Will Shotgun be the best song on the new album?

[Biggie S.]

do you think a new song that hasnt been released or maybe a older song brought back will be better then shotgun once the album is done?

[patricksinger6]

i hope they have a song that can top it. that'd be sick as hell. shotgun is amazing so i'm hopeful they can top it cuz that would mean the album is that much better

[chr35919]

it's totally up in the air, imo


these could be the best lyrics in a very long time...or they could leave us wanting a whole lot more. if he writes them off the cuff, i don't think they'll be great. if he listens to past versions, gets ideas, they'll be great.

the music will be on point for sure but this is one lillywhite could really put a special spin on. if only...

[dmbfan4ever]

if Sugar Will lyrics are excellent, I think a nice 9 minute studio version could top Shotgun. The jam potential of this song is off the charts. That guitar riff will sound beautiful in a studio. But it'll be tough to top the gunshot.

[Jimi's Thing]

Well considering we have no idea what's on the album, I say who the hell knows.

[scajfk926]

Having heard the entire album at Dave's penthouse, I feel it was second best. You can't top Butch's xylophone solo on Sugar Will.

[number4ty1]

If Shotgun and Crazy Easy both make the new album (which I doubt), there's no way Shotgun will be the best song.

Actually, if Shotgun does make the new album and it's its best song, then it means the new album isn't great at all.

[Ayrton Senna]

If Shotgun and Crazy Easy both make the new album (which I doubt), there's no way Shotgun will be the best song.

Actually, if Shotgun does make the new album and it's its best song, then it means the new album isn't great at all.


Shotgun is in percentil 15 of less good DMB songs

[dmb5570]

Shotgun is a great song and has given me a lot of excitment for whats to come, but i definitely hope they take shotgun and surpass it on the album. but a great studio shotgun wtih amazing lyrics would be nice too!

[LowEnd_Theory]

who the fuck knows...

[weller3377]

who the fuck knows...

:thumbsup :thumbsup

Kind of hard to know if it going to be the best song on the album when we don't even know if it is going to be on it.

[bibby1044]

I hope not unless they make it even better than it already is, since I want songs that are just as good. If Crazy Easy is on there the album could be great with these two songs.

[dmbistheshiznit]

"Shotgun" will absolutely NOT be the best song on the new album..My vote is for "Idea of You". Either that or "Falling off the Roof"

[BigEyedFerg]

If they do Shotgun correctly, then yes, I can see it being the best song on the album --- but then again, who the hell knows

[onetwothree]

Very well could be, but I still like IOY.

[DMB0715]

It could go either way. I'd think at this point it's Shotgun verse the field in that regard.

[BruceW]

i hope its a lot better than the 07 versions of just yelling...make the lyrics amazing and you got something

[Sou1 So1di3r]

not if SUAD is on there

[Heavy As Stone]

Who says it will even be on the album? Remember Everyday and Stand Up? Completely out of left field.

[fishingforapig]

for now, yes..

[PantalaNagaMan]

"Shotgun" will absolutely NOT be the best song on the new album..My vote is for "Idea of You". Either that or "Falling off the Roof"

lol.

[jayman414]

Its possible, but I think dmb has something up their sleeves on this album. I think we all be taken back by how good they can make, but I think there will be something on the cd that surprises us and will be claimed as the best song.

[vp719]

lol.

:thumbsup

[soccergoblin5]

i love shotgun, but if sugar will is on it, then that will most likely be my favorite

[Sou1 So1di3r]

yay^!

[jiggajm18]

"Shotgun" will absolutely NOT be the best song on the new album..My vote is for "Idea of You". Either that or "Falling off the Roof"

yeaaaaa.........i'm gonna have to go ahead and disagree with you on that one.

[PantalaNagaMan]

yeaaaaa.........i'm gonna have to go ahead and disagree with you on that one.

Yep. "Falling Off The Roof" was a guitar riff, and decent lyrics, played one time. How you place that over an already developed song is beyond me.

[dmbistheshiznit]

Yep. "Falling Off The Roof" was a guitar riff, and decent lyrics, played one time. How you place that over an already developed song is beyond me.
it was more than a guitar riff man, it was fully developed...it had verse bridge and chorus parts..maybe you need to go back and listen to it again.:shrug

[Ascf33]

Seeing how its one of the worst new songs... I'd say no.

