Bonds will boycott HOF if ball has asterisk

[SoRight24]

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3090631

"I won't go. I won't be part of it," Bonds said in an interview with MSNBC that aired Thursday night. "You can call me, but I won't be there."

Good Barry, nobody wants you in the Hall anyways.

[Dancing Ants]

see it all works out just like it's supposed to.

[rickyh24]

yep hes embarrassed :lol i love it

[chr35919]

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3090631

"I won't go. I won't be part of it," Bonds said in an interview with MSNBC that aired Thursday night. "You can call me, but I won't be there."

Good Barry, nobody wants you in the Hall anyways.exactly. it'll make the decision easier for everyone.

[HolyCow]

Man this is awful. I don't blame Barry. It's a disgrace that someone would disrespect baseball and this great record by doing that.

[BotheDMBFan]

I will boycott right with him.

[Ev42]

yep hes embarrassed :lol i love it

:thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup

[mojo1210]

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3090631

"I won't go. I won't be part of it," Bonds said in an interview with MSNBC that aired Thursday night. "You can call me, but I won't be there."

Good Barry, nobody wants you in the Hall anyways.
booo hooo. barry bonds is about as cool as butch taylor. and for those taking notes, that isn't very cool.

[rickyh24]

booo hooo. barry bonds is about as cool as butch taylor. and for those taking notes, that isn't very cool.



butch > barry bonds

[TGaucho]

Man this is awful. I don't blame Barry. It's a disgrace that someone would disrespect baseball and this great record by doing that.
agreed. :thumbsup :(

[chr35919]

Man this is awful. I don't blame Barry. It's a disgrace that someone would disrespect baseball and this great record by doing that.:ugh

[chr35919]

since when do people support barry bonds?

[BotheDMBFan]

I have been for years.

[rickyh24]

I have been for years.



i did for some time too

[chr35919]

bonds may be the most filthy true slugger of all time.

[SoRight24]

I have been for years.

You also support OJ Simpson and Mike Tyson.

So therefore, you don't count in situations like these Bo. :lol

[TGaucho]

I have been for years.
as have I. :thumbsup

[rickyh24]

bonds may be the most filthy true slugger of all time.



you could say the same for Griffey


if he did roids.

[BotheDMBFan]

You also support OJ Simpson and Mike Tyson.

So therefore, you don't count in situations like these Bo. :lol

I do support OJ, but Mike...I just like.

I'm also surprised you didn't bring up my ardent support of Jello Biafra, and Michael Vick.

[chr35919]

you could say the same for Griffey


if he did roids.....

[SoRight24]

you could say the same for Griffey


if he did roids.

If Griffey's swing was a chick, I'd have sex with it.

[BotheDMBFan]

you could say the same for Griffey


if he did roids.

How do you know he didn't?

[ProudestAnt]

Great idea guys, let's support a guy who has already admitted to using steroids, then only a year later began denying it until our ears bled...:thumbsup

[chr35919]

http://r_harrison.tripod.com/Agonist/BarryBonds.jpg

[TGaucho]

If Griffey's swing was a chick, I'd have sex with it.
:lol :lol

i'm sorry but i'm stealing that one. That's fucking great

[BotheDMBFan]

Great idea guys, let's support a guy who has already admitted to using steroids, then only a year later began denying it until our ears bled...:thumbsup

It's not so much that I don't think he did steroids; it's that I don't care if he/anyone else did/does.

[rickyh24]

If Griffey's swing was a chick, I'd have sex with it.



its the sweetest swing ever...he is responsible for the 24 in my user name.

[SoRight24]

It's not so much that I don't think he did steroids; it's that I don't care if he/anyone else did/does.

Translation: Cubs fans will do anything to win a World Series.

[rickyh24]

How do you know he didn't?



griffey didn't even lift till he got leg injuries

[BotheDMBFan]

Translation: Cubs fans will do anything to win a World Series.

Nothing like that at all my man(Besides, we didn't win shit doing it any damn ways.)

[rickyh24]

http://r_harrison.tripod.com/Agonist/BarryBonds.jpg



and that is how i know griffey didnt roid up....that is crazy

[chr35919]

http://boortz.com/images/congrats_barry_bonds.jpg

[SoRight24]

Nothing like that at all my man(Besides, we didn't win shit doing it any damn ways.)

I figured.

I just wanted to rag on you some more for being a Cubs fan.

[SoRight24]

:lol :lol

i'm sorry but i'm stealing that one. That's fucking great

:thumbsup :thumbsup

[rickyh24]

http://boortz.com/images/congrats_barry_bonds.jpg



awesome

[SoRight24]

Barrioid is probably crying in his sleep right now.

[GavMan33]

Here's my problem. I believe Bonds used steroids, I believe there should be an asterisk next to his record. Here's my problem.

Who gives the guy that put the asterisk on the ball that right? He doesn't have the right to decide what has an asterisk and what doesn't, just like we don't. That decision should be left up to people in baseball. I have a very big problem with that guy marking the record breaking HR ball with something he has no right to do....

[rickyh24]

Here's my problem. I believe Bonds used steroids, I believe there should be an asterisk next to his record. Here's my problem.

Who gives the guy that put the asterisk on the ball that right? He doesn't have the right to decide what has an asterisk and what doesn't, just like we don't. That decision should be left up to people in baseball. I have a very big problem with that guy marking the record breaking HR ball with something he has no right to do....



yeah but he kinda owned the ball

[GavMan33]

yeah but he kinda owned the ball

He defamed a piece of baseball history. A MAJOR piece of baseball history. The most sacred of all records, probably in all of major American sports. Yes, it's tainted. But it's still the record ball. Maybe saying it's not his "right" isn't the correct way to say it.

He had an online poll? What the hell did he expect people to say? Bonds is one of the most universally hated people in America today. Just the whole thing has been handled terribly. I wish somebody with a thread of class would have ended up with the ball. Now all that's happening is dirty people mixed with dirty people....

[rickyh24]

He defamed a piece of baseball history. A MAJOR piece of baseball history. The most sacred of all records, probably in all of major American sports. Yes, it's tainted. But it's still the record ball. Maybe saying it's not his "right" isn't the correct way to say it.

He had an online poll? What the hell did he expect people to say? Bonds is one of the most universally hated people in America today. Just the whole thing has been handled terribly. I wish somebody with a thread of class would have ended up with the ball. Now all that's happening is dirty people mixed with dirty people....



and what do you call what Bonds did to baseball history?

[jaking1185]

The saddest part is Bonds was one of the greatest players ever before he ever got involved with steroids. He didn't have to go through this, but his ambition did him in.

[Tiduwho]

and what do you call what Bonds did to baseball history?

Truth pwned. :thumbsup

[SoRight24]

Yep, we all make choices.

Bonds made his, and now he has to live with it.

[mojo1210]

what is even worse:

"Matt Murphy, a 21-year-old student and construction supervisor from New York, emerged from a scuffle holding the ball. He said he decided to sell it because he couldn't afford to pay the taxes required to keep it."

why the fuck do you have to pay tax if you keep a hr ball. :thumbsdow

[Jimi's Thing]

Now I hate Barry Bonds as much as the next guy...but let's face it, that is such a dick move on the Hall of Fame's part to display that ball. You're glorifying the retard who was actually stupid enough to pay an obscene amount of money for that ball and then destroy it. Displaying the ball, in my eyes, is almost as bad as putting him in there after he gets indicted.

