Which Studio Album Does This Have to be Better Than To Be Considered Good?

[jojo04]

Ssia

[Swizz2007]

Everyday and Stand Up

[DMB0715]

All of the albums are different in their own right. With that said it has to be 4th best. If it's worse than either Stand Up, Everyday and Busted Stuff I consider it a fail.

[Bdj209]

Not to ruin this topic, but i'm pretty sure that we aren't arguing about the right thing here... We have all been anticipating a studio album for a while... Yes, Stand Up & Everyday don't really compare to the earlier albums. But, wouldn't everyone just be as excited to see a new studio album. If we see Shotgun, Joy Ride and maybe LWS songs like Sweet up and Down and JTR... it will be awesome... Maybe a mastered version of Idea of You with real lyrics.

Lets think about that first...


There are so many possibilities that there is no need to compare what could be to what has been.

There is a reason the past and the present are different times...

[DMB0715]

I think their may be quite a few fans that quit on this band if this next album is garbage. So yeah, you need to compare it to something.

[dmbmuskie]

If it's not better than Busted Stuff it's a failure.

[DMB0715]

If it's not better than Busted Stuff it's a failure.

Agreed.:thumbsup

[dmbmuskie]

Agreed.:thumbsup

Busted Stuff is weird. If you looked at the track listing for it in the winter of 2000 you would think it was going to be amazing, but there is something clearly missing.

[DMB0715]

Busted Stuff is weird. If you looked at the track listing for it in the winter of 2000 you would think it was going to be amazing, but there is something clearly missing.

I think just about every time I listen to it I enjoy it less and less. It's sad.
With BTCS, I just love it more and more. You're right, something is missing.

[Biggie S.]

if its better then busted stuff i will deffintly be please

[dmbmuskie]

I think just about every time I listen to it I enjoy it less and less. It's sad.
With BTCS, I just love it more and more. You're right, something is missing.

I haven't listened to it in years. Captain always comes on AOL Radio, and it's shocking how bad it is compared to what it was on the LWS.

[MPizzle06]

Busted Stuff. I (along w/most here) count tLWS as seperate from BS due to the huge difference b/w the 2. So yes, better than BS, worse than tLWS and things would be good.

[dmbdreamingtree]

for me personally it will have to be better than everyday... stand up to me is mountains below everyday in quality so anywhere near stand up and i consider it garbage. in general, if it is in the same league as busted stuff i think everyone will be ok and happy.

[martindcx1e]

i say everyday

[MistreatedLewis]

All of the albums are different in their own right. With that said it has to be 4th best. If it's worse than either Stand Up, Everyday and Busted Stuff I consider it a fail.

4th best, not including the Lillywhites. :thumbsup

And it it's only a *little* better than Everyday, it's still not a wonderful achievement. But it's a start.

[MistreatedLewis]

Not to ruin this topic, but i'm pretty sure that we aren't arguing about the right thing here... We have all been anticipating a studio album for a while... Yes, Stand Up & Everyday don't really compare to the earlier albums. But, wouldn't everyone just be as excited to see a new studio album. If we see Shotgun, Joy Ride and maybe LWS songs like Sweet up and Down and JTR... it will be awesome... Maybe a mastered version of Idea of You with real lyrics.

Lets think about that first...


There are so many possibilities that there is no need to compare what could be to what has been.

There is a reason the past and the present are different times...

There is a reason why DMB was probably the best mainstream band of the 90s, and now they are not close.

[Gladstone]

If it has as good songs (back to the basics) as Busted Stuff it's a step in the right direction. However, the production will have to be much better than BS.

[TrippingBrando]

I voted that it must be better than Everyday. It's sad, though because, I couldn't have imagined when BS came out that one day I would be longing for an album equivalent to BS:(.

Then again, Stand Up makes me appreciate BS and Everyday to a higher degree.:thumbsup

[tmorry326]

It needs to take over the 4th place spot with certainty -- whatever your 4th place spot it.

So basically, better than ED, BS, and SU without much argument.

[superfan]

If it's not better than Busted Stuff it's a failure.

I disagree, Busted Stuff is a very good album, it will be tough to be better than that album. I voted everyday.

