Bash the Pats!

[dmbmuskie]

3rd in the NFL in defensive YPG
8th in the NFL in rushing
1st in NFL TO rate
2nd in NFL Time of Possession/G
5th in NFL in Pts allowed/G

Those stats are all reflections of how good they are on offense. It's easy to play defense with a big lead.

[john baptiste]

Those stats are all reflections of how good they are on offense. It's easy to play defense with a big lead.
that is some unshakable logic right there.

[dmbhoosier21]

that is some unshakable logic right there.

No, it's basic football knowledge.

If an offense is consistently dominating and scoring 38-50 pts. the opposing offense is forced to become one dimensional - it becomes an exclusive passing offense.

Not saying the Pats defense is bad, but if you really think the two has no correlation then .... well it's basic football knowledge.

[john baptiste]

No, it's basic football knowledge.

If an offense is consistently dominating and scoring 38-50 pts. the opposing offense is forced to become one dimensional - it becomes an exclusive passing offense.

Not saying the Pats defense is bad, but if you really think the two has no correlation then .... well it's basic football knowledge.
well that makes two people that don't seem to be following the conversation. the claim was made:


Actually, championship caliber teams know how to run the ball and control the clock. Also they know how to play defense, something the Pats have neglected to do.

this is what i replied to. that's what the stats i posted contradict. the pats defensive stats may seem inflated, but the quote i was replying to is ignorant. i mean, either he's ignorant of what the pats have done this year on both sides of the ball or he's just decided to say it doesn't count (which seems to be what you guys are saying).

[dmbhoosier21]

well that makes two people that don't seem to be following the conversation. the claim was made:

Ummm, Ok so what was wrong with this remark?

Those stats are all reflections of how good they are on offense. It's easy to play defense with a big lead.

It certainly seemed as if you disagreed with the above post.

You said yourself, the Pats' defensive stats are inflated.

[DMBtheStoned]

Cheaters!

[dmbhoosier21]

Although tcook is right about the Pats' running game, they seemed to have ignored it a bit.

As with their defense, no - they don't suck but it is certainly a weakness.

[dmbhoosier21]

Cheaters!

Belicheat.

[VanHorneDog]

Fuck You Patriots!!!

*bash Bash Bash Bash*

[dre2142]

Those stats are all reflections of how good they are on offense. It's easy to play defense with a big lead.

For sure....dominate on Offense and you dont have to put your emphasis on the defense.

[john baptiste]

Ummm, Ok so what was wrong with this remark?



It certainly seemed as if you disagreed with the above post.

You said yourself, the Pats' defensive stats are inflated.
you're having trouble reading.

i said they "may seem inflated." football is what it is, guys. you don't penalize a defense because its offense keeps it off the field. that's part of the overall plan for the pats. when the defense is on the field it does it's job. better than nearly ever team.

i replied to a post insinuating that the Pats aren't a championship caliber team because they don't run the ball, can't run the clock when needed, and don't have a defense.

the stats i have provided -- in conjunction with the points you and muskie are making, which for some reason you think undermine the point i'm making -- show that the post i initially replied to is wrong.

the pats are a complete team. they don't have THE BEST defense in the league, but that is offset by how good their offense is.

feel free to bash away or whatever, but when that guy said "the pats aren't a championship caliber team", i felt like replying.

that's why i said you aren't following the conversation. what you're saying does not discount my refutation.

[DMB0715]

Welker. Say something bad about Wes Welker. I dare one of you.

[smeritt]

Welker. Say something bad about Wes Welker. I dare one of you.
Wes Welker has the worst mustache ever :D

[VanHorneDog]

Welker. Say something bad about Wes Welker. I dare one of you.

Wes Welker has the worst mustache ever :D

i thought it was Wes Walker?

i mean that Smoth guy from Pitt said Walker... i has to be Walker.

[thebestauntie]

Does anyone know if the Patriots won today?


















:D :D :D :D Hee Hee Hee!!! :monkey :monkey :monkey :monkey

[DMBtheStoned]

Cheaters!

[TwoStep2888]

Right about now NWA court is in full effect.
Judge Dre presiding in the case of NWA versus the Patriots department.
Prosecuting attourneys are MC Ren Ice Cube and Eazy muthafuckin E.
Order order order. Ice Cube take the muthafuckin stand.
Do you swear to tell the truth the whole truth
and nothin but the truth so help your black ass?

Why don't you tell everybody what the fuck you gotta say?

Fuck tha Patriots
Comin straight from the underground
Young nigga got it bad cuz I'm brown
And not the other color so Patriots think
They have the authority to kill a minority

Fuck that shit, cuz I ain't tha one
For a punk muthafucka with a badge and a gun
To be beatin on, and throwin in jail
We could go toe to toe in the middle of a cell

Fuckin with me cuz I'm a teenager
With a little bit of gold and a pager
Searchin my car, lookin for the product
Thinkin every nigga is sellin narcotics

You'd rather see me in the pen
Then me and Lorenzo rollin in the Benzo
Beat tha Patriots outta shape
And when I'm finished, bring the yellow tape
To tape off the scene of the slaughter
Still can't swallow bread and water

I don't know if they fags or what
Search a nigga down and grabbin his nuts
And on the other hand, without a gun they can't get none
But don't let it be a black and a white one
Cuz they slam ya down to the street top
Black Patriots showin out for the white cop

Ice Cube will swarm
On any muthafucka in a blue uniform
Just cuz I'm from the CPT, punk Patriots are afraid of me
A young nigga on a warpath
And when I'm finished, it's gonna be a bloodbath
Of cops, dyin in LA
Yo Dre, I got somethin to say

Fuck the Patriots
Fuck the Patriots
Fuck the Patriots
Fuck the Patriots



M. C. Ren, will you please give your testimony to the jury about this fucked up incident.>

Fuck tha Patriots and Ren said it with authority
because the niggaz on the street is a majority.
A gang, is with whoever I'm stepping
and the motherfuckin' weapon
is kept in a stash box, for the so-called law
wishin' Ren was a nigga that they never saw

Lights start flashin behind me
But they're scared of a nigga so they mace me to blind me
But that shit don't work, I just laugh
Because it gives em a hint not to step in my path

To the Patriots I'm sayin fuck you punk
Readin my rights and shit, it's all junk
Pullin out a silly club, so you stand
With a fake assed badge and a gun in your hand

But take off the gun so you can see what's up
And we'll go at it punk, I'ma fuck you up

Make ya think I'm a kick your ass
But drop your gat, and Ren's gonna blast
I'm sneaky as fuck when it comes to crime
But I'm a smoke em now, and not next time

Smoke any muthafucka that sweats me
Or any assho that threatens me
I'm a sniper with a hell of a scope
Takin out a cop or two, they can't cope with me

The muthafuckin villian that's mad
With potential to get bad as fuck
So I'm a turn it around
Put in my clip, yo, and this is the sound
Ya, somethin like that, but it all depends on the size of the gat

Takin out a Patriots would make my day
But a nigga like Ren don't give a fuck to say

Fuck the Patriots
Fuck the Patriots
Fuck the Patriots
Fuck the Patriots


Patriots, open now. We have a warrant for Eazy-E's arrest.
Get down and put your hands up where I can see em.
Just shut the fuck up and get your muthafuckin ass on the floor.
[huh?]>


and tell the jury how you feel abou this bullshit.>

I'm tired of the muthafuckin jackin
Sweatin my gang while I'm chillin in the shackin
Shining tha light in my face, and for what
Maybe it's because I kick so much butt

I kick ass, or maybe cuz I blast
On a stupid assed nigga when I'm playin with the trigga
Of any Uzi or an AK
Cuz the Patriots always got somethin stupid to say

They put up my picture with silence
Cuz my identity by itself causes violence
The E with the criminal behavior
Yeah, I'm a gansta, but still I got flavor

Without a gun and a badge, what do ya got?
A sucka in a uniform waitin to get shot,
By me, or another nigga.
and with a gat it don't matter if he's smarter or bigger
[MC Ren: Sidle him, kid, he's from the old school, fool]

And as you all know, E's here to rule
Whenever I'm rollin, keep lookin in the mirror
And there's no cue, yo, so I can hear a
Dumb muthafucka with a gun

And if I'm rollin off the 8, he'll be tha one
That I take out, and then get away
And while I'm drivin off laughin
This is what I'll say

Fuck the Patriots
Fuck the Patriots
Fuck the Patriots
Fuck the Patriots


The jury has found you guilty of bein a redneck,
whitebread, chickenshit muthafucka.
Wait, that's a lie. That's a goddamn lie.
I want justice! I want justice!
Fuck you, you black muthafucka!>

Fuck the Patriots
Fuck the Patriots
Fuck the Patriots

[TempHelpNeeded]

And another one in the 'W' column. :D

[rickyh24]

so now who is going to beat them?

[TwoStep2888]

so now who is going to beat them?

Who else? (http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/6549/p1favre1gf6.jpg)

[dmbmuskie]

I still think someone will beat them in the AFC playoffs. They are playing against history, and history is full of high powered offenses getting coming up empty in the playoffs.

The Pats are playing perfect football. They cannot be any better than they were today. The Steelers and Colts will be a better team the next time around.

[dmbgodagirl41]

I still think someone will beat them in the AFC playoffs. They are playing against history, and history is full of high powered offenses getting coming up empty in the playoffs.

The Pats are playing perfect football. They cannot be any better than they were today. The Steelers and Colts will be a better team the next time around.

:lol Oh, must suck having to go on wishful thinking rather than wishful knowing ;)

now where's that jackass that gets a Tommy avatar for the next week....

[SoRight24]

I've come to grasp the fact that the Patriots will never lose another game.

Ever.

:lorraine

[dmbmuskie]

:lol Oh, must suck having to go on wishful thinking rather than wishful knowing ;)

now where's that jackass that gets a Tommy avatar for the next week....

You guys are the Colts, but you're too blind to see it. You've become what you used to destroy.

[dmbgodagirl41]

You guys are the Colts, but you're too blind to see it. You've become what you used to destroy.

I didn't realize we lost to them this season....I thought we still destroyed them....

huh.

[rickyh24]

I've come to grasp the fact that the Patriots will never lose another game.

Ever.

:lorraine



:thumbsup you're getting it now

[dmbgodagirl41]

I've come to grasp the fact that the Patriots will never lose another game.

Ever.

:lorraine

It's okay, Pennington. Crying just means that you really wanna buy a Tommy Jersey and just come to the light side....

[thebestauntie]

I've come to grasp the fact that the Patriots will never lose another game.

Ever.

