Info Comes in... let's keep updated, realistic track list predictions here

[warehouseguy]

teeing it up:

New CD (No Clue on Title, yet)*

1 NEW SONG (small guitar, Tim)
2 Cornbread (w/ Barnes, Tim)
3 The Idea of You
4 NEW SONG
5 NEW SONG (Baritone? Pulling from S.Check on Myspace Vid IV, with Tim layering)
6 #27 (Tim w/ slide guitar)
7 NEW SONG
8 NEW SONG
9 Dream So Real
10 NEW SONG (baritone, using riff from Some Devil intro from Radio City?)
11 NEW SONG (small guitar, maybe Gravedigger Intro 2007)
12 Shotgun

B-sides/Bonus Disc
1 Eh Hee (full band + Tim, Barnes)
2 Sweet Up & Down
3 Loving Wings
---
4 The Stone (with Danny Barnes)
5 If I Had It All (West Palm Beach show)
6 #41 (John Mayer), from Va. Tech show
7 American Baby Intro → (10.2.07)
8 Grey Street (10.2.07)

*all tracks w/ Rashawn Ross, Butch Taylor

additional comments:
-Other possible tracks not included: Round and Round, Sister (but more likely for next solo album)
-Don't see the '04 Songs (judging from Matt/Jake's comments); and don't see Can't Stop, Break Free, Kill the King, Run While We Can (Vegas S.C.) (expect a greater break from the Stand Up sessions, and also these haven't really been played in some time)
-Other jams that I would like to see revisted: Prelude to Grace, Gas Into the Fire, SBC Soundcheck '05
- Eh Hee, Loving WIngs, Sweet Up & Down in b-sides b/c Eh Hee was already released as a single, Dave solo; and the other two were tested in November, but I don't know, b/c they are much older, then band might say they don't fit with the new sessions....
-the live bonus tracks would probably include versions of new songs, but thought we should have versions of these songs at some point!
- I see 5-7 songs we've heard, plus 5-6 new songs (with some baritone, small guitar showing up)


keep 'em coming in....

[BruceW]

i like that...i like it a lot

[kyledmb]

what is myspace vid iv?

[warehouseguy]

what is myspace vid iv?

check out their myspace vids from the summer on their profile page... its in the background playing... noodling, mostly but could be a nice quiet track

[warehouseguy]

can we sticky this thread?

[sdaltons]

that would be pretty solid

though i do still want studio sugar will

[warehouseguy]

that would be pretty solid

though i do still want studio sugar will

agreed, as well as crazy-easy, but i just dont see it...

[Heavy As Stone]

This may sound like a dumb question, but for those of us who don't know, where does this info come from?

[warehouseguy]

This may sound like a dumb question, but for those of us who don't know, where does this info come from?

some from jake, some from news articles, and right now the guy that got us the Vegas soundcheck has been leaking minor, vague info from the studio on TDC... again not confirmed, but seems like a reasonable source, especially given past history, and unwillingness to give strong details... yes, ive been on boards long enough to see enough rumors come/go... but he has been good for it in the past...

[ZackR]

Looks decent to me. :)

As for bonus live material, I'd really like that ABI->Grey Street.

[warehouseguy]

Looks decent to me. :)

As for bonus live material, I'd really like that ABI->Grey Street.

that was such a cool move on the band's part... unexpected, and why I love this band...

[dmbfan4ever]

some from jake, some from news articles, and right now the guy that got us the Vegas soundcheck has been leaking minor, vague info from the studio on TDC... again not confirmed, but seems like a reasonable source, especially given past history, and unwillingness to give strong details... yes, ive been on boards long enough to see enough rumors come/go... but he has been good for it in the past...
what studio information did you get from TDC?

[warehouseguy]

check moses's postings in their studio §; he doesn't post often, but his info seems on target, not just bullshit guesses, etc....

How about some more track predictions?

[warehouseguy]

Here are some of his posts since the boys went into the studio:



heard they got 2-3 new tunes out of the last two weeks. daves playing the heck out of that little guitar too.


no news as of late. today was a mellow day. no producer. few friends just hanging out says the little birdy


danny barnes in studio
happened already, not probable, fact.



12:16 am last night, in the control room working on another song. This seems to be a mellower one than last nights. Early stages though so we'll see where it goes.


Update from studio...
Just working on a song from yesterday most of the day today.



Yo guys.
The band went late jaming last night. Everythings good so far.

on 3/4
band started day 1 about an hour ago.

yes they are at litho

[warehouseguy]

i posted above those moses posts, for those interested...

[warehouseguy]

i posted above those moses posts, for those interested...

[koscht]

i really wish hed limit that little guitar and stick to the taylor

[koscht]

thanks for the info by the way, keep it comin

[warehouseguy]

will definitely keep the information flowing (again, don't flame me, it seems legit and he's cautious enough w/ what he's giving, and based on his past reliability regarding the Vegas soundcheck (hell, he even supplied the video), i'd say he's good for his word compared to past assholes w/ their rumors)...

I like the little guitar, as long as every song isn't using it... kind of like busted stuff w/ the 12-string....

it mixes it up, but not as jarringly so as Everyday w/ the electric for the first time...

[dre2142]

I feel bad for Break Free.....I want to see that hit the album.

[warehouseguy]

I feel bad for Break Free.....I want to see that hit the album.

Yeah, me too... but really didn't like the lyrics on this one...

Although like Sugar Will, the end jam is a lot of fun.

[dmbphan041]

way too much time on your hands. cool though.

[Rockyall107]

Sticky!

[koscht]

of all the songs that apparently are dead, the only two that really bother me are crazy easy and good good time

[drummerdmbfan]

pardon the ignorance...

but what's "TDC"?

[bubba40]

will definitely keep the information flowing (again, don't flame me, it seems legit and he's cautious enough w/ what he's giving, and based on his past reliability regarding the Vegas soundcheck (hell, he even supplied the video), i'd say he's good for his word compared to past assholes w/ their rumors)...

I like the little guitar, as long as every song isn't using it... kind of like busted stuff w/ the 12-string....

it mixes it up, but not as jarringly so as Everyday w/ the electric for the first time...

Any info on songs from past years that are being worked on?

From one DCer to another, much thanks for the info!:)

[bubba40]

pardon the ignorance...

but what's "TDC"?

Thesedayscontinue, a DMB fansite not unlike our own.

[drummerdmbfan]

thank you! much appreciated

[kyledmb]

hey where is this TDC website? Do you have a url?

[bubba40]

thank you! much appreciated

hey where is this TDC website? Do you have a url?

Careful with it though. In my experience, a fair number of bullshit rumors (Lillywhite returning, a Blue Water soundcheck), start there. :shrug

[ZackR]

Careful with it though. In my experience, a fair number of bullshit rumors (Lillywhite returning, a Blue Water soundcheck), start there. :shrugWhile that's true, it's true of any internet forum. :) Also, I have a feeling there WAS something to the Lillywhite rumors. I would not at all be surprised if the band and Lillywhite made some contact about the upcoming album. It's the same thing about the rumor here that Roi was leaving the band. There might very well have been some truth to it. In fact, it might have been true at one time, but then he changed his mind, was persuaded to stay, was convinced the band would try to make decent music, etc. Who knows?

Anyways, this wasn't directed at you personally. :) I just wanted to make the point that the fact that a rumor does not turn out to be true in the end does not mean there was not truth behind it or that it was not true at some point. :)

[warehouseguy]

While that's true, it's true of any internet forum. :) Also, I have a feeling there WAS something to the Lillywhite rumors. I would not at all be surprised if the band and Lillywhite made some contact about the upcoming album. It's the same thing about the rumor here that Roi was leaving the band. There might very well have been some truth to it. In fact, it might have been true at one time, but then he changed his mind, was persuaded to stay, was convinced the band would try to make decent music, etc. Who knows?

Anyways, this wasn't directed at you personally. :) I just wanted to make the point that the fact that a rumor does not turn out to be true in the end does not mean there was not truth behind it or that it was not true at some point. :)

and again, ive seen a good 20 + rumors over the year, so i put those comments from Moses out there tentatively, but they seem pretty legit... well see, but in the mean time, its more than having nothing at all :-)

[ZackR]

and again, ive seen a good 20 + rumors over the year, so i put those comments from Moses out there tentatively, but they seem pretty legit... well see, but in the mean time, its more than having nothing at all :-)
Agreed. I lurk over at TDC and read Moses' posts as well. I appreciate your taking the time to consolidate them over here. :thumbsup

[warehouseguy]

i can continue to do so if you all would like?

[warehouseguy]

if the barnes post is true about him being in the studio, im a little surprised Bela wasn't brought in instead...

[bubba40]

i can continue to do so if you all would like?

That'd be phenomenal!:D Much thanks!

if the barnes post is true about him being in the studio, im a little surprised Bela wasn't brought in instead...

I thought the same exact thing. :shrug

[bubba40]

While that's true, it's true of any internet forum. :) Also, I have a feeling there WAS something to the Lillywhite rumors. I would not at all be surprised if the band and Lillywhite made some contact about the upcoming album. It's the same thing about the rumor here that Roi was leaving the band. There might very well have been some truth to it. In fact, it might have been true at one time, but then he changed his mind, was persuaded to stay, was convinced the band would try to make decent music, etc. Who knows?

