Bash the Pats!

[jen602]

Looks like O'Connell is gonna be no #3. According to reports from camp Andrew Walter is doing better than O'Connell. We have Brian Hoyer from Mich State too, but lets hope it doesn't come down to that. I think we are that good, we should have a nice shot at the SB.

[BotheDMBFan]

Andrew Walter...holy fuck.

I thought I'd never have to hear/read that name ever again.

[SoRight24]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8HrJ48zm08

wtf? :lol

[jen602]

Andrew Walter...holy fuck.

I thought I'd never have to hear/read that name ever again.

Yeah, but we have a good system that seems to allow any QB to at least manage the game.

[SoRight24]

Yeah, but we have a good system that seems to allow any QB to at least manage the game.

I agree.

Which is why I think the Chiefs jumped the gun a little bit by giving Cassel that huge extension.

He might be a system qb.

[jen602]

I agree.

Which is why I think the Chiefs jumped the gun a little bit by giving Cassel that huge extension.

He might be a system qb.

You are right about that. They should have just kept him at the franchise price and let him run the offense for a season first. He won't have a Randy Moss or a Wes Welker to throw to in KC.

[BotheDMBFan]

I agree.

Which is why I think the Chiefs jumped the gun a little bit by giving Cassel that huge extension.

He might be a system qb.

He couldn't beat out Matt Leinart, that crappy lefty piece of crap.

I have no faith in him whatsoever.

[BotheDMBFan]

wtf? :lol

You know you loved it.

[dmbmuskie]

Every NFL player is a system player.

[BotheDMBFan]

Every NFL player is a system player.

Except Devin Aromashadu, HE IS THE SYSTEM!

[SoRight24]

Every NFL player is a system player.

But some players are made by the system.

There's a difference.

[SoRight24]

He couldn't beat out Matt Leinart, that crappy lefty piece of crap.

I have no faith in him whatsoever.

USC qb's are money in the NFL.

[SoRight24]

You know you loved it.

I lol'd.

[BotheDMBFan]

USC qb's are money in the NFL.

Palmer was.

[BotheDMBFan]

I lol'd.

You'll be doing it alllllll day.

[SoRight24]

You'll be doing it alllllll day.

I still don't like you, asshat.

[BotheDMBFan]

I still don't like you.

H-ok?

[SoRight24]

Julia Roberts' acting > Bothedmbfan

[dmbmuskie]

I have no proof of this, but I think QBs who play for dominant college teams have a harder time making it in the NFL than a guy who plays on a team with less talent. Palmer played at USC when they were just starting this upswing

[BotheDMBFan]

Julia Roberts' acting > Bothedmbfan

That's just fucking cold.

What about my acting though? I at least know how to do it n shit.

[SoRight24]

I have no proof of this, but I think QBs who play for dominant college teams have a harder time making it in the NFL than a guy who plays on a team with less talent.

I think there's some validity to that.

I mean look at Cutler, Big Ben, Eli, Flacco, Ryan....

None of them played on what you would call dominant teams, and each are having success so far.

[BotheDMBFan]

I think there's some validity to that.

I mean look at Cutler, Big Ben, Eli, Flacco, Ryan....

None of them played on what you would call dominant teams, and each are having success so far.

Define dominant team.

[SoRight24]

That's just fucking cold.

What about my acting though? I at least know how to do it n shit.

7/10.

Which is better than Julia, at least.

[SoRight24]

Define dominant team.

Teams that are stacked with NFL talent.

[BotheDMBFan]

7/10.

Which is better than Julia, at least.

Das hok, Imma get better at it n shit, das why I going to school.

And HIllary Swank is a -2/10, and she has 2 Oscars!

I'm gonna be a star, then I'll buy a sports team, and purposely run them into the ground. Maybe I'll buy the Packers, or the Patriots, or the Lions!

[BotheDMBFan]

Teams that are stacked with NFL talent.

Let me rephrase, who would you SAY are the "dominant teams."

Palmer is the only one I can think of that was great (until his injury, sadly.)

[SoRight24]

Let me rephrase, who would you SAY are the "dominant teams."

Palmer is the only one I can think of that was great (until his injury, sadly.)

Florida, Texas, USC, OU, Ohio State, LSU.

None of their qb's besides Palmer have had much success in the NFL the last 10-15 years.

[dmbmuskie]

I look at it like this. How many times did Leinart, VY, and JaMarcus ever face an opponent where they did not have a huge advantage in overall talent? How many times did guys like Ryan, Cutler, and Ben?

[BotheDMBFan]

Florida, Texas, USC, OU, Ohio State, LSU.

None of their qb's besides Palmer have had much success in the NFL the last 10-15 years.

Do you think any of the guys coming into the draft next year will break that mold?

[BotheDMBFan]

I look at it like this. How many times did Leinart, VY, and JaMarcus ever face an opponent where they did not have a huge advantage in overall talent? How many times did guys like Ryan, Cutler, and Ben?

When Young played against Leinart in the Rose Bowl. :D Ahhhh, I love seeing USC lose more than anyone else on the planet.

I still have hope for JaMarcus. He showed flashes of being REALLY good last year.

[SoRight24]

Do you think any of the guys coming into the draft next year will break that mold?

I think Bradford has a shot to be great.

I'm still not sold on Colt McCoy in the NFL.

[BotheDMBFan]

I think Bradford has a shot to be great.

I'm still not sold on Colt McCoy in the NFL.

I'm not sold on either, frankly.

[dmbmuskie]

Do you think any of the guys coming into the draft next year will break that mold?

I like Bradford's game, but I think he would be best served to stay in college another year after this. On the other hand I think Bradford is an idiot for returning to college and risking millions.

[dmbmuskie]

I think bowl games are poor indicators of how well you will do against more evenly matched teams because you have 6 weeks to prepare.

[BotheDMBFan]

I like Bradford's game, but I think he would be best served to stay in college another year after this. On the other hand I think Bradford is an idiot for returning to college and risking millions.

Eh, it could work out for him.

I mean, look at Leinart, he still ended up getting paid. (Sadly, he blew it all on drugs and beer and now that he's on his way out, he has nothing but ballroom dancing to fall back on.)

[dmbgodagirl41]

what the bejeezus?

[BotheDMBFan]

what the bejeezus?

I don't clean, I'm no cleam, ho-k?

[rickyh24]

I think it will be just as fun watching the Bears suck this year as it will be watching The Pats dominate.

[SoRight24]

Best thread everz.

[BotheDMBFan]

I thin it will be just as fun watching the Bears suck this year as it will be watching The Pats dominate.

I know this, we both won't finish last in our divisions.

And we haz da Rod Marinelli. I think you're just hiding your fear of our D lineman Gilbert. Do YOU have any players that can jump out of a pool? I didn't fucking think so.

[rickyh24]

Wow there are a lot of hilarious avatars in this thread.

[SoRight24]

I know this, we both won't finish last in our divisions.

And we haz da Rod Marinelli. I think you're just hiding your fear of our D lineman Gilbert. Do YOU have any players that can jump out of a pool? I didn't fucking think so.

You shouldn't have let Ron Rivera go.

He wuz the bestz.

[AlexK79]

I know this, we both won't finish last in our divisions.

And we haz da Rod Marinelli. I think you're just hiding your fear of our D lineman Gilbert. Do YOU have any players that can jump out of a pool? I didn't fucking think so.

He can jump out of a pool, AND I heard he's gonna be on House later this year.

Start getting that bust ready in Canton.

[BotheDMBFan]

You shouldn't have let Ron Rivera go.

He wuz the bestz.

Agreed and disagreed.

He was great, but at the same time, that marriage wasn't going to last much longer between he and Lovie.

