Monkey Man possibility on new album!!!

[RJBorg41]

I would not be suprised if "Monkey Man" would make the new album. They previously said that they would be re-working old songs recorded in past studio sessions when all the new album news started, and with Dave playing the Veilette guitar (the small guitar) the sound from the Veilette would really sound good with "Monkey Man" and would not be suprised if they rework that song just a thought I wanted to throw out.

[kyledmb]

I would not be suprised if "Monkey Man" would make the new album. They previously said that they would be re-working old songs recorded in past studio sessions when all the new album news started, and with Dave playing the Veilette guitar (the small guitar) the sound from the Veilette would really sound good with "Monkey Man" and would not be suprised if they rework that song just a thought I wanted to throw out.

interesting thought. i think there are a large contingency of us that feel anything is possible. welcome to the crew!

[RJBorg41]

Thanks Kyle

[Pig17]

Monkey Man is a great, great, great song, but there is only one problem. There is a theory that the Monkey Man main riff...


Verse (Great monkey man...)
E:-5---5-5-5-5-5-5--
B:-5h6-6-5-6-6-5-6--
G:-5h7-7-5-7-7-5-7-- x8
D:------------------
A:------------------
E:------------------...actually got turned into the So Right riff during the Everyday sessions...


Intro/VerseMutes can be played as 7th fret on E string to add some depth
B:---------------------------------------------------
F#:-7h8--8--7--8--7--8--------------------------------
D:-7h9--9--7--9--7--9--x-x-x-x----9h11--9h11--9h11/--
A:---------------------x-x-x-x----x-----x-----x------
E:---------------------x-x-x-x----7-----7-----7------
B:---------------------------------------------------
(4) (4) (_4_)But hey, you never know.

[dmb5570]

isnt it realy impossible to say that monkey man could back, because wasnt it said that by the end of hte sessions it wasnt even known at monkey man, it was golden monkey.

[Swizz2007]

^I don't see what that has to do with it coming back or not

But yeah, this is never coming back

[soprano15104]

I can't see this song ever coming back. I think the songs they were talking about reworking are songs we havent heard yet.

[dmb5570]

it evolved, it obviously was no longer the song from tLWS, maybe it changed a little, maybe a lot.

[jpgreen]

isnt it realy impossible to say that monkey man could back, because wasnt it said that by the end of hte sessions it wasnt even known at monkey man, it was golden monkey.


I thought it started off as Golden Monkey but changed into Monkey Man.

[spoot388]

the band supposedly saying that they are working on an "old song" does not mean the MM has any chance at all. there are A LOT of "old" songs that have a much better chance. I would be speechless if this song wound up on the album, and then I would think "why?" because there are a bunch of better songs they could use.

[warehouseguy]

DOUBTFUL...

sweet up, jtr, maybe some of 04 songs have a chance (loving wings too), but not a shred of evidence, or any hint that monkey man has been considered in years... not even teased...

tack on the so right borrowing of music from monkey man, and id say again, w/ a resounding no, not a chance...

that said, this band can always surprise :)

[bubba40]

Monkey Man is a great, great, great song, but there is only one problem. There is a theory that the Monkey Man main riff...


Verse (Great monkey man...)
E:-5---5-5-5-5-5-5--
B:-5h6-6-5-6-6-5-6--
G:-5h7-7-5-7-7-5-7-- x8
D:------------------
A:------------------
E:------------------...actually got turned into the So Right riff during the Everyday sessions...


Intro/VerseMutes can be played as 7th fret on E string to add some depth
B:---------------------------------------------------
F#:-7h8--8--7--8--7--8--------------------------------
D:-7h9--9--7--9--7--9--x-x-x-x----9h11--9h11--9h11/--
A:---------------------x-x-x-x----x-----x-----x------
E:---------------------x-x-x-x----7-----7-----7------
B:---------------------------------------------------
(4) (4) (_4_)But hey, you never know.

Didn't Jake put this rumor to bed a while back? I started a thread asking if So Right evolved from Monkey Man.

[Hershey2004]

I'll vote YES on the side of optimism and how awesome it would be to have Monkey Man back in rotation. That said, I'll push this argument a little further...

