is Oink gone for good?

[dmbphan041]

i think i read that the RIAA has charged 28,000 people for piracy in its entire history. There were 200,000 current OINK users, probably just as many that used it in the past. Thats 400,000 people, which is 14 times the amount of people who have ever been charged. Your chances are slim, and if they actually do go after us, your looking at a $3000 settlement max a few years from now.

doubt it. I read an article (i'll try and find it) they're charging people $15-$3,000 per song.

[DMBtheStoned]

I hope so. How so tho?

No more school. Getting a real job. Buying your first house. etc

[zdaddy]

doubt it. I read an article (i'll try and find it) they're charging people $15-$3,000 per song.
thats if you fight it. Unless you are a Godlike figure in pirating, they will settle out of court to avoid the court costs themselves

[Dancing Ants]

As someone with a little more life experience all I can say is don't stress about this right now. Go on living your life like you normally would. Everything will be ok, and the world will not end.

For your own sake DO NOT ever get involved in file sharing again.

word. i'm 21, i was freaking out earlier, but when you realize what's actually going down, how they're looking for the power users and leak seeders, it's not that big a deal for you. i hope we'll all be fine and learned our lesson (i sure as hell did).

besides, don't worry about things you can't change. there's really no reason for that at all.

[Arby]

No more school. Getting a real job. Buying your first house. etc

To me, that translates to:

No more parties. Working 9-5 for the rest of my life. Huge expenses/loans.

:lol

[deadendstreet]

Give it a week. You'll feel better.

Justin, once you get a college e-mail, go to ruckus.com. You can download music off of it for free legally. The only catch is you can't burn it unless you pay. But you can at least preview CD's.

[hylidaea]

um... :freak

http://oinkmemorial.blogspot.com/

an Oink memorial. :lol

[PhishSticks40]

Well goddamn I'm done stealing music......

[DavMattBandrums]

doubt it. I read an article (i'll try and find it) they're charging people $15-$3,000 per song.

thats if you make it to court.. there is a website up already that you can go on, upload a list of stuff you downloaded, and get a predicted settlement price, around $3000. The only catch is if you deciede not to go through with it.. I'm guessing youll just get a copy of the list you sent in back in the mail with a judge order to pay. Entrapment anyone?

[Dancing Ants]

doubt it. I read an article (i'll try and find it) they're charging people $15-$3,000 per song.

15 dollars or 15,000 dollars?

[zdaddy]

Remember how everyone flipped out when Napster got shut down? There must have been hundreds of thousands of users.
Throw KaZaa in there. There had to be millions using it. All of my friends and my friends parents used those

[Dancing Ants]

thats if you make it to court.. there is a website up already that you can go on, upload a list of stuff you downloaded, and get a predicted settlement price, around $3000. The only catch is if you deciede not to go through with it.. I'm guessing youll just get a copy of the list you sent in back in the mail with a judge order to pay. Entrapment anyone?

a site set up by the RIAA? that's crazy. talk about scare tactics.

[DMBtheStoned]

To me, that translates to:

No more parties. Working 9-5 for the rest of my life. Huge expenses/loans.

:lol


:lol:lol Actually I think you got me there..

[dmbphan041]

15 dollars or 15,000 dollars?

$15.

[justinandimcool]

Thanks for the kind words you guys. You all somewhat helped. But it'll be in the back of my mind for a long time.

[Dancing Ants]

$15.

really? wow. hmm...well i guess we'll see what happens. i think i will start putting a little money off...maybe i can save up some if worse comes to worse.

[jaking1185]

Thanks for the kind words you guys. You all somewhat helped. But it'll be in the back of my mind for a long time.

That's the best place to put it right now.

[Dancing Ants]

Thanks for the kind words you guys. You all somewhat helped. But it'll be in the back of my mind for a long time.

that's what they want. they want to scare the crap out of us (and they've succeeded for the most part). just don't do it again and you'll be fine. stick to the etrees of the world.

[deadendstreet]

15 dollars or 15,000 dollars?

If you settle, it would probably be 5 thousand at the most.

Why don't we all e-mail the RIAA admitting guilt and see our options. At least we won't have to worry about it any longer. lol

[PhishSticks40]

If you settle, it would probably be 5 thousand at the most.

Why don't we all e-mail the RIAA admitting guilt and see our options. At least we won't have to worry about it any longer. lol

ef that lol

[justinandimcool]

that's what they want. they want to scare the crap out of us (and they've succeeded for the most part). just don't do it again and you'll be fine. stick to the etrees of the world.

I'm never sharing a file ever again, if that's what they wanna hear. Because after this no way in hell am I getting music illegally anymore. You couldn't pay me to.

I just hope you're 100% right on this man.

[Arby]

If you settle, it would probably be 5 thousand at the most.

Why don't we all e-mail the RIAA admitting guilt and see our options. At least we won't have to worry about it any longer. lol

You first....tell us what they say.

[Dancing Ants]

I'm never sharing a file ever again, if that's what they wanna hear. Because after this no way in hell am I getting music illegally anymore. You couldn't pay me to.

I just hope you're 100% right on this man.

i'm mostly saying it for my benefit as well, but if it happens it happens. let them clear the other stuff up first.

[zdaddy]

You first....tell us what they say.
no kidding. Ive been lucky and skillful enough to avoid the Fuzz on so many ocassions. Heres to another escape!

[deadendstreet]

You first....tell us what they say.

No, thanks. I was kidding anyway.;)

[DavMattBandrums]

that's what they want. they want to scare the crap out of us (and they've succeeded for the most part). just don't do it again and you'll be fine. stick to the etrees of the world.

True... I'll take this as a close call and put my torrent days behind me.

Funny though how its such a part of life... Me and my roommate have been talking about this all day. Yet not even 5 minutes ago we were listening to Phish (Julius) and Trey and Fish just lined up perfect of this build and came out of it pefect with everyone else... so I was like
"Kelly. Where is this from?"
and he replied "The '01 IT Festival.. want the cd?"
"No bro its fine I'll just downloaaa.... Yeah, why do you toss that cd over"

Im learning :)

[zachyd]

You first....tell us what they say.

He's an RIAA spy trying to lure us into confessing by toying with our fear and pretending to be helping us with ways of ensuring the minimum punishment.

[Dancing Ants]

He's an RIAA spy trying to lure us into confessing by toying with our fear and pretending to be helping us with ways of ensuring the minimum punishment.

they will probably already have you dead to rights man. they need no spies if the news is true.

[Dancing Ants]

True... I'll take this as a close call and put my torrent days behind me.

Funny though how its such a part of life... Me and my roommate have been talking about this all day. Yet not even 5 minutes ago we were listening to Phish (Julius) and Trey and Fish just lined up perfect of this build and came out of it pefect with everyone else... so I was like
"Kelly. Where is this from?"
and he replied "The '01 IT Festival.. want the cd?"
"No bro its fine I'll just downloaaa.... Yeah, why do you toss that cd over"

Im learning :)

i see that. mostly i used it for sampling, then buying. i doubt they'd care, but that's what i used it for. after the first maybe 4-5 months, i stopped being able to upload, so my ratio was in the shitter anyway.

[deadendstreet]

they will probably already have you dead to rights man. they need no spies if the news is true.

I wonder how many spys that had on OINK

[Dancing Ants]

I wonder how many spys that had on OINK

honestly, who cares anymore? let's let this thread die. just accept what's happened and move on folks.

[jaking1185]

I wonder how many spys that had on OINK

probably a few. It's been an ongoing investigation for 2 years.

[jaking1185]

honestly, who cares anymore? let's let this thread die. just accept what's happened and move on folks.

You're right. Let's all move on.

P.S. the first person nailed can bring this back. ;)

[dmbphan041]

my mum's telling me not to worry. Good ol mumma. It also helps my dad's a criminal defense lawyer, not like he can hold i candle to the guys the RIAA have, but still, it's comforting in a way. Besides I don't even think they'll do anything to people in Canada, if they do anything to anyone at all.

:morecalmthaniwas

[DMBtheStoned]

my mum's telling me not to worry. Good ol mumma. It also helps my dad's a criminal defense lawyer, not like he can hold i candle to the guys the RIAA have, but still, it's comforting in a way. Besides I don't even think they'll do anything to people in Canada, if they do anything to anyone at all.

:morecalmthaniwas

You told your mom?!

[zdaddy]

my mum's telling me not to worry. Good ol mumma. It also helps my dad's a criminal defense lawyer, not like he can hold i candle to the guys the RIAA have, but still, it's comforting in a way. Besides I don't even think they'll do anything to people in Canada, if they do anything to anyone at all.

:morecalmthaniwas
at least you would be able to consult a lawyer for free if they did come after you.

[PhishSticks40]

Dude your parents are working for overseas law enforcement, you just fucked yourself over...

[DMBtheStoned]

Dude your parents are working for overseas law enforcement, you just fucked yourself over...

Who?

[PhishSticks40]

Who?

DMBphans

[dmbphan041]

You told your mom?!

yea.... I tell my mum everything. well most things.