[dmbistheshiznit]

Seeing how its one of the worst new songs... I'd say no.
Yea it is. It just loops around the same guitar part...with lyrics that are just weird..no complexity

[raid24]

i hope its a lot better than the 07 versions of just yelling...make the lyrics amazing and you got something



:thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup the song is always off to such a good start, then its like dave loses is train of thought and just shouts...... im all for a good yell, but its gotta fit..... im still not all the confident that shotgun will be on the album

[ShotgunDMB]

Not if Sugar Will, or possibly Crazy Easy are on it.

[Ascf33]

Yea it is. It just loops around the same guitar part...with lyrics that are just weird..no complexity

:thumbsup

It's completely overrated here at Ants. I think both Break Free and #27 are far better songs.

[dmbistheshiznit]

:thumbsup

It's completely overrated here at Ants. I think both Break Free and #27 are far better songs.
See now Break Free doesn't do it for me. Like at all.. Sorry man..But #27 for sure...lotta potential there.

[bradshaw06]

If Shotgun and Crazy Easy both make the new album (which I doubt), there's no way Shotgun will be the best song.

Actually, if Shotgun does make the new album and it's its best song, then it means the new album isn't great at all.
truth:thumbsup

[PantalaNagaMan]

it was more than a guitar riff man, it was fully developed...it had verse bridge and chorus parts..maybe you need to go back and listen to it again.:shrug

Fully developed? That's almost like calling "Dressed In Black" a fully developed song. From what we have heard of the song, and being as it wasn't even teased during the 2007 tour, all we can make of it is a somewhat developed idea for a song by Dave Matthews, not by the Dave Matthews Band. Trust me, I don't have to re-listen - I suggest you give it another listen.

Yea it is. It just loops around the same guitar part...with lyrics that are just weird..no complexity

Now this part confuses the hell out of me when it comes to your posts. You argue with me that "Falling Off The Roof" is a developed song, but tell me that the absolute most complete piece of music this band has put out in two years is not?

Saying it is a looping guitar rhythm is like saying the same thing for Proudest Monkey, or Loving Wings.

Back on the subject of "Falling Off The Roof" - how is this guitar any more spectacular than "Shotgun" - poll Ants...Guarenteed 90% agree "Shotgun"'s guitar is more creative and interesting. As for the song itself, no complexity? This is what a developed song sounds like.

Weird lyrics? Granted I am bias of the lyrics because well, I had a friend commit suicide at a very early age - and it seems as if it is what the song is being sang about....But I wouldn't call them weird.

[bradshaw06]

shotguns lyrics really are not that great

[chr35919]

:thumbsup

It's completely overrated here at Ants. I think both Break Free and #27 are far better songs.:ugh

[PantalaNagaMan]

truth:thumbsup

Not truth.

[PantalaNagaMan]

:ugh

Thank you Chris.

[bradshaw06]

Not truth.
no it is, if crazy easy and shotgun are on the album, Crazy easy will be the better song

[chr35919]

no it is, if crazy easy and shotgun are on the album, Crazy easy will be the better songno way.

[PantalaNagaMan]

no it is, if crazy easy and shotgun are on the album, Crazy easy will be the better song

I love Crazy Easy...trust me, I do.

But if Shotgun is done right...and I mean that when I say "Right". It would be farrrrrr better than anything the band has created since the LWS.

[dmbistheshiznit]

Thank you Chris.
Dude, I don't know what the fuck is up your ass. First of all, FOTR was played by Dave in a very complete form in the one show he played it in. If you listen it DOES sound like a fully developed composition and I already explained why. In addition, the lyrics are quite complete and you clearly get the impression that they wouldn't change once he plays it again unlike the lyrics in Shotgun that are all over the place added to the long miss-placed shouting periods)

[chr35919]

Dude, I don't know what the fuck is up your ass. First of all, FOTR was played by Dave in a very complete form in the one show he played it in. If you listen it DOES sound like a fully developed composition and I already explained why. In addition, the lyrics are quite complete and you clearly get the impression that they wouldn't change once he plays it again unlike the lyrics in Shotgun that are all over the place added to the long miss-placed shouting periods)dude, no.

