they make these albums such a big thing

[elconguero]

i wish they would not tour and just finish the album at their own pace over the next few months. too late now i know but...

its like....we are working on this album that we think is really good or great (or at least i hope they think that) but we have to stop in the middle of this creative burst to do our annual tour, where we will not play these songs, and will possibly create new songs, that we will scrap these recorded songs for, or we will play some new ones and find new parts live, then have to re-record the already recorded material.

makes no sense to me. it gives me a bad vibe. like they are so fragile that they are afraid to release an album because they do not know what is good anymore. i don't like the nostalgic act. tour for a reason not just because you think you are supposed to every summer. you made everyone rich. no need to feel bad that someone will not get a check this summer without a tour.

they make these albums such a big thing when so many bands just go in record the shit and get on with life. you could have had so many good songs laid down on albums already(GGT, crazy easy, sugar will, jtr, SUAD, loving wings, shotgun(it was best the first time played, you are overthinking it), a dream so real, cornbread, idea of you(go back to original lyrics), #27, a million soundchecks, etc). if its good, release it, hell release it anyway. instead, they overhype it then release something subpar. so why wait.

:disclaimer:
i am probably way off base and i am sure there are a million reasons i have not listed why they have to tour and put the album on hold. i just would think by now with all they have proven they could call all of the shots and stop the constant touring. the songs are tired. put them to bed dmb. start over. you were on the right track in 04. you are still great. show it. you may also lose some of this teeny bopper crowd by taking some time off. they will forget. they are fickle. do not cater to them.

also, if shotgun turns out amazing i reserve the right to change my mind. but i would take that first version in the studio as is any day. thats what you lose with the waiting. the inspiration.

[rickyh24]

i wish they would not tour


:thumbsdow :thumbsdow

[bibby1044]

I see what your saying, but from what Ive read in the past. It seems some member benefit from a studio setting in a creative sense and some are the opposite.

[Whiteyxc514]

DMB is synonymous with summer tour. I wouldn't wanna see them take a summer off just to work on an album. However, I do see what you're saying about them overthinking it. Whatever though. As long as we get an awesome summer tour, I don't mind waiting for a new album

[Semper454]

I agree 100%. Get the damn album done already. Quit trodding through these tours like they're mandatory, sit down for 3, 4, 5.... 8... 10 months... however long it takes and make a damn album. I cannot believe they're about to put off yet another set of studio sessions. Everybody thought the time between Busted Stuff and Stand Up was ridiculous, well we're at the same amount of time since Stand Up, and we still have no release date on the horizon. This band has had so much time in the studio and nothing new to show for it.

Basically, DMB, your first priority at this point should not be going out on the road for the 17th consecutive summer. It'll be over three years by the end of the tour since you last put out a studio album, and some would say it's been a whole lot longer since you put out anything good. Get in the studio, work a little bit, and make a quality album. Once that's done you can go out on tour and play Jimi Thing for the 847th time.

[Whiteyxc514]

I agree 100%. Get the damn album done already. Quit trodding through these tours like they're mandatory, sit down for 3, 4, 5.... 8... 10 months... however long it takes and make a damn album. I cannot believe they're about to put off yet another set of studio sessions. Everybody thought the time between Busted Stuff and Stand Up was ridiculous, well we're at the same amount of time since Stand Up, and we still have no release date on the horizon. This band has had so much time in the studio and nothing new to show for it.

Basically, DMB, your first priority at this point should not be going out on the road for the 17th consecutive summer. It'll be over three years by the end of the tour since you last put out a studio album, and some would say it's been a whole lot longer since you put out anything good. Get in the studio, work a little bit, and make a quality album. Once that's done you can go out on tour and play Jimi Thing for the 847th time.

What makes you say they're gonna scrap these sessions?

Also, I think a lot of DMB fans couldn't care less about what they do in the studio, as long as they keep coming back to SPAC, Alpine, The Gorge, etc. every year

[Semper454]

What makes you say they're gonna scrap these sessions?

Also, I think a lot of DMB fans couldn't care less about what they do in the studio, as long as they keep coming back to SPAC, Alpine, The Gorge, etc. every year

I didn't say they're going to scrap them. But they are, at the very least, taking what they've got, putting it away for four months, and then coming back later. I can't say I've ever recorded an album, but I would imagine that as with anything creative, you can't just make half of it, quit for four months, and then come right back and pick up where you left off. It kinda needs a creative flow to be any good.

