of her favorite Sex and the City episodes? Is she Rikers bound? What about if I bought a cd, new or used, burn it to discs then shared them with friends? Criminal?

I believe this is more than about piracy, it's about control. They can not control the internet and by control I mean tax it, make a profit from it, steal money from us. OiNK was different because they shared pre-released material and that was very wrong. But is it now criminal to share because it's being done on such a large scale? You certainly can't check every CD mailer to see if someone is 'sharing' a cd they bought and then copied to 200 friends.

The music industry is living high on the hog (lol, how fitting) and our favorite artists are in no danger of going bankrupt.

What is the difference between mailing it or file-sharing it?

Control.

This is a misconception, IMO. There's a thread over in the Poli Sci Forum about file sharing and a point I and someone else tried to make was that MOST of the people in "the industry" are regular, poor-middle class schmoes who do it for the love of their profession- marketing, music making, SONGWRITING, engineering, etc... There are a select few at the top (namely the 4 big labels) who are the greedy pigs (and several rock stars, too, but they don't count). Really, very few of us are living the high life. Trust me.

It doesn't matter if it's buying a bootleg on a street corner or ripping it off of a site. you are still CONSUMING the music (key word). The rate at which people are illegally CONSUMING downloads blows the rate at which you and everyone else taped a song off of the radio at age 12 right out of the water. It's way more efficient.

Now I do appreciate the revolutionary aspect of all this. One day (soon, I hope) it will be more desirable to purchase the media you consume and more will be available for free by way of promotion. This has caused some good things to happen- namely the shakeup of the major labels. Go into a major's office and you will find a dark and frightened place. Many of you said that they are pissed they can't control what we listen to, and that's true. Who wouldn't agree with that?

What gets me is that the guy didn't profit off of OiNK. He did it for sheer exploitation, which is almost worse, IMO.

It will always be easy to justify it as sticking it to the man, but so many little people are getting fucked and not a damn cent goes to them anyway from RIAA collections. Ridiculous on both ends.

[jenben41]

Always has been. It's illegal to make a copy of a CD for a friend. Online file sharing is easier to follow than someone just burning a CD tho.

"sharing" is such a pretty word, isn't it?

[The Onion]

i had like 1gb downloaded, and some incredibly minuscule amount uploaded. i guess it's the jailhouse for me.

[DMBtheStoned]

You guys assume that every album d/l would have been bought legally if it couldn't be downloaded. Not true. Many of the albums I d/l I would never buy anyways. They are not losing a dime by me downloading it.

[dmbphan041]

serious question, will they go after users, yes or no?

I want know, for my own sanity.

and does this apply to Canada (I'm assuming it will)

[TwoStep2888]

serious question, will they go after users, yes or no?

I want know, for my own sanity.

I have my money on 'No'. Pursuing legal action against 200,000 individuals seems highly implausible to me. You never know, I guess, but threats like this are made all the time. They're rarely carried out, and, when they are, only a select few are targeted.

[Arby]

serious question, will they go after users, yes or no?

I want know, for my own sanity.

and does this apply to Canada (I'm assuming it will)

No one knows for sure right now I think. But if I were to guess, Id say they go after the people at the WAY top who uploaded a ton of stuff.

[dmbphan041]

I have my money on 'No'. Pursuing legal action against 200,000 people seems highly implausible to me.

I was thinking the same thing, but I got to thinking about the legal fees and the whole idea that it's incomparable to the amount of money that was up on oink (say if every ablum was $10 x I have no idea, 50,000 albums)

do I make sense at all?

[dmbphan041]

No one knows for sure right now I think. But if I were to guess, Id say they go after the people at the WAY top who uploaded a ton of stuff.

this'll bite me in the ass later on, but I think i was up around 200gbDL/100gbUL.

[hawks10]

You guys assume that every album d/l would have been bought legally if it couldn't be downloaded. Not true. Many of the albums I d/l I would never buy anyways. They are not losing a dime by me downloading it.

Good point:thumbsup

[willthethrill]

serious question, will they go after users, yes or no?

I want know, for my own sanity.

and does this apply to Canada (I'm assuming it will)

I've seen it stated that feds have said they're "going after users" before and nothing has come of it. I really wouldn't worry about it unless you're a top dog.

[TwoStep2888]

No one knows for sure right now I think. But if I were to guess, Id say they go after the people at the WAY top who uploaded a ton of stuff.

Yeah, that sounds about right. Again, going after 200,000 people is ridiculous. They'll most likely target big-time uploaders (maybe downloaders) and make examples of them. It sucks for those few people, but that course of action is the most practical.

[deadendstreet]

this'll bite me in the ass later on, but I think i was up around 200gbDL/100gbUL.

I don't know if I can imagne that much music on one computer

[dmbphan041]

I don't know if I can imagne that much music on one computer

250gb external

[willthethrill]

I don't know if I can imagne that much music on one computer

It's only around 20,000 songs.

[dmbphan041]

*really.fuckin.worried*

[jcc522]

Always has been. It's illegal to make a copy of a CD for a friend. Online file sharing is easier to follow than someone just burning a CD tho.


Damn, then i guess every cd player/burner making company should be shut down, every computer company that makes computers with burners should be shut down, every company that makes blank cd's should also have to pay :BANG

[TwoStep2888]

I was thinking the same thing, but I got to thinking about the legal fees and the whole idea that it's incomparable to the amount of money that was up on oink (say if every ablum was $10 x I have no idea, 50,000 albums)

do I make sense at all?

Yeah, you do, but I don't see something on the scale of prosecuting 200,000 people happening, no matter how much money's involved. That number is just ridiculously large for something like this.

[Desi]

You guys assume that every album d/l would have been bought legally if it couldn't be downloaded. Not true. Many of the albums I d/l I would never buy anyways. They are not losing a dime by me downloading it.

LOL


To each his own and this can and will be debated forever. Big man, little man, man left out in the cold. It's always the middle class/worker/man on the totem pole who gets screwed.

Bottom line for me is, the RIAA can't control the flow. In the beginning, Apple and a few other sites were sharing files left, right, coming and going for free and no one had a problem with it, artists were happy to get their music exposed. Someone from RIAA came out of their billion dollar coma long enough to realize their pockets weren't being lined and the witch hunt began.

[TwoStep2888]

Damn, then i guess every cd player/burner making company should be shut down, every computer company that makes computers with burners should be shut down, every company that makes blank cd's should also have to pay :BANG

No. CD Burners are perfectly legal for backing up personal files, and making copies for personal use. Burning music for other people is technically a misuse of said technology, and is illegal.

[On Bended Knees]

are you guys really nervous they are gonna arrest oink users? are you kidding me?

[deadendstreet]

It's only around 20,000 songs.

Still, that's a lot of songs (to me, at least). I think I have 5,000 on my computer, most off cd's I bought.