[justinandimcool]

I think I'm just gonna cry on my mom without telling her. If I told her she'd flip out. I'll just act like I'm sad over college, which I am.

[hylidaea]

You're right. Let's all move on.

P.S. the first person nailed can bring this back. ;):thumbsup :lol :lol

I think I'm just gonna cry on my mom without telling her. If I told her she'd flip out. I'll just act like I'm sad over college, which I am.
:hugJustin:hug You'll be fine! :)

[TGaucho]

Just the thought of the law going after me a few months from now makes me wanna throw up. I am so fucking scared.
dude. You'll be fine. Seriously. Don't worry about it. There's no reason to believe that anyone in the US will recieve any flack from this.

[zachyd]

they will probably already have you dead to rights man. they need no spies if the news is true.

Pssst...I'm kidding...

[zachyd]

I think I'm just gonna cry on my mom without telling her. If I told her she'd flip out. I'll just act like I'm sad over college, which I am.

You'll be okay man. Don't worry, I'm in the same boat, with the whole parents thing, but I told my mom and we just laughed about how crazy the music industry is (it helps that she keeps up to date with it all though...don't know how your mom is). It really wasn't like confessing to her I have killed someone or have a drug addiction or anything like that.

It'll be all right. :)

[deadendstreet]

I think I'm just gonna cry on my mom without telling her. If I told her she'd flip out. I'll just act like I'm sad over college, which I am.

If it makes you feel better, my wife told me I that I shouldn't sign up for Oink because we'd get caught. I told her "Naaaaaaaah". She's going to shit her pants. lol.

[funksoul]

word. i'm 21, i was freaking out earlier, but when you realize what's actually going down, how they're looking for the power users and leak seeders, it's not that big a deal for you. i hope we'll all be fine and learned our lesson (i sure as hell did).

besides, don't worry about things you can't change. there's really no reason for that at all.

With all do respect what lesson did you learn? Don't host an international bit torrent site with copywritten music?

Seriously guys it will be ok. Please calm down. You are thinking way too highly of yourself if you REALLY think there is someone out there out to get little old you. You are just a tiny blip on a GLOBAL radar.

[Arby]

With all do respect what lesson did you learn? Don't host an international bit torrent site with copywritten music?

Seriously guys it will be ok. Please calm down. You are thinking way too highly of yourself if you REALLY think there is someone out there out to get little old you. You are just a tiny blip on a GLOBAL radar.

There are multiple cases of 'blips' getting caught.

[DMBtheStoned]

We are just small fishes in their eyes.

[justinandimcool]

With all do respect what lesson did you learn? Don't host an international bit torrent site with copywritten music?

Seriously guys it will be ok. Please calm down. You are thinking way too highly of yourself if you REALLY think there is someone out there out to get little old you. You are just a tiny blip on a GLOBAL radar.

I'm gonna go ahead and listen to this guy because it makes me feel better.

[Arby]

Maybe Radiohead will pay everyone's court settlements....to show their hate for the record companies.

[dmbphan041]

I'm gonna go ahead and listen to this guy because it makes me feel better.

ditto.

[killymagee2000]

Oink had approx 180,000 users. It would be a colossal waste of time and resources for the authorities to prosecute every single user criminally. Moreover, for the record industry to go after every individual, or even a portion thereof, who used Oink, would cost them a lot of money in legal fees and investigation. In other words, its just not economically feasible. The only people who need to worry, at this point, would be the site admins, users who uploaded advanced copies of albums and possibly donators.

[funksoul]

I'm gonna go ahead and listen to this guy because it makes me feel better.

Well I'll make you feel better. There are millions of copyright law infractions occuring online everyday ranging from illegal music, to movies, plagarism, etc. Tomorrow there will continue to be millions more. Just based on your age you have a good 5-8 years of terrible decisions ahead of you. Worry about underage drinking and driving, STD's, getting good grades. Honestly man your 20gb or whatever is an insignificant blip in the world of music downloading. It's the equivalent of a major pot dealer getting busted and the cops finding a note on him that he owes you a joint.

[davehead86]

This got so big I knew that I wasnt going to sign on to it. I still use Limewire infrequently so as not to draw attention to myself.

[justinandimcool]

Well I'll make you feel better. There are millions of copyright law infractions occuring online everyday ranging from illegal music, to movies, plagarism, etc. Tomorrow there will continue to be millions more. Just based on your age you have a good 5-8 years of terrible decisions ahead of you. Worry about underage drinking and driving, STD's, getting good grades. Honestly man your 20gb or whatever is an insignificant blip in the world of music downloading. It's the equivalent of a major pot dealer getting busted and the cops finding a note on him that he owes you a joint.


I'm gonna go and assume you're someone who knows what you're talking about. Because this post makes me feel so much better above all else's for some reason :lol

[funksoul]

I'm gonna go and assume you're someone who knows what you're talking about. Because this post makes me feel so much better above all else's for some reason :lol

Good move...I'm very intelligent :lol

Now the fact that your state is on fire is a true cause for concern. :(

[justinandimcool]

Good move...I'm very intelligent :lol

Now the fact that your state is on fire is a true cause for concern. :(

Very intelligent, I'm glad. You have no idea. I can actually eat now. :lol

Yeah. Pretty much everyone I know from the affected areas are alright, so I'm thankful for that.

[JorgeCavos]

I told my mom because I don't give a shit. She laughed. I never donated or uploaded that much so I'm not worried in the least bit.

[TwoStep2888]

Wow. Everyone's freaking out.

Settle down. Nothing's going to happen. It's going to be okay.

[MGH4007]

Wow. Everyone's freaking out.

Settle down. Nothing's going to happen. It's going to be okay.

Yeah, more imporantly why worry, whats done is done. The only thing to do now is just relax, this is a pretty stupid problem in the large picture. Its music, no one gets hurt or killed over it, nor will anyone. Lets look at it in the worst case, you get fined some money. (simplified of course) No one will look down on you because you got free music off the internet. Most everyone does it.

"the best thing about music, when it hits your ears you feel no pain"

[DMBtheStoned]

"the best thing about music, when it hits your ears you feel no pain"

Unless you have your headphones turned up too loud

[TwoStep2888]

Unless you have your headphones turned up too loud

:thumbsup That shit will kill you.

[MGH4007]

Unless you have your headphones turned up too loud

:thumbsup That shit will kill you.

well i thought that was always taken into context with bob...sorry for the mishap

[ExistenceNow]

Holy shit. I just got home from work and this is the carnage that awaits me?

Oh well. Everyone thought when they popped Napster, that the end of file sharing was at hand. There are still thousands of torrent sites out there, we just lost one of the best ones. For every Napster there is a KazAa, for every Oink there is a....

[ExistenceNow]

Furthermore, I'm laughing at how their focus is on the leaked material. This stops nothing. The same people who had access to the leaked material in the first place (i.e. the one's who first procured it, then leaked it) still have said access. They will just find another tracker to leak it on.

[MGH4007]

Furthermore, I'm laughing at how their focus is on the leaked material. This stops nothing. The same people who had access to the leaked material (i.e. the one's who leaked it) still have said access. They will just find another tracker to leak it on.

and in all honesty i dont think the people who would up it on oink, or any other torrent site are the ones getting the music in the first place.

i also think its funny how they are focusing on music, there was pretty much everything except videos

[justinandimcool]

The fact that you're not worried makes me happy.

[Hilly]

You have to remember... they're never going to say "small users will be okay" because that just encourages small uses...

[DMBtheStoned]

The fact that you're not worried makes me happy.


Whats that, like 10 people now who told you not to worry! :lol

[collinsat12]

what if I used, but never inhaled?

[MGH4007]

yeah, does anyone know if anyone has gotton in trouble yet besides the mods?

[justinandimcool]

Whats that, like 10 people now who told you not to worry! :lol

More like 20 :lol

I don't know why, but Matthew's cooler head lifts my spirits.

[Mattstl1]

Jesus christ calm down everybody. This is exactly what they want. Fuckin scare tactics.

[DMBtheStoned]

Jesus christ calm down everybody. This is exactly what they want. Fuckin scare tactics.

only about 5 hours late..

[Benco]

oink will be back this weekend with the backups but it will be hosted and run by the tpb team. all ratios will be intact. alan is fine

-TooMuchTime.

Believe what you want. this was posted not 5 minutes ago though on the only blog he's been seen on today.

http://torrentfreak.com/oinkcd-servers-raided-admin-arrested/

Last Post way at the bottom

[ExistenceNow]

The fact that you're not worried makes me happy.

180,000+ users on a site based in another country. I'm sure they'll be getting around to charging us in about 2094.

[MGH4007]

oink will be back this weekend with the backups but it will be hosted and run by the tpb team. all ratios will be intact. alan is fine

-TooMuchTime.

Believe what you want. this was posted not 5 minutes ago though on the only blog he's been seen on today.

http://torrentfreak.com/oinkcd-servers-raided-admin-arrested/

Last Post way at the bottom

:lol:lol:lol, this cant be for real

[Benco]

:lol:lol:lol, this cant be for real

Sure it can. TooMuchTime has only posted twice all day, and it's on that blog. I have that from the_e_male, who is posting over on HDBits.

