is the next album the last

[Biggie S.]

is this dmbs last album together as a band? i garentee after dmb dave will release some solo cds and maybe some of the band members will do some similar things.

[DMB0715]

as a bad?

[zajDmB1]

theyll keep going no matter how bad they get, as long as there is no falling out in the band and they are still having fun. It will be REALLY hard to walk away from what they have now.

[kerplunk!]

um, what?

[superfan]

I could see one more full band studio album after this one, but I don't see no more than 2 new ones, just my opinion. It is a gut feeling.

[OlivePoet]

Yes.

[zajDmB1]

Yes.

yea, cuz most bands at this level of success that can still stand each other don't last forever. I mean, if the eagles can get back together for another album DMB will eventually even if they break up tomorrow. They are still such good friends, there is no way they can walk away from this. Last good album? maybe. or maybe that already happened. They are certainly young enough to make a couple more.

[OlivePoet]

yea, cuz most bands at this level of success that can still stand each other don't last forever. I mean, if the eagles can get back together for another album DMB will eventually even if they break up tomorrow. They are still such good friends, there is no way they can walk away from this. Last good album? maybe. or maybe that already happened. They are certainly young enough to make a couple more.

Let me amend my last post:


Yes.
[/sarcasm]

[superfan]

How many studio albums do you want DMB to release? I personally wish they could just keep producing albums for as long as they want, regardless of the albums being as good as the big three. We all know this band is just to talented to release another Stand Up, it won't ever happen again with this band. What band has the most studio albums released? Is it the rolling stones, and how many? Just curious.

[zajDmB1]

How many studio albums do you want DMB to release? I personally wish they could just keep producing albums for as long as they want, regardless of the albums being as good as the big three. We all know this band is just to talented to release another Stand Up, it won't ever happen again with this band. What band has the most studio albums released? Is it the rolling stones, and how many? Just curious.

I'm in the boat of if someone was given the gift to make art, why not exploit it to the end. Who knows if in the midst of a shitty album or session you might make up the greatest song ever written. People like Seinfeld, Jim Henson, etc that stop early is a waste. Look at the Stones, Dylan, even George Lucas. Their truly great art does not lose anything because they pumped out mediocrity for the next 30 years. I mean elton john put out like 2 above average songs in the entire 80s, and comes back with Lion King soundtrack.

[RobRoy286]

second to last.

[Benco]

yea, cuz most bands at this level of success that can still stand each other don't last forever. I mean, if the eagles can get back together for another album DMB will eventually even if they break up tomorrow. They are still such good friends, there is no way they can walk away from this. Last good album? maybe. or maybe that already happened. They are certainly young enough to make a couple more.

:lol Um, no, they aren't.

You couldn't be more wrong.

[bibby1044]

If its like a Stand Up yes, if its top 4/5 material then Id say we got 1 maybe 2 more comming.

[Granny Smurf]

even if this new one will be their second to last, that still means they will be around for another 4-5 years at their rate of releasing studio albums.

[White Rabbit]

:lol Um, no, they aren't.

You couldn't be more wrong.

Wait are you serious? I thought they were all like really close friends. Are they all pissed at each other or something?

[bigeyefish22]

How many studio albums do you want DMB to release? I personally wish they could just keep producing albums for as long as they want, regardless of the albums being as good as the big three. We all know this band is just to talented to release another Stand Up, it won't ever happen again with this band. What band has the most studio albums released? Is it the rolling stones, and how many? Just curious.

We know they're too talented to release another Stand Up? I think that's been the mantra for diehards for everything released since 01'. The old DMB ship has sailed.....

[jordanbball17]

I would love another Dave solo album, but I am really excited for the next DMB album. This truly has potential and could bring back the fans who "left" after ED and SU. But it could also be just another mediocre, lazy attempt that drives away even more fans, so it really is a crucial album.

[symbian]

seriously?
search
how many of these threads can we handle.

[raid24]

seriously?
search
how many of these threads can we handle.




:BANG i hate this post more than this thread! :BANG

[martindcx1e]

no its not imo

[notorious v.i.g]

:lol Um, no, they aren't.

You couldn't be more wrong.

please don't spread rumors. you don't know.

any issues they've had are more likely 'family' type issues.

[BehindBlueyes16]

I would love another Dave solo album, but I am really excited for the next DMB album. This truly has potential and could bring back the fans who "left" after ED and SU. But it could also be just another mediocre, lazy attempt that drives away even more fans, so it really is a crucial album.

I agree, it is really crucial. If this next album isn't a big improvement off of Stand Up, I will officially be convinced that the DMB I know and love is done for good. Sure I'll still catch a show or 2 every year, but it'll be a big let down if they can't show me some kind of forward progress, or perhaps I should say "backwards progress", back to towards the level of the Big 3.

[jmdt52]

i don't even want to think about that as a reality right now, i dont know what i would do without dmb at alpine seeing as those are the best nights of my summer every year

[tedies]

well, the op certainly seems to know what hes talking about :rolleyes

[bbarterjr]

Why do people continue to try and spread rumors or even think about.. "so-&-so is leaving the band"... or "....is this their last album"

Guys, just enjoy the ride and not think of this crap and let it all end when it does. and be thankfull for what we have recieved from them!

[hoke2007]

No. I see DMB releasing several more studio albums.

[som3d3vil34]

Stand Up was their last. No new album. Sorry.

[irishluck314]

I hope not but if it is i have enough DMB to make me happy.

[Dmbfan17]

second to last

[CoffeeJanitor]

:lol Um, no, they aren't.

You couldn't be more wrong.You are not ANY more in the know than any other members on here. And don't use the "insiders" as proof because all of their info is hearsay.

[Golfer5600]

Why do people continue to try and spread rumors or even think about.. "so-&-so is leaving the band"... or "....is this their last album"

Guys, just enjoy the ride and not think of this crap and let it all end when it does. and be thankfull for what we have recieved from them!

agreed.:thumbsup

[VanHorneDog]

i could see it if this last album is a flop, then they start touring and just doing old stuff. (ie everything up to ED basically + Bayou, YMDT, Hunger)

[DJGeneral]

What band has the most studio albums released? Is it the rolling stones, and how many? Just curious.