[jcc522]

No. CD Burners are perfectly legal for backing up personal files, and making copies for personal use. Burning music for other people is technically a misuse of said technology, and is illegal.


Sure..... kinda like the rolling papers at gas stations are really made "for tobacco use only"

[DMBtheStoned]

are you guys really nervous they are gonna arrest oink users? are you kidding me?


I'm not worried one bit.

[TwoStep2888]

are you guys really nervous they are gonna arrest oink users? are you kidding me?

We're all going to jail! :lorraine

Still, that's a lot of songs (to me, at least). I think I have 5,000 on my computer, most off cd's I bought.

Yeah, same here. I have 7000 songs on my iTunes right now. I can't imagine having more than three times that. That'd be insane.

[Mattstl1]

Sure..... kinda like the rolling papers at gas stations are really made "for tobacco use only"

:lol :thumbsup

[TwoStep2888]

Sure..... kinda like the rolling papers at gas stations are really made "for tobacco use only"

Exactly.

[Arby]

Damn, then i guess every cd player/burner making company should be shut down, every computer company that makes computers with burners should be shut down, every company that makes blank cd's should also have to pay :BANG

Burners and blank CDs wernt made for illegal music sharing. People just use them that way.

Its the same thing with....say, blut wraps. Why arnt they illegal? Because they are technically made for tobacco. Even tho everyone knows that no one uses them for tobacco.

[Arby]

Sure..... kinda like the rolling papers at gas stations are really made "for tobacco use only"

:lol

I didnt read this post before I made the exact same argument.

[Minarets#40]

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No where in my post did I say, "...that by downloading all of your albums from OiNK or another BT site, you aren't stealing?"

My point is, how high will their level of control go, where will it end? When did sharing become illegal, when someone can 'share' by simply copying and mailing? It's because of the large scale 'sharing' that they can't line their pockets with! And if you read it, I said that OiNk was dead wrong.

This is NOT about piracy or moral wrong doing. If they could get a piece of every song that was illegally downloaded, OiNK and Demonoid would broadcast from ivy towers! The RIAA would dump every artist and support file sharing sites. What was Prohibition about?dude, copying a CD and mailing it to your friend is illegal too...

[deadendstreet]

dude, copying a CD and mailing it to your friend is illegal too...

I think he said that in a previous post. Maybe I'm wrong though

[pkrfan97]

:lol @ the second video response to the news report: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuwwMZKYxag

[BotheDMBFan]

I'm proud to be an American.

[jcc522]

:lol

I didnt read this post before I made the exact same argument.


My point is that *insert paper making company name* makes the rolling papers knowing that people are gonna roll a j with it, just like Dell makes cd burners for computers knowing that people burn cds using it..


http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=5725771&type=product&id=1057490438375

^^^^^ i own that, please explain to me how that was meant to "back up your personal files", and not to make copies of cd's for all your buddys

[PeaceLuvDMB]

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/media/article2580824.ece


http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1571/is_2004_Feb_16/ai_112938307

[TwoStep2888]

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/media/article2580824.ece


http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1571/is_2004_Feb_16/ai_112938307

Yes. The RIAA does take legal action against those who pirate music. Thank you for sharing.

[Arby]

My point is that *insert paper making company name* makes the rolling papers knowing that people are gonna roll a j with it, just like Dell makes cd burners for computers knowing that people burn cds using it..


http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=5725771&type=product&id=1057490438375

^^^^^ i own that, please explain to me how that was meant to "back up your personal files", and not to make copies of cd's for all your buddys

They can get around it legally. Obviously that product is aimed at people who are burning CDs illegally, but it doesnt matter. The company that makes it just has to cover their ass, and in the instruction book say its not for illegal music sharing.

Plus, there's also legal music sharing it can be used for. Making copies of audience recorded live DMB stuff for example.

[deadendstreet]

They can get around it legally. Obviously that product is aimed at people who are burning CDs illegally, but it doesnt matter. The company that makes it just has to cover their ass, and in the instruction book say its not for illegal music sharing.

Plus, there's also legal music sharing it can be used for. Making copies of audience recorded live DMB stuff for example.

Burning music you buy off of iTunes

[ZjR326]

Thats a lota dimp

[Robby~C]

well either way....things are a little gayer today then they were yesterday.

[Hurting_Donkey]

well either way....things are a little gayer today then they were yesterday.

Excellent use of the word 'gay'. :shrug

[HenriOU]

I'm fairly nervous. Didn't donate. Just downloaded around 35 GB and Upped 44.

[TwoStep2888]

I'm fairly nervous. Didn't donate. Just downloaded around 35 GB and Upped 44.

You're fine. Don't worry.

[HenriOU]

You're fine. Don't worry.

Why should I be confident?

[TwoStep2888]

Why should I be confident?

They're targetting donors, as well as those who uploaded prereleased material. Even if they do go after the big fish there, 35gb/44gb is nothing.

[MGH4007]

They're targetting donors, as well as those who uploaded prereleased material. Even if they do go after the big fish there, 35gb/44gb is nothing.


thats good to hear, I donated:BANG

[ModestMouse2003]

:lol @ the second video response to the news report: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuwwMZKYxag

I didnt know the oink users had a "paid subscription" :rolleyes

[TwoStep2888]

thats good to hear, I donated:BANG

Ouch. Hopefully, this is just posturing by the industry, and nothing will actually happen.

[cfjess012]

i donated $5? do you think i'm fucked?

[TwoStep2888]

i donated $5? do you think i'm fucked?

No idea. I'm still not sure they'll go after users at all.

[dmbphan041]

They're targetting donors, as well as those who uploaded prereleased material. Even if they do go after the big fish there, 35gb/44gb is nothing.

again, at 200gb/100gb I should be worried, yes?

[TwoStep2888]

again, at 200gb/100gb I should be worried, yes?

Maybe. If they do anything at all, you might be close to the limit. There are people with TBs to their name, though.

[MGH4007]

Maybe. If they do anything at all, you might be close to the limit. There are people with TBs to their name, though.

TB's?

[TwoStep2888]

TB's?

Terabytes. 1000GB.

[dmbphan041]

Maybe. If they do anything at all, you might be close to the limit. There are people with TBs to their name, though.

that's what I was thinking, still scared though. even if it's fines. I cant fathom what 100gigs of UL is worth.

[TwoStep2888]

that's what I was thinking, still scared though. even if it's fines. I cant fathom what 100gigs of UL is worth.

I still doubt the users are going to be targeted. I just don't see that happening.

[dmbphan041]

I still doubt the users are going to be targeted. I just don't see that happening.

I like you.:)

[TwoStep2888]

I like you.:)

:lol Oh, thank you.

[Arby]

Can't you just say you downloaded all of the files in question off iTunes?

[TwoStep2888]

Can't you just say you downloaded all of the files in question off iTunes?

