what will Antsmarching.org be like....

[comerelaxnow]

if the new album sucks??? DMB has done it before, dropped all of the good songs for new ones that aren't as good. Are the fans that already think that DMB is going downhill going to still be around or will you finally just give up? Are the fans that love DMB and would like anything they come out with going to start having doubts??

I fall into the catergory that loves DMB and likes alot of what they come out with. of course i know that Stand Up is the worst cd but i do put it in once in a while and enjoy it to an extent. But i also don't like a number of songs from the early days either.

Im excited to hear the new songs we haven't heard yet. i always love hearing a DMB song for the 1st time. even if its not so good.

so what will happen if the new cd sucks??

[dmbmuskie]

I think it would be Armageddon. I'll always love the music DMB made through 2000, but I'd be done if they dropped another turd on us.

I think it's very very possible this will go down.

It's funny that you talk about DMB songs being great the first time you hear them. The first versions of Crazy Easy, Shotgun, and IOY are the best in my opinion, and then they all took a turn for the worse.

[Benco]

Many people will leave for good.

[zajDmB1]

Many people will leave for good.

People will say they will leave for good, but they won't. Unless the band did something sooooooo shitty, like worse than Stand Up, people have invested to much time in every possible sense of the word in this band to simply pack up. They will say they will leave to make a point, but they won't. They can't.

[DMB0715]

I'd love to say I'd leave, but I never will. And I know it.

[comerelaxnow]

I think it would be Armageddon. I'll always love the music DMB made through 2000, but I'd be done if they dropped another turd on us.

I think it's very very possible this will go down.

It's funny that you talk about DMB songs being great the first time you hear them. The first versions of Crazy Easy, Shotgun, and IOY are the best in my opinion, and then they all took a turn for the worse.

yes! Crazy Easy and IOY were awesome the 1st time they played them. over time Crazy Easy was bad and IOY turned into an insanly corny song

[Benco]

People will say they will leave for good, but they won't. Unless the band did something sooooooo shitty, like worse than Stand Up, people have invested to much time in every possible sense of the word in this band to simply pack up. They will say they will leave to make a point, but they won't. They can't.

I'm not saying they wouldn't keep up their collections of shows just for sentimental value. I'm not even saying they would stop going to shows for nostalgic value. But they absolutely would not post on a fan forum everyday.

[dmbmuskie]

Crazy/Easy was such bitter spiteful song at first, and then all of a sudden it was a love song.

[dmbmuskie]

People will leave. Their was a mass exodus after Everyday, and it could happen again.

[comerelaxnow]

People will leave. Their was a mass exodus after Everyday, and it could happen again.

thats sad

[MistreatedLewis]

It will be exactly the same as it is now. Some people will get fed up and leave, a few vocal critics will remain, and there will be a flood of new DMB apologists.

[SmoothRider[PL]]

Well... I will never hate/stop listening/leave DMB. No matter what.
This band changed my life, opened my eyes for so many things. Without it I'd never be the same guy I am now.

[JMcCartyFBI]

People will leave. Their was a mass exodus after Everyday, and it could happen again.

Well, Ants was barely around for the Everyday exodus (in which virtually all my friends who had got me into DMB threw in the towel). But it will be similar to Stand Up. Lots of really cool people will just pack up and leave. Stand Up put AmIDreaming and Nancies on life support. Another bad album will probably finish them off. Same with DMBTabs. I wish the band would realize that when the musicians in your fanbase start leaving in droves, to be replaced by the MTV/Top 40 radio crowd, there's something not right with what you're doing.

[Pig17]

Still stuck in 1998.

[JMcCartyFBI]

Still stuck in 1998.

I'd say were stuck in 2000 more than anything else, to be honest.

[tmorry326]

The 24um will be even more popular.

However, I can't wait for album release day. DMBc will be going insane.

[number4ty1]

A shitload of whiners

[Bartender1717]

If they leave....they are posers.

[MistreatedLewis]

If they leave....they are posers.

This wins the stupidest post of all time award.

[Bartender1717]

This wins the stupidest post of all time award. You know its funny...I used to like you and repected alot of what you said. It seems in my short time away from the ants boards (mainly to stay away from this exact behavior) you have changed your tone.


I was obviously joking around...:BANG

[Bartender1717]

Well, Ants was barely around for the Everyday exodus (in which virtually all my friends who had got me into DMB threw in the towel). But it will be similar to Stand Up. Lots of really cool people will just pack up and leave. Stand Up put AmIDreaming and Nancies on life support. Another bad album will probably finish them off. Same with DMBTabs. I wish the band would realize that when the musicians in your fanbase start leaving in droves, to be replaced by the MTV/Top 40 radio crowd, there's something not right with what you're doing.
I love your sig:lol

[DMB0715]

You know its funny...I used to like you and repected alot of what you said. It seems in my short time away from the ants boards (mainly to stay away from this exact behavior) you have changed your tone.