[dmbgodagirl41]

Wow there are a lot of hilarious avatars in this thread.

I forgot the pre-season starts Thursday :face-palm:

Gotta get the Tommy representin'! :)

[BotheDMBFan]

He can jump out of a pool, AND I heard he's gonna be on House later this year.

Start getting that bust ready in Canton.

Add the splash marks of pool water too.

[BotheDMBFan]

I forgot the pre-season starts Thursday :face-palm:

Gotta get the Tommy representin'! :)

Didn't he fuck up his knee the last time you repped that avatar?

[jen602]

I forgot the pre-season starts Thursday :face-palm:

Gotta get the Tommy representin'! :)

LOVE the avatar!!! I can't wait to watch Tommy pick apart every defense he faces and make DBs cry!!!!!

How do I make mine bigger?

[BotheDMBFan]

LOVE the avatar!!! I can't wait to watch Tommy pick apart every defense he faces and make DBs cry!!!!!

How do I make mine bigger?

Subscribe to Ants+.

[jen602]

Subscribe to Ants+.

Thanks, too bad I have to wait til Friday, as I have $0.96 in my bank account...pathetic huh.

[BotheDMBFan]

Thanks, too bad I have to wait til Friday, as I have $0.96 in my bank account...pathetic huh.

Being poor is the shit, really. I embrace it.

[dmbmuskie]

I'm debating my avatar for this season. I think I might go with Tomlin.

[jen602]

Being poor is the shit, really. I embrace it.

I have spent waaaayyyy too much money on DMB and DirecTV NFL Sunday Ticket. I am poor because I like to spend money and the utilities get shut off if you don't pay them...assholes, electric should be free.

[BotheDMBFan]

I'm debating my avatar for this season. I think I might go with Tomlin.

Go with Mendenhall.

[pathetic]

I know this, we both won't finish last in our divisions.

And we haz da Rod Marinelli. I think you're just hiding your fear of our D lineman Gilbert. Do YOU have any players that can jump out of a pool? I didn't fucking think so.

:lol at ron turner still being around

[BotheDMBFan]

:lol at ron turner still being around

Eh, his days are numbered.

[pathetic]

Eh, his days are numbered.

yeah...atleast you can admit it...

[BotheDMBFan]

Most of us can. He sucks.

[thebestauntie]

I'm debating my avatar for this season. I think I might go with Tomlin.
Tomlin is HOT!! Go with him. :thumbsup

[dmbmuskie]

Go with Mendenhall.

I think there is a good chance that he does not even dress this season unless he really impresses in the preseason. The reports on him out of camp are awful.

[pathetic]

:lol i couldnt believe some of the shit he'd do...grossman had his own issues, but turner fucked him up too...i really thought the D, hester, and jones would win them the super bowl a couple years ago.

[rickyh24]

Wts is going on in here? Either bash the best team of the decade or GTFO.

[dmbmuskie]

I think there is a good chance that he does not even dress this season unless he really impresses in the preseason. The reports on him out of camp are awful.

Wts is going on in here? Either bash the best team of the decade or GTFO.

Atleasy Mendenhall isn't as bad as Maroney. Better?

How are you going to feel when the Steelers snatch the team of the decade crown away from you guys this year?

[rickyh24]

How are you going to feel when the Steelers snatch the team of the decade crown away from you guys this year?

lol not gonna happen

[thebestauntie]

I have spent waaaayyyy too much money on DMB and DirecTV NFL Sunday Ticket. I am poor because I like to spend money and the utilities get shut off if you don't pay them...assholes, electric should be free.
I have thus far managed to NOT purchase the Sunday Ticket. I'm very proud of myself! :lol

[dmbmuskie]

lol not gonna happen

I'm sure you guys will coem into Heinz Field and rip my heart out one more time.

[dmbmuskie]

Sunday Ticket is the best investment I have ever made. It is worth every penny.

[thebestauntie]

I'm sure you guys will coem into Heinz Field and rip my heart out one more time.
Looking forward to it! :D :lol

[SoRight24]

Fuck DirectTV for having the exclusive rights to it.

[LisaH]

Tomlin is HOT!! Go with him. :thumbsup
I love the way you think.
Wts is going on in here? Either bash the best team of the decade or GTFO.
I guess I should get the fuck out now. I may be back to bash the Pats!

[dmbmuskie]

Looking forward to it! :D :lol

There is no team I fear more than the Pats no matter who they have on the field. I hate those mother fuckers.

[BotheDMBFan]

I think there is a good chance that he does not even dress this season unless he really impresses in the preseason. The reports on him out of camp are awful.

You've gotta be kidding me. Getting hurt must have fucked him up in la cabesa.

[jen602]

I'm sure you guys will coem into Heinz Field and rip my heart out one more time.

I am gonna have the only Patriots victory parade in the city, even if its just me, and I will be sure to wear my bulletproof vest. I will walk around downtown with all my Pats gear on and hopefully not get killed.
But don't count on home field advantage throughout the playoffs, you may be coming to Gilette to get stomped this year.

Soooo excited about Sunday ticket. I am not gonna be stuck watching the Browns or Bengals ever again.

[thebestauntie]

There is no team I fear more than the Pats no matter who they have on the field. I hate those mother fuckers.
The Steelers/Pats games are always good. Except for last year, that game sucked. :lol They have a fierce rivalry going and both teams usually bring their A game for that week.

[thebestauntie]

I love the way you think.

I guess I should get the fuck out now. I may be back to bash the Pats!
I know. ;)

[jen602]

There is no team I fear more than the Pats no matter who they have on the field. I hate those mother fuckers.

Hate is another word for jealousy. And be afraid...be very afraid.

[BotheDMBFan]

Steelers have won more lately.

That said, get ready for the 12 year title run of DAAAAAAAA BEARS.

Edit: Fuck the Pats.

[thebestauntie]

Steelers have won more lately.

That said, get ready for the 12 year title run of DAAAAAAAA BEARS.

Edit: Fuck the Pats.
:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

[BotheDMBFan]

:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8HrJ48zm08

[LisaH]

Steelers have won more lately.

That said, get ready for the 12 year title run of DAAAAAAAA BEARS.

Edit: Fuck the Pats.
Bringin back the Super Bowl Shuffle?

[BotheDMBFan]

Bringin back the Super Bowl Shuffle?

I don't always use an alarm clock, but when I do, I always use the Super Bowl Shuffle.

Stay shuffling, my friends.

[dmbmuskie]

You've gotta be kidding me. Getting hurt must have fucked him up in la cabesa.

I think his best attribute is his vision, and when your offensive line rarely creates any holes that is worthless. He's not fast enough to get the edge and run away from people consistently, he's not big enough to move the pile consistently, and he's not good enough at blocking or catching to be used in sub packages.

I hated the pick when we made it, but hopefully the light will go on for him like it seems to for every other Steeler in their second year. Polamalu and Timmons were being written off, and now they're both considered stars.

[BotheDMBFan]

I think his best attribute is his vision, and when your offensive line rarely creates any holes that is worthless. He's not fast enough to get the edge and run away from people consistently, he's not big enough to move the pile consistently, and he's not good enough at blocking or catching to be used in sub packages.

I hated the pick when we made it, but hopefully the light will go on for him like it seems to for every other Steeler in their second year. Polamalu and Timmons were being written off, and now they're both considered stars.

Mendy is FAR faster than you give him credit for, strong as shit too. His hands were good not great in the school.

Your O Line IS terrible though.

[SoRight24]

I don't always use an alarm clock, but when I do, I always use the Super Bowl Shuffle.

Stay shuffling, my friends.

That wasn't half bad.

[BotheDMBFan]

That wasn't half bad.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8HrJ48zm08

[dmbmuskie]

Hate is another word for jealousy. And be afraid...be very afraid.