The Hall of Fame should leave it up to the Writers to block Barry's entry. They did it to McGwire, and they'll probably do it for Bonds. I mean fuck, they better.

[rickyh24]

what is even worse:

"Matt Murphy, a 21-year-old student and construction supervisor from New York, emerged from a scuffle holding the ball. He said he decided to sell it because he couldn't afford to pay the taxes required to keep it."

why the fuck do you have to pay tax if you keep a hr ball. :thumbsdow



supply and demand the demand for that ball was pretty high....the government sucks pretty much.

[rickyh24]

The saddest part is Bonds was one of the greatest players ever before he ever got involved with steroids. He didn't have to go through this, but his ambition did him in.



your right he was a 40-40 man before he fucked up....


this is why i cant wait until arod passes him, none of this shit will matter.

[SoRight24]

what is even worse:

"Matt Murphy, a 21-year-old student and construction supervisor from New York, emerged from a scuffle holding the ball. He said he decided to sell it because he couldn't afford to pay the taxes required to keep it."

why the fuck do you have to pay tax if you keep a hr ball. :thumbsdow

Because the government owns us. :twak

[rickyh24]

Because the government owns us. :twak


yup its sad..they must have had to pay taxes on what ecko paid them for the ball....im guessing.

[SoRight24]

yup its sad..they must have had to pay taxes on what ecko paid them for the ball....im guessing.

At least this is taking some time away from Marc making his shitty clothes.

[rickyh24]

At least this is taking some time away from Marc making his shitty clothes.

:lol that is the truth

[BotheDMBFan]

Barrioid is probably crying in his sleep right now.
Into a pillow of money.

[chr35919]

Into a pillow of money.and deep deep denial

[BotheDMBFan]

and deep deep denial

And a bed of money.

[VanHorneDog]

what a fool, its what he wants and he is going to give it away becuase people dont like him? fucking idiot, if he doenst go i say he isnt allowed in.

[chr35919]

And a bed of money.and shrunken balls and an enlarged head.

[BotheDMBFan]

Eh, he can pay to fix that stuff...if he wanted to.

[BlueWaterBF36]

Great. I am sure everyone will be thrilled for him not to be there.

[dowling25]

Man this is awful. I don't blame Barry. It's a disgrace that someone would disrespect baseball and this great record by doing that.

i agree. there has been no proof he did steroids. i think ppl can be so stupid about this situation. and i used to hate bonds, but now i like him a lot more. he's still innocent and ppl should realize that.

[gryspn41]

i agree. there has been no proof he did steroids. i think ppl can be so stupid about this situation. and i used to hate bonds, but now i like him a lot more. he's still innocent and ppl should realize that.


Well it's just really sad that he has been singled out because IMO he broke Aaron's record. There is nothing else he has done in his career that would cause this much outcry,. Do i think he's guilty, yes, but i do not think he deserves the kind of treatment he has gotten in the public the past few years. Pretty sad to see, seeing as thee are numerous other players in the league who have used the same substances and not gotten the same flac.

Roger

[jimibadfish]

Good for Barry. Fuck the man.

[jimibadfish]

and what do you call what Bonds did to baseball history?

The same thing the majority of other major leaguers are doing to baseball history.

[dmbowa]

does anyone know the placement and size of the asterisk on the ball?? wouldn't it be easy for the hall of fame to display the ball so the asterisk cant be seen?

and ya know, I'm sad that a piece of baseball history is defiled, however I think it is important for future generations to know the problems of the game at this point in time. Steroids is a problem. It's cheating, its unhealthy, and its not fair to those who play the game clean (and don't tell me there arent any that do, because if you truly believe that, then you are just cynical and in denial). I'm sorry that the example is being made out of Barry Bonds, but he hasnt really made it much easier on himself since he is such a nice guy (ha!). And Bonds taking himself out of the Hall of Fame to me is the perfect way to prove to future generations of baseball players and other athletes that in cheating in anyway, you risk not only your career, but your reputation and your legacy. Any whisper of foul play can ruin those, and I'm hoping people will learn from that. I love baseball too much and hope that this is the beginning of the turn around.

[1eyed_jack]

at first i was against the asterisk, but really it's quite fitting. god forbid 100 years from now someone see that ball and not think of steroids. it's perfect for the state baseball was in during the time period. people shouldn't forget that most of his home runs were hit under steroid suspicion, it is very relevant

[SoRight24]

i agree. there has been no proof he did steroids. i think ppl can be so stupid about this situation. and i used to hate bonds, but now i like him a lot more. he's still innocent and ppl should realize that.

http://r_harrison.tripod.com/Agonist/BarryBonds.jpg

:rolleyes

[GavMan33]

at first i was against the asterisk, but really it's quite fitting. god forbid 100 years from now someone see that ball and not think of steroids. it's perfect for the state baseball was in during the time period. people shouldn't forget that most of his home runs were hit under steroid suspicion, it is very relevant

If you look on the last page, I was really against the asterisk, 100%. But after reading this post, maybe you're right. It's something to show for the steroid era in sports. It represents this time in the history of baseball, and the Hall of Fame is supposed to show the history of baseball. May be coming around :thumbsup

[dowling25]

http://r_harrison.tripod.com/Agonist/BarryBonds.jpg

:rolleyes



or how about this stuff

http://www.iusb.edu/~sbsac/img/freeweights.jpg

i think that could work too.

[SoRight24]

or how about this stuff

http://www.iusb.edu/~sbsac/img/freeweights.jpg

i think that could work too.

Do they have weights that make your head 8 times bigger?

[pauly8509]

Have you been living under a rock?

His trainer is in jail, his supplier (Conte) may go to jail. He used the clear and the cream which he had "mistaken" for flaxseed oil. It's a joke if you think Bonds didn't take steroids, or that there's no "evidence." Proof is what you need? How about after being healthy his whole career he suddenly begins to break down, and I'm not talking age related stuff, his numbers are still pretty damn good, these injuries are due to muscles and such breaking down due to use of anabolic steroids. I had to write a research paper on this whole thing a few years ago when the congressional hearings were going on, I studied as much as I could about this and it just further makes Bonds look like an arrogant, self-righteous prick.

Normally I'm at least entertained by dirtbags like Milton Bradley, Albert Belle, Carl Everett, Ron Artest, PacMan Jones, Tank Johnson but this guy, Bonds, I just can't like because he's made himself purposely unlikeable.

[gryspn41]

Have you been living under a rock?

His trainer is in jail, his supplier (Conte) may go to jail. He used the clear and the cream which he had "mistaken" for flaxseed oil. It's a joke if you think Bonds didn't take steroids, or that there's no "evidence." Proof is what you need? How about after being healthy his whole career he suddenly begins to break down, and I'm not talking age related stuff, his numbers are still pretty damn good, these injuries are due to muscles and such breaking down due to use of anabolic steroids. I had to write a research paper on this whole thing a few years ago when the congressional hearings were going on, I studied as much as I could about this and it just further makes Bonds look like an arrogant, self-righteous prick.

Normally I'm at least entertained by dirtbags like Milton Bradley, Albert Belle, Carl Everett, Ron Artest, PacMan Jones, Tank Johnson but this guy, Bonds, I just can't like because he's made himself purposely unlikeable.


So you don't like Bonds and therefore hold HIM accountable for doing something countless others in the league have done?? Why is there no outcry for these other players to be publicly smeared?? Just because someone isn't like in the media doesn't mean his whole career should be dismissed. Bonds, whether you like it or not is one of the best 5 players in MLB history. By far the best player I have seen in my time.