The presence of the files is irrelevant. They now have record of every ip that ever accessed the tracker, when they accessed it, and what they downloaded, thanks to their seizure of the OiNK servers. Delete, rename, do whatever you want. None of that matters. It's done.

[MGH4007]

When did this actually happen?

[deadendstreet]

When did this actually happen?

I guess today...maybe last night

[Arby]

When did this actually happen?

Early this morning I think. Which would be late moring/early afternoon over there.

[TGaucho]

So, in the past few months, TV Links is toast, OiNK is slaughtered, Torrentspy and isohunt stall traffic for the U.S., and Canada gets blocked from Demonoid.
isohunt still works for me (from the US) :shrug
Does anyone think this might HURT the music industry? Think about it and come along on a ride with me for a second...

people will be stealing music one way or another, either through Limewire or various bitTorrent sites. Its like just like anything else, you cut the head off one site, you have another 5 show up in its place. For me personally, I listen to the bands I listen to and SUPPORT them, i.e. buy their CDs and go to their concerts.

HOWEVER, for bands I've never heard, but heard about, I'd download some of their songs or albums, and if I liked them, I'd go out and buy their CD to SUPPORT them. Its much like test driving a car, except for that whole illegal thing. :lol Am I in the minority here? If they get rid of all illegal file sharing, how would I possibly have actually listened to bands like Umphrey's McGee or Wilco or Arcade Fire and then went out and bought their CDs? Hence, less CD sales. Anyone following me?
Agreed. :thumbsup
Half of the artists I listen to today I would've never heard of had I not pirated the music.:thumbsup
also agreed. That's the absolute truth right there. :thumbsup :thumbsup
whether it "should" or "shouldn't" is not the issue.
the bottom line is that it's illegal.
it's not a judgement call. it's black and white.
riiiiiiiiiiight. So everything that's illegal is wrong, eh? All the laws are perfect and pure and just? Is that what you're saying? :lol

what a ridiculous statement
exactly. it seems to me a lot of people just take the law at face value because it's easier than actually thinking that perhaps the law is flawed.
Exactly. Thank you. :thumbsup

[MGH4007]

I wonder if they do happen to target users, if the amount if invites given out would have to do with anything.

[TGaucho]

i can't wait to see what Bob Lefsetz has to say about this.

[dmbphan041]

i can't wait to see what Bob Lefsetz has to say about this.

que?

[dmbfd15]

Well this is the end of my stealing music days for sure.

[deadendstreet]

Well this is the end of my stealing music days for sure.

word

[Arby]

Well this is the end of my stealing music days for sure.

Thats what you think

[BigMikeDMB]

where will ppl start to go? I got everything form there music news new stuff DL's everything...where will we go? where should we go?

[JorgeCavos]

Yeah, what other sites can I steal from, without OiNK...i'm nothing.

[TheOtherside]

Well this is the end of my stealing music days for sure.

word

quitters

[Dancing Ants]

http://idolator.com/tunes/the-law/th...cks-314216.php


Once the OiNK news broke, Jess got a request from his pal Mark Pytlik: "hey, if you havent already, you guys seriously need to talk to an internet copyright lawyer and figure out how much danger oink's userbase is actually in right now. there are a ton of people bricking themselves out there and no sites or blogs seem to have much in the way of reliable information as far as that stuff goes." Informed speculation? On the Internet? That's such an anomalous occurrence that I had to track down a couple of legal types, and asked them how much OiNK's now-former-users should be worrying about the possibility of their being prosecuted.



First, I chatted with an American intellectual property litigator who asked to remain anonymous, and asked him basically the same question posed by Pytlik:

They should be very, very scared. There are at least two reasons why this is not just your average, everyday, run-of-the-mill file sharing copyright infringement: this involves music that has not yet been commercially released, and money changed hands.

Because the music has not yet been commercially released, as a practical matter, the fair use defense effectively disappears. The leading case involved The Nation beating Harper & Row to press by publishing merely "between 300 and 400 words" of President's Ford's memoirs; the Supreme Court held that "The Nation effectively arrogated to itself the right of first publication, an important marketable subsidiary right." Harper & Row Pubs., Inc. v. Nation Enters., 471 U.S. 539, 548-49 (1985). "First publication is inherently different from other [exclusive copyright] rights in that only one person can be the first publisher;... the commercial value of the right lies primarily in exclusivity. Because the potential damage to the author from judicially enforced 'sharing' of the first publication right ... is substantial, the balance of equities in evaluating such a claim of fair use inevitably shifts." Id. at 553.

That fact also makes it criminal infringement, because it is "the distribution of a work being prepared for commercial distribution, by making it available on a computer network accessible to members of the public, if such person knew or should have known that the work was intended for commercial distribution." 17 U.S.C. § 506(a)(1)(C). (A "'work being prepared for commercial distribution' means ... a musical work ... or a sound recording, if, at the time of unauthorized distribution (i) the copyright owner has a reasonable expectation of commercial distribution; and (ii) the copies or phonorecords of the work have not been commercially distributed." 17 U.S.C. § 506(a)(3)(A).) Of course, it's also criminal because "the infringement was committed ... for purposes of commercial advantage or private financial gain." 17 U.S.C. § 506(a)(1)(A).

Prison terms for this stuff run up to 3-5 years for first offenses, 10 years for repeats. 18 U.S.C. § 2319(a), (c).

Yipes! As a follow-up, I asked two questions: Whether or not it was likely for prosecution to occur in the US, and whether or not the idea that any money that changed hands was donated--as opposed to the fees being a membership requirement--made a difference as far as "commercial distribution" goes:

The legal issue of what constitutes infringement in the US stays the same--there still has to be an infringing act in the US, or importation into the US. There are probably differences among the protections that US, UK, Netherlands, and EU law afford to subscriber information, but unfortunately, I don't know the other countries' law, so I don't know whether those differences are material.

As far as money goes, remember that "commercial advantage or private financial gain" can include the benefits of barter and the like. So the fact that, in your [description of OiNK's ratio rules], "they had to assist in infringement in order to keep infringing" might be enough.

Ah, those ratio requirements--they'll always get you.

