In Light of Fluffy's Thread (in DMBc)...

[RavenMaven]

What does this mean for DMB studio progress. Fluffy's thread mentioned that TRS will be heading into the studio to record a new album in the next week or so. What does this tell us about the DMB studio effort, if anything?

Has Tim already laid down his parts? Is the album close to finished? Is the album on hold/will take longer than expected?

I guess another possibility is that TR3 is recording their album in the vicinity of the DMB studio, and Tim can do double duty.

Thoughts on this?

[Joyride4136]

seems like it is finished up, for now. like ive said before i bet they finished a huge chunk of it, will roadtest, then go back and finish recording completly, then release it fall 08..

maybe ive never said that before, but i just did

[dmb5570]

i really hope it means they are done with the bulk of the work. i really hope they didnt do a big chunk and are going to change things after the tour. that to me says they arent confident in what they put down and still see room for improvement. id much rather they be done and play finished products the whole summer instead of "road testing" and then doing more work after the tour.

[TMoore4075]

seems like it is finished up, for now. like ive said before i bet they finished a huge chunk of it, will roadtest, then go back and finish recording completly, then release it fall 08..

maybe ive never said that before, but i just did

Thats what I think too. Did a lot for now, will test them out and record any new ones and/or finish up the other ones before it coming out around christmas or early next year.

[tyler1389]

I don't really get the whole road testing thing anymore. To me, if we look at the 2000 songs and then at the 2004 songs, road testing seems to mean that they play the hell out of the songs every night until they are sick of them... then they scrap the songs in favor of quick and easy ones and release those instead.

[JimiThing3403]

like i have said before

these march-may recording sessions with cavallo are exactally that. RECORDING SESSIONS. The band has had several studio sessions in the last few years, but this time they went out to seattle with cavallo to finish and record the final product for the album

[chr35919]

i don't think it's done yet.

[dmb5570]

I can understand road testing new material for the year before you into the studio, get it ready to record.......but once you go into the studio to lay stuff down, that should be it. whats the point of even spending this amount of time in the studio only to do it all over again at the end of the summer. how many sessions do they really need?

[Jake]

seems like it is finished up, for now. ...



:lol

[PPBSU34]

what's funny? have you heard differently?

[DirtyDeeds449]

Spill the beans Jake.

[dmb5570]

Jake has said a couple of times that this album is no where near done, and that info will slowly trickle about it but not to expect too much.

[chr35919]

i thought it was known that the album wouldn't be done until at least after this winter...

[PPBSU34]

i don't think anyone knows anything for sure. imo.

[dmb5570]

i thought it was known that the album wouldn't be done until at least after this winter...


at this point no one knows anything. we have what jake has told us, and there are people out there saying the opposite. so in general, no one really knows at this point. just waiting on some new info.

[crashintome202]

imo they're pretty much done in the studio for right now and will just meet up again after the tour

[jordanbball17]

I honestly think they're going Radiohead on us...but maybe that's just me.

[PPBSU34]

yea, i think it's coming sooner than most people think. maybe not giving it away like radiohead, maybe online like NIN, who knows.

[crashintome202]

yea, i think it's coming sooner than most people think. maybe not giving it away like radiohead, maybe online like NIN, who knows.
i can't see it. i dont think RCA would allow that to happen. if they were signed with a more independent company... maybe.

of course, jake and the gang could have this huge conspiracy against us and know the whole time that its coming out right before the tour starts and are just laughing at us now:D

[kyledmb]

i can't see it. i dont think RCA would allow that to happen. if they were signed with a more independent company... maybe.

of course, jake and the gang could have this huge conspiracy against us and know the whole time that its coming out right before the tour starts and are just laughing at us now:D

bingo.

They have had plenty of studio time. Look at btcs! i may be wrong, but that didn't take a year in the studio to complete.

[RavenMaven]

I am not sure how I feel about them laying a bunch of stuff down, going on tour and then coming back to it. It seems to me, and someone more knowledgeable correct me if necessary, but didn't they do this with the aborted album effort late in 2007? They laid a bunch of stuff down, took a break, and then scrapped everything?