Roger

[dowling25]

Do they have weights that make your head 8 times bigger?


I didn't know his head grew 8 times bigger. that seems like a lot for one head to grow to me...

[pauly8509]

So you don't like Bonds and therefore hold HIM accountable for doing something countless others in the league have done?? Why is there no outcry for these other players to be publicly smeared?? Just because someone isn't like in the media doesn't mean his whole career should be dismissed. Bonds, whether you like it or not is one of the best 5 players in MLB history. By far the best player I have seen in my time.

Roger


Where did I ever excuse anyone else for using steroids? I lived in Chicago during the Steroid Sammy Sosa era, I hate steroids, and I hope that Big Frank isn't implicated when they release the names of everyone who failed steroids tests. Barry Bonds was hallbound anyway, the fact that he was so immersed in himself so that he could watch himself hit 70 homers is disgusting to me. Someone with all the talent in the world switches from being a 5-tooler to power hitting DH who can no longer run, throw, or play the field. His whole career from 2001-now should be fucking dismissed as steroid aided BS. Same goes for anyone else busted, Giambi stole an MVP from Big Frank in 2000! So no, I don't think everyone should focus all their attention on Bonds, however, he is the one SETTING STEROID AIDED RECORDS. If you don't understand that he's bringing the limelight to himself you're extremely naive.

[dmbowa]

So you don't like Bonds and therefore hold HIM accountable for doing something countless others in the league have done?? Why is there no outcry for these other players to be publicly smeared?? Just because someone isn't like in the media doesn't mean his whole career should be dismissed. Bonds, whether you like it or not is one of the best 5 players in MLB history. By far the best player I have seen in my time.

Roger

One of the best sluggers, maybe, but best players??? no way. There's more to being a baseball player than just hitting homeruns.

[UNC41]

i agree. there has been no proof he did steroids. i think ppl can be so stupid about this situation. and i used to hate bonds, but now i like him a lot more. he's still innocent and ppl should realize that.

Except Barry admitting it ...

[UNC41]

One of the best sluggers, maybe, but best players??? no way. There's more to being a baseball player than just hitting homeruns.

He also won eight Gold Gloves and swiped more than 500 bases ...

[SoRight24]

I didn't know his head grew 8 times bigger. that seems like a lot for one head to grow to me...

It was sarcasm.

If you actually look at that picture and think he did all of that with weights, you are pretty naive.

Plus, Barry himself ADMITTED to using them.

[mojo1210]

Bonds, whether you like it or not is one of the best 5 players in MLB history.

Roger

:lol

[dmbowa]

He also won eight Gold Gloves and swiped more than 500 bases ...


i tried to forget about the gold gloves :twak

but still...he's not one of the top 5 baseball players of all time. no way.

[gryspn41]

:lol

Go look at the stats...and tell me he's not.

All-time single season records

Most home runs (73)
On base percentage (.609)
Slugging percentage (.863)
Walks (232)
On-base slugging (1.422)

All-time Marks

1st in home runs (757)
1st in walks (2,540)
1st in Intentional walks (679)
Only member of the 500/500 club (At least 500 home runs and 500 stolen bases)
2nd in extra base hits (1,432)
3rd in at bats per home run (12.9)
3rd in runs (2,212)
4th in total bases (5,936)
5th in RBI (1,981)
6th in on-base percentage (.444)
6th in slugging percentage (.607)

Awards

7-time MVP
14 All-Star Games
12 Silver Slugger Awards
8 Gold Gloves



Those are some preety salty stats, like him or not. He played in an era when baseball was not policing players and I even think he did do some illegal things in his time. But the numbers he has accrued are among the greatest ever.

Roger

[rickyh24]

i agree. there has been no proof he did steroids. i think ppl can be so stupid about this situation. and i used to hate bonds, but now i like him a lot more. he's still innocent and ppl should realize that.



:lol didn't he admit receiving them? and people have said they have given steroids to bonds. maybe he just threw them out and got that big the natural way.

[mojo1210]

supply and demand the demand for that ball was pretty high....the government sucks pretty much.

but to me this ball is like stock. it should only be taxed on a realized gain or loss. what a joke.

[rickyh24]

but to me this ball is like stock. it should only be taxed on a realized gain or loss. what a joke.



yeah you're probably right...if he never intended on selling it why tax him on it.

[UNC41]

i tried to forget about the gold gloves :twak

but still...he's not one of the top 5 baseball players of all time. no way.

Do you have an argument aside from just saying no? With or without steroids he would still be only baseball player ever with 500 home runs and 500 stolen bases. He'd still be one of four players in the 40/40 club. He'd still have a minimum of three MVPs. There is a good chance he would have 10 or more Gold Gloves.

[gryspn41]

Where did I ever excuse anyone else for using steroids? I lived in Chicago during the Steroid Sammy Sosa era, I hate steroids, and I hope that Big Frank isn't implicated when they release the names of everyone who failed steroids tests. Barry Bonds was hallbound anyway, the fact that he was so immersed in himself so that he could watch himself hit 70 homers is disgusting to me. Someone with all the talent in the world switches from being a 5-tooler to power hitting DH who can no longer run, throw, or play the field. His whole career from 2001-now should be fucking dismissed as steroid aided BS. Same goes for anyone else busted, Giambi stole an MVP from Big Frank in 2000! So no, I don't think everyone should focus all their attention on Bonds, however, he is the one SETTING STEROID AIDED RECORDS. If you don't understand that he's bringing the limelight to himself you're extremely naive.


Again you just said it yourself, if he wasn't the holder of this record then his name wold not be slandered day in and out as it is now. I don't see anyone calling for Selig to step down because IMO he is just as culpable in this situation by allowing this to go on.

Roger

[WHO DEY!!!]

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3090631

"I won't go. I won't be part of it," Bonds said in an interview with MSNBC that aired Thursday night. "You can call me, but I won't be there."

Good Barry, nobody wants you in the Hall anyways.


THEN PUT THE MOTHER FUCKER ON IT !!!

[dmbowa]

Go look at the stats...and tell me he's not.

All-time single season records

Most home runs (73)
On base percentage (.609)
Slugging percentage (.863)
Walks (232)
On-base slugging (1.422)

All-time Marks

1st in home runs (757)
1st in walks (2,540)
1st in Intentional walks (679)
Only member of the 500/500 club (At least 500 home runs and 500 stolen bases)
2nd in extra base hits (1,432)
3rd in at bats per home run (12.9)
3rd in runs (2,212)
4th in total bases (5,936)
5th in RBI (1,981)
6th in on-base percentage (.444)
6th in slugging percentage (.607)

Awards

7-time MVP
14 All-Star Games
12 Silver Slugger Awards
8 Gold Gloves



Those are some preety salty stats, like him or not. He played in an era when baseball was not policing players and I even think he did do some illegal things in his time. But the numbers he has accrued are among the greatest ever.

Roger

yes, great numbers, but the bolded ones have to do almost entirely with his ability to hit home runs, and the italicized ones more than likely owe a large amount to those home runs as well. I'm just saying that yes, he is a great homerun hitter, but I wouldn't call him EXCEPTIONAL for anything other than that in his career as a whole.

[rickyh24]

The same thing the majority of other major leaguers are doing to baseball history.



i don't know about the "majority" some yes...

[gryspn41]

yes, great numbers, but the bolded ones have to do almost entirely with his ability to hit home runs, and the italicized ones more than likely owe a large amount to those home runs as well. I'm just saying that yes, he is a great homerun hitter, but I wouldn't call him EXCEPTIONAL for anything other than that in his career as a whole.


