The Idea of You

[TheLastStop123]

In light of the most recent Ants podcast (Episode 10), the boys brought up the possibility of an album tour, and playing more album songs this summer tour.

Jake was saying he was afraid that the songs would be stale come album release. He also mentioned how the Idea of You has been consistently played for the past two years, and Jakes says "I've been to 3 shows and feel like I've heard the song 6 times."

This brought me to a question. Do you still care about the idea of you? Would you be mad if it wasn't on the album?

It's been played so long, it's almost like it doesn't even matter what happens with it, and no love will be lost if it doesn't make the album.

what do you guys think?

[mikepalmer2005]

i think it should be on the album simply because im sure many would love to hear a studio version, but since it has changed soooo much from the first time it was played, it is now worthless to me ( i LOVE the original version. the first time it was played is still my favorite one)

[keithb]

I still love to hear it. As for the song being on the album -- all I want is for the best possible collection of songs. Therefore, if they write a song better than The Idea of You, I'd rather have that song on the album. If they don't, then I'd rather have IOY on the album.

[ant_marching41]

I'd like to see it on the album. I'd love to have that crisp studio version of it.

I'm really looking forward to hearing the villette on the album, so theres another reason to have IOY on the album.

[rickyh24]

If this is going to be an all out album tour I really hope they push all of Stand up totally to the side.

[MistreatedLewis]

I really hate this song.

[rickyh24]

^ I'm not to big on it either. I don't think it would go over well at all as a single.

[sir iggius]

The song was fun when it was fresh and new in '06, but is now old and stale.

[GinaNMU]

I very much think that Idea of You sounds like elevator music. Honestly, not a fan.

[dre2142]

I dont like this song

[jason41]

The '06 versions are pretty solid as long as Dave's voice wasn't too rough, but they totally ruined it when they re-worked it for last years tour. I could care less if it's on the new album if it stays that way, but I think if it makes the album it has single potential.

[antsman41]

I think it will get Granny treatment... be always around live but never layed down on discs...

[onetwothree]

I like it whats not to like? good song, I like all of the new stuuff, I just hope all the new stuff makes the album and they don't pull an everyday and put stuff out we haven't heard.

[onemoredrink41]

I think it will be on a cd, dave say's it's one of his favorite songs..

it's one of the best ones I have heard from dmb in a while.

[spoot388]

I really liked this song when it first started, but now I skip over it half the time it comes on my ipod. It did get overplayed, which is unfortunate because its not a bad song. I think they could make it really good in the studio, but then that means its going to be played at every show for the album tour too. Everybody is going to be sick of it if they aren't already.

[superfan]

I really liked this song when it first started, but now I skip over it half the time it comes on my ipod. It did get overplayed, which is unfortunate because its not a bad song. I think they could make it really good in the studio, but then that means its going to be played at every show for the album tour too. Everybody is going to be sick of it if they aren't already.


I would love to hear this song live, never have heard it live, although I've only been to one DMB show, but hopefully it pops up for the tour again. People need to stop bitching about it being overplayed, would you rather have Everybody Wake Up appear in its place almost every night? I sure as hell don't want that to happen.

[RobRoy286]

I think it could sound sweet if the band doesn't forget about it. The early, clean versions sounds real nice and smooth, I love the guitar. If the band looks back to those versions, it could be good. However, I'm afraid they might just say "Eh, we've been playing it for two years, let's just throw it down and get out of here."

[spoot388]

I would love to hear this song live, never have heard it live, although I've only been to one DMB show, but hopefully it pops up for the tour again. People need to stop bitching about it being overplayed, would you rather have Everybody Wake Up appear in its place almost every night? I sure as hell don't want that to happen.



there are very few songs i'd want to hear at every show. i heard cornbread 3 times last year and while i like the song, i didnt like knowing that it was coming and it was just a matter of time before it was played.

[ShotgunDMB]

It needs better lyrics. Other than that, they should avoid killing it by playing it every show.

[emu513]

Horrible. Hurts my ears horrible.

[bradshaw06]

ill pass on it

[LowEnd_Theory]

No thanks.