[dmb5570]

it has to be better than everyday and stand up, but i think if its along the same lines of quality as BS we will be good. the only reason people dislike BS is because of what tlws were. I still love BS, so as long as its on par there, ill be a happy camper.

[MistreatedLewis]

Busted Stuff sucks. There are like two or three tracks that I ever want to listen to on that album, and not more than like every 8 months.

[tmorry326]

Busted Stuff sucks.

QFT.

[hoke2007]

Busted Stuff, although I wouldn't mind if it just beat Everyday and Stand Up.

[Sou1 So1di3r]

I love Busted Stuff

[dmbmuskie]

I love Busted Stuff

Do you really love Busted Stuff, or do you love the songs on it?

[GLR87]

better than everyday which is 2nd worst next to stand up

[bmutton]

I said that the album should be better than btcs.... I know how ridiculous that request is but in my opinion if it topped that album, I think every dave fan would be very very content, and this album would definitely be more than "good". what we need are new songs that have the same worth to fans like recently, halloween, the last stop, etc..

[superfan]

Do you really love Busted Stuff, or do you love the songs on it?

I Busted Stuff also, it was the first studio album I every bought by this band. This cd and the folsom field cd is what got me into DMB. Busted Stuff gets way too much hate on these boards. I would take Busted Stuff over the Lillywhites anyday of the week.

[Gladstone]

^ I would take Everyday over Busted Stuff any day of the week.

I barely listen to DMB anymore, mostly just UTTAD, BTCS and Crash and sometimes TLWS.

Tales From The Acoustic Planet = win

[White Rabbit]

Busted Stuff sucks. There are like two or three tracks that I ever want to listen to on that album, and not more than like every 8 months.

Busted Stuff is awesome! Are you deaf? Grey Street, Where are you going?, Stay or Leave, Big Eyed Fish, Bartender, Digging a Ditch, Raven, Captain, Hell even the Kit Kat Jam, they're awesome songs that sound pretty damn good recorded in studio. I think you're just a biased steve lillywhite fan...

[superfan]

Busted Stuff is awesome! Are you deaf? Grey Street, Where are you going?, Stay or Leave, Big Eyed Fish, Bartender, Digging a Ditch, Raven, Captain, Hell even the Kit Kat Jam, they're awesome songs that sound pretty damn good recorded in studio. I think you're just a biased steve lillywhite fan...

I agree, I think that is the main reason people around here hate Busted Stuff. I don't understand how people can bitch about the quality of production on an album like the people on these boards bitch about Busted Stuff's production quality. It's like bitching about the mix of a live recording, I don't get how people bitch about those things.

Also, Stay or Leave wasn't on Busted Stuff, it was on Some Devil.

[Taylor/Martin]

I really think that the hate on Busted Stuff is pretty ridiculous. As I've said many times, it's my favorite album by the band. The songs and production are great, but God forbid, they're not the LWS. Uh oh. It must suck.

[tmorry326]

I really think that the hate on Busted Stuff is pretty ridiculous. As I've said many times, it's my favorite album by the band. The songs and production are great, but God forbid, they're not the LWS. Uh oh. It must suck.

With what they could have been, with what we know they actually are -- what we've heard with our own ears, my god do they suck.

[Sou1 So1di3r]

I Busted Stuff also, it was the first studio album I every bought by this band. This cd and the folsom field cd is what got me into DMB. Busted Stuff gets way too much hate on these boards. I would take Busted Stuff over the Lillywhites anyday of the week.

That's basically the story of my life.:thumbsup

[ShotgunDMB]

Busted Stuff is weak. LWS pwn it every way possible.

[sir iggius]

I think that if it is better than Busted Stuff, the album will be amazing. If it is par with BS, it will be a very good album.

[Northerntube]

if it's a good album, it's a good album. I find it weird that there's a sense of competition among other releases, or that people might listen to music by measuring it against other music(s).

Don't think about it too much and you'll either enjoy it or you won't.

[dmbmuskie]

Busted Stuff is awesome! Are you deaf? Grey Street, Where are you going?, Stay or Leave, Big Eyed Fish, Bartender, Digging a Ditch, Raven, Captain, Hell even the Kit Kat Jam, they're awesome songs that sound pretty damn good recorded in studio. I think you're just a biased steve lillywhite fan...