I was obviously joking around...:BANG

I'm not 100% sure, but I don't think he cares. About anything.

[DMB0715]

The 24um will be even more popular.

However, I can't wait for album release day. DMBc will be going insane.

People were still freaking out when I first came to this place.
Does anyone remember how they released all of the songs on VH1.com or something like that? What was up with that?

[dmb5570]

I think a lot of people will leave, and thats fine, they probably arent the people posting here all the time anyways. The people that will stay will probably A)complain about the new album in every other thread, B) put more of their focus on talking about the earlier stuff(big three) and just be nostalgic, and C) if its that bad,people might actually talking about how good Stand up is(ive always loved everyday, but it seems to have gotten more love after stand up since people hate that even more).

[tmorry326]

I wonder if we'll get a cool new http://www.dmbnewstudioalbum.com/ this time around.

[planstoquit]

There are a few "old school" idiots like myself who weren't part of the mass exodus after Everyday. We had hope, optimism, and well.....blissful ignorance in 2001. 7 years later, I can't bear to listen to an Ants Marching, Tripping Billies, Warehouse, Too Much, because this shit is so old already...literally old enough to vote.

The newer fans will like the new stuff but the general malaise that the older fans have (the few of us on these boards) will stay the same.

Speaking for older fans, we have given up. This band is now a relic of their former self and that's a fact.

It's sucks that the band died after 2000. Back in 98, who would have thought that this band would only have 2 more years. Kinda crazy.

Staring at a sea of Busted Stuff (+- game) or Cover (+- game) threads is depressing.

But even more depressing are threads like "Would you rather see a 20 minute Seek Up?" - a song that came out 13 fuckin years ago or "What makes a great barteneder" or Lovely Lady thread - topics that are 8 years old.

Honestly, if this is what the fans are left to talk about, this shit is done.

[MistreatedLewis]

There are a few "old school" idiots like myself who weren't part of the mass exodus after Everyday. We had hope, optimism, and well.....blissful ignorance in 2001. 7 years later, I can't bear to listen to an Ants Marching, Tripping Billies, Warehouse, Too Much, because this shit is so old already...literally old enough to vote.

The newer fans will like the new stuff but the general malaise that the older fans have (the few of us on these boards) will stay the same.

Speaking for older fans, we have given up. This band is now a relic of their former self and that's a fact.

It's sucks that the band died after 2000. Back in 98, who would have thought that this band would only have 2 more years. Kinda crazy.

Staring at a sea of Busted Stuff (+- game) or Cover (+- game) threads is depressing.

But even more depressing are threads like "Would you rather see a 20 minute Seek Up?" - a song that came out 13 fuckin years ago or "What makes a great barteneder" or Lovely Lady thread - topics that are 8 years old.

Honestly, if this is what the fans are left to talk about, this shit is done.

I can still listen to Ants Marching and Too Much because I'm a psycho.

But otherwise, yeah, you said it.

[DMB0715]

There are a few "old school" idiots like myself who weren't part of the mass exodus after Everyday. We had hope, optimism, and well.....blissful ignorance in 2001. 7 years later, I can't bear to listen to an Ants Marching, Tripping Billies, Warehouse, Too Much, because this shit is so old already...literally old enough to vote.

The newer fans will like the new stuff but the general malaise that the older fans have (the few of us on these boards) will stay the same.

Speaking for older fans, we have given up. This band is now a relic of their former self and that's a fact.

It's sucks that the band died after 2000. Back in 98, who would have thought that this band would only have 2 more years. Kinda crazy.

Staring at a sea of Busted Stuff (+- game) or Cover (+- game) threads is depressing.

But even more depressing are threads like "Would you rather see a 20 minute Seek Up?" - a song that came out 13 fuckin years ago or "What makes a great barteneder" or Lovely Lady thread - topics that are 8 years old.

Honestly, if this is what the fans are left to talk about, this shit is done.
Soo...
22 minute Seek Up is a great thing, right?

[Benco]

There are a few "old school" idiots like myself who weren't part of the mass exodus after Everyday. We had hope, optimism, and well.....blissful ignorance in 2001. 7 years later, I can't bear to listen to an Ants Marching, Tripping Billies, Warehouse, Too Much, because this shit is so old already...literally old enough to vote.

The newer fans will like the new stuff but the general malaise that the older fans have (the few of us on these boards) will stay the same.

Speaking for older fans, we have given up. This band is now a relic of their former self and that's a fact.

It's sucks that the band died after 2000. Back in 98, who would have thought that this band would only have 2 more years. Kinda crazy.

