The case for Blue Water

[kyledmb]

There is no doubt that this new album is viewed by many, including the band members themselves, as a chance to reawaken the ideas and fomulas that have yielded the band's best work. This formula has been a wide range of elements such as personnel (Tim Reynolds) and diverse song selection - mixing some old, with some newer road tested material, with some brand new fresh studio-born tracks.

So here it is, Blue Water Baboon Farm, in all its faded glory - reawakened in the hearts and minds of the band by this very community. Stefan, still to this day, understands the power of the song via his blogs and myspace. So much so that in the walls of that old, defunct building near "the center of the universe" - the song was given new life. So much so that Dave himself has traveled to employ the services of an old friend to keep the song true to its vintage form. Along with other dynamic tunes that will share album space with Blue Water, such as Loving Wings and Shotgun, a very vivid motif has been painted for us of what the new album will be like.

[dadledog]

Prove it.

[Swizz2007]

It's not going to happen. I promise.

[Gravedigger789]

No way. I mean don't get me wrong, I'd love to see that beautiful title of "Blue Water" on the back of the new album, but I highly doubt this would ever happen.

[hobbesthecat]

There is no doubt that this new album is viewed by many, including the band members themselves, as a chance to reawaken the ideas and fomulas that have yielded the band's best work. This formula has been a wide range of elements such as personnel (Tim Reynolds) and diverse song selection - mixing some old, with some newer road tested material, with some brand new fresh studio-born tracks.

So here it is, Blue Water Baboon Farm, in all its faded glory - reawakened in the hearts and minds of the band by this very community. Stefan, still to this day, understands the power of the song via his blogs and myspace. So much so that in the walls of that old, defunct building near "the center of the universe" - the song was given new life. So much so that Dave himself has traveled to employ the services of an old friend to keep the song true to its vintage form. Along with other dynamic tunes that will share album space with Blue Water, such as Loving Wings and Shotgun, a very vivid motif has been painted for us of what the new album will be like.
what the heck does this even mean?

[kyledmb]

what the heck does this even mean?

are you serious?

Maybe i should have just posted this:

I think Blue Water has a good shot of being recorded in the studio this current session.

[hobbesthecat]

are you serious?

Maybe i should have just posted this:

I think Blue Water has a good shot of being recorded in the studio this current session.
i'm sorry but what EXACTLY makes you think this?

[dadledog]

are you serious?

Maybe i should have just posted this:

I think Blue Water has a good shot of being recorded in the studio this current session.
Just curious, but whats makes you belive this? The rumour that Dave contacted and a fellow guitart playing friend to contribute to an old song?

It just seemed, from your op that you had additional "Seattle knowledge" on the subject. Or is this just a shot in the dark, hope on a whim guess?

[kyledmb]

Just curious, but whats makes you belive this? The rumour that Dave contacted and a fellow guitart playing friend to contribute to an old song?

It just seemed, from your op that you had additional "Seattle knowledge" on the subject. Or is this just a shot in the dark, hope on a whim guess?


its not a whim. i was simply trying to connect the dots with, what i think, is extensive evidence for this to become a reality.

[bubba40]

Seems like a LOT of leaps of faith. That being said, we'd all of course be beyond thrilled if it were worked on during these sessions.

[kyledmb]

Seems like a LOT of leaps of faith. That being said, we'd all of course be beyond thrilled if it were worked on during these sessions.

for some reason...i have a very, very stong feeling that the topic has been at least discussed at Litho. Maybe by the prompting of Stefan.

[DerekJTR2]

for WHAT reason is the key. Did you overhear a coffee shop convo? haha

[cryfreedom4136]

I heard Spotlight was going to be on the album too

[hobbesthecat]

for some reason...i have a very, very stong feeling that the topic has been at least discussed at Litho. Maybe by the prompting of Stefan.

what exactly gives you this feeling???

[kyledmb]

for WHAT reason is the key. Did you overhear a coffee shop convo? haha

it was over a tall cappuccino with derek jeter and alex rodriguez (who are both huge dmb fans)

[kyledmb]

what exactly gives you this feeling???

this guy that works for rob cavallo gave me the feeling.

[bibby1044]

Speaking of this song I only have one D&T version, so can someone up a good version either D&T or full band for me? Thanks.

[kyledmb]

Speaking of this song I only have one D&T version, so can someone up a good version either D&T or full band for me? Thanks.

go check out this guys website:

www.sethsoutherland.com

[chr35919]

Speaking of this song I only have one D&T version, so can someone up a good version either D&T or full band for me? Thanks.http://cuppingthesky.org/shared/audio

i'd grab 1-26-1993

[raid24]

hopin you are right kyle- im not gonna get on you for keeping the faith!!!

[kyledmb]

hopin you are right kyle- im not gonna get on you for keeping the faith!!!

amen to that!

don't shoot the optimistic ones!:thumbsup :thumbsup

[Mateo2k]

Didn't dave also say in an interview that he wants to drive away the entire "old" fan base with this next album, and start fresh

[DirtyDeeds449]

I think that the chances of seeing this song again are extremely slim to none.