I don't even know what to say to this.

Have you ever heard the LWS?

[NumberForTOne]

If it has as good songs (back to the basics) as Busted Stuff it's a step in the right direction. However, the production will have to be much better than BS.

This is the truth--I personaly like Everyday, so if its a step higher than Everyday, I would be really happy. Though I think the songs on BS will be better than the new album, I agree with Gladstone that the production needs to be better for it to be a true contendor for the 'big 3.' As a side-question...if it was really a quality album, would you consider it the 'big 4' or is that reserved for tLWS?

[MistreatedLewis]

if it's a good album, it's a good album. I find it weird that there's a sense of competition among other releases, or that people might listen to music by measuring it against other music(s).

Don't think about it too much and you'll either enjoy it or you won't.

I always love when I'm told not to think about things.
"Turn your brain off and life will be better."

Sorry, not my philosophy...

[MistreatedLewis]

This is the truth--I personaly like Everyday, so if its a step higher than Everyday, I would be really happy. Though I think the songs on BS will be better than the new album, I agree with Gladstone that the production needs to be better for it to be a true contendor for the 'big 3.' As a side-question...if it was really a quality album, would you consider it the 'big 4' or is that reserved for tLWS?

If it's better than tLWS sure...

but unless they've hired Lanois or Lillywhite to produce, don't see that one likely happening...

[jiggajm18]

we all know that there are people here who will think it's good just because it's by the Dave Matthews Band

[bubba40]

I think it will need (for better or for worse) to be comparable to Busted Stuff to be considered "good" by many people.

[superfan]

I don't even know what to say to this.

Have you ever heard the LWS?


I don't understand why the LWS sessions are so beloved, Busted Stuff is much better than the LWS. I rarely listen to the LWS, Busted Stuff all the way.:thumbsup

[Northerntube]

I always love when I'm told not to think about things.
"Turn your brain off and life will be better."

Sorry, not my philosophy...

I'm just saying, you're either going to enjoy it or not. Simple as that. The entire question at hand isn't exactly an intellectual endeavour: "Which Studio Album Does This Have to be Better Than To Be Considered Good?".

If you enjoy it in and of itself, it's good. If you don't like it, in and of itself, you'll deem it bad. I'm not saying "turn your brain off".

This is more a discussion about the rest of the studio catalogue, nothing much to do with the next release coming down the pike.

[superfan]

Can we just borrow the time machine from Dr. Brown and jump ahead in the future, right into the summer tour and the release of this long awaited album. I am getting sick of waiting.

[MistreatedLewis]

I don't understand why the LWS sessions are so beloved, Busted Stuff is much better than the LWS. I rarely listen to the LWS, Busted Stuff all the way.:thumbsup

Different taste I guess. Busted Stuff sounds completely dead to me, with the exceptions of Grey Street, Bartender, and YNK.

[Norman Smiley]

Different taste I guess. Busted Stuff sounds completely dead to me, with the exceptions of Grey Street, Bartender, and YNK.


I agree with Grey Street and YNK and I also would include Raven... but not Bartender... LS Bartender is amazing.

But yeah.. the rest of the album is a shell of the LWS.

[jiggajm18]

i think that if it as good as or better than Busted Stuff then i will probably say its a good album. i don't BS is better than LWS, but it's still a good album. just not great.

[BruceW]

busted stuff...im not too optimistic that it will top BTCS, UTTAD etc...but it better top stand up and everyday and if it tops busted stuff then i will be very pleased...which means it will have songs better than Busted Stuff, Grey Street, YNK, Bartender, Captain etc...wow

[BigEyedFerg]

Vast majority of people will be completely content if it matches or is better than Busted Stuff, and I think it has a very good chance of doing just this

[stayorleave83]

It sounds like alot of these songs on the new album could be songs played live. Would you rather see touched up versions of these songs on the album, or be completely surprised and hear some new songs the band hasn't played on tour?

