Bash the Pats!

[thebestauntie]

They are very pretty, I'm sure. ;)



:thumbsup Hey like I said, if the Colts were the ones doing this, I'd acknowledge it and wouldn't even try to defend it, I know enough about the game.

But short of the Colts killing kittens, I'm not gonna stop being a homer.
Oh, dont' get me wrong, I'm still loving the Pats and the 8-0 (soon to be 9-0) season!! And I'll be loving it for a long long time! But I haven't been defending them because I can see what the rest of you are seeing. And for years I was always impressed that the Pats didn't run up the score, and now they are, and I dont' particularly like it. But I like the 8-0 record for sure!!:D

[dmbhoosier21]

so is marvin harrison playing next sunday?

I sure hope so. :shrug

[dmbhoosier21]

Oh, dont' get me wrong, I'm still loving the Pats and the 8-0 (soon to be 9-0) season!! And I'll be loving it for a long long time! But I haven't been defending them because I can see what the rest of you are seeing. And for years I was always impressed that the Pats didn't run up the score, and now they are, and I dont' particularly like it. But I like the 8-0 record for sure!!:D

As you should. :thumbsup

[waywayNCSU]

I sure hope so. :shrug

How has a bruised knee limited him this long? I hope they are just making extra sure he's 100% for this game... He had a bye week, a play count vs Jax, then didn't play at all yesterday. I hope he's ready to go.

[dmbhoosier21]

How has a bruised knee limited him this long? I hope they are just making extra sure he's 100% for this game... He had a bye week, a play count vs Jax, then didn't play at all yesterday. I hope he's ready to go.

There's actually grumblings about the injury being worse than the Colts are making it out to be.


I hope it's untrue and will be 100% for the game.

[chr35919]

I sure hope so. :shrugif he doesn't i'm sure colts fans will use that as a reason why they lost:lorraine

edit: i guess it would be a fair excuse

[dmbhoosier21]

Amazing how it is actually possible that this can be talked about in a civil manner, hmmmmmm wonder what's different about this time.

[dmbhoosier21]

if he doesn't i'm sure colts fans will use that as a reason why they lost:lorraine

edit: i guess it would be a fair excuse

Nah, we typically don't use excuses. As far as I know, no teams have used any excuses against the Pats. They are clearly a very good team.

[DMBtheStoned]

Amazing how it is actually possible that this can be talked about in a civil manner, hmmmmmm wonder what's different about this time.

:lol ya really...seems like someone is missing from this conversation!

[dmbindedham]

On another solid note: Seymour will be back with the Pats this week.

We've been without our best defensive player all year, hard to believe.

[dmbhoosier21]

:lol ya really...seems like someone is missing from this conversation!

I wonder..........:rolleyes.

As vehemently as the other Pats fans have defended, regardless of how wrong they may be ;), BB - no name calling no insults, no whining about people are talking about them too much.

[SoRight24]

Such a sad, sad bunch

Idiots.

Losers.

[chr35919]

Such a sad, sad bunch

Idiots.

Losers.
winners.;)

[SoRight24]

I'm done with you chodes.

Losers.

[DMBtheStoned]

Such a sad, sad bunch

Idiots.

Losers.


BBK ?! is that you?!

[chr35919]

espn poll:

What do you think of the Patriots' late game scoring this season?

56% Perfectly Appropriate

44% Unnecessarily piling it on


http://espn.go.com/

[dmbgodagirl41]

espn poll:

What do you think of the Patriots' late game scoring this season?

56% Perfectly Appropriate

44% Unnecessarily piling it on


http://espn.go.com/

The Patriots nation is HUGE and I love it! :)

[UNC41]

The Patriots nation is HUGE and I love it! :)

My newest pet peeve is fan bases going by "Nation." Weak sauce.

[SoRight24]

The Patriots nation is HUGE and I love it! :)

Gee, I wonder why it's so huge. :rolleyes

I'm sure all of those Pats fans across the country were fans back in 1990. :rolleyes

I can deal with Pats fans who have ties to the NE area, but fuck all other bandwagoners.

[DMBZeppelin]

I'm done with you chodes.

Losers.
:lol

[dmbhoosier21]

:lol Asked about the reason for going for it on 4th down up 45-0, BB with a straight face simply says "we opted not to kick the field goal"

:lol That's hilarious.

[smeritt]

:lol Asked about the reason for going for it on 4th down up 45-0, BB with a straight face simply says "we opted not to kick the field goal"

:lol That's hilarious.
Can he just come out and say he has no soul. I mean honestly. No one would be surprised.

[dmbgodagirl41]

Gee, I wonder why it's so huge. :rolleyes

I'm sure all of those Pats fans across the country were fans back in 1990. :rolleyes

I can deal with Pats fans who have ties to the NE area, but fuck all other bandwagoners.

:lol yeah, bandwagoners period are not cool.
In my defense, I have a picture of myself in 4th grade (1992) wearing a NE Starter jacket!

[chr35919]

bill belichick will be on the big show (weei) within the hour:

listen online: http://weei.com/Homepage/498786

[cbotnyse]

I think this story belongs here....

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/nfl_experts/post/Patriots-complain-about-crowd-noise?urn=nfl,52422

[DMBtheStoned]

I think this story belongs here....

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/nfl_experts/post/Patriots-complain-about-crowd-noise?urn=nfl,52422

:lorraine:lorraine

[dmbmuskie]

"I hope the league investigates this situation with all their available resources, so we can find out the truth. The NFL is not a place for cheaters."

-Bill Bellichick, during his Monday afternnon press conference

[dmbgodagirl41]

"In the past, Colts General Manager Bill Polian has vehemently argued that the Patriots have bent the rules in terms of use of replay challenges and the pass interference rule."

:lol :lol :lol :lol
best ending to an article ever.

[dmbgodagirl41]

"I hope the league investigates this situation with all their available resources, so we can find out the truth. The NFL is not a place for cheaters."

-Bill Bellichick, during his Monday afternnon press conference

to be fair, he's correct. not saying he isn't a big, fat, hypocrite, but he's still right.

[DMBtheStoned]

"I hope the league investigates this situation with all their available resources, so we can find out the truth. The NFL is not a place for cheaters."

-Bill Bellichick, during his Monday afternnon press conference

:lol:lol:lol

[thebestauntie]

"I hope the league investigates this situation with all their available resources, so we can find out the truth. The NFL is not a place for cheaters."

-Bill Bellichick, during his Monday afternnon press conference
Come on, you're making that up!

[cbotnyse]

"I hope the league investigates this situation with all their available resources, so we can find out the truth. The NFL is not a place for cheaters."

-Bill Bellichick, during his Monday afternnon press conferencedid he really say that?

[rickyh24]

if he did say that i guarantee it makes some sort of late night talk show appearance...that is some funny shit.

[littlemoremagic]

"I hope the league investigates this situation with all their available resources, so we can find out the truth. The NFL is not a place for cheaters."

-Bill Bellichick, during his Monday afternnon press conference
I'm sensing some obvious sarcasm there if he really said it.

[dmbgodagirl41]

I'm sensing some obvious sarcasm there if he really said it.

He probably was being sarcastic/funny, but he doesn't realize that no one will pick up on it because he always has the personality of a wet mop, soooooooo....

[cbotnyse]

CBS has informed us that the unusual audio moment heard by fans during the Patriots-Colts game was the result of tape feedback in the CBS production truck and was isolated to the CBS broadcast. It was in no way related to any sound within the stadium and could not be heard in the stadium.

http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/reiss_pieces/

I guess that proves Brady really is a cry baby.

[dmbgodagirl41]

CBS has informed us that the unusual audio moment heard by fans during the Patriots-Colts game was the result of tape feedback in the CBS production truck and was isolated to the CBS broadcast. It was in no way related to any sound within the stadium and could not be heard in the stadium.

http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/reiss_pieces/

I guess that proves Brady really is a cry baby.

Wasn't it Bruschi and Belichick that were complaining?
Yeah, shut up.

and of course it was feedback in the CBS production truck. Just like it was okay for Miami to buy tapes of NE practices. Just like those were legit Pass Interference calls.
see a pattern? :rollseyes

[Trippin4136]

Wasn't it Bruschi and Belichick that were complaining?
Yeah, shut up.

and of course it was feedback in the CBS production truck. Just like it was okay for Miami to buy tapes of NE practices. Just like those were legit Pass Interference calls.
see a pattern? :rollseyes

Oh quit your complaining. New England DB's are notorious for manhandling WRs and getting away it.

[DMBtheStoned]

cheaters

[cbotnyse]

Wasn't it Bruschi and Belichick that were complaining?
Yeah, shut up.

and of course it was feedback in the CBS production truck. Just like it was okay for Miami to buy tapes of NE practices. Just like those were legit Pass Interference calls.
see a pattern? :rollseyes"I don't know how you measure levels of being deaf, but we couldn't hear anything out there," Brady said.

:lorraine :lorraine :lorraine

[waywayNCSU]

Wasn't it Bruschi and Belichick that were complaining?
Yeah, shut up.

In addition, New England quarterback Tom Brady (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/5228/) also commented on how loud it was in the RCA Dome.

"I don't know how you measure levels of being deaf, but we couldn't hear anything out there," Brady said.

[rickyh24]

:lol people make me laugh

[DMBtheStoned]

quote pwnage

[UNC41]

Wasn't it Bruschi and Belichick that were complaining?
Yeah, shut up.

and of course it was feedback in the CBS production truck. Just like it was okay for Miami to buy tapes of NE practices. Just like those were legit Pass Interference calls.
see a pattern? :rollseyes

New England isn't the first team to bring this up. This isn't the first time the NFL has found no wrong doing. Say it with me, the NFL is not out to get the Pats ...