[bubba40]

I'd love to see Idea of You, Cornbread, and Eh Hee completely scrapped and never played again.

[Branty]

I hope The Idea of You is on the album even if people have heard a lot of it recently because hopefully the album will be something you listen to long term and it has a long life (eg BTCS) and so it might not be flavour of the month now, but will be one that sounds great later on.
Is there a limit to how many songs they are going to put on the album? I mean if 'The Idea of You' goes on it doesn't mean something else won't make it will it?

[born 1991]

I hope The Idea of You is on the album even if people have heard a lot of it recently because hopefully the album will be something you listen to long term and it has a long life (eg BTCS) and so it might not be flavour of the month now, but will be one that sounds great later on.
Is there a limit to how many songs they are going to put on the album? I mean if 'The Idea of You' goes on it doesn't mean something else won't make it will it?

That's up to the band. They can have however many songs they want on the album.

I hope IOY is on the album. It'll be a hit among noobs like me who haven't heard it a lot... even though that doesn't really count for anything.

[bibby1044]

I'd love to see Idea of You, Cornbread, and Eh Hee completely scrapped and never played again.
I would agree with you but now that Barnes has been in there with them, Barnes and Tim could make Cornbread awesome, but i wouldnt mind it if all 3 were gone.

[Branty]

That's up to the band. They can have however many songs they want on the album.

I hope IOY is on the album. It'll be a hit among noobs like me who haven't heard it a lot... even though that doesn't really count for anything.

Thanks. I just thought I better check.

Yeah I like the Idea of You, but I also have not heard it a great deal so ...

[fallbackagain40]

The Idea Of You is complete shit IMO. It's a radio hit that wouldn't even make the cut for the album Everday. Each time I hear this song, I dislike and lose respect for it even more.

[amoore624426]

It's gotta be the first single so of course they are going to play it alot. I believe this song will sell alot of albums for dmb. Think of it like this, the new producer helped Goo Goo Dolls with Dizzy Up The Girl and the idea of you is a song you could hear the Goo Goo Dolls writing so maybe this guy could really help them with that.

[fallbackagain40]

It's gotta be the first single so of course they are going to play it alot. I believe this song will sell alot of albums for dmb. Think of it like this, the new producer helped Goo Goo Dolls with Dizzy Up The Girl and the idea of you is a song you could hear the Goo Goo Dolls writing so maybe this guy could really help them with that.

The Idea Of You is everything I don't want this band to be! Basically, it's got BATSON written all over it.

[awsomepath]

i no likey!

[amoore624426]

The Idea Of You is everything I don't want this band to be! Basically, it's got BATSON written all over it.

I don't think so at all and all my friends that don't listen to dmb that much really really love that song. It has great potential for the album and the sales of the album.

[fallbackagain40]

It just doesn't work for me. It seems much too forced in the chorus and it doesn't have a full sound quality. I don't like the lyrical message in the song either. Very cheesy

[amoore624426]

Yeah, sometimes you eat the bar and well, sometimes he eats you.

[fallbackagain40]

Well, when in Rome...

[MGH4007]

id rather it stay off the album

[amoore624426]

id rather it stay off the album

Ha, it's 100% on the album.

[majestic]

I really hate this song.


^this one

[bibby1044]

Ha, it's 100% on the album.
Just hopefully not with the shitty lyrics and the horrible chorus drumming.

[markbaggs]

The Idea of You was overplayed 2 summers ago, and probably last summer too. That being said, I'd still like to hear this on the album. Cornbread and Eh Hee, I don't need to hear (maybe ever) on an album. Shotgun and #27 should be on there, and Can't Stop should never be played again...

[Strangely Brown]

I finally figured it out about how I feel about IOY.

I remember when The Greateful Dead released Built to Last and the music on Built to Last is how I feel about IOY.

There were not message boards around back then and no one really cared about any studio albums The Dead were putting out...but everyone basically agreed the songs were not too great. Foolish Heart's cool but even that is too poppy.

The title song Build to Last that they put out reminds me of IOY. Its an ok song but not anywhere close to any of the older DMB sonds we have been listening too for 14 years.