Staring at a sea of Busted Stuff (+- game) or Cover (+- game) threads is depressing.

But even more depressing are threads like "Would you rather see a 20 minute Seek Up?" - a song that came out 13 fuckin years ago or "What makes a great barteneder" or Lovely Lady thread - topics that are 8 years old.

Honestly, if this is what the fans are left to talk about, this shit is done.

Your logic is seriously flawed.

Great songs don't become bad just because they are old.

By your logic, Sgt .Pepper (Beatles) is now a bad album because it's 40 years old. Bullshit.

Dave Matthews Band is an act that is still standing the test of time. New fans are experiencing the band for the first time everyday. That includes their older material (hence the discussion about topics that are according to you, "old and depressing", such as the Lovely Ladies.

I'm sorry you don't enjoy great music anymore just because it's from 1993.

But it's still is and always will great. The artistic value doesn't change with time. If anything, their recent efforts just makes their older material even more special and amazing.

Regardless of what you think the band is or what you think the band should be now, you can't take any of that away.

If you aren't satisfied, shut the fuck up and move onto other things. But many of us still enjoy what the band has to offer in 2008.

[jiggajm18]

even if the new album sucks, i still won't leave as long as they continue to play their pre-2001 songs

[Benco]

^^ you kind of fucked up my momentum, man. :giggle:

I just tore into the OP, and you make some stupid one liner.

[jiggajm18]

^^ you kind of fucked up my momentum, man. :giggle:

I just tore into the OP, and you make some stupid one liner.


ah sorry man. but thats honestly how i feel. i think the 2006-2007 songs do show some potential. but so did the 2000 songs and look what happened from there. i think the band definitly has good music left in them (and Some Devil is proof that dave does)......its just whether or not they get the desire to work hard on it.

[hoke2007]

I don't want to ruin anyone's momentum here, but I think that the band has heard our cries and will make a better album. I'm really hoping that this album has some great new tunes, some road-tested songs, and a couple oldies that are a little reworked (SUAD???). I'm really optimistic about this new album, but if it sucks then I'll be pretty upset, but I'll still be here.

[swampdonkey]

Your logic is seriously flawed.

Great songs don't become bad just because they are old.

By your logic, Sgt .Pepper (Beatles) is now a bad album because it's 40 years old. Bullshit.

Dave Matthews Band is an act that is still standing the test of time. New fans are experiencing the band for the first time everyday. That includes their older material (hence the discussion about topics that are according to you, "old and depressing", such as the Lovely Ladies.

I'm sorry you don't enjoy great music anymore just because it's from 1993.

But it's still is and always will great. The artistic value doesn't change with time. If anything, their recent efforts just makes their older material even more special and amazing.

Regardless of what you think the band is or what you think the band should be now, you can't take any of that away.

If you aren't satisfied, shut the fuck up and move onto other things. But many of us still enjoy what the band has to offer in 2008.

:thumbsup:thumbsup
Good points...pwnd

[MistreatedLewis]

I don't want to ruin anyone's momentum here, but I think that the band has heard our cries and will make a better album. I'm really hoping that this album has some great new tunes, some road-tested songs, and a couple oldies that are a little reworked (SUAD???). I'm really optimistic about this new album, but if it sucks then I'll be pretty upset, but I'll still be here.

Our cries? It's been like me and five other people out of the whole fanbase.

[jaymas9]

Our cries? It's been like me and five other people out of the whole fanbase.Ehhh I don't know about that. Sure you are outspoken ML, and I agree with you a lot. But even seeing shows this year, it is so obvious people still get twice as excited for the LIOG's and Billies, and Seek Up's etc, than the Bayou's and YMDT's. I'm not saying this album is going to be great, but aborted studio sessions with band members walking out means someone knows something isn't right. That gives me hope that maybe, just maybe, they will focus for this next one. And I really think there are a lot more people than you think who are not happy with Stand Up, maybe they accept it more than you, or me, or whoever, but these people still know it isn't that good. And I think the band knows it isn't that good. Are they in too deep of a rut to get out? I don't know, but whatever happened to scrap that last album is a good thing.

[planstoquit]

Your logic is seriously flawed.

Great songs don't become bad just because they are old.

By your logic, Sgt .Pepper (Beatles) is now a bad album because it's 40 years old. Bullshit.

Dave Matthews Band is an act that is still standing the test of time. New fans are experiencing the band for the first time everyday. That includes their older material (hence the discussion about topics that are according to you, "old and depressing", such as the Lovely Ladies.

I'm sorry you don't enjoy great music anymore just because it's from 1993.

But it's still is and always will great. The artistic value doesn't change with time. If anything, their recent efforts just makes their older material even more special and amazing.