Now, if they take some of the newer, more complete material on the road and develop it, and then want to scrap that stuff, go right ahead; I'm not saying they should be married to the work they have alredy done if it needs improvement. But, tastes change, and I would be concerned if they set aside the studio work to go on tour, and then come back and decide that they really didn't like anything they did.

I will be interested to see what kind of hand, if any, Tim has had in writing music for this album. I still think its up in the air whether he is just in there laying down some fills/short solos, or whether he is substantively involved.

[chr35919]

at this point no one knows anything. we have what jake has told us, and there are people out there saying the opposite. so in general, no one really knows at this point. just waiting on some new info.
if it were done, they'd release it this summer. since they're not, it has to be a work in progress.

..which to me is a very good thing

[dmb5570]

if it were done, they'd release it this summer. since they're not, it has to be a work in progress.

..which to me is a very good thing


I dont even think you can say that at this point. If the tour rolls around and there has been no news ill believe it, but right now my mind says it could come out soon, or later, who knows.

[chr35919]

I dont even think you can say that at this point. If the tour rolls around and there has been no news ill believe it, but right now my mind says it could come out soon, or later, who knows.we'd know if they were planning a release this summer, imo.

[Semper454]

I am not sure how I feel about them laying a bunch of stuff down, going on tour and then coming back to it. It seems to me, and someone more knowledgeable correct me if necessary, but didn't they do this with the aborted album effort late in 2007? They laid a bunch of stuff down, took a break, and then scrapped everything?

They did this late '05/early '06, late '06, early '07, and then supposedly late '07 as well. They've spent so much time in the studio since 2005 with nothing to show for it it's ridiculous.

[pdoseven]

I'd say they're done for now, sure-- enough time to give them all a break before the tour starts. But I'd imagine that the real bulk of the work will be done after the tour and the tour will be used as a means to keep the new songs fresh, and explore with them in an environment other than the studio.

[chr35919]

I'd say they're done for now, sure-- enough time to give them all a break before the tour starts. But I'd imagine that the real bulk of the work will be done after the tour and the tour will be used as a means to keep the new songs fresh, and explore with them in an environment other than the studio.:thumbsupyeah, and i think, in this case, tim is on tour to help develop the songs.

[RavenMaven]

I'd say they're done for now, sure-- enough time to give them all a break before the tour starts. But I'd imagine that the real bulk of the work will be done after the tour and the tour will be used as a means to keep the new songs fresh, and explore with them in an environment other than the studio.

:thumbsupyeah, and i think, in this case, tim is on tour to help develop the songs.


I tend to agree with this line of thought.


Has Tim ever gotten a writing credit on any studio track?

[berman1125]

i would think they are closer to being done. you dont need to road test material that has been roadtested since 04/05

[chr35919]

i would think they are closer to being done. you dont need to road test material that has been roadtested since 04/05none of the songs have been since 04/05...and the new new ones haven't been played at all

[pdoseven]

i would think they are closer to being done. you dont need to road test material that has been roadtested since 04/05
I don't know...jake just laughed when someone said that
:D...that all knowing laugh

[bibby1044]

Yeah I think were only going to see 2-4 songs we have already heard on the album leaning towards the lower half, I jsut want to hear the badass one on the clip.

[berman1125]

yea i saw that....i usually always back what jake says. idk what to think

[berman1125]

i thought i had it figured out w the cavallo interview. now, just as clueless as everyone else is

[dmb5570]

either jake honestly is leading us in the right direction because thats just how it is(the album is still in the works and will take a while).............or one day we are gonna get a ton of info and then he will just let us know that he knew and couldnt tell us and was being deceptive just like dave/tim have been in interviews, leading us in the wrong direction.............come on may 12th, bring info, good or bad.