EDIT: But it could be BS too, you never know. The first post was 100% him though

[MGH4007]

Sure it can. TooMuchTime has only posted twice all day, and it's on that blog. I have that from the_e_male, who is posting over on HDBits.

this is awsome, was alan the mod?

[Mattstl1]

only about 5 hours late..

I was on these boards when it happened but figured the initial shock would wear off by now and people would actually think rationally. Arresting 200,000 users? Come on now.

[Benco]

this is awsome, was alan the mod?

Alan = OiNK (person).

[MGH4007]

Alan = OiNK (person).

as in the guy who got raided?

[DMBtheStoned]

I was on these boards when it happened but figured the initial shock would wear off by now and people would actually think rationally. Arresting 200,000 users? Come on now.

What I meant was I'm pretty sure everyone has calmed down except for maybe 1 dude.

[Benco]

as in the guy who got raided?

Yeah. The guy who was arrested by British police.

[justinandimcool]

180,000+ users on a site based in another country. I'm sure they'll be getting around to charging us in about 2094.


Well that's reassuring. Seriously. It is :)

And by the way, I don't care if the site's gone for good. After this shit, I am done.

[Benco]

Well that's reassuring. Seriously. It is :)

And by the way, I don't care if the site's gone for good. After this shit, I am done.

Pussy. Nothing is going to happen to you. :lol

[justinandimcool]

What I meant was I'm pretty sure everyone has calmed down except for maybe 1 dude.

:lol Give me a break. I have to pay for college.

[DMBtheStoned]

Pussy. Nothing is going to happen to you. :lol

:thumbsup Ya I moved onto another torrent site about 5 minutes after I read oink got shut down :lol

[MGH4007]

Pussy. Nothing is going to happen to you. :lol

easy lol, we can all understand

[DMBtheStoned]

:lol Give me a break. I have to pay for college.

:lol No worries man. Your gonna be fine!

[dmbphan041]

Well that's reassuring. Seriously. It is :)

And by the way, I don't care if the site's gone for good. After this shit, I am done.


same. g'night.

:)

:monkey

[Mattstl1]

Pussy. Nothing is going to happen to you. :lol

:lol There is no way they could stop bittorrent or file sharing now. The odds of you getting put on trial for this shit is about the same as winning the lottery.

[justinandimcool]

*puts on legally downloaded Flecktones show*

[DMBtheStoned]

*puts on legally downloaded Flecktones show*

Thats the spirit :thumbsup

[Benco]

*puts on legally downloaded Flecktones show*

I'm still jamming out to D&F Bonnaroo 2004 official FLAC digital download.

Didn't pay for it either :)

[MGH4007]

can anyone load the oink.cd page? I cant

[Mattstl1]

*puts on legally downloaded Flecktones show*

:lol

[justinandimcool]

can anyone load the oink.cd page? I cant

I can't either :shrug

Fuck we're all going to jail. :lol


:lorraine

[DMBtheStoned]

can anyone load the oink.cd page? I cant

won't load for me either..

[MGH4007]

I can't either :shrug

Fuck we're all going to jail. :lol


:lorraine

i was just saying thats a plus, they took down the shit that was there

[willthethrill]

I can't either :shrug

Fuck we're all going to jail. :lol


:lorraine

At least you've got OJ Mayo to look forward to!

[justinandimcool]

At least you've got OJ Mayo to look forward to!

Yeah. He'll be molded into Kobe when he gets to the NBA. But if he brings us a title here, I'll be cool with that :cool


My guy this year is pretty much gonna be Tyler Hansbrough though, I'm sure you're proud of me for that.

[justinandimcool]

i was just saying thats a plus, they took down the shit that was there

:thumbsup Never thought of that.

[TempHelpNeeded]

:runsthroughnaked

[smudge1]

What the fingerfuck?

[LisaH]

:runsthroughnaked

[justinandimcool]

:runsthroughnaked

Greg was just in my room naked, by the way.

[ExistenceNow]

The only reason I found out Oink was down for the count, was that I went into Utorrent to check on some porn I set to download last night. Then I saw all my Oink seeds were down. One quick google, and wow.

[justinandimcool]

The only reason I found out Oink was down for the count, was that I went into Utorrent to check on some porn I set to download last night. Then I saw all my Oink seeds were down. One quick google, and wow.

You would've found out in here anyways :lol

[dythuger]

I cant believe how ridiculous this thread is. They are not going to arrest anyone. They just post stuff to scare people and try to deter them from downloading more. And from the looks of it around here, its working. Worst case scenario you get a fine. although thats unlikely due to it taking place in another country and by foreign authorities. they went around purdue "busting" people and they ended up settling them all out of court for under $2000. Isnt that worth what youve downloaded anyway?

Oh yea, its in another country. Im sure theyll forward it to the FBI and theyll extradite everyone on one big plane.

[HenriOU]

I can't either :shrug

Fuck we're all going to jail. :lol


:lorraine

Hey man I have been a basketcase as well. But I guess it will take some time.

[dythuger]

Your biggest worries should be if its possible to find a site as nicely run as oink.

[TheOtherside]

Im sure theyll forward it to the FBI and theyll extradite everyone on one big plane.

dude #1:what'd they get you for?

dude #2: fuckin' wilco.

[dythuger]

dude #1:what'd they get you for?

dude #2: fuckin' wilco.

dude# 1: the new Britney CD

dude #2: well at least you deserved it

[TempHelpNeeded]

Greg was just in my room naked, by the way.



and you loved it. :monkey

[esc2476]

I cant believe how ridiculous this thread is. They are not going to arrest anyone. They just post stuff to scare people and try to deter them from downloading more. And from the looks of it around here, its working. Worst case scenario you get a fine. although thats unlikely due to it taking place in another country and by foreign authorities. they went around purdue "busting" people and they ended up settling them all out of court for under $2000. Isnt that worth what youve downloaded anyway?

Oh yea, its in another country. Im sure theyll forward it to the FBI and theyll extradite everyone on one big plane.

You are completely wrong.

All the international authorities have to do is forward the information from Oink's servers to the FBI and let them take it from there. If the FBI wants to bring cases against people (through the Justice Dept), they will have the information.

Also, because the activity occured over the internet and in the US, the FBI has jurisdiction. There will be no extradition to a foreign country.

Finally, if they decide to not criminally prosecute anyone, the recording industry, the TV industry or the software industry can sue you in federal court. As an attorney, I can tell you that is not a fun process. After spending tens of thousands of dollars in legal fees, get ready for being indebted to the RIAA for the rest of your life unless you're lucky enough to settle for something less.

The ball is in their court now. It's up to them to do what they want, but if they want to make a federal case out of it, they can and they will.

That being said, I don't think they'll go after everyone. If they go after anyone, it would probably be the mega uploaders, those who leaked albums or those who donated.

[championmullo]

Poor old oink. Shame to see it gone.

The ironic thing is i decided about a month ago to stop getting illegal music, and only used oink to get audio rips of music DVDs that i own, and unreleased sbd live shows.

Anyway, i'm not worried, I'm Australian and i downloaded/uploaded a miniscule amount compared to most members.

[fred198524]

Poor old oink. Shame to see it gone.

The ironic thing is i decided about a month ago to stop getting illegal music, and only used oink to get audio rips of music DVDs that i own, and unreleased sbd live shows.

Anyway, i'm not worried, I'm Australian and i downloaded/uploaded a miniscule amount compared to most members.
Im in the same boat.

[TheGoodGoodTime]

i donated (like a year ago). so now i feel like i am so screwed.

[2steppinKJ]

Poor old oink. Shame to see it gone.

The ironic thing is i decided about a month ago to stop getting illegal music, and only used oink to get audio rips of music DVDs that i own, and unreleased sbd live shows.

Anyway, i'm not worried, I'm Australian and i downloaded/uploaded a miniscule amount compared to most members.

And you live in Canberra, Australia's land of porn and fireworks. No worries there either...

[thom hudson]

anybody get pinched yet?
:rolleyes

[LisaH]

anybody get pinched yet?
:rolleyes
:lol

You're all going down.

[kerplunk!]

:lol

You're all going down.

On you? You've got stamina, woman!

[Hilly]

if you're really worried about it, purge yourself of illegally downloaded music and start going about your music collection the legal way.

purging yourself of your collection of illegal tunes won't buy you safety, but it will buy you good karma.

[TempHelpNeeded]

Hilly, you are very intense about this. I can see some emotion coming out in your posts. Shot in the dark...starving artist or someone who works with the big wig companies?

[hylidaea]

God, am I the only one laughing at the Oink memorial site?

[Hilly]

Hilly, you are very intense about this. I can see some emotion coming out in your posts. Shot in the dark...starving artist or someone who works with the big wig companies?

People are scared and asking what they should do... You can't go back and undo what you've done, but you can change how you act in the future, and you can change how you handle things now.

I think this should serve as a good lesson learned for everyone.