Anyways, this wasn't directed at you personally. :) I just wanted to make the point that the fact that a rumor does not turn out to be true in the end does not mean there was not truth behind it or that it was not true at some point. :)

Absolutely, absolutely. It has been posted before on this board too by people very much in the know that the Roi rumor definitely had some truth to it at one point.

[PantalaNagaMan]

if the barnes post is true about him being in the studio, im a little surprised Bela wasn't brought in instead...

Barnes lives in Seattle, it was convienient - and be it no Bela - it is still a good addition.

[ZackR]

Yah, I was wondering why they wouldn't bring Bela in as well. Although, they did have Barnes with them on tour this year several times.

[Rockyall107]

Absolutely, absolutely. It has been posted before on this board too by people very much in the know that the Roi rumor definitely had some truth to it at one point.


stefan denied that about a year ago saying it was nothing but a rumor..it was posted on one of his myspace blogs

[warehouseguy]

stefan denied that about a year ago saying it was nothing but a rumor..it was posted on one of his myspace blogs

I remember that shit storm... GOOD LORD that was out of control....

glad he's still around, and glad that rumor died off...

as for this one, nothing Moses is saying is beyond belief, and its restrained enough to give it the appearance of legit info

[bigeyedfish190]

as for this one, nothing Moses is saying is beyond belief, and its restrained enough to give it the appearance of legit info

Thanks for posting that. Like you said, it certainly sounds legit, and true or not, it gets me through the offseason. I'm not on TDC boards, so anything you put out here would be great :D

EDIT: I like that dave is using the valletti (I think thats the name...) and I think he should bust out that electric dobro-looking guitar he used for #27 with Tim and Cornbread on RCMH.

[fallbackagain40]

Update from studio...
Just working on a song from yesterday most of the day today.

WOW what a concept! Work on 1 song during a day. I'm so used to the "lets get down 20 riffs and see what we can do with them. THAT's A SONG RIGHT THERE!"

[warehouseguy]

we all are glad Batson isn't here, and at least this producer will work em hard... ( i hope)

[HolyCow]

:(

I want Sugar Will so bad.

[rickyh24]

^ Especially knowing Tim is Going to be there. GGT would be nice too :(

[DustyKeys70]

check out their myspace vids from the summer on their profile page... its in the background playing... noodling, mostly but could be a nice quiet track
which part of the summer vids is this on?

[DustyKeys70]

Nevermind, found it (Part 4) It sounds great!

[warehouseguy]

what do you think of that vid IV? i know it's hard to hear it, but I like Dave's vocals on it...

[lestat1600]

in no particular order

Cornbread
The Idea of You
#27
Dream So Real
Shotgun
kill the king
breakfree
eh hee
and stuff we have yet to hear

[CoffeeJanitor]

Careful with it though. In my experience, a fair number of bullshit rumors (Lillywhite returning, a Blue Water soundcheck), start there. :shrugOf course a fair number have started here as well.

[rickyh24]

in no particular order

Cornbread
The Idea of You
#27
Dream So Real
Shotgun
kill the king
breakfree
eh hee
and stuff we have yet to hear

I hope only 3 or so of these is on the album.

[Mattstl1]

some from jake, some from news articles, and right now the guy that got us the Vegas soundcheck has been leaking minor, vague info from the studio on TDC... again not confirmed, but seems like a reasonable source, especially given past history, and unwillingness to give strong details... yes, ive been on boards long enough to see enough rumors come/go... but he has been good for it in the past...

:lol :lol :lol After the Lillywhite fiasco I think I'll pass on any "inside info" from moses and smitty. Not knocking the whole site but those clowns have been wrong too many times for them to be taken seriously.

[spoot388]

if the barnes post is true about him being in the studio, im a little surprised Bela wasn't brought in instead...

Barnes lives in Seattle, it was convienient - and be it no Bela - it is still a good addition.

Yah, I was wondering why they wouldn't bring Bela in as well. Although, they did have Barnes with them on tour this year several times.


Steve Martin (yes the actor) in the studio on banjo FTW

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZN8EpfmBcc




^ Especially knowing Tim is Going to be there. GGT would be nice too :(


Good Good Time would absolutely BLOW in the studio. There is nothing to the majority of the song. It would be so empty if they ever did it in the studio unless it had a major overhaul.



in no particular order

Cornbread
The Idea of You
#27
Dream So Real
Shotgun
kill the king
breakfree
eh hee
and stuff we have yet to hear


No way KTK or BF are on it, and ADSR and Eh Hee (while EH should be) are iffey.

[rickyh24]

^ I think with Tim in the studio GGT could be something.

[TobiasClown]

what do you think of that vid IV? i know it's hard to hear it, but I like Dave's vocals on it...


where is this video?

[amoore624426]

A remix of crash i heard...

[TobiasClown]

where is this video?


ignore this. and i like the video. the guitar in the song is very different than their typical style but i really like it.

[crashintome202]

bela is way too busy to be in the studio with them. dont forget hes only guested on a handful of songs too (studio wise)

[Saxman_tim]

wow, i am in lov with that... dont u think tim will play something on idea of you tho?

[bubba40]

:(

I want Sugar Will so bad.

You and me both brother :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup

Of course a fair number have started here as well.

True.

[Miccius]

That's interesting information man. Hope it's true. Keep it coming.

[dmb5570]

so over at tdc.org, it seems that moses is going to stop posting for a while. i guess having so many people doubt his info got old. there were some links to supposed videos from in studio, im busy studying or i would check them out. and im not much of a musician, whats the little guitar?

[sdaltons]

my hunch is that moses came across something big that he's afraid he'll let slip if he keeps posting too much.

the "videos from in studio" were a different band at Studio Litho, i believe.

the tiny little guitar is the guitar dave plays Idea of You and Shotgun on. he often says stuff before the song starts like "this is a tiny little guitar and this song is called The Idea of You."

[warehouseguy]

you all think he'll be back w/ more posts in future?

[PantalaNagaMan]

you all think he'll be back w/ more posts in future?

Well I'm kind of dissapointed now. :(

[HolyCow]

I'm sitting in class and I'm bored. So I figured I'd type out for the 276th time my ideal (realistic) track listing. So that means I'm pulling Crazy-Easy off my listing (:().

1. NEW SONG
Funky, acoustic driven song with a catchy, melodic chorus. Tim adding acoustic fills. ---5:45
2. #27
Standard version with Tim adding bottleneck slide acoustic fills. ---4:15
3. NEW SONG
A dark, driving song with Tim on it. Acoustic and catchy, but also relatively slow. Think Don't Drink the Water. ---4:45
4. Cornbread
Tim adding fills and Danny Barnes on banjo. This song could be a studio monster. I'm seeing Rapunzel-ish type potential all over it. Let Barnes and Tim have a "dueling banjos" type trade-off jam in the middle. ---5:30
5. NEW SONG
Dark, catchy song with solid, thought-provoking lyrics. Maybe use the lyrics from the Gravedigger/Warehouse intro. ---5:15
6. NEW SONG (SBC soundcheck)
I love the soundcheck and I can just smell the awesomeness in it. As long as the song has good lyrics, I don't think they can go wrong. Have Tim and Danny Barnes on it with Barnes coming in on that breakdown. Long, extended jam. ---7:30
7. Sweet Up and Down
I'm torn about having this one on the album, but it's going to need a real staple on it. You can't go wrong with SUAD and the band seems to be considering it so why not. Toss Tim on it with some fills and you've got a winner. ---5:00
8. NEW SONG
Need a soft, love song here. Maybe that myspace video song, but I'm not sold on that one yet. --- 4:00
9. A Dream So Real / NEW SONG
I'm not sold on ADSR yet either, but I think Tim could really add to it. I like the idea of the song, but it needs a little work and Dave needs a good riff in it instead of just standing there. ---4:00
10. NEW SONG
A sweet love song. Something like Lover Lay Down. Acoustic driven with a Tim solo. ---4:45
11. Shotgun
The best, most passion-filled, emotional version ever of it. Just belt out something incredible. ---6:00
12. Sugar Will
I know it's not likely, but one can dream. I love the song and Tim on it would blow my mind. Keep it long, extend the jam and just let it go. ---8:00

13. Hidden: Loving Wings
Fade in and let it run for about 3:00 and then fade it out.

Total run time: 64:45 (w/bonus track)


That's what I'd love to see. A kind of country/bluegrass/old school DMB type album. I want the tracks long. No short little punchy three minute pop songs. Give me good lengthened tracks like the old albums.

[bibby1044]

^
Cornbread could be awesome if Dave and Tim play it Radio City style with Barnes doing the usual on it.

[koscht]

I'm sitting in class and I'm bored. So I figured I'd type out for the 276th time my ideal (realistic) track listing. So that means I'm pulling Crazy-Easy off my listing (:().