[dmbgodagirl41]

In addition, New England quarterback Tom Brady (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/5228/) also commented on how loud it was in the RCA Dome.

"I don't know how you measure levels of being deaf, but we couldn't hear anything out there," Brady said.

okay, so he commented on how loud it was. It was loud. He was saying it was loud. It's a dome.

Tommy is not smart. Don't take what he says as him having any clue that any accusations were made/he was making accusations.

[dmbmuskie]

The BB quote is completely made up.

I can't believe it started a small discussion.

[dmbgodagirl41]

New England isn't the first team to bring this up. This isn't the first time the NFL has found no wrong doing. Say it with me, the NFL is not out to get the Pats ...

it's not that they are out to get the pats, they are out to let the Colts get away with everything.

I read something this morning in some random blog where a guy said that it doesnt matter if the Colts are accused of murder, their owners/GMs will just talk to whomever is investigating and make whatever they do legal anyways, so there's no point in even accusing them of anything but "being the best".

Too bad that's true.

[rickyh24]

The BB quote is completely made up.

I can't believe it started a small discussion.

:lol it was funny though

[dmbmuskie]

The Pats have a complex of some sort, and their fans have taken it on as well.

It's the Pats against the world. I'm pretty sure even Jesus is rooting against you guys.

[dmbgodagirl41]

The Pats have a complex of some sort, and their fans have taken it on as well.

It's the Pats against the world. I'm pretty sure even Jesus is rooting against you guys.

Jesus may be, but God is a Brady fan, so Jesus usually gets trumped in that whole thing.

[thebestauntie]

The BB quote is completely made up.

I can't believe it started a small discussion.
:eek :lol

[dmbmuskie]

:lol it was funny though

It's not as good as my slap shot reference that got the Bengals fans all pissed off.

One of them really thought I put a bounty on Carson Palmer.

[dmbgodagirl41]

BB could really say that, though, in an attempt to make light of the situation if his allegations ended up being false....just sayin'.

[rickyh24]

im really sick of the "nfl is not against the pats comments" the only people i see say anything about this is non-pats fans bitching.

[dmbmuskie]

BB could really say that, though, in an attempt to make light of the situation if his allegations ended up being false....just sayin'.

We all know he doesn't talk to the media. He just grunts.

[dmbmuskie]

im really sick of the "nfl is not against the pats comments" the only people i see say anything about this is non-pats fans bitching.

Is there a team that hasn't done something that would draw the ire of the NFL?

The NFL isn't after anyone. The Pats being the bad guy is the best thing to happen to the league in a long time.

[rickyh24]

Is there a team that hasn't done something that would draw the ire of the NFL?

The NFL isn't after anyone. The Pats being the bad guy is the best thing to happen to the league in a long time.

i agree, the comments are just getting old. Its not necessary every time a comment is made about a bad call. some calls are just bad.

[UNC41]

it's not that they are out to get the pats, they are out to let the Colts get away with everything.

I read something this morning in some random blog where a guy said that it doesnt matter if the Colts are accused of murder, their owners/GMs will just talk to whomever is investigating and make whatever they do legal anyways, so there's no point in even accusing them of anything but "being the best".

Too bad that's true.

Too bad you actually believe this ...

[dmbhoosier21]

Too bad you actually believe this ...

:lol She's cute in that crazy kind of way.

[NastyMan]

CBS has informed us that the unusual audio moment heard by fans during the Patriots-Colts game was the result of tape feedback in the CBS production truck and was isolated to the CBS broadcast. It was in no way related to any sound within the stadium and could not be heard in the stadium.

http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/reiss_pieces/

I guess that proves Brady really is a cry baby.

Yesterday, Peyton was the crybaby getting furstrated and losing his call when things werent going the Colts way...aka slamming his hand into the ground...walking around with his head down, etc...you know things he normally does when he loses or has a bad game...

Give me an example of when Brady was a crybaby, cause I bet you can't. He was asked if it was loud and he said it was, how is that whining. You guys really do just look for things to complain about. I would be willing to bet that if the Colts indeed were cheating yesterday, you guys wouldnt think it was that big a deal, but if the Pats did it it would be the end of the world.

[SoRight24]

They are both cry babies really.

The whole Manning family is a bunch of spoiled brats IMO.

Eli being the worst.

[dmbgodagirl41]

Too bad you actually believe this ...

So let's say the Pats were accused of doing it in Gillette. You think it would have been dismissed as quickly? If so, ignorance is bliss....

[dmbgodagirl41]

:lol She's cute in that crazy kind of way.

Have I told you lately that I love your avatar?:D

[NastyMan]

Oh quit your complaining. New England DB's are notorious for manhandling WRs and getting away it.

Not true.

And if it was, why does that mean they should have 140 yards taken away from them on penalties that should not have been called.

The worst one was the one called on Ellis Hobbs when he just flat out beat Reggie Wayne...

Terrible officiating.

I'm just glad I havent had to deal with seeing Gene Austin reffing a game the Pats are playing yet of importance because his crew is the WORST.

[GOB_]

^ Seriously, why do you keep changing user names?

[NastyMan]

I don't see why it's so bad to complain about the officiating in a game?

The Pats won the game and I think the officiating was some of the worst I have ever seen. What do I have to gain by saying that? The refs did a good job in trying to give that game to the Colts, and that is the honest truth.

I could go on and on and list all the calls that were RIDICULOUS, but I will just leave it alone.

The refs were awful end of story. This is called a football discussion thread, it's ok to discuss how awful the officiating was. If it were any other game, and it were fans of another team saying something, you guys wouldnt be freaking out.....

[NastyMan]

^ Seriously, why do you keep changing user names?

:ggoat

[SoRight24]

I don't see why it's so bad to complain about the officiating in a game?

The Pats won the game and I think the officiating was some of the worst I have ever seen. What do I have to gain by saying that? The refs did a good job in trying to give that game to the Colts, and that is the honest truth.

I could go on and on and list all the calls that were RIDICULOUS, but I will just leave it alone.

The refs were awful end of story. This is called a football discussion thread, it's ok to discuss how awful the officiating was. If it were any other game, and it were fans of another team saying something, you guys wouldnt be freaking out.....

But in all honesty, that wasn't why the game was so close. I mean the refs were horrible yes, but the Colts are still a good team.

I don't mind people complaining about the officiating, but some have claimed the Pats would have killed them had it not been for the refs, I just don't believe that.

[NastyMan]

But in all honesty, that wasn't why the game was so close. I mean the refs were horrible yes, but the Colts are still a good team.

I don't mind people complaining about the officiating, but some have claimed the Pats would have killed them had it not been for the refs, I just don't believe that.

The Colts may not have gotten the 2 FGs had they not been given 2 bogus pass interference calls way down the field that set up FGs......


And the Pats may have scored more if there was a call when a defender actually held Moss' hand while Moss was attempting to catch a ball, or if there was a call when the same thing happened to Kevin Faulk....

[rickyh24]

:ggoat



well that gets to the bottom of that issue.

[dmbgodagirl41]

But in all honesty, that wasn't why the game was so close. I mean the refs were horrible yes, but the Colts are still a good team.

I don't mind people complaining about the officiating, but some have claimed the Pats would have killed them had it not been for the refs, I just don't believe that.

The patriots would have beat them by much more had the officiating not been so horrible.

[DMBtheStoned]

^ Seriously, why do you keep changing user names?

He'll get banned again before long. don't worry.

[SoRight24]

The Colts may not have gotten the 2 FGs had they not been given 2 bogus pass interference calls way down the field that set up FGs......


And the Pats may have scored more if there was a call when a defender actually held Moss' hand while Moss was attempting to catch a ball, or if there was a call when the same thing happened to Kevin Faulk....

But all in all the teams are fairly even with the Pats having the slight edge, IMO.

[SoRight24]

The patriots would have beat them by much more had the officiating not been so horrible.

No they wouldn't have.

The Colts would have won if they had Harrison and Ugoh. :rolleyes

See, I can do the same thing.

[dmbgodagirl41]

No they wouldn't have.

The Colts would have won if they had Harrison and Ugoh. :rolleyes

See, I can do the same thing.

Well, having Harrison and Ugoh is cancelled out with Morris, Troy Brown and David Thomas not being in, so what's your point?

New England's questionable/IR is much more hurtful to them than the Colts' questionable/IR list is to them...

[DMBtheStoned]

the pats suck?

[SoRight24]

Well, having Harrison and Ugoh is cancelled out with Morris, Troy Brown and David Thomas not being in, so what's your point?

Troy Brown, David Thomas and Sammy Morris do not = Marvin Harrison alone.

[GOB_]

Well, having Harrison and Ugoh is cancelled out with Morris, Troy Brown and David Thomas not being in, so what's your point?

You're joking, right?

[dmbgodagirl41]

You're joking, right?

Do you think I am?

[SoRight24]

Harrison = superstar.

Those 3 guys you mentioned = mediocre system guys.

There is a huge difference.

[DMBtheStoned]

^
I concur

[dmbhoosier21]

:ggoat

It's BBK with his 3rd name.

Isn't it against the rules to have an alter?

I mean I know some Pats fans don't think it's big deal to break some rules but .... I'm pretty sure having an alter is a "ban-able" offense.

