Rob Cavallo

[DerekJTR2]

Anyone know anything about him? His resume is decent.

[BruceW]

sounds good to me...i know im as excited as i have been in a few years

[Gladstone]

I'm very sceptical...

[BruceW]

I'm very sceptical...
please elaborate...im interested

[dag2p]

The guy is well known in the modern producer scene. I think he will be a nice change; the album won't be another BTCS or LS but he will put his own spin on the band and the album most likely will have a few radio hits to rack in the $$ and a few songs that appeal to the fans... the dude knows what he is doing.

And do we really want another album thats sounds like BTCS??

Is there any word on the Engineer and Pro Tools Engineer?

[kyledmb]

anyone know what studio they are at?

[bman286]

I'm just glad to see Tim is back.

[kyledmb]

I'm just glad to see Tim is back.

:thumbsup thank god...producer aside, that is def. a huge lift for the next album.

[dag2p]

actually I think it may be a Carter-heavy album by listening to his past work... hummm... that would be amazing

[bbianca1982]

I'm skeptical as well. Cavallo has an impressive resume, but nothing that would indicate he's capable of producing more than a hit-heavy, mass-audience record that gets commercial airplay (Goo Goo Dolls, Alanis Morrisette, Chris Issak). That sounds like a forumla for Everyday 2 to me.

American Idiot was a solid album, but I don't think its a stretch to say DMB operates on a slightly higher musical level that Green Day. One of the big problems new producers have is figuring out how to best utilize and layer the multitude of sounds that the band creates. Ballard was terrible at it. Baston was better, but he sort of cheated by laying down individual tracks for each band member and mashing them together.

This was one of Lillywhite's best traits--he'd really work with the band to create solid songs that had contributions from each member. The songs worked so well because each instrument was intergral. Can't really say that about their last two albums. The songwriting will be there, but will the band make its presense felt?

I'm hearing a lot of people on here getting excited becasue Cavallo is saying a lot of the right things in interviews. But remember, Baston had people jumping too, for many of the same reasons. I'm certainly reserving judgment for now, however, until we see what he can do.

[trpnbillie11]

anyone know what studio they are at?

Studio Litho in Seattle.

Some previous work at Haunted Hollow.

[Point202]

I don't profess to know a thing about the production of an album. I am an Alanis Morissette fan though, and I didn't recognize Rob Cavallo's name. He hasn't produced an album for her, just the song Uninvited (big hit from the movie City of Angels). It is, in my opinion, a very solid song. He also worked with My Chemical Romance - their first album The Black Parade apparently gets rave reviews...

[kyledmb]

Studio Litho in Seattle.

Some previous work at Haunted Hollow.

nice thanks! that's just down the street! :) :)

[MistreatedLewis]

I'm very sceptical...

teh lolz!

can we rename this thread, "Why does post-2000 DMB have a giant cock boner for mainstream pop producers?"

[RobbtheRevelatr]

I like this choice better than Ballard and Batson. The key for me is that the Band doesn't go in a write all new songs with the producer, it's fine. Write amongst themselves and dont' look to the producer to help.

As far as Cavallo goes, look at the quality of the production, not the artists or the songs. At least he's a rock producer and not hip hop this time!

[trpnbillie11]

nice thanks! that's just down the street! :) :)

Set up shop! Binoculars, x-ray vision, heat sensing goggles, the whole nine.


This guy seems to know music and understand different sounds. Its kind of academic, but it sounds good. Seems like the artistry of Lillywhite combined with the business understanding of Ballard. Could be completely wrong, but I think its a fair compromise.

[elconguero]

teh lolz!

can we rename this thread, "Why does post-2000 DMB have a giant cock boner for mainstream pop producers?"

seriously, what a kick in the cock

at least timmy is there. i guess we can only wait and listen

[Gladstone]

teh lolz!

can we rename this thread, "Why does post-2000 DMB have a giant cock boner for mainstream pop producers?"

I believe they want to be loved by the youth... They're pedophiles...

Rob's resume (or whatever you call it in english) is pretty horrible...

God, please pick any bossa nova/jazz producer from Brazil DMB... It's not too late... :(:(:( Or start kissing Lillywhite's ass...

[MistreatedLewis]

seriously, what a kick in the cock

at least timmy is there. i guess we can only wait and listen

Tim is the only good news.

Last time I went in with a highly positive attitude and was shocked by what we got.

Let's see what happens if I go in with the opposite attitutde - anticipating a truly suckful album.

[kydmb99]

Tim being in the studio = :bounce :bounce


Having a producer that has never worked with an entire band that has as much talent as Carter has in a single nut hair = :thumbsdow :thumbsdow :thumbsdow :thumbsdow

Green Day? My Chemical Romance?

DMB - Seriously? :BANG

[MistreatedLewis]

Tim being in the studio = :bounce :bounce


Having a producer that has never worked with an entire band that has as much talent as Carter has in a single nut hair = :thumbsdow :thumbsdow :thumbsdow :thumbsdow

Green Day? My Chemical Romance?

DMB - Seriously? :BANG

:lol Everyone here is insane but us.

[kjam1988]

I like how you guys look at his wikipedia page or something and make a judgment. You dumb fucks don't know anything about the guy. Shut your fucking mouths.

[nick997k]

The guy is well known in the modern producer scene. I think he will be a nice change; the album won't be another BTCS or LS but he will put his own spin on the band and the album most likely will have a few radio hits to rack in the $$ and a few songs that appeal to the fans... the dude knows what he is doing.

And do we really want another album thats sounds like BTCS??

Is there any word on the Engineer and Pro Tools Engineer?

Yes we do. But it will never happen.

[GLR87]

Guitarist and long time friend Tim Reynolds is playing on the album, marking his first recording with DMB since 1998’s Before These Crowded Streets.

Does this not excite anyone.. if this guy is a "long time" friend of Tim im sure he knows a good amount about dmb, and Tim's collaborations with the band, Have hope people.

[dmbfanatic81]

Guitarist and long time friend Tim Reynolds is playing on the album, marking his first recording with DMB since 1998’s Before These Crowded Streets.

Does this not excite anyone.. if this guy is a "long time" friend of Tim im sure he knows a good amount about dmb, and Tim's collaborations with the band, Have hope people.


It's not saying that Rob is a long time friend of Tim's, it's saying that Tim is a long time friend of the band.

[number4ty1]

There is one thing I do not understand. The same people that crave for Lilliwhite are the same people that say that 1993 was the best year for DMB.

Which is kind of ironic, since the songs played in 93 were written without Lillywhite. The keyword in this phrase is without.

[HolyCow]

I think Tim being on the album is far more important than any producer they could have picked.

[nick997k]

There is one thing I do not understand. The same people that crave for Lilliwhite are the same people that say that 1993 was the best year for DMB.

Which is kind of ironic, since the songs played in 93 were written without Lillywhite. The keyword in this phrase is without.

I disagree, I think the same people that crave for Lillywhite, are the same people who crave for another BTCS, and then bitch when they don't get it.

Steve wrote much of that album with the band, and also did a great job at producing it.

It's DMB's Dark Side of the Moon....they will never top it in most hard core fan's eyes.

[PantalaNagaMan]

:lol Everyone here is insane but us.

Yeah. That's it.

Because we look at the same Wikipedia website, and don't get agitated that he produced records from those groups.

Each group has their own style and he didn't change a single one of them, he only enhanced their music as a producer. When he produced Goo Goo Dolls, he made them a record that sounded like the Goo Goo Dolls - not Green Day's, "Dookie".

The band's are bad, yes - but the producer isn't. Most of the songs he has produced are extremely well layered and well produced - but are bad songs because well...the band's suck.

He's not going in with intentions to change DMB, and I doubt DMB took him in to become a changed band. If DMB wanted to go mainstream, they would have. I guarentee half of you here that are upset that DMB is going, "mainstream" didn't even know that Cavallo produced ANY Green Day album.

[GLR87]

It's not saying that Rob is a long time friend of Tim's, it's saying that Tim is a long time friend of the band.

well then fuck :twak to me

[Miccius]

Yeah. That's it.

Because we look at the same Wikipedia website, and don't get agitated that he produced records from those groups.

Each group has their own style and he didn't change a single one of them, he only enhanced their music as a producer. When he produced Goo Goo Dolls, he made them a record that sounded like the Goo Goo Dolls - not Green Day's, "Dookie".

The band's are bad, yes - but the producer isn't. Most of the songs he has produced are extremely well layered and well produced - but are bad songs because well...the band's suck.

He's not going in with intentions to change DMB, and I doubt DMB took him in to become a changed band. If DMB wanted to go mainstream, they would have. I guarentee half of you here that are upset that DMB is going, "mainstream" didn't even know that Cavallo produced ANY Green Day album.

Wasn't it Dookie? Holy shit, It's been years since I listened to that album. I think I got it for my birthday in 4th grade, haha.

[dwdrums36]

Wasn't it Dookie? Holy shit, It's been years since I listened to that album. I think I got it for my birthday in 4th grade, haha.

Dookie was the first TAPE I ever bought...Mind you I said TAPE. the CD wasn;t readily available until a little while later, and pretty expensive. Haha...What a great album though.

[kydmb99]

Sure, maybe the guy can produce well, but seeing the bands he's worked with DOES tell you something...

Batson - Hip Hop Producer = Gave us a more hip-hop sounding album.

Ballard - Pop Producer = Gave us a Pop album.

All I know is I heard OMG BASTON IS A GOOD PRODUCER!@! about 10,000 times but it still gave us a shitty product because his style simply wasn't condusive to GOOD DMB. I just have a hard time believing a guy that has worked with bands like Green Day, My Chemical Romance, and The Goo Goo Dolls is going to know how to get the best out of DMB.

This just shows me that DMB is still in a Pop/Radio Friendly mood, which isn't good IMO.

[HolyCow]

Sure, maybe the guy can produce well, but seeing the bands he's worked with DOES tell you something...