Not sure if they have the most, but they have twenty-four US studio albums.

[Biggie S.]

Why do people continue to try and spread rumors or even think about.. "so-&-so is leaving the band"... or "....is this their last album"

Guys, just enjoy the ride and not think of this crap and let it all end when it does. and be thankfull for what we have recieved from them!

because were bored and just need something to talk about until the tour dates are annoced

[DerekJTR2]

I agree, it is really crucial. If this next album isn't a big improvement off of Stand Up, I will officially be convinced that the DMB I know and love is done for good. Sure I'll still catch a show or 2 every year, but it'll be a big let down if they can't show me some kind of forward progress, or perhaps I should say "backwards progress", back to towards the level of the Big 3.

How much more time are we gonna waste as fans with this bullshit? Over and over we see this same post every day. I would love to know what DMB think of Stand Up because it's a great album and in no way some bleek forshadowing of their musical future.

[dmbfan4ever]

How much more time are we gonna waste as fans with this bullshit? Over and over we see this same post every day. I would love to know what DMB think of Stand Up because it's a great album and in no way some bleek forshadowing of their musical future.
I honestly believe that when comparing talent to product, Stand Up is the worst CD ever made.
I dare anyone to get through the entire Old Dirt Hill track. That's it. Just listen to the whole thing. Oh wait, you can't. Because your ears will bleed within 3 minutes and you will die before the end. Now this is a silly post, but seriously, Stand Up is a piece of shit that will never enter my cd player, computer, or girlfriend's ass again.

[MistreatedLewis]

How much more time are we gonna waste as fans with this bullshit? Over and over we see this same post every day.

Ok maybe you have a point.


I would love to know what DMB think of Stand Up because it's a great album and in no way some bleek forshadowing of their musical future.

Nevermind, credibility destroyed.

[kerplunk!]

Ok maybe you have a point.




Nevermind, credibility destroyed.

:lol

[DerekJTR2]

Very good. But seriously. You can't be Dave fans. Period

[RobRoy286]

Very good. But seriously. You can't be Dave fans. Periodwe can be dave fans.


we just find it hard to be shitty dave fans.

[MistreatedLewis]

Very good. But seriously. You can't be Dave fans. Period

If being a Dave fan means being a fan of the entity thats been calling itself Dave Matthews Band since 2005, then I agree I'm not a fan of whatever that band is.

But I'm still a bigger fan of their good music than you will ever be.

[kerplunk!]

Very good. But seriously. You can't be Dave fans. Period

OMFGWTFBBQ!111!11 Dave fans!11111

[tmorry326]

Dave fans! I LUV DAVE.

[the world]

I'm in the boat of if someone was given the gift to make art, why not exploit it to the end. Who knows if in the midst of a shitty album or session you might make up the greatest song ever written. People like Seinfeld, Jim Henson, etc that stop early is a waste. Look at the Stones, Dylan, even George Lucas. Their truly great art does not lose anything because they pumped out mediocrity for the next 30 years. I mean elton john put out like 2 above average songs in the entire 80s, and comes back with Lion King soundtrack.

Jim henson needs to be taken off of that list. he worked until he couldn't. his company took off and he stayed more in the realm of ideas than execution. He wanted to keep pushing the art form further, and did. He did a lot more than just muppets.

[bothedmbfan]

Not sure if they have the most, but they have twenty-four US studio albums.

Probably Zappa.

[the world]

I think if it's not, it might as well be. If this album is a dud, then they will have just as many that are generally held to be great as they do duds.

UTTAD, Crash, and BTCS are generally the standard.
R2T is up there, but it could stand a remastering.

Everyday - not to rehash old comments, but it is the perennial DMB dud.
Busted Stuff - Though YNK is a gem, the consensus (at least used to be) that it didn't do justice to the Lillywhite songs and there was much disappointment.
Stand Up - once again not rehash, but this was likely the most polarizing album. Some people loved it, some people hated it. Very, very few thought it to be their strongest work.

If the next is a creative flop, then it'll be 4:4. And in order. 4 great, followed by 4 not so great. I think the band as a whole needs to take a break. They have toured every year for 14 years. They need to take some time away from DMB. A vacation of sorts. A year hiatus. I just seems that they're burned out, and it feels like it in the new material. The most of it is very tasty, you have to admit that the verse lyrics for the idea of you could be miles better than they are given the breadth of dave's lyrical catalog. Old Dirt Hill could have been way better if there were actual verses.

I was a die hard DMB fan from 95 - 04. Then Stand Up hit, and though I dig about half of the songs it might as well have been a different band than the one I fell in love with. Songs like Smooth Rider that had such potential in the hands of the band of old, became lackluster cheese under the new order. I never thought I'd say it, but the next album is really make or break for me. It doesn't have to be a masterpiece, but it does need to be good. I can listen to the first four albums to this day start to finish. The last three, not so much.

The next one needs to be good. If it isn't, then does it matter if it's the last?

[cryfreedom4136]

I heard Leroi is leaving the band and Dave is going to get a recurring role on House as House's assistant

[the world]

What band has the most studio albums released? Is it the rolling stones, and how many? Just curious.

Prince: has 35+. I say + b/c the NPG and Madhouse were Prince, but under roughly different genres. All Studio and not counting greatest hits albums, 2 are triple albums and one is a double.

George Clinton and the Parliament Funkadelic: 36 to date. Parliament and Funkadelic were mostly the same band, and most stayed with george after he lost the rights to the names, birthing the P-Funk All-Stars.

Likely not the most, but they are up there.

[DMBzilla]

I typically try to stay out of these kinds of threads, but some of the discussion made it impossible for me not to post. For starters, I believe that this absolutely will not be DMB's final album, and I think they have quite a bit of road to travel before they hang it up. Many people have expressed concern over whether this album will be "good" or not. From what we've already heard on stage, I believe that it has potential to be back in the upper-echelon of DMB's studio work.