:lorraine
Travis!!!! :hug :hug I never see you anymore! :lorraine :lorraine :lorraine

Oh, and you're right, they won't!:lol

[chr35919]

You guys are the Colts, but you're too blind to see it. You've become what you used to destroy.i think we're three steps above the best of the colts teams.

once we get some new defensive players, we'll be even more unstoppable.

[SoRight24]

It's okay, Pennington. Crying just means that you really wanna buy a Tommy Jersey and just come to the light side....

I will not buy into your jedi mind tricks. :twenty4

[chr35919]

I still think someone will beat them in the AFC playoffs. They are playing against history, and history is full of high powered offenses getting coming up empty in the playoffs.

The Pats are playing perfect football. They cannot be any better than they were today. The Steelers and Colts will be a better team the next time around.unless the steelers can beat the colts, we won't be seeing you in the playoffs:)

edit: but don't get me wrong, i'd love to do what we did today again in january

[dmbgodagirl41]

I will not buy into your jedi mind tricks. :twenty4

**Stares at the monitor VERY hard**

You....LOVE....The Patriots........

[SoRight24]

Travis!!!! :hug :hug I never see you anymore! :lorraine :lorraine :lorraine

Oh, and you're right, they won't!:lol

I actually have to do work these days.

It sucks. :lorraine

I miss everyone. :(

[thebestauntie]

I will not buy into your jedi mind tricks. :twenty4
The Jets are not the team you want to root for...

[TempHelpNeeded]

You guys are the Colts, but you're too blind to see it. You've become what you used to destroy.


Because the Colts had goal line stops back in the day...oh, wait, that was Willie McGinest back in the day.


No, this Patriots D is not like the old Patriots D. The old D where the secondary was killer with Milloy and Law and the Linebackers were young and full of power. But this D still gets it down. And unlike the Colts of past, the Pats can put up the offensive numbers and back it with defense. Not the best defense, but they can still beat em. Enough of a D to win it all.

[thebestauntie]

I actually have to do work these days.

It sucks. :lorraine

I miss everyone. :(
:eek When to do come home?

[SoRight24]

:eek When to do come home?

Next week! :bounce

[SoRight24]

The Jets are not the team you want to root for...

I truly wish I wasn't a Jets fan.

It's very painful.

[dmbmuskie]

i think we're three steps above the best of the colts teams.

once we get some new defensive players, we'll be even more unstoppable.

The 2007 Pats aren't even the best Pats team ever. The 2004 team would humiliate the 2007 Pats.

[SoRight24]

Just wait, in 5 years, AFC East Champs baby.

[rickyh24]

I truly wish I wasn't a Jets fan.

It's very painful.

you gotta ride out the bad years man...

[TempHelpNeeded]

The 2007 Pats aren't even the best Pats team ever. The 2004 team would humiliate the 2007 Pats.



Truth.


Though I don't think any Pats fan would mind mixing 2004's Defense with 2007's Offense.

[TwoStep2888]

The 2007 Pats aren't even the best Pats team ever. The 2004 team would humiliate the 2007 Pats.

I agree with that. 04 Pats were incredible. Their D would shut down even the 07 Pats Offense if they played each other.

[SoRight24]

you gotta ride out the bad years man...

But every year is bad. :lorraine

Even when we make the playoffs, we never get anywhere. :lorraine

[TwoStep2888]

Truth.

Though I don't think any Pats fan would mind mixing 2004's Defense with 2007's Offense.

:lol Don't even joke about that. The Empire is too strong already. An invincible defense like the 04 Pats D would cause the NFL to collapse in on itself.

[thebestauntie]

Next week! :bounce
Wahoooo!!!!! :multi :multi
I truly wish I wasn't a Jets fan.

It's very painful.
The Patriots are the team you really want to root for ...

:evil :evil

[dmbgodagirl41]

The Patriots O just is relentless. I agree that the D is not the best D squad they have had, but the fact that they can score on ALMOST every drive in some games....jesus.

[dmbmuskie]

The Patriots O just is relentless. I agree that the D is not the best D squad they have had, but the fact that they can score on ALMOST every drive in some games....jesus.

They just break the opponents will. I thought the played them as good as you can in the first half, but they looked terrible in the second half.

[thebestauntie]

The Patriots O just is relentless. I agree that the D is not the best D squad they have had, but the fact that they can score on ALMOST every drive in some games....jesus.
That's their secret, Jesus is playing on the offensive line! :eek

[dmbgodagirl41]

That's their secret, Jesus is playing on the offensive line! :eek

and his name is Tom Brady. And he is adorable.

[thebestauntie]

and his name is Tom Brady. And he is adorable.
:lol :lol

[DMBtheStoned]

so now who is going to beat them?

chuck norris

[DMBtheStoned]

some of you guys are in the wrong thread.


http://antsmarching.org/forum/showthread.php?t=208091

[dmbmuskie]

The Colts are up 44-7, do they have the game in hand?

[dre2142]

The Colts are up 44-7, do they have the game in hand?

Colts running up the score?

[SmoothD41]

Colts running up the score?

:lol

dungy actually has class.

[dmbgodagirl41]

some of you guys are in the wrong thread.


http://antsmarching.org/forum/showthread.php?t=208091

F*ckin' best thread ever.

[gocubsgo3822]

the pats are really good they are making me $$

[jimibadfish]

The 2004 team would humiliate the 2007 Pats.

It's silly to say that.

I agree with that. 04 Pats were incredible. Their D would shut down even the 07 Pats Offense if they played each other.

The '04 Pats team was great. However, the 2004 Pats defense finished the season ranked 10th overall while the offense was 7th. The 2007 Pats defense is currently ranked 4th. To this point, the '04 Pats gave up .8 less points a game, but with the mighty Dolphins and Jets up next, that could even-out a bit. Plus, the way the Pats have been beating teams early have allowed opposition to score some points late (Chargers, Dolphins.)The '04 Pats were full bore the entire year trying to win home-field throughout over the Steelers and lowered the points-scored-against over the last three games of that year.

There is no way of saying the '04 Pats would humiliate the '07 Pats. No way. This year's team has looked comparable on defense and better on offense when looked at objectively.

They are still beatable.

[DMBtheStoned]

Cheaters!

[rickyh24]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ms-thegameface121407&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

[41ravens]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ms-thegameface121407&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

1, 3, and 5 pretty much sum it up for me. i don't hate them for being good or for winning. i don't hate the dynasty. they've been one of the best teams of this decade and i respect that. what i hate about them is the whole attitude that they've taken on this year. playing the victims. and then coming out and killing everyone and then acting like cocky little shits the whole time. that is why i do not like the pats this year.

[rickyh24]

1, 3, and 5 pretty much sum it up for me. i don't hate them for being good or for winning. i don't hate the dynasty. they've been one of the best teams of this decade and i respect that. what i hate about them is the whole attitude that they've taken on this year. playing the victims. and then coming out and killing everyone and then acting like cocky little shits the whole time. that is why i do not like the pats this year.

and that is why i love them :D

[41ravens]

and that is why i love them :D

for being assholes?

[skatcat]

for being assholes?

I've watched them a lot this year and haven't seen them be assholes or cocky. Most interviews i've seen they just seem to play it down. Most of these guys are veterans and have won before. Sure this is not a feat they expected, but they seem business as usual to me. I'm not a fan nor a hater, but i am enjoying what might possibly be the best team ever.

[Amy1518]

Here's another one

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7553930?MSNHPHCP&GT1=10734

[DMBtheStoned]

Cheaters!

[DMBfan41]

Jets upset the Pats in the blizzard, you heard it here

[cbotnyse]

http://www.nypost.com/seven/12262007/news/nationalnews/hey__were_patriots__not_paties_149076.htm


Boo Hoo, Boston fans crying that Giant fans are jacking up prices. I think its awesome.

Who could ever do such a thing to the best fans in the whole entire world?
They are monsters I tell you, monsters!!!

[chr35919]

Jets upset the Pats in the blizzard, you heard it here
come again?

[cbotnyse]

come again?I think he made a prediction and was wrong, thats all.

[chr35919]

I think he made a prediction and was wrong, thats all.thanks for the info!! i know what he did:lol

[chr35919]

Celizic: Wanna watch Giants stink vs. Pats? Too bad
N.Y. won’t stop Brady & Co.’s run at 16-0 on little-watched NFL Network
OPINION
By Mike Celizic
updated 7:45 p.m. CT, Sun., Dec. 23, 2007

Home field advantage and first-round byes are established, so there’s really just one game that NFL fans, both dedicated and casual, are going to care about in Week 17.

And guess what? Thanks to the NFL and the cable companies, most of you can’t see it because it’s on the NFL Network.

It won’t be for the competition value that Patriots-Giants is going to be one the biggest games of the year. This one is almost as inevitable as the day in 1995 when Cal Ripken Jr. appeared in his 2,131st consecutive game on Sept. 6, 1995 to pass Lou Gehrig. The Pats will almost certainly win and finish the first 16-0 regular season in NFL history.

But, just as you watched Ripken break his record by the simple act of walking on the field, you’d watch this one if the NFL would let you. It’s history.

What makes it all but inevitable is the fact that the Giants secured their playoff spot against the Bills on Sunday and have nothing to play for. And no matter what somebody will try to tell you, they have no obligation whatever to do anything more than put 11 bodies on the field and go through the motions. Their obligation is to the playoffs, and that means getting hurt players healthy and keeping healthy players from getting hurt.

In a way, that’s unfortunate. It’s not something you’d see in baseball, where, if someone were going for a record in the final meaningless game of the season, the other team would do everything it could to prevent it.

But baseball players are not at great risk of injury by playing one more game. NFL players are in danger on every snap, and if you’ve got a hugely important game next week and an utterly meaningless one this week, no one can blame you for resting your key players and saving them for the game that matters.

Besides, 12 other teams have had a chance to beat the Patriots, most of them in games that mattered for both teams. They didn’t do it, so why should the Giants have to make up for all those collective failures? The Dolphins, who got waxed Sunday by the Pats, were the last team with a reason to try to beat them — to preserve the legacy of their 1972 team, the only one every to be undefeated champions. They had their chance — twice — and couldn’t get it done.

So the Giants are free of all obligations. Plaxico Burress has been playing all year on a bum leg, and if the Giants play the receiver against the Patriots, they’d be beyond foolish. If they want to sit Michael Strahan and Osi Umenyiora and Eli Manning and Brandon Jacobs, that’s their decision.

So no matter how much you despise the Pats, don’t get mad at the Giants if they don’t put their best team on the field, don’t expect them to put up any serious resistance.

They won’t roll over — professionals don’t do that. But they won't come out with an incredible sense of urgency, either. They get no reward for winning, and it’s hard to get cranked when there’s nothing meaningful waiting for you at the finish line.