1. NEW SONG
Funky, acoustic driven song with a catchy, melodic chorus. Tim adding acoustic fills. ---5:45
2. #27
Standard version with Tim adding bottleneck slide acoustic fills. ---4:15
3. NEW SONG
A dark, driving song with Tim on it. Acoustic and catchy, but also relatively slow. Think Don't Drink the Water. ---4:45
4. Cornbread
Tim adding fills and Danny Barnes on banjo. This song could be a studio monster. I'm seeing Rapunzel-ish type potential all over it. Let Barnes and Tim have a "dueling banjos" type trade-off jam in the middle. ---5:30
5. NEW SONG
Dark, catchy song with solid, thought-provoking lyrics. Maybe use the lyrics from the Gravedigger/Warehouse intro. ---5:15
6. NEW SONG (SBC soundcheck)
I love the soundcheck and I can just smell the awesomeness in it. As long as the song has good lyrics, I don't think they can go wrong. Have Tim and Danny Barnes on it with Barnes coming in on that breakdown. Long, extended jam. ---7:30
7. Sweet Up and Down
I'm torn about having this one on the album, but it's going to need a real staple on it. You can't go wrong with SUAD and the band seems to be considering it so why not. Toss Tim on it with some fills and you've got a winner. ---5:00
8. NEW SONG
Need a soft, love song here. Maybe that myspace video song, but I'm not sold on that one yet. --- 4:00
9. A Dream So Real / NEW SONG
I'm not sold on ADSR yet either, but I think Tim could really add to it. I like the idea of the song, but it needs a little work and Dave needs a good riff in it instead of just standing there. ---4:00
10. NEW SONG
A sweet love song. Something like Lover Lay Down. Acoustic driven with a Tim solo. ---4:45
11. Shotgun
The best, most passion-filled, emotional version ever of it. Just belt out something incredible. ---6:00
12. Sugar Will
I know it's not likely, but one can dream. I love the song and Tim on it would blow my mind. Keep it long, extend the jam and just let it go. ---8:00

13. Hidden: Loving Wings
Fade in and let it run for about 3:00 and then fade it out.

Total run time: 64:45 (w/bonus track)


That's what I'd love to see. A kind of country/bluegrass/old school DMB type album. I want the tracks long. No short little punchy three minute pop songs. Give me good lengthened tracks like the old albums.

this sounds awesome, i love this

[warehouseguy]

SBC SC!!!!! other than sugar will, i could see that album happening...

[dmbdreamingtree]

first song of the album: carters drums --->cornbread.

[kyledmb]

Here is my dream track list for the new album:

1. New Song *
2. New Song *
3. New Song *
4. New Song *
5. New Song *
6. New Song *
7. Good, Good Time *
8. Loving Wings *
9. New Song *
10. New Song *
11. SBC Soundcheck *

* With Tim Reynolds
+ With Rashawn Ross (Notice there aren't any + signs)

[qm247]

^

:lol

I feel ya, Kyle.

[drummerdmbfan]

* With Tim Reynolds
+ With Rashawn Ross (Notice there aren't any + signs)


LMAO kyle :lol
i like your comment at the gorge that rashawn makes any song sound like a 70's game show! haha priceless.

[kyledmb]

LMAO kyle :lol
i like your comment at the gorge that rashawn makes any song sound like a 70's game show! haha priceless.

I think one of my biggest fear is that we will get a decent album, but it is plastered with blaring trumpet/sax syncopations throughout. You know the ones...you heard them all summer 2007 tour long. Yeah, the ones where Rashawn plays everything Roi plays on the chorus except 10 octaves higher.

[qm247]

except 10 octaves higher.

....or just shrill, screeching noises.

[dmb5570]

I think one of my biggest fear is that we will get a decent album, but it is plastered with blaring trumpet/sax syncopations throughout. You know the ones...you heard them all summer 2007 tour long. Yeah, the ones where Rashawn plays everything Roi plays on the chorus except 10 octaves higher.


you mean a super high note, followed by a 1 second breath right into the exact same shaky rough high note?

if they can do it with small background parts i think the trumpet can be fine, i just hope that its not prominant on the album........they can always make parts for him on the road, but minimalistic on the album, same for butch.

[bila]

I am to am a decent fan of GGT. If you listen to the Bon 04 when he debuted it, what made it so good was trey and tim on the guitars fucking around over daves main riff. I agree that the song has no substance played full band because i feel the song is mainly good when you have 2 or 3 guitars. So, with timmy in there, and we all know how dope he is, he might just start fucking around with it with dave, they played it on the Sov of the Seas in 06. anyways thats all just throught i woudl chim in

[warehouseguy]

I dunno, i dont see the trumpet overpowering... maybe on a couple of end jams.... and don't forget Boyd, Tim... with their fills

[bibby1044]

Here is my dream track list for the new album:

1. New Song *
2. New Song *
3. New Song *
4. New Song *
5. New Song *
6. New Song *
7. Good, Good Time *
8. Loving Wings *
9. New Song *
10. New Song *
11. SBC Soundcheck *

* With Tim Reynolds
+ With Rashawn Ross (Notice there aren't any + signs)
Loving Wings wouldnt even be in consideration if it wasnt for Rashawn, he gave the song new life with the band.

[bubba40]

you mean a super high note, followed by a 1 second breath right into the exact same shaky rough high note?

if they can do it with small background parts i think the trumpet can be fine, i just hope that its not prominant on the album........they can always make parts for him on the road, but minimalistic on the album, same for butch.

No, Rashawn should be prominent on the album because he's a phenomenal musician.

....or just shrill, screeching noises.

:BANG

I think one of my biggest fear is that we will get a decent album, but it is plastered with blaring trumpet/sax syncopations throughout. You know the ones...you heard them all summer 2007 tour long. Yeah, the ones where Rashawn plays everything Roi plays on the chorus except 10 octaves higher.

Yeah, that would be fantastic music you're talking about. Call-and-response, playing off of each other, responding to and improvising off of each other's improvisations. It's called jazz, and it's awesome.

10 octaves higher? Really? 1) You're wrong, and 2) have you ever heard of harmony notes? As in, if the band is playing a G, Rashawn, with his extensive Berklee School of Music (one of the finest music schools in the world) training, might play another note from a G Major chord, such as the 3rd (B) or 5th (D) or another scale degree. It's called jazz.


+ With Rashawn Ross (Notice there aren't any + signs)

Rashawn Ross makes this band much, much better.

The lack of appreciation and respect for Rashawn on this board is appalling.

[HolyCow]

I'm with Bubba. I always thought Rashawn was an excellent addition to the band's sound.

[TobiasClown]

I'm with Bubba. I always thought Rashawn was an excellent addition to the band's sound.

i definitely agree. i think he has a lot to bring to the table on this next studio effort

[dmbdreamingtree]

i could do with out rashawn... i wouldn't mind him as a guest on the album and on a few shows of the tour. but he has influenced the bands sound too much.

[dance41nancies]

What I would like to see:

Cornbread (maybe as an opener)
A Dream So Real
#27
The Idea of You
Shotgun
Loving Wings
& maybe Eh Hee (depending on what new twists they can possibly put on it)
+
A bunch (maybe 6ish) of new songs

With Tim, Butch, and Rashawn on all songs.
With Danny on 1/3 of them.


This combo (1/2 new, 1/2 old + 4 guests) would be awesome to me (and is rather realistic).

[dmb5570]

No, Rashawn should be prominent on the album because he's a phenomenal musician.

\The lack of appreciation and respect for Rashawn on this board is appalling.


Honestly, I think Rashawn has some good moments, but I really dont think that he is phenomenal by any means. When hes on he good, but theres too many times that I listen to songs and he is off key, cant hold notes steady, or the style just does not fit with the song(probably not his fault). Hes good, but not phenomenal. Background fill on the album, sure, a couple of brief solos on the album, thats cool, but id rather the majority of fill be boyd, roi, and tim.

[funksoul]

What I would like to see:

Cornbread (maybe as an opener)
A Dream So Real
#27
The Idea of You
Shotgun
Loving Wings
& maybe Eh Hee (depending on what new twists they can possibly put on it)
+
A bunch (maybe 6ish) of new songs

With Tim, Butch, and Rashawn on all songs.
With Danny on 1/3 of them.


This combo (1/2 new, 1/2 old + 4 guests) would be awesome to me (and is rather realistic).

Eh Hee has been released already...I really don't think it will be on the album.

[bubba40]

Honestly, I think Rashawn has some good moments, but I really dont think that he is phenomenal by any means. When hes on he good, but theres too many times that I listen to songs and he is off key, cant hold notes steady, or the style just does not fit with the song(probably not his fault). Hes good, but not phenomenal. Background fill on the album, sure, a couple of brief solos on the album, thats cool, but id rather the majority of fill be boyd, roi, and tim.

I assure you, he is very, very, very, very, very, very, very rarely "off-key" or unable to hold a note steady. And frequently an "off-key" note sounds great, such as in the blues scale (one of just an infinite number of examples), which is used in the Jimi Thing jam. Frequently in jazz, flatted or sharped notes, technically "off-key" as in that they are not in the original key signature, are played completely and strategically on purpose, and when done by a professional, sound wonderful. I, (if you can't tell :lol ) STRONGLY belive Rashawn to certainly be a professional.

[CoffeeJanitor]

I'm sitting in class and I'm bored. So I figured I'd type out for the 276th time my ideal (realistic) track listing.

(Said track listing)Disregarding Sugar Will (as you said there's basically no chance) the only thing I would add would be IOY.:thumbsup

[dmb5570]

I assure you, he is very, very, very, very, very, very, very rarely "off-key" or unable to hold a note steady. And frequently an "off-key" note sounds great, such as in the blues scale (one of just an infinite number of examples), which is used in the Jimi Thing jam. Frequently in jazz, flatted or sharped notes, technically "off-key" as in that they are not in the original key signature, are played completely and strategically on purpose, and when done by a professional, sound wonderful. I, (if you can't tell :lol ) STRONGLY belive Rashawn to certainly be a professional.