While this is purely speculative, I'd imagine that we're all going to be looking at an album that almost definitely includes Cornbread, #27, Shotgun, The Idea of You and A Dream So Real. The first four songs, in my opinion, already trump pretty much anything on Stand Up, and ADSR is still better than about half of it. Then, consider some of the older material that they're supposedly reworking/revisiting, which could include Blue Water, Break Free, Crazy-Easy, Eh Hee, Kill the King, Sister, Sugar Will and Sweet Up & Down. All that considered, this thing already has the makings of a pretty damn good album, certainly one better than anything they've released since BTCS. As far as this album being a make-or-break, I think they're already well on their way, song-wise at least, to putting the past few years behind them and releasing a very good record.

Second, I'd like to know more about all this negativity within the band that a few people in this thread has eluded to. What's your source on this "information?" How recent have you heard about it? What kind of problems/issues are they having? Who's having them? I know many will believe these questions are too forward and that we're not supposed to pry into the personal lives of DMB, but if these issues are true and they directly affect the band, they should be discussed openly. I'd really like to know what has changed to the point where, as one poster basically stated, they're not close friends anymore. That, honestly, is more of a concern to me than whether this will be their last album.

[bothedmbfan]

Prince: has 35+. I say + b/c the NPG and Madhouse were Prince, but under roughly different genres. All Studio and not counting greatest hits albums, 2 are triple albums and one is a double.

George Clinton and the Parliament Funkadelic: 36 to date. Parliament and Funkadelic were mostly the same band, and most stayed with george after he lost the rights to the names, birthing the P-Funk All-Stars.

Likely not the most, but they are up there.

I am almost positive it's Zappa. If not him, then it's John Zorn.

[ride_shotgun3]

You are not ANY more in the know than any other members on here. And don't use the "insiders" as proof because all of their info is hearsay.

agreed.... but i defnally think that this one wont be their last who knows how many more

[alwgirl]

Why do people continue to try and spread rumors or even think about.. "so-&-so is leaving the band"... or "....is this their last album"

Guys, just enjoy the ride and not think of this crap and let it all end when it does. and be thankfull for what we have recieved from them!
:thumbsup i agree

[bibby1044]

If this ends up being a successful album and considering they probably never had as much fun as they did this summer, Ill go with 2 more after this next one.

[pele0069]

I was thinking the easiest way for DMB to win back fans and put out a really good CD would be to do all the oldies that people like and that have yet to be recorded to me i think i would much rather a CD like

OSW (Re-Release) With Into
JTR
Granny
SUAD
Kind intension's
Minarets (Re-Release) More of a BTCS feel i always though it should have been on BTCS anyways
Get In line
Monkey Man
40
Blue Water
Deed is Done

I could see Leroi going nuts on this album

[warehouseguy]

I hate these threads. when i first started posting on these boards in 2002, when dave lost his voice post-gorge, everyone thought that'd be the end; they thought it would be the end when dave made himself more front-center on everyday; when the solo album came out; when roi was rumored to be leaving; and now again... this band will eventually shelve their career and retire, but until then, this idle speculation does nothing but fester cynicism on these boards. it will happen one day, when? we don't know. but i don't think this is their last album.

[Taylor/Martin]

I honestly believe that when comparing talent to product, Stand Up is the worst CD ever made.
I dare anyone to get through the entire Old Dirt Hill track. That's it. Just listen to the whole thing. Oh wait, you can't. Because your ears will bleed within 3 minutes and you will die before the end. Now this is a silly post, but seriously, Stand Up is a piece of shit that will never enter my cd player, computer, or girlfriend's ass again.

I guess I'm one fan who can stand the entire track. I listen to it every day for the most part. It's a cool song on a good album. Nothing wrong with it at all. I know it was a joking kind of post, but it's funny you said that because that's what most people say being serious, and I've never understood it. The music's different, but it's definitely not bad.

[Empyrean421]

Who cares as long as they keep playing 3 days at the Gorge every year.

[rickyh24]

no.....

[lestat1600]

is this dmbs last album together as a band? i garentee after dmb dave will release some solo cds and maybe some of the band members will do some similar things.
doubt it
so what if they do? they have done it before. other bands do it all the time. it'll be more great music, so as far as im concerned i hope they all do solo shit along with dmb and continue to do so.:D

[DMB41GUY]

Threads like this are beyond frustrating to read. I sometimes wonder why certain people even have the desire to type antsmarching.org into their browser with the things they say.

Anyone who thinks one of the most successful touring bands in the world ($41.1 million last year) is going to up and quit... is crazy. They are still selling tickets and making a lot of money. They are not going to be quitting anytime soon.

Also, I would honestly rather listen to ANYTHING from Dave than about 99% of the crap I hear when I turn on the radio. The music industry sucks more now than it ever has before. Things are not looking up either...

Oh... and I like Old Dirt Hill... haven't experienced any ear bleeding yet.

[Biggie S.]

Threads like this are beyond frustrating to read. I sometimes wonder why certain people even have the desire to type antsmarching.org into their browser with the things they say.

Anyone who thinks one of the most successful touring bands in the world ($41.1 million last year) is going to up and quit... is crazy. They are still selling tickets and making a lot of money. They are not going to be quitting anytime soon.

Also, I would honestly rather listen to ANYTHING from Dave than about 99% of the crap I hear when I turn on the radio. The music industry sucks more now than it ever has before. Things are not looking up either...

Oh... and I like Old Dirt Hill... haven't experienced any ear bleeding yet.

chill the fuck out. no said about quitting all this thread is saying do you think this will be there last album. like you said there one of the most successful touring bands in the world so they might just stick to touring instead of going back into the studio after this album which to me sounds like a good idea. and also dave doesnt need the money he has a family now and i wouldnt be surprised if he wanted to just spend time with his family.

[DMB41GUY]

Uh... I'm chilled out. Doesn't mean I can't have an opinion about this ridiculous thread.

All I can say is... money is a very motivating thing for anyone. Even if you already have it...

[Biggie S.]

really so you have all the money you could ever need would you spend time raising your children and have a family life or go get more money?

and no one gives a shit if you think this is a bad thread dont post in it

i wanted to kno what people thought cause honestly i have no idea and i wanted to hear what other people thought

[vegeevore]

i like drinkin outta cups

[Pikegulley]

i like drinkin outta cups

This just won the thread!

:thumbsup

[TMoore4075]

It's like I've heard this before, oh wait we heard it last year. Everyone said that last summer was the last tour because they just had a "feeling." Also that they KNEW Roi was leaving the band.