I think for the new cd to be successful it needs a little of both

[jaymas9]

Different taste I guess. Busted Stuff sounds completely dead to me, with the exceptions of Grey Street, Bartender, and YNK.:thumbsup That's the thing, Busted Stuff is a kick ass collection of songs, compareable with the first three albums from that perspective. That being said, stale/sedated production and a total lack of emotion takes away from the album versions of those songs. Am I grateful for it? Yes because it makes it more likely for these songs to be played live, because they were on a major studio release. A finished LWS would have been a far better album though.

[jaymas9]

Vast majority of people will be completely content if it matches or is better than Busted Stuff, and I think it has a very good chance of doing just thisIf as a collection of songs it is near busted stuff, ill be ecstatic.

[ShotgunDMB]

Needs to be better than the past 3 albums....

[jordanbball17]

As long as it tops ED and SU, I'm completely happy. If they would just go back to their roots and make an album that could serve just as well as a UTTAD companion as a stand-alone album then it will turn out fine. I think if they keep that in mind good music once again could be produced. But I really don't think the motivation of old is there anymore...

[MistreatedLewis]

:thumbsup That's the thing, Busted Stuff is a kick ass collection of songs, compareable with the first three albums from that perspective. That being said, stale/sedated production and a total lack of emotion takes away from the album versions of those songs. Am I grateful for it? Yes because it makes it more likely for these songs to be played live, because they were on a major studio release. A finished LWS would have been a far better album though.

I will say though, that Raven and BEF are butchered beyond the point of really being good songs to me in their post 2001 forms.

[tmorry326]

I always love when I'm told not to think about things.
"Turn your brain off and life will be better."

Sorry, not my philosophy...

:rolleyes:rolleyes

I hate that / get that. "You think about things too much -- jesus." Stupid, stupid thing to say to someone.

[Northerntube]

Except I never said any of that. I said "don't think about it too much", which I stand by.

Jesus, the album as far as we know hasn't even been recorded yet and already some people are setting some arcane structure of judgment for it, meaningless formulas upon which to come to an opinion, when all you really need to form an honest opinion is an open mind and a pair of ears.

Even if it's clearly a succesful artistic accomplishment, it's bound to fail for many, which is a damn shame.

[jaymas9]

I will say though, that Raven and BEF are butchered beyond the point of really being good songs to me in their post 2001 forms.I disagree regarding Raven, BEF certainly downgraded from LWS to Busted Stuff, but I can say I still enjoy the song immensely. I do think that most of these songs remained in tact in a live setting though even if they are played in their Busted Stuff form, which is a great thing. I guess what I'm getting at is, if the band can put together 12 songs that are the quality of the busted stuff songs, I'd be happy. Because I know an album can't feel any more devoid of emotion than Busted Stuff did, so if the songs are there, their album versions will be better when compared to Busted Stuff. However, that being said the problem since Some Devil has been getting good songs at the core even onto an effing album. So we'll see what happens.

[headlessnancie]

there is nothing wrong with busted stuff.

it's much better than stand up and i'd even consider it better than everyday.
what is wrong with you people??

[MistreatedLewis]

there is nothing wrong with busted stuff.

it's much better than stand up and i'd even consider it better than everyday.
what is wrong with you people??

It's not better than Everyday. One in awhile I'll listen to Everyday. Not so with BS.

[Swizz2007]

Busted Stuff has classic songs (Bartender, Grey Street, Raven), something Everyday doesn't have. It also doesn't have god-awful songs, something Everyday does have (Mother Father, Fool To Think, Angel).

[#36 yup]

I guess I'd be pleased with second worst. I don't have real high expectations. I still kinda like their worst album tho (stand up).

[TwoStep2888]

Busted Stuff. Anything on par with or better than Everyday would be great.

[MistreatedLewis]

Busted Stuff has classic songs (Bartender, Grey Street, Raven), something Everyday doesn't have. It also doesn't have god-awful songs, something Everyday does have (Mother Father, Fool To Think, Angel).

I wouldn't call Raven from BS a good song. And I can't even bring myself to call MF, FTT, or Angel god-awful compared to the bullshit they have released on their last album.

