rick rubin for a producer

[kittykatjam]

I know DMB hasnt gone n2 the studio yet and hasnt even announce yet who will be there next producer. I know know most people on here want Lillywhite back. I would have no problem with that but i would like to see DMB move foward instead of backwards. I think we all know on here that a pop producer just does not work w/ them and even tho Rick Rubin is kind of a popish producer what would u think if Rick Rubin was to produce DMB next album??

[tmorry326]

No Rick Rubin. Ever.

[zajDmB1]

If anything Rick Rubin is a hip-hop producer, not pop, and bent towards rock. His theory is making sure the songs are good first before he wastes time doin anything to them, so he would not actually be a terrible choice. If he thought the song was weak he would let them know. I guarantee you he would have thrown a lot of Stand Up out before they even began to record it.

[tmorry326]

No Rick Rubin. Ever.

[kerplunk!]

No Rick Rubin.


























Ever.

[zajDmB1]

No Rick Rubin. Ever.

why not?

[kerplunk!]

why not?
No.



Rick.



Rubin.



Ever.

[zajDmB1]

No.



Rick.



Rubin.



Ever.

Oh, Ok I see what your saying now. Good talking points.

[tmorry326]

Rick Rubin is an incredibly talented producer when he works with the right acts. Heavy rock and hip-hop. I don't want any influences from either of those on the next DMB album.

Batson was an incredibly talened producer, when he worked with the right acts. His acts were R&B and Hip Hop. He did not jive well with DMB.

Plus, I don't think Rubin would approach the band, the band would approach him. Also no-no.

He is busy anyways.





No Rick Rubin. Ever.

[kerplunk!]

Hell, Rubin didn't last long with U2. Probably wanted Bono to stop writing sappy, long-titled songs.

[zajDmB1]

Rick Rubin is an incredibly talented producer when he works with the right acts. Heavy rock and hip-hop. I don't want any influences from either of those on the next DMB album.

Batson was an incredibly talened producer, when he worked with the right acts. His acts were R&B and Hip Hop. He did not jive well with DMB.

Plus, I don't think Rubin would approach the band, the band would approach him. Also no-no.





No Rick Rubin. Ever.

Mark Batson was a push-over, clearly afraid to upset the band and had a method of producing that turned out bad. If you read interviews Rick Rubin is all about making sure a song is good bare-bones first. It would turn out a little on the heavy side probably, but it would be NOTHING like Batson. Not even close. I am not saying he is the best choice, but he would not be terrible. He would actually care about making a good record, not just getting his name on a DMB record.

And you are right, he probably would not approach the band, but that really doesn't matter for a discussion like this.

[zajDmB1]

just fucking bring back lillywhite, is it so damn hard. Jesus.

[kerplunk!]

just fucking bring back lillywhite, is it so damn hard. Jesus.

Sadly, the band doesn't write music like they used to anymore.

Even Busted Stuff was changed to fit their new style of writing music. And since LW wasn't thanked at all in it's liner notes, I'm sure he's not coming back.

[tmorry326]

Mark Batson was a push-over, clearly afraid to upset the band and had a method of producing that turned out bad. If you read interviews Rick Rubin is all about making sure a song is good bare-bones first. It would turn out a little on the heavy side probably, but it would be NOTHING like Batson. Not even close. I am not saying he is the best choice, but he would not be terrible. He would actually care about making a good record, not just getting his name on a DMB record.

And you are right, he probably would not approach the band, but that really doesn't matter for a discussion like this.

I don't think the songs would "be" or sound like Batsons work on Stand Up, I'm saying they are both talented in areas outside of the stretch of DMB, and both both would be approached in the same way. It isn't good for the band.

Yes, from their track record Lillywhite is their man. Does he come back for this album, almost certainly not, but he is what makes their albums great. I'd love from him to come back but I'm not trying to yell the obvious from the rooftops. But beyond that...

No Rick Rubin. Ever.

[dancheatham]

Rick Rubin is an incredibly talented producer when he works with the right acts. Heavy rock and hip-hop. I don't want any influences from either of those on the next DMB album.

Batson was an incredibly talened producer, when he worked with the right acts. His acts were R&B and Hip Hop. He did not jive well with DMB.

Plus, I don't think Rubin would approach the band, the band would approach him. Also no-no.

He is busy anyways.





No Rick Rubin. Ever.
Rubin has done an excellent job with Johnny Cash's American series, IMO, and aside from some song choices (Hurt, Rusty Cage, Mercy Seat, etc.) there's no hard rock or hip-hop influence on the albums.

[buzz05232000]

I'll take Steve Lillywhite.