Ok, so 2nd in extra base hits, 7 MVP's, 8 gold gloves, 3rd in RBI's...Those have nothing to do with homeruns as far as numbers go. That means he was so feared as a hitter that people did not want to pitch to him. That's not his fault.

Roger

[dmbowa]

Ok, so 2nd in extra base hits, 7 MVP's, 8 gold gloves, 3rd in RBI's...Those have nothing to do with homeruns as far as numbers go. That means he was so feared as a hitter that people did not want to pitch to him. That's not his fault.

Roger

He was feared as a hitter because of the homeruns. Like I said, he's a great slugger. And how does his ability to hit homeruns have nothing to do with RBI's and MVPs? (And also, would HR's be included in extra base hits, I'd assume not...) Every time he hits a HR he gets at least one RBI and he has been extremely valuable to his teams as a HR hitter, too.
The only point I'm trying to prove is that he is considered great because of his homerun hitting ability and that there are many other players who are better than he is all around.

[UNC41]

The only point I'm trying to prove is that he is considered great because of his homerun hitting ability and that there are many other players who are better than he is all around.

Name another player who won 3 MVPs, hit 500 home runs, stole 500 bases and won 8 Gold Gloves? You can't because Bonds one of the most complete players baseball has ever seen before his "Roid years." He would have all those numbers I just noted with or without steriods. I dislike the guy for what he's done, but there's no denying he is one of the best all-around players ever to step foot on the diamond.

[rickyh24]

he was the complete player before the roids...he pretty much lost every other aspect of his game after he id roids...

[gryspn41]

Name another player who won 3 MVPs, hit 500 home runs, stole 500 bases and won 8 Gold Gloves? You can't because Bonds one of the most complete players baseball has ever seen before his "Roid years." He would have all those numbers I just noted with or without steriods. I dislike the guy for what he's done, but there's no denying he is one of the best all-around players ever to step foot on the diamond.



Like I said he is one of the greatest 5 players ever, whether people want to admit it or not. I'm only 26 years young and he is the best all around player I have ever seen on the diamond.

Roger

[gryspn41]

he was the complete player before the roids...he pretty much lost every other aspect of his game after he id roids...

Well time does take a toll on the body year after year...He got to the point at the plate IMO where he had seen every pitch in the book so many times that he fine tuned his swing and became one of the best ever. His speed slowly decreased and his body just wilted away. People tend to forget that a lot of players, expecially pitchers use roids to get over injuries quicker.

Roger

[gryspn41]

He was feared as a hitter because of the homeruns. Like I said, he's a great slugger. And how does his ability to hit homeruns have nothing to do with RBI's and MVPs? (And also, would HR's be included in extra base hits, I'd assume not...) Every time he hits a HR he gets at least one RBI and he has been extremely valuable to his teams as a HR hitter, too.
The only point I'm trying to prove is that he is considered great because of his homerun hitting ability and that there are many other players who are better than he is all around.


8 gold gloves means his fielding was some of the best in the league for many years. So even if he was a good HR hitter it's obvious that he was an excellent fielder for most of his playing career.

Roger

[neumdogg]

Why does he think this is a threat? This is a GOOD thing.

[dmbowa]

Name another player who won 3 MVPs, hit 500 home runs, stole 500 bases and won 8 Gold Gloves? You can't because Bonds one of the most complete players baseball has ever seen before his "Roid years." He would have all those numbers I just noted with or without steriods. I dislike the guy for what he's done, but there's no denying he is one of the best all-around players ever to step foot on the diamond.

we go pre-roid years and I'm lost (obviously) I still don't believe judging by his entire career he's one of the absolute greatest, but you make a good point, and I apologize for arguing without full knowledge on the subject.

[gryspn41]

we go pre-roid years and I'm lost (obviously) I still don't believe judging by his entire career he's one of the absolute greatest, but you make a good point, and I apologize for arguing without full knowledge on the subject.



I just think people jump on the Home Run stat over and over and think that is the only thing he did well but it's obvious that over his whole career he has put up some of the best numbers at the plate and on the field. Ok, just checked and 7 of the 8 Gold Gloves were won before 1998, with the 8th being in 1998, when the Roid use supposedly began.

Roger

[DMBtheStoned]

good.

[thebestauntie]

Who cares?

[chr35919]

Go look at the stats...and tell me he's not.

All-time single season records

Most home runs (73)
On base percentage (.609)
Slugging percentage (.863)
Walks (232)
On-base slugging (1.422)

All-time Marks

1st in home runs (757)
1st in walks (2,540)
1st in Intentional walks (679)
Only member of the 500/500 club (At least 500 home runs and 500 stolen bases)
2nd in extra base hits (1,432)
3rd in at bats per home run (12.9)
3rd in runs (2,212)
4th in total bases (5,936)
5th in RBI (1,981)
6th in on-base percentage (.444)
6th in slugging percentage (.607)

Awards

7-time MVP
14 All-Star Games
12 Silver Slugger Awards
8 Gold Gloves



Those are some preety salty stats, like him or not. He played in an era when baseball was not policing players and I even think he did do some illegal things in his time. But the numbers he has accrued are among the greatest ever.

Rogerand yet, there's no way in hell they vote him in his first year.

[Shagadelic]

Keep the ball and blast his big ole bobble-headed ass in to outer space

[VanHorneDog]

i agree. there has been no proof he did steroids. i think ppl can be so stupid about this situation. and i used to hate bonds, but now i like him a lot more. he's still innocent and ppl should realize that.

yeah but the thing is, the asterisk isnt about the record. its about the fan perseption of what bonds did during that era.

the asterisk has nothing to do with the hall's thoughts on the matter, they will show that when they wait a year or two to induct him. as a matter of fact i think it should have the asterisk. it will be a better story and the ball will be far more interesting than just that HR ball.

its not about tainting the record, nobody can really put an asterisk on there because he has never tested positive. however the asterisk is there to explain the era and fan perception not taint the record.

if bonds doenst understand that he is an idiot. nobody is going to take his record away from him and only he knows if it truely deserves it or not.

[gryspn41]

yeah but the thing is, the asterisk isnt about the record. its about the fan perseption of what bonds did during that era.

the asterisk has nothing to do with the hall's thoughts on the matter, they will show that when they wait a year or two to induct him. as a matter of fact i think it should have the asterisk. it will be a better story and the ball will be far more interesting than just that HR ball.

its not about tainting the record, nobody can really put an asterisk on there because he has never tested positive. however the asterisk is there to explain the era and fan perception not taint the record.

if bonds doenst understand that he is an idiot. nobody is going to take his record away from him and only he knows if it truely deserves it or not.



But why is it that even though this is the steroid era and there are records being broken all over this ball has to be asterisked?? There is no other memorabilia piece in the HOF that is defaced, why should this one be?? We all know that this record was done under questionable circumstances but that should be something we all know in our heads, not so we can see it in the Hall of Fame. I think it's just stupid also, that this guy who bought the ball, who is a clothing designer, should be able to put forth his opinion. What has he done for baseball,ever? Why should his opinion carry so much weight as to warrant this to happen?? Also, eve if it is fan perception, there is still no positive test result that can prove of any wrong-doing.

Roger

[gryspn41]

and yet, there's no way in hell they vote him in his first year.


As will anyone going in for the next 20 years. The voters have always seemed to pretty stingy with first time inductees.