[dmbhoosier21]

Have I told you lately that I love your avatar?:D

Well at least someone is enjoying it cus I friggin' hate it.

[dmbgodagirl41]

Harrison = superstar.

Those 3 guys you mentioned = mediocre system guys.

There is a huge difference.
There are no super stars on the patriots, so Troy Brown, Dave Thomas and Sammy Morris are key to that offense....just as Harrison is to the Indy offense.
Well at least someone is enjoying it cus I friggin' hate it.
It makes me want to touch myself whenever I see it.

[dmbhoosier21]

It makes me want to touch myself whenever I see it.

well everyone wins then.

[dmbhoosier21]

There are no super stars on the patriots, so Troy Brown, Dave Thomas and Sammy Morris are key to that offense....just as Harrison is to the Indy offense.


:lol sorry but no. Having your LT out is kindof a big deal as well; as well as a couple of LBs.

But oddly enough it wasn't a Colts fan who first brought up the injuries as a way to........:lorraine

Just pointing out the absurdity of the above comment.

It's equatable to Moss being out for the Pats then a Colts fan replying by "hey Keiaho, Morris, and Keith were out so it all levels out" :lol :lol :lol

[GOB_]

Do you think I am?

Knowing you, no.

[fuvonks]

Well at least someone is enjoying it cus I friggin' hate it.

Sweet Avatar dude! Just like mine and Katie's! Stop hating on the Pats....haters!

[thebestauntie]

Well at least someone is enjoying it cus I friggin' hate it.
It does make you hot Mike! :evil

[nescient]

The patriots would have beat them by much more had the officiating not been so horrible.

I find it funny that you make excuses for why your team didn't run up the score this week...given the opportunity, i'm sure you would have. oh yeah, and if you want to talk about officiating, there was plenty of holding going on that didn't get called during the game, mainly against your beloved pats. you may have won the game, but you were also awarded with the most penalty yards ever during an NFL game. class class class.

P.S. See you in Foxborough in January...

[UNC41]

So let's say the Pats were accused of doing it in Gillette. You think it would have been dismissed as quickly? If so, ignorance is bliss....

No, it wouldn't have. It's only more natural for accusations to be taken more seriously for repeat offenders than people/teams who have been cleared in the past.

Well, having Harrison and Ugoh is cancelled out with Morris, Troy Brown and David Thomas not being in, so what's your point?

:lol :lol :lol

There are no super stars on the patriots, so Troy Brown, Dave Thomas and Sammy Morris are key to that offense....just as Harrison is to the Indy offense.

This was true before they revamped their receiving corps ... now, not so much.

[BotheDMBFan]

FIX YOUR FACES!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Everyone, go forth and get the new Dillinger Escape Plan album, IRE WORKS!

[SoRight24]

FIX YOUR FACES!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Everyone, go forth and get the new Dillinger Escape Plan album, IRE WORKS!

I was thinking the same thing....

[dmbhoosier21]

It does make you hot Mike! :evil

No, I make it hot. ;)

[BotheDMBFan]

I was thinking the same thing....

Eh, it's my thread, I'll do whatever the hell I please in it.

[thebestauntie]

No, I make it hot. ;)
Yeah, that's what I meant. :D

[Tiduwho]

Patriot scum.

[DMBtheStoned]

pats blow donkey dick

[rickyh24]

pats suck!

[thebestauntie]

Cheaters!

[DMBtheStoned]

yes you guys are getting it now. this is the "Bash the patriots thread" not the "I wanna suck off Tom Brady thread".

Well done :thumbsup

[rickyh24]

yes you guys are getting it now. this is the "Bash the patriots thread" not the "I wanna suck off Tom Brady thread".

Well done :thumbsup


someone is going to make that thread now

[DMBtheStoned]

someone is going to make that thread now


:lol I'm surprised Katie hasn't already made one..

[chr35919]

hmmm...i wonder, if this steelers game keeps going the way it is, if the steelers will take out their starters...

i'm betting not.

[thebestauntie]

yes you guys are getting it now. this is the "Bash the patriots thread" not the "I wanna suck off Tom Brady thread".

Well done :thumbsup
Anything to make you happy Nick. :evil

[SoRight24]

This thread just took a turn for the better.

Finally you guys are seeing the light!

[dmbhoosier21]

hmmm...i wonder, if this steelers game keeps going the way it is, if the steelers will take out their starters...

i'm betting not.

Even if they didn't

I'd bet the Steeler fans wouldn't deny that they were running up the score ;)

[JonnyJoyRidin]

I love how the Colts fans can wine and give excuses that the Colts weren't at full strength without Marvin Harrison and their other no name players, however, they fail to realize that last year in the AFC Championship game in the 4th qtr The Patriots were without Colvin, Seymour and had Brady throwing passes to Caldwell who dropped balls. And Rodney Harrison wasn't playing either. But its ok the Colts were without Marvin on Sunday so its a moral victory... I hope we play the Colts again in January with Marvin in the game because we all know (03 & 04 Playoffs) that it didn't matter.

I also love how Colts fans can talk up their physical defense. That you are Colts, very physical and have a great safety in Sanders. Pats were a real physical team a few years ago and then the Colts front office complained to the league and got their way.

Rewind to 2006 and we have a sissy Pat Rule and some awful pass interfearance calls and we have your 2006 AFC Champions. I thought for a moment I was right back on my couch in January with the calls this past Sunday.

You got your Superbowl, yet I feel like there is still some insecurities from you Indy fans. Maybe its because they know we have 3 Superbowls and have the greatest QB that has ever lived playing in Foxboro.

I can go on, but I think I'll sit back relax and watch my Patriots Superbowl DVDS and 21 game winning streak dvd. Actually I think I'll watch Pittsburgh disrespectfully run up the score on the Ravens (Real Classy) I can't wait to hear Mark Sclereth comment on this one later. Didn't he play for the Bronco's who broke the salary cap rules?

By the way Mangini should spend less time on the tanning bed and more time breaking down game film. If its too much for him maybe he should go back to being the DB's coach.

[dmbmuskie]

The Steelers have pulled their starters against Cleveland, Buffalo, and San Fran. Tonight might be different because of what Baltimore did to the Steelers last year. Pats fans can get bent about it, but there is a big difference between what the Steelers are doing tonight and what the Pats did against the 'Skins.

I'm betting the Pats don't see that difference.

[dmbmuskie]

I love how the Colts fans can wine and give excuses that the Colts weren't at full strength without Marvin Harrison and their other no name players, however, they fail to realize that last year in the AFC Championship game in the 4th qtr The Patriots were without Colvin, Seymour and had Brady throwing passes to Caldwell who dropped balls. And Rodney Harrison wasn't playing either. But its ok the Colts were without Marvin on Sunday so its a moral victory... I hope we play the Colts again in January with Marvin in the game because we all know (03 & 04 Playoffs) that it didn't matter.

I also love how Colts fans can talk up their physical defense. That you are Colts, very physical and have a great safety in Sanders. Pats were a real physical team a few years ago and then the Colts front office complained to the league and got their way.

Rewind to 2006 and we have a sissy Pat Rule and some awful pass interfearance calls and we have your 2006 AFC Champions. I thought for a moment I was right back on my couch in January with the calls this past Sunday.

You got your Superbowl, yet I feel like there is still some insecurities from you Indy fans. Maybe its because they know we have 3 Superbowls and have the greatest QB that has ever lived playing in Foxboro.

I can go on, but I think I'll sit back relax and watch my Patriots Superbowl DVDS and 21 game winning streak dvd. Actually I think I'll watch Pittsburgh disrespectfully run up the score on the Ravens (Real Classy) I can't wait to hear Mark Sclereth comment on this one later. Didn't he play for the Bronco's who broke the salary cap rules?

By the way Mangini should spend less time on the tanning bed and more time breaking down game film. If its too much for him maybe he should go back to being the DB's coach.

Amen

[DMBtheStoned]

I love how the Pats fans always come in the bash the pats thread!

[dmbhoosier21]

I love how the Colts fans can wine and give excuses that the Colts weren't at full strength without Marvin Harrison and their other no name players, however, they fail to realize that last year in the AFC Championship game in the 4th qtr The Patriots were without Colvin, Seymour and had Brady throwing passes to Caldwell who dropped balls. And Rodney Harrison wasn't playing either. But its ok the Colts were without Marvin on Sunday so its a moral victory... I hope we play the Colts again in January with Marvin in the game because we all know (03 & 04 Playoffs) that it didn't matter.

Hey slick - read the thread, it has been fans of other teams who has brought this up. Reading is good, try it.



I also love how Colts fans can talk up their physical defense. That you are Colts, very physical and have a great safety in Sanders. Pats were a real physical team a few years ago and then the Colts front office complained to the league and got their way.

So just because the Colts had the league look into how the secondary should be able to play WRs, the Colts fans shouldn't be able to be a tiny bit happy about having a more physical defense

You do realize that the rule change applies to every team in the league don't you?

:lol 2007 Pats offense should be thanking the Colts with the rule change.




Rewind to 2006 and we have a sissy Pat Rule and some awful pass interfearance calls and we have your 2006 AFC Champions. I thought for a moment I was right back on my couch in January with the calls this past Sunday.

You got your Superbowl, yet I feel like there is still some insecurities from you Indy fans. Maybe its because they know we have 3 Superbowls and have the greatest QB that has ever lived playing in Foxboro.