[CapnHani06]

but really...what makes you truly think this? i very much respect you on this site, and i've never seen you just say things for shock value. this said, i would like for you to provide a little more insight into what you're thinking here.

please?

[kyledmb]

but really...what makes you truly think this? i very much respect you on this site, and i've never seen you just say things for shock value. this said, i would like for you to provide a little more insight into what you're thinking here.

please?

well, first thank you...and as far as my intend. i have a good friend on here and we talk for hours on end about dmb on the phone, email, etc. We got to discussing if Blue Water was realistic based on the position of the band, knowledge of the songwith the members, current wind direction...hahaha...

i've really come to think its not out of the question. Heathcliff? Thats out of the question. Blue Water? Well...

We know that this song is still on their minds, Fonz knows it. And i think the timing is right with the bands career to dive back into their past a bit. I think this album will be a mix of old, very old and new.

Other than that this thread was just to consider the possibility a bit more deeper than the yes/no/youre a shithead...no youre shithead stuff

[2step2much]

Like the guy above, I completely agree with you making this thread.

But, is it your reasoning/opinion supporting this, or have you heard about it from someone who might have a connection to the studio album. I didn't know if "this guy that works for Cavallo gave me the feeling" was sarcastic ...I assumed it might have been, but am not sure.

[~Crashintome89~]

No way. The song is about suicide, really dark lyrics, no way is it coming back.

And you know what, I don't want to see it back.

[sir iggius]

not gonna happen. I absolutely love this song, but it's not going to happen.

[NumberForTOne]

i've really come to think its not out of the question. Heathcliff? Thats out of the question. Blue Water? Well...
i think the timing is right with the bands career to dive back into their past a bit.

I follow the logic of this. The fact that its on Fonzi's mind is the only true chance at all. BTW, I've been obsessed w/Heathcliff recently. I wake up every morning with it in my head. (Not that thats a bad thing).

[dadledog]

I'm not trying to be a dick, I'm just curious if you are saying this because of feeling or because you heard something. That's all.

[chr35919]

7-3-03
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dS8b2ZbfWzM

6-XX-1992
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hG2DwbA52XI

[Musicology200]

The band has been known to go back and record old material way past when its been written (see Get In Line, recorded for Crash, BTCS, and the Lillywhite sessions i believe). Given the circumstances that it was #1 on Stefans poll and still not picked to be played and the fact that they seem to be reaching a bit back to try old stunes like Loving Wings in the studio, if there was an album BWBF was recorded for, this ones as close as its gonna get. Theres always the possibility that it could get recorded or toyed with in the studio only to never see the light of day too.

That being said, its a huge stretch... the only things we can cling to in hope are...

1. Stefans reaction to his poll results and interest in the song.
2. Daves teases and D&T performances of the song in the last 5 years
3. The bands past history of recording old songs for potential inclusion on forthcoming albums (Get In Line)

[MistreatedLewis]

There is no doubt that this new album is viewed by many, including the band members themselves, as a chance to reawaken the ideas and fomulas that have yielded the band's best work. This formula has been a wide range of elements such as personnel (Tim Reynolds) and diverse song selection - mixing some old, with some newer road tested material, with some brand new fresh studio-born tracks.

So here it is, Blue Water Baboon Farm, in all its faded glory - reawakened in the hearts and minds of the band by this very community. Stefan, still to this day, understands the power of the song via his blogs and myspace. So much so that in the walls of that old, defunct building near "the center of the universe" - the song was given new life. So much so that Dave himself has traveled to employ the services of an old friend to keep the song true to its vintage form. Along with other dynamic tunes that will share album space with Blue Water, such as Loving Wings and Shotgun, a very vivid motif has been painted for us of what the new album will be like.

I adore BW, but let's wait until we know for CERTAIN that a) this band as a studio force is back and b) Cavallo is adequate to the task.

[Busted/Stuff]

That being said, its a huge stretch... the only things we can cling to in hope are...



"Help us, Obi-Wan Kenobi; you're our only hope"

:bounce

[clcfball11]

I was 18th row center at that chicago show in 03 at the last time it was played. I regret to say that I was only 15 years old and a total newb, and had no idea the greatness I was witnessing :( That being said, Id shit my pants if this song made the album.

[chrisjames]

Can I get the 7-03-03 show anywhere? Please help, PM me! Thanks.

[ji/\/\ithing]

No way. The song is about suicide, really dark lyrics, no way is it coming back.

And you know what, I don't want to see it back.
:thumbsup
i think it's better left in the archives, i'm afraid of what they might do to it, that it wouldn't be as good as it was. and some things are better left in the past, even if they were great and beautiful. i would much rather see one or two of the '04 songs, or DIKG, than see a sub-par BW come out.

[ji/\/\ithing]

Can I get the 7-03-03 show anywhere? Please help, PM me! Thanks.
dreamingtree.org is where i got it. i no longer have the lossless of the concert, but if you just want the BW i can PM it to you.

[marco j]

All these songs have the same tone and would work well on an album together.....