[bibby1044]

The Idea of You was overplayed 2 summers ago, and probably last summer too. That being said, I'd still like to hear this on the album. Cornbread and Eh Hee, I don't need to hear (maybe ever) on an album. Shotgun and #27 should be on there, and Can't Stop should never be played again...
I agree about Cornbread and Eh Hee, I wouldnt be dissapointed if they were left off. I dont need IOY either but with some studio work it could become much better, but Shotgun and #27 should be locks.

I really hope that rumor was true about Dave's new favorite song being Shotgun and that it supposedly was a drawn out version just like tLWS Bartender, but cant believe everything you hear but that would be amazing.

The only three songs I really want on the album is those 2, Loving Wings and maybe just maybe ADSR but other than that I would like all new material and I would welcome a SUAD or the 04's but I dont see that happening.

[pdoseven]

I think it's pretty bland.

[dmbmuskie]

It was played to death.

I think even the most cynical of us liked it at the beginning of 06.

[fallbackagain40]

I agree about Cornbread and Eh Hee, I wouldnt be dissapointed if they were left off. I dont need IOY either but with some studio work it could become much better, but Shotgun and #27 should be locks.

I really hope that rumor was true about Dave's new favorite song being Shotgun and that it supposedly was a drawn out version just like tLWS Bartender, but cant believe everything you hear but that would be amazing.

The only three songs I really want on the album is those 2, Loving Wings and maybe just maybe ADSR but other than that I would like all new material and I would welcome a SUAD or the 04's but I dont see that happening.

Where did you hear that? That might bring tears to my eyes if that's true.

[patricksinger6]

I agree about Cornbread and Eh Hee, I wouldnt be dissapointed if they were left off. I dont need IOY either but with some studio work it could become much better, but Shotgun and #27 should be locks.

I really hope that rumor was true about Dave's new favorite song being Shotgun and that it supposedly was a drawn out version just like tLWS Bartender, but cant believe everything you hear but that would be amazing.

The only three songs I really want on the album is those 2, Loving Wings and maybe just maybe ADSR but other than that I would like all new material and I would welcome a SUAD or the 04's but I dont see that happening.

that would be very good news

[bibby1044]

Where did you hear that? That might bring tears to my eyes if that's true.

that would be very good news
It was part of the conversation the guy had from TDC with his source, I know you cant trust everything you hear but he said Dave wanted Shotgun to be the staple of the new album being his new favorite song and its very long and drawn out like the LWS Bartender, but of course that was from TDC so take it for what its worth.

[born 1991]

It was part of the conversation the guy had from TDC with his source, I know you cant trust everything you hear but he said Dave wanted Shotgun to be the staple of the new album being his new favorite song and its very long and drawn out like the LWS Bartender, but of course that was from TDC so take it for what its worth.

I hope, if what you say is true of course, Dave brings back the 06 lyrics and reworks them. That'll make for one good Shotgun.

[lestat1600]

i like the song but if its not on the new album no big deal. even though its been played alot i dont think means anything though. if im not mistaken there are other songs out there in dmb land that was played alot for a few and still has yet to be on a studio album:D

[Josh Geercken]

i was listening to it today and i thought this too, it doesn't even seem new because i've heard it so much, i'd like to see it on the album but i wouldn't mind them playing a little less this tour

[DustyKeys70]

Seen it 6 times... i agree that it doesn't seem new anymore, but it will be on the album... I would rather see that spot given to a new song or a 2004 song (sugar will, crazy easy) but I doubt it...

[manninta]

it is better than almost everything on Stand Up. I also think people will be very surprised and happy with how the 'tiny guitar' sounds in the studio. It has a classic Dave riff with great fills from Roi and Carter, and Tim will definitely add to the chorus. I hope this makes the album and is a the 2nd or 3rd single - I would rather have a new song the gets the fanbase going as the first single. Something similar to Too Much, Tripping Billies, Grey Street, DDTW, WWYS, etc. An up tempo song that would apeal to the masses.

[Heavy As Stone]

Dave likes young pussy.

[amoore624426]

Dave likes young pussy.