Regardless of what you think the band is or what you think the band should be now, you can't take any of that away.

If you aren't satisfied, shut the fuck up and move onto other things. But many of us still enjoy what the band has to offer in 2008.

Okay

So you opened your post claiming that my logic is flawed, reason being that "great songs don't become bad just because they're old".

I'd like you to look at my post and tell me where I said this. You took my avoiding songs like Tripping Billies, Ants, Too Much, to mean that these songs are bad. However, I never said this. I simply said that I don't listen to them anymore.

So your premise in the claim that my logic is flawed is based on a complete inference or assumption which leads me to believe that you don't warrant much talking to.

I understand that newer fans are experiencing the bands older music and yes, that is the reason for posts relating to older music and older themes. However, the point that I was making which, many (but not you) can comprehend, is that the sheer proliferation of these posts prove that the band has not done anything remotely exciting in a long time.

Again, I never said that the band's current material soils or besmirches the reputation of the band; I just stated that the flood of threads on wildly old topics prove that the band is done and has been for a long time.

And while I'm making an enemy with this post, I might as well bring the dude who said "owned" into the mix:

On a message board, nobody will ever have the last word and throwing out "owned", while it may make you feel secure and strong, it is a false sense of strength that is so fragile it will splinter at the touch. You essentially said "owned" to a post that is full of false accusations and illogical debate. Nicely done.

[AFurth]

People will say they will leave for good, but they won't. Unless the band did something sooooooo shitty, like worse than Stand Up, people have invested to much time in every possible sense of the word in this band to simply pack up. They will say they will leave to make a point, but they won't. They can't.

i haven't listened to dmb in about 3 months. like - maybe 1 time through a few songs on my buddy's piedmont CD. there's no energy - no freshness.

it all seems so stale.

they need new material and they need to jam/play the shit out of it. with some real emotion.

i kind of hope upon hope it rocks

[dmb5570]

yea, i dfeinitely need some songs that go over the 5 minute mark and even on the cd have some nice jams in them. Theres nothing like listening to the early stuff when they actually jammed on the cd's, that would be a great way to step up the new album.

[Jimi's Thing]

Mass hysteria, cats and dogs living together!!!!!

I say regular posts in DMBc is cut in a 1/4, so a noticeable difference but not a total dropoff. I probably wouldn't leave...it all depends I guess.

[kydmb99]

Ehh... I honestly don't know if they can get any worse than they are right now, so it wouldn't be that much different IMO. Unlike with Stand Up I really don't expect much so it'd just be..... whatever.

[ninjarebear]

Your logic is seriously flawed.

Great songs don't become bad just because they are old.

By your logic, Sgt .Pepper (Beatles) is now a bad album because it's 40 years old. Bullshit.

Dave Matthews Band is an act that is still standing the test of time. New fans are experiencing the band for the first time everyday. That includes their older material (hence the discussion about topics that are according to you, "old and depressing", such as the Lovely Ladies.

I'm sorry you don't enjoy great music anymore just because it's from 1993.

But it's still is and always will great. The artistic value doesn't change with time. If anything, their recent efforts just makes their older material even more special and amazing.

Regardless of what you think the band is or what you think the band should be now, you can't take any of that away.

If you aren't satisfied, shut the fuck up and move onto other things. But many of us still enjoy what the band has to offer in 2008.



kudos for the beatles name drop. :thumbsup

[ninjarebear]

And people, shut up. Yeah, Stand up wasn't amazing, and neither was Everyday. You act like the albums were made by down-syndrome patients (no offense). The albums are nothing to BTCS, BS, and of course UTTAD, but quit comparing them to those. It will not benefit your liking of DMB at all, so why fucking sit there and bitch about an album? Just appreciate the fact they're still making music and listen to the album.

[Trippin4136]

I will continue to have 93% of my posts remain in 24um/Tailgate/PoliSci and pop into DMBc when I feel like being nostalgic. Just like I have since, oooooh, about 2004.

[Trippin4136]

And people, shut up. Yeah, Stand up wasn't amazing, and neither was Everyday. You act like the albums were made by down-syndrome patients (no offense). The albums are nothing to BTCS, BS, and of course UTTAD, but quit comparing them to those. It will not benefit your liking of DMB at all, so why fucking sit there and bitch about an album? Just appreciate the fact they're still making music and listen to the album.

a) Crash??


b) No, thank you. I continue to discuss DMB music but haven't listened to Everyday since probably February 28, 2001.

[ninjarebear]

a) Crash??


b) No, thank you. I continue to discuss DMB music but haven't listened to Everyday since probably February 28, 2001.


Yes, Crash as well. And I don't blame you for not listening to Everyday. That album is better in small doses.