Later, I had a quick IM exchange on the subject with MCBarrister, a Washington-based attorney with a background in IP and Internet law:

mauraidolator: So basically I am curious as to whether or not you think it's likely that authorities in the US will try to go after American users of OiNK; there's a threatening message on the front page of the site right now, and the freaking-out has commenced, as you might imagine.
MCBarrister: I think it depends on how quickly the RIAA gets its hands on any of the server logs. That's partly facetious, but I don't see the U.S. Department of Justice using its resources right now for criminal investigations of copyright infringement. The overseas raids were criminal matters--I don't expect the same here. Plus, there's an interesting issue of whether the UK and Dutch authorities would share the information with a private party. There are long-running debates over data treatment and security between the US and EU.
But if RIAA does get the logs and data, then there will be hell to pay for anyone who used credit cards [to donate]; those who maintained membership via upload will be a little harder to trace because you'd have to follow the IP addresses, and ISPs are not always willing to hand over their customers without court orders
mauraidolator: i'm pretty sure that the donations were done via PayPal.
MCBarrister: Hrmmm. PayPal is owned by eBay, which has pretty liberal policies about helping IP rights owners. I think it would still take a court order, but PayPal / eBay would be more likely to hand over personally identifying information that universities have proven more unwilling to give.
mauraidolator: What is interesting to me is the rough estimates of where the users came from -- I've read that the US-based membership of the site was as high as 50%, even though the site was located in the UK.
MCBarrister: It's not that surprising, depending on the content. I graduated from college before there was a graphical Internet, so I never really participated in these activities--but I have a rough sense that lots of US-based university students were playing since they have access to the best net connections around. My cable modem would choke on the kind of uploading necessary to support what I would want back down, assuming I had anything that was of value to the network in my vinyl rips.
mauraidolator: same here
MCBarrister: My bottom line--there should be some level of fear, but the action is going to be from the RIAA (again), not the feds, unless a new US Attorney General (once confirmed) has a real passion for prosecuting IP violations.
mauraidolator: Has there been any word on his attitude towards IP violations yet?
MCBarrister: I haven't noticed--the mainstream coverage has focused on his willingness to back the administration's claims of independence from the rule of law when it affects them personally, and a short time searching on Google turns up nothing more relevant.

So, there you have it. And if the new US Attorney General is excited by the idea of going after illegal downloaders? Well, look on the bright side, ex-OiNKers: There could always be another terrorist attack! That would certainly tie him up for a while.

[Dancing Ants]

Well this is the end of my stealing music days for sure.

same here. i mean, i'll still use BT for etree and stuff, but yeah...no more secret sites for me. luckily i didn't use oink much anyway...so hopefully i'll be ok. *prays*

[DMBtheStoned]

Yeah, what other sites can I steal from, without OiNK...i'm nothing.

Google "torrent" would probably be the 1st step..

[dmbphan041]

that news story didnt really help things.

[deadendstreet]

that news story didnt really help things.

Ha. I know what you mean.Well, I never donated and only dl 1G and ul 500 mb. So I'm not going to worry about it. My guess is Demonoid is next

[Dancing Ants]

that news story didnt really help things.

the one i posted is saying that pretty much the guys they are targeting is the owners of the site, the guys who ran it, power users and people who uploaded leaked stuff. everyone else is just side dish.

[Arby]

http://idolator.com/tunes/the-law/th...cks-314216.php


Thanks. Looks like US people should not be too scared. Especially if you didnt donate. If you did donate, it might not be too good of a thing...

[dmbphan041]

the one i posted is saying that pretty much the guys they are targeting is the owners of the site, the guys who ran it, power users and people who uploaded leaked stuff. everyone else is just side dish.

to me it seemed to say anyone who used the site was in trouble, if not right now, then in a matter of time. And me, having a ridiculous amount both uploaded, and downloaded, would be in the category of "fucked in the goat ass"

:ggoat:hump

[BotheDMBFan]

the one i posted is saying that pretty much the guys they are targeting is the owners of the site, the guys who ran it, power users and people who uploaded leaked stuff. everyone else is just side dish.

I still have my lawyer on speed dial.(I mean, I did anyways, but still...)

[dmbphan041]

and Canada did just block demonoid...

fuck.

[TGaucho]

que?
http://www.lefsetz.com/

a former industry exec who blogs about music news. Usually a pretty interesting read when it comes to this subject

[Dancing Ants]

I still have my lawyer on speed dial.(I mean, I did anyways, but still...)

yeah probably not a bad idea. maybe they'll come for us all next year. if that happens, there's nothing you can do but settle and pay what they want. :shrug

[Dancing Ants]

http://www.lefsetz.com/

a former industry exec who blogs about music news. Usually a pretty interesting read when it comes to this subject

does he have anything up about this?

[dmbphan041]

yeah probably not a bad idea. maybe they'll come for us all next year. if that happens, there's nothing you can do but settle and pay what they want. :shrug

which like likely to be several thousand, if not tens of thousands of dollars.

[TGaucho]

does he have anything up about this?
not yet, but soon i expect.

[BotheDMBFan]

yeah probably not a bad idea. maybe they'll come for us all next year. if that happens, there's nothing you can do but settle and pay what they want. :shrug

Building a concrete case against this many people(over 100,000) would take a very long time over an issue this small(in comparision to other issues). I'm thinking they just go after the big dogs, but let the rest off.

[chr35919]

http://www.lefsetz.com/

But they need to count on their managers for advice. The managers are on THEIR team, aren’t they?

ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?? The managers only eat when the band does. So, if the act’s off the road, the manager’s living on savings. Same deal with the agent. So what do the manager and agent SAY? TAKE THE MONEY! Go on tour, make that endorsement deal, IT’S GOOD FOR YOUR CAREER! But how often is it? Not as frequently as the manager and agent say it is. Most times, it’s about the money. But they don’t care, BECAUSE YOU’RE NOT THEIR ONLY CLIENT! Now, more than ever, the big time acts are managed by the usual suspects, with careers longer than the acts they represent. Their loyalty isn’t to the players, but themselves. Hell, they’re gonna OUTLAST THE PLAYERS! As for the agents, loyalty in a business where the acts switch teams on a regular basis? No way. Show me an agent who’s willing to let their act stay home and I’ll show you someone who’s about to be fired by his boss.

So you can make a lot of money with your own operation these days, but the money’s not guaranteed. Do you think the attorney is going to tell you to go it alone WHEN HE’S ON A PERCENTAGE?

It’s not only the record labels who are ensconced in the old world. It’s the entire music business infrastructure. Don’t blame the labels for forsaking artist development, the lawyers, managers and agents JUST AREN’T INTERESTED IN IT! Artist development is how long it takes to go from the red to the black. If that’s a month, GOOD JOB! Whatever it takes to hit critical mass.

The above is not the Radiohead model. The difference in the Radiohead model is the fans perceive the band is beholden to THEM! How did Radiohead do this? BY LEAVING MONEY ON THE TABLE! It’s not about the money they made selling downloads at a consumer-determined price, it’s how cool it made the band look. When you made your offer, you didn’t feel ripped off. Whereas you feel ripped off every time you buy a CD and go to a show for most of the other major acts.

If you want to have a long career, you’ve got to think of your audience first. And that’s the fan, not the label or the promoter. What’s going to enhance your relationship with the FAN! Good music at a fair price. Same deal with concert tickets.