Zoinks.

[onetwothree]

I like the song and want it on the album.

[dancingfire75]

I like the song and want it on the album.

i second that, its just so catchy

[Empyrean421]

"Just to let you all know... I loooooooooooove that song!"

[LeftyDv]

I think the Idea of You is a good song... and I would rather hear it over any "new song" other than Shotgun. It was overplayed, sure. But we always complain how the band doesn't "road test" songs. Yet when they do, continually, it's seen as being overplayed. I guess my opinion is you can't have it both ways.

[DirtyDeeds449]

Solid song, overplayed but solid.

[MiniRay]

I really dislike Carters drumming in the 07 choruses.
But I'm quite sure it's gonna be on the album, even though I wouldn't mind if it wasn't.

[Qlec]

It's a great song !
I'd like it to be on the next album, just as Cornbread and Eh hee. I'd love to hear it with "organised" lyrics. I think that the LT10 version is very decent, Carter's fill at 3:20 is amazing ! Simple, but sounds perfect. I haven't heard many versions so I can be wrong about the LT10 being the best, but still it sound fine to me. About Cornbread and Eh hee, they are my favourite songs lately, I think that musically Piedmont Park versions can be put on album, but with the "Radio City" lyrics :)
it's going to be a great album :)

[jiggajm18]

i'm sorry but eh-hee full band is a flat-out disaster. it sounds like it should be on Stand Up.

[Qlec]

Well, I can't say for sure, because on Piedmont Park I haven't heard Dave's guitar and Carter's background vocals, but i like the whole concept of hip-hop sounding song. Maybe after a good mixing it'd be good ... I believe in that because i really like this song :)

[Miccius]

I love this song. But I liked it better before Carter changed the chorus drum part. That original part was so tight. :bounce

[navy88]

i'm sorry but eh-hee full band is a flat-out disaster. it sounds like it should be on Stand Up.

I totally agree with this. I think the song is much better suited to a solo effort.

As for IOU, I'm still kind of torn as to whether or not I want it on the album. It is by no means a bad song, and parts of it are really interesting to me, but on a whole it kind of falls flat. I hope if it does end up on the album it gets a bit of a facelift, because it has the potential to be a really good song.

[Miccius]

I totally agree with this. I think the song is much better suited to a solo effort.

As for IOU, I'm still kind of torn as to whether or not I want it on the album. It is by no means a bad song, and parts of it are really interesting to me, but on a whole it kind of falls flat. I hope if it does end up on the album it gets a bit of a facelift, because it has the potential to be a really good song.

The song is developed to a point that I don't know if they could change too much to it. I just wish Carter would go back to his original chorus drum part instead of the looped beat he plays now.

[TobiasClown]

i don't like the new drumming, but i want this on the album because i think it could really sound great in the studio with some fills by tim and the tiny guitar should sound awesome

[BigEyedFerg]

Dave wanted Shotgun to be the staple of the new album being his new favorite song

Sugar Will was also supposedly his "favorite song" :BANG

I enjoy IOY, but I agree it's overplayed. I'd rather it not be on the album, but I'd guess it has an extremely good chance of being there, so we'll just have to deal with it

[bibby1044]

Sugar Will was also supposedly his "favorite song" :BANG

I enjoy IOY, but I agree it's overplayed. I'd rather it not be on the album, but I'd guess it has an extremely good chance of being there, so we'll just have to deal with it
Yeah it was but this album is different, Tim and the choice of producer prove it. They wont just throw out a great song again, and Im starting to think Sugar Will has a good shot, just a gut feeling.

[Malaguy]

i like IOY alot, and yes it's been played alot the last two years, and i also hate the changed up drumming in the chorus, but i'd like to see it on the album. i don't know how i'd feel if it were the lead single though.

[Stabn]

I love this song. But I liked it better before Carter changed the chorus drum part. That original part was so tight. :bounce

:thumbsup You're so right. I never thought I could possibly hate anything that Carter plays but the new snare drum pattern in the chorus is just terrible. Ruins the whole song for me.

[Minxsie]

I'm pretty sure "Idea of You" has been my piss break song during the last two years at Deer Creek.

