New studio news!

[Peppermill]

It's so cliche, but I have a friend who I've known since high school who works for a electronics sales/repair company (AVR??) in Seattle. We've always kept in touch but much more now since we both have a love for the band's music. Anyways, I spoke with her earlier today and she informed me that there have been some equipment problems in the studio and as a part of their service team, she was able to go and repair/install some new steinhauser sp?? mics and mixing consoles. Unfortunately, the band wasn't there at the time but an engineer named Steve and Cavallo were. After they finished their work, She was able to talk to this guy Steve as he was checking out everything they had been working on. In short, the album is coming along "spectacular" as Steve put it and the band is excited about the new material they've laid down. Leroi has had more input/influence on this album more so than in the past, Dave is experimenting more with the small guitar and utilizing the piano on some tracks, Stefan has brought in the upright bass (FINALLY!!) Dave and Tim pair off alone on some recording days, but most other days the whole band is there. That's pretty much it. She said she'd let me know if anything else comes up, but I'm thinking that they won't be needed unless something else screws up. Anyways, this is really gearing me up for the tour to see if we can get a tease or a new song or two!!

[DerekJTR2]

Hope we can trust you..

Was the engineers name Steve...Lillywhite perhaps??? :)

[Peppermill]

Hope we can trust you..

Was the engineers name Steve...Lillywhite perhaps??? :)

She didn't say whether it was or wasn't. I just assumed it was someone else working with the band. I think that if it were Steve Lillywhite she'd pass that little tid-bit along to me.

[bradshaw06]

interesting, thanks for the info:)

[DerekJTR2]

I was kidding. It's not Steve Lillywhite, haha

[spoot388]

Interesting.


I'm not liking that Dave on piano bit though. OOMH sucked ass, I don't want another one. Dave needs to stick with guitar and worry about writing good riffs and lyrics.

And the part about the guy saying things were "spectacular", of course he's going to say that. They always do. Its a canned response, just like when someone asks you how you are doing.

[dmbfan4ever]

so I wonder if by Dave utilizing the piano more, that means Butch isn't in the studio?

[born 1991]

This must mean that Kill the King is on the album!

[Caveat Emperor]

I'm not liking that Dave on piano bit though. OOMH sucked ass, I don't want another one. Dave needs to stick with guitar and worry about writing good riffs and lyrics.


"People People" was played mostly on the Piano...

It is theoretically possible for DMB to make a good song with a piano as the focal point.

[DerekJTR2]

Interesting.


I'm not liking that Dave on piano bit though. OOMH sucked ass, I don't want another one. Dave needs to stick with guitar and worry about writing good riffs and lyrics.

And the part about the guy saying things were "spectacular", of course he's going to say that. They always do. Its a canned response, just like when someone asks you how you are doing.

DO NOT START A DEBATE FROM THIS

but I have to make sure this thread is balanced.

OOMH does not suck

[devilandthelord]

Interesting.


I'm not liking that Dave on piano bit though. OOMH sucked ass, I don't want another one. Dave needs to stick with guitar and worry about writing good riffs and lyrics.

And the part about the guy saying things were "spectacular", of course he's going to say that. They always do. Its a canned response, just like when someone asks you how you are doing.


I dunno, when somebody asks me how I am doing, I'm not afraid to say, "Shitty.", if its the truth.
But yeah, with them it probably is the other way, I know what you mean.

[devilandthelord]

DO NOT START A DEBATE FROM THIS

but I have to make sure this thread is balanced.

OOMH does not suck


Yeah it does. Debate over. :D

[bubba40]

so I wonder if by Dave utilizing the piano more, that means Butch isn't in the studio?

Butch is in the studio, this has been confirmed by a number of people.

"People People" was played mostly on the Piano...

It is theoretically possible for DMB to make a good song with a piano as the focal point.

People People was a Peter Griesar tune. But I definitely still see what you're saying.

[DerekJTR2]

We gotta get another video, this is torture

[spoot388]

I dunno, when somebody asks me how I am doing, I'm not afraid to say, "Shitty.", if its the truth.
But yeah, with them it probably is the other way, I know what you mean.


if its friends or family, someone who actually cares about your wellbeing, then ya you'll say the truth. but if its like a business meeting and you are meeting people, you're not going to go into any unnecessary details, so you just give a vague answer. overall, you are likely doing good. you don't have cancer, you weren't evicted from your appartment, your fridge has a cold 6 pack, things could be a lot worse.






as for People People, I've only listened to it a handful of times because i just have no reason to listen to it. its old and never coming back, i've never seen it played, i don't care about it.