Today I realized the band must be in a "Lillywhite" mood over the past year or so. First, we get a return of SUAD. Completely random, totally awesome, but does it signal a shift in the band's mindset...? Maybe. Then in 2008, we've gotten some pretty LWS-heavy material in a short span of time. First LT11 is a classic 2000 show. Not a ton of LWS-specific songs on there, but the time frame is right. Then the latest WH disc features some pretty strong LWS/BS material (Ditch, Fish>Bartender). This is probably VERY reaching in terms of a theory, but I do find the focus on that era (intentional or not) to be quite interesting.

[akf091]

first of all..i just want to introduce myself...i finally made the treck over from nancies (which is so dead that it pretty much doesnt exist anymore). With that said...as much as i love the song..i really don't see any chance of moneky man making an appearence on this album. when they said reworking older songs i figured that they would rework songs that they play already. Assumnig it didnt evolve into so right monkey man has never been played outside of the liilywhite seesions so i see no reason why it would be included on this album.

[bradshaw06]

nope, not gonna happen

[born 1991]

Didn't Jake put this rumor to bed a while back? I started a thread asking if So Right evolved from Monkey Man.

There are quite a few songs with similar parts in the riff. Off the top of my head, there's Billies/LIOG/Grey Street and Blue Water/BEF. So it could be just coincidence. Also, songs that evolve are pretty similar to the previous version. After Her sounds like Satellite, Any Noise/Anti Noise sounds like Say Goodbye, and Leave Me Praying sounds like DDTW, but Monkey Man does not sound like So Right.

LWS version is good enough for me, but if it's on the next album, it'll probably be played live too. :cool :thumbsup

[vklugf]

Monkey Man = MacHead

[TGaucho]

I'll vote YES on the side of optimism and how awesome it would be to have Monkey Man back in rotation. That said, I'll push this argument a little further...

Today I realized the band must be in a "Lillywhite" mood over the past year or so. First, we get a return of SUAD. Completely random, totally awesome, but does it signal a shift in the band's mindset...? Maybe. Then in 2008, we've gotten some pretty LWS-heavy material in a short span of time. First LT11 is a classic 2000 show. Not a ton of LWS-specific songs on there, but the time frame is right. Then the latest WH disc features some pretty strong LWS/BS material (Ditch, Fish>Bartender). This is probably VERY reaching in terms of a theory, but I do find the focus on that era (intentional or not) to be quite interesting.
:thumbsup interesting. Hadn't really put that together myself, but i can see a semi-solid theme there

[kyledmb]

Monkey Man = MacHead


:eek :eek :eek

[hmich176]

Hey, if they bring this back, they should bring #36 with it!

[BruceW]

and btw there is no way monkey man turned into so right...there are NO similarities other than the hook idea...they are played on COMPLETELY different guitars (12 string and baritone), they have NO lyrics that are remotely similar, and the guitar riff isn't even that similar...not played at all the same nor do they sound the same etc etc...its just no way i mean if it did then i just could never see it

[Robby~C]

I'd say anything is fair game.

But I think they redid all the songs they wanted to with Busted Stuff. everything else will just be seen live (JTR). . . If we can be so lucky, again.

[bubba40]

I'd say anything is fair game.

But I think they redid all the songs they wanted to with Busted Stuff. everything else will just be seen live (JTR). . . If we can be so lucky, again.

I think SUAD has a chance on this new album, though.

[Robby~C]

and btw there is no way monkey man turned into so right...there are NO similarities other than the hook idea...they are played on COMPLETELY different guitars (12 string and baritone), they have NO lyrics that are remotely similar, and the guitar riff isn't even that similar...not played at all the same nor do they sound the same etc etc...its just no way i mean if it did then i just could never see it

yeah its like saying #27 came from Neil's Down By the River . . . Same chords for both verse and chorus (only difference . . Em = #27 Changes to a Em7 = DBTR)

[Robby~C]

I think SUAD has a chance on this new album, though.

but wouldn't ya have to think JTR has the same shot as SUAD?

[bubba40]

but wouldn't ya have to think JTR has the same shot as SUAD?

No I'd say SUAD has a much better shot, as it was semi-regularly played last summer and more importantly was played in the studio by the band this past fall, along with Loving Wings, Shotgun, and (:( ) Cornbread.

[acost3]

isnt it realy impossible to say that monkey man could back, because wasnt it said that by the end of hte sessions it wasnt even known at monkey man, it was golden monkey.

I don't think the name change (what we think the name is and what the band thinks the name is) would have anything to do with whether or not the song itself comes back.

I can't see this song ever coming back. I think the songs they were talking about reworking are songs we havent heard yet.