Batson - Hip Hop Producer = Gave us a more hip-hop sounding album.

Ballard - Pop Producer = Gave us a Pop album.

All I know is I heard OMG BASTON IS A GOOD PRODUCER!@! about 10,000 times but it still gave us a shitty product because his style simply wasn't condusive to GOOD DMB. I just have a hard time believing a guy that has worked with bands like Green Day, My Chemical Romance, and The Goo Goo Dolls is going to know how to get the best out of DMB.

This just shows me that DMB is still in a Pop/Radio Friendly mood, which isn't good IMO.
So? Just because a producer has done something like that in his past doesn't mean he's going to make his current band he's working with do that.

Did DMB sound anything like U2 when Lillywhite worked with them? Do you think current bands he's producing sound like DMB?

Just because he's done something with a band doesn't mean that's the only style of record he knows.

[chr35919]

Sure, maybe the guy can produce well, but seeing the bands he's worked with DOES tell you something...

Batson - Hip Hop Producer = Gave us a more hip-hop sounding album.

Ballard - Pop Producer = Gave us a Pop album.

All I know is I heard OMG BASTON IS A GOOD PRODUCER!@! about 10,000 times but it still gave us a shitty product because his style simply wasn't condusive to GOOD DMB. I just have a hard time believing a guy that has worked with bands like Green Day, My Chemical Romance, and The Goo Goo Dolls is going to know how to get the best out of DMB.

This just shows me that DMB is still in a Pop/Radio Friendly mood, which isn't good IMO.ahem, lillywhite worked with matchbox20...

[Miccius]

Dookie was the first TAPE I ever bought...Mind you I said TAPE. the CD wasn;t readily available until a little while later, and pretty expensive. Haha...What a great album though.

AHhah, tape. The last tape I bought was a single for that song Cotton Eye Joe...

[kydmb99]

So? Just because a producer has done something like that in his past doesn't mean he's going to make his current band he's working with do that.

Did DMB sound anything like U2 when Lillywhite worked with them? Do you think current bands he's producing sound like DMB?

Just because he's done something with a band doesn't mean that's the only style of record he knows.

No, but looking at a track record is definitely a good indication of what you're going to get in the future, just as it has been with the last couple of DMB producers.

First of all, U2, unlike the shit this Cavallo guy has worked with, is a really good band. Lillywhite had experience working with a talented group before and was a big player in helping U2 grow. Basically, I'd be MUCH more comfortable with someone who's worked with a U2, Radiohead, etc... than someone who's apparently never worked with a band that's worth two shits. It doesn't have to be the same style as DMB but it'd be a nice change of pace for them to hire a producer that's actually done something worth while.

[kydmb99]

ahem, lillywhite worked with matchbox20...

AFTER working with DMB. I don't care what he's done since working with DMB.

[chr35919]

AFTER working with DMB. I don't care what he's done since working with DMB.you should

[chr35919]

No, but looking at a track record is definitely a good indication of what you're going to get in the future, just as it has been with the last couple of DMB producers.

First of all, U2, unlike the shit this Cavallo guy has worked with, is a really good band. Lillywhite had experience working with a talented group before and was a big player in helping U2 grow. Basically, I'd be MUCH more comfortable with someone who's worked with a U2, Radiohead, etc... than someone who's apparently never worked with a band that's worth two shits. It doesn't have to be the same style as DMB but it'd be a nice change of pace for them to hire a producer that's actually done something worth while.
how to dismantle an atomic bomb is a pile of shit.

[kydmb99]

Basically, I just wish DMB had chosen someone without such a pop/even punk background. But whatever, I'll give the guy a shot. Can't be worse than last time. And I AM EXCITED AS HELL about Tim coming back. :thumbsup

[fallbackagain40]

Listen to Goo Goo Dolls -Iris on that album and u'll see the guy's got some skills that will carry over to DMB. That track is brilliantly done.

[HolyCow]

AFTER working with DMB. I don't care what he's done since working with DMB.
So that means if he came BACK to DMB to produce this one, he would have worked with Matchbox 20 before DMB.

[HolyCow]

Basically, I just wish DMB had chosen someone without such a pop/even punk background. But whatever, I'll give the guy a shot. Can't be worse than last time. And I AM EXCITED AS HELL about Tim coming back. :thumbsup
That's the spirit! :thumbsup I can get behind that. Just give it a chance. That's all it takes.

And Tim being back CAN'T be a bad thing.

[kydmb99]

So that means if he came BACK to DMB to produce this one, he would have worked with Matchbox 20 before DMB.

Do you REALLY want to get into an argument about whether or not Lillywhite can make a great album with DMB? Seriously?

[HolyCow]

Do you REALLY want to get into an argument about whether or not Lillywhite can make a great album with DMB? Seriously?
No but I was just going by the philosophy of what you said. It's all in who the guy's been with in the past and like someone pointed out Matchbox 20 is on Lillywhite's resume. Which of course doesn't mean he would make a bad album with DMB. So the point here is, it doesn't really matter who the guy's produced in the past.

[kydmb99]

That's the spirit! :thumbsup I can get behind that. Just give it a chance. That's all it takes.

And Tim being back CAN'T be a bad thing.

Yeah, like I gave Batson a shot, I'll let this guy do his thing. I won't judge until I hear it... I'm just a little dissapointed with the choice is all.

But yes, I nearly shat myself when I found out Tim was coming back.

[kydmb99]

No but I was just going by the philosophy of what you said. It's all in who the guy's been with in the past and like someone pointed out Matchbox 20 is on Lillywhite's resume. Which of course doesn't mean he would make a bad album with DMB. So the point here is, it doesn't really matter who the guy's produced in the past.

Yes, the only difference between Lillywhite and Cavallo is Lillywhite just produced UTTAD, Crash, BTCS and tLWS..... Slight difference there. ;)

[chr35919]

Do you REALLY want to get into an argument about whether or not Lillywhite can make a great album with DMB? Seriously?all we're saying is everyone works with shitty bands.

[MistreatedLewis]

No but I was just going by the philosophy of what you said. It's all in who the guy's been with in the past and like someone pointed out Matchbox 20 is on Lillywhite's resume. Which of course doesn't mean he would make a bad album with DMB. So the point here is, it doesn't really matter who the guy's produced in the past.

It matters if this guy has produced any good albums in the past - and I'm sorry, but Dookie and American idiot constitute shit albums.

This guy has not made good music before. He's not going to suddenly start with DMB.

[MistreatedLewis]

all we're saying is everyone works with shitty bands.

And some people work only with shitty bands. Like, you know, Ballard, Batson, and this guy now.

[HolyCow]

It matters if this guy has produced any good albums in the past - and I'm sorry, but Dookie and American idiot constitute shit albums.

This guy has not made good music before. He's not going to suddenly start with DMB.
Hey now, he did produce the Rent soundtrack. :lol

[Swizz2007]

It matters if this guy has produced any good albums in the past - and I'm sorry, but Dookie and American idiot constitute shit albums.

For you to say that, I can't imagine you've actually listened to them. Care to explain what is shitty about them?

[MistreatedLewis]

For you to say that, I can't imagine you've actually listened to them. Care to explain what is shitty about them?

lol, who hasn't listened to them?

Yes: the music is bad. That is what is shitty about them.

[kydmb99]

It matters if this guy has produced any good albums in the past - and I'm sorry, but Dookie and American idiot constitute shit albums.

This guy has not made good music before. He's not going to suddenly start with DMB.


BUT TEH LAYERS!!!

[HolyCow]

lol, who hasn't listened to them?

Yes: the music is bad. That is what is shitty about them.
You do realize he's worked with Fleetwood Mac, right? And that album sure didn't have a punk rock/pop sound.

[Swizz2007]

lol, who hasn't listened to them?

Yes: the music is bad. That is what is shitty about them.

Well, the majority of humans who have listened to American Idiot would disagree with you. It got better reception than any album DMB has done this decade, and deservedly so. It was a very well-done album.

[chr35919]

i feel like dave calls alanis whenever he needs a new producer.

[chr35919]

Well, the majority of humans who have listened to American Idiot would disagree with you. It got better reception than any album DMB has done this decade, and deservedly so. It was a very well-done album.dookie > american idiot.

[MistreatedLewis]

You do realize he's worked with Fleetwood Mac, right? And that album sure didn't have a punk rock/pop sound.

yes. and Batson is an incredibly talented jazz musician so that should help the recording process too. And hell< Jagged Little Pill was one of the top albums of the 90s.

Anyway, I've said what I think. I'm expecting the worst. We'll see what they deliver.

[MistreatedLewis]

Well, the majority of humans who have listened to American Idiot would disagree with you. It got better reception than any album DMB has done this decade, and deservedly so. It was a very well-done album.

Well the majority of humans have bad taste. And if you don't believe me, check out the billbaord top 200

[HolyCow]

yes. and Batson is an incredibly talented jazz musician so that should help the recording process too. And hell< Jagged Little Pill was one of the top albums of the 90s.

Anyway, I've said what I think. I'm expecting the worst. We'll see what they deliver.
Good lord but you just said he hasn't made any good music in the past... and everyone is flipping because they think since he's worked with Green Day it's going to be a punk album.

Obviously he has a pretty diverse background. I think he will be good. And I think it's more in the songwriting than in the production. If Dave writes good songs we'll have a good album.

[funksoul]

I don't think you can dismiss a producer for creating "hits." I mean to be fair Steve Lilywhite has probably produced more hits with U2 alone than Batson, Ballard, and Cavallo combined. It will come down to the band and the music ultimately and Tim certainly helps that mix. Cavallo will put his spin on it for sure but I think the fact that Tim is recording with them is the bigger and more relevant news...IMO.

[Rockyall107]

yes. and Batson is an incredibly talented jazz musician so that should help the recording process too. And hell< Jagged Little Pill was one of the top albums of the 90s.

Anyway, I've said what I think. I'm expecting the worst. We'll see what they deliver.

when have you ever expected anything else with this band lately?