Look at the Dave Matthews Band. The tickets never hit $100. Usually are half of that. And, if you join the fan club, you WILL get a good ticket, because the band controls half the house. Money is being left on the table here for sure, but it comes back because the DMB can sell out arenas or their equivalent year after year WITHOUT A HIT RECORD!good stuff

[funksoul]

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/media/article2580824.ece


http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1571/is_2004_Feb_16/ai_112938307

THAT'S why I don't read the newspaper...because it's garbage!

[HenriOU]

I am still scared to death and I didn't download that much or donate any cash.

[ecarlson8]

dramatic re-enactment of oink bust:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_42QugHuWfs&eurl

[dmbphan041]

http://oink.cd/

ok, now I'm worried.

[jaking1185]

I never donated, UL'd about 48 GB and DL'd about 9. Like other have said the ones who uploaded 100's of requests and TB's of data should be concerned.

I will still download off my other sites, but I doubt I will UL any of my stuff anymore.

[MGH4007]

how long has the site been running for?

[deadendstreet]

http://oink.cd/

ok, now I'm worried.

I don't think it's anything to be worried about, at least not more that already were before you saw that

[willthethrill]

dramatic re-enactment of oink bust:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_42QugHuWfs&eurl

What movie is that?

[deadendstreet]

What movie is that?

The Core

[Robby~C]

dramatic re-enactment of oink bust:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_42QugHuWfs&eurl

:thumbsup

[TGaucho]

good stuff
indeed. His commentary is usually pretty interesting, and he's used DMB to help make his points more than once. :thumbsup

[TheGoodGoodTime]

I donated like $5. Only downloaded like 15GB and upped like 7GB.

I reformatted my computer and closed my paypal account. What else can I do?

[BlueWaterBF36]

^ I would imagine they have much bigger fish to fry than you.

[willthethrill]

I donated like $5. Only downloaded like 15GB and upped like 7GB.

I reformatted my computer and closed my paypal account. What else can I do?

I don't know if there's anything you can erase because all the data are stored on the tracker which they now have.

But like he said^, don't worry.

[TheGoodGoodTime]

I dunno I am freaking out now. This could ruin a lot in my fucking life all because I downloaded a couple of CDs.

Well I learned a lesson for sure.

[dmbphan041]

I dunno I am freaking out now. This could ruin a lot in my fucking life all because I downloaded a couple of CDs.

Well I learned a lesson for sure.

me too man, me too.

[DMBtheStoned]

I donated like $5. Only downloaded like 15GB and upped like 7GB.

I reformatted my computer and closed my paypal account. What else can I do?

Whats done is done. They already have record of you d/ling music deleting the files isn't going to change that.

[DMBtheStoned]

I dunno I am freaking out now. This could ruin a lot in my fucking life all because I downloaded a couple of CDs.

Well I learned a lesson for sure.

Your over reacting. I'm not gonna worry till a letter shows up in my mailbox. Worrying isn't gonna help the situation. This has happened before on many torrent sites.

[ecarlson8]

I dunno I am freaking out now. This could ruin a lot in my fucking life all because I downloaded a couple of CDs.

Well I learned a lesson for sure.

they got alot of work to do before they show up at your doorstep. thats if they even are willing to give the riaa access to the server user records. if that happens then all they got is your IP address and unless you donated money with a credit card (but paypal might have to be involved there), so now with a IP addy they have to contact your service provider and not all service providers give out that info free without a fight.

they want to know who these people are who are releasing the new cds early .. thats the big fish there looking for

[Arby]

Your over reacting. I'm not gonna worry till a letter shows up in my mailbox. Worrying isn't gonna help the situation. This has happened before on many torrent sites.

For some reason, it seems like this one is bigger and different than 'other torrent sites.'

Maybe its just me

[ecarlson8]

For some reason, it seems like this one is bigger and different than 'other torrent sites.'

Maybe its just me

no its just cause this site was so good and reliable. people also had the idea that it was untouchable. nothing is in this day and age.

oink has always been "download at your own risk" pretty much.. if you didnt know that then you were just stupid

[funksoul]

I can't beleieve they do this before I have a chance to grab Brittney's hot new release

[Arby]

I did most of my Oink work in the dorms at MSU last year. I know that MSU (as well as many universities, I believe) doesnt give away IP addresses on the first offense. They send a warning tho.

[MGH4007]

Isnt there another torrent site, one that is literally impossible to get into now? I know i created a thread on it a while go, or at least topped one but i cant recall what it is called.

[DMBtheStoned]

demonoid ?

[ecarlson8]

pirate bay and demonoid

[Rockyall107]

anyone so kind as to throw me an invite to demonoid???

[ecarlson8]

official police arrest photo:

http://nymag.com/images/2/daily/entertainment/07/10/23_pigarrest_lgl.jpg

[TGaucho]

pirate bay and demonoid
and isohunt

[BotheDMBFan]

anyone so kind as to throw me an invite to demonoid???

So, this whole thing...not a deterrant for you?

[MGH4007]

demonoid ?

pirate bay and demonoid


no and no.

Its much, much differrent. I heard it was much better than oink. Its not a site that you can get an invite too

[DMBtheStoned]

no and no.

Its much, much differrent. I heard it was much better than oink. Its not a site that you can get an invite too

:confused was unaware of a site better than oink.

[Arby]

official police arrest photo:

http://nymag.com/images/2/daily/entertainment/07/10/23_pigarrest_lgl.jpg

:lol :lol :lol

Damn that is perfect

[DMBtheStoned]

So, this whole thing...not a deterrant for you?


Not one bit...I'm grabbing a tv show off piratesbay right now.

[DMBtheStoned]

official police arrest photo:

http://nymag.com/images/2/daily/entertainment/07/10/23_pigarrest_lgl.jpg


:lol:lol:lol:lol

[ecarlson8]

So, this whole thing...not a deterrant for you?

it will never go away... unless they got a plan to close down the internet

[MGH4007]

:confused was unaware of a site better than oink.


thats because its pretty much unexistant to anyone that isnt a memeber already

[BotheDMBFan]

Not one bit...I'm grabbing a tv show off piratesbay right now.

Wow.

[curlycal]

i was so excited to come home from work and check my ratio... only to find out that the feds are investigating my ratio.

[ecarlson8]

heres a great site for movies. reminds me of oink but for movies not music ;-)

http://leecherslair.com/

[MGH4007]

Found it.

http://luelinks.net/

cant even tell what type of site it is from the homepage, i cant imagine whats inside

[tmorry326]

Hmm...I don't want to even join this "new elitist site" but I really want to know the name of it. I bet they're pissed that OiNK is gone, so now everyone will be trying to get to it.

[MGH4007]

Hmm...I don't want to even join this "new elitist site" but I really want to know the name of it. I bet they're pissed that OiNK is gone, so now everyone will be trying to get to it.

its not new, its old, older than oink. No one here, or anywhere else will ever get in

[ecarlson8]

Found it.

http://luelinks.net/

cant even tell what type of site it is from the homepage, i cant imagine whats inside

wtf? is that a music site for real??