What Everyday DOES have, however, is a whole bunch of pretty good songs, at least in my opinion (IIHIA, So Right, DOOF, STDH...) quite well produced as a standard pop-rock album (read: U2, Coldplay) and are enjoyable to listen to.

Other than Grey Street, I find I have zero reason to ever throw on BS.

[Empyrean421]

To be honest, I'm not a big fan of any studio recordings. I think every recorded version if it has been played live its been played way better.

DMB is not meant for the studio. I bet they don't enjoy the studio that much. But with Rashawn now around I bet they are going to be able to do some pretty powerful stuff in the studio. The trumped just gives them a bit more power. I think it was a genius addition. I really hope he is on all or most of the studio recordings.

[born 1991]

I'd say it should be better than Busted Stuff, but then again, I heard it before tLWS and thought it was really good at that time.

[bibby1044]

Mother Father imo is a very good song, it took me untill this year to appreciate it but Ill never understand why everyone hates it.

[rickyh24]

Everyday

[MistreatedLewis]

Everyday

:thumbsup

[Fisherman]

It has to at least be as good as Crash

[sonofsuns34]

If it is self produced then i kinda expect a busted stuff kinda feel to it... stripped down and straightfoward music.

However if they manage to get a decent producer who knows how to actually work with this band then it better be as good as the big three...

[born 1991]

If it is self produced then i kinda expect a busted stuff kinda feel to it... stripped down and straightfoward music.

However if they manage to get a decent producer who knows how to actually work with this band then it better be as good as the big three...

Good prediction. Hopefully we're gonna be calling them the Big Four when it's released though.

[DaveMB36]

^I don't know if there will ever be the Big 4...not because they couldn't make one of that quality but people around here will find a reason to find flaws and such

Positive thinking everyone

[Malaguy]

i voted for crash, just fucking because.

i also agree that while LWS is superior to BS, BS gets alot of undue hate.

[tortoise]

Other than Grey Street, I find I have zero reason to ever throw on BS.

this board seriously suffers from LWS syndrome.

Busted Stuff >>>>>>> LWS. It's not even a comparison. LWS is so full of itself, arrogant and stiff. BS is kick back, simple, and just so much better.

I will give LWS the nod for Digging a Ditch, but other than that, I always prefer the BS versions, by a lot.

I truly believe this board gives LWS so much praise simply because it was never released.

There, I said it :)

[bothedmbfan]

this board seriously suffers from LWS syndrome.

Busted Stuff >>>>>>> LWS. It's not even a comparison. LWS is so full of itself, arrogant and stiff. BS is kick back, simple, and just so much better.

I will give LWS the nod for Digging a Ditch, but other than that, I always prefer the BS versions, by a lot.

I truly believe this board gives LWS so much praise simply because it was never released.

There, I said it :)

Sort of...

LWS is absolutly fantastic, though I agree that it's not as good as Busted Stuff.

HOnestly, I have it BS #1, LWS #2, UTTAD #3 so on and so forth.

[tortoise]

LWS is absolutly fantastic, though I agree that it's not as good as Busted Stuff.


I should clarify, I got into rant mode because it bugs me how much flack BS gets around here.

Although I stand by what I said two posts ago, I don't think LWS is crap or anything. I still listen to it a good deal.

[MistreatedLewis]

I should clarify, I got into rant mode because it bugs me how much flack BS gets around here.

Although I stand by what I said two posts ago, I don't think LWS is crap or anything. I still listen to it a good deal.

Busted Stuff is total shit.

[zachyd]

Busted Stuff is total shit.

Gotta disagree here Brian, my friend. Its usually #2 for me (behind BTCS).

You'd love it more if the LWS didn't exist.

[SmoothG]

Gotta disagree here Brian, my friend. Its usually #2 for me (behind BTCS).

You'd love it more if the LWS didn't exist.

I've never understood this argument.

[dmbdreamingtree]

Busted Stuff is total shit.

i'd say mediocre

[bothedmbfan]

Busted Stuff is total shit.

I beg to differ good sir.

[bcpaul7]

The consensus seems to be that DMB needs to repair the bridge they built between BTCS and where they are today. I think we were all disappointed with Everyday being the release after we expected TLWS. Though it gave us Everyday and What You Are, the two albums aren't even close. Though I personally don't hold Stand Up with as little regard as most ants, I don't think an album as good would be successful in the eyes of the dmb faithful.
So at a minimum it would have to be "better" than those two. Or put more appropriately more vintage DMB than those two.