[chr35919]

yes. and Batson is an incredibly talented jazz musician so that should help the recording process too. And hell< Jagged Little Pill was one of the top albums of the 90s.

Anyway, I've said what I think. I'm expecting the worst. We'll see what they deliver.at least your consistent

[MistreatedLewis]

I've said it before and I said it again: unless the band does something drastic like rehiring lillywhite, there is zero reason to expect a good album from DMB in the future. Zero.

[joshr612]

nice thanks! that's just down the street! :) :)

Me too, lets head down there!:)

[MistreatedLewis]

at least your consistent

Well that's actually untrue since I was expecting SU to be quite good.

[MistreatedLewis]

when have you ever expected anything else with this band lately?

What reason have they given me not to?

[Rockyall107]

hahaha

[HolyCow]

This is a really great record. I don't care what anyone says.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dizzy_Up_The_Girl

And Cavallo produced it. And it's not punk rock.

[Jimi's Thing]

I expect nothing more than Everyday II.

[RobbtheRevelatr]

The band's are bad, yes - but the producer isn't. Most of the songs he has produced are extremely well layered and well produced - but are bad songs because well...the band's suck.



While the judgement on the bands mentioned is subjective, I agree with you about the producer choice. I'm interested in his prowess, not who he's produced. :thumbsup

[RobbtheRevelatr]

Good lord but you just said he hasn't made any good music in the past... and everyone is flipping because they think since he's worked with Green Day it's going to be a punk album.

Obviously he has a pretty diverse background. I think he will be good. And I think it's more in the songwriting than in the production. If Dave writes good songs we'll have a good album.

Yeah, and that diversity seems to show that he'll build the production of the album around the band, and not try to make them into something they're not. If that principle is adhered to, I'm not worried. Will it be great? who knows, but it won't be as inappropriate as the hip hop influenced Stand Up, and it won't be as condensed as Everyday. That's two steps in the right direction.

[awsomepath]

what are they thinking?

at least Tim will be there...

[Pig17]

Hopefully, he'll convince Dave to slowly step away from the Baritone.

[Malaguy]

I've said it before and I said it again: unless the band does something drastic like rehiring lillywhite, there is zero reason to expect a good album from DMB in the future. Zero.
:twak


It's obvious you're more of a fan of Steve Lillywhite than DMB, if this is your opinion. To say that there is ZERO chance of a good album without him is just plain close-minded. Just because the 3 albums without him haven't been AS good, doesn't mean that it's utterly impossible for them to create a good album without him. You're giving him FAR too much credit. Yes, he's a hell of a producer, no one is arguing that fact, but an album's quality starts with the songwriting, not the producing. If the writing sucks, then the album sucks. Yes, a producer can affect this, but we've also seen quite the creative burst from the band since the last album; don't forget they've taken the time to road test a lot of material, as opposed to the last couple albums. They know what they want this time around. They're away from their comfort zone of Haunted Hollow, which was the downfall last time around, and they've picked a producer (albeit not my first choice either) who's at least worked with rock bands before - however shitty you may think they are - and not just hip-hop, which is all loops and samples.

All this leads me, and many others, to have a little hope this time around. We know that the band is aware of Stand Up's poor reception - this is a fact. THEY know that it was a subpar effort, and that's why they took 3 years to do a new one. They actually wrote songs, and road tested them before heading in. On an album like this, you can safely bet that the producer will have little impact because of these factors. So please, Lewis, shut the fuck up, and keep your goddamned negativity to yourself. Allow those of us who actually remain fans of the band to be excited about the new album, despite your dissatisfaction with their choice of producer.

[warehouseguy]

geez... you all, he has produced alanis and jewel... NOT India Arie and hip hop mess...

Green day was a punk band before this producer worked w/ them... he made really solid punk rock w/ them....

I expect w/ tim in the studio, many songs already tested, and the band's long lead up to this album, this will be a solid LP...

no complaints about this producer from me

[MistreatedLewis]

:twak


It's obvious you're more of a fan of Steve Lillywhite than DMB, if this is your opinion. To say that there is ZERO chance of a good album without him is just plain close-minded. Just because the 3 albums without him haven't been AS good, doesn't mean that it's utterly impossible for them to create a good album without him. You're giving him FAR too much credit. Yes, he's a hell of a producer, no one is arguing that fact, but an album's quality starts with the songwriting, not the producing. If the writing sucks, then the album sucks. Yes, a producer can affect this, but we've also seen quite the creative burst from the band since the last album; don't forget they've taken the time to road test a lot of material, as opposed to the last couple albums. They know what they want this time around. They're away from their comfort zone of Haunted Hollow, which was the downfall last time around, and they've picked a producer (albeit not my first choice either) who's at least worked with rock bands before - however shitty you may think they are - and not just hip-hop, which is all loops and samples.

All this leads me, and many others, to have a little hope this time around. We know that the band is aware of Stand Up's poor reception - this is a fact. THEY know that it was a subpar effort, and that's why they took 3 years to do a new one. They actually wrote songs, and road tested them before heading in. On an album like this, you can safely bet that the producer will have little impact because of these factors. So please, Lewis, shut the fuck up, and keep your goddamned negativity to yourself. Allow those of us who actually remain fans of the band to be excited about the new album, despite your dissatisfaction with their choice of producer.

I apologize if you never learned how to read, but I said there was zero reason to EXPECT a good album, not that there is zero chance that there will be one. Big difference, sugar ass.

[zdaddy]

I apologize if you never learned how to read, but I said there was zero reason to EXPECT a good album, not that there is zero chance that there will be one. Big difference, sugar ass.
cant wait to watch you eat your platter of Crow

[MistreatedLewis]

cant wait to watch you eat your platter of Crow

dude, you don't know how much I hope you are right

[BeQuietAndDrive]

I'm giving the guy a shot. It's an interesting choice, to say the least. But the one thing that I found interesting is that DMB has already finished pre-production, and is now starting recording.

That says to me, at least, that they aren't looking for a therapy session. This Cavallo isn't a songwriter, he is a producer. That, at least to me, is the major thing that separates him from Ballard and Batson. Not only did the Killer B's reshape DMB's sound, they wrote the songs that did it.

I'm holding off judgment until I hear something. Until then, the only thing I'll get absolutely fired up about is Tim's presence. There is NO WAY that is a bad thing at all. None.

[kydmb99]

I'm giving the guy a shot. It's an interesting choice, to say the least. But the one thing that I found interesting is that DMB has already finished pre-production, and is now starting recording.

That says to me, at least, that they aren't looking for a therapy session. This Cavallo isn't a songwriter, he is a producer. That, at least to me, is the major thing that separates him from Ballard and Batson. Not only did the Killer B's reshape DMB's sound, they wrote the songs that did it.

I'm holding off judgment until I hear something. Until then, the only thing I'll get absolutely fired up about is Tim's presence. There is NO WAY that is a bad thing at all. None.

This is the truth. :thumbsup

[Jimi's Thing]

While the judgement on the bands mentioned is subjective, I agree with you about the producer choice. I'm interested in his prowess, not who he's produced. :thumbsup

I think you might be missing the big point here. Yes, he is a good producer, but so was Glen Ballard. Who he produces says alot about his specialty, which is writing albums that are radio friendly yet well produced. In my opinion, it's not the genre the matters as much as the type of songs written by the bands under his tutelage that tells the real story (if that's what you were getting at then I agree). I don't think it's any coincidence now that the 2004 songs are suddenly "dead in the water" because DMB is working with a producer who isn't gonna put a 10 minute Sugar Will or a 7 minute Crazy Easy with a 2 minute LeRoi solo at the end. Sure we might get a great SUAD cut since it's short and could be popular with a larger audience, but I think we're sacrificing a good cut of a song like Loving Wings in the process. This isn't coming from an inside source or anything, it just seems to make sense to me. I could be completely wrong.

I'll judge the finished product when it comes out of course, but this move proves to me that DMB is definitely looking for one more album that's gonna climb the charts and they're not necessarily concerned with it climbing into people's top 3 albums list on sites like these.

[zdaddy]

dude, you don't know how much I hope you are right
maybe you should stop shooting so many birds, that way you'll actually be able to eat it all

[BeQuietAndDrive]

I think you might be missing the big point here. Yes, he is a good producer, but so was Glen Ballard. Who he produces says alot about his specialty, which is writing albums that are radio friendly yet well produced. In my opinion, it's not the genre the matters as much as the type of songs written by the bands under his tutelage that tells the real story (if that's what you were getting at then I agree). I don't think it's any coincidence now that the 2004 songs are suddenly "dead in the water" because DMB is working with a producer who isn't gonna put a 10 minute Sugar Will or a 7 minute Crazy Easy with a 2 minute LeRoi solo at the end. Sure we might get a great SUAD cut since it's short and could be popular with a larger audience, but I think we're sacrificing a good cut of a song like Loving Wings in the process. This isn't coming from an inside source or anything, it just seems to make sense to me. I could be completely wrong.

I'll judge the finished product when it comes out of course, but this move proves to me that DMB is definitely looking for one more album that's gonna climb the charts and they're not necessarily concerned with it climbing into people's top 3 albums list on sites like these.

Couple things:

1) Cavallo is not a songwriter. He is a producer.
2) Regardless of your opinion on American Idiot (or Green Day), it WAS ambitious for the band, and had a couple of songs 10 minutes long. Green Day was essentially dead in the water and that album revived them, in a big way. I don't think there's anything to suggest Cavallo would tell DMB to condense Sugar Will into a four-minute pop song.

[jaymas9]

It matters if this guy has produced any good albums in the past - and I'm sorry, but Dookie and American idiot constitute shit albums.

This guy has not made good music before. He's not going to suddenly start with DMB.You have to separate music from production. They are different things. Both of those albums are very well produced. So if DMB makes the good music, this guy is going to make it sound good on an album.

[MistreatedLewis]

You have to separate music from production. They are different things. Both of those albums are very well produced. So if DMB makes the good music, this guy is going to make it sound good on an album.