That being said, I fell in love with the song about two or three months ago and I haven't been that excited about the new songs they've been playing! I really love the lyric, "I stumble in front of you and your cool friends. You pick me up, you brush me off, I grin.. but I wanna disappear. One day you're gonna fall for me babe, and that's day's gonna come, oh, and I'm not gonna brush you off no way." It varies from show to show, but I think it's so beautiful and sweet.

I really like 27 also. I really want studio versions of both!!

[kjam1988]

Anyone else think Idea of You will not be on the album?

If you look inside the Fenway Park LT6 it says IDEA OF YOU - Written by Dave Matthews and Mark Batson.

Dave can't just throw out Batson and say it was just him now...since Batson is dead I think Idea of You is dead also.

[thestand]

Sugar Will was also supposedly his "favorite song" :BANG
And still is. Just because it didn't make it to the album doesn't mean it's dead. There was a group agreement that it didn't fit the feel of the album, that it was too "big" for the album.

Anyone else think Idea of You will not be on the album?

If you look inside the Fenway Park LT6 it says IDEA OF YOU - Written by Dave Matthews and Mark Batson.

Dave can't just throw out Batson and say it was just him now...since Batson is dead I think Idea of You is dead also.I'm not saying that I don't agree with your idea that IOU might be dead, but I wouldn't say it was with your reasoning. If that was true, than kiss Shotgun goodbye as well.

Remember how the process worked with Batson- the band and him sat around and wrote things, and then recorded. Batson got his name on everything that came out of that studio when he was in their; that's just how they agreed it would work. What I'm saying is Batson's involvement in IOU was a little different than it was in, say, Bayou. I wouldn't use Batson as a reason for IOU being gone. Batson is still close friends with the band, and you'll see him at every Southern California show. It's not like there was a bad split with the band. They absolutely loved working with him, and they loved the music that came out of the sessions. But now looking back, they know it wasn't the healthiest relationship, musically. But that doesn't mean they won't keep the music that came out of there.

[kjam1988]

Very interesting. What is the reason you think IOU might be dead?

[MistreatedLewis]

And still is. Just because it didn't make it to the album doesn't mean it's dead. There was a group agreement that it didn't fit the feel of the album, that it was too "big" for the album.

I'm not saying that I don't agree with your idea that IOU might be dead, but I wouldn't say it was with your reasoning. If that was true, than kiss Shotgun goodbye as well.

Remember how the process worked with Batson- the band and him sat around and wrote things, and then recorded. Batson got his name on everything that came out of that studio when he was in their; that's just how they agreed it would work. What I'm saying is Batson's involvement in IOU was a little different than it was in, say, Bayou. I wouldn't use Batson as a reason for IOU being gone. Batson is still close friends with the band, and you'll see him at every Southern California show. It's not like there was a bad split with the band. They absolutely loved working with him, and they loved the music that came out of the sessions. But now looking back, they know it wasn't the healthiest relationship, musically. But that doesn't mean they won't keep the music that came out of there.

Has their taste in music really become so awful that they love the music that came out of that session?

Geez, I underestimate the badness of DMB's current taste I guess. More evidence not to be optimistic for the upcoming album. The music was BAD any way you slice it, and a talented musician that has produced stuff as great as they have should KNOW that.

[thestand]

Very interesting. What is the reason you think IOU might be dead?They're writing more music than I thought they were going to, going in. Or so it sounds. I mean, I personally really dislike IOU, so maybe it's just that talking. :lol

Has their taste in music really become so awful that they love the music that came out of that session?

Geez, I underestimate the badness of DMB's current taste I guess. More evidence not to be optimistic for the upcoming album. The music was BAD any way you slice it, and a talented musician that has produced stuff as great as they have should KNOW that.They still like Ants, Nancies, Dreaming Tree, Warehouse, Seek Up, Crush, The Stone, Rhyme, and everything else from 91-2000. But they're not going to disown a year of their life that was extremely fun and healthy for them. Trust me, they were really effected by the fan reaction to the album and the 2005 tour. They were having a ton of fun touring music that they liked making, but they knew the general consensus on the album. Just to give credit, I had known some of this second-hand, but recently gemma on TDC has posted on this a little more in-depth, confirming what I had been saying.