I agree to disagree. I definitely think SUAD has a legit shot of coming back and I bet that another song that was scraped in some session or another, or a song on lillywhite that didn't make it on busted stuff makes it on.

it evolved, it obviously was no longer the song from tLWS, maybe it changed a little, maybe a lot.

I haven't heard any song yet that resembles Monkey Man or anything that sounds like Monkey Man in any way shape or form. Monkey Man is extremely unique and for it to evolve into something that doesn't sound like it at all unlikely.

the band supposedly saying that they are working on an "old song" does not mean the MM has any chance at all. there are A LOT of "old" songs that have a much better chance. I would be speechless if this song wound up on the album, and then I would think "why?" because there are a bunch of better songs they could use.

Monkey Man is so raw and has so much potential. I would argue Monkey Man is one of the better songs off of lillywhite. Its a top 10 song out of all DMB songs for me.

I'd say anything is fair game.

But I think they redid all the songs they wanted to with Busted Stuff. everything else will just be seen live (JTR). . . If we can be so lucky, again.

We can only hope anything is fair game. I would drop dead if Blue Water ended up on this album haha. If only if only.

[jmdt52]

It'd be cool, but if it happens we can't really expect the same song we have from tLWS, just look at how much those songs changed on Busted Stuff. Different producers are going to inevitably have different opinions on what a finalized product should be. Cavallo is NOT Lillywhite, so I'm not too hopeful.

[som3d3vil34]

I really dont think Monkey Man turned into So Right. Yea, the riff is similar, but they are still very different. Dave has a lot of similar guitar riffs.

[SeanMH]

no way.

[bigeyedfish190]

The riffs have a very distinct rhythmic correlation with one another. (just the first few strums) I think that So Right did, in a rhythmic sense, evolve from monkey man. It fits the timeline. However, I also believe that it was subconcious on dave's part, which is why Monkey Man was tried again in the busted stuff sessions. I don't think he would consider using a song for busted stuff that he had already put on everyday in the form of So Right.

That being said, he did reuse that part of Little Thing for An' Another Thing after using it in DOOF, so I'm quite open to the idea that I'm wrong.


To the op: I'd be ecstatic if it were reworked for the album, especially on the veilette like you mentioned, but I have no faith at all in Monkey Man making the album.

Where did we hear that they are trying old songs, btw? I hadn't heard this rumor.

[drty snchz]

so its never been played- we wouldnt even know it if we didnt have the lilly's

oh and it wasnt on either busted stuff, some devil or stand up but now....8 years later its going to be on an album:lol

[MistreatedLewis]

so its never been played- we wouldnt even know it if we didnt have the lilly's

oh and it wasnt on either busted stuff, some devil or stand up but now....8 years later its going to be on an album:lol

If we didn't have the Lillies, Monkey Man = Machead

[aoeiifreak]

This doesn't have to do with Monkey Man specifically, but when Rob Cavallo produced Jewel's new "back to her roots" record he used a LOT of material from her past...maybe he'll use the same strategy for DMB?

[MistreatedLewis]

This doesn't have to do with Monkey Man specifically, but when Rob Cavallo produced Jewel's new "back to her roots" record he used a LOT of material from her past...maybe he'll use the same strategy for DMB?

Is that true? Which songs, I'm just curious

I have such a crush on her

[aoeiifreak]

Yeah, it's true, and I know because I also have a crush on her :lol

The old songs were Fragile Heart, Satellite, Long Slow Slide, Stephenville Tx, and 1000 Miles Away. Stephenville Tx was AMAZING in my opinion, and the other ones were good as well. Hopefully Cavallo has the same thing in mind for DMB :thumbsup

[coldengrey12]

I'll vote YES on the side of optimism and how awesome it would be to have Monkey Man back in rotation. That said, I'll push this argument a little further...

Today I realized the band must be in a "Lillywhite" mood over the past year or so. First, we get a return of SUAD. Completely random, totally awesome, but does it signal a shift in the band's mindset...? Maybe. Then in 2008, we've gotten some pretty LWS-heavy material in a short span of time. First LT11 is a classic 2000 show. Not a ton of LWS-specific songs on there, but the time frame is right. Then the latest WH disc features some pretty strong LWS/BS material (Ditch, Fish>Bartender). This is probably VERY reaching in terms of a theory, but I do find the focus on that era (intentional or not) to be quite interesting.