And I kind of disagree with your point about fans wanting just a tour stop or two very summer. To me, that's the definition of a novelty act. And DMB is not there quite yet. Although if they keep up with this stuff, that's what they'll become. They've shown they can still write good material, but if they're not committed to getting it down and releasing it, then that's pretty inconsequential.

[LowEnd_Theory]

Semper... how in the world do you know they arent completing the album right now? I think you are making a lot of assumptions. They have nothing to show for it? Did you think that maybe they just have been taking a low key approach and not hyping the album and giving us 5 videos and a website?

Im just saying...

[Semper454]

Semper... how in the world do you know they arent completing the album right now? I think you are making a lot of assumptions. They have nothing to show for it? Did you think that maybe they just have been taking a low key approach and not hyping the album and giving us 5 videos and a website?

Im just saying...

They could be. I'm going off the assumption they aren't going to completely finish the album by the end of May. But then again, some of the guys around here with more reliable info have all said that the album is not very far along, and that they haven't done much since Easter. Add that to Tim going in the studio with TR3 soon, and what does it look like? Either they finished most/all of the album by Easter, or once again, they're going to have spent a few months in the studio, and then take off for another few more, again without finishing an album.

[LowEnd_Theory]

Thats cool. I mean I usually pay attention to what thestand has to say and a few other around here, and he just said he would expect this tour to be along the lines of 2002 (meanig thr album is done). Also, just looking around at TDC, it seems to me that the hints being dropped are this thing is gonna be sooner than later as well. I mean, you just gotta take it for what its worth until somehing real is announced, but as of today, Im gonna lean towards the side of this this is going to be done and released mid tour earliest, fall at the latest.

[Semper454]

Thats cool. I mean I usually pay attention to what thestand has to say and a few other around here, and he just said he would expect this tour to be along the lines of 2002 (meanig thr album is done). Also, just looking around at TDC, it seems to me that the hints being dropped are this thing is gonna be sooner than later as well. I mean, you just gotta take it for what its worth until somehing real is announced, but as of today, Im gonna lean towards the side of this this is going to be done and released mid tour earliest, fall at the latest.

I must have missed that part. The last thing I saw him say was that they had only spent a few days in the studio since Easter. If that's true, then yeah either they're pretty far along, and we're going to see a really quick release fairly soon, or they're dragging again and this project going to continue into next year.

[DerekJTR2]

Correct me if I am wrong, but DMB has toured every summer since their inception...that is who they are. I think the album may be in the final stages. I don't think NOT touring is an option, or something that would have a positive result

[Cornbread4041]

this is what i have been saying for a while. I think they just need to get a good album out, and they could have done that already and then work on the EPIC album. I mean i always thought the following would make a great album, which they could lay down quickly and make people happy with actaully having a half decent release:

1) crazy easy
2) joyride
3) JTR
4) Eh Hee
5) Sweet up and down
6) cornbread
7) Shotgun
8) Idea of You
9) Sugar Will
10) Loving Wings
11) Shotgun Reprise

[berman1125]

They could be. I'm going off the assumption they aren't going to completely finish the album by the end of May. But then again, some of the guys around here with more reliable info have all said that the album is not very far along, and that they haven't done much since Easter. Add that to Tim going in the studio with TR3 soon, and what does it look like? Either they finished most/all of the album by Easter, or once again, they're going to have spent a few months in the studio, and then take off for another few more, again without finishing an album.



and we have no info to support either claim. i mean info, no insiders crap.

[DerekJTR2]

1) crazy easy
2) joyride
3) JTR
4) Eh Hee
5) Sweet up and down
6) cornbread
7) Shotgun
8) Idea of You
9) Sugar Will
10) Loving Wings
11) Shotgun Reprise

Great Disc MINUS Eh Hee

Eh Hee will never be done again

[berman1125]

Thats cool. I mean I usually pay attention to what thestand has to say and a few other around here, and he just said he would expect this tour to be along the lines of 2002 (meanig thr album is done). Also, just looking around at TDC, it seems to me that the hints being dropped are this thing is gonna be sooner than later as well. I mean, you just gotta take it for what its worth until somehing real is announced, but as of today, Im gonna lean towards the side of this this is going to be done and released mid tour earliest, fall at the latest.



im with you on this whole post:thumbsup but i wouldnt write peoples names on the boards

[Whiteyxc514]

this is what i have been saying for a while. I think they just need to get a good album out, and they could have done that already and then work on the EPIC album. I mean i always thought the following would make a great album, which they could lay down quickly and make people happy with actaully having a half decent release:

1) crazy easy
2) joyride
3) JTR
4) Eh Hee
5) Sweet up and down
6) cornbread
7) Shotgun
8) Idea of You
9) Sugar Will
10) Loving Wings
11) Shotgun Reprise

They could've released this last year and made another album this year with all the new material they are working on...Kinda like Everyday and then Busted Stuff being in back to back years

[Semper454]

and we have no info to support either claim. i mean info, no insiders crap.