I don't think there is anything to be jealous off at this point.

It's not like the Steelers are the Jets or the Bills.

[BotheDMBFan]

I don't think there is anything to be jealous off at this point.

It's not like the Steelers are the Jets or the Bills.

Put jer clothes on man. Other people could come in jere and se ju nude man.

[SoRight24]

I don't think there is anything to be jealous off at this point.

It's not like the Steelers are the Jets or the Bills.

The Jets bit was a little uncalled for.

[jen602]

I don't think there is anything to be jealous off at this point.

It's not like the Steelers are the Jets or the Bills.

Good point, but who wouldn't be jealous of the team of the decade? :evil

You got yours last year because the road didn't go through NE. :)

[BotheDMBFan]

The Jets bit was a little uncalled for.

No it wasn't man.


Fuck the Pats.

[BotheDMBFan]

Good point, but who wouldn't be jealous of the team of the decade? :evil

The Steelers?

[thebestauntie]

The Jets bit was a little uncalled for.
Never.

[jen602]

You will be jealous come February. (God I hope, don't want to count chickens before they hatch)

[jen602]

Never.

I could go on for days bashing the Jets...

[dmbmuskie]

Mendy is FAR faster than you give him credit for, strong as shit too. His hands were good not great in the school.

Your O Line IS terrible though.

I think he's good at about everything, but the Steelers have guys who have elite skills at his position. It really might come down to his ability to play special teams.

[BotheDMBFan]

You will be jealous come February. (God I hope, don't want to count chickens before they hatch)

I would never be jealous, even if my team doesn't win. I dislike the Pats because of how their fans and star players act.

Randy Moss is still a huge piece of shit, and always will be in my eyes.

[thebestauntie]

I could go on for decades bashing the Jets...
Fixed. :cool

[BotheDMBFan]

I think he's good at about everything, but the Steelers have guys who have elite skills at his position. It really might come down to his ability to play special teams.

I love Matt Forte, but I'm still a bit sad we didn't take Mendenhall.

[dmbmuskie]

Good point, but who wouldn't be jealous of the team of the decade? :evil

You got yours last year because the road didn't go through NE. :)

Do you forget the epic ass beating laid down in Foxboro last year? I think the Steelers scored 21 points in 2 minutes and just kicked the shit out of the Pats.

[dmbmuskie]

I love Matt Forte, but I'm still a bit sad we didn't take Mendenhall.

I think they're very similar runners, but Forte brings more to the table.

[BotheDMBFan]

I think they're very similar runners, but Forte brings more to the table.

Forte does bring more to the table, his biggest strength is his carrying ability. He had a fumble last year (Actually, he didn't, but Lovie opted to not challenge the play) but that was it. I've never seen a rookie RB look THAT professional, like he did. He's also set up to be a long time back, as he both possesses hard, strength running ability, with great speed. He's not as fast as Johnson or Slaton, but he is still very fast with great agility.

Oh, fuck the Pats.

[jen602]

I would never be jealous, even if my team doesn't win. I dislike the Pats because of how their fans and star players act.

Randy Moss is still a huge piece of shit, and always will be in my eyes.

Randy has really grown up in the past few seasons. He has kept his mouth shut and produced on the field. He was really unhappy in Oakland, who wouldn't be? The fans are defensive, but that is a whole different conversation. Who else bothers you? Rodney is gone, so don't say him. Most of our guys don't say anything to the media. People say Tommy is a deadbeat dad, but in fact he is quite the opposite. The whole spygate thing was blown way out of proportion by ESPN. But I do see your point, now that I think about it, I am not jealous of the Steelers even though they won this year.

Being in Pittsburgh, I spend a lot of time being defensive, and I try not to bash the steelers, we have a great rivalry here.

[thebestauntie]

Randy has really grown up in the past few seasons. He has kept his mouth shut and produced on the field. He was really unhappy in Oakland, who wouldn't be? The fans are defensive, but that is a whole different conversation. Who else bothers you? Rodney is gone, so don't say him. Most of our guys don't say anything to the media. People say Tommy is a deadbeat dad, but in fact he is quite the opposite. The whole spygate thing was blown way out of proportion by ESPN. But I do see your point, now that I think about it, I am not jealous of the Steelers even though they won this year.

Being in Pittsburgh, I spend a lot of time being defensive, and I try not to bash the steelers, we have a great rivalry here.
Hey, do you need a fellow Pats fan to go to the game with you? :D

[BotheDMBFan]

I get rubbed the wrong way by the players, and Bill himself.

I hold players to the Payton standard. He was on A LOT of REALLY BAD Bears teams, but always carried himself like a gentleman. Randy's time in Oakland (And me living in Cali at the time, as I do now after leaving a few years ago) was very disheartening. You don't bring him up around here (I live around even MORE Raider fans now) they dislike him that much.

[thebestauntie]

I get rubbed the wrong way by the players, and Bill himself.

I hold players to the Payton standard. He was on A LOT of REALLY BAD Bears teams, but always carried himself like a gentleman. Randy's time in Oakland (And me living in Cali at the time, as I do now after leaving a few years ago) was very disheartening. You don't bring him up around here (I live around even MORE Raider fans now) they dislike him that much.
Very true. Sadly that's not the case nearly as much as it should be. I always had nothing but respect and admiration for WP.

[jen602]

Do you forget the epic ass beating laid down in Foxboro last year? I think the Steelers scored 21 points in 2 minutes and just kicked the shit out of the Pats.

We beat ourselves last year, when you turn the ball over you deserve to lose. Randy dropped the same play 3 times in the back of the end zone right before the half. When was the last time you beat us before that? The Patriots won 6 of 7 meetings over a ten year period (1998-2007). It was on Halloween, maybe 2003, not sure I would have to look that up. Hope to see you guys in a good game in January.

[dmbgodagirl41]

Atleasy Mendenhall isn't as bad as Maroney. Better?

How are you going to feel when the Steelers snatch the team of the decade crown away from you guys this year?

Steelers have to win both to snatch that crown. Not going to happen. I'll bet you 50 bucks they don't win both of the next two super bowls. Straight-up.

[jen602]

Hey, do you need a fellow Pats fan to go to the game with you? :D

We can start a Pats nation right here in Pittsburgh, my boyfriend is a huge pats fan too, so there's 3 so far.

[dmbmuskie]

Moss just isn't the WR people think he is. His time in Oakland proved that.

[dmbgodagirl41]

Wow, the steelers beat the Pats last year? All it took was a defensive squad with an average age of 40 and a backup QB who hadn't started a game since HS to do it. There's something to be really proud of. Great argument! :)

[dmbgodagirl41]

Moss just isn't the WR people think he is. His time in Oakland proved that.

:lol :lol I <3 you.

[thebestauntie]

We can start a Pats nation right here in Pittsburgh, my boyfriend is a huge pats fan too, so there's 3 so far.
I'm actually in NE, but I was going to willingly make the trek out to Pittsburgh to go to the game with you if needed me. :lol

[thebestauntie]

Moss just isn't the WR people think he is. His time in Oakland proved that.
Wow. :lol:lol:lol

[dmbmuskie]

We beat ourselves last year, when you turn the ball over you deserve to lose. Randy dropped the same play 3 times in the back of the end zone right before the half. When was the last time you beat us before that? The Patriots won 6 of 7 meetings over a ten year period (1998-2007). It was on Halloween, maybe 2003, not sure I would have to look that up. Hope to see you guys in a good game in January.

The Steelers ended the streak in 2005. I don't know if we have ever beaten you in the playoffs.

[Tiduwho]

Fuck this scum ass team.

[dmbgodagirl41]

Fuck this scum ass team.