I can go on, but I think I'll sit back relax and watch my Patriots Superbowl DVDS and 21 game winning streak dvd. Actually I think I'll watch Pittsburgh disrespectfully run up the score on the Ravens (Real Classy) I can't wait to hear Mark Sclereth comment on this one later. Didn't he play for the Bronco's who broke the salary cap rules?

By the way Mangini should spend less time on the tanning bed and more time breaking down game film. If its too much for him maybe he should go back to being the DB's coach.

You epitomize why so many can't stand some Pats fans on here :lol I like how you wrongly accuse Colts fans of whining yet you are the one bitching (whining) about the refs.

BTW: I like many Pats fans.

[SoRight24]

I love how the Colts fans can wine and give excuses that the Colts weren't at full strength without Marvin Harrison and their other no name players, however, they fail to realize that last year in the AFC Championship game in the 4th qtr The Patriots were without Colvin, Seymour and had Brady throwing passes to Caldwell who dropped balls. And Rodney Harrison wasn't playing either. But its ok the Colts were without Marvin on Sunday so its a moral victory... I hope we play the Colts again in January with Marvin in the game because we all know (03 & 04 Playoffs) that it didn't matter.

I also love how Colts fans can talk up their physical defense. That you are Colts, very physical and have a great safety in Sanders. Pats were a real physical team a few years ago and then the Colts front office complained to the league and got their way.

Rewind to 2006 and we have a sissy Pat Rule and some awful pass interfearance calls and we have your 2006 AFC Champions. I thought for a moment I was right back on my couch in January with the calls this past Sunday.

You got your Superbowl, yet I feel like there is still some insecurities from you Indy fans. Maybe its because they know we have 3 Superbowls and have the greatest QB that has ever lived playing in Foxboro.

I can go on, but I think I'll sit back relax and watch my Patriots Superbowl DVDS and 21 game winning streak dvd. Actually I think I'll watch Pittsburgh disrespectfully run up the score on the Ravens (Real Classy) I can't wait to hear Mark Sclereth comment on this one later. Didn't he play for the Bronco's who broke the salary cap rules?

By the way Mangini should spend less time on the tanning bed and more time breaking down game film. If its too much for him maybe he should go back to being the DB's coach.

And people wonder why everybody hates the Pats. :lol :lol :rolleyes

[dmbmuskie]

At the 11 minute mark the starters have started to come out.

EDIT: They're still throwing.:lol

[JonnyJoyRidin]

Was never disrespecting the Colts D. They have a great Defense and I said Sanders was a great safety!! Reading is good and you should try it yourself.

There were questionable calls and it was ridiculous. Its as frustrating as trying to watch a basketball game and putting up with a foul call every other possesion.

I'm speaking in general after listening to people call up sports radio with nonsense and I'm letting it out. I took the lost last year and was happy for Dungy to win the big one and moved on. I'm bitching about Colts fans bitching about being down a man or two and it got me on a roll. Nothing was directed to anyone in this thread specifically.

I actually like that everyone hates the Patriots now. Makes the season more fun.

But seriously... Mangini needs to lay off the rays!! He should dress up as Teddy Ruxpin next year for Halloween. Or a Umpa Loompa.

[dmbgodagirl41]

The Steelers have pulled their starters against Cleveland, Buffalo, and San Fran. Tonight might be different because of what Baltimore did to the Steelers last year. Pats fans can get bent about it, but there is a big difference between what the Steelers are doing tonight and what the Pats did against the 'Skins.

I'm betting the Pats don't see that difference.

The Patriots keep the starters in until the end because they are 1. going for an undefeated record, and well, the Steelers can't say the same, and 2. they had to prepare to play all 4 quarters up to this point because of the indy game. Can you imagine how horrible it could have been if Tommy only played 3 quarters? Also, Tom Brady was taken out when the score was run up against Miami, but Cassel allowed 3 TDs, so he was put back in. Also, Brady was pulled at the end of the Washington game....

...and Ben was pulled because he has a hip injury, not because the score is so crazy and they are classy.

People seem to forget that Brady hasn't played all the way to the end of the game. Through the 4th? yes. The whole game? no.

[dmbmuskie]

The Patriots keep the starters in until the end because they are 1. going for an undefeated record, and well, the Steelers can't say the same, and 2. they had to prepare to play all 4 quarters up to this point because of the indy game. Can you imagine how horrible it could have been if Tommy only played 3 quarters? Also, Tom Brady was taken out when the score was run up against Miami, but Cassel allowed 3 TDs, so he was put back in. Also, Brady was pulled at the end of the Washington game....

...and Ben was pulled because he has a hip injury, not because the score is so crazy and they are classy.

People seem to forget that Brady hasn't played all the way to the end of the game. Through the 4th? yes. The whole game? no.


You've got the company line down very well. I know I'm not ever going to convince you that you're wrong, so I'm not even going to try.

The difference between the situations is crystal clear to everyone except Pats fans.

[dmbmuskie]

Was never disrespecting the Colts D. They have a great Defense and I said Sanders was a great safety!! Reading is good and you should try it yourself.

There were questionable calls and it was ridiculous. Its as frustrating as trying to watch a basketball game and putting up with a foul call every other possesion.

I'm speaking in general after listening to people call up sports radio with nonsense and I'm letting it out. I took the lost last year and was happy for Dungy to win the big one and moved on. I'm bitching about Colts fans bitching about being down a man or two and it got me on a roll. Nothing was directed to anyone in this thread specifically.

I actually like that everyone hates the Patriots now. Makes the season more fun.

But seriously... Mangini needs to lay off the rays!! He should dress up as Teddy Ruxpin next year for Halloween. Or a Umpa Loompa.

Amen

[dmbhoosier21]

You've got the company line down very well. I know I'm not ever going to convince you that you're wrong, so I'm not even going to try.

The difference between the situations is crystal clear to everyone except Pats fans.

:thumbsup

:lol

[dmbhoosier21]

Was never disrespecting the Colts D. They have a great Defense and I said Sanders was a great safety!! Reading is good and you should try it yourself.


Why what did I miss?

[SoRight24]

Was never disrespecting the Colts D. They have a great Defense and I said Sanders was a great safety!! Reading is good and you should try it yourself.

There were questionable calls and it was ridiculous. Its as frustrating as trying to watch a basketball game and putting up with a foul call every other possesion.

I'm speaking in general after listening to people call up sports radio with nonsense and I'm letting it out. I took the lost last year and was happy for Dungy to win the big one and moved on. I'm bitching about Colts fans bitching about being down a man or two and it got me on a roll. Nothing was directed to anyone in this thread specifically.

I actually like that everyone hates the Patriots now. Makes the season more fun.

But seriously... Mangini needs to lay off the rays!! He should dress up as Teddy Ruxpin next year for Halloween. Or a Umpa Loompa.

:lol :lol

I'm a Jets fan, and I found that hilarious.

[dmbgodagirl41]

You've got the company line down very well. I know I'm not ever going to convince you that you're wrong, so I'm not even going to try.

The difference between the situations is crystal clear to everyone except Pats fans.

But you have to see the blatant discrepancy (spelling?) here. You claim that Benny boy is classy and came off the field because of the score. No, he was injured, and he came off the field....it was just lucky that he had an amazing 1st half and it didn't matter as much.

You think that if he hadn't hurt his hip, he would have come off the field? ummm....???

[JonnyJoyRidin]

Sorry about Big Ben Jason! Really does suck. Steelers will be the team to beat us if we are to loose this year.

[JonnyJoyRidin]

:lol :lol

I'm a Jets fan, and I found that hilarious.

I find it interesting that you are all Boston besides the Jets and I'm all NY besides the Pats.

[SoRight24]

I find it interesting that you are all Boston besides the Jets and I'm all NY besides the Pats.

Believe me I catch a lot of shit for it. :lol

I'm sure you do as well. :thumbsup

[dmbmuskie]

I know most people probably turned the game off, but Ben went back in the game. They took the starters out after Ben went baci in the game I think it was Ben's typical drama queen routine, and that he'll be fine. I don't even think he would have stayed down if the game was in jeopardy.

[dmbhoosier21]

I know most people probably turned the game off, but Ben went back in the game. I think it was Ben's typical drama queen routine.

That was dumb.

[Evans]

Is this what happens when the Colts lose? Their fans turn into a bunch of whining pussies? I'm no Pats fan, but GET OVER IT.

[JonnyJoyRidin]

Believe me I catch a lot of shit for it. :lol

I'm sure you do as well. :thumbsup

Of course! I put a garbage bag over my head when I go to Knicks games and I think Im going to accept the fact the Mets are a new cursed franchise.

I know most people probably turned the game off, but Ben went back in the game. They took the starters out after Ben went baci in the game I think it was Ben's typical drama queen routine, and that he'll be fine. I don't even think he would have stayed down if the game was in jeopardy.

Could be that he suffers the same problem Cole Trickle had rounding turn 5 in Days of Thunder after his crash.

[dmbmuskie]

Could be that he suffers the same problem Cole Trickle had rounding turn 5 in Days of Thunder after his crash.

He's always "hurt", as long as he isn't injured things are okay.

[dmbhoosier21]

Is this what happens when the Colts lose? Their fans turn into a bunch of whining pussies? I'm no Pats fan, but GET OVER IT.


:lol Again. Read the thread before accusing fans of whining.

It has been everyone but Colts fans who have brought up the injuries to the Colts.

Pats fans are the ones who brought up the refs in the game and that there is a conspiracy against the Pats &/or conspiracy for the Colts (i wish)

Can you point out any example of "whining" by a Colts fan regarding yesterday's game.