[bradshaw06]

I love Crazy Easy...trust me, I do.

But if Shotgun is done right...and I mean that when I say "Right". It would be farrrrrr better than anything the band has created since the LWS.
if its done right, yes it has the potential to be the best.

[PantalaNagaMan]

Dude, I don't know what the fuck is up your ass. First of all, FOTR was played by Dave in a very complete form in the one show he played it in. If you listen it DOES sound like a fully developed composition and I already explained why. In addition, the lyrics are quite complete and you clearly get the impression that they wouldn't change once he plays it again unlike the lyrics in Shotgun that are all over the place added to the long miss-placed shouting periods)

Do you have a problem with me, because I am stating my opinion just as you are. No where in any of my posts did I seem to have any sort of problem....I'm glad you enjoy FOTR, but the question was, "Could it be the best song on the new album" - When we don't know what the fuck Carter, or Roi, or Boyd, or Fonz is going to do with the song - when we don't have any idea, how the fuck can we say it's going to be THE BEST. That's because it isn't DEVELOPED! Please grow up before the next time you want to have a conversation with me.

[bradshaw06]

if this question was asked a year ago, id certainly say it would be the best. but im kind of on a C.e. kick right now. If loving wings segues into shotgun, i think that would be insanly awesome

[bradshaw06]

fotr was not a complete song. the lyrics were not finished, the music was not done and i doubt we see it on the album.

[ShotgunDMB]

I'm a big Shotgun fan, but I think Sugar Will and Crazy Easy are by far better songs.

[chr35919]

if its done right, yes it has the potential to be the best.:thumbsup

[dmbistheshiznit]

Plus its not just that there's the looped guitar riff.... its also the way he repeats the same voice pattern for each line. like a broken record. I understand your draw towards the topic based on your experience with your friend but this lends nothing to the arguement that its a good musical score

[PantalaNagaMan]

Plus its not just that there's the looped guitar riff.... its also the way he repeats the same voice pattern for each line. like a broken record. I understand your draw towards the topic based on your experience with your friend but this lends nothing to the arguement that its a good musical score

Musical Score Comparison

Shotgun has not just one, repeated looped guitar riff. It has an intro riff, a main verse riff, a chorus riff, and a bridge riff. Four intricle parts to the song that puts the song together.

The bass of the song is one of the best bass lines Fonz has written since the LWS album itself.

Carter during the first 2 minutes is back to shades of what he used to be, pre Stand Up/Everyday era. No need to explain how amazing his drumming is during the song.

Roi has a large part throughout the entire song, rather than just being placed at a 1 minute solo at the end of the song. He is utilized well, and not just as a soloist but as a musician.

Boyd plays throughout the entire song, a somehwhat gorgeous and harmonic violin part that echoes Dave's guitar throughout the song.

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Falling Off The Roof has two guitar parts...the verse, and the chorus.

It also has lyrics.

And it was also played once.

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Fuck, your right man...I should have analyzed this based on musical score before I even posted in this thread.

[dmbistheshiznit]

Do you have a problem with me, because I am stating my opinion just as you are. No where in any of my posts did I seem to have any sort of problem....I'm glad you enjoy FOTR, but the question was, "Could it be the best song on the new album" - When we don't know what the fuck Carter, or Roi, or Boyd, or Fonz is going to do with the song - when we don't have any idea, how the fuck can we say it's going to be THE BEST. That's because it isn't DEVELOPED! Please grow up before the next time you want to have a conversation with me.
just because the band accompanies Dave on Shotgun does not make it any better. In terms of development, I'm talking about composition: lyrics..guitar riff for verse, bridge, chorus...It just doesn't have enough to go by in this department.

[DreamingDave]

Shotgun is good, maybe great, but not amazing. I think all you mistake it's potential (and there is alot of potential) for the real thing. It has flaws, it's going around in circles lyrically, it's loosing it's spontaneity and character, it's honesty and depth. I guess will have to wait and see.