[berman1125]

^ that ton of info will probably all be on the studio site when it goes live

[dmb5570]

and thats what i think is going to happen, and everyone is gonna get a laugh out of making us think it was going to be 2009, when really it was meant to be summer/fall the whole time............who knows, im optimistic for summer/fall, but wouldnt be totally surprised by fall/winter

[berman1125]

yeah, i think it will be fall for sure

[RavenMaven]

I would be shocked at a summer release, as I don't think the band has ever released an album that was not between September and April.

[mja271]

^^^Busted Stuff came out in July.

I think road testing could be good or bad honestly, I'm torn. In one sense it could help the songs develop and when they go back to the studio they will be more full and reach their potential. However, I would hate for them to play stuff out to the point that 1) there is no surprise element with the album or 2) we get great material that they get tired of playing for one reason or another and we get a totally different album than planned.

[RavenMaven]

^^^Busted Stuff came out in July.




Yeah, that was the one I was unsure of. I would argue that doesn't count though, as most of the work had already been done, and they clearly didn't put in much effort to develop the material.

[tyler1389]

Stand Up came out in May

[bphlzl]

I think the first single will come out some time before the mid-way point in the tour, and then maybe we'll have an exact release date, which will probably be September or October.

As far as road-testing, I hate the idea. As artists, they could be perpetually disappointed with their work - that is why they hired Rob Cavallo. Based on the interview with him, and the studio clip we have, I think he can point them in the right direction.

[berman1125]

I think the first single will come out some time before the mid-way point in the tour, and then maybe we'll have an exact release date, which will probably be September or October.

As far as road-testing, I hate the idea. As artists, they could be perpetually disappointed with their work - that is why they hired Rob Cavallo. Based on the interview with him, and the studio clip we have, I think he can point them in the right direction.



that sir, was a fake

[dmb5570]

that sir, was a fake


im thinkin he meant the video we have of him from before.

[RavenMaven]

Stand Up came out in May

:rolleyes

I think my point was that albums don't drop once the tour starts, historically.

[bubba40]

I would bet that the recording part of this album is essentially over.

[chr35919]

I would bet that the recording part of this album is essentially over.that'd suck. i want them to work on these songs all summer...with tim.

[bubba40]

that'd suck. i want them to work on these songs all summer...with tim.

As do I :thumbsup . Just saying what I think is happening.

Now if I said what I wanted the new album to look like, I'd say:

1) JTR
2) SUAD
3) Loving Wings
4) Shotgun
5) Sugar Will
6) Crazy Easy
7) *new song*
8) *new song*
9) *new song*
10) *new song*
11) *new song*

We all know what the odds of that happening are :rolleyes :lol

But no yeah I agree, I wish they'd take the summer and work with them on the road with Tim AND Rashawn. :thumbsup

[bigeyedfish190]

i really hope it means they are done with the bulk of the work. i really hope they didnt do a big chunk and are going to change things after the tour. that to me says they arent confident in what they put down and still see room for improvement. id much rather they be done and play finished products the whole summer instead of "road testing" and then doing more work after the tour.

So, hypothetically, if they DID see room for improvement, and were NOT yet confident at the end of the summer, you'd rather them release it instead of working it out till its fixed?

Honestly sorry if I'm misinterpreting this.

[bbianca1982]

There's no way the album is coming out this summer. For as high-profile a band as DMB is, with a big-time record label backing them, you'd hear promotion EVERYWHERE for this. The release date would be in every music magazine, every blog, and the website would be live. It's May people--the summer is just about here, and we have one video released on iLike.

I orginally thought November for the release date, but if they go back into the studio after the tour, you won't see it until February/March 09 at the earliest.

[BigEyedFerg]

Ugh, why can't it be May 12th... all this unfounded speculation is getting on my nerves

[lc_2000]

I thought it was known that nobody knew anything but everybody acted like they knew?

[dmb5570]

So, hypothetically, if they DID see room for improvement, and were NOT yet confident at the end of the summer, you'd rather them release it instead of working it out till its fixed?

Honestly sorry if I'm misinterpreting this.