[rsteiner12]

I'll take Steve Lillywhite.
I would be willing to take my chances with him as well.

[DreamingDave]

StEVE LiLlyWHitE Ftw

[Dobler]

rick rubin will probably be in the studio with metallica until 2014 hahaha

he probably wouldnt make them produce cheese though thats for sure.... he's done a good job with a lot of bands..... none of them really close to dmb's style though... slayer, chilli peppers, metallica, etc....

[dmbongreyst]

I'm not saying I agree or disagree with having Rubin as the new producer, but to say he is best when he does heavy music or rap isn't entirely true. His work with Johnny Cash isn't heavy and is well acclaimed. The same goes for Tom Petty's solo album "Wildflowers". Many consider that to be Petty's best work overall and it isn't heavy in the wildest imagination.

[tmorry326]

Rubin has done an excellent job with Johnny Cash's American series, IMO, and aside from some song choices (Hurt, Rusty Cage, Mercy Seat, etc.) there's no hard rock or hip-hop influence on the albums.

At the stage DMB is at in their career, and where Cash was during American, I would say working with Cash in the studio would be entirely different. I feel like DMB is going in without a producer again, with songs with potential but need work, and trying to find where or who they are again after making a terrible album. I think Rubin would have a strong hand in shaping their sound.





No Rick Rubin. Ever.

[ShotgunDMB]

rick rubin is a horrible producer. if you want more garbage, rubin is your guy.

daniel lanois or steve lillywhite. if they worked with either, we'd be guaranteed a good album..or at least one that doesnt bore me.

[DIDriveOut2SPAC]

no, k tnx

[ShotgunDMB]

Put on some headphones and listen to a Daniel Lanois album and tell me you wouldn't want that guy producing a DMB album.

[dmb5570]

we need someone that understands the style of music that dmb puts out. a hiphop or rock producer isnt going to know a "good dmb" song to a bad one. to them the good stuff might be the sounds we hear on everyday and stand up. we need someone that understands what is great about the band and emphasize that. and everyone always says that lillywhite is so pissed because he didnt get credit for busted stuff, in a way it should be good thing because people always seem to be complaining that busted stuff is nothing in comparison to the lillywhite sessions, so really its not that big of a deal.

Bring lillywhite back, even if they have to beg on their knees.

[tmorry326]

rick rubin is a horrible producer. if you want more garbage, rubin is your guy.

daniel lanois or steve lillywhite. if they worked with either, we'd be guaranteed a good album..or at least one that doesnt bore me.

He isn't horrible, not by any stretch. I think him working would DMB would be horrible, however.

Put on some headphones and listen to a Daniel Lanois album and tell me you wouldn't want that guy producing a DMB album.

Yep, two obviously candidates that the fans love. Have they been mentioed? Yes. Will they be in this studio session? Almost certainly a no.

It will probably be a non-big name guy and a good engineer. That or they're working on bringing Steve in. :lol :lol

[amoore624426]

i wouldn't mind rick rubin as a producer...that motherfucker makes good albums

[djmmjd]

As an engineer and a musician, let me first say, that Rick is definitely one of my favorite producers in the world. His resume speaks and he's dealt with all types of music. Alt rock, metal, rap, country, adult contemporary, the list goes on, etc.

However, his style is such that I probably wouldn't want him to produce DMB. DMB would be better with a jazz producer who just turns on the mics and says go and occaisionally, "I think you guys can do better."

Finally, while Lillywhite is another one of my favorite producers and I do wish DMB would work with him again, but just so you could see that DMB's current direction has nothing to do with him. Of course, many of you wold probably say, "well, Steve just flopped on this one". I guarantee that Lillywhite would not make you happier and he would not give the sound of those three albums. It's all about DMB. They have changed. Furthermore, so has Steve. Listen to Mraz's Mr. A-Z. It's compressed and pop oriented, just like Stand Up. The industry has changed too. Lillywhite used to be a analog tape guy, now he's doing digital with Pro Tools. It's different game now. Plus, not only have DMB's members matured and like different things, with their status, no one wants to tell them off and say I don't like this. As someone who has worked in the industry and spent time with producers, trust me on this. The only people who can change DMB's sound are the band themselves.

[kittykatjam]

I think im the only one that doesnt want to see Lillywhite back. Im not sayin Rubin would be the best choice. He done a great job w/ Cash and Peppers and other bands. I think DMB can make a great album w/ out Lillywhite. I think what they should do is like what they have done in the past and that have Dave wright Lyrics or some chords and base the song around that instead of what they did in Stand UP which hear a note and wright around that.