Yikes - illiteracy is indeed a growing epidemic in our society. :BANG

[dmbgodagirl41]

To be fair, the Colts fans aren't really whining. Its more non-colts fans/Patriots haters that are doing the whining.

[JonnyJoyRidin]

Again. My comments were not directed to anyone or any specific message in this thread. I saw the thread and thought I would chime in a bit. Not sure how it is in Indiana, but here in NY there are a few sports talk shows that run around the clock and I heard MANY Colts fan call up and whine.

[dmbhoosier21]

Again. My comments were not directed to anyone or any specific message in this thread. I saw the thread and thought I would chime in a bit. Not sure how it is in Indiana, but here in NY there are a few sports talk shows that run around the clock and I heard MANY Colts fan call up and whine.

:lol My comments were not directed at you.

You're cool and all but sorry, but I do try to spread out my comments as best I can.

But to reply, believe it or not, one can be assured that whining is present in each and every fanbase.

[rickyh24]

:lol Again. Read the thread before accusing fans of whining.

It has been everyone but Colts fans who have brought up the injuries to the Colts.

Pats fans are the ones who brought up the refs in the game and that there is a conspiracy against the Pats &/or conspiracy for the Colts (i wish)

Can you point out any example of "whining" by a Colts fan regarding yesterday's game.

Yikes - illiteracy is indeed a growing epidemic in our society. :BANG



who the hell said this??? i haven't seen anyone say this but the non-pats fans.

[dmbhoosier21]

who the hell said this??? i haven't seen anyone say this but the non-pats fans.

I wasn't sure about this either and did not feel like searching through the thread hence my placement of "&/or" cus' I'm almost positive that there has been implication by some Pats fans that there is some underground conspiracy by the league to ensure a Colts victory througout the season - Colts fans can only wish.

[dmbhoosier21]

To get us back into the spirit of the thread ......... Don Shula

"Don Shula, the coach of the only perfect season in NFL history, believes the Patriots (http://www.fannation.com/tags/show_tag/17) have a legitimate shot at running the table and joining his '72 Dolphins in going undefeated in the regular season and playoffs. But if they can pull it off, Shula insists the NFL needs to place an asterisk next to the Patriots (http://www.fannation.com/tags/show_tag/17) in the record books because Bill Belichick got caught cheating in the Spygate scandal. Shula admires the Patriots (http://www.fannation.com/tags/show_tag/17)' team, but then, without being asked, he said Spygate negatively impacts the way they should be perceived this season. "The Spygate thing has diminished what they've accomplished. You would hate to have that attached to your accomplishments. They've got it," Shula told the Daily News. "Belichick was fined $500,000, the team was fined $250,00 and they lost a first-round draft choice. That tells you the seriousness or significance of what they found."
-NY Daily Times


I'm thinkin' he doesn't want his perfect season matched.

[SoRight24]

To get us back into the spirit of the thread ......... Don Shula

"Don Shula, the coach of the only perfect season in NFL history, believes the Patriots (http://www.fannation.com/tags/show_tag/17) have a legitimate shot at running the table and joining his '72 Dolphins in going undefeated in the regular season and playoffs. But if they can pull it off, Shula insists the NFL needs to place an asterisk next to the Patriots (http://www.fannation.com/tags/show_tag/17) in the record books because Bill Belichick got caught cheating in the Spygate scandal. Shula admires the Patriots (http://www.fannation.com/tags/show_tag/17)' team, but then, without being asked, he said Spygate negatively impacts the way they should be perceived this season. "The Spygate thing has diminished what they've accomplished. You would hate to have that attached to your accomplishments. They've got it," Shula told the Daily News. "Belichick was fined $500,000, the team was fined $250,00 and they lost a first-round draft choice. That tells you the seriousness or significance of what they found."
-NY Daily Times


I'm thinkin' he doesn't want his perfect season matched.



That's pretty much just sour grapes on his part.

I think that's ridiculous.

[dmbhoosier21]

That's pretty much just sour grapes on his part.

I think that's ridiculous.

I agree.

[dmbmuskie]

He doesn't want to have his perfect season be matched, but the Pats did cheat. I think it effects what they did in the past, rather than what they have done this year.

[UNC41]

To get us back into the spirit of the thread ......... Don Shula

"Don Shula, the coach of the only perfect season in NFL history, believes the Patriots (http://www.fannation.com/tags/show_tag/17) have a legitimate shot at running the table and joining his '72 Dolphins in going undefeated in the regular season and playoffs. But if they can pull it off, Shula insists the NFL needs to place an asterisk next to the Patriots (http://www.fannation.com/tags/show_tag/17) in the record books because Bill Belichick got caught cheating in the Spygate scandal. Shula admires the Patriots (http://www.fannation.com/tags/show_tag/17)' team, but then, without being asked, he said Spygate negatively impacts the way they should be perceived this season. "The Spygate thing has diminished what they've accomplished. You would hate to have that attached to your accomplishments. They've got it," Shula told the Daily News. "Belichick was fined $500,000, the team was fined $250,00 and they lost a first-round draft choice. That tells you the seriousness or significance of what they found."
-NY Daily Times


I'm thinkin' he doesn't want his perfect season matched.



I'm a Dolphins fan and a huge Shula guy, but he needs to shut it. This just shows you how scared he is the Pats are going to go undefeated.

[dmbhoosier21]

He doesn't want to have his perfect season be matched, but the Pats did cheat. I think it effects what they did in the past, rather than what they have done this year.

Definitely. They cheated and it did affect past season(s) - to what extent, we will never know.

But to imply that the Pats' achievements so far this year isn't on their own merits is preposterous.

If anything, I think Congress should look into the league cus' it's quite obvious to everyone (everyone meaning Pats fans) that the league is in cahoots with the Colts. If it wasn't for those meddling Pats fans, we would have gotten away with it too (Scooby Doo allusion :D)

[dmbmuskie]

What cracks me up about Pats fans it that they've ignored the most blatant "The refs want the Colts to win" moment ever.

Polamalu's interception being overturned after 10 minutes in the replay hood is the weirdest ref related thing I've ever seen. Then, of course, they put a greased ball in play so Bettis would fumble. That same ball got Tony Romo last year.

[SoRight24]

What cracks me up about Pats fans it that they've ignored the most blatant "The refs want the Colts to win" moment ever.

Polamalu's interception being overturned after 10 minutes in the replay hood is the weirdest ref related thing I've ever seen. Then, of course, they put a greased ball in play so Bettis would fumble. That same ball got Tony Romo last year.

:lol :lol

:thumbsup

[jiggajm18]

What cracks me up about Pats fans it that they've ignored the most blatant "The refs want the Colts to win" moment ever.

Polamalu's interception being overturned after 10 minutes in the replay hood is the weirdest ref related thing I've ever seen. Then, of course, they put a greased ball in play so Bettis would fumble. That same ball got Tony Romo last year.

i dunno, the colts have gotten some VERY questionable calls go their way the last 2 times these teams have played. that roughing the passer with 2 minutes to go in the AFC championship game.....some of those pass interference calls this past week.

just a thought, thats all.

[dmbgodagirl41]

All I'm going to say is the Patriots are the best in the NFL currently.

Get over it.

[dmbmuskie]

i dunno, the colts have gotten some VERY questionable calls go their way the last 2 times these teams have played. that roughing the passer with 2 minutes to go in the AFC championship game.....some of those pass interference calls this past week.

just a thought, thats all.

The NFL appoligized because the call against the Steelers was so blatantly wrong.

People are arguing judgement calls, and most people don't even know what they are seeing. There was an article last year in The Sporting News where they presented a group of fans with video of questionable calls, and the fans were always wrong. The head of officials then came in and explained the calls to them, and they still messed up similar calls the next time around.

Sometimes the refs make mistakes, but often TV completely misses the penalty, which causes people to go nuts.

Pats fans obviously forget the tuck rule call, which launched them to where they are now.

[jiggajm18]

All I'm going to say is the Patriots are the best in the NFL currently.

Get over it.

i don't see how anyone can legitimately argue against that.

[SoRight24]

The NFL appoligized because the call against the Steelers was so blatantly wrong.

People are arguing judgement calls, and most people don't even know what they are seeing. There was an article last year in The Sporting News where they presented a group of fans with video of questionable calls, and the fans were always wrong. The head of officials then came in and explained the calls to them, and they still messed up similar calls the next time around.

Sometimes the refs make mistakes, but often TV completely misses the penalty, which causes people to go nuts.

Pats fans obviously forget the tuck rule call, which launched them to where they are now.

They sure are a gracious bunch. :rolleyes

[SoRight24]

i don't see how anyone can legitimately argue against that.

Nobody is arguing against that, that's what Patriots fans don't seem to get.

They think everyone is out to get them.

[jiggajm18]

The NFL appoligized because the call against the Steelers was so blatantly wrong.

People are arguing judgement calls, and most people don't even know what they are seeing. There was an article last year in The Sporting News where they presented a group of fans with video of questionable calls, and the fans were always wrong. The head of officials then came in and explained the calls to them, and they still messed up similar calls the next time around.

Sometimes the refs make mistakes, but often TV completely misses the penalty, which causes people to go nuts.

Pats fans obviously forget the tuck rule call, which launched them to where they are now.

i agree with all of this. and i'm not even a pats or colts fan. nor do i hate either of them. i respect them both. however, when looking at some of those calls the past few years, i think the NFL wants certain teams to win. i'm not saying the games are fixed. but i am not eliminating the thought that refs play favorites to attempt to influence games.