[DreamingDave]

Musical Score Comparison

Shotgun has not just one, repeated looped guitar riff. It has an intro riff, a main verse riff, a chorus riff, and a bridge riff. Four intricle parts to the song that puts the song together.

The bass of the song is one of the best bass lines Fonz has written since the LWS album itself.

Carter during the first 2 minutes is back to shades of what he used to be, pre Stand Up/Everyday era. No need to explain how amazing his drumming is during the song.

Roi has a large part throughout the entire song, rather than just being placed at a 1 minute solo at the end of the song. He is utilized well, and not just as a soloist but as a musician.

Boyd plays throughout the entire song, a somehwhat gorgeous and harmonic violin part that echoes Dave's guitar throughout the song.

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Falling Off The Roof has two guitar parts...the verse, and the chorus.

It also has lyrics.

And it was also played once.

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Fuck, your right man...I should have analyzed this based on musical score before I even posted in this thread.

It's not really about all the intricate parts. IMO Falling off the Roof had a sweeter sounding and more interesting melody than any part in Shotgun. It's not about notes, but more about what sounds good. Falling off the Roof also had some very complete lyrics, ones that were thought provoking and were clear. I cannot say the same for Shotgun, and I like Shotgun. But just because it's long, and big sounding does not mean it's the real deal.

[thestand]

Dude, I don't know what the fuck is up your ass. First of all, FOTR was played by Dave in a very complete form in the one show he played it in. If you listen it DOES sound like a fully developed composition and I already explained why. In addition, the lyrics are quite complete and you clearly get the impression that they wouldn't change once he plays it again unlike the lyrics in Shotgun that are all over the place added to the long miss-placed shouting periods)
I don't even know what your argument is at this point. Because you just solidified my opinion that FOTR is one of the worst DMB songs ever, if there's no chance of it changing. If Dave completely changed the guitar part and all of the lyrics, it'd be great. ;) :lol

[PantalaNagaMan]

It's not really about all the intricate parts. IMO Falling off the Roof had a sweeter sounding and more interesting melody than any part in Shotgun. It's not about notes, but more about what sounds good. Falling off the Roof also had some very complete lyrics, ones that were thought provoking and were clear. I cannot say the same for Shotgun, and I like Shotgun. But just because it's long, and big sounding does not mean it's the real deal.

We are arguing over what is a more devloped song for the band, because to be the BEST SONG on the next album...it has to be developed.

Let me lay it out plain and simple....

Falling Off The Roof has been played once, it is a guitar part with decent lyrics.

Shotgun has been played full band for two years now, and could be album ready if they do it appropriately. It is more developed and has more potential from what we as fans know.

[dmbistheshiznit]

just because the band accompanies Dave on Shotgun does not make it any better. In terms of development, I'm talking about composition: lyrics..guitar riff for verse, bridge, chorus...It just doesn't have enough to go by in this department.
I don't have a problem with you, I don't even know you..for all I know, this is the only issue we don't see eye to eye on. So lets just agree to disagree on the quality of Shotgun.. Ok? And put this bickering to rest for good..we clearly are both passionate about a truely awesome band..and I can empathize a great deal with you on that.

[PantalaNagaMan]

I don't even know what your argument is at this point. Because you just solidified my opinion that FOTR is one of the worst DMB songs ever, if there's no chance of it changing. If Dave completely changed the guitar part and all of the lyrics, it'd be great. ;) :lol

Brendan, I'm beggining to go bizurk.

There is a difference between a full band song played over the course of two years and developing....and a song that was played once, and scrapped because obviously it isn't developed. I don't know what else to say in this thread.

[bradshaw06]

I don't have a problem with you, I don't even know you..for all I know, this is the only issue we don't see eye to eye on. So lets just agree to disagree on the quality of Shotgun.. Ok? And put this bickering to rest for good..we clearly are both passionate about a truely awesome band..and I can empathize a great deal with you on that.
:lol you quoted yourself

[PantalaNagaMan]

I don't have a problem with you, I don't even know you..for all I know, this is the only issue we don't see eye to eye on. So lets just agree to disagree on the quality of Shotgun.. Ok? And put this bickering to rest for good..we clearly are both passionate about a truely awesome band..and I can empathize a great deal with you on that.