Ive been around music a long time, I know music. I played jazz band for 6 years. I dont think Rashawn is bad. But those notes im talking about are NOT on purpose and they are there. I have tons of downloads from the last two years, and there are plenty of times that the sound coming from his trumpet does not sound good at all. I think hes a talented musician, Im just disagreeing that hes that phenominal. And even if he did play perfect, I would just prefer a trumpet to not be on all of the songs, its just not the right sound for the band(obviously they disagree as do a lot of people on this board and thats fine).

[Matt McKibben]

Ive been around music a long time, I know music. I played jazz band for 6 years. I dont think Rashawn is bad. But those notes im talking about are NOT on purpose and they are there. I have tons of downloads from the last two years, and there are plenty of times that the sound coming from his trumpet does not sound good at all. I think hes a talented musician, Im just disagreeing that hes that phenominal. And even if he did play perfect, I would just prefer a trumpet to not be on all of the songs, its just not the right sound for the band(obviously they disagree as do a lot of people on this board and thats fine).


:thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup

[CrashAgain]

Sorry I didnt read this whole thing, but whats the word on Tim accompanying the boys throughout the full tour?

[qm247]

Ross, with DMB, is good in the lower to mid register or playing muted. On the whole, I could do without him there, but to those who enjoy him with the band (e.g. Bubba), more power to you. My opinion in no way should take away or diminish Rashawn's professional/technical ability. It's just my opinion, as sacred as it my be. :)


now back to the thread topic.

[Matt McKibben]

No, Rashawn should be prominent on the album because he's a phenomenal musician.



:BANG



Yeah, that would be fantastic music you're talking about. Call-and-response, playing off of each other, responding to and improvising off of each other's improvisations. It's called jazz, and it's awesome.

10 octaves higher? Really? 1) You're wrong, and 2) have you ever heard of harmony notes? As in, if the band is playing a G, Rashawn, with his extensive Berklee School of Music (one of the finest music schools in the world) training, might play another note from a G Major chord, such as the 3rd (B) or 5th (D) or another scale degree. It's called jazz.



Rashawn Ross makes this band much, much better.

The lack of appreciation and respect for Rashawn on this board is appalling.



Rashawn's screechy ass trumpet makes me wish they would turn up Butch, and I am not a big fan of Butch either.

Dont get me wrong, he has his good moments, he even has great moments from time to time. What he added to Melissa at Peidmont was nothing short of beautiful, and I'm sure he will be able to do great things in a studio setting (where he can be turned up or down, or he can try it again if it sounds like he just stepped on a cat). I just dont want to hear him on every song of the whole fucking tour. He hurts more songs than he helps. He ruins Grey Street, one of my favorite songs.

[bubba40]

Ive been around music a long time, I know music. I played jazz band for 6 years. I dont think Rashawn is bad. But those notes im talking about are NOT on purpose and they are there. I have tons of downloads from the last two years, and there are plenty of times that the sound coming from his trumpet does not sound good at all. I think hes a talented musician, Im just disagreeing that hes that phenominal. And even if he did play perfect, I would just prefer a trumpet to not be on all of the songs, its just not the right sound for the band(obviously they disagree as do a lot of people on this board and thats fine).

I guess we're just going to have to agree to disagree then. :)

[dmb5570]

I guess we're just going to have to agree to disagree then. :)


Sounds good to me, im always up for a good friendly disagreement. :monkey

[kyledmb]

Honestly, I think Rashawn has some good moments, but I really dont think that he is phenomenal by any means. When hes on he good, but theres too many times that I listen to songs and he is off key, cant hold notes steady, or the style just does not fit with the song(probably not his fault). Hes good, but not phenomenal. Background fill on the album, sure, a couple of brief solos on the album, thats cool, but id rather the majority of fill be boyd, roi, and tim.


you're right. his intonation is horrendous. And wasn't he supposed to learn dynamics in high school jazz band?

[kyledmb]

No, Rashawn should be prominent on the album because he's a phenomenal musician.



:BANG



Yeah, that would be fantastic music you're talking about. Call-and-response, playing off of each other, responding to and improvising off of each other's improvisations. It's called jazz, and it's awesome.

10 octaves higher? Really? 1) You're wrong, and 2) have you ever heard of harmony notes? As in, if the band is playing a G, Rashawn, with his extensive Berklee School of Music (one of the finest music schools in the world) training, might play another note from a G Major chord, such as the 3rd (B) or 5th (D) or another scale degree. It's called jazz.



Rashawn Ross makes this band much, much better.

The lack of appreciation and respect for Rashawn on this board is appalling.


:lol :lol :lol ...easy there bubba.

1) I was joking about the 10 octave thing. Ten octaves above an Eb alto saxophone would be out of the hearing range of even canines.

2) I know what jazz is. I have traveled the country playing bari sax in different jazz bands. in fact, i was probably doing that while you were still pooping your diapers.

ok, now i declare peace. :D

[rickyh24]

I just don't think Rashawn is necessary. With Tim in studio there is already enough going on. I say let Leroi shine.

[kyledmb]

I just don't think Rashawn is necessary. With Tim in studio there is already enough going on. I say let Leroi shine.

Amen!!! I think Ross actually effects the way Roi plays. Ross somewhat defines how Roi approaches his instrument.


Free Leroi 2008

[BruceW]

Amen!!! I think Ross actually effects the way Roi plays. Ross somewhat defines how Roi approaches his instrument.


Free Leroi 2008
with that i agree...but i think he helps roi...idt roi can solo on every single song and be able to put that much strength in it anymore...notice 2005 he sounded pretty rough...and i think rashawn takes some of the pressure off and even inspires roi...i do think sometimes he takes over and roi should shine more...but idk i think rashawn is a good thing for this band...turn him down a little sometimes but he brings some good energy and some sweet melody sometimes and i love i...of this is IMO

[bubba40]

Amen!!! I think Ross actually effects the way Roi plays. Ross somewhat defines how Roi approaches his instrument.


Free Leroi 2008

Absolutely, in a very, very positive way. There's no question about this whatsoever IMO, that Rashawn positively affects Roi's playing and creativity.

Okay I'm done hijacking this into an I Love Rashawn!!1!!!11 thread :lol .

No but really I love the guy's playing.

[kyledmb]

Absolutely, in a very, very positive way. There's no question about this whatsoever IMO, that Rashawn positively affects Roi's playing and creativity.

Okay I'm done hijacking this into an I Love Rashawn!!1!!!11 thread :lol .

No but really I love the guy's playing.

in some ways, maybe yes, in others, no.

Roi is actually quite progressive in what he does. Sax in a rock band. crazy right? Well, he pulls it off because it is not sax solo after sax solo. What he does is often quite rhythmic and textural. A good example is the studio version of Dreaming Tree.

With Rashawn, i see roi getting away from that innovative style of playing and moving more towards a very standard pop/jazz unison and linear style with the trumpet.

I don't like the thought of that at all. Sorry, just wanted to clarify my above post.

[ameneon]

I don´t think people are disputing whether or not Rashawn can play his instrument. But i for one, find him pulling the cart in a totally opposite direction of the bands sound. As someone said earlier, he makes almost every song sound like a 70s gameshow. That´s pretty close to what i said in another thread a few days ago, and everybody turned their flamethrowers on.

He´s a darn good trumpet player, but the more i listen to recordings from the past years i start to long for some pre-2000 shows. Some argues that the band´s sound has evolved. That´s true, but there are tons of directions to move in, and i don´t find the past years direction very much too my liking, with Rashawn being a big part of that. In addition to Dave more and more wearing out his voice... I´m not looking forward to hearing any Rashawn on this album. I´m hoping for a solid, back-to-the-beginnings type of album... With Tim returning i hope this might be the album we´ve been wishing for the last 5 years.

[Matt McKibben]

Rashawn's screechy ass trumpet makes me wish they would turn up Butch, and I am not a big fan of Butch either.

Dont get me wrong, he has his good moments, he even has great moments from time to time. What he added to Melissa at Peidmont was nothing short of beautiful, and I'm sure he will be able to do great things in a studio setting (where he can be turned up or down, or he can try it again if it sounds like he just stepped on a cat). I just dont want to hear him on every song of the whole fucking tour. He hurts more songs than he helps. He ruins Grey Street, one of my favorite songs.

I agree with this guy, he knows his shit and he's a handsom man too. ;)

[zdaddy]

So lets get back on topic...

anyone have any news on anything, at all?

[spoot388]

So lets get back on topic...

anyone have any news on anything, at all?



as i stated in the scranton thread, the good news is that time decided to continue to move forward, bringing us closer to the start of the tour, rather than going backwards and making the tour even farther away.

[zdaddy]

as i stated in the scranton thread, the good news is that time decided to continue to move forward, bringing us closer to the start of the tour, rather than going backwards and making the tour even farther away.
:lol

[kyledmb]

So lets get back on topic...

anyone have any news on anything, at all?

im heading up to the studio this weekend. so i'll get back to you on that one!:D

[warehouseguy]

no news that i've found .... think we'll get something in the next two weeks like a producer interview?