and OOMH does in fact suck. there is no way anybody could say that that song is ANYWHERE near the quality of the big 3 + BS

[crushme5]

"Steve" is Steve Harris

[DerekJTR2]

Steve McQueen

[Peppermill]

if its friends or family, someone who actually cares about your wellbeing, then ya you'll say the truth. but if its like a business meeting and you are meeting people, you're not going to go into any unnecessary details, so you just give a vague answer. overall, you are likely doing good. you don't have cancer, you weren't evicted from your appartment, your fridge has a cold 6 pack, things could be a lot worse.






as for People People, I've only listened to it a handful of times because i just have no reason to listen to it. its old and never coming back, i've never seen it played, i don't care about it.


and OOMH does in fact suck. there is no way anybody could say that that song is ANYWHERE near the quality of the big 3 + BS

I agree, since it was more of a business thing who's going to say, "yeah, this session is sucking ass and not headed anywhere worth following etc."
OOMH in my opinion isn't appealing at all to me, but I'm hoping *fingers crossed* that maybe with the upright bass, more leroi/ more leroi influence, dave writing on the piano....we're getting a couple of jazzed-out songs. That's all just wishful thinking

The engineer's name is Steve Miller and my friend's employer is AVL not AVR. All these damn anacronymns get confusing sometimes.

[som3d3vil34]

Steve Harris probably. Not Lillywhite.....come on.

[dmbphan041]

Steven Tyler?

[TGaucho]

thank you very much for the info. That's all good stuff to hear . . very encouraging. :)

[barre05]

Yeah, I was thinking Steve Harris, too.

But anyway, thanks for the news! Good to hear that at least they've laid down some stuff to work with. Maybe they can finish the album after the summer tour, and work towards an early 09 release!

[Panther41]

Steve Harris probably.

THAT would be fantastic. I've always loved what Steve Harris did with Some Devil and Busted Stuff. If they hadn't gotten Cavallo, I would have supported Harris to producing this album.

[RobRoy286]

He's probably making this up.

[carter41dmb]

FWIW, the equipment installed was probably sennheiser, good stuff.

thanks for the news.

[Miccius]

"Steve" is Steve Harris

Steve McQueen

Steven Tyler?

Steeeeeeeeeeeeeve PERRY!

[bibby1044]

Im guessing everybody missed the OP saying it was Steve Miller.

and the only reason Ill believe this is because its not really any distinct news, and hes been here since 02 and doesnt post much.

And in the video it did seem like Roi was in charge.

[berman1125]

Im guessing everybody missed the OP saying it was Steve Miller.

and the only reason Ill believe this is because its not really any distinct news, and hes been here since 02 and doesnt post much.

And in the video it did seem like Roi was in charge.


steve miller would be so cool, im a big fan:thumbsup

[bibby1044]

I agree, since it was more of a business thing who's going to say, "yeah, this session is sucking ass and not headed anywhere worth following etc."
OOMH in my opinion isn't appealing at all to me, but I'm hoping *fingers crossed* that maybe with the upright bass, more leroi/ more leroi influence, dave writing on the piano....we're getting a couple of jazzed-out songs. That's all just wishful thinking

The engineer's name is Steve Miller and my friend's employer is AVL not AVR. All these damn anacronymns get confusing sometimes.

steve miller would be so cool, im a big fan:thumbsup

Look at my above quote, its from the OP. So lucky you.

Although I dont know much about him, care to enlighten me a little?

[awsomepath]

steve miller would be so cool, im a big fan:thumbsup

I'm not sure about this, but I don't think the OP meant Steve Miller from the Steve Miller Band, or maybe he/she did. Care to clarify Peppermill?

[DirtyDeeds449]

Sounds good. I like the upright bass. I'm getting some BTCS vibes.

[bibby1044]

I'm not sure about this, but I don't think the OP meant Steve Miller from the Steve Miller Band, or maybe he/she did. Care to clarify Peppermill?
Oh, :lol I didnt know Berman meant that Steve Miller. Were all just confusing eachother.

[awsomepath]

Oh, :lol I didnt know Berman meant that Steve Miller. Were all just confusing eachother.

i'm not sure if he did:eek :eek .......;) ........:violent

[CoffeeJanitor]

My friends mom's brother's cousin is a record producer blah blah blah...

[Robio]

Okay, so we all like Steve Miller, but what would you guys think of Dennis Miller going into the studio with the band?

[Swizz2007]

Whoever this Steve guy is, he's just an engineer, so who cares? Unless all you guys have favorite engineers, lol, I personally don't pay attention to that stuff and doubt it would make or break a record.....