To me if you are going to the studio, you need to be ready to put stuff down. they have been roadtesting songs to death for the last two years, songs like 27, shotgun, IOY, they cant be played anymore. if they havent found what they want with them yet, they never will. and with writing new songs, why play them the entire summer and then put them down again. then when the album comes out we basically have heard the whole thing. if they are going to bring tim in, a hopefully competent producer, and spend this much time in the studio, this just needs to be it. I dont want them to rush this album, but how many studio sessions do you really need to find what you are looking for?

[kyledmb]

that'd suck. i want them to work on these songs all summer...with tim.

why? they have been working with tim all spring...in the studio.

i loath the idea of road testing the tunes. they should be able to do it right the first time, in the studio.

[bbianca1982]

that'd suck. i want them to work on these songs all summer...with tim.

Yeah, why? So they can spend another three months in the studio reshaping everything they recorded prior to the tour? Pass. If they're done--and I don't think they are--they should stand by their work and use the tour to promote the album.

[bphlzl]

that sir, was a fakeWow, did they build a robot to replace Cavallo for that video interview???:eek


Just messin, I should have clarified.
:lol:lol

[berman1125]

Wow, did they build a robot to replace Cavallo for that video interview???:eek


Just messin, I should have clarified.
:lol:lol



ahhh, studio clip cavallo, not fake interview cavallo

[bigeyedfish190]

To me if you are going to the studio, you need to be ready to put stuff down. they have been roadtesting songs to death for the last two years, songs like 27, shotgun, IOY, they cant be played anymore. if they havent found what they want with them yet, they never will. and with writing new songs, why play them the entire summer and then put them down again. then when the album comes out we basically have heard the whole thing. if they are going to bring tim in, a hopefully competent producer, and spend this much time in the studio, this just needs to be it. I dont want them to rush this album, but how many studio sessions do you really need to find what you are looking for?

So thats a yes. Interesting. I'd rather see how time helps the album. In Rainbows took forever to make, and it was totally worth the wait. I think it was Early 05 to mid 07, but that was almost all hard work plus one small tour. DMB has been on and off for short stints, with lots of tours.

I don't mind the roadtesting. I'd be fine hearing the whole thing live first--honestly, I wouldn't care. As long as its a quality product and that road testing helped, then let it be.

[awsomepath]

I don't really get the whole road testing thing anymore. To me, if we look at the 2000 songs and then at the 2004 songs, road testing seems to mean that they play the hell out of the songs every night until they are sick of them... then they scrap the songs in favor of quick and easy ones and release those instead.

I hope they don't do this too much this summer. Play the new songs certain nights and don't play them both nights at a 2 night stand or all three nights at a 3 nighter. I can't stand it. Who cares if everyone won't hear the new songs, make them more special. SHIT!:BANG

[Rockyall107]

I hope they don't do this too much this summer. Play the new songs certain nights and don't play them both nights at a 2 night stand or all three nights at a 3 nighter. I can't stand it. Who cares if everyone won't hear the new songs, make them more special. SHIT!:BANG


completely agree

[BigEyedFerg]

I hope they don't do this too much this summer. Play the new songs certain nights and don't play them both nights at a 2 night stand or all three nights at a 3 nighter. I can't stand it. Who cares if everyone won't hear the new songs, make them more special. SHIT!:BANG

You win :thumbsup

[dmb5570]

So thats a yes. Interesting. I'd rather see how time helps the album. In Rainbows took forever to make, and it was totally worth the wait. I think it was Early 05 to mid 07, but that was almost all hard work plus one small tour. DMB has been on and off for short stints, with lots of tours.

I don't mind the roadtesting. I'd be fine hearing the whole thing live first--honestly, I wouldn't care. As long as its a quality product and that road testing helped, then let it be.


IF they arent done in the studio, I would have rather them have a late summer tour like last year and just spend more time in one sitting in the studio. i just think the going to the studio, road testing some more, and then studio again wouldnt be productive. but one long stint in the studio would be better.

[kyledmb]

IF they arent done in the studio, I would have rather them have a late summer tour like last year and just spend more time in one sitting in the studio. i just think the going to the studio, road testing some more, and then studio again wouldnt be productive. but one long stint in the studio would be better.

right! that never seems to work!