[cbotnyse]

All I'm going to say is the Patriots are the best in the NFL currently.

Get over it.They indeed are the best in the NFL, no question about it, and have a good chance to go undefeated. It has been fun to bash the Pats this year because the fans can get so defensive (not you so much Kate, you've been good :)), and when your at the top people are gonna hate. I am much more annoyed with Red Sox Nation :rolleyes I'm glad thats over with for now.

[SoRight24]

All I'm going to say is the Patriots are the best in the NFL currently.

Get over it.

There is nothing to get over, nobody is mad because the Pats are good.

Maybe Pats fans need to get over their superiority.

[thebestauntie]

The NFL appoligized because the call against the Steelers was so blatantly wrong.

People are arguing judgement calls, and most people don't even know what they are seeing. There was an article last year in The Sporting News where they presented a group of fans with video of questionable calls, and the fans were always wrong. The head of officials then came in and explained the calls to them, and they still messed up similar calls the next time around.

Sometimes the refs make mistakes, but often TV completely misses the penalty, which causes people to go nuts.

Pats fans obviously forget the tuck rule call, which launched them to where they are now.
People get things wrong in real life all the time, they are just lucky that it's not being filmed for the entire world to see. It's part of the game, the human element. I personally do not think that the refs are out to get the Pats. I believe what happens in the NFL is that the refs do get tougher on the better teams, but again, that's just part of the game. Every fan of every really good team has thought that the refs are out to get them. It's like the opposite of what happens in baseball. A "proven" pitcher will get more close strike calls his way than a younger "unproven" pitcher will. The better you are the more calls go you way, in baseball. Football I think is the opposite. The refs watch you closer, etc, so they see more. Just my opinion. Again though, it's just part of the game. Live with it.

[dmbmuskie]

The "good" Steelers have been the most impressive team in the NFL this year, but the "bad" Steelers managed to lose 2 games.

The Steelers are like the old Pats, with a little more star power, who just beat the shit out of people with a bunch of players only hardcore football people know about.

The Pats are better because they've yet to lose, but the gap is very very small.

[jiggajm18]

The "good" Steelers have been the most impressive team in the NFL this year, but the "bad" Steelers managed to lose 2 games.

The Steelers are like the old Pats, with a little more star power, who just beat the shit out of people with a bunch of players only hardcore football people know about.

The Pats are better because they've yet to lose, but the gap is very very small.

:thumbsdow

[UNC41]

Nobody is arguing against that, that's what Patriots fans don't seem to get.

They think everyone is out to get them.

Ding, ding, ding ....

[dmbgodagirl41]

There is nothing to get over, nobody is mad because the Pats are good.

Maybe Pats fans need to get over their superiority.

Then, what's the need for this thread? Obviously there's some sort of animosity/jealousy/disagreement/need for bashing a team...?

[dmbgodagirl41]

Yes, because beating the Ravens is really hard.

[dmbhoosier21]

Then, what's the need for this thread? Obviously there's some sort of animosity/jealousy/disagreement/need for bashing a team...?

B/C it's funny? ;)

And there is an obvious animosity towards the Pats - again it just comes with having such a high level of consistent success - this sort of thing is not isolated with the Pats :lol

Plus, the Pats really haven't done themselves a favor with Spy-gate and the whole running up the score and BB being an ass, etc....

[dmbmuskie]

Yes, because beating the Ravens is really hard.

If the Pats beat the Ravens by 31 Pats fans would be saying, "OMG, we destroyed the best defense ever. We cannot be stopped."

[dmbmuskie]

B/C it's funny? ;)

And there is an obvious animosity towards the Pats - again it just comes with having such a high level of consistent success - this sort of thing is not isolated with the Pats :lol

Plus, the Pats really haven't done themselves a favor with Spy-gate and the whole running up the score and BB being an ass, etc....

Don't forget about Rodney H(GH)arrison.

[dmbhoosier21]

As for the Steelers, a team with that kind of physical defense and a more than capable offense has more than a fair shot in the playoffs

Indy and NE would be shooting themselves in the foot if they think they can just walk over the Steelers - Colts know a thing or two about that actually.

[SoRight24]

Then, what's the need for this thread? Obviously there's some sort of animosity/jealousy/disagreement/need for bashing a team...?

Because they're a bunch of classless people.

How many times has everyone had to describe this?

It's NOT because we are jealous of your great team. The Colts are good, the Steelers are good, the Cowboys are good, the Packers are good, yet they don't have a thread because they aren't a bunch of pricks.

[SoRight24]

If the Pats beat the Ravens by 31 Pats fans would be saying, "OMG, we destroyed the best defense ever. We cannot be stopped."

Exactly, the hypocrisy is amazing....

[dmbmuskie]

As for the Steelers, a team with that kind of physical defense and a more than capable offense has more than a fair shot in the playoffs

Indy and NE would be shooting themselves in the foot if they think they can just walk over the Steelers - Colts know a thing or two about that actually.

It's all about Ben. When he plays elite the Steelers are elite.

[dre2142]

Because they're a bunch of classless people.

How many times has everyone had to describe this?

It's NOT because we are jealous of your great team. The Colts are good, the Steelers are good, the Cowboys are good, the Packers are good, yet they don't have a thread because they aren't a bunch of pricks.


In your opinion.

[UNC41]

Then, what's the need for this thread? Obviously there's some sort of animosity/jealousy/disagreement/need for bashing a team...?

It has nothing to do with their success on the field. If it did, we'd have Bash the Red Sox, Bash the Spurs, Bash the Gators, etc. threads.

[SoRight24]

In your opinion.

In lots of peoples opinion.

[rickyh24]

so theres some bitching going on in here??? weird....

[dmbgodagirl41]

If the Pats beat the Ravens by 31 Pats fans would be saying, "OMG, we destroyed the best defense ever. We cannot be stopped."
The Ravens are not a good marker to see how good a team is. When the patriots beat them by 31+ (;)) in MNF in Baltimore I'll say the same: uhhh wow, that was "impressive"?

[dmbgodagirl41]

Because they're a bunch of classless people.

How many times has everyone had to describe this?

It's NOT because we are jealous of your great team. The Colts are good, the Steelers are good, the Cowboys are good, the Packers are good, yet they don't have a thread because they aren't a bunch of pricks.
So if the Jets were doing the same thing, being all class-less, you would start a "bash the Jets" thread?

Yeah okay.

[41ravens]

katie, this thread was started as a joke. i mentioned in the nfl thread how someone should make a "bash the pats" thread, that way we could keep it all contained in one thread and not clutter the nfl thread with all the nonsense. well, our good friend bo took it upon himself to actually make the thread. it's a joke. calm yourself.

[dmbgodagirl41]

katie, this thread was started as a joke. i mentioned in the nfl thread how someone should make a "bash the pats" thread, that way we could keep it all contained in one thread and not clutter the nfl thread with all the nonsense. well, our good friend bo took it upon himself to actually make the thread. it's a joke. calm yourself.

I'm calm, I just think that if people are going to say that Pats fans are contradicting themselves/hypocritical, then I should be able to say the same about other fans, no?

[JonnyJoyRidin]

Don't forget about Rodney H(GH)arrison.

Didn't 1 or 2 players admit to using steroids during the Title Town era in the 70's? I could be wrong, but, I thought I read that somewhere.

[SoRight24]

So if the Jets were doing the same thing, being all class-less, you would start a "bash the Jets" thread?

Yeah okay.

No, but I'm sure somebody else would.

And I'd certainly UNDERSTAND why it was started, because there would be good reason.

[DMBtheStoned]

cheaters!

[dmbgodagirl41]

If people think that 70% of the NFL doesn't use HGH, they have problems, and I am envious of their ignorance.

[Nick@Night]

Was it mentioned that Don Shula feels if the Pats go 16-0 it should be given an asterick due to spy-gate?

[rickyh24]

Was it mentioned that Don Shula feels if the Pats go 16-0 it should be given an asterick due to spy-gate?



yes..

[Nick@Night]

yes..
Ok, I wasn't going to backread.

[dmbmuskie]

Didn't 1 or 2 players admit to using steroids during the Title Town era in the 70's? I could be wrong, but, I thought I read that somewhere.

Blasphemy:lol

Umm...they never tested positive

[WastingTime]

i fucking hate the pats.. spygate just topped it all off.

and i'm really fucking sick of ESPN blowing tom brady. god, he's good but not thats good. I mean look at his WRs alone... put any decent QB in that postion and they'd be able to throw 30 tds too..

go to hell

[Fisherman]

As for the Steelers, a team with that kind of physical defense and a more than capable offense has more than a fair shot in the playoffs

Indy and NE would be shooting themselves in the foot if they think they can just walk over the Steelers - Colts know a thing or two about that actually.

The Steelers will be the only real threat to the Pats this regular season. I hope they give them some challenge. Of course, their schedule has been about as powder puff as possible aside from Tennessee. Good point

[WastingTime]

The Steelers will be the only real threat to the Pats this regular season. I hope they give them some challenge. Of course, their schedule has been about as powder puff as possible aside from Tennessee. Good point

I am a die hard Steelers fan.. and i will admit that we've had the easiest schedule in football. but hey i'm not complaining.

I am extremely confindent that we can beat the Pats, ben is playing the best he's have while in the NFL, i believe if you put him up against the pats he can beat them

[dmbmuskie]

Half the teams the Steelers played so far are at .500 or above. They've played an average schedule, but by no means have they played the worst schedule in football.