[TempHelpNeeded]

People are scared and asking what they should do... You can't go back and undo what you've done, but you can change how you act in the future, and you can change how you handle things now.

I think this should serve as a good lesson learned for everyone.


I agree with your statements, but you dodged my question.


Do you have connections or ties to all this hooplah? (not directly, just in your interests)

[hylidaea]

A dramatic re-enactment of the raid: http://www.youtube.com/v/_42QugHuWfs

[Hilly]

I agree with your statements, but you dodged my question.


Do you have connections or ties to all this hooplah? (not directly, just in your interests)

No connections at all.... I've worked with some bands, who feel differently about the situation, but my finances are not now, nor have they ever been tied to album sales or affected by internet piracy.

[BotheDMBFan]

A dramatic re-enactment of the raid: http://www.youtube.com/v/_42QugHuWfs

HOLY ALREADY IN HERE BATMAN!

(Still love you, you crazy fishy-frog.)

[hylidaea]

HOLY ALREADY IN HERE BATMAN!

(Still love you, you crazy fishy-frog.)
Dammit. The rules forbid me to call you a fucksucking cocktard. I'll have to save it for IMs. :mad

[BotheDMBFan]

Dammit. The rules forbid me to call you a fucksucking cocktard. I'll have to save it for IMs. :mad

Oh yeah? Well...FUGAZI~!

[kerplunk!]

The only way the RIAA or police is going to put a dent in bootlegging or pirating is by targeting the major uploaders and those who enable them, and by those I don't mean downloaders. I bet you many of the uploaders were store clerks swiping CDs as they come in prior to release date. Maybe in conjunction with some major chain stores, authorities can slow this practice down?

It takes a hell of a lot to run a site like OiNK, and to keep it running. Someone was profiting monetarily speaking. Someone had to be. Because, when you get right down to it, just like the RIAA, it all comes to money. There was some "multi-national corporation" helping the OiNK staff, right?

Go after them. Go after the immediate OiNK staff and, perhaps, the top uploaders. Everyone else is small fries.

[BotheDMBFan]

The only way the RIAA or police is going to put a dent in bootlegging or pirating is by targeting the major uploaders and those who enable them, and by those I don't mean downloaders. I bet you many of the uploaders were store clerks swiping CDs as they come in prior to release date. Maybe in conjunction with some major chain stores, authorities can slow this practice down?

It takes a hell of a lot to run a site like OiNK, and to keep it running. Someone was profiting monetarily speaking. Someone had to be. Because, when you get right down to it, just like the RIAA, it all comes to money. There was some "multi-national corporation" helping the OiNK staff, right?

Go after them. Go after the immediate OiNK staff and, perhaps, the top uploaders. Everyone else is small fries.

I agree.

[MGH4007]

so all of you who are sad, like said earlier in the thread Oink will be back up and running most likely Saturday with the correct ratios running off of the backup servers.

[BotheDMBFan]

so all of you who are sad, like said earlier in the thread Oink will be back up and running most likely Saturday with the correct ratios running off of the backup servers.

So...this whole thing is a dead issue?

[MGH4007]

So...this whole thing is a dead issue?

no idea:confused Im a bit confused myself. I guess the founder of the site is alright and the site will be back. I just dont understand how this is all going down but thats what was said.

[pkrfan97]

For now, lots of people are flocking to Libble.com. You'll be to hit up their invite chatroom on IRC where a mod will PM you with an invite. It will be full your first try, but as soon as someone gets an invite, they're kicked, so just keep trying. Good luck! :)

[Hilly]

Its not a dead issue at all.

I'd like to think that because of this, people have seriously considered their ideas about piracy and file stealing.

[MGH4007]

http://torrentfreak.com/oink-admin-released-from-custody-071023/

here ya go, a little bit of info

[zachyd]

For now, lots of people are flocking to Libble.com. You'll be to hit up their invite chatroom on IRC where a mod will PM you with an invite. It will be full your first try, but as soon as someone gets an invite, they're kicked, so just keep trying. Good luck! :)

I can't get into the invite chat still after trying for quite a long time. Can anyone help?

[zachyd]

Its not a dead issue at all.

I'd like to think that because of this, people have seriously considered their ideas about piracy and file stealing.

Eh, when Napster was shut down, people just moved on to Kazaa and Limewire, etc.

So really, it's not going to do much.

[TheGoodGoodTime]

Its not a dead issue at all.

I'd like to think that because of this, people have seriously considered their ideas about piracy and file stealing.Hell yeah. I never want to download an album again. I am sitting in my room freaking out all because I downloaded 20GB of illegal music and donated $5 because I didnt want my account to be deleted from inactivity.

i am still freaking out and will continue to until I hear that I am not going to jail.

[MGH4007]

Hell yeah. I never want to download an album again. I am sitting in my room freaking out all because I downloaded 20GB of illegal music and donated $5 because I didnt want my account to be deleted from inactivity.

i am still freaking out and will continue to until I hear that I am not going to jail.

Relax man, the owner just has already been released from the popo

[Arby]

so all of you who are sad, like said earlier in the thread Oink will be back up and running most likely Saturday with the correct ratios running off of the backup servers.

Didnt the police take everything?

[TheGoodGoodTime]

Relax man, the owner just has already been released from the popoWhat does that even mean? Nothing really.
I wouldnt even be freaked out if I hadnt donated.

[Arby]

Relax man, the owner just has already been released from the popo

Released from questioning. He's still fucked tho.

[MGH4007]

Didnt the police take everything?

not the backups which i assume were not at his house or any other place they searched

What does that even mean? Nothing really.

not really, but I dont think anyone should be freeaking out like little girls

[TheGoodGoodTime]

not the backups which i assume were not at his house or any other place they searched



not really, but I dont think anyone should be freeaking out like little girlsI will continue to freka out like a little girl thank you.

[cfjess012]

I will continue to freka out like a little girl thank you.

the court costs would be insane for them to prosecute users, the MOST that would happen is fine slapped by the RIAA if they are forewarded all the server logs, even then the RIAA usually needs proof of the files on your computer. you're fine

[Dancing Ants]

no idea:confused Im a bit confused myself. I guess the founder of the site is alright and the site will be back. I just dont understand how this is all going down but thats what was said.

from what i've read, OiNK is gone for good. I've read some private emails that someone passed to me from people who had infiltrated OiNK. OiNK ain't comin back folks. The main target of the police was to shut the whole site down. That's what they did it for. To stop OiNK from operating, and to stop anyone from creating an oink-like site in the future.

[TheGoodGoodTime]

the court costs would be insane for them to prosecute users, the MOST that would happen is fine slapped by the RIAA if they are forewarded all the server logs, even then the RIAA usually needs proof of the files on your computer. you're fineWell I reformatted my computer. Fuck them.

but you donated too. Arent you even a little bit nervous?

[cfjess012]

yeah i'm a bit nervous, but I highly doubt anything is going to happen.

[chevman]

Hell yeah. I never want to download an album again. I am sitting in my room freaking out all because I downloaded 20GB of illegal music and donated $5 because I didnt want my account to be deleted from inactivity.

i am still freaking out and will continue to until I hear that I am not going to jail.

You won't be going to jail as copyright infringement is handled as a civil matter.

That being said, how did you donate to the site?

Via Paypal or actual credit card?

[pkrfan97]

from what i've read, OiNK is gone for good. I've read some private emails that someone passed to me from people who had infiltrated OiNK. OiNK ain't comin back folks. The main target of the police was to shut the whole site down. That's what they did it for. To stop OiNK from operating, and to stop anyone from creating an oink-like site in the future.

Like that'll ever happen...:rolleyes

[cfjess012]

You won't be going to jail as copyright infringement is handled as a civil matter.

That being said, how did you donate to the site?

Via Paypal or actual credit card?

paypal

[TheGoodGoodTime]

You won't be going to jail as copyright infringement is handled as a civil matter.

That being said, how did you donate to the site?

Via Paypal or actual credit card?paypal. And I closed my account there last night.

[Eh hee]

Its not a dead issue at all.

I'd like to think that because of this, people have seriously considered their ideas about piracy and file stealing.


If it's not a physical disc or an iTunes download, I don't want it. Believe me, I've mended my ways.

[deadendstreet]

If it's not a physical disc or an iTunes download, I don't want it. Believe me, I've mended my ways.


Yup, same here. I'm just trying to figure out how to delete my demonoid account.

[tmorry326]

Forget OiNK. The site was a pathetic joke. Paying donations to pay for hosting to download your free, copy written material? Please.

It was only a matter of time 'till it shut down. Invites were coming a dime a dozen, hell people could easily pick them up here everyday. Downloading music from OiNK was stealing music. People used OiNK and its servers to steal music. The fact so many people did it, through OiNK and other P2P and Torrent sites just diluted the fact.

Plus, like Idolator said "not to mention the fact that the site's catalog was only "everything you'd ever want" if you were a twentysomething white dude whose music taste began at "indie" and ended at "rock"--irritated the crap out of me."