[Gladstone]

Rashawn's screechy ass trumpet makes me wish they would turn up Butch, and I am not a big fan of Butch either.

Dont get me wrong, he has his good moments, he even has great moments from time to time. What he added to Melissa at Peidmont was nothing short of beautiful, and I'm sure he will be able to do great things in a studio setting (where he can be turned up or down, or he can try it again if it sounds like he just stepped on a cat). I just dont want to hear him on every song of the whole fucking tour. He hurts more songs than he helps. He ruins Grey Street, one of my favorite songs.

You're on to something here. I'd prefer it if they leave out Rashawn from the album completely. I actually (start the bashing!) find him more annoying than - dare I say it - Butch these days. Rashawn overpowers the saxophone (which is a much more delicate instrument in my eyes and to my ears) with his bigass trumpet and plays the same damn thing over and over - lame and boring. Atleast Butch can go to the background and gently fill some parts in with class (in theory mind you).

[Matt McKibben]

You're on to something here. I'd prefer it if they leave out Rashawn from the album completely. I actually (start the bashing!) find him more annoying than - dare I say it - Butch these days. Rashawn overpowers the saxophone (which is a much more delicate instrument in my eyes and to my ears) with his bigass trumpet and plays the same damn thing over and over - lame and boring. Atleast Butch can go to the background and gently fill some parts in with class (in theory mind you).
I knew I could count on you to back me up. :lol

Where have you been lately, I havent seen you much?

[ameneon]

You're on to something here. I'd prefer it if they leave out Rashawn from the album completely. I actually (start the bashing!) find him more annoying than - dare I say it - Butch these days. Rashawn overpowers the saxophone (which is a much more delicate instrument in my eyes and to my ears) with his bigass trumpet and plays the same damn thing over and over - lame and boring. Atleast Butch can go to the background and gently fill some parts in with class (in theory mind you).

I couldn´t agree more. the subtleties of Roi somewhat disappears with Rashawn...

[kyledmb]

I couldn´t agree more. the subtleties of Roi somewhat disappears with Rashawn...

:thumbsup :thumbsup

[bubba40]

I couldn´t agree more. the subtleties of Roi somewhat disappears with Rashawn...

No. This was happening before Rashawn came along.

[DustyKeys70]

Does everyone think Falling Off the Roof is completely gone??

[SmoothRider[PL]]

My prediction:

01. New Song
02. Cornbread
03. The Idea of You
04. New Song
05. New Song
06. Sweet Up and Down
07. New Song
08. New Song
09. New Song
10. New Song
11. A Dream So Real
12. Loving Wings >
13. Shotgun (with "BTCS reprise" style - outro by LeRoi and Rashawn)

I'd like to see ADSR, FOTR and Shotgun there. I'd be satisfied with those 3 songs.

[rickyh24]

If I cant hear Roi on this damn record I am going to be pissed.

[dmbfan4ever]

;7222619']My prediction:

01. New Song
02. Cornbread
03. The Idea of You
04. New Song
05. New Song
06. Sweet Up and Down
07. New Song
08. New Song
09. New Song
10. New Song
11. A Dream So Real
12. Loving Wings >
13. Shotgun (with "BTCS reprise" style - outro by LeRoi and Rashawn)

I'd like to see ADSR, FOTR and Shotgun there. I'd be satisfied with those 3 songs.
This is the 100th time I've seen Loving Wings in album discussion....did something happen with Loving Wings that sparked a debate as to whether it was going to show up on the album or not?

[MistreatedLewis]

This is the 100th time I've seen Loving Wings in album discussion....did something happen with Loving Wings that sparked a debate as to whether it was going to show up on the album or not?

I think the word is that they have played around with it in the studio either before or after the tour... don't know though

[MiniRay]

I think they went into to the studio in November to lay down some tracks. Not sure, but I think it was Cornbread, Loving Wings and SUAD

I could be wrong though

[warehouseguy]

I think they went into to the studio in November to lay down some tracks. Not sure, but I think it was Cornbread, Loving Wings and SUAD

I could be wrong though

and shotgun...

i really hope SUAD gets to see the light of day on a studio album...

[JohnK86]

I´ve changed my mind about #27 after listening to the Hollywood Bowl version and think that it´s the best new song along with Cornbread. Those two better be on the album, that´s all I´m saying.

[ameneon]

No. This was happening before Rashawn came along.

I´m not thinking about Roi becoming more passive in the shows or anything. I´m just saying that with the trumpet the sax is more and more drowned out. Like previously stated by someone, it´s a delicate instrument. If Roi became less involved in the shows earlier, Rashawn didn´t help prevent that.

I honestly don´t understand why the crew agrees to drag Rashawn around anymore. He´s such a huge piece of equipment. Must take hours to get him installed on stage... :)

Not to mention the size of the doors required in the studio for him to be able to participate...

[Joyride4136]

^lay off the guy, he's really talented and brings it.

don't worry, roi still does too

[MiniRay]

^ Agree. Looking forward to Rashawn on Loving Wings, if that one makes the album

[warehouseguy]

^ Agree. Looking forward to Rashawn on Loving Wings, if that one makes the album

I like this song as a hidden track, b-side or the very end of the album... nice to have it added w/ trumpets finally in the studio, but not one I will listen to all that often, to be honest...

love it, but nothing like some of the other stronger candidates (Shotgun, SUAD, C'Bread, etc.)

[Joyride4136]

ok i'm listening to radio city right now... if tim can make ODH enjoyable i have high, high hopes for this album

[warehouseguy]

ok i'm listening to radio city right now... if tim can make ODH enjoyable i have high, high hopes for this album

also speaking of tim's adds... imagine he and dave playing together on that some devil intro... and building in some jazzy trumpets/sax...

[MiniRay]

I like this song as a hidden track, b-side or the very end of the album... nice to have it added w/ trumpets finally in the studio, but not one I will listen to all that often, to be honest...

love it, but nothing like some of the other stronger candidates (Shotgun, SUAD, C'Bread, etc.)

Loving Wings should be the last track on the album, and be jammed out like Proudest Monkey on Crash. It would be a phenomenal way to end the album.

[warehouseguy]

Loving Wings should be the last track on the album, and be jammed out like Proudest Monkey on Crash. It would be a phenomenal way to end the album.

DEFINITELY AGREE! lends itself to a loose jam like that... one of the best parts of Crash

[Joyride4136]

over on TDC they were wondering if the upcoming d&t show(s) would include new songs... very interesting to discuss

[DirtyDeeds449]

over on TDC they were wondering if the upcoming d&t show(s) would include new songs... very interesting to discuss

that is interesting, give us some time to bitch before the cd. :bounce

[MiniRay]

I thought about this too - very exciting.

[crashintome202]

over on TDC they were wondering if the upcoming d&t show(s) would include new songs... very interesting to discuss
i would have to say yes. i cant imagine them not playing atleast 1 song we havent heard of yet. i also expect to hear the 07 songs in their new form:)

so new songs in 1 month! omgz!)@(%

[MiniRay]

It's gonna be awesome if they play some new songs :)

[nitz]

also speaking of tim's adds... imagine he and dave playing together on that some devil intro... and building in some jazzy trumpets/sax...


:thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup One of Dave's best musical expressions.

[DustyKeys70]

also speaking of tim's adds... imagine he and dave playing together on that some devil intro... and building in some jazzy trumpets/sax...
"I just think that's pretty!"

[bubba40]

also speaking of tim's adds... imagine he and dave playing together on that some devil intro... and building in some jazzy trumpets/sax...

Hell. Yes. :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup

[ZackR]

You're on to something here. I'd prefer it if they leave out Rashawn from the album completely. I actually (start the bashing!) find him more annoying than - dare I say it - Butch these days. Rashawn overpowers the saxophone (which is a much more delicate instrument in my eyes and to my ears) with his bigass trumpet and plays the same damn thing over and over - lame and boring. Atleast Butch can go to the background and gently fill some parts in with class (in theory mind you).I agree 100%. If I have to choose one, I choose Butch. Rashawn's super-high notes stick out so often. Sometimes, he blends well and complements the band nicely. Other times, he is just so incredibly noticeable with what he plays. It just does not fit very often to me...

[dmb5570]

i also expect to hear the 07 songs in their new form:)

so new songs in 1 month! omgz!)@(%


That excites me as much as completely new music. It will be awesome to hear what they have done with some of the recent stuff. So then we can talk about the early days of cornbread, 27, and whatever else they mess with like you can talk about the early days of DDTW or whatever else. Excitement is in the air, this is gonna be a great year(hopefully):monkey

[SmoothRider[PL]]

also speaking of tim's adds... imagine he and dave playing together on that some devil intro... and building in some jazzy trumpets/sax...
Imagine Tim playing on another Veillette Gryphon on Shotgun.

[bibby1044]

;7226076']Imagine Tim playing on another Veillette Gryphon on Shotgun.
I was thinking this also, if Dave really is playing the shit out of the Veillette, I really dont think a standard guitar would fit in well so I'd imagine Tim would pick it up.

[DirtyDeeds449]

Dave and Tim shotgun. im calling it now.