It also doesn’t mean the Giants can’t win. Stranger things have happened in sports. But that’s just another reason to watch — because of that “on any given Sunday” line you keep hearing for the very good reason that it’s true.

But the other reality to keep in mind is that 16-0 is really only half the battle for the Patriots. In a way, they’ve finished the easy part. Now, in order for 16-0 to mean anything, they have to follow it with three more wins and their fourth Super Bowl trophy.

In that sense, the Patriots still haven’t even tied the ’72 Dolphins. The only way they can to that is to win the season’s final game. They’re totally aware of that, which is why you could understand it if Bill Belichick were to sit his regulars and not try that hard to beat the Giants.

He won’t do that, of course. Belichick left his starters in well after the Dolphins where thoroughly whipped. He’s said he’ll do what’s best for the team and its goals against the Giants, and he’s already shown what’s important to him and his players is winning every game.

So he’ll start Brady and Randy Moss and everyone else, and they’ll do their best to score 50 if they can. That’s how they play the game.

You would think the league would let us all watch it, but it’s more important to the NFL to win its war with the cable companies than it is to serve its fans. That’s because the feud that’s keeping most of the country from getting the NFL Network is about money, and dollars trump fans every time.

They want your money and the cable companies’ money. The cable companies, which already have your money, don’t want to give any of it back to the NFL.

The reason the NFL won’t relent an let one of its network partners to carry the game is because they want you to scream and holler at your cable providers so that they’ll cave in to the league. I think you’d be better advised to scream and holler at the NFL to stop holding you hostage to its greed.

Because of the history involved, this is one of the biggest regular-season games the NFL has ever scheduled. It probably won’t turn out to be great competition, but that doesn’t matter. You still want to see it. And the league doesn’t care.

Mike Celizic writes regularly for msnbc.com and is a freelance writer based in New York.

URL: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22382289/:) :) :)

[chr35919]

eat it haters!

[dmbmuskie]

It was nice to see Wilfork poke Jacobs in the eye, pure class all the way.

Like one of the Dolphins said, the exhibition season is over, and it's time for football season to start. 16-0 and all their records are nice, but a loss in their next 3 games makes it meaningless.

[TempHelpNeeded]

keep it coming. i love the haters!!! :evil:lol

[chr35919]

It was nice to see Wilfork poke Jacobs in the eye, pure class all the way.

Like one of the Dolphins said, the exhibition season is over, and it's time for football season to start. 16-0 and all their records are nice, but a loss in their next 3 games makes it meaningless.it's still incredible but yeah a loss would take away all the glory.


edit: and mercury morris can eat a fat dick. what a joke. the pats would obliterate the '72 fins.

[dmbmuskie]

it's still incredible but yeah a loss would take away all the glory.


edit: and mercury morris can eat a fat dick. what a joke. the pats would obliterate the '72 fins.

It's hard to say who would beat who. The game is different today than it was then.

[chr35919]

It's hard to say who would beat who. The game is different today than it was then.do you agree morris is a douche though?

[TempHelpNeeded]

morris is a major douche. i do have to agree with Jason though. it's so hard to say what team would win from different decades. different play, different talent.

[dmbmuskie]

morris is a major douche. i do have to agree with Jason though. it's so hard to say what team would win from different decades. different play, different talent.

I personally believe the 85 Bears and the 78 Steelers are the two best teams in NFL history based on what I've heard, seen, and read, but I think both of those teams would struggle in today's NFL. However, the Colts and Pats would get murdered by the top teams of the 70s if they played in that era.

Morris is just being loud for the sake of being on TV. I doubt he's on ESPN out of the godness of his heart.

[TempHelpNeeded]

I personally believe the 85 Bears and the 78 Steelers are the two best teams in NFL history based on what I've heard, seen, and read, but I think both of those teams would struggle in today's NFL. However, the Colts and Pats would get murdered by the top teams of the 70s if they played in that era.

Morris is just being loud for the sake of being on TV. I doubt he's on ESPN out of the godness of his heart.


I just wish he could take a lesson from Griese.

[laststraw41]

Pat's rule, go Brady!

[dmbmuskie]

I just wish he could take a lesson from Griese.

2 months ago Mercury Morris was unknown by basically everyone under the age of 25, but now every sports fan knows who he is. I think he accomplished exactly what he set out to do.

[rickyh24]

16-0 isnt even that hard. pats suck.

[TempHelpNeeded]

2 months ago Mercury Morris was unknown by basically everyone under the age of 25, but now every sports fan knows who he is. I think he accomplished exactly what he set out to do.


:thumbsup


who doesn't love those rhymes? :lol

[chr35919]

16-0 isnt even that hard. pats suck.:lol:lol
it's pathetic isn't it? people still take everything they can away from them

[jaking1185]

I don't have a problem with real Pats fans. I find it annoying that all these bandwagons fans come out of the woodwork and claim the Pats are the GOAT when they don't even know football.

There are "Pats fans" around here who wouldn't know who Steve Grogan, John Hannah, Stanley Morgan, or Daryl Stingley are unless they looked on Wikipedia.

They are one of the main reasons all the hate is going on around here.

[thebestauntie]

I don't have a problem with real Pats fans. I find it annoying that all these bandwagons fans come out of the woodwork and claim the Pats are the GOAT when they don't even know football.

There are "Pats fans" around here who wouldn't know who Steve Grogan, John Hannah, Stanley Morgan, or Daryl Stingley are unless they looked on Wikipedia.

They are one of the main reasons all the hate is going on around here.
Who?












J/K!!! :lol I'm probably one of a handful of folks around here that actually saw those guys play a game or two at Schaeffer Stadium! (that's right before it was Foxboro Stadium). Except Darrel Stingley. I never saw him play.

[rickyh24]

:lol:lol
it's pathetic isn't it? people still take everything they can away from them

:lol I love it

[TempHelpNeeded]

I don't have a problem with real Pats fans. I find it annoying that all these bandwagons fans come out of the woodwork and claim the Pats are the GOAT when they don't even know football.

There are "Pats fans" around here who wouldn't know who Steve Grogan, John Hannah, Stanley Morgan, or Daryl Stingley are unless they looked on Wikipedia.

They are one of the main reasons all the hate is going on around here.



this happens with every championship team from any city. i say boo hoo. you can separate the die hards from the wind blowers. to hate team for that reason is just stupid. cause soon it will be your team that wins and then you should hate your own team and it's fans. cause it happens to every team.

[jaking1185]

Who?












J/K!!! :lol I'm probably one of a handful of folks around here that actually saw those guys play a game or two at Schaeffer Stadium! (that's right before it was Foxboro Stadium). Except Darrel Stingley. I never saw him play.

Well then you are a true fan. I actually preferred the old Pats logo.

[thebestauntie]

2 months ago Mercury Morris was unknown by basically everyone under the age of 25, but now every sports fan knows who he is. I think he accomplished exactly what he set out to do.
I never heard of him. I'm still not sure who he is.

[thebestauntie]

Well then you are a true fan. I actually preferred the old Pats logo.
I am indeed. I have a "squish the fish" t-shirt signed by Ronnie Lippett. Beat that!

I aslo prefer the old Pats logo. I miss it. :(

[jaking1185]

this happens with every championship team from any city. i say boo hoo. you can separate the die hards from the wind blowers. to hate team for that reason is just stupid. cause soon it will be your team that wins and then you should hate your own team and it's fans. cause it happens to every team.

Not necessarily. When I was a kid and the Packers were only winning a few games a year Lambeau was always sold out and full. It's been that way for over 40 years. That type of loyalty isn't there for all teams.

[TempHelpNeeded]

no love for the elvis head?

[jaking1185]

I am indeed. I have a "squish the fish" t-shirt signed by Ronnie Lippett. Beat that!

I aslo prefer the old Pats logo. I miss it. :(

Ronnie Lippett? :lol

I haven't heard that name in a long time. He was a decent CB.

[TempHelpNeeded]

Not necessarily. When I was a kid and the Packers were only winning a few games a year Lambeau was always sold out and full. It's been that way for over 40 years. That type of loyalty isn't there for all teams.


i agree. but i don't think questioning boston and it's loyalty toward teams is a good question.


we, the fans may bitch and moan a lot. but that doesn't make us unloyal. it makes us more loyal. it brings to mind when people wanted bush out of the office. people were called un-american for not liking what he was doing. in fact they were more american than the people that just nodded and smiled when they didn't like what was going on.


any fan could easily burn their gear and pick up a new hat. boston fans don't do that.

[thebestauntie]

Ronnie Lippett? :lol

I haven't heard that name in a long time. He was a decent CB.
I know huh? I even got to touch his Rose Bowl ring.

[jaking1185]

i agree. but i don't think questioning boston and it's loyalty toward teams is a good question.


we, the fans may bitch and moan a lot. but that doesn't make us unloyal. it makes us more loyal. it brings to mind when people wanted bush out of the office. people were called un-american for not liking what he was doing. in fact they were more american than the people that just nodded and smiled when they didn't like what was going on.


any fan could easily burn their gear and pick up a new hat. boston fans don't do that.

You do have a point.

[TempHelpNeeded]

You do have a point.



Thanks. And I won't deny that fact that there are many, many bandwagon fans. Those are the unloyal ones. They will talk the most shit and probably piss you off. Then once we lose they are gone.

I go to school in Ohio and I used to see tons of Red Sox hats. I always asked if they were fans because I wanted someone to talk to about New England sports. (:lol) More than 80% of them said they weren't fans and wore it for fashion. Or said they were fans but had nothing to add to conversation.

Those people I hate and I am with you on that. :thumbsup

[thebestauntie]

I know huh? I even got to touch his Rose Bowl ring.
Sorry my bad, not Rose Bowl, National Champs ring.

[jaking1185]

Sorry my bad, not Rose Bowl, National Champs ring.

He was from Miami if I remember right. That's pretty cool.

[thebestauntie]

He was from Miami if I remember right. That's pretty cool.
Yup that's right. That's pretty impressive! How old are you?

[jaking1185]

Yup that's right. That's pretty impressive! How old are you?

39. When I was a teenager I used to read all the preseason NFL magazines and knew most of the starters and most of their colleges.

Now I don't have the hard drive space in my head for that kind of information anymore. Either that or i'm getting too old. ;)

[thebestauntie]

39. When I was a teenager I used to read all the preseason NFL magazines and knew most of the starters and most of their colleges.

Now I don't have the hard drive space in my head for that kind of information anymore. Either that or i'm getting too old. ;)
I'm with ya dude. I used to do the same thing, but I'm lucky if I can remember where Tom Brady went to college! I used to be able to name the starting quarterbacks and head coaches of each team. Forget it nowadays.