[thestand]

I hope they don't do this too much this summer. Play the new songs certain nights and don't play them both nights at a 2 night stand or all three nights at a 3 nighter. I can't stand it. Who cares if everyone won't hear the new songs, make them more special. SHIT!:BANG
More special? These are songs, a collection of notes, rhythms and words. They're not baseball cards or stamps. It's organized sound, it doesn't exactly have a value. That's just a weird statement, in my opinion.

[RavenMaven]

More special? These are songs, a collection of notes, rhythms and words. They're not baseball cards or stamps. It's organized sound, it doesn't exactly have a value. That's just a weird statement, in my opinion.


Oh, come on....teh rarez! Songs are clearly better the less they are played/practiced.

[BigEyedFerg]

Good music is more than just organized sound... it's passion.

[bbianca1982]

Oh, come on....teh rarez! Songs are clearly better the less they are played/practiced.

I think you're joking, but I'm not sure, so I'm going to rip you anyway. :cool

Blue Water is not a better song than Lie in Our Graves or (insert any popular, solid DMB song here) just because it hasn't been played in a decade (or whatever). If Old Dirt Hill (or should I say, Bring That Beat Back) disappeared for three years, this place would be going apeshit clamoring for its return on the 2012 tour.

[chr35919]

why? they have been working with tim all spring...in the studio.

i loath the idea of road testing the tunes. they should be able to do it right the first time, in the studio.they've only been successful at doing that once.

[RavenMaven]

I think you're joking, but I'm not sure, so I'm going to rip you anyway. :cool

Blue Water is not a better song than Lie in Our Graves or (insert any popular, solid DMB song here) just because it hasn't been played in a decade (or whatever). If Old Dirt Hill (or should I say, Bring That Beat Back) disappeared for three years, this place would be going apeshit clamoring for its return on the 2012 tour.

I was joking, and I agree with the portion of your post re ODH.

But, Blue Water is better than many "solid" DMB songs because it is a "great" DMB song. I don't think its better than LIOG, but its better than a lot of other older, popular songs for sure.

Some songs people want to hear because they are rare, some songs peolpe want to hear because they are fucking sick ass sick. Blue Water happens to have crossover appeal is all. Doesn't diminish how nasty it is.

[bbianca1982]

I was joking, and I agree with the portion of your post re ODH.

But, Blue Water is better than many "solid" DMB songs because it is a "great" DMB song. I don't think its better than LIOG, but its better than a lot of other older, popular songs for sure.

Some songs people want to hear because they are rare, some songs peolpe want to hear because they are fucking sick ass sick. Blue Water happens to have crossover appeal is all. Doesn't diminish how nasty it is.

Not a huge Blue Water fan myself, but I get your point. Maybe I should use Spotlight as my example.

[RavenMaven]

Not a huge Blue Water fan myself, but I get your point. Maybe I should use Spotlight as my example.


I love Spotlight musically, but the lyrics are hit and miss.

Its always kinda sounded like a showtune to me. Like it could be in Rent or something.

[DerekJTR2]

I love Spotlight musically, but the lyrics are hit and miss.

Its always kinda sounded like a showtune to me. Like it could be in Rent or something.

It could definitely be in Rent...pieces of shit belong together :D

[marco j]

I would bet that the recording part of this album is essentially over.


I'd bet $20 it is.

Now it's time for production.

[mcwyffe]

Now it's time for production.
god i hope so

[DerekJTR2]

I'd bet $20 it is.

Now it's time for production.

haha $20 I'm cracking up over that.

[DerekJTR2]

Ya know, watching the studio preview again made me think a couple of things.

1. Imagining the unknown song playing throughout as a full song on a cd blows my mind. It's one of the coolest sounding things ever, it sounds complex and layered and UH MAY ZING

2. That track had everyones parts and Dave's voice..Not to say it was finished, but that seems fairly far along in the process. That was March 27th.