I am really sorry to the people that downloaded gigs upon gigs worth of the music, as well as uploaded it, and donated to the site especially. My membership lasted all of a a month or two due to getting a ratio shut down right around 10gb's (download, up was barely 1gb) hell 1/2 of my traded shit was old DMB soundboards. Try keeping a tight ratio with those. I curbed any downloading there because I was so worried about keeping a nice sexy ratio for the OiNK-sters. The same ate itself whole.

Check out this info...regarding users safety.

They should be very, very scared. There are at least two reasons why this is not just your average, everyday, run-of-the-mill file sharing copyright infringement: this involves music that has not yet been commercially released, and money changed hands.

Because the music has not yet been commercially released, as a practical matter, the fair use defense effectively disappears. The leading case involved The Nation beating Harper & Row to press by publishing merely "between 300 and 400 words" of President's Ford's memoirs; the Supreme Court held that "The Nation effectively arrogated to itself the right of first publication, an important marketable subsidiary right." Harper & Row Pubs., Inc. v. Nation Enters., 471 U.S. 539, 548-49 (1985). "First publication is inherently different from other [exclusive copyright] rights in that only one person can be the first publisher;... the commercial value of the right lies primarily in exclusivity. Because the potential damage to the author from judicially enforced 'sharing' of the first publication right ... is substantial, the balance of equities in evaluating such a claim of fair use inevitably shifts." Id. at 553.

That fact also makes it criminal infringement, because it is "the distribution of a work being prepared for commercial distribution, by making it available on a computer network accessible to members of the public, if such person knew or should have known that the work was intended for commercial distribution." 17 U.S.C. § 506(a)(1)(C). (A "'work being prepared for commercial distribution' means ... a musical work ... or a sound recording, if, at the time of unauthorized distribution (i) the copyright owner has a reasonable expectation of commercial distribution; and (ii) the copies or phonorecords of the work have not been commercially distributed." 17 U.S.C. § 506(a)(3)(A).) Of course, it's also criminal because "the infringement was committed ... for purposes of commercial advantage or private financial gain." 17 U.S.C. § 506(a)(1)(A).

Prison terms for this stuff run up to 3-5 years for first offenses, 10 years for repeats. 18 U.S.C. § 2319(a), (c).


http://idolator.com/tunes/the-law/the-oink-fallout-should-its-ex+users-be-watching-their-backs-314216.php

[TempHelpNeeded]

Full updates on OiNK owner and what's happening to OiNK: http://oinkmemorial.blogspot.com/


A lawyers take on lawsuits and what users should expect: http://idolator.com/tunes/the-law/the-oink-fallout-should-its-ex+users-be-watching-their-backs-314216.php


http://enjoys.it/dontpanic.png

[TempHelpNeeded]

http://idolator.com/tunes/the-law/the-oink-fallout-should-its-ex+users-be-watching-their-backs-314216.php



Bastard beat me to it.

[hylidaea]

I don't think closing any accounts is going to help anything if you were already being eyeballed in the investigation. Deleting an account today will not erase records and logs from before today.

[Hilly]

I don't think closing any accounts is going to help anything if you were already being eyeballed in the investigation. Deleting an account today will not erase records and logs from before today.

I dont think it so much about "deleting records" as it is changing your ways.

And if you want to change your ways, starting with deleting accounts is a good way to go.

[deadendstreet]

I don't think closing any accounts is going to help anything if you were already being eyeballed in the investigation. Deleting an account today will not erase records and logs from before today.

It's not a matter of that. I realize the damage is done. I'm not worried. I have barley downloaded a gig on Oink and 2 or 3 gigs on Demonoid. IF they come after me then they will.

However, I am through with dl. I actually quit more than a month ago. But what's the point in having an account if I'm not going to use it? I'm not deleting it because I think they're coming to get me. I'm deleting it because I have no use for it.

[kerplunk!]

Folks, as usual, are being very melodramatic and overacting.

[hylidaea]

I dont think it so much about "deleting records" as it is changing your ways.

And if you want to change your ways, starting with deleting accounts is a good way to go.
Yes, it is, but I don't think that's what he meant. Deleting a PayPal account will do exactly what? Leave you without a PayPal account to use for any number of other types of transactions.

Any transactions from before today can be served up to investigators on a silver platter by PayPal at any time. The best you can hope for is either that PayPal won't cough up user account info, or that the lawsuits and/or criminal charges will not trickle down to the average casual user.

[TempHelpNeeded]

I dont think it so much about "deleting records" as it is changing your ways.

And if you want to change your ways, starting with deleting accounts is a good way to go.



Yeah, but you don't understand. Deleting an account on OiNK right now is pointless. It's just gathering attention to your username if anything. They have IP addresses in the system and locations of all users. Deleting an account is like, "hey you can't see me, oh shit, wait, you can."

[TheGoodGoodTime]

Folks, as usual, are being very melodramatic and overacting.But the real question is, is this overeacting justified?

Nobody has any legit info. People post stuff from the media, but the media has their facts wrong. People post this saying Oink users are screwed, but then somebody posts this saying Oink users shouldnt worry. Then people say donators are fucked, then leakers are fucked, then just the big guys are fucked. None of these articles meet anywhere, so they're all just a big waste of time.

[Hilly]

No one's mentioned deleting anything on oink.

[TempHelpNeeded]

No one's mentioned deleting anything on oink.



OiNK or any other illegal bit torrent engine for that matter. Your info is there already, if you want to save your ass just don't download. If you don't care then just keep going.


No offense Hilly, but no one is listening to your self righteous battle against piracy. People will pirate and no one can stop them. Heard of the Drug War? Welcome to the one on the internet.

[Hilly]

OiNK or any other illegal bit torrent engine for that matter. Your info is there already, if you want to save your ass just don't download. If you don't care then just keep going.


No offense Hilly, but no one is listening to your self righteous battle against piracy. People will pirate and no one can stop them. Heard of the Drug War? Welcome to the one on the internet.

Yes, the info is there. But if you want to take a proactive step towards changing your habits, why not delete the account. If nothing else, it serves as a personal accomplishment in your attempt to change your habits. Why shoot someone down if they want to delete an account? Why be a member of a community you no longer believe in?

[Hilly]

And you're right.

People will always steal.

But if something like this website going down gets a few people to stop and look at the issues and potential consiquences, then I view it as a good thing.

Like the war on drugs, you wont stop everyone from commiting an illegal act, but that doesn't mean you should stop educating and discussing the issues.

[TempHelpNeeded]

touche. good points and I agree with you! :)

[kerplunk!]

Lot of self-righteous fucks in this thread.

Way to kick a man when he's down, regardless of why he fell.

[Hilly]

touche. good points and I agree with you! :)

I think we both see eachother's sides...unfortunately this is one of the unfortunate scenerios that can only be decided by a fight to the death.

or a drunken wii tennis match.

I find most conflicts can be resolved by a drunken wii tennis match.

[TempHelpNeeded]

I think we both see eachother's sides...unfortunately this is one of the unfortunate scenerios that can only be decided by a fight to the death.

or a drunken wii tennis match.

I find most conflicts can be resolved by a drunken wii tennis match.



If you supply the wii I will gladly supply party favors. I still have yet to play the system, so I'm sure you'll kick my ass.

But it is on...like Donkey Kong!!!

[dmbphan041]

as long as cops don't bust down my door, I'm cool.

[Hilly]

If you supply the wii I will gladly supply party favors. I still have yet to play the system, so I'm sure you'll kick my ass.

But it is on...like Donkey Kong!!!

It's a hell of a system.

Nothing beats settling drunken arguements after an hour of kickball and 5 hours of flipcup with a little wii tennis.

[hylidaea]

Yes, the info is there. But if you want to take a proactive step towards changing your habits, why not delete the account. If nothing else, it serves as a personal accomplishment in your attempt to change your habits. Why shoot someone down if they want to delete an account? Why be a member of a community you no longer believe in?
I agree with that. I'm just saying don't delete accounts thinking it's going to prevent you from getting into trouble. It won't. If anyone here is in any trouble at all, deleting PayPal accounts won't change anything or protect them in the least.

Edit: *IF* anyone here is in any kind of trouble... which is doubtful.

[TheGoodGoodTime]

I agree with that. I'm just saying don't delete accounts thinking it's going to prevent you from getting into trouble. It won't. If anyone here is in any trouble at all, deleting PayPal accounts won't change anything or protect them in the least.

Edit: *IF* anyone here is in any kind of trouble... which is doubtful.Well by closing my paypal account, all of my information was deleted (or so they said it was). Therefore if people come to them asking for my information, they will no longer have it on hand. At least thats how I imagined it.

[TheOtherside]

Like the war on drugs, you wont stop everyone from commiting an illegal act, but that doesn't mean you should stop educating and discussing the issues.

but just like the war on drugs, the facts are being skewed, the wrong people are being persecuted, and the discourse is full of empty rhetoric.

[hylidaea]

Well by closing my paypal account, all of my information was deleted (or so they said it was). Therefore if people come to them asking for my information, they will no longer have it on hand. At least thats how I imagined it.
I hope that's true, but I'm not convinced that a company dealing in money transfer services would not be required to keep certain records for a certain length of time.