[spoot388]

I think a lot of people will leave here, but they will still go to a show or two every year because no matter how bad the new songs suck, summer just won't be the same to them without a Snare Intro or Boyd solo. I think people will still go and suffer through bad songs to hear those classics. Maybe not as often, but still will go, although they probably won't be around here much.

[rball1127]

people may disagree with with but whatever. if you like it or not, there's only gonna be a couple new cd's if that released by this band, so why not enjoy it? DMB will not be releasing cd's in 10 yrs, so why don't you make the most of what they put out and enjoy it.



you may hate stand up, but go on itunes and compare it to the top 10 albums right now. stand up isn't nearly DMB best work, but it's better then most SHIT put out by bands today.

[spoot388]

people may disagree with with but whatever. if you like it or not, there's only gonna be a couple new cd's if that released by this band, so why not enjoy it? DMB will not be releasing cd's in 10 yrs, so why don't you make the most of what they put out and enjoy it.



you may hate stand up, but go on itunes and compare it to the top 10 albums right now. stand up isn't nearly DMB best work, but it's better then most SHIT put out by bands today.


truth

[comerelaxnow]

And people, shut up. Yeah, Stand up wasn't amazing, and neither was Everyday. You act like the albums were made by down-syndrome patients (no offense). The albums are nothing to BTCS, BS, and of course UTTAD, but quit comparing them to those. It will not benefit your liking of DMB at all, so why fucking sit there and bitch about an album? Just appreciate the fact they're still making music and listen to the album.

yep! i listened to Stand Up today for the 1st time in a while and i really enjoyed it. i like the cd. of course its not anything compared to the 1st 3 but who gives a shit? honestly people need to stop complaining about it.

[comerelaxnow]

people may disagree with with but whatever. if you like it or not, there's only gonna be a couple new cd's if that released by this band, so why not enjoy it? DMB will not be releasing cd's in 10 yrs, so why don't you make the most of what they put out and enjoy it.



you may hate stand up, but go on itunes and compare it to the top 10 albums right now. stand up isn't nearly DMB best work, but it's better then most SHIT put out by bands today.


DMBs worst album still makes me sing along and dance.

[rball1127]

DMBs worst album still makes me sing along and dance.

exactly!

are people gonna tell me they don't rock out at shows during bayou?

[CapnHani06]

Mass hysteria, cats and dogs living together!!!!!

I say regular posts in DMBc is cut in a 1/4, so a noticeable difference but not a total dropoff. I probably wouldn't leave...it all depends I guess.

+10 on the ghostbusters reference :thumbsup

[walktheline]

I'd love to say I'd leave, but I never will. And I know it.

sad but true!

[Steelers36]

And people, shut up. Yeah, Stand up wasn't amazing, and neither was Everyday. You act like the albums were made by down-syndrome patients (no offense). The albums are nothing to BTCS, BS, and of course UTTAD, but quit comparing them to those. It will not benefit your liking of DMB at all, so why fucking sit there and bitch about an album? Just appreciate the fact they're still making music and listen to the album.

So you recomend that we just ignore how bad they have been for several years now and just throw our money at them even though we aren't satisfied with what we are hearing? That having an opinion is meaningless so just shut up and take what they give you because they don't feel like trying anymore?

[Sdljets#41]

good or bad, im going to soak it all in and enjoy it.

[comerelaxnow]

So you recomend that we just ignore how bad they have been for several years now and just throw our money at them even though we aren't satisfied with what we are hearing? That having an opinion is meaningless so just shut up and take what they give you because they don't feel like trying anymore?

nobody is making you throw money at the band. if your not satisfied with what your hearing then don't listen.

i don't understand what the crisis situation is with some fans. the band has toured for almost 2 decades all the time, constantly writting new songs, constantly putting on great shows and everytime they slip up they get trashed on. there is not ONE band out there like DMB and you have to take the good with the bad and just enjoy these guys. why it has to turn into this huge deal all the time is beyond me. the band isn't always going to make you happy. don't like Stand Up? don't buy it. but the band will play songs off of it so the second you buy a ticket you no longer can complain when you hear Bayou or Stand Up because you know what you were going to get. nobody cares when people get all upset at a band for playing a song they don't like.

look at all the work this band does. look at all the happiness and great times you had with this group. its sad how much complaining goes on around here. the band has 2 less than par cds out of 6 studio ones and its like dooms day.

[Steelers36]

nobody is making you throw money at the band. if your not satisfied with what your hearing then don't listen.