Roger

[chr35919]

As will anyone going in for the next 20 years. The voters have always seemed to pretty stingy with first time inductees.

Rogernot ones with those stats.

[gryspn41]

not ones with those stats.

i wish i could say that but i think that the MLB has left such a bad taste in the HOF'ers mouths that they will hold him out because they can. Those guys know the situation in the league over the past 10 years or so and the players of this era will ALL pay for it.

Roger

[thebestauntie]

not ones with those stats.
But they do shy away from the controversial players for their first round of voting.

[ProudestAnt]

I love how people conveniently forget how Bonds admitted to using both the clear and the cream...

[barefoot]

Clemens baseball cap could have an asterisk on it also

[pauly8509]

I love how people conveniently forget how Bonds admitted to using both the clear and the cream...

I believe I may have stated that.

[crashintome202]

there are already cheaters in the hall of fame, how come you wont support the best of them in?

[Lcsulla]

Well this has development worries me approximately as much as Ted Kennedy or Cindi Sheehan threatening a vow of silence. :lol

[dowling25]

It was sarcasm.

If you actually look at that picture and think he did all of that with weights, you are pretty naive.

Plus, Barry himself ADMITTED to using them.

then how come he always says he didn't....

[pauly8509]

then how come he always says he didn't....

Ok genius, this is the last time we're going to explain this to you, this time WITH PROOF.


http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2004/12/03/MNGGFA0UDU65.DTL


Barry Bonds told a federal grand jury that he used a clear substance and a cream supplied by the Burlingame laboratory now enmeshed in a sports doping scandal

Big Headed Barry has denied "knowingly" using steroids. That's been the issue.

Giambi, whom I loathe, apologized for pretty much the same load of BS. Which is bullshit, again, because that year he won the MVP he was on 'roids and Frank Thomas, who I hope was not as he was a TE for Auburn and has always been huge, should have won it.

[cruscott35]

One of the best sluggers, maybe, but best players??? no way. There's more to being a baseball player than just hitting homeruns.


Barry Bonds is the best player we've seen... A-Rod, if his pace continues will be the best player we see. We're looking at two of the top 10 (easily) top 5 (arguably) players ever.

[cruscott35]

I love how people conveniently forget how Bonds admitted to using both the clear and the cream...

Which he didn't know were steroids at the time.

Look, I think the guy took roids, but lets not make this out that he failed a test or got caught. He admitted to using a substance that was later found out to contain steroids. Whether or not he really knew what was in those things (which I'm sure he did), you can't make it out like he was injecting himself and was caught while doing it.

I can't wait for the Mitchell Report to get made public, so that everyone who has been talking shit about Bonds for the past couple years can either start hating their favorite players or look like huge hypocrites.

[BotheDMBFan]

Which he didn't know were steroids at the time.

Look, I think the guy took roids, but lets not make this out that he failed a test or got caught. He admitted to using a substance that was later found out to contain steroids. Whether or not he really knew what was in those things (which I'm sure he did), you can't make it out like he was injecting himself and was caught while doing it.

I can't wait for the Mitchell Report to get made public, so that everyone who has been talking shit about Bonds for the past couple years can either start hating their favorite players or look like huge hypocrites.

Agreed.

[gryspn41]

Barry Bonds is the best player we've seen... A-Rod, if his pace continues will be the best player we see. We're looking at two of the top 10 (easily) top 5 (arguably) players ever.

Finally, someone who agrees with me, thought I was crazy for a sec...

Roger

[cruscott35]

Finally, someone who agrees with me, thought I was crazy for a sec...

Roger

And we're both Lions fans, so maybe we are crazy... I keep saying the only thing that pisses me off about the steroid era is that the only Tiger to get caught was Nefi Perez.

[crashintonickdm]

i find this hilarious.

hey barry, you're probably not even gonna be nominated. fuckin cheater.

[crashintome202]

And we're both Lions fans, so maybe we are crazy... I keep saying the only thing that pisses me off about the steroid era is that the only Tiger to get caught was Nefi Perez.
*cough* pudge *cough*

[dre2142]

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3090631

"I won't go. I won't be part of it," Bonds said in an interview with MSNBC that aired Thursday night. "You can call me, but I won't be there."

Good Barry, nobody wants you in the Hall anyways.

Right on

[rickyh24]

Barry Bonds is the best player we've seen... A-Rod, if his pace continues will be the best player we see. We're looking at two of the top 10 (easily) top 5 (arguably) players ever.

yeah bonds is lucky that Griffey got hurt i would love to see a steroid free Grif right beside Bonds on the Homerun charts.

[cruscott35]

*cough* pudge *cough*

I hope he does get caught. I want to know my guys were trying as hard as everyone else to get an edge. Most of his roid years were in TX anyway, I think only one was in Detroit.

[crashintome202]

I hope he does get caught. I want to know my guys were trying as hard as everyone else to get an edge. Most of his roid years were in TX anyway, I think only one was in Detroit.
even though its cheating?

[cruscott35]

even though its cheating?


Yes, even though it's cheating. Especially if it was as wide spread as it sounds. If you ain't cheatin, you ain't trying.

[rickyh24]

Yes, even though it's cheating. Especially if it was as wide spread as it sounds. If you ain't cheatin, you ain't trying.

:lol :lol thats some great logic right there

[crashintome202]

Yes, even though it's cheating. Especially if it was as wide spread as it sounds. If you ain't cheatin, you ain't trying.
so what about a guy like david ecstein, who most likely (though you cant be 100% sure), didnt use steriods? is he not trying even if he had to fight his way into the league?

[cruscott35]

Apparently they don't have figures of speech where you guys are from... Did you guys think I made that quote up?

I didn't have a problem with the Pats stealing signs either, I had a problem with Pats fans saying they did nothing wrong and that it wouldn't help, but the actual cheating I had no problem with.

I know for a fact that if there was a pill I could take that would help me at work and would result in a pay increase I would take it, and so would 90% of people.

[crashintome202]

Apparently they don't have figures of speech where you guys are from... Did you guys think I made that quote up?

I didn't have a problem with the Pats stealing signs either, I had a problem with Pats fans saying they did nothing wrong and that it wouldn't help, but the actual cheating I had no problem with.

I know for a fact that if there was a pill I could take that would help me at work and would result in a pay increase I would take it, and so would 90% of people.
no but the way you used it is wrong.
just because 90% of people would take it (i would too) doesnt mean its right. so if 90% of baseball comes out and says "i was juicing" it doesnt make it anymore more acceptable. the idea of cheating is wrong, wether 1 person did it, or almost all of the league... it doesnt change that

[cruscott35]

no but the way you used it is wrong.
just because 90% of people would take it (i would too) doesnt mean its right. so if 90% of baseball comes out and says "i was juicing" it doesnt make it anymore more acceptable. the idea of cheating is wrong, wether 1 person did it, or almost all of the league... it doesnt change that


Where did I say it was right? I said that, I, as a fan wouldn't care. By your logic, when is that statement ever right? There's holding on every play in football, do you get upset when the refs miss a call against your team cause the integrity of the game is in question? My whole point is that I don't care, nor have I ever cared.

[crashintome202]

Where did I say it was right? I said that, I, as a fan wouldn't care. By your logic, when is that statement ever right? There's holding on every play in football, do you get upset when the refs miss a call against your team cause the integrity of the game is in question? My whole point is that I don't care, nor have I ever cared.
so we should just let people cheat and get away with it? then whats the point of having those rules then? why not just let them do whatever? let's have refs set up baseketball games... wait thats already happened.