And even if not, why would PayPal destroy records knowing that they could possibly be court-ordered to hand them over? They're not going to stand up to the authorities to protect users suspected of piracy.

Either way, I do hope you're not in any trouble, Jordan. I'm sure you're fine (unless you're the one who first uploaded the 60 pre-release leaks on oink this year :eek).

[Hilly]

but just like the war on drugs, the facts are being skewed, the wrong people are being persecuted, and the discourse is full of empty rhetoric.

Who is being wrongfully persecuted? The people who ran a site based around illegally downloading music? Or the people who illegally downloaded music?

[TheGoodGoodTime]

I hope that's true, but I'm not convinced that a company dealing in money transfer services would not be required to keep certain records for a certain length of time.

And even if not, why would PayPal destroy records knowing that they could possibly be court-ordered to hand them over? They're not going to stand up to the authorities to protect users suspected of piracy.

Either way, I do hope you're not in any trouble, Jordan. I'm sure you're fine (unless you're the one who first uploaded the 60 pre-release leaks on oink this year :eek).Thanks. Luckily I am not an uploader. Just somebody who casually downloaded some albums and donated like a year ago so that I didnt have to worry about inactivity. :BANG

[TheOtherside]

Who is being wrongfully persecuted? The people who ran a site based around illegally downloading music? Or the people who illegally downloaded music?

i was comparing the recreational downloaders to recreational smokers. that could be too strong, though. the average joe downloader won't really get into any trouble legally, aside from maybe a handful of people who are made examples of (most likely oversees, though).

[Hilly]

Breaking a law is still breaking a law.

If i'm only doing 7 miles above the speed limit? Is it still speeding? I'm not doing 180 in a 65...

Stealing is stealing.

Drugs are drugs.

Regardless of the quantity.

[hylidaea]

Interesting blog from an artist: http://www.negrophonic.com/.

I'm actually kind of excited by all this. The whole music industry business model is collapsing and there isn't very much stepping into its place as yet. iTunes and Rhapsody... pplllffftthhh. That's not it. I don't know what it will look like, but it will be very different.

[jcc522]

Breaking a law is still breaking a law.

If i'm only doing 7 miles above the speed limit? Is it still speeding? I'm not doing 180 in a 65...

Stealing is stealing.

Drugs are drugs.

Regardless of the quantity.



actually, here in SC if you go 9 miles over its a lesser penalty that 10 miles over, you'll get less lime for stealing 1 Tv than 100 Tv's. If you have a pound of pot, you'll do les time then say a pound of coke.

the point is, your logic is flawed

[Hilly]

actually, here in SC if you go 9 miles over its a lesser penalty that 10 miles over, you'll get less lime for stealing 1 Tv than 100 Tv's. If you have a pound of pot, you'll do les time then say a pound of coke.

the point is, your logic is flawed

And if I kill one baby in a river, my penalty will be less than if I killed a thousand babies in a river.

If I illegally download one song, my pentality will be less than if I downloaded a billion illegal songs.

The arguement isn't that the penalty is the same, is that a crime is still a crime regardless of the quantity.

[Hilly]

Regardless of quantity, its still a crime.

its the PENALTY that increases with quantity

[ExistenceNow]

And if I kill one baby in a river, my penalty will be less than if I killed a thousand babies in a river.

If I illegally download one song, my pentality will be less than if I downloaded a billion illegal songs.

The arguement isn't that the penalty is the same, is that a crime is still a crime regardless of the quantity.

What's your point?

[symbian]

proxy servers :)

[DavMattBandrums]

actually, here in SC if you go 9 miles over its a lesser penalty that 10 miles over, you'll get less lime for stealing 1 Tv than 100 Tv's. If you have a pound of pot, you'll do les time then say a pound of coke.

the point is, your logic is flawed


i didnt really read your post but i just wanted to say that i love the yem reference in your signature!

:thumbsup

[jcc522]

i didnt really read your post but i just wanted to say that i love the yem reference in your signature!

:thumbsup



Hello Phriend

[TheOtherside]

Interesting blog from an artist: http://www.negrophonic.com/.



seriously, those who don't get oink and what it was really about need to read this. good find :thumbsup

[TheOtherside]

And if I kill one baby in a river, my penalty will be less than if I killed a thousand babies in a river.

If I illegally download one song, my pentality will be less than if I downloaded a billion illegal songs.

The arguement isn't that the penalty is the same, is that a crime is still a crime regardless of the quantity.

does the fact that speeding is a crime stop you from speeding? what's your point? we know it's illegal.

[DMBtheStoned]

does the fact that speeding is a crime stop you from speeding? what's your point? we know it's illegal.

:thumbsup:thumbsup

[hylidaea]

seriously, those who don't get oink and what it was really about need to read this. good find :thumbsup
Thanks. I was hoping discussion would turn to speculation on what the music distribution world is going to look like in the future, because I don't think the current structure is going to work for very long in the digital age, not if artists want to be paid (as they should be). I think it will be something much more direct from artist to fan. With today's technology, anyone can record music and distribute it digitally. There may not even be a need for record companies at all.

[JorgeCavos]

It might be against the law, but it's a stupid fucking law. I'm gonna keep on stealing music and continue to get away with it.

[Pig17]

Thanks. I was hoping discussion would turn to speculation on what the music distribution world is going to look like in the future, because I don't think the current structure is going to work for very long in the digital age, not if artists want to be paid (as they should be). I think it will be something much more direct from artist to fan. With today's technology, anyone can record music and distribute it digitally. There may not even be a need for record companies at all.

Well stated Janet. :thumbsup

[hylidaea]

Well stated Janet. :thumbsup
Thank you, Jerry. Now what about film and TV? hmm... Oh well, I don't care about that as much as I care about music anyway. :lol

[BotheDMBFan]

Its not a dead issue at all.

I'd like to think that because of this, people have seriously considered their ideas about piracy and file stealing.

I mean the, my ass getting in trouble, part.

[EddieW33]

Thanks. I was hoping discussion would turn to speculation on what the music distribution world is going to look like in the future, because I don't think the current structure is going to work for very long in the digital age, not if artists want to be paid (as they should be). I think it will be something much more direct from artist to fan. With today's technology, anyone can record music and distribute it digitally. There may not even be a need for record companies at all.

I has stated a very similar statement in the Madonna to Live Nation / Radiohead thread in DMBc...the only ones who will survive will be the largest couple - but they will buy up all the smaller ones, and absorb everything those smaller companies have.

Direct from band / musician to the consumer will be the future, how, that is still up for debate...

This is not ood for small bands, bands trying to get started - but they will have to work harder to sell their music at live shows, and rely on word of mouth - and Satellitle radio...

Oh well, I know where I will continue to get my new music from, and I am still old school - when there is a cd I like, I buy it at the store...this form should NEVER GO AWAY...

[hkhund07]

Thanks. I was hoping discussion would turn to speculation on what the music distribution world is going to look like in the future, because I don't think the current structure is going to work for very long in the digital age, not if artists want to be paid (as they should be). I think it will be something much more direct from artist to fan. With today's technology, anyone can record music and distribute it digitally. There may not even be a need for record companies at all.

I think this is a desperate move by the Record Labels who are beginning to gasp for air and starting to see the end of business as they knew it. Recording artists hardly see any profits from their own work when signed to a major label. Why do so many artists want to end their contracts (Radiohead, Madonna, DMB, etc.) with these labels? Because they feel the labels are gouging the customers (us) and selling their music for too high a price. More and more major acts will set up their own music distribution. It's funny from what I read in the last few days.. the artists are not the ones who were upset about the file sharing.. in fact many were happy about it because it spread their work even wider and farther and possibly brought them more success in the long run (in the form of purchased music and concert bookings). The ones who are being vengeful are the labels and recording industry. I think this action will hurt the recording labels even more because it will be viewed as greedy profit hungry corporations suing the little man, the average everyday joe off the street, who only wants to explore their interest in music. It's a case of the rich corporation going after it's own customers (for anyone who file shares also buys music too); they are only going to alienate their own public. People will simply not buy music from them anymore after all who wants to support a heartless profit hungry corporation who price gouges its customers and then sues them too. Ok maybe i am a bit overdramatic, but you get the point. I will go out of my way to only buy music direct from artists or through their websites (like DMB), or maybe itunes.

[tmorry326]

Everyone id dying for a www.Libble.com invite now...get at it music thieves. The same lay out and donation based P2P Torrent tracker...

[Pig17]

Thank you, Jerry. Now what about film and TV? hmm... Oh well, I don't care about that as much as I care about music anyway. :lol


Me too. :lol

[hkhund07]

This is not ood for small bands, bands trying to get started - but they will have to work harder to sell their music at live shows, and rely on word of mouth - and Satellitle radio...

Oh well, I know where I will continue to get my new music from, and I am still old school - when there is a cd I like, I buy it at the store...this form should NEVER GO AWAY...