What I'm saying is you have to be able to seperate the eras. They were drained coming into the studio after 04, and did not want to be pushed. Meaning Batson was probably the best fit for them at the time. Then they were excited to tour this music they had had a lot of fun making in 2005, and were really disappointed when people didn't like it. They wanted to take time off, but were required to do the winter tour. So they vamped up for 06 with some new songs, but were just dead about 2/3 of the way through. 2007 really was a turning point for them. They went into the tour in a very back-to-basics way of looking at things, and were in the mindset of creating music, not creating fun.

I was talking to Jared (kydmb) a few weeks ago about 07. Now, it wasn't my favorite tour ever, but I hadn't listened to the show in a few months. So I popped in a few shows, and realized what was going on: they were actually being creative. For the first time in a long time. The LIOG reprise is something fans have been asking for for years; the whole Typical jam thing, changing ASTB, writing a song in the middle of the tour (ADSR), playing a couple Dave solo songs as the band (Eh Hee and Some Devil), the Chocolate Rain interpolation in Dreaming Tree, etc. etc. Actually, the story behind that last one is the band's current mindset in a nutshell. They were sitting around before a show, watching the Chocolate Rain video on a laptop. A few of the guys found it hilarious, and Roi & Rashawn decided to put it into Dreaming Tree that night. That's another big thing: the band is really enjoying being together again. I mean, that's not to suggest they've ever NOT enjoyed being together, but it's been a few years since it's been at this level. They were going out to dinner together, going to baseball games together, doing stuff after shows together.

I know I'm sounding like a DMB yes-man, but I was disappointed with Stand Up. I don't hate it, and I don't think it's the worst thing ever to happen to them. I just want you to know that they can both retroactively enjoy what they did in 2005, and be in a different place now. They aren't mutually exclusive. Now, as I've said before, I don't have any means of knowing what's going on in Seattle right now, unless it's third-handed. But I do know what the band was thinking going in. And it's radically different from 2005/2006. Whether that transfers into a better album, we'll see in a few months.

[MistreatedLewis]

They're writing more music than I thought they were going to, going in. Or so it sounds. I mean, I personally really dislike IOU, so maybe it's just that talking. :lol

They still like Ants, Nancies, Dreaming Tree, Warehouse, Seek Up, Crush, The Stone, Rhyme, and everything else from 91-2000. But they're not going to disown a year of their life that was extremely fun and healthy for them. Trust me, they were really effected by the fan reaction to the album and the 2005 tour. They were having a ton of fun touring music that they liked making, but they knew the general consensus on the album. Just to give credit, I had known some of this second-hand, but recently gemma on TDC has posted on this a little more in-depth, confirming what I had been saying.

What I'm saying is you have to be able to seperate the eras. They were drained coming into the studio after 04, and did not want to be pushed. Meaning Batson was probably the best fit for them at the time. Then they were excited to tour this music they had had a lot of fun making in 2005, and were really disappointed when people didn't like it. They wanted to take time off, but were required to do the winter tour. So they vamped up for 06 with some new songs, but were just dead about 2/3 of the way through. 2007 really was a turning point for them. They went into the tour in a very back-to-basics way of looking at things, and were in the mindset of creating music, not creating fun.

I was talking to Jared (kydmb) a few weeks ago about 07. Now, it wasn't my favorite tour ever, but I hadn't listened to the show in a few months. So I popped in a few shows, and realized what was going on: they were actually being creative. For the first time in a long time. The LIOG reprise is something fans have been asking for for years; the whole Typical jam thing, changing ASTB, writing a song in the middle of the tour (ADSR), playing a couple Dave solo songs as the band (Eh Hee and Some Devil), the Chocolate Rain interpolation in Dreaming Tree, etc. etc. Actually, the story behind that last one is the band's current mindset in a nutshell. They were sitting around before a show, watching the Chocolate Rain video on a laptop. A few of the guys found it hilarious, and Roi & Rashawn decided to put it into Dreaming Tree that night. That's another big thing: the band is really enjoying being together again. I mean, that's not to suggest they've ever NOT enjoyed being together, but it's been a few years since it's been at this level. They were going out to dinner together, going to baseball games together, doing stuff after shows together.