There was no bickering.

I was discussing with you, on what I thought was a completely level-basis about a subject in a Discussion thread.

You asked me what was, "up my ass" and told me I had a "fucking problem".

[DreamingDave]

We are arguing over what is a more devloped song for the band, because to be the BEST SONG on the next album...it has to be developed.

Let me lay it out plain and simple....

Falling Off The Roof has been played once, it is a guitar part with decent lyrics.

Shotgun has been played full band for two years now, and could be album ready if they do it appropriately. It is more developed and has more potential from what we as fans know.

It's hard to compare a song that has been played once to a song that will almost def be on the next album. I don't know what the other guy was trying to compare or prove to you. All I'm saying is that development has nothing to do with enjoyability. Sure it helps, but if this was fact how come so many people around here prefer #41 Police more than it's regular. FOTR is not as developed as Shotgun, but that doesn't take anything anyway from it. For me atleast, I enjoy this little tiny song just as much as Shotgun.

[dmbistheshiznit]

There was no bickering.

I was discussing with you, on what I thought was a completely level-basis about a subject in a Discussion thread.

You asked me what was, "up my ass" and told me I had a "fucking problem".
Alright dude, I tried to make peace..no use. you clearly do have something up your ass. So never mind

[ShotgunDMB]

dmbistheshiznit is rapidly approaching worst poster on antsmarching.org status.

[chr35919]

i don't even like it that much, but shotgun is the best song written by dmb in the last 5 years.

[PantalaNagaMan]

It's hard to compare a song that has been played once to a song that will almost def be on the next album. I don't know what the other guy was trying to compare or prove to you. All I'm saying is that development has nothing to do with enjoyability. Sure it helps, but if this was fact how come so many people around here prefer #41 Police more than it's regular. FOTR is not as developed as Shotgun, but that doesn't take anything anyway from it. For me atleast, I enjoy this little tiny song just as much as Shotgun.


Not looking at it from an, "Enjoyability" angle - I would never ever try to take away a song and what it means to someone - I'm looking at it from a musical prespective.

Everyone had so much hope for what they wanted for Eh Hee to sound like fullband, people had ideas on what it should sound like...thinking it was THE NEXT MINARETS. I for one, think it ended up horrible for the song. In the end, the band makes the call on what the full band sounds like. So comparing an already full band song to a Dave solo song in a thread about the next big FULL Band song. I feel I had the correct rebuttles.

[DreamingDave]

Not looking at it from an, "Enjoyability" angle - I would never ever try to take away a song and what it means to someone - I'm looking at it from a musical prespective.

Everyone had so much hope for what they wanted for Eh Hee to sound like fullband, people had ideas on what it should sound like...thinking it was THE NEXT MINARETS. I for one, think it ended up horrible for the song. In the end, the band makes the call on what the full band sounds like. So comparing an already full band song to a Dave solo song in a thread about the next big FULL Band song. I feel I had the correct rebuttles.

I feel you did to, :thumbsup.

Favorite version of Shotgun by the way?

[PantalaNagaMan]

I feel you did to, :thumbsup.

Favorite version of Shotgun by the way?

1. 8.22
2. 8.14
3. 9.30
4. 8.17 (My first Shotgun)

[DreamingDave]

1. 8.22
2. 8.14
3. 9.30
4. 8.17 (My first Shotgun)

eh, 06's all the way.

[dmbistheshiznit]

dmbistheshiznit is rapidly approaching worst poster on antsmarching.org status.
Actually I think you grabbed that honor a while ago...when everyone was dissing your love for Romney..How the fuck do you live with yourself? And then you claim to like Dave Matthews music. I guess you completely ignore his obvious and overwhelming support for left wing ideals in his song writing when coming to this judgement.

[DIDriveOut2SPAC]

How the hell woould anyone know that?

[Ascf33]

:ugh

Shotgun is a medicore song. It is a staple of "average" the band has become today.

You people see it as a great song because it just happens to be better then anything on Stand Up.

[Ascf33]

i don't even like it that much, but shotgun is the best song written by dmb in the last 5 years.

Fucking awful opinion.