What makes anyone have that "feeling?" Is it like the feeling that Pats were going to win the Super Bowl? Personally I don't think it will be their last album. And will the band break up? I dunno. I don't think so. But why would they? They are successful and seem to enjoy it and seem to still get along because when they aren't touring or recording they all have their own lives.

[vegeevore]

yeah u guys who think its their last album got somethin comin to u. i believe it was in an interview with stefan last year that he said "we won't ever stop." i wouldn't worry about them stopping for at least 3-4 years

[DMB41GUY]

I'm not trying to argue with people. I apologize if I came off that way.

I just think there are more positive things to think about and discuss than this. It isn't really the original subject matter of the thread that I am complaining about... but people starting rumors about problems within the band, etc.

The truth is... no one knows what will really happen. They are a very unpredictable group of guys. I understand that Dave definitely has no financial necessity to continue playing. We all know that he loves to play and write new music. It is his life and has been for many years. I don't see him quitting for this reason alone. Although I still stand by the fact that people who have money are still motivated by it. If you are getting paid a lot of money to do something you absolutely love... why would you stop?

It also should be noted that Dave doesn't have a work schedule like your average person. The summer is the only time he doesn't really get to consistently spend time with his family. The rest of the year... he generally works at his leisure. If they are working on an album... he may spend some time doing that. His family could be close by of course. I'm sure his wife has no issues with spending some time in Virginia (where I believe she grew up). And a Dave and Tim tour/full band winter tour never last very long. I personally think he has time for both.

Every time I have ever heard Dave or any band member speak of such things... they always talk about how grateful they are to be doing what they love. I honestly believe them when they say these things. Dave is a happy guy who has everything he could ever want. Enough said.

[kbabbing]

Threads like this are beyond frustrating to read. I sometimes wonder why certain people even have the desire to type antsmarching.org into their browser with the things they say.

Anyone who thinks one of the most successful touring bands in the world ($41.1 million last year) is going to up and quit... is crazy. They are still selling tickets and making a lot of money. They are not going to be quitting anytime soon.

Also, I would honestly rather listen to ANYTHING from Dave than about 99% of the crap I hear when I turn on the radio. The music industry sucks more now than it ever has before. Things are not looking up either...

Oh... and I like Old Dirt Hill... haven't experienced any ear bleeding yet.

:thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup Well put. I also like ODH no bleeding here either!!!

[Milenk]

A lot of retarded douchebag noobs in this thread who don't understand that DMB is around to stay.

[MistreatedLewis]

A lot of retarded douchebag noobs in this thread who don't understand that DMB is around to stay.

Yes. They are immortals and will outlive the fall of modern civilization.

[bibby1044]

Yes. They are immortals and will outlive the fall of modern civilization.
:lol

[DMB41GUY]

Glad to see some people agree with me. Hope everyone has a good weekend! I'm off to Vegas for my birthday!

[CoffeeJanitor]

I'm not trying to argue with people. I apologize if I came off that way.

I just think there are more positive things to think about and discuss than this. It isn't really the original subject matter of the thread that I am complaining about... but people starting rumors about problems within the band, etc.

The truth is... no one knows what will really happen. They are a very unpredictable group of guys. I understand that Dave definitely has no financial necessity to continue playing. We all know that he loves to play and write new music. It is his life and has been for many years. I don't see him quitting for this reason alone. Although I still stand by the fact that people who have money are still motivated by it. If you are getting paid a lot of money to do something you absolutely love... why would you stop?

It also should be noted that Dave doesn't have a work schedule like your average person. The summer is the only time he doesn't really get to consistently spend time with his family. The rest of the year... he generally works at his leisure. If they are working on an album... he may spend some time doing that. His family could be close by of course. I'm sure his wife has no issues with spending some time in Virginia (where I believe she grew up). And a Dave and Tim tour/full band winter tour never last very long. I personally think he has time for both.

Every time I have ever heard Dave or any band member speak of such things... they always talk about how grateful they are to be doing what they love. I honestly believe them when they say these things. Dave is a happy guy who has everything he could ever want. Enough said.:thumbsup :thumbsup

[comerelaxnow]

the band will probably take a break sometime soon for a while but they will come back and probably make another album after this one

[greystreet333]

:lol Um, no, they aren't.

You couldn't be more wrong.

In storytellers back from september of 05', Carter states that the whole band trusts dave to compose (lyrically) what ever he wishes, and speak what he would like to speak. So if they aren't good friends, would they stow this much trust in someone to where he could speak whatever he would like to without having any problems with the rest of the members of the band? So from that speculation, I would assume that they are all pretty good friends...

[<*PHISH=(]

i could see them releasing at least 2 more ...stand up will not be there last

[Jordan#41]

We will get another Dave solo album after the new DMB album. A bunch of touring then another DMB album that might be their last. :(

[kurz41]

I don't care if they don't put out another studio album. Just keep touring and adding a few songs live every year and I'm happy.

[SpecialAgent007]

If being a Dave fan means being a fan of the entity thats been calling itself Dave Matthews Band since 2005, then I agree I'm not a fan of whatever that band is.

But I'm still a bigger fan of their good music than you will ever be.

BOOM!

:thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup

Right there with you...

[SpecialAgent007]

Anyone who thinks one of the most successful touring bands in the world ($41.1 million last year) is going to up and quit... is crazy. They are still selling tickets and making a lot of money. They are not going to be quitting anytime soon.


You can apply that logic either way really. I think the only motivating factor financially speaking that's lucrative to the band is that it seems as if Dave's a good guy and doesn't like the idea of screwing over all the other people underneath that would be out of work most likely if DMB quit. He's said that numerous times in interviews and if he truly feels that way, it's noble I suppose but it also doesn't really bode well for good new DMB music existing in the future. But really more reasonably, it'd be easier for them to just up and quit because they've all got plenty of money now and will be able to easily keep making a steady income on licensing their songs and releasing live material and merchandise. The money machine doesn't up and stop when the band quits. It'll certainly diminish over time, but again, given how much they've already made, it's not going to matter too much to them most likely.