His job isn't to make it sound good. His job is to make the band create the highest quality music they can.

[jaymas9]

His job isn't to make it sound good. His job is to make the band create the highest quality music they can.Alright let me re-phrase....if they have good music, it will be produced well. Not to mention as someone said, I wouldn't worry about generic pop condensing here. I don't like Green Day, but American Idiot was certainly ambitious for him, showing the producer knows how to push people.

[MistreatedLewis]

Alright let me re-phrase....if they have good music, it will be produced well. Not to mention as someone said, I wouldn't worry about generic pop condensing here. I don't like Green Day, but American Idiot was certainly ambitious for him, showing the producer knows how to push people.

Like I said. When the album deserves five stars, I'll come back and eat crow.

I'm not all that worried though.

[RobbtheRevelatr]

I think you might be missing the big point here. Yes, he is a good producer, but so was Glen Ballard. Who he produces says alot about his specialty, which is writing albums that are radio friendly yet well produced. In my opinion, it's not the genre the matters as much as the type of songs written by the bands under his tutelage that tells the real story (if that's what you were getting at then I agree). I don't think it's any coincidence now that the 2004 songs are suddenly "dead in the water" because DMB is working with a producer who isn't gonna put a 10 minute Sugar Will or a 7 minute Crazy Easy with a 2 minute LeRoi solo at the end. Sure we might get a great SUAD cut since it's short and could be popular with a larger audience, but I think we're sacrificing a good cut of a song like Loving Wings in the process. This isn't coming from an inside source or anything, it just seems to make sense to me. I could be completely wrong.

I'll judge the finished product when it comes out of course, but this move proves to me that DMB is definitely looking for one more album that's gonna climb the charts and they're not necessarily concerned with it climbing into people's top 3 albums list on sites like these.

I think you and I are really on the same page. I don't think Cavallo is writing with them, and that's key. I agree Ballard is not a bad producer but he's not great. Remember, he and Batson both wrote with DMB and are credited as co-writers of songs on the respective albums. Lillywhite was never credited as a writer on the albums he produced. That's the difference to me. So long as the band seems to be taking their songs in the studio with them and not relying on a producer to write, I feel ok with the choice. I'm sure they'll work up some new songs while there as well.

Also, if a producer should be judged by who they've worked with, Lillywhite just produced Matchbox 20.. one of the biggest pop/rock bands out there. Producing is a job, and they'll work with who pays them. Granted neither Cavallo or Lillywhite is likely to jump into working on a Rap album, but I don't think Steve working with Matchbox 20 really beefs up his resume. That new single of their's sucks. Also proof that a true producer can only do so much.

[Jimi's Thing]

Couple things:

1) Cavallo is not a songwriter. He is a producer.
2) Regardless of your opinion on American Idiot (or Green Day), it WAS ambitious for the band, and had a couple of songs 10 minutes long. Green Day was essentially dead in the water and that album revived them, in a big way. I don't think there's anything to suggest Cavallo would tell DMB to condense Sugar Will into a four-minute pop song.

1) Understood, bad choice of words on my part.

2) Keep in mind that a good number of Green Day fans hated American Idiot because they felt the band "sold out" by taking the stance they did...which also might suggest that DMB might be inching closer to another Everyday-like album, not in the means of style changes but of very radio friendly songs.

It's all speculation based on his past work though....I guess we'll just have to see how it plays out.

[jaymas9]

Like I said. When the album deserves five stars, I'll come back and eat crow.

I'm not all that worried though.Fair enough...And I know you'd love to eat that crow so we'll leave it at that.

[RobbtheRevelatr]

2) Keep in mind that a good number of Green Day fans hated American Idiot because they felt the band "sold out" by taking the stance they did...which also might suggest that DMB might be inching closer to another Everyday-like album, not in the means of style changes but of very radio friendly songs.



Fortuantely, DMB has already done that in the eyes of their fans.. with two (ED and SU) albums. This may not be the best DMB album, but it can't be any worse than those two. If it is, they'll lose a lot of their fanbase I bet.

So it may be that they don't get old fans back, but atleast do enough to keep us current fans happy. But who knows.

[speyendoc1]

1. i know about producing a record as much a i know about cold fusion....i'm sure the band sees something in this guy that they like, so i'll trust their judgement and give this new album a fair shot.

2. on a positive note, from what i gather reading around in this site, some of the songs have been road tested and have gotten a good response from fans, that means that it cant be all that bad.

3. last, it's dmb we're talking about, even after ED, did we stop going to the shows, did we stop listening to our fav. band....and even if this album sucks ass, i'm willing to bet that nothing will change, and we'll wait until their next record and go over all this shit again.

[kyledmb]

ahem, lillywhite worked with matchbox20...

:thumbsup :thumbsup and the end product wasn't even good!!!

[Swizz2007]

1. i know about producing a record as much a i know about cold fusion....i'm sure the band sees something in this guy that they like, so i'll trust their judgement and give this new album a fair shot.

2. on a positive note, from what i gather reading around in this site, some of the songs have been road tested and have gotten a good response from fans, that means that it cant be all that bad.

3. last, it's dmb we're talking about, even after ED, did we stop going to the shows, did we stop listening to our fav. band....and even if this album sucks ass, i'm willing to bet that nothing will change, and we'll wait until their next record and go over all this shit again.

Every one of those points could have been said before Stand Up came out, so your post unfortunately means nothing :cool

[CoffeeJanitor]

Only Ants could turn a producer's "Impressive resume" into "a pile of shit".

[Jimi's Thing]

Only Ants could turn a producer's "Impressive resume" into "a pile of shit".

It is definitely an impressive resume, but it's just a question of whether his style will work with DMB's style in the past so we can finally get a DMB album that hasn't been raped by the laziness of the band or the prospect of getting huge radio play.

I haven't read the entire thread, but I'm pretty sure the words "pile of shit" have not been used to described Cavallo.

[CoffeeJanitor]

It is definitely an impressive resume, but it's just a question of whether his style will work with DMB's style in the past so we can finally get a DMB album that hasn't been raped by the laziness of the band or the prospect of getting huge radio play.

I haven't read the entire thread, but I'm pretty sure the words "pile of shit" have not been used to described Cavallo.I believe they were used to describe his resume a few pages back.

[Jimi's Thing]

Well the majority of humans have bad taste. And if you don't believe me, check out the billbaord top 200

Was backreading and saw this....couldn't be any more true:thumbsup

[ZackR]

I just uploaded this:

Ultrasound: Dave Matthews Band - Before These Crowded Streets (http://mindshatter.com/dmbdl/video/UltraSound.mpg)

Just reminiscing...

I hope they capture some like that in the studio with the new guy...

[dmb556]

god my chemical romance and greenday is a bad fucking sign

[HolyCow]

god my chemical romance and greenday is a bad fucking sign
Is Fleetwood Mac and Alanis Morrisette a bad sign too?

[crushme5]

why don't we just give this guy a chance. i was very excited when i saw rob cavallo was going to produce the album. he's got a great track record. i've read the pages, and songs like uninvited and iris are absolutely phenomenal. not to mention, american idiot was one of the top albums, i believe grammy nominated, the year it came out. i believe a lot of you will be surprised at how this record turns out. producers that produce enhance a band's sound/tunes while a producer/write has more influence on the structure of the songs. cavallo is not a writer. he's a big time producer. he will only enhance the songs that dmb is bringing to the studio. i'm excited for the result.

[Dagwin]

I think it's pretty safe to say that DMB will never go back to recording in the fashion they did BTCS w/Lillywhite. That era is long gone. They moved on with that style the second they decided to fire Lillywhite in the middle of their 2000 sessions.

Think about it. Have they come anywhere near that style in 8 long years? Nope. And with this new producer, there is no indication that they ever will.

The fact that Tim Reynolds is back in the studio with the guys sounds great. How will it play out with Cavallo though? Who knows?

Anyone that knows me, knows that I've hammered DMB ever since 2000 with the material they've put out. In the back of my mind, I always held out hope that they'd put out another BTCS. However, it's been 8 years. It's not going to happen. I just hope that whatever they release has at least a couple songs that are worth while to the old-school fans. And as many keep saying, even bad DMB is better than most everything else!

[Gladstone]

I have to disagree there. Bad DMB is just as bad as any other bad music. Just like Lewis and some other people I'm expecting the worst. I'm looking forward hearing what Timmy's going to add though.

DMB should've went with a jazz producer though, or a bossa nova one. Ofcourse you can say Rob has improved the artists he has worked with, but the artists he has worked with still suck.

Lillywhite has a fantastic past, has put out fantastic albums with fantastic music. He has produced like what...two crappy artists?

Yes, I'm hot for Lillywhite.

Let's hope Tim will be producing a bit on the side. Let's hope he has some good influence on the band.

Also, ofcourse in the end it's DMB's choice, and DMB's fault (I'm not sure if the management has any role in this) they pick shitty producers and in the end put out shitty albums.

[bibby1044]

god my chemical romance and greenday is a bad fucking sign
I dont think so, Cavallo seems too make all bands better. Example- Goo Goo Dolls Dizzy up the Girl was my favorite album of theirs. Judging by his resume it seems that hes one of those producers who can work with anyone.

Hes a guy that builds around a band, in stead of the opposite like DMB conforming to Batsons style.

[crushme5]

http://www.crazedhits.com/2008/03/01/interview-rob-cavallo/

not sure if this has been posted yet. but it's a good interview with rob cavallo

[kck211s]

Come on! You guys act like he's going to have the fellas wearing guy-liner on the cover of the album and singing whiny songs about their disaffected youth.

I think its an intriguing choice. He seems to have gotten some really good work out of the bands he's produced. While I loved the Lillywhite days, as well, it really is time to let it go. It isn't going to happen. And I don't think anyone would question that the band has written some excellent material post parting ways with him. Admittedly, much of it hasn't made it on the albums--but the point is, the band is still capable of writing excellent songs, and this guy seems to bring out the best in a lot of the bands he's worked with. I'm cautiously optimistic-more so than I was with Batson, as this choice at least makes some sense to me (seriously? A hip-hop producer-still trying to wrap my head around that . . . ).