[cruscott35]

so we should just let people cheat and get away with it? then whats the point of having those rules then? why not just let them do whatever? let's have refs set up baseketball games... wait thats already happened.

If you want to get technical about it he was not cheating by the rules of baseball. That is neither here nor there though. I just do not really see the outrage over Bonds and not the other players, that is what bothers me more than anything.

Side note: whenever i try and hit the apostrophe button some quick find feature comes up, anyone know why?

[crashintome202]

If you want to get technical about it he was not cheating by the rules of baseball. That is neither here nor there though. I just do not really see the outrage over Bonds and not the other players, that is what bothers me more than anything.

Side note: whenever i try and hit the apostrophe button some quick find feature comes up, anyone know why?
i believe bonds should get into the hall but with an asterisk just like anyone else who cheated. pitchers who cheated got in but it goes mostly unnoticed.
either no ones in, or they're all in

[uchuskies87]

i dont like him, but i say good for him for sticking up for himself.

i have always believed he took them, but there has never been SOLID evidence.

so, yea, good for that cheater.

[BotheDMBFan]

i believe bonds should get into the hall but with an asterisk just like anyone else who cheated. pitchers who cheated got in but it goes mostly unnoticed.
either no ones in, or they're all in

Then go back through, and asterisk anyone who ever cheated ever.

[gryspn41]

And we're both Lions fans, so maybe we are crazy... I keep saying the only thing that pisses me off about the steroid era is that the only Tiger to get caught was Nefi Perez.



So do you think we got a shot v. the Broncos?? I was going to go ahead and change my signature to 6 wins but figured i ought to wait one more day at least.

Roger

[dmbdreamingtree]

i really don't understand how people HATE bonds for his use of enhancing drugs... I want the league to clean up... but when barry used these drugs i am sure 25% of the league and at least half of the sluggers were using them... it is a competitive league, with your job based on how you perform. If everyone one else is outdoing you, you no longer have a job... a job you have been wanting all of your life.

I don't like barry too much though, not because of the drugs, but because of his attitude towards the sport.

[crashintome202]

i really don't understand how people HATE bonds for his use of enhancing drugs... I want the league to clean up... but when barry used these drugs i am sure 25% of the league and at least half of the sluggers were using them... it is a competitive league, with your job based on how you perform. If everyone one else is outdoing you, you no longer have a job... a job you have been wanting all of your life.

I don't like barry too much though, not because of the drugs, but because of his attitude towards the sport.
the media has destroyed my life... all of you... you and you and you

[BotheDMBFan]

I love Bonds' attitude towards the media.

[cruscott35]

So do you think we got a shot v. the Broncos?? I was going to go ahead and change my signature to 6 wins but figured i ought to wait one more day at least.

Roger


No, I think we do.. We've got a chance to run all over them. That said, we are in for a classic Lions let down, losing a game we should win.

[NastyMan]

If you are going to discredit Barry Bonds in the hall (which would be very unclassy on MLB's part) you have to do it to a lot of players from this generation since all there is is a cloud of suspicion, and no actual facts...

I am glad Bonds said he will boycott the hall if there is an asterisk. Good for him.

MLB are such hypocrites. IF Bonds is guilty of steroids, then MLB most likely knew about it and turned their heads because it was good for the game at the time, and now they are going to put an asterisk on his records? Such BS. I'm not saying Bonds is a great person cause he probably isn't, but I think this whole situation is ridiculous. IF I were Bonds and they were going to do that, I would say "Fuck you, I will boycott it" also. The most prestigous record in sports will always be "tainted" because of the flaws in MLB, and that is sad.

Keep in mind, that no one knows for sure if Bonds cheated or not. In my opinion, he cheated as much as Roger Clemens did. People suspect Bonds of doing steroids, but it hasnt been proven. I suspect Clemens of doing steroids as well, but can't prove it. Most people think Bonds is a jerk, but I would say the same about Clemens, so my question here is, what's the difference between the two, and why are they treated so differently by the public?

[cruscott35]

If you are going to discredit Barry Bonds in the hall (which would be very unclassy on MLB's part) you have to do it to a lot of players from this generation since all there is is a cloud of suspicion, and no actual facts...

I am glad Bonds said he will boycott the hall if there is an asterisk. Good for him.

MLB are such hypocrites. IF Bonds is guilty of steroids, then MLB most likely knew about it and turned their heads because it was good for the game at the time, and now they are going to put an asterisk on his records? Such BS. I'm not saying Bonds is a great person cause he probably isn't, but I think this whole situation is ridiculous. IF I were Bonds and they were going to do that, I would say "Fuck you, I will boycott it" also. The most prestigous record in sports will always be "tainted" because of the flaws in MLB, and that is sad.

Keep in mind, that no one knows for sure if Bonds cheated or not. In my opinion, he cheated as much as Roger Clemens did. People suspect Bonds of doing steroids, but it hasnt been proven. I suspect Clemens of doing steroids as well, but can't prove it. Most people think Bonds is a jerk, but I would say the same about Clemens, so my question here is, what's the difference between the two, and why are they treated so differently by the public?

I will never know... See the "bonds hits 755" thread or the "I hope lance armstrongs cancer comes back" thread... Both are funny to read how people are so biased against Bonds and only Bonds, like he raped their mothers.

Lance is another one who has been legitimately accused of cheating, yet America loves him.

[jcc522]

MLB are such hypocrites. IF Bonds is guilty of steroids, then MLB most likely knew about it and turned their heads because it was good for the game at the time, and now they are going to put an asterisk on his records? Such BS. I'm not saying Bonds is a great person cause he probably isn't, but I think this whole situation is ridiculous. IF I were Bonds and they were going to do that, I would say "Fuck you, I will boycott it" also. The most prestigous record in sports will always be "tainted" because of the flaws in MLB, and that is sad.

Keep in mind, that no one knows for sure if Bonds cheated or not. In my opinion, he cheated as much as Roger Clemens did. People suspect Bonds of doing steroids, but it hasnt been proven. I suspect Clemens of doing steroids as well, but can't prove it. Most people think Bonds is a jerk, but I would say the same about Clemens, so my question here is, what's the difference between the two, and why are they treated so differently by the public?

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did you miss the part where he admited to it to a jury

[cruscott35]

\

did you miss the part where he admited to it to a jury


You're right, a heroine addict and someone who had rufies slipped to them should suffer the same punishment.:rolleyes :rolleyes

[dowling25]

Ok genius, this is the last time we're going to explain this to you, this time WITH PROOF.


http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2004/12/03/MNGGFA0UDU65.DTL




Big Headed Barry has denied "knowingly" using steroids. That's been the issue.

Giambi, whom I loathe, apologized for pretty much the same load of BS. Which is bullshit, again, because that year he won the MVP he was on 'roids and Frank Thomas, who I hope was not as he was a TE for Auburn and has always been huge, should have won it.


ok well then there is proof that he used them but if he didn't know it then i don't hold it against him. or think less of his stats because of it.

[Tiduwho]

Man, I just can't believe there are people out there that aren't bashing scum like this man. It's sickening not to bash him, let alone defend him.

[rickyh24]

ok well then there is proof that he used them but if he didn't know it then i don't hold it against him. or think less of his stats because of it.



wow, what did he think he was taking? he didn't notice he was getting huge at a rapid rate? do you really believe this lame excuse he made?

[cruscott35]

Man, I just can't believe there are people out there that aren't bashing scum like this man. It's sickening not to bash him, let alone defend him.