I don't plan on spending anymore money on this band until they have started making the kind of music that we all know they are capable of. I have wasted enough money the past three years on CD's and tickets that have only left me disappointed. That does not mean I have to stop listening or that I can not have an opinion. I have been a fan of this band for a long time and have invested a great deal of money into them, so I will voice my displeasure whether you like it or not.

i don't understand what the crisis situation is with some fans. the band has toured for almost 2 decades all the time, constantly writting new songs, constantly putting on great shows and everytime they slip up they get trashed on. there is not ONE band out there like DMB and you have to take the good with the bad and just enjoy these guys. why it has to turn into this huge deal all the time is beyond me. the band isn't always going to make you happy. don't like Stand Up? don't buy it. but the band will play songs off of it so the second you buy a ticket you no longer can complain when you hear Bayou or Stand Up because you know what you were going to get. nobody cares when people get all upset at a band for playing a song they don't like. Really? I haven't been to one in years. If you aren't at the Gorge, Red Rocks, Alpine or SPAC you get the same average to bad show as everyone else. After three straight years of paying $50 plus per ticket to hear the same show over and over again I do not believe that they care about putting on the best show possible for their fans. I don't expect them to write music that will always please me, but outside of four or five songs in the past six years, they haven't. I'm sure they have realized this as their fan base has shrunk considerably with each album. They don't sell out like they use to and its due to them releasing bad music.

look at all the work this band does. look at all the happiness and great times you had with this group. its sad how much complaining goes on around here. the band has 2 less than par cds out of 6 studio ones and its like dooms day.I think that DMB has three really good CD's and three really bad. Stand Up is the worst collection of songs I have bought in the past five years, Everyday is average AT BEST, and Busted Stuff is nothing but half assed versions of really good songs that they didn't want to work on anymore since it got too hard. They have picked the path of least resistence when it comes to producing albums since BTCS, each producer more useless than the last.

This band has provided me with some great times, I will always remember going to shows with friends, waiting in line for tickets, etc. But I think that the band has changed more than I have. They just don't seem to have the same desire or interest that they had, even four years ago. That was the last time they wrote songs that made you think they still had what made them so great before. If this album is as bad as Stand Up or only slightly better, then I will wash my hands with this band. I will listen to it before I buy it, but I really don't expect that the new album will be any good.

[comerelaxnow]

I don't plan on spending anymore money on this band until they have started making the kind of music that we all know they are capable of. I have wasted enough money the past three years on CD's and tickets that have only left me disappointed. That does not mean I have to stop listening or that I can not have an opinion. I have been a fan of this band for a long time and have invested a great deal of money into them, so I will voice my displeasure whether you like it or not.



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i meant stop listening to the music that you don't like. you said "So you recomend that we just ignore how bad they have been for several years now and just throw our money at them even though we aren't satisfied with what we are hearing?" and all i said was if your not satisfied with it then don't buy it. i didn't say stop listening to DMB all together. nobody is making you buy tickets to shows and buy albums.

[comerelaxnow]

I
Really? I haven't been to one in years. If you aren't at the Gorge, Red Rocks, Alpine or SPAC you get the same average to bad show as everyone else. After three straight years of paying $50 plus per ticket to hear the same show over and over again I do not believe that they care about putting on the best show possible for their fans. I don't expect them to write music that will always please me, but outside of four or five songs in the past six years, they haven't. I'm sure they have realized this as their fan base has shrunk considerably with each album. They don't sell out like they use to and its due to them releasing bad music.

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see this is where i think some fans just over think things. you guys just think that DMB only cares about money and has no concern about their fans and putting on a good show anymore? Dmb is just lazy right?? its like 5 year old children who didn't get a cookie after dinner around here.

[Steelers36]

i meant stop listening to the music that you don't like. you said "So you recomend that we just ignore how bad they have been for several years now and just throw our money at them even though we aren't satisfied with what we are hearing?" and all i said was if your not satisfied with it then don't buy it. i didn't say stop listening to DMB all together. nobody is making you buy tickets to shows and buy albums.

I shouldn't have to stop going to shows after all of these years because they insist on playing ten songs that are bad, four that are average, and three that are good. They know their last few albums have been shitty, how could they not.

And you are right, no one made me buy the albums or tickets, and I do not intend to unless proven wrong about what they write while in the studio. However, it does not mean I can't have an opinion simply because it isn't the same as yours. Because I won't spend anymore money does not mean I can't complain about the waste of money that they past few years have been. It may be dissenting from yours and the rest of the DMB ass kissers but it doesn't mean mine can't be expressed.

see this is where i think some fans just over think things. you guys just think that DMB only cares about money and has no concern about their fans and putting on a good show anymore? Dmb is just lazy right?? its like 5 year old children who didn't get a cookie after dinner around here.

This is where some fans are nothing more than DMB apologists. You are willing to keep telling everyone don't worry, they really are committed to making a better album. They road tested songs so it has to be good.