:lol :lol :lol

[AlexK79]

The funny thing is that it's been 5 years since they won a championship, and the fans still act like they are 'unbeatable', and talk shit about the Steelers, who have won 2 of the last 4 Super Bowls.

[SoRight24]

Fuck this scum ass team.

lulz.

Their window is closing, and I can't wait until their irrelevant again.

[jen602]

The funny thing is that it's been 5 years since they won a championship, and the fans still act like they are 'unbeatable', and talk shit about the Steelers, who have won 2 of the last 4 Super Bowls.

I am not talking shit by any means, we haven't had the defense the last 5 years. But hopefully that is all gonna change this year.

[dmbmuskie]

Moss sucks. If you put Moss on a team with an average line and an average QB, and he's average or worse. This argument will never get old.

[dmbgodagirl41]

Moss sucks. If you put Moss on a team with an average line and an average QB, and he's average or worse. This argument will never get old.

Dante Culpeper = shit QB.

Therefore, your argument = shit.

[dmbgodagirl41]

lulz.

Their window is closing, and I can't wait until their irrelevant again.

At least it hasnt been shut since Super Bowl III.

[BotheDMBFan]

Steelers have to win both to snatch that crown. Not going to happen. I'll bet you 50 bucks they don't win both of the next two super bowls. Straight-up.

They only have to win one IMO.

[SoRight24]

At least it hasnt been shut since Super Bowl III.

:lorraine:lorraine

[AlexK79]

Dante Culpeper = shit QB.

Therefore, your argument = shit.

If by "shit" you mean "Pro Bowl", then you are correct. Culpepper only went to shit after he started getting hurt, long after Moss was gone.

[BotheDMBFan]

Dante Culpeper = shit QB.

Therefore, your argument = shit.

Culpepper was a fantastic QB before the injury.

[dmbmuskie]

Dante Culpeper = shit QB.

Therefore, your argument = shit.

Dante pre-knee injury was a very very good QB.

[SoRight24]

Dante Culpeper = shit QB.

Therefore, your argument = shit.

Culpepper was one of the top qb's in the game when he first came into the league.

If he hadn't had the injury problems, he would have been money.

[dmbgodagirl41]

:lorraine:lorraine

hahahahahahahaa

If by "shit" you mean "Pro Bowl", then you are correct. Culpepper only went to shit after he started getting hurt, long after Moss was gone.

He was only good because he had Moss.

[BotheDMBFan]

hahahahahahahaa



He was only good because he had Moss.

And Moss has only been good when he had a pro bowl QB.

[SoRight24]

So how do you explain Moss' stint in Oakland?

He didn't make their qb's better, did he?

[dmbgodagirl41]

So how do you explain Moss' stint in Oakland?

He didn't make their qb's better, did he?

Oakland was/is mainly a running team. Uhhhh you think Jamarcus Russell is throwing anything further than 10 yards? Oh, okay. That's about as good a statement as Culpeper being a good QB.

McNabb has had MANY injuries and is still considered a decent QB. Culpeper couldn't get a job as Kansas City's backup.

[dmbmuskie]

Culpepper's best season was 2004, and Burleson outperformed Moss.

[dmbmuskie]

JaMarcus Russell has the best arm in pro football, but he also has the head of a below average Pop Warner backup.

[dmbmuskie]

Oakland was/is mainly a running team. Uhhhh you think Jamarcus Russell is throwing anything further than 10 yards? Oh, okay. That's about as good a statement as Culpeper being a good QB.

McNabb has had MANY injuries and is still considered a decent QB. Culpeper couldn't get a job as Kansas City's backup.

McNabb came back from those injuries. Culpepper never did. Modern medicine failed him.

[BotheDMBFan]

Oakland was/is mainly a running team. Uhhhh you think Jamarcus Russell is throwing anything further than 10 yards? Oh, okay. That's about as good a statement as Culpeper being a good QB.

McNabb has had MANY injuries and is still considered a decent QB. Culpeper couldn't get a job as Kansas City's backup.

Oakland WASN'T a running team when Moss went there. And I don't believe he and JaMarcus ever played together.

[AlexK79]

hahahahahahahaa



He was only good because he had Moss.

Really? Because in 2004, Culpepper's best season, he completed 69.2% of his passes for 4717 yards, 39 TDs, and only 11 INTs, while Moss had his 2nd worst season as a pro, catching just 49 passes for 767 yards.

Culpepper was an excellent QB who had his career derailed by injuries that robbed him of his greatest strength - his athleticism.

[BotheDMBFan]

JaMarcus Russell has the best arm in pro football, but he also has the head of a below average Pop Warner backup.

He has the strongest arm, but I take accuracy into account along with strength.

[dmbgodagirl41]

JaMarcus Russell has the best arm in pro football, but he also has the head of a below average Pop Warner backup.

:lol:lol:lol

[AlexK79]

Oakland was/is mainly a running team. Uhhhh you think Jamarcus Russell is throwing anything further than 10 yards? Oh, okay. That's about as good a statement as Culpeper being a good QB.

McNabb has had MANY injuries and is still considered a decent QB. Culpeper couldn't get a job as Kansas City's backup.


Oakland is mainly a running team? Is that supposed to be a joke? No one likes to pass more than Al Davis.

[BotheDMBFan]

Really? Because in 2004, Culpepper's best season, he completed 69.2% of his passes for 4717 yards, 39 TDs, and only 11 INTs, while Moss had his 2nd worst season as a pro, catching just 49 passes for 767 yards.

Culpepper was an excellent QB who had his career derailed by injuries that robbed him of his greatest strength - his athleticism.

Had Manning not played out of his damn mind that year, Culpepper would have been the unanimous MVP.

[dmbmuskie]

Moss was outperfomed by Welker last year. If you put him in the 2007 NE offense he's a great weapon, but he's not near the total package of someone like Fitz or Johnson.

[BotheDMBFan]

Oakland is mainly a running team? Is that supposed to be a joke?

NOW they are, because they are built around it.

[dmbgodagirl41]

Really? Because in 2004, Culpepper's best season, he completed 69.2% of his passes for 4717 yards, 39 TDs, and only 11 INTs, while Moss had his 2nd worst season as a pro, catching just 49 passes for 767 yards.

Culpepper was an excellent QB who had his career derailed by injuries that robbed him of his greatest strength - his athleticism.

Moss played for Oakland. :lol

You can seriously take any WR and say that they are only good because they are on a team with a good QB. Put Moss on, say, the vikings now if TJ is the QB and he's running to the endzone without anything coming to him. Kind of like how I think TO is going to suck on Buffalo, that is, unless Trent Edwards proves us all wrong.

[dmbmuskie]

He has the strongest arm, but I take accuracy into account along with strength.

Accuracy is much more important.

[SoRight24]

NOW they are, because they are built around it.

I still laugh at them picking Heyward-Bay.

[dmbmuskie]

Moss played for Oakland. :lol

You can seriously take any WR and say that they are only good because they are on a team with a good QB. Put Moss on, say, the vikings now if TJ is the QB and he's running to the endzone without anything coming to him. Kind of like how I think TO is going to suck on Buffalo, that is, unless Trent Edwards proves us all wrong.

Steve Smith and Andre Johnson put up awesome numbers playing with middle of the road NFL QBs.

TO can do thinks Moss never could. Moss can run the 0, run the 9, and run the fade, and that is it.

[AlexK79]

Moss played for Oakland. :lol

You can seriously take any WR and say that they are only good because they are on a team with a good QB. Put Moss on, say, the vikings now if TJ is the QB and he's running to the endzone without anything coming to him. Kind of like how I think TO is going to suck on Buffalo, that is, unless Trent Edwards proves us all wrong.

Ummm....no. Moss did not play for Oakland in 2004, he was still on the Vikings.