[jaking1185]

no and no.

Its much, much differrent. I heard it was much better than oink. Its not a site that you can get an invite too

That sounds promising. I doubt anyone who was a part of it would even talk about it, much less let anyone in they didn't know.

Interesting to try and find out though.

[MGH4007]

That sounds promising. I doubt anyone who was a part of it would even talk about it, much less let anyone in they didn't know.

Interesting to try and find out though.

I did, and posted it.

[MGH4007]

wtf? is that a music site for real??

not just music, from what I've gathered its anything you can imagine

[Arby]

No one here, or anywhere else will ever get in

I bet that place is rockin' with a ton of music and good seeders.

[jaking1185]

I did, and posted it.

Beat my post. You are quick. :)

That is a good cover page.

[willthethrill]

Found it.

http://luelinks.net/

cant even tell what type of site it is from the homepage, i cant imagine whats inside

I hear there's free beer.

[zachyd]

So who's gonna break into luelinks first?

It sonuds like a dream-land.

[MGH4007]

So who's gonna break into luelinks first?

It sonuds like a dream-land.

No, no one will.

[Erich]

i only cared for the music that couldnt be obtained otherwise, like the out of print shit that i collect.

[ecarlson8]

So who's gonna break into luelinks first?

It sonuds like a dream-land.

theres a username for lue.. we just need a password.. LOL

[zachyd]

No, no one will.

I find it hard to believe that it will forever remain closed off from the rest of the world.

[zachyd]

theres a username for lue.. we just need a password.. LOL

:lol

[Arby]

theres a username for lue.. we just need a password.. LOL

Try:

-lue
-password


....thats all I got

[MGH4007]

I find it hard to believe that it will forever remain closed off from the rest of the world.

Its never been open to my knowledge:cool

[DMBtheStoned]

Its never been open to my knowledge:cool

Then how do you know it exists?

[MGH4007]

Then how do you know it exists?

a geek computer friend of mine, and when there was an oink i talked to some old memeber there in the forums.

[zachyd]

Its never been open to my knowledge:cool

Well how do you know about it?

[DMBtheStoned]

a geek computer friend of mine

or he could be yanking your chain?

[ecarlson8]

a geek computer friend of mine, and when there was an oink i talked to some old memeber there in the forums.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=luelinks

[MGH4007]

or he could be yanking your chain?

sorry, check my edit

[zachyd]

a geek computer friend of mine, and when there was an oink i talked to some old memeber there in the forums.

The place sounds pretty lame. If there's hardly anyone in the site, then there wouldn't be many seeders and it would be slow download speeds galore.

[DMBtheStoned]

sorry, check my edit

ahh gotcha.

[MGH4007]

The place sounds pretty lame. If there's hardly anyone in the site, then there wouldn't be many seeders and it would be slow download speeds galore.

It originated because anothe site went down, only the memebers from that site were carried over

[DMBtheStoned]

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=luelinks


As some like to say, pwn

[Arby]

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=luelinks


ehh. I bet it really doesnt exist. It creates hype when really, there is no such thing. Otherwise info would have been leaked or hacked by now.

[ecarlson8]

more info:

http://non-tech-city.blogspot.com/2005/03/what-is-luelinks.html

[MGH4007]

As far as slow dl speeds and whatnot thats what i thought at first, but everyone who has known about it when I asked them said that it was an A+ site

[MGH4007]

As some like to say, pwn

more info:

http://non-tech-city.blogspot.com/2005/03/what-is-luelinks.html

yeah, not really

[MGH4007]

more info:

http://non-tech-city.blogspot.com/2005/03/what-is-luelinks.html

yeah, thats about as much as you can get on it.

[DMBtheStoned]

yeah, not really

:lol I was too early on the pwn call. damnit !

[Arby]

It's probably a kiddy-porn site or something.

[TheGoodGoodTime]

So seriously everybody thinks we'll be okay?

[justinandimcool]

So seriously everybody thinks we'll be okay?



3 hours later and I'm still freaking out.

[Senator12]

^I'm not gonna get too worried about it, I think the smaller fries will be ok. At least I hope...

[DMBtheStoned]

^I'm not gonna get too worried about it, I think the smaller fries will be ok. At least I hope...

:thumbsup same.

[Bartndrpleez]

Wow, was this an omen or what? Does Matt work for Interpol or IFPI or something... :lol

http://www.antsmarching.org/forum/showthread.php?t=206474&highlight=oink

[dmbphan041]

3 hours later and I'm still freaking out.

ditto.

[jaking1185]

My philosophy is always not to worry until you actually hear something. No sense getting stressed out right now.

[jaking1185]

Wow, was this an omen or what? Does Matt work for Interpol or IFPI or something... :lol

http://www.antsmarching.org/forum/showthread.php?t=206474&highlight=oink

I bet they got wind of it.

[DMBtheStoned]

My philosophy is always not to worry until you actually hear something. No sense getting stressed out right now.

:thumbsup:thumbsup Yup just what I've been saying this whole thread. Too many people are freaking out.

[Arby]

Wow, was this an omen or what? Does Matt work for Interpol or IFPI or something... :lol

http://www.antsmarching.org/forum/showthread.php?t=206474&highlight=oink

haha I know. I remember that thread, and it came to mind today. Weird

[justinandimcool]

As long as someone can assure me no jailtime and no thousand dollar fines I'll stop freaking out.

[TGaucho]

So seriously everybody thinks we'll be okay?
yes. No reason to freak out.

[noobpwnr]

sorry if this has been posted but here is an update from the IRC channel:

"Server raided | OiNK arrested this morning, now free | Report any new news to the ops (the ones that are not away!) and we will post it in here"

[DMBtheStoned]

I bet they got wind of it.

Nah I think it has more to do with the fact we have the Live Trax voting. I doubt the guys behind ants would want the bands management to think they supported d/l music illegally. Thus why I think they closed the thread.

[Arby]

I bet they got wind of it.

Yea, the IFPI and the BPI let some web-site admins know they were going to raid this guys house:lol

[jaking1185]

Yea, the IFPI and the BPI let some web-site admins know they were going to raid this guys house:lol

It couldn't have been that big a secret if they had the media there when they made the arrest of Oink himself.

[TempHelpNeeded]

All users of OiNK...check your e-mails now. E-mails of legal actions against each and every user are being sent out.

[dmbphan041]

As long as someone can assure me no jailtime and no thousand dollar fines I'll stop freaking out.

once again, me too.

[Arby]

All users of OiNK...check your e-mails now. E-mails of legal actions against each and every user are being sent out.

Joke?

[DMBtheStoned]

It couldn't have been that big a secret if they had the media there when they made the arrest of Oink himself.

True but they could have just said hey goto this address we're gonna have a big arrest today.

[jaking1185]

All users of OiNK...check your e-mails now. E-mails of legal actions against each and every user are being sent out.