[iammine]

i fucking hate the pats.. spygate just topped it all off.

and i'm really fucking sick of ESPN blowing tom brady. god, he's good but not thats good. I mean look at his WRs alone... put any decent QB in that postion and they'd be able to throw 30 tds too..

go to hell

but look at what he was doing without that core of WRs. It's obviously every qb's wet dream to have stallworth, welker and moss as your top 3

but when caldwell, gafney, et. al are your core and they still came a half (albeit they collapsed, and didn't run the ball near enough in the second half) away from another superbowl, it's pretty damn good.


as for the shula comments, i'm confused. how does 'spygate' or whatever you want to call it affect this season?

the camera was taken away from the pats about 7 minutes into the FIRST game of the season.

how does that negate the next 15 7/8 games they still have to play?

[dmbgodagirl41]

Shula is the biggest effing hypocrite with the shit he's saying. Correct me if I'm wrong but was he or was he not found guilty of shady ass NFL business?
Dolphins:
Tampering in order to hire Mr. Shula
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Shula#Miami_Dolphins

Jets:
Tampering to hire Parcells (I believe the commissioner stepped in and required the jets to provide compensation before tampering was declared)
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=980CE4D9123DF932A35751C0A9619582 60&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=print

Steelers:
Member of the medical staff purchasing $160,000 in HGH.
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07060/765933-66.stm

49ers:
Salary Cap violations
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9B0DE6DC103EF933A1575BC0A9669C8B 63&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=print

Broncos:
Salary cap violations.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2004Sep17.html

Dallas:
Taped opposing teams signals.
http://www.bleacherreport.com/articles/2500-NFL-Philadelphia_Eagles-New_England_Patriots-Did_The_Rams_Panthers_and_Eagles_Steal_Patriot_Sig nals_to_keep_their_Super_Bowl_Losses_within_three_ Points_-290907\

[DMBtheStoned]

Cheaters!

[dmbgodagirl41]

Cheaters!

:lol my point was just to say that there pretty much isn't a single team in the NFL that hasn't done SOMETHING to "get that extra edge". To single the Patriots out as the first team to be caught cheating in the history of the game is ridiculous.

You don't see all those teams having to put a * next to their seasons. Shut up, Shula.

[dmbmuskie]

This thread makes me laugh.

It's like a political campaign.

You did this!
You did that!

[dmbgodagirl41]

This thread makes me laugh.

It's like a political campaign.

You did this!
You did that!

Why, cuz someone finally pointed out that the Patriots aren't the only team that "should" have a * in the record books? ;)

[Jimi's Thing]

The Patriots are the New York Yankees of the NFL.

[dmbgodagirl41]

The Patriots are the New York Yankees of the NFL.

Yeah, except for the part about paying their players shitloads and actually winning shit.

[BotheDMBFan]

Tom Brady has tested positive for steroids.

[Jimi's Thing]

Yeah, except for the part about paying their players shitloads and actually winning shit.

Actually, I was talking about the team being crowned the dubious "Biggest Douchebags in the league" year in and year out.

But thanks for playing...

[dmbgodagirl41]

Tom Brady has tested positive for steroids.
:lol yeah, at 6'4", 220 lbs, he's a prime candidate for HGH.
Actually, I was talking about the team being crowned the dubious "Biggest Douchebags in the league" year in and year out.

But thanks for playing...

Actually "Biggest Douchebags in the MLB" would go to the Boston Red Sox. And that means a lot coming from me.

So thank YOU for playing.

[Jimi's Thing]

Actually "Biggest Douchebags in the MLB" would go to the Boston Red Sox. And that means a lot coming from me.

So thank YOU for playing.

Because opting out of your contract when you're the highest paid player in the league and firing a manager that has gotten you to the playoffs every season since 1996 aren't douche moves at all.

[BotheDMBFan]

:lol yeah, at 6'4", 220 lbs, he's a prime candidate for HGH.

Eh, there have been PLENTY of people that fit that exact build that have used.

[pauly8509]

Well, it's nice to hear a Red Sox fan talk about how much douchebaggery goes on over there. Ever since Johnny Damon entered the scene with his beard, and the "bloody" sock thingy, and all the rest. They practically own ESPN during baseball season via the jewish guy with the combover and the baseball reporter with yellow teeth. Both were "shocked" in '05 when Chicago embarassed them. Berman calls games and Gammons reports on hot stove issues as fans and not as impartial sportscasters like they should.

My favorite line from Berman that year was when the final out of the ALDS was recorded, it was as if he was expecting some more magic from the previous season to happen and I loved the pain in his voice, "AND THE RED SOX failll to repeat..."

Pure Beauty.

EDIT: Sorry for the hijack.

[SoRight24]

This just in:

Jim Kelly picks the Bills to beat the Pats. :lol

[CUTiger41]

You don't see all those teams having to put a * next to their seasons. Shut up, Shula.

Nor do you see those teams losing a first round pick and being fined $750,000 for their "offenses". :shrug

[dmbgodagirl41]

Nor do you see those teams losing a first round pick and being fined $750,000 for their "offenses". :shrug

Shula caused a first round draft pick to go to the Colts. The 750K was just a technicality, to be honest. To the Patriots, who cares, that's nothing.

[dmbgodagirl41]

Well, it's nice to hear a Red Sox fan talk about how much douchebaggery goes on over there. Ever since Johnny Damon entered the scene with his beard, and the "bloody" sock thingy, and all the rest. They practically own ESPN during baseball season via the jewish guy with the combover and the baseball reporter with yellow teeth. Both were "shocked" in '05 when Chicago embarassed them. Berman calls games and Gammons reports on hot stove issues as fans and not as impartial sportscasters like they should.

My favorite line from Berman that year was when the final out of the ALDS was recorded, it was as if he was expecting some more magic from the previous season to happen and I loved the pain in his voice, "AND THE RED SOX failll to repeat..."

Pure Beauty.

EDIT: Sorry for the hijack.
I mean, I love the Red Sox. I'm a huge asshole NE/Boston Fan (which is pretty apparent in this thread).......but to go around saying that the Sox/their fans aren't douchebagss, well that's just stupid.

The difference is that we don't care if others see us as douchebags/our players that way. Hey, it fits....there ARE other teams in MLB, other than the Yankees and the Sox, so I definitely feel for those other fans who constantly have to hear Yanks/Sox fellation from every known media outlet:shrug

[secretlysmiling]

The Patriots are the New York Yankees of the NFL.

For real.

I hate the Yankees

[secretlysmiling]

And everyone's a douchebag from time to time.

[CUTiger41]

Shula caused a first round draft pick to go to the Colts. The 750K was just a technicality, to be honest. To the Patriots, who cares, that's nothing.

The Pats still cheated no matter what other NFL teams did in the past. Just because other teams "cheated" doesn't mean it's ok. I realize you're the biggest homer in the world of sports but you gotta at least understand that.

I don't think there should be a * at year end but Spygate will still tarnish whatever the Pats may accomplish this year.

[rickyh24]

The Pats still cheated no matter what other NFL teams did in the past. Just because other teams "cheated" doesn't mean it's ok. I realize you're the biggest homer in the world of sports but you gotta at least understand that.

I don't think there should be a * at year end but Spygate will still tarnish whatever the Pats may accomplish this year.

it didn't even give them an advantage this year, at all.

[CUTiger41]

it didn't even give them an advantage this year, at all.

I never said it did but there's that saying, "Once a cheater, always a cheater."

[jimibadfish]

Tom Brady overdresses at post-game press conferences.

That's all I can bash the Pats about.

[NastyMan]

Well, it's nice to hear a Red Sox fan talk about how much douchebaggery goes on over there. Ever since Johnny Damon entered the scene with his beard, and the "bloody" sock thingy, and all the rest. They practically own ESPN during baseball season via the jewish guy with the combover and the baseball reporter with yellow teeth. Both were "shocked" in '05 when Chicago embarassed them. Berman calls games and Gammons reports on hot stove issues as fans and not as impartial sportscasters like they should.

My favorite line from Berman that year was when the final out of the ALDS was recorded, it was as if he was expecting some more magic from the previous season to happen and I loved the pain in his voice, "AND THE RED SOX failll to repeat..."

Pure Beauty.

EDIT: Sorry for the hijack.

This happens all the time.

Buck and McCarver do the Yankees as though they are fans...

Get over it. I guess it's only an issue when a team does it for a team you don't like huh?

[NastyMan]

Tom Brady overdresses at post-game press conferences.

That's all I can bash the Pats about.


This I agree with.


But what's the difference between that, and Mike Nolan or Jack Del Rio wearing a fucking suit to the game? Both are ridiculous IMO, but people fail to point out anyone but the Patriots side of it...

[NastyMan]

I never said it did but there's that saying, "Once a cheater, always a cheater."

Then prove it.

Otherwise, you can't put an asterisk on it IMO.

They havent cheated since the Jets game in week 1 in the first half as far as you know, so fo ryou to put an asterisk on this season even though there are no more signs of cheating just tells me you are biased against New England...

[SoRight24]

This I agree with.


But what's the difference between that, and Mike Nolan or Jack Del Rio wearing a fucking suit to the game? Both are ridiculous IMO, but people fail to point out anyone but the Patriots side of it...

All coaches used to wear suits, they are doing it as kind of a classic look.

I don't see anything wrong with it.

[CUTiger41]

Then prove it.

Otherwise, you can't put an asterisk on it IMO.