Also, I would honestly rather listen to ANYTHING from Dave than about 99% of the crap I hear when I turn on the radio. The music industry sucks more now than it ever has before. Things are not looking up either...


The radio is about .5% of the music industry. Unfortunately, it's the most visible section due to so many factors that aren't worth getting into. Major labels suck and that tends to be what people focus on when they say "the music industry suck more than ever" but there's still a ton of great new music being released everyday if you dig around a little. Music that is words better than the best stuff DMB has released since 1998. But you won't find it listening to the radio and by being content with DMB to fulfill your new music quota, you're still settling for mediocrity at best.

And if you're going to get all offended and come back and say shit like "don't judge me, you don't know me, I listen to other music," do what you didn't do the first time and think before you post. Go back and read what you wrote and realize that you omitted facts to spin your argument in DMB's favor in a momentary lapse in judgement. Don't take it out on me for calling you out on it.

[marco j]

Threads like this are beyond frustrating to read. I sometimes wonder why certain people even have the desire to type antsmarching.org into their browser with the things they say.

Anyone who thinks one of the most successful touring bands in the world ($41.1 million last year) is going to up and quit... is crazy. They are still selling tickets and making a lot of money. They are not going to be quitting anytime soon.

Also, I would honestly rather listen to ANYTHING from Dave than about 99% of the crap I hear when I turn on the radio. The music industry sucks more now than it ever has before. Things are not looking up either...

Oh... and I like Old Dirt Hill... haven't experienced any ear bleeding yet.


Um...have you ever heard of the band The Police? They were more popular than dMb has ever become and they broke up while they were at their peak.

[SpecialAgent007]

Um...have you ever heard of the band The Police? They were more popular than dMb has ever become and they broke up while they were at their peak.

Great example. Didn't they sell 50 million albums in their short career as well? DMB's not even close to 50 million and it's been 15 years now or so?

[jaymas9]

:lol Um, no, they aren't.

You couldn't be more wrong.I know maybe they aren't buddy buddy like 1995, but it is retarded to think they aren't friends anymore. If it was so bad, they wouldn't be a band. It's quite obvious they are still good friends.

[cherone21]

They are not going to quit until someone dies.

[cherone21]

Yes. They are immortals and will outlive the fall of modern civilization.

The only time I ever agreed with you.

[jaymas9]

Great example. Didn't they sell 50 million albums in their short career as well? DMB's not even close to 50 million and it's been 15 years now or so?I think they were around 35 million either right after or before the Everyday release. So they have to be close. Not positive though. That being said...there has been nothing but good things to take from this studio session. I haven't seen these positive signs since 04. Tim Reynolds alone on a studio album has to be evidence enough they are at least going to try. If it still sucks then oh well maybe the well dried up. But I highly doubt that is what's going to happen.

[cherone21]

I think they were around 35 million either right after or before the Everyday release. So they have to be close. Not positive though. That being said...there has been nothing but good things to take from this studio session. I haven't seen these positive signs since 04. Tim Reynolds alone on a studio album has to be evidence enough they are at least going to try. If it still sucks then oh well maybe the well dried up. But I highly doubt that is what's going to happen.

They aren't even close to being tapped out. They tried something different. I don't see anything negative about that.

For two years Tiger was telling the media, I am working on my swing, once I iron it out my slump will be over and I will be a better player.

I equate the past couple years of DMB to that statement. They are working on their swing. They are going to take what the learned combine it with what they know and make somewhere around 3 to 5 more albums.

[PantalaNagaMan]

The only time I ever agreed with you.

Call me crazy,

But I think it was sarcasm.

[cherone21]

Call me crazy,

But I think it was sarcasm.

Shit, I thought he meant the music. I knew he didn't mean the people. Damn.

[jaymas9]

They aren't even close to being tapped out. They tried something different. I don't see anything negative about that.

For two years Tiger was telling the media, I am working on my swing, once I iron it out my slump will be over and I will be a better player.

I equate the past couple years of DMB to that statement. They are working on their swing. They are going to take what the learned combine it with what they know and make somewhere around 3 to 5 more albums.The Tiger comparison is really really bad. He was still at the top of his game, his standard was Michael Jordan esque, people grew accustomed to him winning majors all the time, which is so hard in golf. So by him not winning majors every time or every other time for two years, the over-zealous influenced by the shitty sports media, mainstream sports fans started acting like tools. Look at him saying the Grand Slam was possible this year, and he didn't win the masters. That doesnt mean he is bad, or is in a slump.

Anyone saying dmb isn't in a slump is fucking delerious. They didn't just try something new. Everyday was a direct response to tLWS falling apart. RCA wanted an album suggested an easy route and boom there's Everday. Busted stuff was a fan appeasement record, unfortunately they forgot to care about it when recording it and it sounded like it was on a sedative. Only Grey Street improved from a production standpoint, and that is probably because it was so far from being finished

Stand Up was them having fun, Dave has said so himself. He has also said "we didn't work hard on this album." So I'm sorry, but admitting you didn't try and do your job is not trying something different, it's being lazy. Why do you think there was almost a falling out with Roi and someone else? They walked out, it was obvious they weren't trying again. Also why do you think there is all these signs they want to put effort in again? Getting Tim back, hiring a producer which fits them far better, all these signs point to them saying they realized they've slacked off and they want to make a good record. You don't just ask a lead guitarist who hasn't played on an album in 10 years to just come back unless something is up.

So don't give the they tried something different angle, it just doesn't fly, if they tried something different and it just sucked so be it. It's been so obvious since late 04 and 05 they were lazy. But I think they are turning it around and am very optimistic.

[cherone21]

So don't give the they tried something different angle, it just doesn't fly, if they tried something different and it just sucked so be it. It's been so obvious since late 04 and 05 they were lazy. But I think they are turning it around and am very optimistic.[/QUOTE]

They tour every year. That is not lazy. I am not worried about the studio like everyone else. Touring is what this band does and will continue to do, well.

[86dmbal]

So don't give the they tried something different angle, it just doesn't fly, if they tried something different and it just sucked so be it. It's been so obvious since late 04 and 05 they were lazy. But I think they are turning it around and am very optimistic.

They tour every year. That is not lazy. I am not worried about the studio like everyone else. Touring is what this band does and will continue to do, well.[/QUOTE]

There have been some bad tours, very bad ones.