As for Busted Stuff. To start to put together a compilation of songs as good as Busted Stuff (I agree Lillywhite Sessions was going to be a better version and it included Sweet Up and Down), would mean revisiting the 2004 stuff (specifically Crazy Easy) to go with anything since 2006. They would do well in my mind to include Sweet Up & Down. Though to be better than Busted Stuff, you have to have better songs than Grey Street, Bartender, Grace is Gone, Big Eyed Fish, and Raven. As good as Crazy Easy is I don't know that they have even one more song that isn't disputed heavily among fans. So being better than Busted Stuff would seem to be a serious accomplishment. Since Crazy Easy was cut from Stand-Up, I'd imagine that they aren't looking to revisit it. Thus I have low expectation for the next one.

I posted on another thread that they should throw to gether a sampling of their B sides comingled with known new material. Oh yeah, why not sprinkle in a cover or two? Would anyone be upset with studio cut of Angel From Montgomery or The Maker?

Joy Ride (They have a studio version already)
Sweet Up & Down (Lillywhite Studio Session)
Granny (They had to have recorded this at some point)
The Maker
Crazy Easy
Idea of You
Cornbread
Sister
Shotgun
Can't Stop (Yes shorten and re-work some lyrics, but keep the burn like a junkie for you..that is a vintage dave line).
Help Myself (Again they have a studio version of this too)
Angel From Montgomery

I am sure they have other stuff available (and I excluded Watchtower from the cover intentionally), but wouldn't that line-up go a long way to repairing the bridge they seemed to burn between themselves and the Lillywhite years? It would be better than Stand-Up and Everyday. It would be at least comparable to Busted Stuff.

[krbarrett77]

I Busted Stuff also, it was the first studio album I every bought by this band. This cd and the folsom field cd is what got me into DMB. Busted Stuff gets way too much hate on these boards. I would take Busted Stuff over the Lillywhites anyday of the week.

surely you jest.

Each time I listen to the Lillywhites I think to myself "This may be unfinished...but I'll be damned if it's not the best they've ever done." There's a soul on that album that remains because it didn't get the final production touch.

[SmoothG]

I posted on another thread that they should throw to gether a sampling of their B sides comingled with known new material. Oh yeah, why not sprinkle in a cover or two? Would anyone be upset with studio cut of Angel From Montgomery or The Maker?

Joy Ride (They have a studio version already)
Sweet Up & Down (Lillywhite Studio Session)
Granny (They had to have recorded this at some point)
The Maker
Crazy Easy
Idea of You
Cornbread
Sister
Shotgun
Can't Stop (Yes shorten and re-work some lyrics, but keep the burn like a junkie for you..that is a vintage dave line).
Help Myself (Again they have a studio version of this too)
Angel From Montgomery


I sure hope not. That would be a sad sad day if they released that cd. Angel from Montgomery :lol

[born 1991]

I sure hope not. That would be a sad sad day if they released that cd. Angel from Montgomery :lol

Dude...

[amoore624426]

it has to be this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bad_Hair_Day

[SmoothG]

Dude...

Dude...

[CoffeeJanitor]

Joy Ride (They have a studio version already)
Sweet Up & Down (Lillywhite Studio Session)
Granny (They had to have recorded this at some point)
The Maker
Crazy Easy
Idea of You
Cornbread
Sister
Shotgun
Can't Stop (Yes shorten and re-work some lyrics, but keep the burn like a junkie for you..that is a vintage dave line).
Help Myself (Again they have a studio version of this too)
Angel From MontgomeryYou're aware the band has the ability to write new songs, right?

Sister is purely a solo tune IMO. As for Can't Stop...If there is a God it will be kept off the album.

[~Crashintome89~]

I say Everyday. I love Busted Stuff and if it is anywhere near it then I will be very pleased. But I think this new producer they have will take it beyond Busted Stuff. I don't have a lack of faith on the production side anymore, rather how much effort the guys put in the studio.