[TwoStep2888]

I know DMB hasnt gone n2 the studio yet and hasnt even announce yet who will be there next producer. I know know most people on here want Lillywhite back. I would have no problem with that but i would like to see DMB move foward instead of backwards. I think we all know on here that a pop producer just does not work w/ them and even tho Rick Rubin is kind of a popish producer what would u think if Rick Rubin was to produce DMB next album??

Fuck your font. That hurt my eyes.

Oh, yeah.

No. Rick. Rubin. Ever.

[zajDmB1]

As an engineer and a musician, let me first say, that Rick is definitely one of my favorite producers in the world. His resume speaks and he's dealt with all types of music. Alt rock, metal, rap, country, adult contemporary, the list goes on, etc.

However, his style is such that I probably wouldn't want him to produce DMB. DMB would be better with a jazz producer who just turns on the mics and says go and occaisionally, "I think you guys can do better."

Finally, while Lillywhite is another one of my favorite producers and I do wish DMB would work with him again, but just so you could see that DMB's current direction has nothing to do with him. Of course, many of you wold probably say, "well, Steve just flopped on this one". I guarantee that Lillywhite would not make you happier and he would not give the sound of those three albums. It's all about DMB. They have changed. Furthermore, so has Steve. Listen to Mraz's Mr. A-Z. It's compressed and pop oriented, just like Stand Up. The industry has changed too. Lillywhite used to be a analog tape guy, now he's doing digital with Pro Tools. It's different game now. Plus, not only have DMB's members matured and like different things, with their status, no one wants to tell them off and say I don't like this. As someone who has worked in the industry and spent time with producers, trust me on this. The only people who can change DMB's sound are the band themselves.

Don't you think a producer's role goes a little more in depth than that. A producer is like another member of a band or there would be no producers, just techs. You need an outside, semi-biased opinion to toss around ideas. They band should most definitly have the final say but a producer is uselss if he just chimes in everyone now and then.

[Gladstone]

Don't you think a producer's role goes a little more in depth than that. A producer is like another member of a band or there would be no producers, just techs. You need an outside, semi-biased opinion to toss around ideas. They band should most definitly have the final say but a producer is uselss if he just chimes in everyone now and then.

You're right, the role of a producer is much deeper than that, although every producer is different. A jazz producer is a very good idea though, I definetly think they should be looking for one (and I mean jazz, not r&b).

[emtphish]

I like to see Brendan O'Brien work with DMB on their new album. He has worked with Springsteen, Incubus on their new one, Trey's solo effort, Train, and Graham Colton Band recently. He has also produce some of the great albums of the last 20 years, STP's Core, Pearl Jam's .Vs and Vitalogy, and RATM's Evil Empire.

[emtphish]

http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20057685_20057687_20152429,00.html

Article about him producing for The Boss.

[loco27]

I think a Jazz producer is definately the way to go!!!
NO POP PLEASE!!!!!

[ShotgunDMB]

rick rubin should never be allowed anywhere near DMB.

[loco27]

The Boss was the Boss untill Pop got hold of him!

[MistreatedLewis]

Not a knock on either entity as separate beings, but a DMB-Rubin collaboration is more likely than not another disaster in the waiting. Let's avoid this.

[tmorry326]

No Rick Rubin. Ever.

[n3wyears]

Dave matthews as producer!

[bibby1044]

Dave matthews as producer!

If he produced the Fly himself, its not a half bad idea for them to self produce...I was really impressed with how that song turned out.

[irishluck314]

cmon steve one more album!!!! one more songggg atleast

[gorgefan36]

No Rick Rubin. Ever.


so let me get this straight....... No Rick Rubin? Ever?

:haha

[Inter]

Whoever produces Sieges Even should have a go. That type of sound would be very interesting with DMB.

[MistreatedLewis]

cmon steve one more album!!!! one more songggg atleast

It's not up to Steve, unfortunately. He'd do it in a second, if only for the money (and that's not actually the only reason, obviously).

[Tak_a_Tak]

rick rubin is a horrible producer. if you want more garbage, rubin is your guy.

daniel lanois or steve lillywhite. if they worked with either, we'd be guaranteed a good album..or at least one that doesnt bore me.


Your first part I totaly disagree with. I think Rubin is a wonderful producer. He does not work just within the hard rock/rap world. I don't know if he's be a good fit with dmb, but it would be interesting to see what would come out of it.

Your second part I totaly agree with. I would be soooo excited if Lanois was to produce the next album. That would be my pick. :thumbsup

[tmorry326]

so let me get this straight....... No Rick Rubin? Ever?


No Rick Rubin. Ever.

[number4ty1]

Brian Eno
Nigel Godrich

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