[jaymas9]

So don't give the they tried something different angle, it just doesn't fly, if they tried something different and it just sucked so be it. It's been so obvious since late 04 and 05 they were lazy. But I think they are turning it around and am very optimistic.

They tour every year. That is not lazy. I am not worried about the studio like everyone else. Touring is what this band does and will continue to do, well.[/quote]


That has nothing to do with your original argument. You said the albums weren't bad...they tried something different. I said they were lazy, Dave admitted they didn't work very hard on Stand Up. I'm not talking about their touring frequency, which I applaud and enjoy. I'm talking about their lack of good new music since that aforementioned time period because of laziness.

[cherone21]

They tour every year. That is not lazy. I am not worried about the studio like everyone else. Touring is what this band does and will continue to do, well.


That has nothing to do with your original argument. You said the albums weren't bad...they tried something different. I said they were lazy, Dave admitted they didn't work very hard on Stand Up. I'm not talking about their touring frequency, which I applaud and enjoy. I'm talking about their lack of good new music since that aforementioned time period because of laziness.[/QUOTE]

I like many of the songs from post 2001. Everyday, Space Between, So Right, What you are, If I had it all, Dream of Our Fathers, Die Trying, ABI, and I said it Old Dirthill, Bayou, Smooth Rider, Everybody Wake Up, Dream Girl on and on. I like them I said it.

[cherone21]

They tour every year. That is not lazy. I am not worried about the studio like everyone else. Touring is what this band does and will continue to do, well.


That has nothing to do with your original argument. You said the albums weren't bad...they tried something different. I said they were lazy, Dave admitted they didn't work very hard on Stand Up. I'm not talking about their touring frequency, which I applaud and enjoy. I'm talking about their lack of good new music since that aforementioned time period because of laziness.[/QUOTE]

I supported Eli right through, bet you have been dogging him too. Now that he is the "Champ", do you support him?

[#41bestsong]

with carter being in his 50's now i dont see them making more than one or two more after this one comming out. Then i think they will just tour with what they already have and that will be it.

[BigEyedFerg]

Why the hell is this even being talked about? That's what I don't get. It's obvious they're going to quit sometime... it's not going to last forever. They're human. Enjoy the present rather than flipping a shit over the future

:twak

[DerekJTR2]

Why the hell is this even being talked about? That's what I don't get. It's obvious they're going to quit sometime... it's not going to last forever. They're human. Enjoy the present rather than flipping a shit over the future
:twak

It's really ridiculous. Bands are together, they run their course, they go solo they do other things, they get back together, do reunion tours, etc.

This topic isn't necessary at this point in the bands history

[marco j]

Great example. Didn't they sell 50 million albums in their short career as well? DMB's not even close to 50 million and it's been 15 years now or so?

I don't know the exact number but yeah they sold quite alot of records.

They were the first band I ever got into without someone introducing them to me(ie. Beatles, Zepp, Stones etc.).

[crawfish]

The Tiger comparison is really really bad. He was still at the top of his game, his standard was Michael Jordan esque, people grew accustomed to him winning majors all the time, which is so hard in golf. So by him not winning majors every time or every other time for two years, the over-zealous influenced by the shitty sports media, mainstream sports fans started acting like tools. Look at him saying the Grand Slam was possible this year, and he didn't win the masters. That doesnt mean he is bad, or is in a slump.

Anyone saying dmb isn't in a slump is fucking delerious. They didn't just try something new. Everyday was a direct response to tLWS falling apart. RCA wanted an album suggested an easy route and boom there's Everday. Busted stuff was a fan appeasement record, unfortunately they forgot to care about it when recording it and it sounded like it was on a sedative. Only Grey Street improved from a production standpoint, and that is probably because it was so far from being finished

Stand Up was them having fun, Dave has said so himself. He has also said "we didn't work hard on this album." So I'm sorry, but admitting you didn't try and do your job is not trying something different, it's being lazy. Why do you think there was almost a falling out with Roi and someone else? They walked out, it was obvious they weren't trying again. Also why do you think there is all these signs they want to put effort in again? Getting Tim back, hiring a producer which fits them far better, all these signs point to them saying they realized they've slacked off and they want to make a good record. You don't just ask a lead guitarist who hasn't played on an album in 10 years to just come back unless something is up.

So don't give the they tried something different angle, it just doesn't fly, if they tried something different and it just sucked so be it. It's been so obvious since late 04 and 05 they were lazy. But I think they are turning it around and am very optimistic.

How do you know Roi almost walked out? And who did he have the falling out with? Dave?

[bradshaw06]

How do you know Roi almost walked out? And who did he have the falling out with? Dave?

its been confirmed a bunch of times by a bunch of people with connections. he wasnt happy with the way the sessions went and walked out

[DMBZeppelin]

They aren't even close to being tapped out. They tried something different. I don't see anything negative about that.

For two years Tiger was telling the media, I am working on my swing, once I iron it out my slump will be over and I will be a better player.

I equate the past couple years of DMB to that statement. They are working on their swing. They are going to take what the learned combine it with what they know and make somewhere around 3 to 5 more albums.
No way we get 5 more albums, I'd say 3 max. These guys aren't getting any younger. Tiger changed his swing because he wants to be the best ever. He wanted to work really hard and come out better for it.

DMB changed their style to become lazier. They didn't want to work hard, so they fired Lillywhite. Had they changed their style while putting the same work they put into the first 3 albums. I doubt anyone would be bitching. I don't mind them experimenting. I just want it to be quality.
How do you know Roi almost walked out? And who did he have the falling out with? Dave?
Even Jake has confirmed this, so unless you're one of the people who's like "Nothing bad ever happens with these people. Everyone on the internet lies." you can't get a better source then Jake.

Roi walked out in 06' because he didn't like the direction the band was going in.