Well, we've got the fact that it's May 8. The tour begins in three weeks, and there's been next to no publicity for an album yet (aside from a single video that was released the night before tickets went on sale... hmmm... ). We know there isn't any extensive break for the band mid-tour to finish up recording, work on retouches, etc. So if the band is done or nearly done, they're very much pulling a NIN/Radiohead/Raconteurs style limited publicity, extremely quick, surprise release. But being that there have been about 3 major bands that have done that in the modern record industry, I wouldn't necessarily bet on it.

Again, there's a chance I'm wrong, but it looks like we're in for the third consecutive summer of road testing, a break post-tour, back in the studio in the Fall, break for the holidays, reconvene post-New year, and then maybe they finish up an album by Summer Tour 2009.

[berman1125]

Well, we've got the fact that it's May 8. The tour begins in three weeks, and there's been next to no publicity for an album yet (aside from a single video that was released the night before tickets went on sale... hmmm... ). We know there isn't any extensive break for the band mid-tour to finish up recording, work on retouches, etc. So if the band is done or nearly done, they're very much pulling a NIN/Radiohead/Raconteurs style limited publicity, extremely quick, surprise release. But being that there have been about 3 major bands that have done that in the modern record industry, I wouldn't necessarily bet on it.

Again, there's a chance I'm wrong, but it looks like we're in for the third consecutive summer of road testing, a break post-tour, back in the studio in the Fall, break for the holidays, reconvene post-New year, and then maybe they finish up an album by Summer Tour 2009.



yea i do see what you are saying, and up until about 3 days ago i was one of the biggest pushers for a feb 09 release on this whole site. but for some reason (cavallo interview) i just think its gonna be out soon. and by soon i mean OCT/or first week of NOV

i mean if they give us the release date of the album when the studio site goes live, which i think will be by the tour, that gives you 5-6 months to hype a album, while the band is on tour.


i can hear it now...."Hey yall, be sure to pick up our album when it drops in Oct." as 30,000 fans scream. "yeahh, get that album so we can sell tix for a winter tour to play the hell out of the new songs!!"

[IrishDMBF]

this is what i have been saying for a while. I think they just need to get a good album out, and they could have done that already and then work on the EPIC album. I mean i always thought the following would make a great album, which they could lay down quickly and make people happy with actaully having a half decent release:

1) crazy easy
2) joyride
3) JTR
4) Eh Hee
5) Sweet up and down
6) cornbread
7) Shotgun
8) Idea of You
9) Sugar Will
10) Loving Wings
11) Shotgun Reprise

This album would be called a B-sides album. Most B-sides album have very limited publicity associated with them.

[RavenMaven]

this is what i have been saying for a while. I think they just need to get a good album out, and they could have done that already and then work on the EPIC album.


Sounds like what their mentality was with the BS sessions, and we know how that turned out.

[Cornbread4041]

Great Disc MINUS Eh Hee

Eh Hee will never be done again

i may be alone on thsi one, but for some odd reason, i like the idea of a studio eh hee w/ the roots, sorta like alanis was on ddtw and spoon

[Cornbread4041]

They could've released this last year and made another album this year with all the new material they are working on...Kinda like Everyday and then Busted Stuff being in back to back years

Thats my exact point, and to be honest, I would be happy to get Busted Stuff V2, but actually produced well, i mean that album does have 3 of my top 10 all time favorite dmb songs, even if the production is less than desired

[jayman414]

yea i do see what you are saying, and up until about 3 days ago i was one of the biggest pushers for a feb 09 release on this whole site. but for some reason (cavallo interview) i just think its gonna be out soon. and by soon i mean OCT/or first week of NOV

i mean if they give us the release date of the album when the studio site goes live, which i think will be by the tour, that gives you 5-6 months to hype a album, while the band is on tour.


i can hear it now...."Hey yall, be sure to pick up our album when it drops in Oct." as 30,000 fans scream. "yeahh, get that album so we can sell tix for a winter tour to play the hell out of the new songs!!"