Randy Moss is only good when he has a good team around him because he is a lazy primadonna. When he's on a team with talent, he tries. When he's on a bad team, he whines, pouts, and puts forth zero effort.

T.O. can succed with a medicore QB because his skill set is so much more varied than Moss. He's an excellent route runner who can create separation from defenders in a very small window. Moss simply runs fades and outjumps people for balls. He's not the complete package that T.O. is.

[BotheDMBFan]

Accuracy is much more important.

And he has none of it.

[BotheDMBFan]

I still laugh at them picking Heyward-Bay.

He COULD be good, and he may be a better fit than Crabtree.

[dmbgodagirl41]

Steve Smith and Andre Johnson put up awesome numbers playing with middle of the road NFL QBs.

TO can do thinks Moss never could. Moss can run the 0, run the 9, and run the fade, and that is it.

I think TO is better than Moss currently, so that I agree with you. And I'm talking shit QBs. Someone can have an ok QB and do decent. Look at Wes Welker and Cassel.

Ummm....no. Moss did not play for Oakland in 2004, he was still on the Vikings.

Randy Moss is only good when he has a good team around him because he is a lazy primadonna. When he's on a team with talent, he tries. When he's on a bad team, he whines, pouts, and puts forth zero effort.
I mean he played for Oakland in the general sense. Didn't notice the 2004 there. :)

Moss is lazy as fuck, but you can say that about tons of NFL players.

[SoRight24]

Straight cash homie.

[BotheDMBFan]

Moss is lazy as fuck, but you can say that about tons of NFL players.

Yes, you also can't call any of them great.

[kittensXLI]

Wow, Katie just got torn apart by like a dozen guys.

[BotheDMBFan]

Wow, Katie just got torn apart by like a dozen guys.

This is the norm for her.

[kittensXLI]

Wait for it...



























...and everyone proved her football views and arguments wrong in this thread.

[BotheDMBFan]

Wait for it...



























...and everyone proved her football views and arguments wrong in this thread.

Jup.

[kittensXLI]

There's so much idiocy in this thread that my head might explode if I even attempt to respond to it.

[dmbmuskie]

I think TO is better than Moss currently, so that I agree with you. And I'm talking shit QBs. Someone can have an ok QB and do decent. Look at Wes Welker and Cassel.




Moss is lazy as fuck, but you can say that about tons of NFL players.

What about what Calvin Johnson did last season?

[BotheDMBFan]

There's so much idiocy in this thread that my head might explode if I even attempt to respond to it.

Hey man, how dare ju.

[AlexK79]

There's so much idiocy in this thread that my head might explode if I even attempt to respond to it.

Says the guy with a picture of Scott Stapp as his avatar...

[kittensXLI]

Says the guy with a picture of Scott Stapp as his avatar...
...or says the guy with a picture of Dave Matthews as his avatar...

[dmbmuskie]

I think TO is better than Moss currently, so that I agree with you. And I'm talking shit QBs. Someone can have an ok QB and do decent. Look at Wes Welker and Cassel.


I mean he played for Oakland in the general sense. Didn't notice the 2004 there. :)

Moss is lazy as fuck, but you can say that about tons of NFL players.

Welker is the perfect example of why so many teams fail over and over. He's not a top tier guy, but he is a hell of a lot more useful than the guys we see drafted in round 1 every year.

[UgliestNakedGuy]

Moss sucks. If you put Moss on a team with an average line and an average QB, and he's average or worse. This argument will never get old.

:lol dude I respect your knowledgeand what you usually bring to the table, but sometimes you say shit that is completely off base and ignorant. To say Randy Moss sucks just makes you look stupid, and you're not that stupid, so come on man....

Randy Moss is a top 5 WR and you know it.

[UgliestNakedGuy]

And Moss has only been good when he had a pro bowl QB.

So you're basing this off of him not doing so hot for a couple seasons in Oakland when he had people like McCown, Andrew Walter throwing him the ball? Riiiiight. Moss wasn't fully grown up then either, so his effort wasn't quite there.

To take away from his skill set cause he had an off year with Andrew Walter as his QB just makes you sound like a fool.

[UgliestNakedGuy]

Culpepper's best season was 2004, and Burleson outperformed Moss.

You mean the year Moss was hurt for part of the season? HE only missed 3, but he wasn't 100 percent all year.

And was that the same year that Moss averaged 59 yds a game and had 13 tds in 13 games played, while Burleson averaged 62 yds and only had 9 tds while playing all 16 games? Yeeeaaah, Moss was better than him that year when he was in the lineup.



I seriously can not believe that we have to sit here and defend Randy Moss as being a good WR, this is ABSURD.

[UgliestNakedGuy]

I think TO is better than Moss currently, so that I agree with you. And I'm talking shit QBs. Someone can have an ok QB and do decent. Look at Wes Welker and Cassel.


I mean he played for Oakland in the general sense. Didn't notice the 2004 there. :)

Moss is lazy as fuck, but you can say that about tons of NFL players.

Absolutley not.

[jen602]

Moss spent a lot of time "injured" in Oakland, now whether or not he just didn't want to play or was being a pussy or whatever has nothing to do with it. He didn't even play much. If you watch Randy now, you will see that he throws blocks (weak ones, but the effort is there) and finishes his routes etc. He is a different guy in NE than he was before. Yeah, he drops balls sometimes, but you have to admit that he is much more disciplined now than then and that has made him a better player.

[UgliestNakedGuy]

Steve Smith and Andre Johnson put up awesome numbers playing with middle of the road NFL QBs.

TO can do thinks Moss never could. Moss can run the 0, run the 9, and run the fade, and that is it.

All of which he does better than anyone in the NFL right now. Most people in the NFL will probably tell you that Randy Moss is the most dangerous WR in the NFL. Others will say Fitz, but a lot will say Moss.

This is a stupid argument, I guess Moss' career number don't suggest him as being a great WR.........wait.

[FunkyTeaParty]

Moss punked out in Oakland. Quit on the field. Never forget that. Unforgivable.

Pats suck.

[UgliestNakedGuy]

Moss spent a lot of time "injured" in Oakland, now whether or not he just didn't want to play or was being a pussy or whatever has nothing to do with it. He didn't even play much. If you watch Randy now, you will see that he throws blocks (weak ones, but the effort is there) and finishes his routes etc. He is a different guy in NE than he was before. Yeah, he drops balls sometimes, but you have to admit that he is much more disciplined now than then and that has made him a better player.

Moss is a great WR, anyone who disagrees is just an idiot. Hate to be blunt, but it's true.

I guess usually WRs that suck put up the numbers he puts up. :rolleyes

[UgliestNakedGuy]

Moss punked out in Oakland. Quit on the field. Never forget that. Unforgivable.

Pats suck.

Are you an Oakland fan?

EDIT: And his doing that literally has NOTHING to do with his talents as a wide reciever, it has to do with his character and that's 100% a different issue.

[TwoStep2888]

Moss punked out in Oakland. Quit on the field. Never forget that. Unforgivable.

Pats suck.

:thumbsup

[UgliestNakedGuy]

What about what Calvin Johnson did last season?

His QBs were much better than when Moss had Andrew fucking Walter throwing him the ball.

[pathetic]

Moss punked out in Oakland. Quit on the field. Never forget that. Unforgivable.

Pats suck.

pats suck, but win championships...moss and brady suck, but break records...

[FunkyTeaParty]

Are you an Oakland fan?

EDIT: And his doing that literally has NOTHING to do with his talents as a wide reciever, it has to do with his character and that's 100% a different issue.

I am not an Oakland fan, but I watched him punk out. I am a fan of his from all the way back at Marshall. He's a freak. But he coasted in Oakland and stole their money. That makes him a piece of shit.