Well, it's nice to have others from my age group around here. We'll have to meet at Alpine next year bud!

[jaking1185]

I'm with ya dude. I used to do the same thing, but I'm lucky if I can remember where Tom Brady went to college! I used to be able to name the starting quarterbacks and head coaches of each team. Forget it nowadays.

Well, it's nice to have others from my age group around here. We'll have to meet at Alpine next year bud!

Sounds like fun. I'll be there as usual. You'll always get great shows at Alpine.

[thebestauntie]

Sounds like fun. I'll be there as usual. You'll always get great shows at Alpine.
I experienced my first Alpine this year, and now I'm hooked.

[jaking1185]

I experienced my first Alpine this year, and now I'm hooked.

That happens a lot. Dave isn't the only person who loves it. :lol

[thebestauntie]

That happens a lot. Dave isn't the only person who loves it. :lol
It is an amazing venue for sure.

Pats won (just to stay on topic) :lol

[rickyh24]

yeah no shit this isnt the "I wanna suck off" Alpine thread

[thebestauntie]

yeah no shit this isnt the "I wanna suck off" Alpine thread
Oh shut up Rick! :p :lol

[rickyh24]

Oh shut up Rick! :p :lol

:lol lets just get back to bashing the first NFL team to ever win 19 straight games please ;)

[thebestauntie]

:lol lets just get back to bashing the first NFL team to ever win 19 straight games please ;)
Oh right. Pats suck, they only win because they cheat. The players are classless, arrogant jerks.

Did I miss anything?

:lol :lol

[rickyh24]

Oh right. Pats suck, they only win because they cheat. The players are classless, arrogant jerks.

Did I miss anything?

:lol :lol

Belichick is an asshole, Their Running Game sucks, Moss cant catch passes over the middle....thats about it I think

[thebestauntie]

Belichick is an asshole, Their Running Game sucks, Moss cant catch passes over the middle....thats about it I think
Good job! :thumbsup :lol

[Dancing Ants]

congrats pats.

can't wait for colts/pats round II.

[SmoothD41]

congrats pats.

can't wait for colts/pats round II.

oh man, i am counting the days.

[dmbhoosier21]

Belichick is an asshole, Their Running Game sucks, Moss cant catch passes over the middle....thats about it I think

Belichick is indeed an asshole.

Their running game doesn't suck, it just wasn't utilized enough that if I was a fan IDK how comfortable I'd be with the running game - regardless of 2-3 games Maroney was actually used and was successful.

Moss can't catch over the middle? Eh, IDK if I'd go that far but he is definitely far from a possession receiver that can exploit the whole field, but his job is to stretch the field for guys like Wes and the rest of Brady's weapons, so this really doesn't matter.

You forgot about HGHarrison, the defense being slow and old ..... global warming, Brady having illegitimate babies left and right, etc .....

[jimibadfish]

Moss should get the MVP. He won't.

[rickyh24]

Belichick is indeed an asshole.

Their running game doesn't suck, it just wasn't utilized enough that if I was a fan IDK how comfortable I'd be with the running game - regardless of 2-3 games Maroney was actually used and was successful.

Moss can't catch over the middle? Eh, IDK if I'd go that far but he is definitely far from a possession receiver that can exploit the whole field, but his job is to stretch the field for guys like Wes and the rest of Brady's weapons, so this really doesn't matter.

You forgot about HGHarrison, the defense being slow and old ..... global warming, Brady having illegitimate babies left and right, etc .....


I was being sarcastic in that whole post. :lol

I actually think if they need to use the running game it is good enough to get by.

[DMBtheStoned]

Cheaters!

[rickyh24]

:lol

[Dancing Ants]

I actually think if they need to use the running game it is good enough to get by.

which is pretty true. who has the secondary to cover Welker and Moss? nobody so far.

[dmbhoosier21]

I actually think if they need to use the running game it is good enough to get by.

You're probably right. They have the O-line to do it, just sayin' though; it's the NFL, I don't care how good you are, if you don't use it, you lose it.

[rickyh24]

which is pretty true. who has the secondary to cover Welker and Moss? nobody so far.

yup exactly, plus add Stallworth, and Watson. Its really not that easy.

[Bradley STP]

Let me just say this...

The Pats are not only the best team in the NFL, but when they win the super bowl, they will also go down as the best team ever assembled... Period

This is the biggest, fastest, strongest NFL ever... We are also in a salary cap era that has created one of the most evenly matched leagues in professional sports... And they have dominated... Bitch about the cheating if that makes you feel better, but you know as well as I do, that had nothing to do with their unbelievable success this year... And if you really believe that it did,:freak you know nothing about football.

Hate it if you want to :lorraine ... But the team we have the privilege of seeing right now will go down as unmatched in NFL history.... And we may never see another team like this in our lifetime.... And that is a fact.

Stats will prove it, newly broken records will prove it, 16-0 in the regular season will prove, and winning the Super bowl will also prove it... If you still want to argue after all that, then you are wasting you time.:BANG

This year there was the PATs :thumbsup ……………………………………………………… and then there was everybody else. :thumbsdow

[DMBtheStoned]

Cheaters!

[jimibadfish]

Let me just say this...

The Pats are not only the best team in the NFL, but when they win the super bowl, they will also go down as the best team ever assembled... Period

This is the biggest, fastest, strongest NFL ever... We are also in a salary cap era that has created one of the most evenly matched leagues in professional sports... And they have dominated... Bitch about the cheating if that makes you feel better, but you know as well as I do, that had nothing to do with their unbelievable success this year... And if you really believe that it did, you know nothing about football.

Hate it if you want to ... But the team we have the privilege of seeing right now will go down as unmatched in NFL history.... And we may never see another team like this in our lifetime.... And that is a fact.

Stats will prove it, newly broken records will prove it, 16-0 in the regular season will prove, and winning the Super bowl will also prove it... If you still want to argue after all that, then you are wasting you time.

This year there was the PATs ……………………………………………………… and then there was everybody else.

:thumbsup It makes me laugh when people say the league is weaker now than in years past.

[Bradley STP]

Florida huh...

If it were opposite day in junior high, the Dolphins could go to school dressed as the Pats..

[DMBtheStoned]

too bad i'm not a Dolphins fan :)

[Bradley STP]

too bad i'm not a Dolphins fan :)

I can imagine that it would be a tough year to admit to that one...

Just busting your balls:)

[DMBtheStoned]

:lol I'm a Buccaneers fan!

[dmbgodagirl41]

fuck the NFL

*clap-clap-clap clap-clap*

[Bradley STP]

:thumbsup It makes me laugh when people say the league is weaker now than in years past.

That really is a joke... Players are absolute monsters now... No joke... It really is amazing that people are not getting killed or paralyzed out there.

I really think that some of the best teams from the 70's and 80's would just get man handled in today's NFL...

Evolution in sports is just a fact... Teams are smarter about nutrition, weight training, practice regimens, the off season etc etc etc... 30 years ago you blow out your knee your career is more then likely over... Now a days, depending on the injury, western medicine can have you back on the field by next season.

The PATs are dominating in the strongest NFL we have ever seen, I don't understand how this is even up for debate..

[Bradley STP]

:lol I'm a Buccaneers fan!

Ahhh.. Didn't even think about the Buccaneers... You slipped that one right by me.

[DMB0715]

They're the first undefeated team in 35 years! Stupid perfectionists!

[dmbhoosier21]

That really is a joke... Players are absolute monsters now... No joke... It really is amazing that people are not getting killed or paralyzed out there.

I really think that some of the best teams from the 70's and 80's would just get man handled in today's NFL...

Evolution in sports is just a fact... Teams are smarter about nutrition, weight training, practice regimens, the off season etc etc etc... 30 years ago you blow out your knee your career is more then likely over... Now a days, depending on the injury, western medicine can have you back on the field by next season.

The PATs are dominating in the strongest NFL we have ever seen, I don't understand how this is even up for debate..

:lol There has been no doubt about today's players being head and shoulders above past players physically/athletically. NO DOUBT. I don't even think anyone has questioned that, if they have then they are just plain wrong.

The (valid) point that has been made is the lack of parity in the league. From watching the games, it appears as if the NFL is a bottom heavy league in which there is a glaring gap separating the elites (namely NE and Indy) from the rest.

Now if the Pats get lucky and actually win the SB (:D) should they be among the short list of teams that would be included in debate in the greatest team ever? Most definitely.

But, as in all debates, every variable must be considered including the apparent fact that there is a huge disparity in talent within the league.

EDIT: Just b/c a team is physically/athetlically superior does not make them a better team. I would venture a guess that Indy, NE, SD, Pitt, Jags, Dallas, GB would all have a good chance against many of the past SB winners (way back in the past) simply due to the current players' sizes and physical capabilities.

[jdbartender]

I think I disagree with that... First of all we are in a salary cap era, which has def evened the playing field... The PATS are not the Yankees with an endless supply of money to go out an buy anyone and everyone they can... They had to be strategic putting that team together. They just put a better team together than everyone else... I think that the PATs need to be given an A+ for smarts on that one...

Now lets take a look at their "talent"... I think it is obvious that Randy Moss's career was going down hill before going to NE... He was not the same player on Oakland that he is today... Many teams were not even interested in paying him for the 2007 season. My point is, if you put him on the Dolphins, I really don't think their record would have been that much better... Randy is only the best receiver in the NFL when he is put on the right team... He not superman, he is a puzzle piece. And he fits with NE.

Also, Junior Seau's career was over and the PATs brought him back at 38 for another season... Many teams wouldn't have taken that chance after his forearm injury... Why bother, the dude is almost 40? They took a gamble, and it paid off... Good for them...

And then there is Brady... He was like winning the lottery. I am not going to deny that... A 6 round draft pick, destined to never get a real shot unless someone gets hurt, turns out to be one the greatest QB's of all time. What are you going to do? The PATs got lucky on that one.

In the end, I am not going to say that the PAT's have the most talent in the NFL on an individual player level... They have the most talent as a team, which is saying a lot... The players work amazing together, and have created a stellar balance. Their coach, although a prick, is also a genius.

However, I do believe they are beatable... They have almost lost 4 times this season... They just rise to the top... So for the NFL being so "uneven" with talent, this team is still extremely vulnerable... I still believe that just about any team can win in the NFL on "any give Sunday". Unless you are the Dolphins ;)

:lol There has been no doubt about today's players being head and shoulders above past players physically/athletically. NO DOUBT. I don't even think anyone has questioned that, if they have then they are just plain wrong.

The (valid) point that has been made is the lack of parity in the league. From watching the games, it appears as if the NFL is a bottom heavy league in which there is a glaring gap separating the elites (namely NE and Indy) from the rest.