[jordanbball17]

I don't really want to say anything about expectations, because if the album is released and it sucks, I don't want to go through the embarrassment of reading my former posts.

[bibby1044]

Yeah. That's it.

Because we look at the same Wikipedia website, and don't get agitated that he produced records from those groups.

Each group has their own style and he didn't change a single one of them, he only enhanced their music as a producer. When he produced Goo Goo Dolls, he made them a record that sounded like the Goo Goo Dolls - not Green Day's, "Dookie".

The band's are bad, yes - but the producer isn't. Most of the songs he has produced are extremely well layered and well produced - but are bad songs because well...the band's suck.

He's not going in with intentions to change DMB, and I doubt DMB took him in to become a changed band. If DMB wanted to go mainstream, they would have. I guarentee half of you here that are upset that DMB is going, "mainstream" didn't even know that Cavallo produced ANY Green Day album.

:thumbsup :thumbsup

[Xavid]

http://www.crazedhits.com/2008/03/01/interview-rob-cavallo/

not sure if this has been posted yet. but it's a good interview with rob cavallo
I was just listening to an interview here http://www.artistshousemusic.org/videos/rob+cavallo

I think its the same interview. He talks a lot, but says some good things. Its gives some insights into his views about producing.

[RobbtheRevelatr]

god my chemical romance and greenday is a bad fucking sign

Yeah.. Lillywhite scored major with his production on albums from Jason Mraz and Matchbox 20. Must mean he's now a terrible producer and no longer capable of working with a band like DMB.

[jordanbball17]

Yeah.. Lillywhite scored major with his production on albums from Jason Mraz and Matchbox 20. Must mean he's now a terrible producer and no longer capable of working with a band like DMB.
:thumbsup :thumbsup

[number4ty1]

God, some of you really believe that Lillywhite is the only good music producer out there?

Come on, he was very important for DMB, but DMB already proved they can make great music without Lillywhite, and I have faith they will make more great music without Lillywhite.

Even post-2000 songs. Crazy Easy, Sugar Will, Shotgun... Those are what? Bad songs ? No way !

Even Everyday isn't as bad as some people here say...

[Sister]

I admit not knowing a bunch about how albums are produced, but I loved some of the music he's worked with in the past, so there's no reason to think I won't love this.

Add Tim (TIM!) to the mix and it's gonna be sa-WEET!

:hump

[mikepalmer2005]

I look at this whole Cavallo situation like this, DMB were huge in the 90s, not so much anymore. Cavallo took Greenday, who I can honestly say didnt hear anything from again TILL American Idiot (I think I seriously forgot about them a couple years after Dookie). Then he took My Chemical Romance and helped out with the Black Parade, which many MCR fans think is their best and probably can't be topped. I think being judgmental on the style of music is going too far, look at the amount of people those albums pleased.......................... DMB is a member of the Alternative 90s, not the 00s, maybe Cavallo is exactly what they need?

[rickyh24]

I really thought Gladstone and Lewis would like this producer choice.....I guess I was mistaken.

[rickyh24]

Rob's resume (or whatever you call it in english) is pretty horrible...



Its really not though....Just because you don't like some of the people he works with doesn't make his resume horrible.

[Kennetjr]

I just uploaded this:

Ultrasound: Dave Matthews Band - Before These Crowded Streets (http://mindshatter.com/dmbdl/video/UltraSound.mpg)

Just reminiscing...

I hope they capture some like that in the studio with the new guy...

I've never seen that. Thats badass.

[mr. testaverde]

Even Everyday isn't as bad as some people here say...

yes it is. even the band knows it.

[HolyCow]

I really thought Gladstone and Lewis would like this producer choice.....I guess I was mistaken.
Some people like being negative for the sake of being negative. That's their online identity. And they like it.

[elconguero]

i am thinking this guy is going to be like harris was on busted stuff. someone there just to record the songs the band already knows they want to record. i am expecting a busted stuff type album. decent songs that are just boring with no chances taken.

not good but not bad. unfortunately i was hoping for something artistic. what was i thinking, right? i have more artistic integrity at work designing shitty albums for independent bands that no one will ever hear. dmb just doesn't give a fuck anymore. as an artist myself i don't understand that. i would never want my name on something that i feel is shitty and to quote dave "shallow." i would stop creating art before i would do that.

guess i will have to wait until daves next solo album to hear some art.

please dmb prove me wrong.

[CoffeeJanitor]

i am thinking this guy is going to be like harris was on busted stuff. someone there just to record the songs the band already knows they want to record. i am expecting a busted stuff type album. decent songs that are just boring with no chances taken.

not good but not bad. unfortunately i was hoping for something artistic. what was i thinking, right? i have more artistic integrity at work designing shitty albums for independent bands that no one will ever hear. dmb just doesn't give a fuck anymore. as an artist myself i don't understand that. i would never want my name on something that i feel is shitty and to quote dave "shallow." i would stop creating art before i would do that.

guess i will have to wait until daves next solo album to hear some art.

please dmb prove me wrong.He seems to be the type of producer that will push a band if they aren't performing up to thier ability, so I'd be confident.

[kydmb99]

Some people like being negative for the sake of being negative. That's their online identity. And they like it.

:thumbsdow Yes, they CERTAINLY can't actually dislike the choice.

:rolleyes

[Gladstone]

I admit I've gotten slightly bittered throughout the years but this is my honest opinion - I do not think this is the right producer for DMB.

[rickyh24]

Maybe we could i dunno......Listen to the album first?

This guy has produced a few bands best albums...

Yeah I know its Green Day and The Goo Goo Dolls. Whatever. Give him a shot.

[Gladstone]

Maybe we could i dunno......Listen to the album first?

This guy has produced a few bands best albums...

Yeah I know its Green Day and The Goo Goo Dolls. Whatever. Give him a shot.

I can't... I'm sorry... I honestly hope it will be a great album, but I don't expect it to be. I think it will be better than Stand Up though, and it might top Busted Stuff and Everyday aswell simply because of Tim. God I hope Tim is all on this album, every single track.

[rickyh24]

I can't... I'm sorry... I honestly hope it will be a great album, but I don't expect it to be. I think it will be better than Stand Up though, and it might top Busted Stuff and Everyday aswell simply because of Tim. God I hope Tim is all on this album, every single track.

Well it seems in your mind that it can only be great if it is better than one of the big three. Is this correct?

[Gladstone]

Well it seems in your mind that it can only be great if it is better than one of the big three. Is this correct?

No absolutely not, the big three are exceptional records... Something a little less can be fantastic too. :)

[§somedevil§]

agreed^

While i too am skeptical of the "pop" sound Cavallo may bring, i believe the album will be legitimate. I don't believe it will have the same "pop failure" as Everyday, simply because of the material i believe will be on the record.
regardless of the producer, having timmy on the album is pretty hard to f up (knock on wood)

[funksoul]

I am going to assume Tim Reynolds will be the "buffer" in this process. He has known DMB before there even was a DMB...I don't think he's there to just sit around and be a lapdog. TR will speak up his mind and tell the band AND Cavallo if a song sucks. Cavallo will make his mark but there is no way in hell Tim Reynolds will associate his name with a garbage DMB album. I just don't think he will let them...the sessions will fall apart before you see TR's name prominent in the liner notes on an album like Stand Up. If there is anyone that may know this band's "sound" and talent more than Steve Lilywhite it is Tim Reynolds. The fact that he is in the studio and the band clearly made a concerted effort to get him in there says a lot IMO.

[Gladstone]

I am going to assume Tim Reynolds will be the "buffer" in this process. He has known DMB before there even was a DMB...I don't think he's there to just sit around and be a lapdog. TR will speak up his mind and tell the band AND Cavallo if a song sucks. Cavallo will make his mark but there is no way in hell Tim Reynolds will associate his name with a garbage DMB album. I just don't think he will let them...the sessions will fall apart before you see TR's name prominent in the liner notes on an album like Stand Up. If there is anyone that may know this band's "sound" and talent more than Steve Lilywhite it is Tim Reynolds. The fact that he is in the studio and the band clearly made a concerted effort to get him in there says a lot IMO.

This is what I'm hoping for.

[funksoul]

This is what I'm hoping for.

Well it is what it is...Timmy doesn't HAVE to be literally IN the studio to appear on the album. The fact that the band posted such a statement gives me reason to believe not only his stellar musicianship are requested but also his knowledge of what this band is all about. Therefore, I am optimistic.

[Dramageek]

I would hope that after Stand Up came out, and Tim learned some of those songs for D+T shows, Tim said to Dave "Seriously Dave? What the hell?"

[funksoul]

I would hope that after Stand Up came out, and Tim learned some of those songs for D+T shows, Tim said to Dave "Seriously Dave? What the hell?"


You got it...only Smooth Rider and Old Dirt Hill were played D&T right? You can go back further too...only WTWE and Everyday (kind of #36 anyway) off that album...Timmy gets it believe me. They are all getting high in the studio right now and they are not making the next Dreamgirl I promise you.

[VanHorneDog]

:lol Everyone here is insane but us.

im expecting Shotgun to be the first single... which means the whole damn thing is going down hill fast... very fast.

i will not expect anything better than ED or BS. i will expect better than SU, becuase that album is a DMB abortion and they know it. so i think they will do better. :shrug

[rickyh24]

No way in hell Shotgun will be the first single.

[Shoesuntied]

I feel like all these people who are bitching about the producer need to just step back and realize that the album isn't out yet. If the album gets released and then sucks... then please feel free to say "See, Cavallo was a shitty producer!".

Until then, I don't see the need to do more than just state that you don't think he would be a good choice. It's not like Dave is sitting here reading this and is going to change his mind. Even if he was it's not like he's thinking, "Oh man this guy who just said I had a massive boner for pop producers is right... I'm going to get on the phone right now so that this guy gets the album that he wants."