[jen602]

No one said that Moss hasn't made mistakes, but he has grown up so much, he doesn't act like an asshole anymore. Moss is still fast as fuck, is having a great camp and will show everyone who is the best WR in the league. The only one in my opinion who you can compare is Fitzgerald.

[FunkyTeaParty]

Just as long as there isn't a "blue moon" and he gets a 4 game suspension.

[pathetic]

No one said that Moss hasn't made mistakes, but he has grown up so much, he doesn't act like an asshole anymore. Moss is still fast as fuck, is having a great camp and will show everyone who is the best WR in the league. The only one in my opinion who you can compare is Fitzgerald.

fitz is the best in football...moss is top 5 imo. moss and brady are the best combo in football though

[dmbmuskie]

:lol dude I respect your knowledgeand what you usually bring to the table, but sometimes you say shit that is completely off base and ignorant. To say Randy Moss sucks just makes you look stupid, and you're not that stupid, so come on man....

Randy Moss is a top 5 WR and you know it.

Sucks is probably too strong of a word, but I think he is the most massively over hyped player that I have ever seen. Unless you have a team like the Patriots or the Minnesota teams he played for he is not going to help you the way a true # 1 guy can.

[jen602]

Just as long as there isn't a "blue moon" and he gets a 4 game suspension.

I am telling you...Randy is a changed man. He isn't stupid enough to get caught anyhow (hope not). Hopefully the blue moon was at least a month or so ago.

[dmbmuskie]

All of which he does better than anyone in the NFL right now. Most people in the NFL will probably tell you that Randy Moss is the most dangerous WR in the NFL. Others will say Fitz, but a lot will say Moss.

This is a stupid argument, I guess Moss' career number don't suggest him as being a great WR.........wait.

The problem with Moss is that people always project his skills into the perfect situation for those skills. The #1 myth in football is the WRs stretch the field. If the QB cannot get him the ball deep that eliminates the 9 route and the 0, and you are left with a guy who is only effective in the Red Zone, which is not a place you visit often when your team sucks,

The best players in the NFL contribute every down and in every situation.

[pathetic]

The problem with Moss is that people always project his skills into the perfect situation for those skills. The #1 myth in football is the WRs stretch the field. If the QB cannot get him the ball deep that eliminates the 9 route and the 0, and you are left with a guy who is only effective in the Red Zone, which is not a place you visit often when your team sucks,

The best players in the NFL contribute every down and in every situation.

i dont mind the guy taking plays off...

its tough to get the lung capacity if you smoke weeeeed...

[jen602]

The problem with Moss is that people always project his skills into the perfect situation for those skills. The #1 myth in football is the WRs stretch the field. If the QB cannot get him the ball deep that eliminates the 9 route and the 0, and you are left with a guy who is only effective in the Red Zone, which is not a place you visit often when your team sucks,

The best players in the NFL contribute every down and in every situation.

You have a good point, he isn't much of a possession receiver, but you know the deep threat is always there. Wes Welker isn't much of a deep threat, he is our guy to pick up the 1st down. Different guys for different situations.
Moss will be more effective this year in other situations too. He also makes such a good decoy, its gonna leave either Welker or Galloway open.

[dmbmuskie]

i dont mind the guy taking plays off...

its tough to get the lung capacity if you smoke weeeeed...

That is not what I am saying. I'm saying if you have an average line and an average QB, Moss is not doing your team much good on a 4th and 7 you have to convert to have a chance at winning. The threat that Moss brings to the table only matters if your QB stays upright and can deliver a ball 40 yards down the field accurately.

[DMBZeppelin]

fitz is the best in football
I'm not 100% sure I agee with this. Though I will say without a doubt Fitz is 1 or 2. The run Fitz went on in the playoffs was amazing, but before the playoff run if you asked me who the best WR in football was? I'd tell you Andre Johnson, and he doesn't have Boldin lining up on the other side. Even if Fitz is #1 in the NFL. I'm not sure it's as clear cut a lot assume.

Unless you have a team like the Patriots or the Minnesota teams he played for he is not going to help you the way a true # 1 guy can.
I wish we could replay last year with Moss on the Lions. It be interesting to see if he could have the impact Calvin Johnson had.

[kittensXLI]

Anyone who thinks Andre Johnson is not the #1 wide receiver in the league can and should never speak to me again. The same applies to anyone who thinks Larry Fitzgerald is not the #2.

[Crush086]

Moss punked out in Oakland. Quit on the field. Never forget that. Unforgivable.

Pats suck.

:thumbsup

Pats suck.

[pathetic]

That is not what I am saying. I'm saying if you have an average line and an average QB, Moss is not doing your team much good on a 4th and 7 you have to convert to have a chance at winning. The threat that Moss brings to the table only matters if your QB stays upright and can deliver a ball 40 yards down the field accurately.

that's what we have welker for

I'm not 100% sure I agee with this. Though I will say without a doubt Fitz is 1 or 2. The run Fitz went on in the playoffs was amazing, but before the playoff run if you asked me who the best WR in football was? I'd tell you Andre Johnson, and he doesn't have Boldin lining up on the other side. Even if Fitz is #1 in the NFL. I'm not sure it's as clear cut a lot assume.



I wish we could replay last year with Moss on the Lions. It be interesting to see if he could have the impact Calvin Johnson had.

yeah you say without a doubt he's 1 or 2...i say he;'s #1

i didnt only watch the playoffs last year...i had fitz on my fantasy team and watched boldin catch the tds week in and week out...fitz is the better of the 2 and imo the best receiver in the game

[SoRight24]

:thumbsup

Pats suck.

For once I agree with you.

[rickyh24]

:thumbsup

Pats suck.

For once I agree with you.

LOL NY sports fans are so clueless.

[BotheDMBFan]

Fuck das Pats.

[rickyh24]

U just jealous

[BotheDMBFan]

U just jealous

We got Cutler, I no longer feel jealousy.

[rickyh24]

We got Cutler, I no longer feel jealousy.

talk to me when they have 3 rings.

[BotheDMBFan]

talk to me when they have 3 rings.

I care not about the championships you had to cheat to get.

[rickyh24]

I care not about the championships you had to cheat to get.

fail.

[BotheDMBFan]

fail.

On Arlen Specter's part, yeah.

That was just stupid. I mean, you guys cheated like a bunch of cheating cheaters who cheat a lot. But he made just made it silly.

[Crush086]

For once I agree with you.
Hey! Maybe you're not that bad after all!
LOL NY sports fans are so clueless.

Boston fans are cheaters in denial.lol

[UgliestNakedGuy]

Hey! Maybe you're not that bad after all!


Boston fans are cheaters in denial.lol

People are naive when they think that the Patriots were alone in what they were doing....That is a whole other discussion though, and obivously there is no PROOF of anything, but I think you'd have to be blind to not think other teams were doing what they did.

Whatever though. I like the "us vs the world" Patriots mentality that you guys keep feeding. It really does fuel the New England Patriots to an extent. So keep it coming. And we'll keep winning.

People love to hate who they have to always look up to in the standings....

[kittensXLI]

Love to hate what? How's the view from down there, New England? The Steelers have two out of the last four, and the Patriots have nothing. Quit acting like you're team has been remotely close to the best when it's been irrelevant minus choking at 18-1 since 2004. Maybe in your mind they're #1 every year, but in the real world, they aren't the best.

[rickyh24]

Love to hate what? How's the view from down there, New England? The Steelers have two out of the last four, and the Patriots have nothing. Quit acting like you're team has been remotely close to the best when it's been irrelevant minus choking at 18-1 since 2004. Maybe in your mind they're #1 every year, but in the real world, they aren't the best.

:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol

[rickyh24]

Irrelevant? They have 3 championships this decade what a dumb thing to say.

[UgliestNakedGuy]

Love to hate what? How's the view from down there, New England? The Steelers have two out of the last four, and the Patriots have nothing. Quit acting like you're team has been remotely close to the best when it's been irrelevant minus choking at 18-1 since 2004. Maybe in your mind they're #1 every year, but in the real world, they aren't the best.

Can you please show me where I said we are number one every year? I said look up at the standings, meaning we tend to finish at the top of our division year in, year out.

And to say the Patriots have been irrelevant just shows some serious ignorance on your part, no offense man.

And to the bolded part......what? You act as though the Patriots aren't many people's superbowl pick EVERY SINGLE YEAR. We may not win if every year, but we are nearly always in the running for it. As a fan, you can't ask for much more than that.

But yeah, I never said they were the best team every year. That was made up on your end in order to strengthen your side of the argument.

[rickyh24]

Can you please show me where I said we are number one every year?

Funny thing is they have been number one Superbowl odds wise for a few years now and I'm pretty sure that has not changed this year.

[UgliestNakedGuy]

Rotoworld usually says things like this about WRs who "suck":

"Randy Moss has averaged one touchdown for every 6.24 of his receptions over his 11-year career, the best TD rate in NFL history for receivers with at least 500 catches."

Only WRs who arent that great have numbers like that right?......

[dmbmuskie]

Rotoworld usually says things like this about WRs who "suck":

"Randy Moss has averaged one touchdown for every 6.24 of his receptions over his 11-year career, the best TD rate in NFL history for receivers with at least 500 catches."

Only WRs who arent that great have numbers like that right?......

Did you really just use a fantasy sports site as a source to prove a point?

Fantasy football and Madden have dumbed people down so much. That is not a shot at you, but just a general observation on football fans in general.

[Crush086]

People are naive when they think that the Patriots were alone in what they were doing....That is a whole other discussion though, and obivously there is no PROOF of anything, but I think you'd have to be blind to not think other teams were doing what they did.

But the Pats were the only ones dumb enough to get caught. Therefore, Pats suck.

[Tiduwho]

It's amazing that UNG has lasted this long already.....

[jen602]

People are naive when they think that the Patriots were alone in what they were doing....That is a whole other discussion though, and obivously there is no PROOF of anything, but I think you'd have to be blind to not think other teams were doing what they did.

Whatever though. I like the "us vs the world" Patriots mentality that you guys keep feeding. It really does fuel the New England Patriots to an extent. So keep it coming. And we'll keep winning.

People love to hate who they have to always look up to in the standings....

You are so right about people being naive. Nobody seems to understand about the actual rule either. Teams are allowed to tape opponents signals. They are only allowed to tape from areas with walls. See Page 105 of the 2007 NFL Game Operations Manual states, "No video recording devices of any kind are permitted to be in use in the coaches' booth, on the field, or in the locker room during the game...All video shooting locations must be enclosed on all sides with a roof overhead." So all they really did was tape from an illegal area. The media likes to blow things out of proportion and make us the villain all the time. It is "us vs. the world."

Remember in 2007 when we caught a Jets employee watching a closed practice with a telescope at Gillette? We didn't run to Goddell like rats. All we did was throw the dude out.

In 2006 the Dolphins purchased a tape of Tommy's audibles. They killed us 21-0. The Dolphins held the Patriots to 12 first downs and 189 yards and held Brady to 78 passing yards and a passer rating of 55.1 while sacking him four times. He never looked so confused. They knew every play he was gonna run. did we run and cry? No.

Is any of this considered "cheating?"

Only if it is done by the Patriots.

I am so fucking sick of people running their mouths about something that they don't even know anything about.

Lastly, I sadly pay taxes here in the state of Pennsylvania. Arlen Specter is just bitter about his eagles losing to us in the SB. There are about a million other problems that the government should be handling besides BB breaking a rule in the NFL. The guy is a crazy senile asshole.

Sorry about the long rant, but I will always defend my squad.

[Crush086]

You are so right about people being naive. Nobody seems to understand about the actual rule either. Teams are allowed to tape opponents signals. They are only allowed to tape from areas with walls. See Page 105 of the 2007 NFL Game Operations Manual states, "No video recording devices of any kind are permitted to be in use in the coaches' booth, on the field, or in the locker room during the game...All video shooting locations must be enclosed on all sides with a roof overhead." So all they really did was tape from an illegal area. The media likes to blow things out of proportion and make us the villain all the time. It is "us vs. the world."

Continue long rant about how my team isn't retarded for getting caught cheating and typical Patriot nonsense...
I watch Sportscenter, I know who cheats. It's called Spygate for a reason.

[dmbmuskie]

Jen,

I think you are misinterpretting the rule.

[dmbgodagirl41]

:lol I just read the tags in this thread. Love them.

[dmbgodagirl41]

You are so right about people being naive. Nobody seems to understand about the actual rule either. Teams are allowed to tape opponents signals. They are only allowed to tape from areas with walls. See Page 105 of the 2007 NFL Game Operations Manual states, "No video recording devices of any kind are permitted to be in use in the coaches' booth, on the field, or in the locker room during the game...All video shooting locations must be enclosed on all sides with a roof overhead." So all they really did was tape from an illegal area. The media likes to blow things out of proportion and make us the villain all the time. It is "us vs. the world."

Remember in 2007 when we caught a Jets employee watching a closed practice with a telescope at Gillette? We didn't run to Goddell like rats. All we did was throw the dude out.

In 2006 the Dolphins purchased a tape of Tommy's audibles. They killed us 21-0. The Dolphins held the Patriots to 12 first downs and 189 yards and held Brady to 78 passing yards and a passer rating of 55.1 while sacking him four times. He never looked so confused. They knew every play he was gonna run. did we run and cry? No.

Is any of this considered "cheating?"

Only if it is done by the Patriots.

I am so fucking sick of people running their mouths about something that they don't even know anything about.

Lastly, I sadly pay taxes here in the state of Pennsylvania. Arlen Specter is just bitter about his eagles losing to us in the SB. There are about a million other problems that the government should be handling besides BB breaking a rule in the NFL. The guy is a crazy senile asshole.

Sorry about the long rant, but I will always defend my squad.

This post = win. :lol I have been bringing up the Miami and Jets examples ever since the "horrible cheating" happened. Everyone does it, just some people are complete bitches about it. Mangina used to do it in Cleveland, so because he knew he'd get raped up the ass, he had to squeal like the 4 year old girl he is.

The best was when John Madden was like "Oh, give me a break who doesn't do that? Super bowls have been won on taping and stealiing footage!" or whatever. haha he may be crazy but at least he's honest.

[dmbmuskie]

:lol I just read the tags in this thread. Love them.

I miss the glory days of the tags when you could literally put anything you wanted down there.

[BotheDMBFan]

I made those tags a few hours ago, thought they were all great.

[jen602]

Sportscenter is the biggest part of the media hype surrounding the whole thing. ESPN hates the Pats, it is very clear. They hate u because BB is an asshole to the media, I can't say I blame him. BSPN never acknowledged anything about the actual rule and gave a totally biased opinion. Yeah, we got caught breaking a rule. We got punished and have a better record post-spygate than previously. People need to get over this. It is called spygate because that is what BSPN chose to call it. What about all the guys who get caught using steroids? (Rodney included, so don't start on that) Is that "cheating?" Shit way worse than this goes on every day. We got snitched on by someone who BB brought up from a ball boy in Cleveland. It is what it is. It is over now and the rest of the world need to get over it.