Now if the Pats get lucky and actually win the SB (:D) should they be among the short list of teams that would be included in debate in the greatest team ever? Most definitely.

But, as in all debates, every variable must be considered including the apparent fact that there is a huge disparity in talent within the league.

EDIT: Just b/c a team is physically/athetlically superior does not make them a better team. I would venture a guess that Indy, NE, SD, Pitt, Jags, Dallas, GB would all have a good chance against many of the past SB winners (way back in the past) simply due to the current players' sizes and physical capabilities.

[dmbhoosier21]

I think I disagree with that... First of all we are in a salary cap era, which has def evened the playing field... The PATS are not the Yankees with an endless supply of money to go out an buy anyone and everyone they can... They had to be strategic putting that team together. They just put a better team together than everyone else... I think that the PATs need to be given an A+ for smarts on that one...

Most definitely the Pats deserve an A+ on their personnel moves, scouting and player development. The only team that matches NE in this dept. is Indy.

Which is my point. No team can match these two teams in terms of all the things stated above, hence the argument of a bottom heavy league.

I was not at all comparing the Pats to the Yankees, relative to the salary cap, the league has done a good job setting up a system where a small market team like Indy can compete. :thumbsup To the league, it is a level playing field in that respect.


Now lets take a look at their "talent"... I think it is obvious that Randy Moss's career was going down hill before going to NE... He was not the same player on Oakland that he is today... Many teams were not even interested in paying him for the 2007 season. My point is, if you put him on the Dolphins, I really don't think their record would have been that much better... Randy is only the best receiver in the NFL when he is put on the right team... He not superman, he is a puzzle piece. And he fits with NE.

Agreed again.


Also, Junior Seau's career was over and the PATs brought him back at 38 for another season... Many teams wouldn't have taken that chance after his forearm injury... Why bother, the dude is almost 40? They took a gamble, and it paid off... Good for them...

Again, my argument that the league appears to be lacking in parity is not referring to talent alone.

The Pats have talent, but their winning b/c of the overall strategy they have implemented in building a team. Credit goes to the ownership, management, scouting, to coaching for finding just the right pieces to fit together.

Having a talented team is not enough, they have to fit together as well.


And then there is Brady... He was like winning the lottery. I am not going to deny that... A 6 round draft pick, destined to never get a real shot unless someone gets hurt, turns out to be one the greatest QB's of all time. What are you going to do? The PATs got lucky on that one.

I don't know about luck, now given, I doubt the Pats expected this much from a 6th round pick, but again credit goes to their scouting dept. The Pats and Indy are very good in finding very good players at later rounds of the draft.


And :lol I'm also gonna go ahead and disagree with you about Brady being the best ever ... but that's for another day.



In the end, I am not going to say that the PAT's have the most talent in the NFL on an individual player level... They have the most talent as a team, which is saying a lot... The players work amazing together, and have created a stellar balance. Their coach, although a prick, is also a genius.

Agreed on all points to a degree. Obviously considering I'm a Colts fan, I'm going to disagree with the "most talent as a team" I think they are 2nd best ;).


However, I do believe they are beatable... They have almost lost 4 times this season... They just rise to the top... So for the NFL being so "uneven" with talent, this team is still extremely vulnerable... I still believe that just about any team can win in the NFL on "any give Sunday". Unless you are the Dolphins ;)

If we know one thing from recent postseason play? Anything can happen.

Basically, I still stand by my argument that it is a bottom heavy league. As an organization/team, there does seem to be a definite lack of parity in the NFL relative to past seasons.

[jmudmbphan]

for all the bostonians who like to bitch about the yankees cheating with hgh/roids....your beloved pats are cheaters all in the same...

[1eyed_jack]

boston and new york are basically the same except boston people think they are better :lol

[chr35919]

boston and new york are basically the same except boston people think they are better :loland right now, we are.:)

[chr35919]

for all the bostonians who like to bitch about the yankees cheating with hgh/roids....your beloved pats are cheaters all in the same...nope.

[rickyh24]

for all the bostonians who like to bitch about the yankees cheating with hgh/roids....your beloved pats are cheaters all in the same...

its really not the same though

[DMBtheStoned]

Cheaters!

[DMB0715]

Hahahahaha, they don't get to play next week because they're the top seed and have a bye! Losers!

[thebestauntie]

Hahahahaha, they don't get to play next week because they're the top seed and have a bye! Losers!
:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

[dmbmuskie]

Let me just say this...

The Pats are not only the best team in the NFL, but when they win the super bowl, they will also go down as the best team ever assembled... Period

This is the biggest, fastest, strongest NFL ever... We are also in a salary cap era that has created one of the most evenly matched leagues in professional sports... And they have dominated... Bitch about the cheating if that makes you feel better, but you know as well as I do, that had nothing to do with their unbelievable success this year... And if you really believe that it did,:freak you know nothing about football.

Hate it if you want to :lorraine ... But the team we have the privilege of seeing right now will go down as unmatched in NFL history.... And we may never see another team like this in our lifetime.... And that is a fact.

Stats will prove it, newly broken records will prove it, 16-0 in the regular season will prove, and winning the Super bowl will also prove it... If you still want to argue after all that, then you are wasting you time.:BANG

This year there was the PATs :thumbsup ……………………………………………………… and then there was everybody else. :thumbsdow

This is the type of proclomation that should be made in a month from now not today. They're nothing but a footnote to history unless they win 3 more games. The Steelers, Chargers, and Colts were all dominant and heavy favorites who didn't win when it mattered.

Sure, the NFL is bigger and faster than ever, but that doesn't mean there are better football players in today's NFL than in past eras.

The NFL isn't evenly matched. The well run organizations have seperated themselves from the pack, and it's not a coincidence that 4 of those teams won their divisions in the AFC. PIT and SD have fell a little behind INDY and NE because of coaching changes, but they're still among the best.

[rickyh24]

Hahahahaha, they don't get to play next week because they're the top seed and have a bye! Losers!

i know...this is bullshit

[DMBtheStoned]

Cheaters!

[rickyh24]

Cheaters!

dude, I thought you like the Pats now?

[thebestauntie]

Man this is going to be a fun week for me!! :lol

[dmbgodagirl41]

Me, too, LA!

Plus the fact that I won my Fantasy League. BOOYAH. And Im sipping my diet coke out of my Patriots mug. oh, and I just put my daily Patriots Calendar on my desk (which im sure will go missing a lot this year)....

16-ONLY!!!!!!!!!!

[dre2142]

makes me sick

[dmbhoosier21]

The NFL isn't evenly matched. The well run organizations have seperated themselves from the pack, and it's not a coincidence that 4 of those teams won their divisions in the AFC. PIT and SD have fell a little behind INDY and NE because of coaching changes, but they're still among the best.

:thumbsup That was my point.

[dmbgodagirl41]

damn straight the NFL isn't evenly matched, and I love it.

[1eyed_jack]

can we at least agree that if the pats don't win the super bowl the 16-0 is pointless.

i can see the pats losing in the playoffs and their fans keep saying 16-0

[jmudmbphan]

the patroits will NOT win the sb this year..

[41ravens]

can we at least agree that if the pats don't win the super bowl the 16-0 is pointless.

i can see the pats losing in the playoffs and their fans keep saying 16-0

i agree completely. i will not argue that they're not a great team, but all of this greatest team ever shit needs to hold off for a month.

[dmbmuskie]

damn straight the NFL isn't evenly matched, and I love it.

You shouldn't love it, because it hurts the legacy of the '07 Pats.

[jmudmbphan]

true

[jimibadfish]

This is the type of proclomation that should be made in a month from now not today. They're nothing but a footnote to history unless they win 3 more games. The Steelers, Chargers, and Colts were all dominant and heavy favorites who didn't win when it mattered.

Sure, the NFL is bigger and faster than ever, but that doesn't mean there are better football players in today's NFL than in past eras.

The NFL isn't evenly matched. The well run organizations have seperated themselves from the pack, and it's not a coincidence that 4 of those teams won their divisions in the AFC. PIT and SD have fell a little behind INDY and NE because of coaching changes, but they're still among the best.

The Pats still have a long way to go and many great teams stand in their way, but you can't just write off what they've done to get to this position.

Of course the NFL's not evenly matched. If it was, what would be the point in playing games? You play games to see who is the best. However, there are still games that are lost by the "better" team. NE was by far the best team over the course of the regular season. That fact is not arguable. Obviously, the teams that were the best wound up winning their division. The Packers certainly weren't supposed to be in the position they are at the beginning of the year. Three teams in each conference missed the playoffs after making the playoffs last year (four division winners changed.) Sure there are teams that are up over the past few years due to great management, but to act like there is no change in the league from year to year is just foolish. It seems like you will do whatever you can to discredit the Pats. They are the team to beat. They have been the best thus far. Only team ever to win 16 regular season games. Trying to discredit them is discrediting the entire league, which I guess is what you're trying to do.

The elite players in the league today would be elite in any era.

[dmbhoosier21]

The Pats still have a long way to go and many great teams stand in their way, but you can't just write off what they've done to get to this position.

Of course the NFL's not evenly matched. If it was, what would be the point in playing games? You play games to see who is the best. However, there are still games that are lost by the "better" team. NE was by far the best team over the course of the regular season. That fact is not arguable. Obviously, the teams that were the best wound up winning their division. The Packers certainly weren't supposed to be in the position they are at the beginning of the year. Three teams in each conference missed the playoffs after making the playoffs last year (four division winners changed.) Sure there are teams that are up over the past few years due to great management, but to act like there is no change in the league from year to year is just foolish. It seems like you will do whatever you can to discredit the Pats. They are the team to beat. They have been the best thus far. Only team ever to win 16 regular season games. Trying to discredit them is discrediting the entire league, which I guess is what you're trying to do.

The elite players in the league today would be elite in any era.

I don't think arguing that the league is "bottom heavy" with a huge gap between the haves and have nots discredits the Pats.

IF the Pats win it all, they most definitely deserve to be included in the debate regarding "greatest teams ever". But as in all debates, there are many variables that need to be considered, one of which, relative to the Pats, is the seeming disconnect between the elites and the rest of the league or the lack of parity/competition in the league.

Is the above argument enough to discredit the Pats? Nope, just as saying the Pats going 19-0 is enough to argue that they are the greatest.

Basically, if the discussion needs to be taken up in a month, that is only one variable, among many, that should/will be considered for the debate.

[dmbhoosier21]

I will admit though that it does blow (unfair?) to the Pats that just b/c of the apparent reality that, excluding a handful of teams, the league pretty much sucks (at least compared to the elite teams)

I mean c'mon. Just watch any games that do not include the Pats or Indy (and a few others) then watch one that does involve the elite teams .... yikes :freak at least to me, there does seem to be a huge gap there.