[VanHorneDog]

You got it...only Smooth Rider and Old Dirt Hill were played D&T right? You can go back further too...only WTWE and Everyday (kind of #36 anyway) off that album...Timmy gets it believe me. They are all getting high in the studio right now and they are not making the next Dreamgirl I promise you.

thats a really good point. i hope Tim really is the problem with the band, you know somebody to say. hey dude, thats crap.

maybe thats why they had a falling out? i dunno.

[funksoul]

im expecting Shotgun to be the first single... which means the whole damn thing is going down hill fast... very fast.

i will not expect anything better than ED or BS. i will expect better than SU, becuase that album is a DMB abortion and they know it. so i think they will do better. :shrug

Why would you think Shotgun would be the first single and what radio station would play it? Not gonna happen my friend...may make the album but it will not be the first single...my gues is the first single will be brand new.

[rickyh24]

OOMH's was played Dave and Tim too.

[rickyh24]

my guess is the first single will be brand new.

I hope so...

[Matt McKibben]

I am going to assume Tim Reynolds will be the "buffer" in this process. He has known DMB before there even was a DMB...I don't think he's there to just sit around and be a lapdog. TR will speak up his mind and tell the band AND Cavallo if a song sucks. Cavallo will make his mark but there is no way in hell Tim Reynolds will associate his name with a garbage DMB album. I just don't think he will let them...the sessions will fall apart before you see TR's name prominent in the liner notes on an album like Stand Up. If there is anyone that may know this band's "sound" and talent more than Steve Lilywhite it is Tim Reynolds. The fact that he is in the studio and the band clearly made a concerted effort to get him in there says a lot IMO.

:lol :lol :lol :lol

Tim: Guys, I think this song is sucking a big fat kucinich. You need to change it, NOW!

Carter: God damnit Dave, I told you he better keep his fucking mouth shut! C'mon Butch, we don't need these bitches!

[VanHorneDog]

No way in hell Shotgun will be the first single.

i know, but imagine if it was? ... eeks.

[funksoul]

OOMH's was played Dave and Tim too.

Right...was Tim doing anything though? I can't remember, haven't watched in a while:shrug

[Shoesuntied]

im expecting Shotgun to be the first single... which means the whole damn thing is going down hill fast... very fast.

i will not expect anything better than ED or BS. i will expect better than SU, becuase that album is a DMB abortion and they know it. so i think they will do better. :shrug

I would be very worried if I found out Shotgun was going to be the first single... Shotgun just isn't a radio song and it would have to be cut down A LOT to be one.

The first single will probably be The Idea of You... that or a new song that's radio friendly.

[VanHorneDog]

Why would you think Shotgun would be the first single and what radio station would play it? Not gonna happen my friend...may make the album but it will not be the first single...my gues is the first single will be brand new.

i was being a little sarcastic in saying that if the album sucks they willd turn shotgun so poppy that it will be single worthy. :lol

[VanHorneDog]

Right...was Tim doing anything though? I can't remember, haven't watched in a while:shrug

yes he was. but that was just for the DVD though, and tim sat down. like he didnt care for.

A, D, A, D, A, D, A, D, A, D.

[funksoul]

:lol :lol :lol :lol

Tim: Guys, I think this song is sucking a big fat kucinich. You need to change it, NOW!

Carter: God damnit Dave, I told you he better keep his fucking mouth shut! C'mon Butch, we don't need these bitches!


I don't think you have to worry about TR running his mouth...I think I have heard 3 words out of his mouth in 12 years...he'll just sit back, stop playing, fire up another doobie, and wait till something good happens. :lol

[rickyh24]

:lol :lol :lol :lol

Tim: Guys, I think this song is sucking a big fat kucinich. You need to change it, NOW!

Carter: God damnit Dave, I told you he better keep his fucking mouth shut! C'mon Butch, we don't need these bitches!


:lol :lol

[funksoul]

I think another encouraging part about Tim being in the studio during the recording process is the live translation. You know they will have some of these songs jammed out in studio and subsequently cut down, understandably, for the album...BUT come tour time they may not need a whole lot of time to find their way, so to speak, to a great "jam"

[HolyCow]

I just hope Cavallo goes back and checks one thing from previous DMB album gems:

Track length. On UTTAD, Crash and BTCS, the songs were long musical pieces. On the next three most the songs are three minutes.

If we can get back to 5-6 minute songs I'll be really happy. I think that's a sure sign the band is returning to old form.

[dontburnthe_pig]

I just hope Cavallo goes back and checks one thing from previous DMB album gems:

Track length. On UTTAD, Crash and BTCS, the songs were long musical pieces. On the next three most the songs are three minutes.

If we can get back to 5-6 minute songs I'll be really happy. I think that's a sure sign the band is returning to old form.

I think that's where the band really shines. They develop the james here and generate ideas for the live shows.

With Timmy back in the studio, I'm sure the gang is going to be inspired...

[DerekJTR2]

It's only the first day, we've got MONTHS. Maybe you pessimists can exhaust your expectations and predictions enough now to realize you got NO IDEA IN HELL what goes on with the band and what's going to happen is going to happen. If it's not album of the year material, you are all going to go piss and moan. Get over yourselves, enjoy DMB and hope for the best.

[DerekJTR2]

I have no expectations...but watching the video from dmbnews.net...He seems like kind of a boner. Just saying.

[Jimi's Thing]

The more and more I think about it (and the more I drink perhaps) I think that as long as Cavallo lets DMB be DMB, even if we have a change from the big 3 it might be possible to please almost everyone.

That's all we can ask for at this stage, really.

[RobbtheRevelatr]

All the negative talk about this producer.. I understand not getting your hopes up, but damn. Outside of a super producer / big name or Lillywhite, what the hell? Those of you who think Lillywhite is the only guy who can make DMB make a great album are already setting this album up to fail. None of us have no idea what he can do yet. If Lillywhite is really the only answer, then I'd have been gone from this community a long time ago.

[AFurth]

I think another encouraging part about Tim being in the studio during the recording process is the live translation. You know they will have some of these songs jammed out in studio and subsequently cut down, understandably, for the album...BUT come tour time they may not need a whole lot of time to find their way, so to speak, to a great "jam"


agreed - and i think that's the heart of the dmb we missed.

they would write complex and intricate jam parts that tim could solo over and make space for roi's and boyd's solos.

that combined with the songwriting chemistry dave has with tim and we're looking at good things.

FINALLY - i'm excited about the new album haha

[Caveat Emperor]

i am thinking this guy is going to be like harris was on busted stuff. someone there just to record the songs the band already knows they want to record. i am expecting a busted stuff type album. decent songs that are just boring with no chances taken.

If that was all they wanted, they'd have stuck with Batson.

There's a hiccup in the creative process with DMB, and I think everyone in the band knew that. If things were clicking -- if they had the material they wanted and they knew what they wanted to do, we'd already have an album right now. Whatever they were doing previously in studio, it wans't working. The long list of "unreleased" songs that've been done in studio and then scuttled (Good Good Time, Crazy Easy, Sugar Will, Break Free, Can't Stop, KTK) speaks directly to that. Hell, adding Tim Reynolds speaks to that as well -- a recognition that there is a missing element in the studio process.

And, lets remember that we're not dealing with kids or newbies here. I have to think they did a little more than just check on Monster.com to see what producers were looking for work. I'm sure they've all sat down with Rob and discussed what they want out of studio before he was hired.

Conversely, I'm sure Rob did his homework before signing as well -- listened to the material the band is considering releasing. He has a reputation to protect, and I don't think he'd sign on just to let the band do their thing. He also has to know that a band doesn't fire their producer in between sessions and hire a new one unless they WANT a new direction. I doubt he's walking into this thinking "OK, I'll just stand back and let this happen." There had to be some meeting of the minds that occurred long ago, otherwise he wouldn't have the job.

I'm cautiously optomistic. You aren't going to hear SU pt. 2 this go-around.

[ameneon]

Studio Litho is the studio owned by Pearl Jam-guitarist Stone Gossard if i´m not mistaken.

I feel the excitement and the sceptism both at the same time. Excited because I believe Tim can provide a factor pushing both the band and the record in the right direction. As far as Cavallo, his biggest sellers sure sounds like typical LA-overcompressed rock albums (American Idiot, and Black Parade), and i sure hope Carters kit don´t come off sounding like some punk-rock drums. I also hope the song "Uninvited" by Alanis can provide the best hint in what direction this album will hit, soundwise. It´s a track with a lot of stuff going on, lot of strings and layers. It kinda sounds like something in between "The Stone" and "Halloween" from BTCS...

As I said earlier, I hope Tim can be the difference both for the band and the record this time. But if i hear as much as one trumpet/piggy squeal from the fat man, i´ll be knocking down a few doors demanding some answers.

But when it comes to guests on albums, i´m really glad the albums haven´t been guest-fests like their liveshows, but they have avoided guests unless they have something really particular to add to a song or part. Greg Howard and Bela were essential to the tracks they contributed to on BTCS, the Lovely Ladies also on Stay, the Kronos Quartet really makes a difference also. So the fact that they rarely bring someone with them in the studio unless it´s absolutely necessary for a track is a good thing.

Then there´s Carlos Santana, but the track he played on basically sucked anyway so he couldn´t make much of a difference in any direction.

[raid24]

I can't... I'm sorry... I honestly hope it will be a great album, but I don't expect it to be. I think it will be better than Stand Up though, and it might top Busted Stuff and Everyday aswell simply because of Tim. God I hope Tim is all on this album, every single track.



:thumbsup :thumbsup i hope so too, maybe he can prove us wrong, that he is actually the key to a good album, not lillywhite!

[BigEyedFerg]

I think we've got to remain optomistic until Cavallo fails. Even if most would agree the 2004 songs are superior to the 06/07 songs, the band seems to have a bit more direction now than in '04. The songs are more solidified and set in their lyrics (for the most part at least). They come across as "polished" pieces, unlike the 04 ramblings and improvs that, admittedly, were pure badass in their own right.