[DMBZeppelin]

According to Moses on TDC, who is very much an insider. thestand over here on Ants has said he won't even pretend he knows as much as Moses. Of course some won't believe what he posted, but for what it's worth:

Co-Production/Mixing/Audio Engineering : Doug Mckean

a guy who works with covallo alot

Bottom line, I'm not so sure about this Steve guy.

[LowEnd_Theory]

Whoever this Steve guy is, he's just an engineer, so who cares? Unless all you guys have favorite engineers, lol, I personally don't pay attention to that stuff and doubt it would make or break a record.....

I do.

[Peppermill]

I'm not sure about this, but I don't think the OP meant Steve Miller from the Steve Miller Band, or maybe he/she did. Care to clarify Peppermill?

Steve Miller, not of the Steve Miller Band, but someone who has worked with the band before. I'm sorry I can't give anyone more information about what tracks are on the album, who else might be guesting, etc. All I know is what has been told to me and what I've posted. The only other thing that my friend clarified about the setup is that the band had been recording with another brand/type of mics and part of her crew's job was to bring in the new steinhauser mics and do some repair work on the mixing consoles. She doesn't know why they made the move, if it was for recording the entire session or for particular tracks. Like I said before, if I find out anything new, I'll let you guys know. I've never been the person to come across this kind of information before and just thought it would be cool to share.

[jordanbball17]

Steve Miller, not of the Steve Miller Band, but someone who has worked with the band before. I'm sorry I can't give anyone more information about what tracks are on the album, who else might be guesting, etc. All I know is what has been told to me and what I've posted. The only other thing that my friend clarified about the setup is that the band had been recording with another brand/type of mics and part of her crew's job was to bring in the new steinhauser mics and do some repair work on the mixing consoles. She doesn't know why they made the move, if it was for recording the entire session or for particular tracks. Like I said before, if I find out anything new, I'll let you guys know. I've never been the person to come across this kind of information before and just thought it would be cool to share.
We appreciate it! :thumbsup

[Isaacdinho12]

dave on piano for ADSR??

[ant_marching41]

Awesome news. Thanks for the info.

[ant_marching41]

dave on piano for ADSR??
Thats very possible. I like that idea better than having Butch control that entire track.

[RobRoy286]

Thats very possible. I like that idea better than having Butch control that entire track.I hate when people say stuff like this. They'll play the same shit, but just because it's Butch, you'd rather have Dave play it. It's like when people have said that Out Of My Hands would be better if Dave got up and played it all the time and not Butch.

[qm247]

thanks for the info, Peppermill.

[ant_marching41]

I hate when people say stuff like this. They'll play the same shit, but just because it's Butch, you'd rather have Dave play it. It's like when people have said that Out Of My Hands would be better if Dave got up and played it all the time and not Butch.
I hear what you're saying, but I love the fact that Dave experiments on piano. And in case you didn't notice, Dave plays absolutely no guitar on ADSR. So I'd rather have Dave take the lead on this one.

I like Butch, but I'd rather have Dave lead the song. Thats all Im saying.

[jaymas9]

According to Moses on TDC, who is very much an insider. thestand over here on Ants has said he won't even pretend he knows as much as Moses. Of course some won't believe what he posted, but for what it's worth:



Bottom line, I'm not so sure about this Steve guy.Isn't that the guy that was sure Lillywhite was producing....yea don't believe anything he says after that.

[dmbfan4ever]

I hear what you're saying, but I love the fact that Dave experiments on piano. And in case you didn't notice, Dave plays absolutely no guitar on ADSR. So I'd rather have Dave take the lead on this one.

I like Butch, but I'd rather have Dave lead the song. Thats all Im saying.
umm...Dave plays a guitar solo in this one, which is probably the #1 reason people like and are excited about it.

[ant_marching41]

umm...Dave plays a guitar solo in this one, which is probably the #1 reason people like and are excited about it.
But he plays nothing during the verses and the chorus, which I don't get at all.

I would say that the #1 reason why people on this board are excited about ADSR are the lyrics, which aren't that bad at all.

And I think we can all agree that Dave is not a soloist. He plays the same damn arpeggio, and he brings nothing to the solo section. If its going to be on the album, Tim will own the solo on it, which is why I'm excited about this track.

[dmbfan4ever]

But he plays nothing during the verses and the chorus, which I don't get at all.

I would say that the #1 reason why people on this board are excited about ADSR are the lyrics, which aren't that bad at all.