[chr35919]

Shotgun is a medicore song. It is a staple of "average" the band has become today.

You people see it as a great song because it just happens to be better then anything on Stand Up.
uh, i never said it was great. mmkthnx.

[chr35919]

and a mediocre song is break free...:lol

[PantalaNagaMan]

Actually I think you grabbed that honor a while ago...when everyone was dissing your love for Romney..How the fuck do you live with yourself? And then you claim to like Dave Matthews music. I guess you completely ignore his obvious and overwhelming support for left wing ideals in his song writing when coming to this judgement.

With a comment like that, you don't even deserve to vote for Obama.

[PantalaNagaMan]

Shotgun is a medicore song. It is a staple of "average" the band has become today.

You people see it as a great song because it just happens to be better then anything on Stand Up.

Racists piece of shit.

[Rockhound18]

not if SUAD is on there

We have a winner.

[dmbistheshiznit]

With a comment like that, you don't even deserve to vote for Obama.
Wow ! there you go again, ok, would you like to explain yourself perhaps?

[Rockhound18]

:thumbsup

It's completely overrated here at Ants. I think both Break Free and #27 are far better songs.

I would not be disappointed one bit if Break Free made the album. I really enjoy that song now.

[PleaseOrAppease]

Actually I think you grabbed that honor a while ago...when everyone was dissing your love for Romney..How the fuck do you live with yourself? And then you claim to like Dave Matthews music. I guess you completely ignore his obvious and overwhelming support for left wing ideals in his song writing when coming to this judgement.
While I disagree with his political views, ShotgunDMB is easily one of the better posters on this site.

[PantalaNagaMan]

Wow ! there you go again, ok, would you like to explain yourself perhaps?

Yes.

1.) Two weeks ago we had roughly the same conversation (Shotgun), it ended with you calling me a fucking moron because I spoke my opinion.

2.) Today, when I gave it another chance and just discussed it with you, you pulled the same sharade and then tried to coward away like a little 18 year old Fratboy.

3.) If I was judgemental via the Internet, I would place on my judgement on not liking you.

4.) Your DMB screename is DMBistheshiznit.

5.) I fucking hate your threads.

6.) In regards to my comment on Obama, if you have any sort of the same views about politics that you do on Antsmarching....I would not want you deciding who leads our nation.

[Ascf33]

Racists piece of shit.

:lol :lol

[DMBdisciple]

do you think a new song that hasnt been released or maybe a older song brought back will be better then shotgun once the album is done?

break free :cool





i kid. i kid. :lol
although, i am a closet break free fan :o i know, i know... musically, lyrically, blah blah blah it sucks...

[Ascf33]

uh, i never said it was great. mmkthnx.

You people does not mean chr35919 alone. Clearly.

[dmbmuskie]

If Shotgun is the best cut I think we'll all be disappointed. It's a decent song, but it would be one of the worst songs from the Big 3, if it came from that era.

[Ascf33]

I would not be disappointed one bit if Break Free made the album. I really enjoy that song now.

Break Free actually sounds like it could go somewhere. The evolution of the jam alone from the first time it was played to the end of the 06 tour actually showed some effort by the band.

Shotgun is just awful.

[dmbmuskie]

Break Free was another good DMB idea that never developed.

[Rockhound18]

I really think that people tend to talk up Shotgun more than it deserves. Musically its the tits... lyrically... well I dont know, all the yelling and stuff... I just dont think its all that great.

Im not saying that I think "song x" is better than "shotgun," musically or lyrically, but I just dont think its as great of a song as it gets credit for right now.

I happen to agree with whoever said it before, I personally think #27 is better than Shotgun right now.

[dmbistheshiznit]

Yes.

1.) Two weeks ago we had roughly the same conversation (Shotgun), it ended with you calling me a fucking moron because I spoke my opinion.

2.) Today, when I gave it another chance and just discussed it with you, you pulled the same sharade and then tried to coward away like a little 18 year old Fratboy.

3.) If I was judgemental via the Internet, I would place on my judgement on not liking you.

4.) Your DMB screename is DMBistheshiznit.

5.) I fucking hate your threads.