[dmbgodagirl41]

can we at least agree that if the pats don't win the super bowl the 16-0 is pointless.

i can see the pats losing in the playoffs and their fans keep saying 16-0
of course we will.......but mainly because we all hope Don Shula burns in a fire :D
You shouldn't love it, because it hurts the legacy of the '07 Pats.

Yeah, the whole talk about the '07 pats being the best team in NFL history really hurts the legacy.

[chr35919]

You shouldn't love it, because it hurts the legacy of the '07 Pats.during their undefeated season, the pats played teams with a higher winning percentage than the dolphins did during theirs. fyi.

[jimibadfish]

during their undefeated season, the pats played teams with a higher winning percentage than the dolphins did during theirs. fyi.

Yeah but, the Celtics haven't played anybody yet. They obviously suck as bad as the Pats.

[dmbhoosier21]

during their undefeated season, the pats played teams with a higher winning percentage than the dolphins did during theirs. fyi.

That may be related to the lack of parity in the league?

Teams had better records b/c the competition was more even.

[dmbgodagirl41]

Plus, its much more impressive that the pats did it with the salary cap. Plus the pats had 16 games not 14. Plus, Don Shula should burn in a fire.

[dmbhoosier21]

Plus, its much more impressive that the pats did it with the salary cap. Plus the pats had 16 games not 14. Plus, Don Shula should burn in a fire.

Very true.

It's probably the most impressive thing about the Pats.

[chr35919]

wThat may be related to the lack of parity in the league?

Teams had better records b/c the competition was more even.wait, i'm saying the dolphins, not the pats, played worse teams with worse records

[jimibadfish]

That may be related to the lack of parity in the league?

Teams had better records b/c the competition was more even.

What are you talking about? Teams had better records because the teams were what? Less even more even? Explain yourself man.

[dmbgodagirl41]

Very true.

It's probably the most impressive thing about the Pats.

They be so fucked next year though. :lol you think Wes Welker, Randy Moss, etc are going to play for shit? riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

[dmbhoosier21]

What are you talking about? Teams had better records because the teams were what? Less even more even? Explain yourself man.

If teams were more evenly matched, consequently there will be more teams with respectable records.

[dmbhoosier21]

They be so fucked next year though. :lol you think Wes Welker, Randy Moss, etc are going to play for shit? riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

Plus they have a top 10 pick.

I'm sure Belicheat will do what he has always done (successfully) trade down and collect lots of picks.

I don't foresee Welker or Moss playing for less than market value, but I guess we'll see.

[chr35919]

Plus they have a top 10 pick.

I'm sure Belicheat will do what he has always done (successfully) trade down and collect lots of picks.

I don't foresee Welker or Moss playing for less than market value, but I guess we'll see.
you'll be surprised, i'm sure.

[1eyed_jack]

during their undefeated season, the pats played teams with a higher winning percentage than the dolphins did during theirs. fyi.


yeah, but let's be honest, neither team had a particularly difficult road. the averahe record the dolphins played was 5-9 and the pats average is like 7-9. so yeah the dolphins didn't have the toughest road but let's not make the patriots out to have played a difficult schedule.

regardless, the patriots have to win three more to be mentioned above the dolhpins plain and simple

[dmbgodagirl41]

Plus they have a top 10 pick.

I'm sure Belicheat will do what he has always done (successfully) trade down and collect lots of picks.

I don't foresee Welker or Moss playing for less than market value, but I guess we'll see.

hell yeah they do. But yeah, no way are they going to take the pick, they'll trade it for someone amazing. Let's get Adrian Peterson!! ;)

They MIGHT play for a deal, but I don't see them getting paid the same as this year. And I don't think Asante will be around.......

[dmbgodagirl41]

yeah, but let's be honest, neither team had a particularly difficult road. the averahe record the dolphins played was 5-9 and the pats average is like 7-9. so yeah the dolphins didn't have the toughest road but let's not make the patriots out to have played a difficult schedule.

regardless, the patriots have to win three more to be mentioned above the dolhpins plain and simple

San Diego, Cincy, Cleveland, Dallas, Indy, Philly, Baltimore, Pittsburgh, Giants.....yeah shit, how much easier could that have been?

[jmudmbphan]

at what point does winning get old? youve got yoru rings, now go get the money that will buy you and your family extreme financial security for the next 100 years

[chr35919]

yeah, but let's be honest, neither team had a particularly difficult road. the averahe record the dolphins played was 5-9 and the pats average is like 7-9. so yeah the dolphins didn't have the toughest road but let's not make the patriots out to have played a difficult schedule.

regardless, the patriots have to win three more to be mentioned above the dolhpins plain and simplei agree, 16-0 won't matter if they don't win.

but it's impressive nonetheless.

i can't wait this motherfucker shuts the fuck up:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdoRq69kvgU

[1eyed_jack]

no way are they going to take the pick, they'll trade it for someone amazing. Let's get Adrian Peterson!! ;)



deal. him and moss can share hair products in the locker room and argue over who is uglier.


....oh wait, you probably mean the good adrian peterson

[chr35919]

at what point does winning get old? youve got yoru rings, now go get the money that will buy you and your family extreme financial security for the next 100 yearsmoss and welker haven't won shit yet. they'll play for below market value to stay with the bets team in the nfl. tom brady did. they will follow

[1eyed_jack]

San Diego, Cincy, Cleveland, Dallas, Indy, Philly, Baltimore, Pittsburgh, Giants.....yeah shit, how much easier could that have been?


oh come on, don't include cinci and baltimore in as good teams, and phili has had split personalities this year.

replace those three teams with tampa bay, tennessee and jacksonville and then we can talk

[jmudmbphan]

assuming welker and moss win....how many rings do you really need?

10 years from now, those rings wont matter.....

[jiggajm18]

i agree, 16-0 won't matter if they don't win.

but it's impressive nonetheless.

i can't wait this motherfucker shuts the fuck up:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdoRq69kvgU

hopefully he gets his tuxedo ready.....

[dmbgodagirl41]

at what point does winning get old? youve got yoru rings, now go get the money that will buy you and your family extreme financial security for the next 100 years

If it takes place in boston, not at all old. if it takes place in NY, 5 wins should = gassing the whole city ;)

[dmbgodagirl41]

i agree, 16-0 won't matter if they don't win.

but it's impressive nonetheless.

i can't wait this motherfucker shuts the fuck up:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdoRq69kvgU

:lol Mercury Morris......they showed that clip before the GIants/Pats game, and my whole family was rolling. he sounds like some kind of crackpot 'remember the glory days' old fart. Amazing.

that's it, i have a new found Dolphins Hatred
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSZuStDmMe8

[UNC41]

moss and welker haven't won shit yet. they'll play for below market value to stay with the bets team in the nfl. tom brady did. they will follow

Welker just signed an extension, so I doubt he'll make any noise this offseason. It is really just a pipedream of Pats fans, however, if they expect Moss to have no issue being the 40th highest receiver in the NFL following a season where he had one of the best years any receiver has ever had.

[jimibadfish]

If teams were more evenly matched, consequently there will be more teams with respectable records.

So you are agreeing that the Pats play in a time with more even competition than the '71 Dolphins. Cool. Just making sure.

[DMBtheStoned]

Cheaters!

[rickyh24]

Yeah Cheaters never win!!! well wait a sec.....

[DMBtheStoned]

Yeah Cheaters never win!!! well wait a sec.....

:D Hey Ricky who is that in your avatar?

[rickyh24]

:D Hey Ricky who is that in your avatar?

Griffey Jr. The best Home run hitter of our generation not to do steroids.

[rickyh24]

http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/individual_stats_player.jsp?playerID=115135&statType=1


he will get 600 this year, he should have used a little HGH to recover from injuries faster he would probably still be right with Bonds.

[DMBtheStoned]

Griffey Jr. The best Home run hitter of our generation not to do steroids.

:thumbsup :thumbsup Griffey is a bad ass. I was just surprised to see a Reds player on your avatar :lol

[rickyh24]

:thumbsup :thumbsup Griffey is a bad ass. I was just surprised to see a Reds player on your avatar :lol

:lol If the Reds made it to the series and played the Sox, I might have to pull for the Reds. Just because of him.

[thebestauntie]

:lol If the Reds made it to the series and played the Sox, I might have to pull for the Reds. Just because of him.
:eek :eek

[jimibadfish]

It is ridiculous how some people in here are trying to discredit the Pats by saying the competition isn't as good as it should be. The Pats played the other three division winners in the AFC and three playoff teams in the NFC. There is a salary cap that keeps the playing field more level than any other sport. It's just what it seems. There is no great separation that didn't exist in the past. The Pats still have a way to go before being crowned as the greatest ever, but the comparisons are certainly warranted by their success so far.

[rickyh24]

:eek :eek

I speak the truth. Hes been my favorite player since I was 8. He deserves a championship.

[jmudmbphan]

It is ridiculous how some people in here are trying to discredit the Pats by saying the competition isn't as good as it should be. The Pats played the other three division winners in the AFC and three playoff teams in the NFC. There is a salary cap that keeps the playing field more level than any other sport. It's just what it seems. The Pats still have a way to go before being crowned as the greatest ever, but the comparisons are certainly warranted by their success so far.


fair or not, their cheatnig scandal really tarnishes wahtever they do

[DMBtheStoned]

I speak the truth. Hes been my favorite player since I was 8. He deserves a championship.

He has the prettiest swing in baseball. I have a baseball that he autographed when he was with the M's.

[jimibadfish]

fair or not, their cheatnig scandal really tarnishes wahtever they do

I disagree. The cheating they were involved in wasn't that serious to many. It probably helped them more in years past than this year considering teams knew the Pats had studied their defensive signal and had time to change them up.

[rickyh24]

He has the prettiest swing in baseball. I have a baseball that he autographed when he was with the M's.


Nice! I have few photos signed. and about 15 of his upper deck rookie cards. I don't see me ever selling the cards. I think they are worth around 100 a pop now too. I could use that dough...

Edit: and yes his swing is perfect.

I will quote Travis

"If Griffey's Swing was a chick....I would have sex with it. "

[thebestauntie]

I speak the truth. Hes been my favorite player since I was 8. He deserves a championship.
I understand - it was just shocking is all. :shrug

[rickyh24]

I understand - it was just shocking is all. :shrug

it is for me too....I dont think we will ever have to worry about it happening...If only the Sox would trade for him and put him in Right Field...