Yes, Ok, but you won't find CD's of these small bands in the store.. the big Records labels don't want them. So i don't think much will change for the small bands. I think the digital download through the internet will only improve their chances for success.

[TheGoodGoodTime]

Apparently 2 users have been contacted. in the comments http://torrentfreak.com/oink-admin-released-from-custody-071023/

we're doomed.

[BotheDMBFan]

Apparently 2 users have been contacted.

we're doomed.

Source?

[TheGoodGoodTime]

Source?

see edit.

[BotheDMBFan]

Fudge. Still not scared though.

Edit: I didn't see anything about that there.

[TheGoodGoodTime]

Fudge. Still not scared though.

Edit: I didn't see anything about that there.

near the very bottom of the page, some of the last comments.

[Gravedi]

Someone commented saying that? (I havn't read it) And you believe it?
everyone can go there and write it just to scare the others.

[BotheDMBFan]

near the very bottom of the page, some of the last comments.

Comments are meaningless.

I comment all the time that John Zorn will be the new DMB producer, this doesn't make it true.

[TheGoodGoodTime]

Someone commented saying that? (I havn't read it) And you believe it?
everyone can go there and write it just to scare the others.2 different people with official looking posts.

[TGaucho]

Lot of self-righteous fucks in this thread.

Way to kick a man when he's down, regardless of why he fell.
agreed
but just like the war on drugs, the facts are being skewed, the wrong people are being persecuted, and the discourse is full of empty rhetoric.
wow. That was startlingly well said
Breaking a law is still breaking a law.

If i'm only doing 7 miles above the speed limit? Is it still speeding? I'm not doing 180 in a 65...

Stealing is stealing.

Drugs are drugs.

Regardless of the quantity.
(i feel like i've already said this, but apparenty it need be said again, so here we go)

Suuuuuuuure. Because all laws are necessary, and perfect, and just? The legislature has justice foremost on its mind, and consists of men and women who are trained above all others to know right from wrong and to always do the right thing?


Clearly not. The legislature concerns itself with personal gain, reelection, and towing party lines. It consists largely of greedy and dishonest sonsofbitches who have no more a handle on what is right and wrong in the world than anyone else (actually less a handle than most, i would wager), and who are more interested in grabbing some pork for their constituents and listening to the lobbiest in their ear than even contemplating what the nature of justice is, let alone actually endeavoring to serve it. These are the people that make our laws.


As a result, our laws are indisputably hit or miss (everyone can think or a law or two that isn't necessary), and thus comparing one crime to another is a completely ridiculous argument. This statement, "Stealing is stealing" is as unbelievably shortsighted and completely incorrect as this statement, "Drugs are drugs," and if you don't know that by now then you have some serious growing up to do.

[hylidaea]

I has stated a very similar statement in the Madonna to Live Nation / Radiohead thread in DMBc...the only ones who will survive will be the largest couple - but they will buy up all the smaller ones, and absorb everything those smaller companies have.

Direct from band / musician to the consumer will be the future, how, that is still up for debate...

This is not ood for small bands, bands trying to get started - but they will have to work harder to sell their music at live shows, and rely on word of mouth - and Satellitle radio...

Oh well, I know where I will continue to get my new music from, and I am still old school - when there is a cd I like, I buy it at the store...this form should NEVER GO AWAY...
The current model is not good for small artists, either. DMB and others in the industry are changing that and more power to them, but I think that is just a drop in the bucket of changes that we'll see. Stuff like iTunes and Rhapsody are like a little band-aid on a giant gash. I did get excited,though, when Radiohead made their album available for download at name-your-own-price, and not because I wanted the album. It's because it's stuff like this that will open the floodgates of music distribution ideas that will revolutionize this model. It's just a small thing, but it was definitely outside the box.

Side note: Lately, whenever I read or think about "music industry business model," I get a mental image of the Death Star (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:DeathStar2.jpg). :lol

[jenben41]

agreed

wow. That was startlingly well said

(i feel like i've already said this, but apparenty it need be said again, so here we go)

Suuuuuuuure. Because all laws are necessary, and perfect, and just? The legislature has justice foremost on its mind, and consists of men and women who are trained above all others to know right from wrong and to always do the right thing?


Clearly not. The legislature concerns itself with personal gain, reelection, and towing party lines. It consists largely of greedy and dishonest sonsofbitches who have no more a handle on what is right and wrong in the world than anyone else (actually less a handle than most, i would wager), and who are more interested in grabbing some pork for their constituents and listening to the lobbiest in their ear than even contemplating what the nature of justice is, let alone actually endeavoring to serve it. These are the people that make our laws.


As a result, our laws are indisputably hit or miss (everyone can think or a law or two that isn't necessary), and thus comparing one crime to another is a completely ridiculous argument. This statement, "Stealing is stealing" is as unbelievably shortsighted and completely incorrect as this statement, "Drugs are drugs," and if you don't know that by now then you have some serious growing up to do.

So what does that have to do with copyright law? The above may be an appropriate description of the RIAA, but not copyright law. The RIAA started hunting people down a loooooong time after copyright laws for music went into effect.

And one more time, most of the people in the music industry are not the greedy, balding, white pigs that sit around big tables listening to the next big hit doing the "corporate headbob". The folks who are getting fucked are regular folks trying to make a living. They are getting fucked by piracy and the RIAA (who is claiming this fight on their behalf yet they see nothin from the collections).

Intellectual property is just that- property. And no matter how easy or accessable (or how much you want to raise your finger to the industry), you do not have permission to use, copy, perform, or consume it. Lots of people find nothing wrong with piracy and they tell themselves whatever they need to to jusitfy it (beause it's seriously like crack- it's just too damn easy), but it is what it is.

[hylidaea]

I think this is a desperate move by the Record Labels who are beginning to gasp for air and starting to see the end of business as they knew it. Recording artists hardly see any profits from their own work when signed to a major label. Why do so many artists want to end their contracts (Radiohead, Madonna, DMB, etc.) with these labels? Because they feel the labels are gouging the customers (us) and selling their music for too high a price. More and more major acts will set up their own music distribution. It's funny from what I read in the last few days.. the artists are not the ones who were upset about the file sharing.. in fact many were happy about it because it spread their work even wider and farther and possibly brought them more success in the long run (in the form of purchased music and concert bookings). The ones who are being vengeful are the labels and recording industry. I think this action will hurt the recording labels even more because it will be viewed as greedy profit hungry corporations suing the little man, the average everyday joe off the street, who only wants to explore their interest in music. It's a case of the rich corporation going after it's own customers (for anyone who file shares also buys music too); they are only going to alienate their own public. People will simply not buy music from them anymore after all who wants to support a heartless profit hungry corporation who price gouges its customers and then sues them too. Ok maybe i am a bit overdramatic, but you get the point. I will go out of my way to only buy music direct from artists or through their websites (like DMB), or maybe itunes.
I don't think it's overdramatic. It's just how we music lovers are.

If it ends up that the big record companies eat up the little starving ones, those big ones still, in my opinion, will not last long either while they still try to control the industry with old ideas and law enforcement raids and such. Artists will continue to dump their labels and begin to build the new model with ideas like Radiohead's, bit by bit, and I think it will be fun to watch. :)

[jenben41]

I think this is a desperate move by the Record Labels who are beginning to gasp for air and starting to see the end of business as they knew it. Recording artists hardly see any profits from their own work when signed to a major label. Why do so many artists want to end their contracts (Radiohead, Madonna, DMB, etc.) with these labels? Because they feel the labels are gouging the customers (us) and selling their music for too high a price. More and more major acts will set up their own music distribution. It's funny from what I read in the last few days.. the artists are not the ones who were upset about the file sharing.. in fact many were happy about it because it spread their work even wider and farther and possibly brought them more success in the long run (in the form of purchased music and concert bookings). The ones who are being vengeful are the labels and recording industry. I think this action will hurt the recording labels even more because it will be viewed as greedy profit hungry corporations suing the little man, the average everyday joe off the street, who only wants to explore their interest in music. It's a case of the rich corporation going after it's own customers (for anyone who file shares also buys music too); they are only going to alienate their own public. People will simply not buy music from them anymore after all who wants to support a heartless profit hungry corporation who price gouges its customers and then sues them too. Ok maybe i am a bit overdramatic, but you get the point. I will go out of my way to only buy music direct from artists or through their websites (like DMB), or maybe itunes.

I don't think it's overdramatic. It's just how we music lovers are.

If it ends up that the big record companies eat up the little starving ones, those big ones still, in my opinion, will not last long either while they still try to control the industry with old ideas and law enforcement raids and such. Artists will continue to dump their labels and begin to build the new model with ideas like Radiohead's, bit by bit, and I think it will be fun to watch. :)

Actually, he's right on, although the recording industry and the labels are two different animals.

[hylidaea]

Actually, he's right on, although the recording industry and the labels are two different animals.
Actually, I added that second paragraph because I was editing a previous post and timed out, so I pasted it in there instead. :lol

[jenben41]

Actually, I added that second paragraph because I was editing a previous post and timed out, so I pasted it in there instead. :lol

Whoops:lol

[Arby]

near the very bottom of the page, some of the last comments.