:lol I was going to do that before, but I thought it was too mean.

[DMBtheStoned]

All users of OiNK...check your e-mails now. E-mails of legal actions against each and every user are being sent out.


:lol Dick..I checked!

[justinandimcool]

:lol I was going to do that before, but I thought it was too mean.

Jesus. I thought he was serious. I hate you Greg.

You don't even realize how my head is going to explode at the moment.

[jaking1185]

True but they could have just said hey goto this address we're gonna have a big arrest today.

I suppose. Maybe the Admins don't want anything to do with torrent sites anymore to keep them legally clear.

[DMBtheStoned]

As long as someone can assure me no jailtime and no thousand dollar fines I'll stop freaking out.

once again, me too.


You guys are going to freaking out for a long time then. Its not like overnight they are going to go after people. It could take months.

[justinandimcool]

Just the thought of the law going after me a few months from now makes me wanna throw up. I am so fucking scared.

[DMBtheStoned]

I suppose. Maybe the Admins don't want anything to do with torrent sites anymore to keep them legally clear.

Could you imagine if you tried to log onto ants and found out it got shut down for supporting illegal music downloads. That would blow!

[DMBtheStoned]

Just the thought of the law going after me a few months from now makes me wanna throw up. I am so fucking scared.

Dude relax..your 16..This kind of thing has been happening for the last 10 years and rarely do users get in trouble. Don't worry about it so much. Its very unlikely anything will happen to you.

[Arby]

Just the thought of the law going after me a few months from now makes me wanna throw up. I am so fucking scared.

I really think American users are pretty safe as long as they dont have a HUGE up/download number and they didnt donate

[jaking1185]

For all those freaking out, I hope you don't get in trouble, and learn from this and never get involved in file sharing again.

I for one will keep DL'ing stuff I am interested in but would never buy myself.

[justinandimcool]

Dude relax..your 16..This kind of thing has been happening for the last 10 years and rarely do users get in trouble. Don't worry about it so much. Its very unlikely anything will happen to you.

How much of a chance % wise is there that something would happen to me?

What do you think is the worst that could happen to me?

And how sure are you?


:BANG Curse the day I fell in love with DMB. And went onto Ants. And asked for an invite.

[noobpwnr]

for all those going through withdrawal
hxxp://web.archive.org/web/20070406183039/http://oink.me.uk/

[justinandimcool]

I really think American users are pretty safe as long as they dont have a HUGE up/download number and they didnt donate

almost 20 GB downloaded, almost 20 uploaded but all by leeching.

:lorraine

[jaking1185]

Could you imagine if you tried to log onto ants and found out it got shut down for supporting illegal music downloads. That would blow!

That would really suck. It would mean I couldn't argue with bellybuttonkid again. :lol

[TempHelpNeeded]

Joke?

:lol I was going to do that before, but I thought it was too mean.

:lol Dick..I checked!

Jesus. I thought he was serious. I hate you Greg.

You don't even realize how my head is going to explode at the moment.



:lol :lol


Sorry. I was going to give a quick "joke" response, but I started replying to e-mails.

[DavMattBandrums]

You guys are going to freaking out for a long time then. Its not like overnight they are going to go after people. It could take months.

3 years for copyright laws...

10/23/2010 everyone can breathe a sigh of relief

[TheGoodGoodTime]

at least you didnt fucking donate.

[justinandimcool]

3 years for copyright laws...

10/23/2010 everyone can breathe a sigh of relief

:lol Fuck you.

[Arby]

How much of a chance % wise is there that something would happen to me?

What do you think is the worst that could happen to me?

And how sure are you?


:BANG Curse the day I fell in love with DMB. And went onto Ants. And asked for an invite.

Percent? No one knows.

Worst that can happen? Fairly large fine.

How sure? 5%

[Arby]

3 years for copyright laws...

10/23/2010 everyone can breathe a sigh of relief

Markin the ol' calander now.

[justinandimcool]

If something bad happens I am totally offing myself. I knew it was fate that I lived right next to the LA river. 50 foot fall right there.

[PhishSticks40]

Well I was a little worried till I sparked this J, put on Big Eyed Fish from 4.20.02, and said fuck it.

[noobpwnr]

im not worried about it, i have no assets , no money , most they can do to me if tell me I have to pay but since i couldnt pay i would just go home and get high

[DMBtheStoned]

How much of a chance % wise is there that something would happen to me?

What do you think is the worst that could happen to me?

And how sure are you?


:BANG Curse the day I fell in love with DMB. And went onto Ants. And asked for an invite.

I'm not a lawyer but I did stay at a holliday inn express last night...

I'd say less than 10% chance anything will happen to you

Worst that could happen? Probably a fine. 5K or 25K..no idea.

How sure am I ? I've frequented other sites that have gone down to the similar thing and i've never been in trouble. Also I was a member on a former website dedicated to growing marijuana. People posted pictures, tips, etc. When it got shut down everyone freaked in the same nature and thats alot bigger punishment than downloading a couple cds. Nothing ever happened to any of the members that I heard of.

I really think they are more out to scare people. They shut down the site and will probably go after the bigger fishes I.E the people who upload leaked albums.

Well thats my 2 cents..

[DavMattBandrums]

:lol Fuck you.

Will Do.

No the funny thing is I have two good friends at were also on OiNK (and are fellow ants). One is FREAKING OUT HARDCORE and the other is calm as a 3 toed sloth. I talk to one = :lorraine .... then i call the other = :cool

Its been a bi-polar day for me haha.

[Arby]

If something bad happens I am totally offing myself. I knew it was fate that I lived right next to the LA river. 50 foot fall right there.

You can join the offical OiNK suicide pact

[PhishSticks40]

Fuck da police

[justinandimcool]

I'm not a lawyer but I did stay at a holliday inn express last night..but

I'd say less than 25% chance anything will happen to you

Worst that could happen? Probably a fine. 5K or 25K..no idea.

How sure am I ? I've frequented other sites that have gone down to the similar thing and i've never been in trouble. Also I was a member on a former website dedicated to growing marijuana. People posted pictures, tips, etc. When it got shut down everyone freaked in the same nature and thats alot bigger punishment than downloading a couple cds. Nothing ever happened to any of the members that I heard of.

I really think they are more out to scare people. They shut down the site and will probably go after the bigger fishes I.E the people who upload leaked albums.

Well thats my 2 cents..

Well that's sorta reassuring. I'm still scared. Thanks though. That somewhat helped.

[TheGoodGoodTime]

My roomate is in the same boat as me. Uploaded and Downloaded about the same as me, also donated. I think his anxiety is freaking me out. But for some reason I just have this idea that I am gonna be singled out. and thats causing me to freak.