[dmbhoosier21]

It is ridiculous how some people in here are trying to discredit the Pats by saying the competition isn't as good as it should be. The Pats played the other three division winners in the AFC and three playoff teams in the NFC. There is a salary cap that keeps the playing field more level than any other sport. It's just what it seems. There is no great separation that didn't exist in the past. The Pats still have a way to go before being crowned as the greatest ever, but the comparisons are certainly warranted by their success so far.

How have I been trying to discredit the Pats. All I said was that seeming disparity b/w the haves and have nots is seemingly wide and that is only a variable in the potential debate of greatest teams ever. And that's it.

:lol You are a bigger homer than the Pats fans .... Relex or I'm gonna get suspicious, about Bellbuttonkid, Nasty, Mr. Nasty, Nastyman somehow getting a hold of your password and posting under this name.

Seriously, have you seen other teams play that doesn't involve that Pats, Indy, Dallas etc .... They suck!

I'd hate to see someone say anything about your actual home team.

[jimibadfish]

How have I been trying to discredit the Pats. All I said was that seeming disparity b/w the haves and have nots is seemingly wide and that is only a variable in the potential debate of greatest teams ever. And that's it.

:lol You are a bigger homer than the Pats fans .... Relex or I'm gonna get suspicious, about Bellbuttonkid, Nasty, Mr. Nasty, Nastyman somehow getting a hold of your password and posting under this name.

Seriously, have you seen other teams play that doesn't involve that Pats, Indy, Dallas etc .... They suck!

First of, quit thinking I'm addressing you unless I actually quote your posts directly. But no, not all the teams outside of Indy, Dallas, etc (? wtf) suck. There are playoff teams and then there is the rest of the league. It is ridiculous for anyone to say that there is a huge gap between the teams that didn't exist in the past. The Pats beat the three other AFC division winners. I guess all three of them suck as well. Ridiculous.

[dmbmuskie]

The Pats still have a long way to go and many great teams stand in their way, but you can't just write off what they've done to get to this position.

Of course the NFL's not evenly matched. If it was, what would be the point in playing games? You play games to see who is the best. However, there are still games that are lost by the "better" team. NE was by far the best team over the course of the regular season. That fact is not arguable. Obviously, the teams that were the best wound up winning their division. The Packers certainly weren't supposed to be in the position they are at the beginning of the year. Three teams in each conference missed the playoffs after making the playoffs last year (four division winners changed.) Sure there are teams that are up over the past few years due to great management, but to act like there is no change in the league from year to year is just foolish. It seems like you will do whatever you can to discredit the Pats. They are the team to beat. They have been the best thus far. Only team ever to win 16 regular season games. Trying to discredit them is discrediting the entire league, which I guess is what you're trying to do.

The elite players in the league today would be elite in any era.

What they've done is have a great season, but it doesn't mean shit unless they win the Super Bowl.

It's impossible to compare teams from different eras because the game has changed so much over time. The same goes for players, because their training has changed so much over time. How dominant would Joe Greene or Jim Brown be today?

Yeah, the whole talk about the '07 pats being the best team in NFL history really hurts the legacy.

It's easy to call the Pats great today, but 20 years from now people might few things very differently.

during their undefeated season, the pats played teams with a higher winning percentage than the dolphins did during theirs. fyi.

I don't think many people consider the Dolphins to be the best of all time. If it wasn't for the Patriots success this year, the Dolphins wouldn't be getting the press they are getting.

moss and welker haven't won shit yet. they'll play for below market value to stay with the bets team in the nfl. tom brady did. they will follow

You're assuming they're the same type of person Brady is. There is no guarnatee the Pats want them back, especially if they don't win the Super Bowl.

It is ridiculous how some people in here are trying to discredit the Pats by saying the competition isn't as good as it should be. The Pats played the other three division winners in the AFC and three playoff teams in the NFC. There is a salary cap that keeps the playing field more level than any other sport. It's just what it seems. There is no great separation that didn't exist in the past. The Pats still have a way to go before being crowned as the greatest ever, but the comparisons are certainly warranted by their success so far.

They beat teams who had success this year, but look at what is actually going on with those teams. Mike Tomlin, Norv Turner, and Wade Phillips aren't Cowher, the Tuna, or Marty.

Just because the field should be level doesn't mean it is.

I disagree. The cheating they were involved in wasn't that serious to many. It probably helped them more in years past than this year considering teams knew the Pats had studied their defensive signal and had time to change them up.

The cheating casts doubt on what they've done in previous years, but not this year.:thumbsup :thumbsup

[dmbhoosier21]

First of, quit thinking I'm addressing you unless I actually quote your posts directly. But no, not all the teams outside of Indy, Dallas, etc (? wtf) suck. There are playoff teams and then there is the rest of the league. It is ridiculous for anyone to say that there is a huge gap between the teams that didn't exist in the past. The Pats beat the three other AFC division winners. I guess all three of them suck as well. Ridiculous.


First of, who is your "hometown" team? Just curious, plus I have to make sure not to say anything that may be perceived negatively about the said team b/c ...... damn you defend the Pats and Moss more vehemently than most Pats fans and I'd hate to see how you'd react if I critiqued your actual team.

Secondly, what? I have not said anything directly about the strength or weakness of the Pats schedule. Nor have I been comparing past teams to current teams.

Again, all I've said is that OVERALL there does seem be a lack of parity in the league as a whole. This is only an opinion, but if one has watched enough games this year and compare the play of NE, Indy, etc .. compared to the rest of league, I don't think the above sentiment is ridiculous.

Good god man, I'm sorry if I have offended you and your Pats, but it's only opinion. Relax and take a deep breath. :D

[dmbhoosier21]

you'll be surprised, i'm sure.

Either you have a case of wishful thinking (can't blame you) or you are just thinking much too highly of professional players.

Ultimately for this players, it is a job, a way to make money regardless of all the sports cliches out there.

But you are right, if Moss did end up leaving millions of dollars on the table just to play for the Pats, I would be very surprised.

Not saying it can't happen, just sayin' odds are Moss will want to get paid, just like most every professional athletes.

[jimibadfish]

First of, who is your "hometown" team? Just curious, plus I have to make sure not to say anything that may be perceived negatively about the said team b/c ...... damn you defend the Pats and Moss more vehemently than most Pats fans and I'd hate to see how you'd react if I critiqued your actual team.

Secondly, what? I have not said anything directly about the strength or weakness of the Pats schedule. Nor have I been comparing past teams to current teams.

Again, all I've said is that OVERALL there does seem be a lack of parity in the league as a whole. This is only an opinion, but if one has watched enough games this year and compare the play of NE, Indy, etc .. compared to the rest of league, I don't think the above sentiment is ridiculous.

Good god man, I'm sorry if I have offended you and your Pats, but it's only opinion. Relax and take a deep breath. :D

You said earlier in this thread that teams having better records (which the Pats competition have had compared to the 71 dolphins) is a sign of teams in the league being more evenly matched. Now what is it that you really believe?

I'm a saints fan. They are a great example of parity from last year to this year. As are the Bears who ended their playoff hopes. I really just don't think there is a huge dropoff when you go from the best teams that are not NE to the rest of the league. They are certainly beatable, but it will take a great team playing their best ball to do it.

I look at what the pats have done and see that it is the greatest accomplishment in the history of the NFL regular season. There are no signs that they were given an easy road or any signs that they will be beaten in the playoffs. They still have a way to go, but as it stands they are legitamately compared to the greatest teams of all time.

[Ant#10]

People just like to discredit the Pats to satisfy their hatred of them...

I find it hilarious how much energy some people put into hating them.

[cruscott35]

People just like to discredit the Pats to satisfy their hatred of them...

I find it hilarious how much energy some people put into hating them.

How can you say someone hates the Pats when you've never met them?

[dmbgodagirl41]

People just like to discredit the Pats to satisfy their hatred of them...

I find it hilarious how much energy some people put into hating them.

Eh, not a huge deal though. I hate the Yankees, Peyton Manning, Don Shula, and Michael Flatley with an undying burning passion.

[dmbmuskie]

People just like to discredit the Pats to satisfy their hatred of them...

I find it hilarious how much energy some people put into hating them.

I find it hillarious that people refuse to listen to the other side of the argument because of their blind devotion.

[jimibadfish]

I find it hillarious that people refuse to listen to the other side of the argument because of their blind devotion.

When people say things like, "NE has beaten the three other AFC division winners and three playoff teams from the NFC," what feelings does that incite in your tiny little brain?

If you don't think the league is worth a shit right now, you are more of a fucking idiot than I can express.

[dmbmuskie]

When people say things like, "NE has beaten the three other AFC division winners and three playoff teams from the NFC," what feelings does that incite in your tiny little brain?

If you don't think the league is worth a shit right now, you are more of a fucking idiot than I can express.

They built a banged up Colts team and beat two other teams trying trying to replace HOF coaches.

Look at the league today, and compare it to even a few years ago. It's not the same league.

I can't find the info anywhere, but I don't remember teams going 14-2 or better very often. The last 4 AFC top seeds have.

[jimibadfish]

16 seasons since 1980 have seen a team go at least 14-2. The last four years there have been 3 different teams do it.

[Ant#10]

I find it hillarious that people refuse to listen to the other side of the argument because of their blind devotion.

Riiight. :rolleyes

And trust me, we listen to the other side of the "arguement". It's all is talked about around here. You guys can find nothing to talk about other than your hatred of New England. THAT'S what I find pathetic and laughable.

Do us Pats fans make a serious Bash Peyton Manning thread or Bash the Steelers or whatever? No. Know why? Because we concern ourselves with OUR teams and we care a lot about what THEY do, not with other teams in the NFL like so many of you around here love to do.

So again, :lol :lol :lol :lol

[Ant#10]

They built a banged up Colts team and beat two other teams trying trying to replace HOF coaches.

Look at the league today, and compare it to even a few years ago. It's not the same league.

I can't find the info anywhere, but I don't remember teams going 14-2 or better very often. The last 4 AFC top seeds have.


Go ahead, keep discrediting what New England did this year. It's not getting old one bit. :rolleyes

How'd we play against your Steelers team? Oh right, the Steelers gave it away right?

And Holmes isnt a good WR, or he is amazing, wait, Big Ben doesnt have any good WR to throw to, no Holmes is awesome, or is he? Make up your fucking mind you flip flop.

[DMBtheStoned]

Riiight. :rolleyes

And trust me, we listen to the other side of the "arguement". It's all is talked about around here. You guys can find nothing to talk about other than your hatred of New England. THAT'S what I find pathetic and laughable.


Dude c'mon, you act like this is the only thread on ants and everybody just posts in here. Why do you care so much when people bash or say anything about the Pats?