Didn't SUAD return because it finished No. 2 to Blue Water on Fonz's IZStyle site?

[happyfeller]

OK, forgive me for gushing like a kid... I can't think of a better song than Monkey Man to come back - this song has it all - lyrics that make fun of George W Bush (who else could be the Monkey Man? - a greedy, self interested leader - the monkey man with the great big monkey plan.... the one that gotta have it all - .. what will I tell my grandson's grandsons?) and an ending chorus that evokes global warming and ecological disaster. Lets see if I can remember it all:
Take a walk
Cross the Ice
Melts too quickly
To reach the other side
It's cold in here
but the sun shines bright
it warms this up well
the tide is rising higher
look its strange
floating by
looks just like ones that
go out, and ride oh I will
Golden age
Golden years
These golden days
seems have us hypnotized or blinded...
Followed by the fuckin' sweetest sax solo ever... That could go on for a half hour on stage - Forgive me, but I love this fuckin' song - it keeps sneaking onto compilation disks - I play it on guitar all the time.. This song is one of the most brilliant and insightful songs, IMHO... you do feel the humbleness, don't you? Shit. There I go, sounding like I'm 18 y.o. again... HAH!

[bigeyedfish190]

OK, forgive me for gushing like a kid... I can't think of a better song than Monkey Man to come back - this song has it all - lyrics that make fun of George W Bush (who else could be the Monkey Man?

it was written in end of 99, 00 right? I spose it could be, but I wouldn't band on it.

Anyone with more insight on this?

[jayman414]

OK, forgive me for gushing like a kid... I can't think of a better song than Monkey Man to come back - this song has it all - lyrics that make fun of George W Bush (who else could be the Monkey Man? - a greedy, self interested leader - the monkey man with the great big monkey plan.... the one that gotta have it all - .. what will I tell my grandson's grandsons?) and an ending chorus that evokes global warming and ecological disaster. Lets see if I can remember it all:
Take a walk
Cross the Ice
Melts too quickly
To reach the other side
It's cold in here
but the sun shines bright
it warms this up well
the tide is rising higher
look its strange
floating by
looks just like ones that
go out, and ride oh I will
Golden age
Golden years
These golden days
seems have us hypnotized or blinded...
Followed by the fuckin' sweetest sax solo ever... That could go on for a half hour on stage - Forgive me, but I love this fuckin' song - it keeps sneaking onto compilation disks - I play it on guitar all the time.. This song is one of the most brilliant and insightful songs, IMHO... you do feel the humbleness, don't you? Shit. There I go, sounding like I'm 18 y.o. again... HAH!

Monkey man was not written about Bush, I would say it is more about people in general and how we are greedy.

[Cornbread4041]

Yeah, it's true, and I know because I also have a crush on her :lol

The old songs were Fragile Heart, Satellite, Long Slow Slide, Stephenville Tx, and 1000 Miles Away. Stephenville Tx was AMAZING in my opinion, and the other ones were good as well. Hopefully Cavallo has the same thing in mind for DMB :thumbsup

i love jewel too......if only i could find a girl like that to marry

[RolandsThinny]

OK, forgive me for gushing like a kid... I can't think of a better song than Monkey Man to come back - this song has it all - lyrics that make fun of George W Bush (who else could be the Monkey Man? - a greedy, self interested leader - the monkey man with the great big monkey plan.... the one that gotta have it all - .. what will I tell my grandson's grandsons?) and an ending chorus that evokes global warming and ecological disaster. Lets see if I can remember it all:
Take a walk
Cross the Ice
Melts too quickly
To reach the other side
It's cold in here
but the sun shines bright
it warms this up well
the tide is rising higher
look its strange
floating by
looks just like ones that
go out, and ride oh I will
Golden age
Golden years
These golden days
seems have us hypnotized or blinded...
Followed by the fuckin' sweetest sax solo ever... That could go on for a half hour on stage - Forgive me, but I love this fuckin' song - it keeps sneaking onto compilation disks - I play it on guitar all the time.. This song is one of the most brilliant and insightful songs, IMHO... you do feel the humbleness, don't you? Shit. There I go, sounding like I'm 18 y.o. again... HAH!

The song was written in early 2000. Bush wasn't "elected" until sort of November. I doubt Dave was writing about Bushs environmental policies for Texas.

[DerekJTR2]

I have such a crush on her

Lawnmower teeth or not...I love her

[Branty]

I don't think Monkey Man will be on the new album.