And I think we can all agree that Dave is not a soloist. He plays the same damn arpeggio, and he brings nothing to the solo section. If its going to be on the album, Tim will own the solo on it, which is why I'm excited about this track.
The "solo" Dave was attempting gave insight into a new direction, Dave actually taking chances and putting thought into the songs. Plus Leroi has a solo, and as you said, the song has solid lyrics. I also feel Dave will add a riff to the verse and chorus, and Tim will have a solo, a la Proudest Monkey.

[ant_marching41]

The "solo" Dave was attempting gave insight into a new direction, Dave actually taking chances and putting thought into the songs. Plus Leroi has a solo, and as you said, the song has solid lyrics. I also feel Dave will add a riff to the verse and chorus, and Tim will have a solo, a la Proudest Monkey.
And I'm fine with that, which is why I said earlier that I'd rather have Dave play piano on this than Butch. I like Butch to an extent, but if ADSR is going to impress me in the studio, Dave either needs to play piano, or come up with a riff that will lead the song.

We can at least agree that there is something to be excited about with ADSR, which is something that I couldn't say back in November when I went to the IZOD show.

[DMBZeppelin]

Isn't that the guy that was sure Lillywhite was producing....yea don't believe anything he says after that.
He never said 100% for sure, but he thought that he was. In all fairness Jake thought the same thing. He said as much in the podcast. He also said he'd understand why so many different inside sources were saying it. Because Jake and Matt heard it from a lot of different places, that's why they themselves thought it was Lillywhite.

Then they looked into it, and found out he wasn't. But they even said there appeared to be some form of communication between Lillywhite and DMB. But I don't see how you can knock Moses for hearing what everyone was hearing around that time.

[marco j]

I hate when people say stuff like this. They'll play the same shit, but just because it's Butch, you'd rather have Dave play it. It's like when people have said that Out Of My Hands would be better if Dave got up and played it all the time and not Butch.

Listen to OOMH from the tour and then listen to Dave play it at RCMH, there is a HUGE difference.

It's amazing how such a simple song can sound so dead when Butch plays it.

Also, the Mark and Carter jam is better than anything Butch has ever done.

[TurboPGT]

I hate when people say stuff like this. They'll play the same shit, but just because it's Butch, you'd rather have Dave play it. It's like when people have said that Out Of My Hands would be better if Dave got up and played it all the time and not Butch.

LOL :thumbsup

Yes Out of my Hands would be sooooooooo much better if Dave played it.....:haha


How much better can Dave play 3 notes on a piano than Butch Taylor?! lol

[marco j]

^It's certainly better on the album AND on Radio City.

[ant_marching41]

^ I agree.

Lets go back to ADSR for a sec..

If Dave can pull off something better on ADSR than what Butch has been playing, wouldn't that satisfy the fans more? Wouldn't we be incredibly excited that Dave is being creative in the studio (with the piano) and moving past the three note OOMH? This song is too good lyrically and musically for Dave to sit in the backround and only play a 3-5 note, 20 second solo on guitar.

[MistreatedLewis]

Listen to OOMH from the tour and then listen to Dave play it at RCMH, there is a HUGE difference.

It's amazing how such a simple song can sound so dead when Butch plays it.

Also, the Mark and Carter jam is better than anything Butch has ever done.

Yeah I'd almost rather hear Batson tour with DMB!

[ant_marching41]

Yeah I'd almost rather hear Batson tour with DMB!
:eek

Bring that drum machine back to me again.

[bennettr]

Yeah I'd almost rather hear Batson tour with DMB!

That song is pretty boring to me. It's got no DMB quality to it (except carter obviously).

[Northerntube]

Dave's a songwriter first and foremost. There's no reason piano shouldn't be another tool of inspiration for him.

[berman1125]

:eek

Bring that drum machine back to me again.

:lol:lol

[MistreatedLewis]

Dave's a songwriter first and foremost. There's no reason piano shouldn't be another tool of inspiration for him.

I agree with this BUT if he is going to write on piano, he should put a lot of time into really learning to become a decent piano player. Otherwise, he should stick to his craft, the guitar.

That said, I think Dave should put the effort in.

[ant_marching41]

I agree with this BUT if he is going to write on piano, he should put a lot of time into really learning to become a decent piano player. Otherwise, he should stick to his craft, the guitar.

That said, I think Dave should put the effort in.
:thumbsup

I said it last night, either play piano or come up with some sort of guitar riff.

[ant_marching41]

:lol:lol
2 days man..

[Northerntube]

I agree with this BUT if he is going to write on piano, he should put a lot of time into really learning to become a decent piano player. Otherwise, he should stick to his craft, the guitar.