6.) In regards to my comment on Obama, if you have any sort of the same views about politics that you do on Antsmarching....I would not want you deciding who leads our nation.
First off, rest assured, I fucking hate your threads too. All this anemosity all has been stirred up by you..I really wonder if u take the same approach with dealing with other members..I don't see where you come off thinking I'm like a fratboy..yet another unsubstantiated criticism (you love those)...The only times I've ever come down on you is when you started shit with me by mocking my opinions regarding previous threads. Sorry if you don't approve of my screenname:confused I really don't put much thought in to something as trivial as this..maybe you do.
The bottomline is that the only subject we've ever had a difference on is Shotgun, and I tried to point this out to you and make peace but you just jumped on me for that...well done.

[ShotgunDMB]

Break Free?? :lol:lol:lol Jesus Christ was that song awful.

[PantalaNagaMan]

First off, rest assured, I fucking hate your threads too. All this anemosity all has been stirred up by you..I really wonder if u take the same approach with dealing with other members..I don't see where you come off thinking I'm like a fratboy..yet another unsubstantiated criticism (you love those)...The only times I've ever come down on you is when you started shit with me by mocking my opinions regarding previous threads. Sorry if you don't approve of my screenname:confused I really don't put much thought in to something as trivial as this..maybe you do.
The bottomline is that the only subject we've ever had a difference on is Shotgun, and I tried to point this out to you and make peace but you just jumped on me for that...well done.

I said my piece.

You said yours.

Far to much shit on this site as is - Good day to this useless, argument.

[dmbmuskie]

I really think that people tend to talk up Shotgun more than it deserves. Musically its the tits... lyrically... well I dont know, all the yelling and stuff... I just dont think its all that great.

Im not saying that I think "song x" is better than "shotgun," musically or lyrically, but I just dont think its as great of a song as it gets credit for right now.

I happen to agree with whoever said it before, I personally think #27 is better than Shotgun right now.

We've been bombarded with total shit, so a song that is even average is going to get slobbered over by most people, which is exacly what has happened with Shotgun.

What kills me about Shotgun is that it had a great start lyrically, but that's all been replaced by cheesy lines and screaming.

[ShotgunDMB]

Break Free is Steady As We Go's electric cousin.

[dmbmuskie]

Break Free is Steady As We Go's electric cousin.

Don't disrespect SAWG by comparing it to Break Free.

[PantalaNagaMan]

Don't disrespect SAWG by comparing it to Break Free.

Musically

Break Free > SAWG

[ShotgunDMB]

American Baby > Break Free. By a lot.

[mja271]

Let's worry about it being the best when we actually know it is on the album, or there is a tracklist at all for that matter.

[dmbmuskie]

Musically

Break Free > SAWG

I agree, but as a complete package Break Free is a disaster on par with Angel, Smooth Rider, and Can't Stop.

[PantalaNagaMan]

American Baby > Break Free. By a lot.

Well, duh.

Yea. I said duh.

Twice.

[Biggie S.]

Break Free actually sounds like it could go somewhere. The evolution of the jam alone from the first time it was played to the end of the 06 tour actually showed some effort by the band.

Shotgun is just awful.

i dont see how you can say that honestly

[VanHorneDog]

god i hope not.

[patricksinger6]

Break Free actually sounds like it could go somewhere. The evolution of the jam alone from the first time it was played to the end of the 06 tour actually showed some effort by the band.

Shotgun is just awful.


what!?!?

[chr35919]

Break Free actually sounds like it could go somewhere. The evolution of the jam alone from the first time it was played to the end of the 06 tour actually showed some effort by the band.

Shotgun is just awful.
this opinion is embarassing.


break free may be the chessiest song ever written by dave matthews band. the chorus:lol

[chr35919]

Break Free?? :lol:lol:lol Jesus Christ was that song awful.
HEY! we agree:cool

[patricksinger6]

Yep. "Falling Off The Roof" was a guitar riff, and decent lyrics, played one time. How you place that over an already developed song is beyond me.

agreed. how can you put it with songs like shotgun and sugar will? it was played ONE TIME. it's probably dead and we'll never see it again

[Ascf33]

agreed. how can you put it with songs like shotgun and sugar will? it was played ONE TIME. it's probably dead and we'll never see it again

I put it in the garbage with Shotgun and Sugar Will.