Crazy Easy
Shotgun
Sugarwill
Blue Water
Sweet Up and Down
Loving Wings
JTR
Kill The King
Break Free (yes even this one)

[bibby1044]

All these songs have the same tone and would work well on an album together.....

Crazy Easy
Shotgun
Sugarwill
Blue Water
Sweet Up and Down
Loving Wings
JTR
Kill The King
Break Free (yes even this one)
I understand all except Break Free, mind explaining?

I hope they take some of the recent songs and just throw us a B-Side like TWY.

[marco j]

I understand all except Break Free, mind explaining?

I hope they take some of the recent songs and just throw us a B-Side like TWY.


Break Free surrounded by those is the single dirty sex song, it kind of completes the sex, life , death, circle.

[dmbmuskie]

Break Free surrounded by those is the single dirty sex song, it kind of completes the sex, life , death, circle.

I agree, but it needs some serious work.

I hate the song as is, but I always thought it could be really good with some solid and varied lyrics and some additional mucial sections.

[jmdt52]

:thumbsup
i think it's better left in the archives, i'm afraid of what they might do to it, that it wouldn't be as good as it was. and some things are better left in the past, even if they were great and beautiful. i would much rather see one or two of the '04 songs, or DIKG, than see a sub-par BW come out.

I can't agree with you more on this, Blue Water is a daily staple for me, usually the remastered off AM 5 Vol. 1, because of the way Boyd tears it up. I can't see this song translating as well on a studio album, especially since its been years since last played.

[PIG36]

will. not. happen. it really would be a tradgedy if they did bring out a sub-par version.

[marco j]

I agree, but it needs some serious work.

I hate the song as is, but I always thought it could be really good with some solid and varied lyrics and some additional mucial sections.

Hey I hate it too, I was just pointing out that it fits.:shrug

[hobbesthecat]

will. not. happen. it really would be a tradgedy if they did bring out a sub-par version.
yea this just has zero chance of happening...only see it during d&t sets nowadays

[Panther41]

I disagree. I think anything's a possibility at this point. We don't know what the band's philosophy is going into this album. And it's not a song like HHW that Dave might not even remember playing, it's made an appearance in recent years. If they capture a really fantastic cut of it, they may stick it on as a bonus track or something. It's too cool of a song to never get the studio treatment.

[jayman414]

What if BW got used for an intro to the cd, or even the first song and faded out after dave finishes the last lines. After the very last song we get a reprisal similar to how the Last Stop is done on BTCS. I think that would be a great way to incorporate this song (if it is used on this next cd).

[Pig17]

I heard Spotlight was going to be on the album too

:eek:eek:eek:eek:eek:eek

[JaJunk]

There's probably a case for every song dave has never recorded. Blue Water would make an amazing album closer.

[Busted/Stuff]

There's probably a case for every song dave has never recorded. Blue Water would make an amazing album closer.

I think Loving Wings would make a better closer though...

[kyledmb]

I think Loving Wings would make a better closer though...

word.

Loving Wings ~ w/extended Roi solo outro and lots of airy percussion clocking in at no less than 7 minutes to close out the album is something i could really get into!:thumbsup

[bibby1044]

I think Loving Wings would make a better closer though...
If Blue Water was on it, Loving Wings to open the album. That way your opening the album with love. Then working the songs in an order all the way to Blue Water closing which acts in the same vein as Spoon did for BTCS, ending the album with the darker songs.

[Busted/Stuff]

Who knows, the band could be disregarding the song entirely also...

[devilandthelord]

I would smack my momma if Blue Water came back.

[Busted/Stuff]

I would smack my momma if Blue Water came back.


Now the real question is, what would you do if Get in line appeared? hahah:monkey

[BigEyedFerg]

Blue Water would make an amazing album closer.


It's such a depressing song though... :(

I mean, it's beautiful, but it seems like it'd be so heavy and depressing that it would leave people (who aren't familiar with the song) completely confused and, to be frank, confused as hell at the end of the disc. BTCS ended with a few darker songs, but then the Last Stop Reprise ended the album with a glimpse of hope and soothing bliss

[JAMILL112]

doubt it, they havent even played the full version since what...95?

[Branty]

I think I have heard Blue Water a few times and I like it. I think it would be good on an album, but I don't think that it will be on the album, no real reason other than it has been a while. In a way I don't want to know if it will be on the album. I want the track list to be a surprise when I first listen to it. Although somehow I think that might be difficult.

[born 1991]

I thoroughly enjoy Blue Water.

[raid24]

I was 18th row center at that chicago show in 03 at the last time it was played. I regret to say that I was only 15 years old and a total newb, and had no idea the greatness I was witnessing :( That being said, Id shit my pants if this song made the album.




:lol i was in the same situation - the was my first show, i was in the lawn - i only owned and knew busted stuff and crash.... and some singles, i actually did know dreaming tree and was thrilled to hear it that night but man totally wish i could go back and re-live that show being the fan that i am now :BANG

[Busted/Stuff]

Gotta loves Boyd's crazy screeching on the track...