That said, I think Dave should put the effort in.

well, fair enough. But I do think that songwriters are often able to use their lack of facility on a new instrument to their advantage.

I'm just saying that one of the "jobs" of a songwriter is to seek inspiration wherever he or she finds it. As a guitar player myself I know that when I pick it up I often revert back to things I know and that have become second nature. If I was a songwriter, that would probably prove to be frustrating. But show me a few mandolin chords and I might come away with some inspiration for a song.

Even messing around with that little guitar of his seemed to inspire a few new songs for Dave. He was hearing things in a different way.

just food for thought.

[berman1125]

2 days man..

shoot over to the pot thread, i posted my new bubb i bought myself

[BruceW]

^ I agree.

Lets go back to ADSR for a sec..

If Dave can pull off something better on ADSR than what Butch has been playing, wouldn't that satisfy the fans more? Wouldn't we be incredibly excited that Dave is being creative in the studio (with the piano) and moving past the three note OOMH? This song is too good lyrically and musically for Dave to sit in the backround and only play a 3-5 note, 20 second solo on guitar.
:thumbsup...i agree totally...let dave play piano and sing on this and allow rashawn to play muted trumpet where daves guitar solo is, and then rois sax solo (which i love on this song)...i think thatd work well

[Jamima2fl]

Butch is in the studio, this has been confirmed by a number of people.



People People was a Peter Griesar tune. But I definitely still see what you're saying.

"So Much to Say" is also a Griesar tune... just sayin (I doubt we'll ever see people people though)


Steeeeeeeeeeeeeve PERRY!

Steeeeeeeeeeve WONDER!!!



And in the video it did seem like Roi was in charge.

I look forward to nothing more than the return of Roi in both the albums and live shows! Having a big say in the process would naturally only include him more.:multi

[brobb]

I have a really good feeling Roi is going to make his saxophone his fucking bitch for the summer.

and I can't wait.

[darbini]

Just so some people realize if they aren't already aware of, but Dave has played the piano longer than he has played the guitar. He has written many of his riffs on the piano, like Recently for example. Don't let OOMH be a good example of Dave's playing abilities, that would be the same as using Proudest Monkey to show how good he is at the guitar.

[scajfk926]

Just so some people realize if they aren't already aware of, but Dave has played the piano longer than he has played the guitar. He has written many of his riffs on the piano, like Recently for example. Don't let OOMH be a good example of Dave's playing abilities, that would be the same as using Proudest Monkey to show how good he is at the guitar.

Took the words out of my mouth :thumbsup

[TurboPGT]

Dave is not going to write or play as well as Butch on Piano until he drops the guitar for a while. Since I don't want that to happen, I would think he should just defer to Butch. Maybe he's trying to influence Butch's parts in the studio so that they're more of what he would write.
THAT would be good. I just don't want Dave sidetracked from writing what he needs to write, lyrics and some twangy rrrrrrrrriffs.

[DerekJTR2]

Piano just isn't DMB's sound

[DirtyDeeds449]

Piano just isn't DMB's sound

I personally would miss stuff like Linus and Lucy, Blackbird, etc.

[PantalaNagaMan]

I personally would miss stuff like Linus and Lucy, Blackbird, etc.

Covers?

[PantalaNagaMan]

Piano just isn't DMB's sound

Neither was anything on Stand Up. But if they try it, and its good music...then its ok.

[DerekJTR2]

Neither was anything on Stand Up. But if they try it, and its good music...then its ok.

Agreed

[bibby1044]

If Dave played piano on The Fly which I think he did, then if he can intertwine the guitar and piano together like that song, Ill be completely fine with him playing piano.

[s0628711]

I'm totally down with the band trying new styles, as long as it's good music. Truthfully, I don't want some cookie-cut DMB songs. I'd rather them try something new and have it be awesome. Bands that hang around for over fifteen years don't do so by staying the same. Change is a good thing IMO.

[DancingNanc05]

Agreed

[DerekJTR2]

I just want to hear whatever they got, new style, old school whatever. JUST SOON!

[Northerntube]

isn't their sound whatever they determine it to be at any time?

things change.

[BigEyedFerg]

Bands that hang around for over fifteen years don't do so by staying the same. Change is a good thing IMO.


I definitely agree, but the challenge is to make bold moves while retaining the same band aesthetic. They failed horribly at this with Everyday and Stand Up. BTCS was really the only successful growth/change the band underwent, IMO.

Seeing as they seem to be looking to BTCS as inspiration and a milestone to surpass, I think we're in for some solid shit