[onetwothree]

I think if they keep working on the album and not rushing it which I felt everday and stand up were rushed, I think it will be very good. It is a matter of the putting out a solid recording. They can still do that it is just a matter of everything fitting, like it did with the first 3 albums

[JorgeCavos]

I hope not. I hope it's an amazing track but is nowhere near the best song on the album, because the other songs should be just as good if not better.

Let's try and stray away from Stand Up-esque quality songs

[bubba40]

Sugar Will has potential to be amongst DMB's best studio tracks ever.

[Ascf33]

Sugar Will has potential to be amongst DMB's best studio tracks ever.

:( :(

[Richard Belding]

shotgun = most overrated song in the last 5 years

[DMB0715]

shotgun = most overrated song in the last 5 years

Disagreed 100%.

[Biggie S.]

shotgun = most overrated song in the last 5 years

i disagree completely

[jaymas9]

I love shotgun, it is a riff driven song with clear cut parts and great contributions from every band member. I liked the changes Dave made to the vocal delivery at the end of the bridge/chorus. Would I like to see it finalized lyrically? Well yea, I'd like some of the screaming to be replaced by words, but that's what the studio is for. I think anyone denying it's potential is crazy. It's got more going for it from a musical perspective than anything since Some Devil and arguably You Never Know (which kicks ass musically). With effort and time, not to mention great production, this puppy could be a gem.

[davetripping02]

27, sugar, shotgun

[patricksinger6]

shotgun = most overrated song in the last 5 years

disagree

[jmdt52]

i love shotgun to death, but i kind of feel like its one of those songs thats amazing in the live setting but as a studio track i dont think it will be the best

[ant_marching41]

I don't think so.

In fact, i'll be very surprised if Dave can write lyrics to match the greatness of the music.

I don't think I can take 5 minutes of "talk to me girl. talk to me baby. just talk to me girl. talk to me baaabe *voice cracks*"

[DreamingTree#41]

If one tops it it'll be amazing

[born 1991]

They can top it if they do one thing.

"Hey Steve! Want to help us out a little?"

[rball1127]

They can top it if they do one thing.

"Hey Steve! Want to help us out a little?"

hahahahahahahaha........i bet there not one dmb fan that wouldn't pay for that to happen....they would never admit that they can't make another BTCS without him.

[DMBzilla]

How the fuck do you live with yourself? And then you claim to like Dave Matthews music. I guess you completely ignore his obvious and overwhelming support for left wing ideals in his song writing when coming to this judgement.

It's a really good thing I read this older post, because otherwise I'd have had no idea that I have to agree with DMB's politics to be a fan of their music. What an insightful comment!

[patricksinger6]

i don't know if anyone has said anything about this. but i was listening to the 9.23.06 version of shotgun and noticed boyd playing the intro with dave, i wish he would bring that part of the song back, it adds a little something to the intro

[dmbfan3303]

I think that Joy Ride will be the best song on the new album...Although it's similar to Warehouse in a sense..It is simply unreallll

[bibby1044]

I think that Joy Ride will be the best song on the new album...Although it's similar to Warehouse in a sense..It is simply unreallll

1st off Joyride will never make an album since it was a bside of Stand Up.

Im not really sure how you can place Joyride with Warehouse, maybe because the crowd yells during stop time? thats really the only way I can compare the two.

[scajfk926]

I hope Shotgun is the worst song on the new album.

[rickyh24]

I hope the hell its not the best song on the album.

[redhawks225]

Suad

[phish36]

I hope so. Shotgun's my favorite song written since You Never Know, and it would be awesome if the whole album was better.

[born 1991]

I hope Shotgun is the worst song on the new album.

:thumbsup :thumbsup

[GatorFan7118]

what are the songs that are supposed to appear?

[robbins876]

any chance of getting shotgun from the piedmont bonus disc uploaded? i've still yet to hear it.

[PleaseOrAppease]

any chance of getting shotgun from the piedmont bonus disc uploaded? i've still yet to hear it.

Check your PM box in a few minutes.

[Laissez_faire]

yes !