If you're going to bash this "scumbag", then you've got to bash ever other scumbag who used something (Lance, Nefi, Mota, Giambi, and many more to follow once the Mitchell Report gets out). No one else gets the kind of scrutiny that Bonds does, and I don't think that's fair.

[cruscott35]

wow, what did he think he was taking? he didn't notice he was getting huge at a rapid rate? do you really believe this lame excuse he made?

Flex seed oil.

[rickyh24]

Flex seed oil.


:lol :lol i hope you are kidding

[cruscott35]

:lol :lol i hope you are kidding


I'm just telling you what he thought it was.

[chr35919]

I'm just telling you what he thought it was.that's what they all said. they're all full of shit.

[rickyh24]

I'm just telling you what he thought it was.



yeah but cmon? you dont believe that do you? i dont think Bonds is that stupid.

[cruscott35]

yeah but cmon? you dont believe that do you? i dont think Bonds is that stupid.


No, but you can't incriminate someone for something you think they did. I think he knowingly took roids, but they've been trying to nail this guy for years and still haven't been able to do it.

[cruscott35]

This isn't about what I think he did, it's about the public's reaction to what they think he did, and their willingness to overlook what other people have been thought to do.

[Tiduwho]

If you're going to bash this "scumbag", then you've got to bash ever other scumbag who used something (Lance, Nefi, Mota, Giambi, and many more to follow once the Mitchell Report gets out). No one else gets the kind of scrutiny that Bonds does, and I don't think that's fair.

I do, whenever they come up. The problem is, Bonds comes up just about every week even in the offseason. More than those other guys anyways. But that doesn't mean that those others aren't bashed whenever their names come up.

[cruscott35]

I do, whenever they come up. The problem is, Bonds comes up just about every week even in the offseason. More than those other guys anyways. But that doesn't mean that those others aren't bashed whenever their names come up.

Not even close. The Rick Ankiel story and the Paul Byrd story went away very, very quickly.

[rickyh24]

Not even close. The Rick Ankiel story and the Paul Byrd story went away very, very quickly.


paul byrd only took stuff that was prescribed by actual doctors, it wasn't taken to enhance his performance.

[cruscott35]

paul byrd only took stuff that was prescribed by actual doctors, it wasn't taken to enhance his performance.


Wasn't it his dentist that prescribed it? I'm not that up on the story, but that's as fishy as the flex seed oil defense.

[rickyh24]

Wasn't it his dentist that prescribed it? I'm not that up on the story, but that's as fishy as the flex seed oil defense.



no its definitely not as fishy, that seed oil story is BS. Bonds is just plain lieing to try an cover his ass.

[cruscott35]

MLB senior vice president for business and labor Rob Manfred told the New York Daily News in a story for Monday that Byrd hadn't received a theraputic use exemption (TUE) to use HGH. The TUE is a special waiver allowing players to take a banned drug for a legitimate medical reason.

"If he's saying that to create the impression that he was authorized or had permission, we have never granted a [therapeutic use exemption] for human growth hormone, ever," said Manfred, according to the Daily News. "Not for this guy, not for anybody."

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/playoffs2007/news/story?id=3072845

[cruscott35]

no its definitely not as fishy, that seed oil story is BS. Bonds is just plain lieing to try an cover his ass.


But Paul Byrd is a saint, give me a break.

[cruscott35]

Prescribed by a dentist that lost his license.

[pauly8509]

Again, for those of us who don't understand that Bonds holds countless records that were fueled by his steroiding and think that we ONLY scrutinize Bonds:

Sammy Sosa was run out of Chicago for "being an asshole."

Giambi is still made fun of for his "apology."

Rafael Palmeiro is no longer doing Viagra adds.

Juan Gonzalez is just like his nickname.

The only person that likes Neifi Perez is Dusty Baker.

Gabe Kapler is in Japan.

What happened to Alex Sanchez?

I harass Rafael Betancourt and Juan Rincon from the RF stands when they come to the Cell.

However, I feel that more scrutiny needs to be directed at people like Brady Anderson, Pudge Rodriguez, Gary Matthews Jr, etc.

Bonds takes the majority of the heat because he's a record holder and a complete asshole to the media, which in turn just fuels everything.

[BotheDMBFan]

If you are going to discredit Barry Bonds in the hall (which would be very unclassy on MLB's part) you have to do it to a lot of players from this generation since all there is is a cloud of suspicion, and no actual facts...

I am glad Bonds said he will boycott the hall if there is an asterisk. Good for him.

MLB are such hypocrites. IF Bonds is guilty of steroids, then MLB most likely knew about it and turned their heads because it was good for the game at the time, and now they are going to put an asterisk on his records? Such BS. I'm not saying Bonds is a great person cause he probably isn't, but I think this whole situation is ridiculous. IF I were Bonds and they were going to do that, I would say "Fuck you, I will boycott it" also. The most prestigous record in sports will always be "tainted" because of the flaws in MLB, and that is sad.

Keep in mind, that no one knows for sure if Bonds cheated or not. In my opinion, he cheated as much as Roger Clemens did. People suspect Bonds of doing steroids, but it hasnt been proven. I suspect Clemens of doing steroids as well, but can't prove it. Most people think Bonds is a jerk, but I would say the same about Clemens, so my question here is, what's the difference between the two, and why are they treated so differently by the public?

Easy, one is black the other is white.

[pauly8509]

I also think Aaron Rowand may be guilty and possibly Damaso Marte. Just some Chicago rumors...

[BotheDMBFan]

I think just about everyone is guilty. Except, of course, any player I like.

[cruscott35]

Again, for those of us who don't understand that Bonds holds countless records that were fueled by his steroiding and think that we ONLY scrutinize Bonds:

Sammy Sosa was run out of Chicago for "being an asshole."

Giambi is still made fun of for his "apology."

Rafael Palmeiro is no longer doing Viagra adds.

Juan Gonzalez is just like his nickname.

The only person that likes Neifi Perez is Dusty Baker.

Gabe Kapler is in Japan.

What happened to Alex Sanchez?

I harass Rafael Betancourt and Juan Rincon from the RF stands when they come to the Cell.

However, I feel that more scrutiny needs to be directed at people like Brady Anderson, Pudge Rodriguez, Gary Matthews Jr, etc.

Bonds takes the majority of the heat because he's a record holder and a complete asshole to the media, which in turn just fuels everything.

You list is full of has beens and never was's. Jim Leyland also had man love for Nefi. Juan Gone was shit (side note, anyone remember the Tigers offering him a 8/160 deal and he turned it down???) Alex Sanchez was always garbage.

People turn on Bonds because he's an asshole the media, and turn a blind eye to almost everyone else.

[Tiduwho]

You list is full of has beens and never was's. Jim Leyland also had man love for Nefi. Juan Gone was shit (side note, anyone remember the Tigers offering him a 8/160 deal and he turned it down???) Alex Sanchez was always garbage.

People turn on Bonds because he's an asshole the media, and turn a blind eye to almost everyone else.

If Jim Leyland had man love for Neifi, I shudder to think what Dusty had for him.

[hylidaea]

I will never know... See the "bonds hits 755" thread or the "I hope lance armstrongs cancer comes back" thread... Both are funny to read how people are so biased against Bonds and only Bonds, like he raped their mothers.

Barry Bonds killed my dad and burned our crops. :(

[BotheDMBFan]

If Jim Leyland had man love for Neifi, I shudder to think what Dusty had for him.

Mad, dirty, muskrat love?