But if it does make it, then awesome. It's a great song.

[Cornbread4041]

maybe jewel and dave can do a monkey man duet......

[devilandthelord]

Lawnmower teeth or not...I love her

That's right. To me, as long as she doesn't smile too much, Jewel is one of the hottest chicks around.
She's got a phenomenal body too.
She is in my top 10 fantasy bang list.

[dmbfan101]

There are quite a few songs with similar parts in the riff. Off the top of my head, there's Billies/LIOG/Grey Street

don't forget to add Granny, Hold Me Down and Lover Lay Down in this category :goat



yeah its like saying #27 came from Neil's Down By the River . . . Same chords for both verse and chorus (only difference . . Em = #27 Changes to a Em7 = DBTR)


actually, i really think #27 did come from Down By the River.... Dave got realllllly into DBTR at the end of '06, and played it quite a few times with TR on tour and then both nights in Vegas. i think he just loved Neil's simplicity of it and it inspired him to make his own DBTR, and #27 is what we got!!it's a household name

[firedancer45]

he always plays his stuff live before he releases it. do u think that he is just going to do the opposite this time just for kicks. or is cornbreak and all that stuff he has been playing gonna try to be thrown in there since its his number 1 touring song and all. but i dont see monkey man ever showing its face...really..ever unless dave just wants to blow us all away of course :)

[warehouseguy]

I would not be suprised if "Monkey Man" would make the new album. They previously said that they would be re-working old songs recorded in past studio sessions when all the new album news started, and with Dave playing the Veilette guitar (the small guitar) the sound from the Veilette would really sound good with "Monkey Man" and would not be suprised if they rework that song just a thought I wanted to throw out.


far man other new songs are ahead in the queue for this to be a real possibility...

[sir iggius]

not a chance.

[Holemandaddy]

he always plays his stuff live before he releases it. do u think that he is just going to do the opposite this time just for kicks. or is cornbreak and all that stuff he has been playing gonna try to be thrown in there since its his number 1 touring song and all. but i dont see monkey man ever showing its face...really..ever unless dave just wants to blow us all away of course :)

Most of BTCS was not road tested before the studio sessions.
According to Tour Central (not including Halloween):

Rapunzel was played twice in 1994, then not played again until it was recorded in studio.
Spoon was played once in late 1997.

Everything else originated in the studio sessions

So, not exactly :)

[gryspn41]

Never gonna happen...

Roger

[mcwyffe]

Most of BTCS was not road tested before the studio sessions.
According to Tour Central (not including Halloween):

Rapunzel was played twice in 1994, then not played again until it was recorded in studio.
Spoon was played once in late 1997.

Everything else originated in the studio sessions

So, not exactly :)

pig and ddtw both evolved from songs that had been around. so did pnp, if you count that as a song and not an intro. only 6 came from the studio, if i am not mistaken. 5 were either evolutions or had been played. you probably already knew that but i am just throwing it out there.

[MDrums54]

the band supposedly saying that they are working on an "old song" does not mean the MM has any chance at all. there are A LOT of "old" songs that have a much better chance. I would be speechless if this song wound up on the album, and then I would think "why?" because there are a bunch of better songs they could use.

such as what? imo, monkey man is one of the best musical songs the band ever recorded. that guitar chord is fuckin sweet, and what carter does to it just isnt right.

absolutely shits on any 04 or 06 song if you ask me.

[RSSR]

The band needs to go back to Monkey Man and some of their other unreleased material like Sugar Will, SUAD and GGT both to re-inspire themselves and to re-evaluate whether they want to be taken seriously again by the rest of the musical landscape.

[KitKatRaven41]

The band needs to go back to Monkey Man and some of their other unreleased material like Sugar Will, SUAD and GGT both to re-inspire themselves and to re-evaluate whether they want to be taken seriously again by the rest of the musical landscape.

:thumbsup

monkey man
sweet up and down
jtr
loving wings
crazy easy
good good time
sugar will
shotgun


those would be a pretty good start and then of course some new shit just as good to finish the album

[mgwfall]

I always wondered if monkey man morphed into mother father. Certainly similar themes.

Maybe someone should introduce a greenie group to it. They might take it on as the theme song for global warming........and then dmb might feel compelled to play it!! (& with the oustanding efforts of the tapers, I'd be just as happy if they just played it live a few times & I could listen to the tape).