I think this album is close to being finished, I don't care what Jake says

[bbianca1982]

Ya know, watching the studio preview again made me think a couple of things.

1. Imagining the unknown song playing throughout as a full song on a cd blows my mind. It's one of the coolest sounding things ever, it sounds complex and layered and UH MAY ZING

2. That track had everyones parts and Dave's voice..Not to say it was finished, but that seems fairly far along in the process. That was March 27th.

I think this album is close to being finished, I don't care what Jake says

I think it could be close to being finished...if the band wants it to be. They could put something out by October/November, or wait until after the tour, go back in the studio and re-record after a summer of road testing, and delay this thing til spring 09.

[warehouse06]

I think it could be close to being finished...if the band wants it to be. They could put something out by October/November, or wait until after the tour, go back in the studio and re-record after a summer of road testing, and delay this thing til spring 09.

that'd make it 4 years since the last studio album...seems like such a long time...

[PPBSU34]

yea, i'm sure more than just 'recording' is done.

[RavenMaven]

that'd make it 4 years since the last studio album...seems like such a long time...


Not really; BS wasn't really studio effort; so there were 4 years between ED and SU

[DerekJTR2]

Not really; BS wasn't really studio effort; so there were 4 years between ED and SU

I don't think you can say that.

How many millions of people heard the album that never heard of tLWS

[marco j]

Ya know, watching the studio preview again made me think a couple of things.

1. Imagining the unknown song playing throughout as a full song on a cd blows my mind. It's one of the coolest sounding things ever, it sounds complex and layered and UH MAY ZING

2. That track had everyones parts and Dave's voice..Not to say it was finished, but that seems fairly far along in the process. That was March 27th.

I think this album is close to being finished, I don't care what Jake says


That's some sort of version of Sugarwill.

[DerekJTR2]

That's some sort of version of Sugarwill.
It sounds fairly similar but it's not

[warehouse06]

Not really; BS wasn't really studio effort; so there were 4 years between ED and SU

well they still re-recorded all the songs for BS and they didn't use the LWS versions of the songs, so it was still a studio session.


That's some sort of version of Sugarwill.

people want it to sound like sugar will, when in all reality, its most likely not sugar will. as much as we want it to be.

[bphlzl]

people want it to sound like sugar will, when in all reality, its most likely not sugar will. as much as we want it to be.I think they took Sugar Will and made it better. Even if I'm wrong, that sounds like it could be an amazing track.

[MPizzle06]

If they pulled an In Rainbows-like quick release that no one saw coming that would kick ass...as long as it's good stuff, which I'm confident it will be.

[berman1125]

Ya know, watching the studio preview again made me think a couple of things.

1. Imagining the unknown song playing throughout as a full song on a cd blows my mind. It's one of the coolest sounding things ever, it sounds complex and layered and UH MAY ZING

2. That track had everyones parts and Dave's voice..Not to say it was finished, but that seems fairly far along in the process. That was March 27th.

I think this album is close to being finished, I don't care what Jake says



:thumbsup

[bubba40]

That's some sort of version of Sugarwill.

Man, you know how badly I wish that were true, but I just don't hear it. At all :(

[bigeyedfish190]

that'd make it 4 years since the last studio album...seems like such a long time...

Agreed. BUT, on a lighter note, there were four years between Hail to the Theif and In Rainbows, and it was all worth it. Plus, Radiohead have mentioned plans to hit the studio up again in the fall, so it doesn't mean that all releases from here on will be 4 years apart.

Man, you know how badly I wish that were true, but I just don't hear it. At all :(

You took the words right out of my mouth.

[bbianca1982]

that'd make it 4 years since the last studio album...seems like such a long time...

We're talking a four-month difference from November 2008 to March/April 2009. It's already a long time if it comes out in the fall...what's another four months to the band?

And that song in the video is not Sugar Will. Let that dream go, please.

[marco j]

It sounds fairly similar but it's not

well they still re-recorded all the songs for BS and they didn't use the LWS versions of the songs, so it was still a studio session.




people want it to sound like sugar will, when in all reality, its most likely not sugar will. as much as we want it to be.