[pauly8509]

You list is full of has beens and never was's. Jim Leyland also had man love for Nefi. Juan Gone was shit (side note, anyone remember the Tigers offering him a 8/160 deal and he turned it down???) Alex Sanchez was always garbage.

People turn on Bonds because he's an asshole the media, and turn a blind eye to almost everyone else.

Has beens because of their steroid implications and lack of production after testing.

Like when Alex Sanchez stole 50 bases.

But never was's?

Sosa hit lots of HRs.

Giambi?

Palmeiro?

Betancourt is one of the best relievers in baseball right NOW.

You sure know your stuff though...

[cruscott35]

Has beens because of their steroid implications and lack of production after testing.

Like when Alex Sanchez stole 50 bases.

But never was's?

Sosa hit lots of HRs.

Giambi?

Palmeiro?

Betancourt is one of the best relievers in baseball right NOW.

You sure know your stuff though...


Yes, has beens... How old are those players??? And I know what Alex Sanchez you were talking about, he was on the Tigers and was the king of the bunt single. If he could still be productive, teams would sign him. If Palmerio could still be productive, teams would be lining up to sign him.

[BotheDMBFan]

Yes, has beens... How old are those players??? And I know what Alex Sanchez you were talking about, he was on the Tigers and was the king of the bunt single. If he could still be productive, teams would sign him. If Palmerio could still be productive, teams would be lining up to sign him.

Didn't Sosa have a good year this year?

[dowling25]

wow, what did he think he was taking? he didn't notice he was getting huge at a rapid rate? do you really believe this lame excuse he made?


yes

he must not of realized it.

[cruscott35]

Didn't Sosa have a good year this year?

Yes, and he wants 7 million next year.

[BotheDMBFan]

Yes, and he wants 7 million next year.

Fucking awesome. Good for Sammy.

[MistreatedLewis]

No, but you can't incriminate someone for something you think they did. I think he knowingly took roids, but they've been trying to nail this guy for years and still haven't been able to do it.

In a court of law you need proof. In a court of common sense, all you need is decent evidence.

Bonds is a juicer.

[cruscott35]

In a court of law you need proof. In a court of common sense, all you need is decent evidence.

Bonds is a juicer.


Where have I once said he didn't? That is not the point of this discussion.

[MistreatedLewis]

Bonds takes the majority of the heat because he's a record holder and a complete asshole to the media, which in turn just fuels everything.

And of course, there's good ol Marky Mark who is essentially in hiding because everyone thinks he has no class...

and, notice, he ain't a first ballot famer...

[dowling25]

why does it matter if he is a dick to the media? he should be that way with the way the media and fans talk about him. more power to barry i say!

[pauly8509]

Didn't Sosa have a good year this year?

Meh. Average numbers.

[rickyh24]

Meh. Average numbers.



he sat out a lot of the second half of the season but that really doesn't matter. he wants 7 mil next year. thats to much.

[ProudestAnt]

Which he didn't know were steroids at the time.

Look, I think the guy took roids, but lets not make this out that he failed a test or got caught. He admitted to using a substance that was later found out to contain steroids. Whether or not he really knew what was in those things (which I'm sure he did), you can't make it out like he was injecting himself and was caught while doing it.

I can't wait for the Mitchell Report to get made public, so that everyone who has been talking shit about Bonds for the past couple years can either start hating their favorite players or look like huge hypocrites. You mean to tell me that you HONESTLY believe that a professional athlete, especially one with the privacy, sense of ownership, and pride that Bonds takes in his body/game DIDN'T know what he was putting into/onto his body? Come on bro, you're smarter than that.

And with the Mitchell Report, how will it make people look like hypocrites? No one here has said that Barry is the only athlete to use steroids, nor have they appeared to be prepared to condone any other athlete that is found to have used steroids...

[ProudestAnt]

And of course, there's good ol Marky Mark who is essentially in hiding because everyone thinks he has no class...

and, notice, he ain't a first ballot famer... Because McGwire doesn't have HoF numbers...

[pauly8509]

he sat out a lot of the second half of the season but that really doesn't matter. he wants 7 mil next year. thats to much.

.230 even for sitting out half the year is not good enough for a DH. And he struck out a whole helluva lot IIRC.

[rickyh24]

.230 even for sitting out half the year is not good enough for a DH. And he struck out a whole helluva lot IIRC.

yeah he wants 7 mil for hitting 20 something homers....hello sammy you hit over 60 like 4 years ago....:lol

[BlueWaterBF36]

Because McGwire doesn't have HoF numbers...

If there were no steroid controversy, that would not have mattered. The single season HR record alone would have gotten him in. That record is that big of a deal.

[crashintome202]

If there were no steroid controversy, that would not have mattered. The single season HR record alone would have gotten him in. That record is that big of a deal.
that and he had some insane seasons ntm arguably the best rookie year ever.

[BlueWaterBF36]

that and he had some insane seasons ntm arguably the best rookie year ever.

Honestly, whether all of his numbers were HoF worthy or not, if we were certain McGwire did it naturally, of COURSE he'd be in the hall - what he did accomplish would have been seen as amazing. How long had it been since someone had broken that record? Especially at a time when baseball as a sport needed it...

[cruscott35]

You mean to tell me that you HONESTLY believe that a professional athlete, especially one with the privacy, sense of ownership, and pride that Bonds takes in his body/game DIDN'T know what he was putting into/onto his body? Come on bro, you're smarter than that.

And with the Mitchell Report, how will it make people look like hypocrites? No one here has said that Barry is the only athlete to use steroids, nor have they appeared to be prepared to condone any other athlete that is found to have used steroids...


Read what I've said before, I think he took them, I think he knowingly took them.

No one has said that Rick Ankiel is a piece of shit and deserves to die, no one said that Paul Byrd is a cheater.

[pauly8509]

Read what I've said before, I think he took them, I think he knowingly took them.

No one has said that Rick Ankiel is a piece of shit and deserves to die, no one said that Paul Byrd is a cheater.

Yes, they're fucking cheaters. Rick Ankiel is a nice guy. People say Barry Bonds is a POS because of how he treats others AND the fact that he's a cheater. But the fact he's a cheater makes him being a dick a bigger issue. If Bonds wasn't an asshole this would be less than what it is or MLB would have started busting everyone so America didn't solely hate on Barry. Instead, they had a perfect scapegoat that nobody likes and therefore were able to throw him under the bus while they tried to gingerly clean up baseball.

[ProudestAnt]

Read what I've said before, I think he took them, I think he knowingly took them.

No one has said that Rick Ankiel is a piece of shit and deserves to die, no one said that Paul Byrd is a cheater. I believe people have called both Ankiel and Byrd cheaters. The difference is how they act in the spotlight and how they treat the situation. Bonds is a son of a bitch to the media and to his own teammates. He's a piece of shit...

[crashintome202]

I believe people have called both Ankiel and Byrd cheaters. The difference is how they act in the spotlight and how they treat the situation. Bonds is a son of a bitch to the media and to his own teammates. He's a piece of shit...
byrd didnt cheat. he used HGH prescribed by a doctor which was legal by MLB standards.

[MistreatedLewis]

byrd didnt cheat. he used HGH prescribed by a doctor which was legal by MLB standards.



by an internet dentist...

who lost his license...

Byrd is in a tough spot...

[crashintome202]

by an internet dentist...

who lost his license...

Byrd is in a tough spot...
he took it when it wasnt illegal though...

[nolan8or]

people who think bonds didnt use steroids are not very smart