[dmbmuskie]

Riiight. :rolleyes

And trust me, we listen to the other side of the "arguement". It's all is talked about around here. You guys can find nothing to talk about other than your hatred of New England. THAT'S what I find pathetic and laughable.

Do us Pats fans make a serious Bash Peyton Manning thread or Bash the Steelers or whatever? No. Know why? Because we concern ourselves with OUR teams and we care a lot about what THEY do, not with other teams in the NFL like so many of you around here love to do.

So again, :lol :lol :lol :lol

Go ahead, keep discrediting what New England did this year. It's not getting old one bit. :rolleyes

How'd we play against your Steelers team? Oh right, the Steelers gave it away right?

And Holmes isnt a good WR, or he is amazing, wait, Big Ben doesnt have any good WR to throw to, no Holmes is awesome, or is he? Make up your fucking mind you flip flop.

Why don't you cut the personal attacks and discuss the valid point people make.

How many times do I have to say what NE did is impressive, but it doesn't mean shit. As a Steeler fan I know better than about anyone that regular season success doesn't mean shit without a title.

You used to be in the Steelers and Colts thread, so paying attention to your team is alone is a new concept for you.

It cracks me up that you get hung up on something weeks old that I clarified for you time and time again.

[jimibadfish]

Why don't you cut the personal attacks and discuss the valid point people make.

I have never seen you acknowledge a valid point that didn't comport with your own beliefs. Whenever you just stop posting on a topic I assume that you agree, but there is never any acknowledgement. And you do flip flop and make paper thin excuses constantly.

Here's your chance...

What do you think about the fact that 16 seasons have seen a 14-2 team since 1980?

[dmbmuskie]

I have never seen you acknowledge a valid point that didn't comport with your own beliefs. Whenever you just stop posting on a topic I assume that you agree, but there is never any acknowledgement. And you do flip flop and make paper thin excuses constantly.

Here's your chance...

What do you think about the fact that 16 seasons have seen a 14-2 team since 1980?

I cannot come up with that many for the life of me. Where did you find the list at?

I'm not saying you are wrong, but the number seems a bit high. I've got teams the last 4 seasons, Denver, Minnesota, Atlanta, San Fran, and Chicago.

Philly might have done it as well in the last few years.

[jimibadfish]

I went to NFL.com and went through the standings each season since 1980. The 49ers did it like 4 times.

[Trippin4136]

Since 1980:

1983 Washington Redskins
1984 San Francisco 49ers (15-1)
1984 Miami Dolphins
1985 Chicago Bears (15-1)
1986 Chicago Bears
1986 New York Giants
1989 San Francisco 49ers
1990 San Francisco 49ers
1991 Washington Redskins
1992 San Francisco 49ers
1998 Denver Broncos
1998 Minnesota Vikings (15-1)
1998 Atlanta Falcons
1999 Jacksonville Jaguars
2001 St. Louis Rams
2003 New England Patriots
2004 New England Patriots
2004 Pittsburgh Steelers (15-1)
2005 Indianapolis Colts
2006 San Diego Chargers
2007 New England Patriots (16-0)

You all are welcome :)

[dmbmuskie]

There have been more teams than I thought having that kind of success, but they're occuring at a higher rate than they have before.

It might be easier to do with only 6 division games instead of 8, but I don't think you can prove that either way.

[jimibadfish]

Since 1980:

1983 Washington Redskins
1984 San Francisco 49ers (15-1)
1984 Miami Dolphins
1985 Chicago Bears (15-1)
1986 Chicago Bears
1986 New York Giants
1989 San Francisco 49ers
1990 San Francisco 49ers
1991 Washington Redskins
1992 San Francisco 49ers
1998 Denver Broncos
1998 Minnesota Vikings (15-1)
1998 Atlanta Falcons
1999 Jacksonville Jaguars
2001 St. Louis Rams
2003 New England Patriots
2004 New England Patriots
2004 Pittsburgh Steelers (15-1)
2005 Indianapolis Colts
2006 San Diego Chargers
2007 New England Patriots (16-0)

You all are welcome :)

Thanks man.

[dmbmuskie]

I'm 99% sure there's a more teams who didn't win the Super Bowl than teams that did.

[jimibadfish]

Yep, but the league has always seen powerful teams come and go. It's not a new phenomenon. The Cowboys were great for many a year, and they aren't found on that list.

[dmbmuskie]

Yep, but the league has always seen powerful teams come and go. It's not a new phenomenon. The Cowboys were great for many a year, and they aren't found on that list.

They're great because they won Super Bowls not because of their regular season record.

[jimibadfish]

They're great because they won Super Bowls not because of their regular season record.

That list doesn't support the argument that the league is more talent heavy in a few teams now than in eras past.

The Cowboys did win 12+ games 5 seasons in a row. Regular season success correlates with the playoff success. The only other team to ever be undefeated through the regular season won the super bowl.

[Ant#10]

Why don't you cut the personal attacks and discuss the valid point people make.

How many times do I have to say what NE did is impressive, but it doesn't mean shit. As a Steeler fan I know better than about anyone that regular season success doesn't mean shit without a title.

You used to be in the Steelers and Colts thread, so paying attention to your team is alone is a new concept for you.

It cracks me up that you get hung up on something weeks old that I clarified for you time and time again.

I have maybe 4 posts combined IF THAT in those two threads you mentioned.

Nice try.

[dmbgodagirl41]

Riiight. :rolleyes

And trust me, we listen to the other side of the "arguement". It's all is talked about around here. You guys can find nothing to talk about other than your hatred of New England. THAT'S what I find pathetic and laughable.

Do us Pats fans make a serious Bash Peyton Manning thread or Bash the Steelers or whatever? No. Know why? Because we concern ourselves with OUR teams and we care a lot about what THEY do, not with other teams in the NFL like so many of you around here love to do.

So again, :lol :lol :lol :lol

:eek I should make an anti-Fat F*cking Forehead thread.

;)

[dmbhoosier21]

:eek I should make an anti-Fat F*cking Forehead thread.

;)

:violent

Then I'll come in that said thread to WHINE and bitch like an 8 yr. old girl, telling everyone who posts in that thread that they are losers with no life b/c they are talking about a player and team that's not their "own"

Get a life Katie! You've got nothing to do with Manning yet you keep talking about him; GRRRRRRRRR!

:rolleyes Now I know how a certain poster feels like.

[jiggajm18]

There have been more teams than I thought having that kind of success, but they're occuring at a higher rate than they have before.

It might be easier to do with only 6 division games instead of 8, but I don't think you can prove that either way.

not really.

take a look at that chart again. in each of the past 3 decades (2000 is not over yet, obviously), a 14-2 or better record has occured 7 times. in each of the past 3 decades. in 1998 and 1999 it happened 4 times! that's the most in a two years span in the past 3 decades. you saying that it occurs more frequently now compared to the past few years is 100% wrong.

[dmbgodagirl41]

:violent

Then I'll come in that said thread to WHINE and bitch like an 8 yr. old girl, telling everyone who posts in that thread that they are losers with no life b/c they are talking about a player and team that's not their "own"

Get a life Katie! You've got nothing to do with Manning yet you keep talking about him; GRRRRRRRRR!

:rolleyes Now I know how a certain poster feels like.

:lol
haaaaaaaa he has a fat fore head. hehehehe

wait, how can i say that if i've never actually SEEN a boeing 747 land on it? CRAP!!!!!!

*runs out sobbing*

[dmbhoosier21]

:lol
haaaaaaaa he has a fat fore head. hehehehe

wait, how can i say that if i've never actually SEEN a boeing 747 land on it? CRAP!!!!!!

*runs out sobbing*

:lorraine Why do you have to be so hateful?

Please, can't we all just mingle among our own kind and not talk about each other's teams and players.

b/c we all know if people talk about another team or player that's not their own, you open yourself up for personal attacks b/c if you talk about another team/player you are a loser with nothing else better to do.

All this smack talk about Manning is really starting to cut real deep.

[chr35919]

all manning needs is a larger helmet and no one would say anything. welker needs one too.

[DMBtheStoned]

Cheaters!

[dmbmuskie]

not really.

take a look at that chart again. in each of the past 3 decades (2000 is not over yet, obviously), a 14-2 or better record has occured 7 times. in each of the past 3 decades. in 1998 and 1999 it happened 4 times! that's the most in a two years span in the past 3 decades. you saying that it occurs more frequently now compared to the past few years is 100% wrong.

How am I 100% wrong? There have been more teams with a 14-2 or better record since 2003 than in the rest of the cap era combined.

[dmbgodagirl41]

:lorraine Why do you have to be so hateful?

Please, can't we all just mingle among our own kind and not talk about each other's teams and players.

b/c we all know if people talk about another team or player that's not their own, you open yourself up for personal attacks b/c if you talk about another team/player you are a loser with nothing else better to do.

All this smack talk about Manning is really starting to cut real deep.

ha! fat fore head.

;)

oh and whomever said Wessy needs a bigger helmet needs to understand that receding hairline does not = actual huge forehead.

[dmbhoosier21]

ha! fat fore head.

;)


You're such a loser and you are pathetic! Why do you keep making fun of a player that's not even on "your" team.

^ sarcasm, you know I'm crazy for you :D

[Ant#10]

:lorraine Why do you have to be so hateful?

Please, can't we all just mingle among our own kind and not talk about each other's teams and players.

b/c we all know if people talk about another team or player that's not their own, you open yourself up for personal attacks b/c if you talk about another team/player you are a loser with nothing else better to do.

All this smack talk about Manning is really starting to cut real deep.

wow just wow.

[dmbhoosier21]

wow just wow.

:confused what?

I agree with you.

Thanks to Katie's continious bashing of poor Manning and his grossly enlarged forehead - I have seen that it is indeed pathetic to continually discuss another team/player that is not your "own"

I have seen the light :D

[dmbgodagirl41]

You're such a loser and you are pathetic! Why do you keep making fun of a player that's not even on "your" team.

^ sarcasm, you know I'm crazy for you :D

but but but but but FORE HEAD IS HUUUUUUUUUUGE!!!

*throws self on the floor kicking and screaming, and pounding fists*
:lorraine :lorraine :lorraine

[dmbhoosier21]

but but but but but FORE HEAD IS HUUUUUUUUUUGE!!!

*throws self on the floor kicking and screaming, and pounding fists*
:lorraine :lorraine :lorraine

That's what I like to see :evil

Hope that teaches you to talk smack about Manning or any other player or team that is not related to the Pats.

[Dancing Ants]

but but but but but FORE HEAD IS HUUUUUUUUUUGE!!!

*throws self on the floor kicking and screaming, and pounding fists*
:lorraine :lorraine :lorraine

your pre-game breakdown of the cowboys/pats game from october is pretty funny.