But I think we've seen the band turn a corner, and bringing Tim back into the mix shows that they have an idea of what they need to make this albm great. They slammed the brakes when things weren't turning out as they liked the last time they tested things out in the studio, so they obviously aren't forcing anything.

I personally think we are in store for a solid album that easily tops Busted Stuff, just for the simple fact that the band seems to have taken on a much more deliberate and conscientious attitude about their studio work.

[DerekJTR2]

but they have avoided guests unless they have something really particular to add to a song or part. Greg Howard and Bela were essential to the tracks they contributed to on BTCS...
Then there´s Carlos Santana, but the track he played on basically sucked anyway so he couldn´t make much of a difference in any direction.

1. I want Alanis back.

2. Don't tell me you think Love of My Life sucks. Please.

[BigEyedFerg]

^I think he means Mother Father...which does indeed suck

[DerekJTR2]

Indeed.

[hughesman62781]

i'm excited for this myself just to see what tim brings to the table:)

[hobbesthecat]

***just a heads up guys, this is a fairly long, multi-quoted post.

This guy seems to know music and understand different sounds. Its kind of academic, but it sounds good. Seems like the artistry of Lillywhite combined with the business understanding of Ballard. Could be completely wrong, but I think its a fair compromise.
While I agree with you about Rob knowing a lot about music, bringing up the fact that he sees himself as sort of a music historian, and understanding different sounds like what RH did with the Kid A sessions...I do not agree with you on comparing Lillywhite's "artistry" with Rob's. I believe there was a post in the first couple of pages stating that fans think they can "bash" Cavallo just on his Wiki stats. Well, that overall sentiment of fans has some merit to when you hold up Steve's discography stats against Rob's, especially what Steve did in the 80's: basically all of U2's albums, Talking Heads, Peter Gabriel, Simple Minds...then Phish, DMB, Travis, Guster (Lost & Gone Forever which is the best album imo). All of these bands have come out with extremely solid albums under the helm of Lillywhite. On the flip side though fair play to Cavallo with Dizzy Up The Girl & American Idiot, with singles and good maybe great pop songs. Although when I compare those two sides Lillywhite's side/resume/albums he's produced have at the very least twice the substance of Cavallo's radio heavy hits albums. Maybe this is the direction wants to go into, but I for one would not be a fan if this is the case.

I think Tim being on the album is far more important than any producer they could have picked.
I agree with this very much so. From what I've read and seen, I feel that Dave steps up his game a bit whenver Tim is around, because honestly if he doesn't Tim will overshadow everything on the new album.

So? Just because a producer has done something like that in his past doesn't mean he's going to make his current band he's working with do that.

Did DMB sound anything like U2 when Lillywhite worked with them? Do you think current bands he's producing sound like DMB?

The albums produced by Lillywhite with U2 & DMB have FAR more substance, emotion, and depth than anything Cavallo has done imo.

No, but looking at a track record is definitely a good indication of what you're going to get in the future, just as it has been with the last couple of DMB producers.

First of all, U2, unlike the shit this Cavallo guy has worked with, is a really good band. Lillywhite had experience working with a talented group before and was a big player in helping U2 grow. Basically, I'd be MUCH more comfortable with someone who's worked with a U2, Radiohead, etc... than someone who's apparently never worked with a band that's worth two shits. It doesn't have to be the same style as DMB but it'd be a nice change of pace for them to hire a producer that's actually done something worth while.
:thumbsup I'd actually be more comfortable with a producer that has worked with a jam band like Phish or SCI before. A producer that is no where near the mainstream radio airwaves. Even though I liked what Cavallo had to say about his specific process...I really feel like the man is TOO corporate to produce anything remotely close to what Lillywhite had or the 90's dmb albums.

It matters if this guy has produced any good albums in the past - and I'm sorry, but Dookie and American idiot constitute shit albums.

This guy has not made good music before. He's not going to suddenly start with DMB.
I don't know if I would personally call though albums crap, I haven't listened to Dookie in years and only listened to a few of the AI songs...someone made a point that Cavallo has a produced a couple songs in which their length exceeded more than 5 minutes. This is promising so that maybe they can end the album with SH that is like an 8 minute version, finish the album the same way as BS a la ending it with Bartender.

Well the majority of humans have bad taste. And if you don't believe me, check out the billbaord top 200
I feel like the majority of people that listen and put the songs on BB's top 200 recieve their music via radio, which comes directly from corporate studios. Their "music universe" is what is spoon fed to them through mainstream radio unfortunately, they do not realize how much more diverse, deep, and wonderful other bands and sounds can be.

I don't think you can dismiss a producer for creating "hits." I mean to be fair Steve Lilywhite has probably produced more hits with U2 alone than Batson, Ballard, and Cavallo combined. It will come down to the band and the music ultimately and Tim certainly helps that mix. Cavallo will put his spin on it for sure but I think the fact that Tim is recording with them is the bigger and more relevant news...IMO.
except major hits by U2 vs Greenday are on two VERY different levels.

I expect nothing more than Everyday II.
If that's the case and they don't scrap SH and maybe put on an '04 song (which prbly won't happen) then maybe I'll be happy.

Couple things:

1) Cavallo is not a songwriter. He is a producer.
2) Regardless of your opinion on American Idiot (or Green Day), it WAS ambitious for the band, and had a couple of songs 10 minutes long. Green Day was essentially dead in the water and that album revived them, in a big way. I don't think there's anything to suggest Cavallo would tell DMB to condense Sugar Will into a four-minute pop song.
Again, as you said with Cavallo pulling out 10 minute songs from Green Day is probably the most important aspect about Rob producing the album. If GD can spit out a 10 minute song then this SHOULD be a no-brainer for dmb.

God, some of you really believe that Lillywhite is the only good music producer out there?

Come on, he was very important for DMB, but DMB already proved they can make great music without Lillywhite, and I have faith they will make more great music without Lillywhite.

Even post-2000 songs. Crazy Easy, Sugar Will, Shotgun... Those are what? Bad songs ? No way !

Even Everyday isn't as bad as some people here say...
DMB creating great songs is different than DMB putting great songs on an album and they need to start doing BOTH asap, instead of road testing songs FOR A YEAR and then basically scrapping 3 of them.

I just hope Cavallo goes back and checks one thing from previous DMB album gems:

Track length. On UTTAD, Crash and BTCS, the songs were long musical pieces. On the next three most the songs are three minutes.

If we can get back to 5-6 minute songs I'll be really happy. I think that's a sure sign the band is returning to old form.
From that 30 minute interview it sounds like Cavallo will do his homework, listen to some albums, and watch some live dvds...all we can do is hope.

There's a hiccup in the creative process with DMB, and I think everyone in the band knew that.
The hiccup in DMB's creative process came on two fronts. 1.) The band being a bunch a selfish babies, not wanting to be pushed by Lillywhite thus firing him and also hiring the pushover Batson for SU. 2.) Is everyone forgetting that this band COMPELTELY SOLD OUT by resigning with their label??? 90% of any blame that came out of ED & SU should be placed solely on the shoulders of the band. Also, the band complaining they were "rushed" for the SU album...hey geniuses, TAKE A FREAKING BREAK FROM TOURING once and a while and maybe when you're creating an album you won't create a pile of crap like SU.

I think my primary take away from Cavallo jumping on board is that DMB is too entwined into corporate music production to produce any quality album that will make me think, "Wow these guys are back in full force" Until I hear otherwise I'll try to keep my rants to a minimum, but for right now I have very, very little faith in them at all and it's a damn shame. As of right now the only reason why I would go to a summer concert at SPAC is for the tailgaiting and to hear older, solid, great songs.

[AFurth]

But if i hear as much as one trumpet/piggy squeal from the fat man, i´ll be knocking down a few doors demanding some answers.

Agreed. I may have to send in the heavy reinforcements if that happens:

:twenty4

[BigEyedFerg]

^ I think Rawshawn will be able to add a shitton to this album and I'm looking forward to DMB exploring the full potential for a trumpet within their music. I'm just hopin they don't drown out Roi :shrug

[ericvol]

On another note, what songs that DMB has written recently and that people believe will be on the new album (Shotgun, Loving Wings, Idea of You, 27, and Cornbread, ect....) do you all see Timmy being able to contribute on...???

[bphlzl]

^ I think Rawshawn will be able to add a shitton to this album and I'm looking forward to DMB exploring the full potential for a trumpet within their music. I'm just hopin they don't drown out Roi :shrug
They won't drown out Roi, hopefully just Butch.

[jsb10]

This is why this site blows it is like the anti Dave fan. Most of you idiots want the band to be what you want them to be, and thats never going to happen. the band is evolving into whatever the hell they want and if you dont like it in the words of dave "if you like it well good if not well oh im real sorry ". Truthfully the band could care two craps what you want them to be. If most of you are so caught up in how big the name of the producer is your retarted. Cavallo is an amazing producer Greenday is one of the greatest punk rock bands of all time. The album most likely will be amazing like the rest of their work. If you dont like it before you even hear it because of a producer than dont buy it dont go on tour the dmb community is probably better off without the negeativity of most of you morons anyway. Start listening to the music and appreciating it not consistantly bitch about it damn.

[bcpaul7]

I'm giving the guy a shot. It's an interesting choice, to say the least. But the one thing that I found interesting is that DMB has already finished pre-production, and is now starting recording.

That says to me, at least, that they aren't looking for a therapy session. This Cavallo isn't a songwriter, he is a producer. That, at least to me, is the major thing that separates him from Ballard and Batson. Not only did the Killer B's reshape DMB's sound, they wrote the songs that did it.

I'm holding off judgment until I hear something. Until then, the only thing I'll get absolutely fired up about is Tim's presence. There is NO WAY that is a bad thing at all. None.


If this is true than you would have to assume that they are going with songs that we have all heard on tours, which would be a step in the right direction, right?