[elconguero]

i would like a sugarwill>shotgun>loving wings>shotgun reprise album closer. all continuous. what a way to end an album. definitely possible. although if i read that on the tracklist i would probably collapse and fall into an early grave before having a chance to listen. but i'll take my chances.

i have no doubt shotgun will sound beautiful musically on the album(especially with tim adding some atmosphere and maybe also a second guitar playing alterations of what dave does.) my only concern is the lyrics.

even if the music is great if dave does not nail them the song will lose its power. (see dream girl)

like many have said he really needs to go back to that first time he played it and start over from there. obviously that is where the song came from if thats what he first sang. i want some honest lyrics like he used to write. i feel since then he has pulled a captain with the lyrics and dumbed them down.

i am cool with the pretty patterns on the wall and a barrel for both of us imagery. but the dancing stuff needs to be tossed. he goes there too often.

"like a bitter evil king, reign on.... the first time, i thought i was in heaven.... stumbled like a nearly dead man"

those lyrics were amazing.

[zoe123]

"like a bitter evil king, reign on.... the first time, i thought i was in heaven.... stumbled like a nearly dead man"

those lyrics were amazing. very much agree:thumbsup

[warehouseguy]

Moses update:

no ones there this weekend. And it was just D&T yesterday

[bibby1044]

Moses update:

no ones there this weekend. And it was just D&T yesterday
great news. Back to the old days building around Dave.

[spoot388]

Dave and Tim shotgun. im calling it now.


that would be sick. especially if dave nails the lyrics. but maybe they won't do it UNTIL dave nails the lyrics. acoustic songs focus on singing and songwriting, so when that isn't at its strongest, it would make for a less than expected performance.

[bubba40]

Moses update:

no ones there this weekend. And it was just D&T yesterday

Any updates from the past few days before this weekend?

[warehouseguy]

Any updates from the past few days before this weekend?

no... moses dropped off-line w/out any updates

[warehouseguy]

SHOTGUN ACOUSTIC!!! how many new songs do you think we'll see tested in April? my guess is 1 or 2... kind of like 27 last summer

[warehouseguy]

and think we'll get a dreaming tree acoustic again (non-album related comment, but allowed once in a while, ha!)

[RobRoy286]

In my head, Shotgun D+T is amazing. Plus, I'm sure if played that way, Dave would actually sing lyrics instead of just yelling.

I'm not sure we'll get Shotgun this spring though - definitely Cornbread, #27, and maybe a new one or two.

[bibby1044]

So if Shotgun was just D&T would he pull out the Veillette or just acoustic style?

[CapnHani06]

6-string with capo, perhaps?

[bubba40]

So if Shotgun was just D&T would he pull out the Veillette or just acoustic style?

Veillette, I'd be willing to bet.

Poetry = :monkey

[DirtyDeeds449]

Man, these next few D+T shows should be interesting. Potential peak into what's going on in Seattle. Shotgun (what tim would add, finalized lyrics), A Dream so Real (same), and new stuff.

[CapnHani06]

Man, these next few D+T shows should be interesting. Potential peak into what's going on in Seattle. Shotgun (what tim would add, finalized lyrics), A Dream so Real (same), and new stuff.

i just freaked out at the thought of tim in the studio with shotgun...for some reason I had never though of that before, even though that specifically is what everybody's been raving about for weeks now.

with that in mind, think of how great bartender is on LWS. now think of how people have said, with tim, that studio shotgun has been speculated to have a similar aura in the sense that it has been jammed out and has a similar "epic" feel...now imagine what tim would have done with the LWS bartender - is your mind blown? :monkey

[kyledmb]

I was just at Litho this morning. it was empty :( They must take Sundays off. Or maybe they just sleep in!

[bibby1044]

i just freaked out at the thought of tim in the studio with shotgun...for some reason I had never though of that before, even though that specifically is what everybody's been raving about for weeks now.

with that in mind, think of how great bartender is on LWS. now think of how people have said, with tim, that studio shotgun has been speculated to have a similar aura in the sense that it has been jammed out and has a similar "epic" feel...now imagine what tim would have done with the LWS bartender - is your mind blown? :monkey
Yes, yes it is.:hump

I also love the thought of a D&T Loving Wings.
I was just at Litho this morning. it was empty :( They must take Sundays off. Or maybe they just sleep in!
Warehouseguy said that moses said the band took the weekend off, and only D&T were there last night.

[RobRoy286]

I can't see Tim fitting in on Shotgun.

[kyledmb]

Yes, yes it is.:hump

I also love the thought of a D&T Loving Wings.

Warehouseguy said that moses said the band took the weekend off, and only D&T were there last night.


ahhh i see. is this moses guy from Fremont? how does he know this stuff?

[spoot388]

ahhh i see. is this moses guy from Fremont? how does he know this stuff?


he's probably a private eye claiming to be on a mission in seattle and just sits infront of the studio all day with a pair of binoculars to see who goes in and out and what they drive.

[RobRoy286]

my guess would be...

1. New Song
2. The Idea Of You
3. New Song
4. #27
5. Cornbread
6. New Song
7. Eh Hee
8. A Dream So Real
9. New Song
10. New Song
11. Shotgun
12. Loving Wings

[Joyride4136]

I can't see Tim fitting in on Shotgun.

tim fits with anything. he'll find a way, playing some type of instrument

[nolan8or]

ADSR would be sick D&T. i really wanna hear the guitar part dave has written for it.

[spoot388]

ADSR would be sick D&T. i really wanna hear the guitar part dave has written for it.


dave doesnt even play on half the song. it would blow worse than a 35 minute Angel>Dreamgirl encore

[spoot388]

^ exaggeration to show emphasis


it would still suck more than anything else D+T has ever played together.

[Mateo2k]

i would like a sugarwill>shotgun>loving wings>shotgun reprise album closer. all continuous. what a way to end an album. definitely possible. although if i read that on the tracklist i would probably collapse and fall into an early grave before having a chance to listen. but i'll take my chances.



Ugh.

No.

Nothing needs to be "reprised"

[freyguy]

I know I'm reiterating what others have said, but I really do hope that Sugar Will w/Trey sees the light of day with this album. I guess all that's giving me hope is the teases towards the end of the 2007 tour. It frustrates me that they have such great songs that they just toss sometimes.

[Julia Roberts]

Ugh.

No.

Nothing needs to be "reprised"

Yeah. I hate the Seek Up reprise on R2T and I also hate the Last Stop reprise on BTCS. They just ruin those albums for me. Give me a good old album like Everyday or Stand Up please!

[BeQuietAndDrive]

I know I'm reiterating what others have said, but I really do hope that Sugar Will w/Trey sees the light of day with this album. I guess all that's giving me hope is the teases towards the end of the 2007 tour. It frustrates me that they have such great songs that they just toss sometimes.

That never happened.

[rickyh24]

Ugh.

No.

Nothing needs to be "reprised"

:lol I know it. Now Shotgun is so overrated we need it to appear twice on the record :lol

[dre2142]

Ugh.

No.

Nothing needs to be "reprised"

Not a fan of BTCS?

[jiggajm18]

Yeah. I hate the Seek Up reprise on R2T and I also hate the Last Stop reprise on BTCS. They just ruin those albums for me. Give me a good old album like Everyday or Stand Up please!

:eek

that's probably the most beautiful minute of music in the entire DMB catalog

[bigeyedfish190]

:eek

that's probably the most beautiful minute of music in the entire DMB catalog


...(he was being sarcastic. it doesn't always translate on the internet for all people.)

[jiggajm18]

...(he was being sarcastic. it doesn't always translate on the internet for all people.)

ah shit i didn't even notice the joke about everyday and SU

me---->:twak me<-----

[bigeyedfish190]

me---->:twak me<-----

:D its all good.

[freyguy]

That never happened.

http://dmbalmanac.com/TourShowSet.aspx?id=453056500&tid=96&where=2007

Actually, it did......twice.

http://dmbalmanac.com/TourShowSet.aspx?id=453056499&tid=96&where=2007

[warehouseguy]

so do we have a sense on SUAD at this point on the new album at all? Matt/Jake?

[CapnHani06]

http://dmbalmanac.com/TourShowSet.aspx?id=453056500&tid=96&where=2007

Actually, it did......twice.

http://dmbalmanac.com/TourShowSet.aspx?id=453056499&tid=96&where=2007

he actually meant the studio SW w/Trey...which, in fact, did :cool


...a fact that I "know" exclusively through this board and nowhere else. cheers! :monkey

[nolan8or]

dave doesnt even play on half the song. it would blow worse than a 35 minute Angel>Dreamgirl encore

this summer dave only played guitar for his little solo right before roi's. that's why i said i'm interested to hear what he's come up with to play on guitar since they've been in the studio.

[spoot388]

Originally Posted by elconguero http://www.antsmarching.org/forum/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.antsmarching.org/forum/showthread.php?p=7226544#post7226544)
i would like a sugarwill>shotgun>loving wings>shotgun reprise album closer. all continuous. what a way to end an album. definitely possible. although if i read that on the tracklist i would probably collapse and fall into an early grave before having a chance to listen. but i'll take my chances.



How can Shotgun possibly be reprised? There is nothing to reprise on the song. It doesn't fade out at the end, and theres nothing that should be added after the final riff. Reprising Shotgun makes no sense.




this summer dave only played guitar for his little solo right before roi's. that's why i said i'm interested to hear what he's come up with to play on guitar since they've been in the studio.