Well the songs they wrote for Stand Up were god awful, as are all of the songs that they have written since. 27, Cornbread, Shotgun, etc aren't worth the ticket price and its a shame that the eternal optimists out there are going to bury their heads in the sand and dump money out for insipid lyrics and boring ass music. Compare the last three years setlists at Riverbend to the setlists at the Gorge, SPAC, and Alpine and tell me that they dont produce better setlists and songs for those venues than others.

No Last Stop, Sweet Up and Down, JTR, Big Eyed Fish, Digging a Ditch, Dreaming Tree, Granny, Joy Ride, Pig, Proudest Monkey, Raven, Say Goodbye, or So Right. Thats damn near enough to fill an entire set. Instead for the last three years we in Cincy have gotten plenty of Bayou, Where are you Going, Too much -> So much to say, Hunger, and Dreamgirl. Hell they were booed when they left the stage in 2006 because the show was so bad.

[OlivePoet]

I think Antsmarching.org will be more like high school.

[trpnbillie11]

Kind of like Chernobyl without the charm.

[elconguero]

i'm out if this next album sucks. i kind of hide that i still listen to them in front of my friends as it is. its all good though. dave will probably have at least one more good solo album in him.

i will just go listen to wilco or radiohead(to a lesser extent) who amazingly get better as they get older. bizarre concept right. bands that don't care about the radio or teeny boppers. bands that push themselves and build off of their previous efforts rather then make a 180 just to do it for fun, or when it gets too hard and requires too much effort.

anyone want to hear nels cline on sugar will? i sure as hell do. saw them at the tower last weekend. the guitar attack was ridiculous. i miss tim reynolds.

[comerelaxnow]

I shouldn't have to stop going to shows after all of these years because they insist on playing ten songs that are bad, four that are average, and three that are good. They know their last few albums have been shitty, how could they not.






man nobody is saying that you have to stop going to shows. just if you buy a ticket to a DMB concert you have to go in knowing your going to get some Stand Up and Everyday material. and if this is too much of a problem for you and its going to ruin your whole expirence then your better off not wasting your money

[bbianca1982]

I shouldn't have to stop going to shows after all of these years because they insist on playing ten songs that are bad, four that are average, and three that are good. They know their last few albums have been shitty, how could they not.

And you are right, no one made me buy the albums or tickets, and I do not intend to unless proven wrong about what they write while in the studio. However, it does not mean I can't have an opinion simply because it isn't the same as yours. Because I won't spend anymore money does not mean I can't complain about the waste of money that they past few years have been. It may be dissenting from yours and the rest of the DMB ass kissers but it doesn't mean mine can't be expressed.

This is where some fans are nothing more than DMB apologists. You are willing to keep telling everyone don't worry, they really are committed to making a better album. They road tested songs so it has to be good.

Well the songs they wrote for Stand Up were god awful, as are all of the songs that they have written since. 27, Cornbread, Shotgun, etc aren't worth the ticket price and its a shame that the eternal optimists out there are going to bury their heads in the sand and dump money out for insipid lyrics and boring ass music. Compare the last three years setlists at Riverbend to the setlists at the Gorge, SPAC, and Alpine and tell me that they dont produce better setlists and songs for those venues than others.

No Last Stop, Sweet Up and Down, JTR, Big Eyed Fish, Digging a Ditch, Dreaming Tree, Granny, Joy Ride, Pig, Proudest Monkey, Raven, Say Goodbye, or So Right. Thats damn near enough to fill an entire set. Instead for the last three years we in Cincy have gotten plenty of Bayou, Where are you Going, Too much -> So much to say, Hunger, and Dreamgirl. Hell they were booed when they left the stage in 2006 because the show was so bad.

A Steelers fan in Cincinatti--combining two of America's worst things in one package. Just kidding man...but not really.

I don't really know what to tell you. If you don't like their concerts don't gp. If you think their albums suck, don't buy them. I don't think the band is going to sweat the loss of Steelers36. I agree that their last two albums were bad (how anyone can think that Stand Up is worse than Everyday is beyond me. Stand Up was subpar. Everyday was an abortion of an album that should have been drowned in a bathtub). But regardless, with more bad albums out there, there's a higher percentage that songs you dont like will be played. It's just math. Not everything in their library is gold anymore.

And I don't even know what "I shouldn't have to stop going to shows after all of these years" means. It's their music. They can play what they want. If you don't want to hear it, either come up with something better on your own or take the good with the band and enjoy the band for what it is. I'm certainly no DMB apologist, and I don't think many of the other people on these boards are either, but they put out A+ work for nearly a decade. That earns them a long leash, even with the ED and SU hiccups factored in.