[MistreatedLewis]

You can apply that logic either way really. I think the only motivating factor financially speaking that's lucrative to the band is that it seems as if Dave's a good guy and doesn't like the idea of screwing over all the other people underneath that would be out of work most likely if DMB quit. He's said that numerous times in interviews and if he truly feels that way, it's noble I suppose but it also doesn't really bode well for good new DMB music existing in the future. But really more reasonably, it'd be easier for them to just up and quit because they've all got plenty of money now and will be able to easily keep making a steady income on licensing their songs and releasing live material and merchandise. The money machine doesn't up and stop when the band quits. It'll certainly diminish over time, but again, given how much they've already made, it's not going to matter too much to them most likely.



The radio is about .5% of the music industry. Unfortunately, it's the most visible section due to so many factors that aren't worth getting into. Major labels suck and that tends to be what people focus on when they say "the music industry suck more than ever" but there's still a ton of great new music being released everyday if you dig around a little. Music that is words better than the best stuff DMB has released since 1998. But you won't find it listening to the radio and by being content with DMB to fulfill your new music quota, you're still settling for mediocrity at best.

And if you're going to get all offended and come back and say shit like "don't judge me, you don't know me, I listen to other music," do what you didn't do the first time and think before you post. Go back and read what you wrote and realize that you omitted facts to spin your argument in DMB's favor in a momentary lapse in judgement. Don't take it out on me for calling you out on it.

I agree with you 100%. The problem, for most people, is the time and money needed to explore anything outside of what is being fed to you on your afternoon commute home. It's a problem. :shrug

[jiggajm18]

it definitly could be the last album. will it be? i honestly think it depends on how this one goes. we know they're going to tour at least one more year if this album comes out. but if it's another SU, i think the band (and especially dave) will need to seriously consider if they're better off without eachother.

[jiggajm18]

They aren't even close to being tapped out. They tried something different. I don't see anything negative about that.

For two years Tiger was telling the media, I am working on my swing, once I iron it out my slump will be over and I will be a better player.

I equate the past couple years of DMB to that statement. They are working on their swing. They are going to take what the learned combine it with what they know and make somewhere around 3 to 5 more albums.


:lol :lol

tiger changed his swing twice. it took a year and half the first time, and about 2 years the second time. that's a "slump" of only 2 years.

DMB has been in an 8 year slump! which is 4 times longer that tiger's "slump". that comparison is just not legitimate.

[berman1125]

:lol :lol

tiger changed his swing twice. it took a year and half the first time, and about 2 years the second time. that's a "slump" of only 2 years.

DMB has been in an 8 year slump! which is 4 times longer that tiger's "slump". that comparison is just not legitimate.




well their tours are not in a 8 year slump. you cant put out an album at the pace you are golfing.

[jiggajm18]

well their tours are not in a 8 year slump. you cant put out an album at the pace you are golfing.

no, but you should be able to come up with more than 2 albums worth of material in 2 years.

let's face it, DMB has been in a creative slump for 8 years and until now they haven't made a serious effort to get out of one.

[TurboPGT]

No.

Stupid question.

[cherone21]

No.

Stupid question.

I agree. These guys will be around for awhile.

U2, The Stones, the Who and others are all still around and a band that is 20 years younger then them is going to quit.

I doubt it.

[Branty]

I hope its not the last studio album. I can't see why it would be. They are all such talented musicians that I'm sure they will keep creating music and when they feel that they have songs that would work well in a studio then they surely they will. I don't think an end to studio albums would be the end of DMB even if it was. I can imagine they will want to keep doing shows for as long as they can.

[DaveHead36]

I'm in the boat of if someone was given the gift to make art, why not exploit it to the end. Who knows if in the midst of a shitty album or session you might make up the greatest song ever written. People like Seinfeld, Jim Henson, etc that stop early is a waste. Look at the Stones, Dylan, even George Lucas. Their truly great art does not lose anything because they pumped out mediocrity for the next 30 years. I mean elton john put out like 2 above average songs in the entire 80s, and comes back with Lion King soundtrack.

Henson and Seinfeld are bad examples. Seinfeld didn't stop doing comedy, just stopped doing the tv show. For something like that, it's best to go out on top. They probably could have gone on another 3 seasons, but more than likely people would have gotten bored and noone would have remembered the finale.

Also, even Dylan laid low for a while on the music scene. Perhaps that's what dmb needs. Take a year or two off of touring and just recharge their batteries. Just my two cents :shrug

[solsburyhill]

I don't know the exact number but yeah they sold quite alot of records.

They were the first band I ever got into without someone introducing them to me(ie. Beatles, Zepp, Stones etc.).

26 million

[manninta]

Great example. Didn't they sell 50 million albums in their short career as well? DMB's not even close to 50 million and it's been 15 years now or so?
http://www.riaa.com/goldandplatinumdata.php?table=SEARCH
In their first 15 years DMB sold more albums. You can check it on this site.

They have sold less than 20 million copies of their studio albums. Maybe they sold 50 million worldwide, but in the US DMB has had much higher sales.

[RobRoy286]

Yes.

[LowEnd_Theory]

Dave will do something on his own for the next record. If DMB decides to go at it again after that is up in the air i htink

[Panther41]

DMB still has untapped potential, bank on it.

[Whiteyxc514]

people need to relax and stop comparing them to The Beatles, Led Zeppelin and the Rolling Stones

they are a totally different band

[Badger41]

Yes, this will be the band's last album because Dave's AIDS is further deteriorating his body. Carbuncle is, unfortunately, a real song based upon the severe abscesses formed on his body due to his weakened immune system. Look for it appear on the album, along with Gretel, the nickname of Dave's lover who transmitted HIV to him. I'd look for a Gretel--->Carbuncle one-two punch somewhere on this final album.

[dmbinchicago]

Every album, tour, etc. gets these same questions. I don't get the obsession with DMB retiring. Until there's some indication that they want to call it quits, just enjoy it.

[kingchrisII]

Yes, this will be the band's last album because Dave's AIDS is further deteriorating his body. Carbuncle is, unfortunately, a real song based upon the severe abscesses formed on his body due to his weakened immune system. Look for it appear on the album, along with Gretel, the nickname of Dave's lover who transmitted HIV to him. I'd look for a Gretel--->Carbuncle one-two punch somewhere on this final album.