But if they had half the summer, and lord knows they played it enough to add stuff to it, don't you think Dave would have already worked more guitar into the song? I would be extremely surprised if this is played D+T because there just flat out isn't anything to play. And adding to it wont really help.

[bbianca1982]

I know I'm reiterating what others have said, but I really do hope that Sugar Will w/Trey sees the light of day with this album. I guess all that's giving me hope is the teases towards the end of the 2007 tour. It frustrates me that they have such great songs that they just toss sometimes.

All right, someone on this board is going to need to explain to me why Sugar Will is a good song. People on this site talk about Sugar Will needing to be on this new album like Jesus himself delivered down the sheet music and jammed out on the harp.

What is the big deal? The song sucks. It's not even really a song--it's a 14-minute jam with no structure and no real melody. It is by far the worst of the 2004 songs. It's worse than Dreamgirl. There's a reason it was relegated to the DMB dumpster; here's the hoping it stays there.

[bubba40]

All right, someone on this board is going to need to explain to me why Sugar Will is a good song. People on this site talk about Sugar Will needing to be on this new album like Jesus himself delivered down the sheet music and jammed out on the harp.

What is the big deal? The song sucks. It's not even really a song--it's a 14-minute jam with no structure and no real melody. It is by far the worst of the 2004 songs. It's worse than Dreamgirl. There's a reason it was relegated to the DMB dumpster; here's the hoping it stays there.

The bold is completely and undeniably false. And I thoroughly disagree with the rest of the post too. There are not 10 dMb songs better than Sugar Will. Dave's and Fonz's hypnotic riffs, Carter a deity on the drumkit, and Roi, oh sweet Roi, is masterful improvising over the end jam.

You couldn't be more wrong about the song not having a structure or melody. The intro revolves around Dave's intro riff in A minor, the verse, chorus, and pre/post chorus all have established chord progressions, and the end completes the circle by jamming in A minor. I can continue if you like.

[zdaddy]

All right, someone on this board is going to need to explain to me why Sugar Will is a good song. People on this site talk about Sugar Will needing to be on this new album like Jesus himself delivered down the sheet music and jammed out on the harp.

What is the big deal? The song sucks. It's not even really a song--it's a 14-minute jam with no structure and no real melody. It is by far the worst of the 2004 songs. It's worse than Dreamgirl. There's a reason it was relegated to the DMB dumpster; here's the hoping it stays there.
:thumbsup

[bubba40]

How can Shotgun possibly be reprised? There is nothing to reprise on the song. It doesn't fade out at the end, and theres nothing that should be added after the final riff. Reprising Shotgun makes no sense.

Listen to the 9/23/06 Shotgun man. Roi, Rashawn, and Carter reprise it beautifully.

If the album ends with some combo of Sugar Will, Loving Wings, and Shotgun, maybe a Shotgun reprise, I will not know what to do with myself.

[bubba40]

:thumbsup

Ahh give me a break that was one of the worst posts I've seen in some time!

[TheLastStop1992]

What about Joyride? I'm kind of pissed that it didnt get put on Stand Up. But since it wasnt on there its probably not going to be on the new one, correct?

[PantalaNagaMan]

The bold is completely and undeniably false. And I thoroughly disagree with the rest of the post too. There are not 10 dMb songs better than Sugar Will. Dave's and Fonz's hypnotic riffs, Carter a deity on the drumkit, and Roi, oh sweet Roi, is masterful improvising over the end jam.

You couldn't be more wrong about the song not having a structure or melody. The intro revolves around Dave's intro riff in A minor, the verse, chorus, and pre/post chorus all have established chord progressions, and the end completes the circle by jamming in A minor. I can continue if you like.

:haha

The Last Stop
The Dreaming Tree
Lie In Our Graves
Ants Marching
Warehouse
Dancing Nancies
Bartender
Captain (tLWS)
Two Step
Spoon
Grey Street
JTR
Pig
You Never Know

Should I keep going?

It's a good song, but come on now.

[PantalaNagaMan]

What about Joyride? I'm kind of pissed that it didnt get put on Stand Up. But since it wasnt on there its probably not going to be on the new one, correct?

Studio Joyride was released on the Bonus Disc. It was "Butch"-ered and doesn't deserve to be heard.

[bubba40]

:haha

The Last Stop
The Dreaming Tree
Lie In Our Graves
Ants Marching
Warehouse
Dancing Nancies
Bartender
Captain (tLWS)
Two Step
Spoon
Grey Street
JTR
Pig
You Never Know

Should I keep going?

It's a good song, but come on now.

Nope, I strongly think it's in the top 10. Good luck changing my opinion though.

[zdaddy]

Ahh give me a break that was one of the worst posts I've seen in some time!
Well, some of his claims are a bit out there, but as for the overratedness of it, he was spot on.

[mikemartone]

Monkey Man
JTR
Sweet Up & Down
Sister
Crazy Easy
#27
Cornbread
A Dream So Real
Idea of You
Eh Hee
Loving Wings
Sugar Will
Shotgun

I'm telling you, even though we have heard these songs before, this album would be compared to the BIG 3.

[PantalaNagaMan]

Monkey Man
JTR
Sweet Up & Down
Sister
Crazy Easy
#27
Cornbread
A Dream So Real
Idea of You
Eh Hee
Loving Wings
Sugar Will
Shotgun

I'm telling you, even though we have heard these songs before, this album would be compared to the BIG 3.

The rest should stay as they are.

[bubba40]

Monkey Man
JTR
Sweet Up & Down
Sister
Crazy Easy
#27
Cornbread
A Dream So Real
Idea of You
Eh Hee
Loving Wings
Sugar Will
Shotgun

I'm telling you, even though we have heard these songs before, this album would be compared to the BIG 3.

Drop Sister, Cornbread, and Idea of You, and I wholeheartedly agree.

[warehouseguy]

Drop Sister, Cornbread, and Idea of You, and I wholeheartedly agree.

agree yes, would be ideal... but really, JTR just doesnt seem all that likely, eg

[bubba40]

agree yes, would be ideal... but really, JTR just doesnt seem all that likely, eg

Sadly you're right :( . JTR is so phenomenal. I really, really, really wish the band would revisit it.

[warehouseguy]

I thought it had a chance when it appeared at Jazz fest, but i just dont see it...

sweet up & down, i'm still holding out for...

[bubba40]

I thought it had a chance when it appeared at Jazz fest, but i just dont see it...

sweet up & down, i'm still holding out for...

Me too. SUAD would be awesome, esp. with Tim.

We need a studio update :lol .

[DirtyDeeds449]

Me too. SUAD would be awesome, esp. with Tim.

We need a studio update :lol .

second that.

[bennettr]

third

[elconguero]

How can Shotgun possibly be reprised? There is nothing to reprise on the song. It doesn't fade out at the end, and theres nothing that should be added after the final riff. Reprising Shotgun makes no sense.




because they did it. well sort of after the song ended one night this last tour. basically it was like lazy horns that continued. mayeb someone can help out with the date they did that.

[elconguero]

Listen to the 9/23/06 Shotgun man. Roi, Rashawn, and Carter reprise it beautifully.

If the album ends with some combo of Sugar Will, Loving Wings, and Shotgun, maybe a Shotgun reprise, I will not know what to do with myself.

thanks. i forgot when that was but i knew they did it.

[warehouse1996]

A little off topic as far as tracks go but..... I just saw that Tim/TR3 is playing 3 dates in virginia in early May. Anyone think that the recording session is going to be wrapped up by then or do they finish it up during early may in VA? Maybe Tim will not be in the studio that much. He has shows listed from March 20th until the end of the month. One in VA. in April and then the 3 or 4 in May.

[bubba40]

I am so desperate for a studio update :lol

No honestly, if anyone in the know would like to pm me, I would not be mad. And I keep secrets really well. :lol

[Scootlebug]

Hey guys,

I have a brief update on the studio situation that came from my source within band management. The band has laid down a total of four tracks that seem like keepers in the recent sessions. I am told at this point that Tim has not signed on to tour this whole summer. They are having fun and trying to push themselves to create their best CD so far. They want it to be as "complex" as BTCS but with the "fresh sound" that Everyday brought out. I also got my choice of free tickets to the Scranton, Hershey or Camden show. Hmmmm....

[dmbfan4ever]

Hey guys,

I have a brief update on the studio situation that came from my source within band management. The band has laid down a total of four tracks that seem like keepers in the recent sessions. I am told at this point that Tim has not signed on to tour this whole summer. They are having fun and trying to push themselves to create their best CD so far. They want it to be as "complex" as BTCS but with the "fresh sound" that Everyday brought out. I also got my choice of free tickets to the Scranton, Hershey or Camden show. Hmmmm....
I want to believe this, and I probably do.....but the bolded just seems too....I don't know

[DirtyDeeds449]

Hey guys,

I have a brief update on the studio situation that came from my source within band management. The band has laid down a total of four tracks that seem like keepers in the recent sessions. I am told at this point that Tim has not signed on to tour this whole summer. They are having fun and trying to push themselves to create their best CD so far. They want it to be as "complex" as BTCS but with the "fresh sound" that Everyday brought out. I also got my choice of free tickets to the Scranton, Hershey or Camden show. Hmmmm....

good god how you tease me. good god how you tease me.