As for the venue, its hit and miss. Do some places get better shows that others more frequently? Maybe. They've played Hershey for 7 years straight before 2007, and I saw one of the best shows the band has put on there (2004) and one of its all-time worst (2005). You have to take that into consideration when buying tickets.

My expectations aren't high for this album. The last two were below average and there's nothing to indicate that a new one will be anywhere near the big 3. In fact, I'll be even more disappointed than I was with ED and SU if the band comes out with an album of studio-recorded cuts of all the songs they developed on your the last two years. THAT's lazy. THAT's uninspiried. Say what you will about the previous two albums, but at least they tried their hand at new music. Three or four of the those songs is fine--they're writing and preforming them for a reason--but don't simply lay down 15 tracks of tour songs and call it a new album.

Oh, and Roethlisberger never scored on that TD run in the Super Bowl. He was short.

[pele0069]

They've played Hershey for 7 years straight before 2007, and I saw one of the best shows the band has put on there (2004) and one of its all-time worst (2005). You have to take that into consideration when buying tickets.

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Ive been to Hershey a few times and it is a terrible place to see a show... Every year i went i swore i wasn't going to go and every year i was disappointed.....
Also I havent been to a show since 03 and dont plan on it ... when i started going to shows they were like 20 bucks for lawns in camden now i dont even know how much they are i would guess over 50 for lawns.... I remember i could road trip for like 5 shows or 6 shows in a row for under 400 bucks with hotels and gas now thats impossible...i just cant see spending that much money for a band that quite frankly isnt that good as they used to be...
Give me any set from 98-01 and Ill def go

[Northerntube]

27, Cornbread, Shotgun, etc aren't worth the ticket price and its a shame that the eternal optimists out there are going to bury their heads in the sand and dump money out for insipid lyrics and boring ass music.

Unless, of course, some people don't feel the same way about these songs as you do.

I know this is really, really hard for some to understand but there really are people out there who kinda dig their latest stuff, including me and I've been listening to these guys since 1995. Earlier in this thread you made a comment like "speaking on behalf of older fans". You can only speak on behalf of yourself. Doing otherwise does not serve your arguments well at all.

I feel no shame whatsoever for enjoying what I enjoy and resent the suggestion that I should.

Bear in mind, I'm not saying they're hitting it out of the park on each and every new song at each and every show but I don't accept the premise that their shows and songs suddenly suck because it's not 1997 (or wherever you draw your own line) anymore.

[webbo_5]

If the band releases another shitty album, this place will be exactly the same. Christ, they haven't released a good studio album since I've been a member so I don't look for much of a change.

[Point202]

A Steelers fan in Cincinatti--combining two of America's worst things in one package. Just kidding man...but not really.

I totally agree with your side of the argument bbianca, but I have to come to Steelers36's defense here. Say what you will about his opinion on DMB, but really, how does bashing the Steelers (or a Steelers fan from Cinci for that matter) advance this discussion?

[bbianca1982]

Oh, it doesn't advance the discussion at all. Point granted. What it does do, though, is advance laughs out of my belly into the air.

I'm a Ravens fan living in Pennsylvania. I got cheesesteaks from Philly on one end chanting E-A-G-L-E-S every time I walk into a bar, no matter what the season, and Steelers fans waving that ridiculous yellow towel around and saying Terry Bradshaw was the greatest QB over to play the game on the other. I'll take the jokes where I can get them.

[VanHorneDog]

i think we are looking at a album that is as good as Busted Stuff if not a little better.

the album quality will be good, the songs will translate live and in the end the we will not love or hate the album but LOVE the songs live when they play them.

Shotgun in studio will be interesting, but i think it wont live up. but since they will "finalize" it they will have a product to bass improvements off of, not complete retools or rewrites.

[Point202]

Oh, it doesn't advance the discussion at all. Point granted. What it does do, though, is advance laughs out of my belly into the air.

I'm a Ravens fan living in Pennsylvania. I got cheesesteaks from Philly on one end chanting E-A-G-L-E-S every time I walk into a bar, no matter what the season, and Steelers fans waving that ridiculous yellow towel around and saying Terry Bradshaw was the greatest QB over to play the game on the other. I'll take the jokes where I can get them.

:lol That must've been a funny sight to see.

[buzz05232000]

Many people will leave for good.
:thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup

[kjam1988]

The next album is going to be epic.

[CoffeeJanitor]

There will be bitching.

[webbo_5]

The next album is going to be epic.

:lol

[amoore624426]

when is panic at the discos new cd coming out? oh im sorry PANIC! at the disco.

[DOCLOG*]

it will be a happening place
b/c if the album is good
people around here wont have anything to bltch about
and that would be the day that the world ends

[comerelaxnow]

it will be a happening place
b/c if the album is good
people around here wont have anything to bltch about
and that would be the day that the world ends

this will never happen