Also, do we have to lump in Stand-up with Everyday? Are they universally considered to be equivalently bad? I think Everyday was a disappointment given what we knew of LWS at the time. Then pile on top that it was a pop/rock album spelled recipe for disaster among us ants. Stand-up is closer to their roots. Hello Again, Bayou, H4TGL were vintage DMB. Add in a rock producer with songs we are familiar with their overall direction and I think this album will be back ontrack with the Lillywhite days. Now if we had any impact on them including Crazy-Easy and Sweet Up & Down...Yahtzee!

[Matt McKibben]

This is why this site blows it is like the anti Dave fan. Most of you idiots want the band to be what you want them to be, and thats never going to happen. the band is evolving into whatever the hell they want and if you dont like it in the words of dave "if you like it well good if not well oh im real sorry ". Truthfully the band could care two craps what you want them to be. If most of you are so caught up in how big the name of the producer is your retarted. Cavallo is an amazing producer Greenday is one of the greatest punk rock bands of all time. The album most likely will be amazing like the rest of their work. If you dont like it before you even hear it because of a producer than dont buy it dont go on tour the dmb community is probably better off without the negeativity of most of you morons anyway. Start listening to the music and appreciating it not consistantly bitch about it damn.
I support this post.

I think you should take this post and start a new thread with it, see what the whole community thinks about it.

[prc314]

This is why this site blows it is like the anti Dave fan. Most of you idiots want the band to be what you want them to be, and thats never going to happen. the band is evolving into whatever the hell they want and if you dont like it in the words of dave "if you like it well good if not well oh im real sorry ". Truthfully the band could care two craps what you want them to be. If most of you are so caught up in how big the name of the producer is your retarted. Cavallo is an amazing producer Greenday is one of the greatest punk rock bands of all time. The album most likely will be amazing like the rest of their work. If you dont like it before you even hear it because of a producer than dont buy it dont go on tour the dmb community is probably better off without the negeativity of most of you morons anyway. Start listening to the music and appreciating it not consistantly bitch about it damn.

THIS MAN KNOWS WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT...way too much negativity going on here...

Here is how I look at it... if you are sitting here spending your time talking about this issue NONSTOP then one of two facts hold true:
1) you need a life OUTSIDE of the internet
2) you are a hardcore fan

If you fall into the latter category, then you and I both know you are going to buy the album, following them on tour for years to come, and slurp up everything they do anyway; so why don’t ya'll stop bitching, give the album a shot and just look forward to the 51 days of awesomeness which are about to take place!

[BeQuietAndDrive]

If this is true than you would have to assume that they are going with songs that we have all heard on tours, which would be a step in the right direction, right?

Also, do we have to lump in Stand-up with Everyday? Are they universally considered to be equivalently bad? I think Everyday was a disappointment given what we knew of LWS at the time. Then pile on top that it was a pop/rock album spelled recipe for disaster among us ants. Stand-up is closer to their roots. Hello Again, Bayou, H4TGL were vintage DMB. Add in a rock producer with songs we are familiar with their overall direction and I think this album will be back ontrack with the Lillywhite days. Now if we had any impact on them including Crazy-Easy and Sweet Up & Down...Yahtzee!

Going with all songs we've heard before isn't a step in the right direction, to me. It's lazy. They need a nice balance of the best road-tested stuff plus some of the best stuff we haven't heard yet.

And there is nothing, NOTHING "vintage" about Louisiana Bayou or Hunger. How in God's name are these songs vintage DMB?

[gorgefan36]

This is why this site blows it is like the anti Dave fan. Most of you idiots want the band to be what you want them to be, and thats never going to happen. the band is evolving into whatever the hell they want and if you dont like it in the words of dave "if you like it well good if not well oh im real sorry ". Truthfully the band could care two craps what you want them to be. If most of you are so caught up in how big the name of the producer is your retarted. Cavallo is an amazing producer Greenday is one of the greatest punk rock bands of all time. The album most likely will be amazing like the rest of their work. If you dont like it before you even hear it because of a producer than dont buy it dont go on tour the dmb community is probably better off without the negeativity of most of you morons anyway. Start listening to the music and appreciating it not consistantly bitch about it damn.

agreed!!! :thumbsup

[BigEyedFerg]

This is why this site blows it is like the anti Dave fan. Most of you idiots want the band to be what you want them to be, and thats never going to happen. the band is evolving into whatever the hell they want and if you dont like it in the words of dave "if you like it well good if not well oh im real sorry ". Truthfully the band could care two craps what you want them to be. If most of you are so caught up in how big the name of the producer is your retarted. Cavallo is an amazing producer Greenday is one of the greatest punk rock bands of all time. The album most likely will be amazing like the rest of their work. If you dont like it before you even hear it because of a producer than dont buy it dont go on tour the dmb community is probably better off without the negeativity of most of you morons anyway. Start listening to the music and appreciating it not consistantly bitch about it damn.


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:thumbsup

[HolyCow]

This is why this site blows it is like the anti Dave fan. Most of you idiots want the band to be what you want them to be, and thats never going to happen. the band is evolving into whatever the hell they want and if you dont like it in the words of dave "if you like it well good if not well oh im real sorry ". Truthfully the band could care two craps what you want them to be. If most of you are so caught up in how big the name of the producer is your retarted. Cavallo is an amazing producer Greenday is one of the greatest punk rock bands of all time. The album most likely will be amazing like the rest of their work. If you dont like it before you even hear it because of a producer than dont buy it dont go on tour the dmb community is probably better off without the negeativity of most of you morons anyway. Start listening to the music and appreciating it not consistantly bitch about it damn.
Amen. :thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup

To say this guy's resume is crappy is just ignorant of everything.

- Four Green Day albums (one winning a Grammy for best album).
- Two solid Goo Goo Dolls albums
- A Fleetwood Mac album (FLEETWOOD MAC!!!)
- I don't listen to them but evidently he did a good job with My Chemical Romance.
- And a slew of other work included the Rent soundtrack which sold a ton of copies worldwide.

They guy knows what he's doing. People are having trouble differentiating between bad producer and bad bands he may have worked with. Obviously the product on tape was good because the albums were critically acclaimed, sold and won awards. Just because you don't like the bands he worked with doesn't mean HIS work sucked.

[mikepalmer2005]

This is why this site blows it is like the anti Dave fan. Most of you idiots want the band to be what you want them to be, and thats never going to happen. the band is evolving into whatever the hell they want and if you dont like it in the words of dave "if you like it well good if not well oh im real sorry ". Truthfully the band could care two craps what you want them to be. If most of you are so caught up in how big the name of the producer is your retarted. Cavallo is an amazing producer Greenday is one of the greatest punk rock bands of all time. The album most likely will be amazing like the rest of their work. If you dont like it before you even hear it because of a producer than dont buy it dont go on tour the dmb community is probably better off without the negeativity of most of you morons anyway. Start listening to the music and appreciating it not consistantly bitch about it damn.

:thumbsup

[BigEyedFerg]

They guy knows what he's doing. People are having trouble differentiating between bad producer and bad bands he may have worked with. Obviously the product on tape was good because the albums were critically acclaimed, sold and won awards. Just because you don't like the bands he worked with doesn't mean HIS work sucked.

Hell yes man --- that's exactly the way I feel :cool And if he shits up the place, then bring on the bitchfest. But lets hope for the best and be happy as hell that Timmy is on board

[HolyCow]

Hell yes man --- that's exactly the way I feel :cool And if he shits up the place, then bring on the bitchfest. But lets hope for the best and be happy as hell that Timmy is on board
Right. Because we sure as heck know that he's not working with a bad band this time. :thumbsup

[Northerntube]

I remember going to see the John Scofield Band play at The Tralf in Buffalo once. His band included a dude who played rhythm guitar and *also* played some keybaords - mainly setting up loops for the band to play against.

I remember one of the guys I was with getting rather perturbed about this - why can't they have both a guitar player *and* a keyboard player? Why does he do both? Wouldn't it be better if they had both? Couldn't they play against each other? Is he a guitar player or a keyboard player? If they had a keyboard player then they wouldn;t have to have those loops. Why doesn;t the other guitar player solo rather than play rhythm? Etc etc.

And I thought, you know dude, it is what it is. And it was good - damn good. That band was awesome.

Isn't it tiring - or defeatist - to listen to a band but think "oh if only this was like this, it would be better"? Or "if that guy wasn't there then it would be just how I like it?". Or "if only they had this guest instead of this one, it would be better?". Or "if only they were playing that song instead of this one?" Isn't all that like creating an alternate reality - a fantasy instead of sppreciating what you have?!?

It must be a depressing way to see music, art, the world.

[BigEyedFerg]

Isn't it tiring - or defeatist - to listen to a band but think "oh if only this was like this, it would be better"? Or "if that guy wasn't there then it would be just how I like it?". Or "if only they had this guest instead of this one, it would be better?". Or "if only they were playing that song instead of this one?" Isn't all that like creating an alternate reality - a fantasy instead of sppreciating what you have?!?

It must be a depressing way to see music, art, the world.

That's deep, dude. :bounce

A certain Dave verse comes to mind: "Then complain and pray for more from above, ya greedy little pig"

[hobbesthecat]

I remember going to see the John Scofield Band play at The Tralf in Buffalo once. His band included a dude who played rhythm guitar and *also* played some keybaords - mainly setting up loops for the band to play against.

I remember one of the guys I was with getting rather perturbed about this - why can't they have both a guitar player *and* a keyboard player? Why does he do both? Wouldn't it be better if they had both? Couldn't they play against each other? Is he a guitar player or a keyboard player? If they had a keyboard player then they wouldn;t have to have those loops. Why doesn;t the other guitar player solo rather than play rhythm? Etc etc.

And I thought, you know dude, it is what it is. And it was good - damn good. That band was awesome.

Isn't it tiring - or defeatist - to listen to a band but think "oh if only this was like this, it would be better"? Or "if that guy wasn't there then it would be just how I like it?". Or "if only they had t