[bubba40]

Hey guys,

I have a brief update on the studio situation that came from my source within band management. The band has laid down a total of four tracks that seem like keepers in the recent sessions. I am told at this point that Tim has not signed on to tour this whole summer. They are having fun and trying to push themselves to create their best CD so far. They want it to be as "complex" as BTCS but with the "fresh sound" that Everyday brought out. I also got my choice of free tickets to the Scranton, Hershey or Camden show. Hmmmm....

:eek This would be awesome...

[Evans]

Hey guys,

I have a brief update on the studio situation that came from my source within band management. The band has laid down a total of four tracks that seem like keepers in the recent sessions. I am told at this point that Tim has not signed on to tour this whole summer. They are having fun and trying to push themselves to create their best CD so far. They want it to be as "complex" as BTCS but with the "fresh sound" that Everyday brought out. I also got my choice of free tickets to the Scranton, Hershey or Camden show. Hmmmm....

Please contact me, I'd like to get front row seats for Camden so put in a good word for me. Thanks.

[Joyride4136]

shiiiiit this is good shit

[PTstoy]

Hey guys,

I have a brief update on the studio situation that came from my source within band management. The band has laid down a total of four tracks that seem like keepers in the recent sessions. I am told at this point that Tim has not signed on to tour this whole summer. They are having fun and trying to push themselves to create their best CD so far. They want it to be as "complex" as BTCS but with the "fresh sound" that Everyday brought out. I also got my choice of free tickets to the Scranton, Hershey or Camden show. Hmmmm....

firsh...if only we could find out what those 4 tracks are..

also, it sounds like tim could and might sign on for the whole summer and just hasnt yet...

[thestand]

I doubt that Tim would play every show. However, there's nothing saying he wouldn't do a majority. I'd say, if I were to put money down right now, the chances of him guesting on more shows than just the TR3 shows are very, very good.

[crushme5]

Hey guys,

I have a brief update on the studio situation that came from my source within band management. The band has laid down a total of four tracks that seem like keepers in the recent sessions. I am told at this point that Tim has not signed on to tour this whole summer. They are having fun and trying to push themselves to create their best CD so far. They want it to be as "complex" as BTCS but with the "fresh sound" that Everyday brought out. I also got my choice of free tickets to the Scranton, Hershey or Camden show. Hmmmm....

thanks for the update! i'm curious if you're heard anything from your source about how the band is interacting with rob cavallo?

[spoot388]

Monkey Man
JTR
Sweet Up & Down
Sister
Crazy Easy
#27
Cornbread
A Dream So Real
Idea of You
Eh Hee
Loving Wings
Sugar Will
Shotgun

I'm telling you, even though we have heard these songs before, this album would be compared to the BIG 3.


While it would be a great album, nobody wants and old album. They are in the studio to make a NEW album. So no matter how badly anybody wants it, that list will NEVER happen.

very likely

Shotgun
IOY
Cornbread
#27
----------
possible

Eh Hee
SUAD
ADSR
Loving Wings
----------
little to no chance

Sugar Will
Crazy Easy
Good Good Time
JTR
Sister

[TobiasClown]

Hey guys,

I have a brief update on the studio situation that came from my source within band management. The band has laid down a total of four tracks that seem like keepers in the recent sessions. I am told at this point that Tim has not signed on to tour this whole summer. They are having fun and trying to push themselves to create their best CD so far. They want it to be as "complex" as BTCS but with the "fresh sound" that Everyday brought out. I also got my choice of free tickets to the Scranton, Hershey or Camden show. Hmmmm....


great news, thanks! any idea if these four tracks are songs that we previously have heard, or are they four completely new songs?

[dmbfan4ever]

great news, thanks! any idea if these four tracks are songs that we previously have heard, or are they four completely new songs?
let's all start guessing on the four tracks!

my prediction..considering Tim is going on tour in like 2 days....

Cornbread
#27
A Dream So Real
New Song

[Panther41]

In response to some "dream setlists" I keep seeing:

There is no conceivable way "Eh Hee" will be on the new album. Dave released it solo, it sold a bunch of copies on iTunes, with a VIDEO no less. It's a done deal.

[dmbfan4ever]

In response to some "dream setlists" I keep seeing:

There is no conceivable way "Eh Hee" will be on the new album. Dave released it solo, it sold a bunch of copies on iTunes, with a VIDEO no less. It's a done deal.
I hope so :evil

[Panther41]

I hope so :evil

And in the same vein of "I hope so :evil "... having a studio cut of Sugar Will would kick tremendous quantities of ass.

[spoot388]

In response to some "dream setlists" I keep seeing:

There is no conceivable way "Eh Hee" will be on the new album. Dave released it solo, it sold a bunch of copies on iTunes, with a VIDEO no less. It's a done deal.


If its supposed to be Dave solo, then why did he add all the other instruments? And why was it played full band at like 80% of the shows this past year?

The rationalizing that it won't be there because it was "released" already has nothing to back itself. There is no way you can say that by putting it on itunes already that it won't be on the album.

[warehouseguy]

VERY GOOD NEWS... so 4 new songs + 5-7 already w/ good promise (shotgun, cornbread, 27, idea of you, (sweet up & down), (loving wings)...

hot!

[Panther41]

If its supposed to be Dave solo, then why did he add all the other instruments? And why was it played full band at like 80% of the shows this past year?

The rationalizing that it won't be there because it was "released" already has nothing to back itself. There is no way you can say that by putting it on itunes already that it won't be on the album.

He added instruments because it sounded good.

They played it because it's a decent song and fits with the band's style.

If it had been some polished-up live recording for sale on iTunes, I would say "Sure, maybe a studio version is coming."

But the version released was a studio cut, and it's already gotten wide exposure. Why would they re-cut it in the studio again? How often do you see artists do that?

[bubba40]

VERY GOOD NEWS... so 4 new songs + 5-7 already w/ good promise (shotgun, cornbread, 27, idea of you, (sweet up & down), (loving wings)...

hot!

:D

Could you expound on this good sir?

[warehouseguy]

:D

Could you expound on this good sir?

oh that does not mean those 5-7 are set... im just saying we have 5-7 w/ strong prospects + 4 new songs said to be done... people who were worrying about the album finishing before tour (or for the most part) seem to have reason now to chill...

glad to know the studio is going well

[bubba40]

oh that does not mean those 5-7 are set... im just saying we have 5-7 w/ strong prospects + 4 new songs said to be done... people who were worrying about the album finishing before tour (or for the most part) seem to have reason now to chill...

glad to know the studio is going well

Is it looking like the album will be finished after the tour?

And those 5-7 are SUAD, Loving Wings, #27, IOY, Cornbread, and maybe a couple more?

[warehouseguy]

Is it looking like the album will be finished after the tour?

And those 5-7 are SUAD, Loving Wings, #27, IOY, Cornbread, and maybe a couple more?

no no no... this is just my speculation here based on the post a few back.... im just saying they really do have a solid group of songs that they could crank out reasonably by tour time...

[bubba40]

no no no... this is just my speculation here based on the post a few back.... im just saying they really do have a solid group of songs that they could crank out reasonably by tour time...

Oh okay.

[TobiasClown]

i kind of doubt those four finished tracks are all new songs though, but you never know

[spoot388]

He added instruments because it sounded good.

They played it because it's a decent song and fits with the band's style.

If it had been some polished-up live recording for sale on iTunes, I would say "Sure, maybe a studio version is coming."

But the version released was a studio cut, and it's already gotten wide exposure. Why would they re-cut it in the studio again? How often do you see artists do that?


And Dave played all those instruments. Like THAT was a fully polished version of the song? There were two reasons why that song was released- 1)to help sell Radio City and 2) Dave wanted to direct a music video.

[bubba40]

i kind of doubt those four finished tracks are all new songs though, but you never know

I agree. I'd bet some are old(er) songs.

[TobiasClown]

although i kind of do agree with Panther41 in that just because the band wrote parts on eh hee doesnt mean it will be on the album. i mean will some devil be on the new album because it now has parts with the full band? obviously not

[TobiasClown]

do you guys think the songs from this past tour will be reworked at all if they are put on the album?

or do you think they will just be the same arrangements with a couple added fills by tim?

[bubba40]

do you guys think the songs from this past tour will be reworked at all if they are put on the album?

or do you think they will just be the same arrangements with a couple added fills by tim?

I'd be ready to guarantee that they'll be reworked at least slightly.

[dmb5570]

do you guys think the songs from this past tour will be reworked at all if they are put on the album?

or do you think they will just be the same arrangements with a couple added fills by tim?


As much as i like them, i hope that they get reworked for the studio. Usually good things happen when they take the time and put osme effort into songs already played.

[pig494]

Ya I hope Shotgun is reworked into an "album worthy" version. Probably my favorite new song just needs some more structure..Also I think #27 has potential and I like Idea of you. Honestly I love the chorus of Cornbread and the riff along with the jams. But seriously, Cornbread? I may get hated but a song about cornbread doesnt remind me of Dave..... I'm rambling, most likely I'll like anything they put out and enjoy the shows I attend..

Peace

[crushme5]

Ya I hope Shotgun is reworked into an "album worthy" version. Probably my favorite new song just needs some more structure..Also I think #27 has potential and I like Idea of you. Honestly I love the chorus of Cornbread and the riff along with the jams. But seriously, Cornbread? I may get hated but a song about cornbread doesnt remind me of Dave.....