I know I'm sounding like a DMB yes-man, but I was disappointed with Stand Up. I don't hate it, and I don't think it's the worst thing ever to happen to them. I just want you to know that they can both retroactively enjoy what they did in 2005, and be in a different place now. They aren't mutually exclusive. Now, as I've said before, I don't have any means of knowing what's going on in Seattle right now, unless it's third-handed. But I do know what the band was thinking going in. And it's radically different from 2005/2006. Whether that transfers into a better album, we'll see in a few months.


I get what you're saying Brendan. But what scares me is that you keep saying that they are aware of "how the fans" received Stand Up, which still leads me to believe that they don't truly understand hwo *bad* the music is, despite how much fun they had making it and touring it. I mean, I'm sure Nickleback loves touring their new songs too! It scares me that they don't look back at those songs and be like, "Yeah, wow, that was fun but there is no THERE there. That was fun, but it's bad music" rather than saying "Oh, the FANS didn't like it."

[MistreatedLewis]

And, in my mind, Stand Up was generally recieved positively by the fanbase anyway. Unfortunately.

[thestand]

You'd probably be surprised by which part of the fanbase they listen to. They know the general opinion of people who go to multiple shows each year, and how they reacted to it.

[fallbackagain40]

They're writing more music than I thought they were going to, going in. Or so it sounds. I mean, I personally really dislike IOU, so maybe it's just that talking. :lol

They still like Ants, Nancies, Dreaming Tree, Warehouse, Seek Up, Crush, The Stone, Rhyme, and everything else from 91-2000. But they're not going to disown a year of their life that was extremely fun and healthy for them. Trust me, they were really effected by the fan reaction to the album and the 2005 tour. They were having a ton of fun touring music that they liked making, but they knew the general consensus on the album. Just to give credit, I had known some of this second-hand, but recently gemma on TDC has posted on this a little more in-depth, confirming what I had been saying.

What I'm saying is you have to be able to seperate the eras. They were drained coming into the studio after 04, and did not want to be pushed. Meaning Batson was probably the best fit for them at the time. Then they were excited to tour this music they had had a lot of fun making in 2005, and were really disappointed when people didn't like it. They wanted to take time off, but were required to do the winter tour. So they vamped up for 06 with some new songs, but were just dead about 2/3 of the way through. 2007 really was a turning point for them. They went into the tour in a very back-to-basics way of looking at things, and were in the mindset of creating music, not creating fun.

I was talking to Jared (kydmb) a few weeks ago about 07. Now, it wasn't my favorite tour ever, but I hadn't listened to the show in a few months. So I popped in a few shows, and realized what was going on: they were actually being creative. For the first time in a long time. The LIOG reprise is something fans have been asking for for years; the whole Typical jam thing, changing ASTB, writing a song in the middle of the tour (ADSR), playing a couple Dave solo songs as the band (Eh Hee and Some Devil), the Chocolate Rain interpolation in Dreaming Tree, etc. etc. Actually, the story behind that last one is the band's current mindset in a nutshell. They were sitting around before a show, watching the Chocolate Rain video on a laptop. A few of the guys found it hilarious, and Roi & Rashawn decided to put it into Dreaming Tree that night. That's another big thing: the band is really enjoying being together again. I mean, that's not to suggest they've ever NOT enjoyed being together, but it's been a few years since it's been at this level. They were going out to dinner together, going to baseball games together, doing stuff after shows together.

I know I'm sounding like a DMB yes-man, but I was disappointed with Stand Up. I don't hate it, and I don't think it's the worst thing ever to happen to them. I just want you to know that they can both retroactively enjoy what they did in 2005, and be in a different place now. They aren't mutually exclusive. Now, as I've said before, I don't have any means of knowing what's going on in Seattle right now, unless it's third-handed. But I do know what the band was thinking going in. And it's radically different from 2005/2006. Whether that transfers into a better album, we'll see in a few months.