Wonder if this is true or not. Seems unlikely, seeing as its only been 1 day.

[BigMikeDMB]

how do u get on a IRC server?

[dmbphan041]

Apparently 2 users have been contacted. in the comments http://torrentfreak.com/oink-admin-released-from-custody-071023/

we're doomed.

:lorraine:lorraine:lorraine:lorraine:lorraine

fuck.

[deadendstreet]

Calm down. They live overseas don't they??? Plus they could be making it up. It's only been a day!!! Oh well, who knows

[TGaucho]

So what does that have to do with copyright law? The above may be an appropriate description of the RIAA, but not copyright law. The RIAA started hunting people down a loooooong time after copyright laws for music went into effect.

And one more time, most of the people in the music industry are not the greedy, balding, white pigs that sit around big tables listening to the next big hit doing the "corporate headbob". The folks who are getting fucked are regular folks trying to make a living. They are getting fucked by piracy and the RIAA (who is claiming this fight on their behalf yet they see nothin from the collections).

Intellectual property is just that- property. And no matter how easy or accessable (or how much you want to raise your finger to the industry), you do not have permission to use, copy, perform, or consume it. Lots of people find nothing wrong with piracy and they tell themselves whatever they need to to jusitfy it (beause it's seriously like crack- it's just too damn easy), but it is what it is.
my post was in response to Hillys assertion (paraphrased) that "the law is the law". I think that's an incredibly naive thing to believe, and my comments on the legislature were aimed at poking holes in that notion. The law is wildly imperfect, and it isn't at all an accurate guide to what's right and what's wrong. "Legal" doesn't always equal "moral", and "moral" doesn't always equal "legal". Laws are made by largely corrupt men with a lot more than justice on their minds, thus the laws are subject to critical evaluation.


In this case, the case of the copyright laws, i don't acknowledge the right of the labels to control those properties. The laws in this field are completely outdated and obsolete. Simple enough. I don't respect the labels, i don't feel as if they deserve to control that stuff, I don't feel like they came upon any of it honestly, and i've never had a problem sharing music, so i balk loudly at the "holier than thou" responses that some people have dumped in this thread. I was sharing music when i was a little kid, making cassette copies for my friends of the good tapes that i had bought, and the file sharing of the 21st century is nothing more than a wildly successful expansion of the same principal. Giving my friend a copy of a tape when i was 9 years old was illegal (but not wrong), just like downloading music today (from my anonymous internet friends) is illegal (but not wrong).

All laws are not the same.

I didn't feel bad then, and i don't feel bad now, and that's not an unreasonable justification, but rather a critical evaluation of the moral qualities of the issue at hand.




edit: also, you said, "Intellectual property is just that- property."

who's property? The artist? I wouldn't fileshare if it were actually the artist's property. But, on the whole, the artists don't own their own property, and they aren't the ones pursuing legal action here, are they. I reject the notion that Sony/BMG, or EMI, or Universal, or whoever, has these untouchable rights over the artist's intellectual property.

[hylidaea]

Intellectual property is just that- property. And no matter how easy or accessable (or how much you want to raise your finger to the industry), you do not have permission to use, copy, perform, or consume it. Lots of people find nothing wrong with piracy and they tell themselves whatever they need to to jusitfy it (beause it's seriously like crack- it's just too damn easy), but it is what it is.
Sorry to butt into your discussion, but I just want to say that all of what you say is absolutely true. There is no denying that stealing intellectual property is wrong and should remain illegal.

The problem is that enforcement is almost futile. The industry is going to have to adapt to that in another way besides trying to hang on to control. It's already way out of their control. All of this, right or wrong, is forcing the music industry to find other ways to work. While the big companies are busy litigating, forming new anti-piracy organizations, and generally playing badass, the artists will continue to find ways to distribute their music and get paid for it, ways that won't include record companies (not in their current paradigm, anyway).

[hylidaea]

In this case, the case of the copyright laws, i don't acknowledge the right of the labels to control those properties. The laws in this area are completely outdated and obsolete. Simple enough. I don't respect the labels, i don't feel as if they deserve to control that stuff, I don't feel like they came upon any of it honestly, and i've never had a problem sharing music, so i balk loudly at the "holier than thou" responses that some people have dumped in this thread.

Agreed. Laws will have to adapt to new technology and ideas as well. As for the holier-than-thou people, don't even sweat it because the point is almost moot in the grand scheme of what's going to happen to music distribution in the future. That's my prediction, anyway. :lol

[Haiku Jimi]

A criminal investigation continues into the identities and activities of the site's
users.


SUCKS TO BE YOU GUYS

Cry more.

[Pig17]

So what happens to the people who just downloaded and never paid the site or uploaded anything?

[Benco]

So what happens to the people who just downloaded and never paid the site or uploaded anything?

Nothing is going to happen to anybody.

[jenben41]

who's property? The artist? I wouldn't fileshare if it were actually the artist's property. But, on the whole, the artists don't own their own property, and they aren't the ones pursuing legal action here, are they. I reject the notion that Sony/BMG, or EMI, or Universal, or whoever, has these untouchable rights over the artist's intellectual property.

I'm talking about songwriters, publishers, etc... the people who can't make money from performing the work that they wrote, but must rely on royalties. They labels are just the ones that have the money to go after people, so people assume they own all the music. It's not about artists or labels.

Certainly, you are right about the law being flawed- it's horribly outdated. As much as technology has progressed in the last century, copyright legislation has not. It has been Clear Channel friendly from the get-go.

[jenben41]

Agreed. Laws will have to adapt to new technology and ideas as well. As for the holier-than-thou people, don't even sweat it because the point is almost moot in the grand scheme of what's going to happen to music distribution in the future. That's my prediction, anyway. :lol

:thumbsup I'm ready. I hate the big labels just as much as anyone. They need to change the way they treat music. Holding up a shitty song and expecting the world to buy it means they are getting what they deserve. There's no reason for there not to be a seamless, efficient way to consume music legally except that the labels have been so greedy. It just sucks that everyone else gets screwed, too.

[taphntm]

I need an invite to demonoid.com where should I look?

[hylidaea]

:thumbsup I'm ready. I hate the big labels just as much as anyone. They need to change the way they treat music. Holding up a shitty song and expecting the world to buy it means they are getting what they deserve. There's no reason for there not to be a seamless, efficient way to consume music legally except that the labels have been so greedy. It just sucks that everyone else gets screwed, too.
I don't blame you for hating them and I think they will be forced to change or go down with the Death Star. I'm idealistic in hoping for control to find its way to the artists and, to some extent, the music fans, and away from the greedy suits like Universal and Clear Channel. They should be working for the artists, not the other way around.

[BigMikeDMB]

Also looking for a demonoid invite...anyone?

dmbhowie22@yahoo.com

[Haiku Jimi]

I'm looking for a good time...anyone?

dmbtwostep41@hotmail.com

[taphntm]

A criminal investigation continues into the identities and activities of the site's
users.


SUCKS TO BE YOU GUYS

a source has stated that the OiNK membership list was not only encrypted, but also equipped with a ’self-destruct’ type mechanism which relied on a regular signal to continue in ‘OFF’ mode.

http://torrentfreak.com/oink-down-norwegian-bittorrent-trackers-next-071024/

:ggoat stayin hopeful here

and if someone has an invite, shoot me an e-mail: eric.clay.h@gmail.com

[Arby]

http://torrentfreak.com/oink-down-norwegian-bittorrent-trackers-next-071024/

:ggoat stayin hopeful here

and if someone has an invite, shoot me an e-mail: eric.clay.h@gmail.com

Interesting. That might be good news

[dmbphan041]

http://torrentfreak.com/oink-down-norwegian-bittorrent-trackers-next-071024/

:ggoat stayin hopeful here

and if someone has an invite, shoot me an e-mail: eric.clay.h@gmail.com

oh god, if that's true, I am real real happy.

[hylidaea]

http://torrentfreak.com/oink-down-norwegian-bittorrent-trackers-next-071024/

:ggoat stayin hopeful here

and if someone has an invite, shoot me an e-mail: eric.clay.h@gmail.com
:lol :lol Right or wrong, I hope that's true!

[jaking1185]

http://torrentfreak.com/oink-down-norwegian-bittorrent-trackers-next-071024/

:ggoat stayin hopeful here

and if someone has an invite, shoot me an e-mail: eric.clay.h@gmail.com

You knew with all the effort they made to stay "underground" that they would probably have some kind of self-destruct set up to protect their users. I would tend to believe this.

[Arby]

The question is....did he press the button before he was put into handcuffs?

[jaking1185]

The question is....did he press the button before he was put into handcuffs?

Since the servers were in Amsterdam I hope those guys did the job.

[TheGoodGoodTime]

I've heard many good thing from multiple sources. I am hopeful now.

[TheGoodGoodTime]

The question is....did he press the button before he was put into handcuffs?No need to press the button.
It does it automatically when unplugged.