They havent cheated since the Jets game in week 1 in the first half as far as you know, so fo ryou to put an asterisk on this season even though there are no more signs of cheating just tells me you are biased against New England...

I don't think there should be a * at year end but Spygate will still tarnish whatever the Pats may accomplish this year.

Learn to read.

[jimibadfish]

This I agree with.


But what's the difference between that, and Mike Nolan or Jack Del Rio wearing a fucking suit to the game? Both are ridiculous IMO, but people fail to point out anyone but the Patriots side of it...

It was a light-hearted comment.

The coaches should be able to wear a suit if they want. It's professional. Belichek looks like a fucking beggar when he goes to work. That's ridiculous.

[CUTiger41]

Belicheat looks like a fucking beggar when he goes to work. That's ridiculous.

:thumbsup and corrected for truth.

[Trippin4136]

Tom Brady overdresses at post-game press conferences.

That's all I can bash the Pats about.

If I had his money, I'd want to look good too.

No one ever complained when Michael Jordan would step into a press conference in a $10,000 suit

[jimibadfish]

If I had his money, I'd want to look good too.

No one ever complained when Michael Jordan would step into a press conference in a $10,000 suit

But Michael Jordan isn't an overrated, cocky, way-to-good-looking, ass clown.:)

[Trippin4136]

I don't know about overrated, but the rest I'll agree with :lol

[NastyMan]

All coaches used to wear suits, they are doing it as kind of a classic look.

I don't see anything wrong with it.

No, no you missed my point. I don't think there is anything wrong with it, I just think if you are going to critique Tom Brady for dressing nice for the public eye, then criticize everyone..

[fuvonks]

If I had his money, I'd want to look good too.

No one ever complained when Michael Jordan would step into a press conference in a $10,000 suit

If I had his girlfriend, i would want to look good too. I bet she dresses him.

[NastyMan]

Learn to read.

My mistake, but way to over react chief. :thumbsup :lol


And instead of me saying there shouldnt be an asterisk at the end of this year, I will change it to nothing should be tarnished.

:rolleyes

[jimibadfish]

No, no you missed my point. I don't think there is anything wrong with it, I just think if you are going to critique Tom Brady for dressing nice for the public eye, then criticize everyone..

It was a joke, man.

[NastyMan]

:thumbsup and corrected for truth.

Bitterness.

[NastyMan]

If I had his money, I'd want to look good too.

No one ever complained when Michael Jordan would step into a press conference in a $10,000 suit

Exactly, but since it's the Patriots, people look for anything they can find to bitch about.

It was already pathetic enough for people to complain about BB wears to games, and now it's about what Brady wears after the game?

My goodness, some people need to get a life.

[Trippin4136]

Exactly, but since it's the Patriots, people look for anything they can find to bitch about.

It was already pathetic enough for people to complain about BB wears to games, and now it's about what Brady wears after the game?

My goodness, some people need to get a life.

I don't really care about Belicheck's wardrobe, but come on, he's the head coach of an NFL team. Can't he do a little better than a cut off hoodie and a $30 pair of dockers? :lol

I just think it's funny. Maybe he likes going for that Sith lord look.

[dmbgodagirl41]

The Pats still cheated no matter what other NFL teams did in the past. Just because other teams "cheated" doesn't mean it's ok. I realize you're the biggest homer in the world of sports but you gotta at least understand that.

I don't think there should be a * at year end but Spygate will still tarnish whatever the Pats may accomplish this year.

I'm the biggest homer? Are you serious? All I'm saying is that if the NFL feels the need to put the * at the end, then they need to go back and do it to everyone else who has.....for consistency.

I wasn't bringing up the past to make an excuse, I was just making the point that the Patriots are not the first to do shady stuff, nor will they be the last.

[jiggajm18]

:lol yeah, at 6'4", 220 lbs, he's a prime candidate for HGH.


Actually "Biggest Douchebags in the MLB" would go to the Boston Red Sox. And that means a lot coming from me.

So thank YOU for playing.

:thumbsup

[jimibadfish]

Exactly, but since it's the Patriots, people look for anything they can find to bitch about.

It was already pathetic enough for people to complain about BB wears to games, and now it's about what Brady wears after the game?

My goodness, some people need to get a life.

I also said in the same post that that was all I had to bash the Pats about. It was obviously a light-hearted, jovial post. As someone else said, learn to read.;)

[jimibadfish]

I'm the biggest homer? Are you serious? All I'm saying is that if the NFL feels the need to put the * at the end, then they need to go back and do it to everyone else who has.....for consistency.

I wasn't bringing up the past to make an excuse, I was just making the point that the Patriots are not the first to do shady stuff, nor will they be the last.

They got caught because a former coach knew what they were doing and ratted them out. Teams are always trying to get a leg-up. Mangini just got beat-down again by the Pats and was looking for some revenge imo.

[CUTiger41]

My mistake, but way to over react chief. :thumbsup :lol


And instead of me saying there shouldnt be an asterisk at the end of this year, I will change it to nothing should be tarnished.

:rolleyes

:rolleyes Right, I was totally over-reacting. I was just pointing out that you should read before you speak.

Think what you want but the outcome, whatever it may be, will be tarnished. It has put a mark on this season. If they do go undefeated and years down the road when people recall the 2007 Pats season, Spygate and (HG)Harrison will be brought up in every conversation and debate. There is no escaping that. People will not look back and say, "Those Pats were an all round classy and respectable team."

[fuvonks]

I don't really care about Belicheck's wardrobe, but come on, he's the head coach of an NFL team. Can't he do a little better than a cut off hoodie and a $30 pair of dockers? :lol

I just think it's funny. Maybe he likes going for that Sith lord look.

That Hoodie out sells everything and even Brady's Jersey @ the Patriots Pro Shop. I don't think you can get it pre-cut @ the elbows though

[CUTiger41]

I'm the biggest homer? Are you serious? .

Yes and yes. Just take a step back and look at yourself. Not saying it's a bad thing, it's just a blinder.

All I'm saying is that if the NFL feels the need to put the * at the end, then they need to go back and do it to everyone else who has.....for consistency.

Who in the NFL feels the need to put up the *? As stated previously, what happened in Game 1 has no real effect on the remaining season other than that hovering cloud of suspicion. Lord knows, they wouldn't be dumb enough to get caught twice so i'm sure they're more cautious about it now - it being cheating.

[CUTiger41]

That Hoodie out sells everything and even Brady's Jersey @ the Patriots Pro Shop. I don't think you can get it pre-cut @ the elbows though

So there are a lot of people in beantown who look like beggars?

[fuvonks]

So there are a lot of people in beantown who look like beggars?

No, we have your typical beggars. I assume most people who buy them do not cut them at the elbows. Could be a awesome Halloween costume though?

[dmbgodagirl41]

They got caught because a former coach knew what they were doing and ratted them out. Teams are always trying to get a leg-up. Mangini just got beat-down again by the Pats and was looking for some revenge imo.

Exactly.

The Pats aren't the only team that cheats, it might just be that your team really sucks.

[dmbgodagirl41]

So there are a lot of people in beantown who look like beggars?

Beantown style is generally about 1. warmth, 2. comfort and 3. finding that balace of bundling up without sweating your ass off.

Good example: wearing long sleeve tee shirts with a scarf and mittens. Sometimes a coat is too sweat-worthy.

Cut off hoodies are popular up there for more reasons than "looking like belichick". Kids in my HS used to cut the sleeves 1/2 way off their sweatshirts all the time.

[SoRight24]

Exactly.

The Pats aren't the only team that cheats, it might just be that your team really sucks.

So you're pissed at other people for pointing out that your team cheated?

[CUTiger41]

Beantown style is generally about 1. warmth, 2. comfort and 3. finding that balace of bundling up without sweating your ass off.

Good example: wearing long sleeve tee shirts with a scarf and mittens. Sometimes a coat is too sweat-worthy.

Cut off hoodies are popular up there for more reasons than "looking like belichick". Kids in my HS used to cut the sleeves 1/2 way off their sweatshirts all the time.

By the way, when are you going to update your blog? I'm dying to hear what you have to say. You could do an article on the douchbagery style that is Beantown and the many reasons why cutoff hoddies are so popular. I mean, just for fun.

[rickyh24]

:lol this thread makes me laugh


9-0 is all i have to say

[CUTiger41]

:lol this thread makes me laugh


9-0 is all i have to say

I will say that those Celt's looked fucking unstoppable last night. :thumbsup

[rickyh24]

I will say that those Celt's looked fucking unstoppable last night. :thumbsup



Denver plays the worst D i have ever seen, they just run a zone and keep their arms up. it was horrible to watch.

[dmbhoosier21]

I'm the biggest homer?

No, that title goes to BBK.

You're a distant a second - you have a long way to go, sorry.

[DMBtheStoned]

Cheaters!

[Stormer]

No, that title goes to BBK.

You're a distant a second - you have a long way to go, sorry.


Where did old BBK go?

[SoRight24]

Where did old BBK go?

NastyMan. ;)

[chr35919]

the two teams the pats are going to absolutely pile drive into the ground?

the jets and the dolphins. :evil

mangina is the one that called belichick out, and you all know the b.s. shula comment

[chr35919]

So you're pissed at other people for pointing out that your team cheated?
this season, it was only for two quarters. the pats have proved beyond a reasonable doubt that they can be the best team in the nfl without tape.

[dmbhoosier21]

Where did old BBK go?

:lol He changes his name every few weeks or so.

SoRight is right - he is now aptly named NastyMan.