:confused:confused:confused

[RobRoy286]

Dave will do something on his own for the next record. If DMB decides to go at it again after that is up in the air i htink:thumbsup

[SeekNUpEmotion]

I honestly believe that when comparing talent to product, Stand Up is the worst CD ever made.
I dare anyone to get through the entire Old Dirt Hill track. That's it. Just listen to the whole thing. Oh wait, you can't. Because your ears will bleed within 3 minutes and you will die before the end. Now this is a silly post, but seriously, Stand Up is a piece of shit that will never enter my cd player, computer, or girlfriend's ass again.


While I agree with you the studio version of ODH is not so amazing Dave and Tim really know how to turn it into something worth listening to live. In fact I would put it on my wishlist list if I ever get to see D&T.

Anyway I think this might be their last album for a while. But then again I think it depends on what the fans feedback are after 2008. I can totally see them taking a break from the studio after this. (that dosn't mean break up all together.) I would love to see a new Dave solo album and if they were to take a break I think you would see Fonz just about everywhere. Doing compilations and his own stuff. He's to young to stop now.

[jjdo50]

It does feel (to me at least) that the band will only put out one or two more albums (the upcoming one and a following). They'll have tours for both and then probably play only a couple shows a summer or throughout the year. That's just what I feel though. I mean, they're pretty getting old. Carter is what 50? I mean they may just want to start spending time with their families. Either way, the band has achieved great goals and they should be happy with what they've done.

[opshannon]

Yes. [/nosarcasm]

[cherone21]

It does feel (to me at least) that the band will only put out one or two more albums (the upcoming one and a following). They'll have tours for both and then probably play only a couple shows a summer or throughout the year. That's just what I feel though. I mean, they're pretty getting old. Carter is what 50? I mean they may just want to start spending time with their families. Either way, the band has achieved great goals and they should be happy with what they've done.

No way. They have a ton of life left.

[devilandthelord]

There are some that believe there will be no album at all, and that DMB may be done for a long while as far as releasing new albums goes.

Maybe forever.

[chr35919]

no way.

[Character Zer0]

I don't think they're even close to done. As long as they keep touring, I think we're going to see more albums.

[RobRoy286]

I'm still thinking the next album after this upcoming one will be Dave's own project. With his Some Devil band, with Tim, maybe just with himself, I just don't see two consecutive DMB albums coming out.

[CVilleSon]

i see Dave releasing a shit load of introspective solo releases like a lot of aging legends...bruce springsteen, johnny cash, neil young etc..

he probably will do some collaborations with tim, trey, and a different band on a few albums, but i think later down the line he will start to do real stripped down albums, with sparse instrumentation.

[solsburyhill]

i hope not and don't think so.

[bobbo]

Their will still be a thread with this title in 2015 after the bands ninth studio album and 43rd live trax

[jack_the_jester]

they need to do what Widespread Panic did in 2004 which was take a year off as a band and let everyone do their own thing. They'll come back feeling re-energized and the passion will be renewed. :thumbsup

[spoot388]

There are some that believe there will be no album at all, and that DMB may be done for a long while as far as releasing new albums goes.

Maybe forever.



I can see them going a long time without an album after this one. They said it themselves that they love to tour, not be in the studio. I don't think that means the band will stop though. They are going to keep playing until they physically can't do it anymore, which is going to be a long time off from now. I don't think anyone will be upset if they keep touring like they have been the past couple years.

[bibby1044]

Judging on how this next album turns out, it seems like their creative flow can possibly be on a comeback which has been missing since tLWS. Plus if this next album is good with all the fun their having anymore definently not their last.

[Swift989]

yes if the new album is as criticized as Stand Up has been.

No if is a success and they enjoy touring on the album.

[solsburyhill]

aren't they really on a break now? they haven't done much for the studio still in around 3 to 4 years if my math is right..

comeback album

[tunatme]

Just sit back and relax and enjoy what they give us when they give it to us. Until then get out of your conspiracy theories and quit whining. With the loss of Leroi and seeing the san diego show fri. night with no mention of theirs and our loss of Leroi, I think that as long as they feel the music flowing thru them we will always have DMB touring every summer. Just look at them when they are on stage together and feel how they project their enthusiasm out to us in the crowd. Any one who has seen Dave dance during cornbread while Barnes is playing banjo knows this band has the love and intestinal fortitude to go on and keep making new music. So everyone just sit back and enjoy our ride on the DMB express!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[devilandthelord]

Leroi was the only one who was working hard in the studio for a long while, so without Roi I don't think there's a lot of hope to see an album soon.
You never know what may happen, but I would say the album got pushed back even further with Roi's death, not just because of the greiving process of him dying, but also because he was one of the most important people in making the album.

If I had to bet money I would bet on a Dave solo album before a new DMB album.

[XeRo27]

I really could see this as the end of Dave as a group. Sure they may rejoin on occasion, but given the type of people they are and the depth that the band has as a group, the loss of Leroi means the loss of the band. Dave and crew are the type to finish the loose ends of current things and call it quits as Dave Matthews Band. It would be an honorable thing to do, as it's NOT Dave Matthews Band without Leroi. As much as I would hate it, as Dave has been a part of my life since '91, I would be fully in acceptance if that was their decision. Also, Leroi was a HUGE factor in the studio, he did a lot of the work on the sound and organization of the studio albums. Gonna be really hard with that piece missing, both on an emotional level as well as knowledge.

[trippinchad]

yes.

[cpolly07]

idc what anyone says I love listening to Busted Stuff even though the vibe of the album wasn't as good as LWS. Busted Stuff is a great break from listening BTCS/UTTAD. hopefully the guys can bust out one more REALLY GREAT album

[BlackCat41]

Isn't the band still contractually obligated to RCA to make at least a couple more albums?

[Dmband27]

:lol Um, no, they aren't.

You couldn't be more wrong.



they're falling apart as friends?

[greystre3t]

i definitely cannot see these guys splitting up, although it would be completely understandable. but they seem to live for just music and us fans. they tour EVERY year. it truly is amazing what they have and to see them walk away from it? doesn't seem like it. dave seems to be very excited about this new album too and so do the fans. maybe they'll take a year off just to relax and be with family.

[Roose13]

Their will still be a thread with this title in 2015 after the bands ninth studio album and 43rd live trax
:lol:lol:lol

[lestat1600]

no, there will be more dmb, and more solo albums, count on it