[PhishSticks40]

My roomate is in the same boat as me. Uploaded and Downloaded about the same as me, also donated. I think his anxiety is freaking me out. But for some reason I just have this idea that I am gonna be singled out. and thats causing me to freak.

how muh did yall u/l d/l ?

[dmbphan041]

almost 20 GB downloaded, almost 20 uploaded but all by leeching.

:lorraine

200down/100up

I'm fucking shiting myself.

[PhishSticks40]

200down/100up

I'm fucking shiting myself.


Did you ever Upload an album that had not yet been released?

[trippinchad]

I can see how many of you would definately feel uncomfertable with the entire ordeal, but I don't think anything will happen to you guys...

[Arby]

200down/100up

I'm fucking shiting myself.

Donate anything?

[justinandimcool]

200down/100up

I'm fucking shiting myself.

I honestly wish you were here. At my house. I need someone who I can cry on yet understands. :lorraine

[DavMattBandrums]

You can join the offical OiNK suicide pact

I'm thinking I'd rather try to draw out my trail as long as possible (3-4 years?) Get my schooling done ASAP ( 4 more semesters of undergrad, masters and Ph. D. in that time?). Then Dr. Leonardo Silva is G.T.F.O (getting the fuck out) to Brazil (they can't not let me back into my country of citizenship can they?) and then off to the DOWN UNDER!

Get banned for the USA; Australia is 2nd best! DMB Tour in Aussie in 3-4 years, anyone???

[PhishSticks40]

I honestly wish you were here. At my house. I need someone who I can cry on yet understands. :lorraine


*lends shoulder and a cold beer to justinandimcool*

[dmbphan041]

Did you ever Upload an album that had not yet been released?

no

Donate anything?

no

still, I'm a very paranoid/anxious person, and this really isnt helping. I already dont really sleep or eat too well because of school stress.

[deadendstreet]

If something bad happens I am totally offing myself. I knew it was fate that I lived right next to the LA river. 50 foot fall right there.

Dude that's not funny. You won't go to jail. You may have a fine, which sucks, but life goes on. Someone said your 16? If you get into trouble and have to pay a fine be responsible about it and help your parents. They'll get over it.

[PhishSticks40]

I'm thinking I'd rather try to draw out my trail as long as possible (3-4 years?) Get my schooling done ASAP ( 4 more semesters of undergrad, masters and Ph. D. in that time?). Then Dr. Leonardo Silva is G.T.F.O (getting the fuck out) to Brazil (they can't not let me back into my country of citizenship can they?) and then off to the DOWN UNDER!

Get banned for the USA; Australia is 2nd best! DMB Tour in Aussie in 3-4 years, anyone???

hahaha HELLYEAH to the Austrialia dmb tour in 3 to 4 years!

[dmbphan041]

I honestly wish you were here. At my house. I need someone who I can cry on yet understands. :lorraine

same.:lorraine

[justinandimcool]

Dude that's not funny. You won't go to jail. You may have a fine, which sucks, but life goes on. Someone said your 16? If you get into trouble and have to pay a fine be responsible about it and help your parents. They'll get over it.

Part of me isn't even joking. With college apps and grades stressing me out, and my friends being shit friends, I'm going absolutely nuts.

[DMBtheStoned]

If something bad happens I am totally offing myself. I knew it was fate that I lived right next to the LA river. 50 foot fall right there.

Woah Dude! I missed this earlier but this is definitely not something that you off yourself over. I know its easier to say than do but try to relax. I remember what it was like to be young and overreact about things like this. Its really not something to end your life over.

[PhishSticks40]

Part of me isn't even joking. With college apps and grades stressing me out, and my friends being shit friends, I'm going absolutely nuts.


PLEASE worry more about apps and grades then this, that stuff is far more important and realistic than this, sure your bothered now, your in the heat of the moment, but shit will cool down and youll be okay man. I am just about positive nothing will happen to you, or me. no worries mate! :cool

[Arby]

Part of me isn't even joking. With college apps and grades stressing me out, and my friends being shit friends, I'm going absolutely nuts.

Dude, if you are even a little serious, just step back and think about it. My guess is nothing at all will happen to you.

IF! something does, it will be a fine. Maybe a few thousand dollars. I know that sounds like a lot, but its NOT worth even thinking about ending your own life over.

[jaking1185]

Part of me isn't even joking. With college apps and grades stressing me out, and my friends being shit friends, I'm going absolutely nuts.

As someone with a little more life experience all I can say is don't stress about this right now. Go on living your life like you normally would. Everything will be ok, and the world will not end.

For your own sake DO NOT ever get involved in file sharing again.

[TheGoodGoodTime]

If legal actions are taken against me I am basically fucked. My whole career will be flushed down the toliet.

[Arby]

Part of me isn't even joking. With college apps and grades stressing me out, and my friends being shit friends, I'm going absolutely nuts.

And trust me, I know ecaxtly how you feel about college apps, grades, AND friends being shit friends. Seriously, I do.

It gets so much better in college. Youll be 100% fine.

[DMBtheStoned]

If legal actions are taken against me I am basically fucked. My whole career will be flushed down the toliet.

explain.

[Arby]

If legal actions are taken against me I am basically fucked. My whole career will be flushed down the toliet.

What do you do?

[DMBtheStoned]

And trust me, I know ecaxtly how you feel about college apps, grades, AND friends being shit friends. Seriously, I do.

It gets so much better in college. Youll be 100% fine.

and then it gets so much better after college.

[zdaddy]

i think i read that the RIAA has charged 28,000 people for piracy in its entire history. There were 200,000 current OINK users, probably just as many that used it in the past. Thats 400,000 people, which is 14 times the amount of people who have ever been charged. Your chances are slim, and if they actually do go after us, your looking at a $3000 settlement max a few years from now.

[PhishSticks40]

He works for Red Light.

[Dancing Ants]

almost 20 GB downloaded, almost 20 uploaded but all by leeching.

:lorraine

hahah...i'm at 17dl/12-13ul. chill son. you didn't donate or seed leaked stuff did you? cause they're hitting them first.

[DavMattBandrums]

Part of me isn't even joking. With college apps and grades stressing me out, and my friends being shit friends, I'm going absolutely nuts.

your welcome to join MY PLAN (http://www.antsmarching.org/forum/showpost.php?p=6746006&postcount=478)

:thumbsup

[zdaddy]

If legal actions are taken against me I am basically fucked. My whole career will be flushed down the toliet.
are you in Criminal Justice?

[Arby]

and then it gets so much better after college.

I hope so. How so tho?

[DMBtheStoned]

i think i read that the RIAA has charged 28,000 people for piracy in its entire history. There were 200,000 current OINK users, probably just as many that used it in the past. Thats 400,000 people, which is 14 times the amount of people who have ever been charged. Your chances are slim, and if they actually do go after us, your looking at a $3000 settlement max a few years from now.


Remember how everyone flipped out when Napster got shut down? There must have been hundreds of thousands of users.