[dmbgodagirl41]

I miss the glory days of the tags when you could literally put anything you wanted down there.

haha me too. Some of them got to be so damn funny. Brought many LULz to threads. I kind of 1/2 expected my name to be in one of the tags; somewhat relieved that it's not.:lol

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Saying the Patriots were the only ones is like saying this Health Care fuss is really about Health Care.

[jen602]

Jen,

I think you are misinterpretting the rule.

I will give you that one, but the rule isn't really all that clear. BB made a dumb excuse, but come on. The rule is unclear.

[dmbgodagirl41]

Sportscenter is the biggest part of the media hype surrounding the whole thing. ESPN hates the Pats, it is very clear. They hate u because BB is an asshole to the media, I can't say I blame him. BSPN never acknowledged anything about the actual rule and gave a totally biased opinion. Yeah, we got caught breaking a rule. We got punished and have a better record post-spygate than previously. People need to get over this. It is called spygate because that is what BSPN chose to call it. What about all the guys who get caught using steroids? (Rodney included, so don't start on that) Is that "cheating?" Shit way worse than this goes on every day. We got snitched on by someone who BB brought up from a ball boy in Cleveland. It is what it is. It is over now and the rest of the world need to get over it.

I dont think ESPN hates the Patriots totally; they love the DRAMZ that comes with the pats. :)

I just wish Tony Kornheiser would shut his frickin' pie hole about everything. That guy knows nothing about everything. Douche.

[Crush086]

I miss the glory days of the tags when you could literally put anything you wanted down there.
Does anybody ever search using tags anyways?

[SoRight24]

I'm so glad Rodney HGHarison is gone.

What a prick that guy was.

[BotheDMBFan]

Sportscenter is the biggest part of the media hype surrounding the whole thing. ESPN hates the Pats, it is very clear. They hate u because BB is an asshole to the media, I can't say I blame him. BSPN never acknowledged anything about the actual rule and gave a totally biased opinion. Yeah, we got caught breaking a rule. We got punished and have a better record post-spygate than previously. People need to get over this. It is called spygate because that is what BSPN chose to call it. What about all the guys who get caught using steroids? (Rodney included, so don't start on that) Is that "cheating?" Shit way worse than this goes on every day. We got snitched on by someone who BB brought up from a ball boy in Cleveland. It is what it is. It is over now and the rest of the world need to get over it.

ESPN hates the Patriots? Are you fucking serious?

[SoRight24]

ESPN has an orgasm when the Patriots do something remotely good.

[BotheDMBFan]

Saying the Patriots were the only ones is like saying this Health Care fuss is really about Health Care.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8HrJ48zm08

[TempHelpNeeded]

"If you aren't cheating, you aren't trying." Talk to MLB.

[Crush086]

I'm so glad Rodney HGHarison is gone.

What a prick that guy was.
Ditto.
ESPN hates the Patriots? Are you fucking serious?
You beat me to it. What ridiculousness. :lol

[TempHelpNeeded]

ESPN masturbates and creams itself over any product doing well in the Northeast. Plain and simple.

[BotheDMBFan]

"If you aren't cheating, you aren't trying." Talk to MLB.

Author of said quote is banned from MLB. Your point?

[TempHelpNeeded]

Author of said quote is banned from MLB. Your point?


Author of said quote would be L.T. of the San Diego Chargers and really doesn't have much to do with the MLB.

[BotheDMBFan]

Author of said quote would be L.T. of the San Diego Chargers and really doesn't have much to do with the MLB.

If you ain't cheatin', you ain't tryin' is Pete Rose.

[jen602]

I am serious. All they do is make us out to be the bad guy and tell one-sided reports. No one from that shithole network did anything but bash us. Jimmy Johnson, John Madden, and a whole bunch of other came to our defense, but ESPN only reported on the "evil Patriots" never did they tell our side or any facts really for that matter.

[TempHelpNeeded]

If you ain't cheatin', you ain't tryin' is Pete Rose.


Well maybe Pete was the first to say it, but I was referring to LT's quoting of it when he was discussing BB and the Patriots.

[SoRight24]

If you ain't cheatin', you ain't tryin' is Pete Rose.

Who, for the record, should be reinstated.

And then immediately inducted into the HOF.

[BotheDMBFan]

I am serious. All they do is make us out to be the bad guy and tell one-sided reports. No one from that shithole network did anything but bash us. Jimmy Johnson, John Madden, and a whole bunch of other came to our defense, but ESPN only reported on the "evil Patriots" never did they tell our side or any facts really for that matter.

I have never, ever, EVER seen a team be as ballwashed as the Patriots in 07 on their undefeated run. EVER.

[BotheDMBFan]

Well maybe Pete was the first to say it, but I was referring to LT's quoting of it when he was discussing BB and the Patriots.

Just thought it was funny that you use that quote, then say talk to MLB.

[TempHelpNeeded]

I am serious. All they do is make us out to be the bad guy and tell one-sided reports. No one from that shithole network did anything but bash us. Jimmy Johnson, John Madden, and a whole bunch of other came to our defense, but ESPN only reported on the "evil Patriots" never did they tell our side or any facts really for that matter.


You'll come to learn ESPN really sucks. Remember when Sportscenter was sports highlights?!?! Yeah, neither can I.

[BotheDMBFan]

Who, for the record, should be reinstated.

And then immediately inducted into the HOF.

We don't agree on much, but this is so far past common sense, it's hard not to.

[jen602]

LT is a bitter sore-ass loser whiny punk.

[BotheDMBFan]

You'll come to learn ESPN really sucks. Remember when Sportscenter was sports highlights?!?! Yeah, neither can I.

Then why are you upset about it not being that? If you can't remember it being Sports highlights, this thusly implies that it never was. So why bitch about it being something it apparently never was.

[SoRight24]

LT is a bitter sore-ass loser whiny punk.

A lot like Belichik is after a loss.

[TempHelpNeeded]

Just thought it was funny that you use that quote, then say talk to MLB.


Yeah, I'm just trying to show everyone that look at all your sports. Who isn't cheating to win? NASCAR with illegal parts, stops, and drugs. Basketball slowly now with the Orlando situation. Baseball is one big joke and with football we probably will never know. Cycling...the list goes on and on.


They are gladiators. We pay to see unbelievable feats. Just get used to it and stop bitching when they cheat. Infractions happen and they are dealt with. If you don't like it, don't support the brand.

[SoRight24]

Then why are you upset about it not being that? If you can't remember it being Sports highlights, this thusly implies that it never was. So why bitch about it being something it apparently never was.

I think Greg has clearly lost his mind, and his ability to make good threads. :lol

[dmbgodagirl41]

LT and Phyllis Rivers are bitter sore-ass loser whiny punks.

Added extra for accuracy. :lol

[TempHelpNeeded]

Then why are you upset about it not being that? If you can't remember it being Sports highlights, this thusly implies that it never was. So why bitch about it being something it apparently never was.


I was trying to be funny Bo. It was sports based before. Remember Craig Kilborn or whatever the fuck his name was? They used outlandish talk and hype, but they JUST showed highlights before.

[BotheDMBFan]

Yeah, I'm just trying to show everyone that look at all your sports. Who isn't cheating to win? NASCAR with illegal parts, stops, and drugs. Basketball slowly now with the Orlando situation. Baseball is one big joke and with football we probably will never know. Cycling...the list goes on and on.


They are gladiators. We pay to see unbelievable feats. Just get used to it and stop bitching when they cheat. Infractions happen and they are dealt with. If you don't like it, don't support the brand.

I've never heard of anyone cheating at curling.

[BotheDMBFan]

Added extra for accuracy. :lol

Jay Cutler is our QB.

I wish greatly one day for a Bears v Chargers Super Bowl

[SoRight24]

I'm not cleam?

[BotheDMBFan]

I'm not cleam?

I don't clean. I'm not cleam. Hok?