Very well put Brendan. You always give us quality posts. Could you maybe give a link to the TDC thread that mentions this?

[PantalaNagaMan]

And, in my mind, Stand Up was generally recieved positively by the fanbase anyway. Unfortunately.

Brian - in a nutshell; the band knows a lot of us feel Stand Up is not at all the level of music they are capable of making - and they are trying everything they can to appease to us again yet have fun doing it.

All in all, things seem to be good all around.

[MistreatedLewis]

You'd probably be surprised by which part of the fanbase they listen to. They know the general opinion of people who go to multiple shows each year, and how they reacted to it.

You mean the people that keep telling me to stop bitching because ABI is teh awesomez?

[MistreatedLewis]

Brian - in a nutshell; the band knows a lot of us feel Stand Up is not at all the level of music they are capable of making - and they are trying everything they can to appease to us again yet have fun doing it.

All in all, things seem to be good all around.

I don't want to be appeased - I want them to feel SU is embarassing when it comes to things they are capable of. I want them to get that.

[crashintonickdm]

They're writing more music than I thought they were going to, going in. Or so it sounds. I mean, I personally really dislike IOU, so maybe it's just that talking. :lol

They still like Ants, Nancies, Dreaming Tree, Warehouse, Seek Up, Crush, The Stone, Rhyme, and everything else from 91-2000. But they're not going to disown a year of their life that was extremely fun and healthy for them. Trust me, they were really effected by the fan reaction to the album and the 2005 tour. They were having a ton of fun touring music that they liked making, but they knew the general consensus on the album. Just to give credit, I had known some of this second-hand, but recently gemma on TDC has posted on this a little more in-depth, confirming what I had been saying.

What I'm saying is you have to be able to seperate the eras. They were drained coming into the studio after 04, and did not want to be pushed. Meaning Batson was probably the best fit for them at the time. Then they were excited to tour this music they had had a lot of fun making in 2005, and were really disappointed when people didn't like it. They wanted to take time off, but were required to do the winter tour. So they vamped up for 06 with some new songs, but were just dead about 2/3 of the way through. 2007 really was a turning point for them. They went into the tour in a very back-to-basics way of looking at things, and were in the mindset of creating music, not creating fun.

I was talking to Jared (kydmb) a few weeks ago about 07. Now, it wasn't my favorite tour ever, but I hadn't listened to the show in a few months. So I popped in a few shows, and realized what was going on: they were actually being creative. For the first time in a long time. The LIOG reprise is something fans have been asking for for years; the whole Typical jam thing, changing ASTB, writing a song in the middle of the tour (ADSR), playing a couple Dave solo songs as the band (Eh Hee and Some Devil), the Chocolate Rain interpolation in Dreaming Tree, etc. etc. Actually, the story behind that last one is the band's current mindset in a nutshell. They were sitting around before a show, watching the Chocolate Rain video on a laptop. A few of the guys found it hilarious, and Roi & Rashawn decided to put it into Dreaming Tree that night. That's another big thing: the band is really enjoying being together again. I mean, that's not to suggest they've ever NOT enjoyed being together, but it's been a few years since it's been at this level. They were going out to dinner together, going to baseball games together, doing stuff after shows together.

I know I'm sounding like a DMB yes-man, but I was disappointed with Stand Up. I don't hate it, and I don't think it's the worst thing ever to happen to them. I just want you to know that they can both retroactively enjoy what they did in 2005, and be in a different place now. They aren't mutually exclusive. Now, as I've said before, I don't have any means of knowing what's going on in Seattle right now, unless it's third-handed. But I do know what the band was thinking going in. And it's radically different from 2005/2006. Whether that transfers into a better album, we'll see in a few months.

i know me and you have knocked heads on here before, but man that was a great post. happy easter bro. :::hands you a brewski

[fallbackagain40]

Very well put Brendan. You always give us quality posts. Could you maybe give a link to the TDC thread that mentions this?

Nevermind I found it. http://thesedayscontinue.org/showthread.php?t=198480&page=164