Man, you know how badly I wish that were true, but I just don't hear it. At all :(

What you are hearing is the jam in Sugar. The guitar riff is very similar to the many different runs Dave did throughout 04' and the same goes for Roi's run as well.

It sounds different because it's a cannabalized version that's all.

It is Sugarwill.

[BigEyedFerg]

What you are hearing is the jam in Sugar. The guitar riff is very similar to the many different runs Dave did throughout 04' and the same goes for Roi's run as well.

It sounds different because it's a cannabalized version that's all.

It is Sugarwill.


Would make sense why Dave exclaimed that it "SOUNDS FAST." I don't quite hear it, but then again it's a .05 second clip. Who knows. Could be an uptempo reinterpretation of Sugar Will's music

[marco j]

I guess it's possible that it is some sort of song that is in the Sugarwill vein but I doubt it, especially since Sugarwill sounds like nothing they've ever done before.

If it is a new song born out of Sugarwill's inspiration, then what I've always said is true.

Sugarwill is the path to a rebirth of new dMb that pushes boundaries, while allowing room for improvisation and growth in a way much like they began.
It's right up Roi and Carter's alley.

[DerekJTR2]

...pushes boundaries, while allowing room for improvisation and growth in a way much like they began.


Instant boner

[marco j]

Instant boner


Glad to help.;)

[BigEyedFerg]

Instant boner

Could be wrong, but I don't think he was talking about that kind of "growth" ;)

[Mateo2k]

Oh, fergie ferg... you so nasty.

[BigEyedFerg]

always pickin' on me :( :violent

[warehouse06]

We're talking a four-month difference from November 2008 to March/April 2009. It's already a long time if it comes out in the fall...what's another four months to the band?

And that song in the video is not Sugar Will. Let that dream go, please.

agreed.

[bibby1044]

agreed.
I hope its not Sugar Will, that way we will have two kickass songs instead of one.

[BigEyedFerg]

^What if it was a rebirth of Sugar Will...as in totally different lyrics, but a definite evolution from Sugar Will? I think that's the optimum possibility for Sugar Will making a return at this point...

[CapnHani06]

So thats a yes. Interesting. I'd rather see how time helps the album. In Rainbows took forever to make, and it was totally worth the wait. I think it was Early 05 to mid 07, but that was almost all hard work plus one small tour. DMB has been on and off for short stints, with lots of tours.

I don't mind the roadtesting. I'd be fine hearing the whole thing live first --honestly, I wouldn't care. As long as its a quality product and that road testing helped, then let it be.

i agree...afterall, for the longest time, everyone's "ideal album" (including my own) was entirely composed of songs that they've been "roadtesting" for at least a year or two in some capacity; with a new studio album, what's the difference whether it's made up of older new songs that you've had live recordings for for a few years or brand-new songs that you've inevitably played on repeat at least 9849328402 times all summer long?

half the fun in a studio album is seeing how songs show up in their more "finalized" forms...believe or not, songs can and do evolve in the studio, too :rolleyes

[eliottv]

What's the thing about May 12th. I read back, but couldn't find it. Is that like an info release date or something?

[DerekJTR2]

What's the thing about May 12th. I read back, but couldn't find it. Is that like an info release date or something?.

Apparently it's supposed to be a bunch of info. I can't even recall the original source although it came from TDC.org

It's probably nothing

[BigEyedFerg]

May 12th makes sense, though --- just in time to build up a bit more hype for the tour and (assuming the site is up for like 4-5 months) rounds us out at an October release, which is what some people seem to be predicting now

[dreamingtree_34]

I tend to agree with this line of thought.


Has Tim ever gotten a writing credit on any studio track?



yeah wow it seems like he should have. so many songs would sound so different (not as good) without his fills/influence. even songs where he isn't that prominent like satellite are noticeably worse without him

[marco j]

Can you feel it?



.......return of Sugarwill is coming!!!

[DerekJTR2]

ho hum, Sugar Will ain't great