What Cavallo interview are you talking about?

[bigredjeff]

oddly enough, i was thinking something along these lines recently. i've read 3-4 non-DMB related things lately that just made me think everyone's got themselves too worked up about an album: there's an otis redding album recently re-issued that was recorded in one day, with his backing band leaving for a few hours to go do a live show. Steve Winwood was talking about recording with Jimi Hendrix in an interview recently and he said something along the lines of, "he explained the song structure to me, talked about how he wanted it to sound, and we finished it in 3 takes." And I've been reading Eric Clapton's autobiography...some of those classic Cream albums were recorded VERY quickly and without overthinking it. Add to those readings that a number of bands seem to put out music every 2 years, or if you're Nine Inch Nails, every 2 weeks/months.

it all adds up to make me feel like the whole process has become overblown. Yes, I want a great album with great songs...but it's occurred to me that (at times) our mindset seems to be that everything this band does has to be "epic" or whatever term you want to use. We want an album full of Two Steps (or insert favorite DMB song here)...and maybe our expectations, and the band's feelings, have created a kind of creative paralysis where it's no longer okay to lay down a song in a few takes or have a song that isn't some epic jam vehicle.

If it was good enough for Cream, good enough for Jimi Hendrix, good enough for Otis Redding...maybe, just maybe, it'd be ok for the band not to spend 3 years in the studio throwing out tons of songs and re-recording things 50 times. Hell, it's good enough for Nine Inch Nails: The Slip was recorded FAST, mastered, artwork, etc. in a weekend(!). Is it NIN's best work? No. But it's a good listen, and I'm happy to have more NIN to listen to.

Disclaimer: I'm not saying the band should be lazy or adopt the Stand Up mindset of "that's a song!" And I realize that Cream, Jimi & Otis recorded a fair amount of covers to go on those albums - removing some of the songwriting process. But...I would like to see the band relax a bit and be more prolific. It doesn't have to be perfect everytime. At the core, we're all music fans - give us music.

[lockman21]

this is what i have been saying for a while. I think they just need to get a good album out, and they could have done that already and then work on the EPIC album. I mean i always thought the following would make a great album, which they could lay down quickly and make people happy with actaully having a half decent release:

1) crazy easy
2) joyride
3) JTR
4) Eh Hee
5) Sweet up and down
6) cornbread
7) Shotgun
8) Idea of You
9) Sugar Will
10) Loving Wings
11) Shotgun Reprise

No offense, but that would suck. I want new songs.

[berman1125]

What Cavallo interview are you talking about?



the fake one. i thought i had it all figured out when that came out. it was for sure gonna be 09. but as we know. that was bullshit. so im goin with Oct now.

[jayman414]

the fake one. i thought i had it all figured out when that came out. it was for sure gonna be 09. but as we know. that was bullshit. so im goin with Oct now.

Gotcha ya, I was fairly confused for a moment thinking I had missed one since the fake one came out

[berman1125]

Gotcha ya, I was fairly confused for a moment thinking I had missed one since the fake one came out



yeah i i worded it badly. i thought when it came out that there was no question that a feb 09 release was coming. but it was fake, and that knocks out a lot of info. so now we have a 1 min clip. and a coming soon site. that may seem like it would lean towards a later release because of the little info.

but the way i see it, they could give us the studio site when the tour starts. and with that give us info on: name of the album, release date (Oct/1st weed of nov), and track listings. that gives 5 months of touring/promoting to every single fan you see. how many millions of fans are they playing infront of? and they are promoting to the people that will buy there music! i mean they are at their show. haha

then the tour ends, the album comes out. just in time for xmas. then start touring in jan.

[BigEyedFerg]

(Oct/1st weed of nov)



At least now we know what's really on your mind ;)

[berman1125]

hahaha, sry.

[bbianca1982]

Thats cool. I mean I usually pay attention to what thestand has to say and a few other around here, and he just said he would expect this tour to be along the lines of 2002 (meanig thr album is done). Also, just looking around at TDC, it seems to me that the hints being dropped are this thing is gonna be sooner than later as well. I mean, you just gotta take it for what its worth until somehing real is announced, but as of today, Im gonna lean towards the side of this this is going to be done and released mid tour earliest, fall at the latest.


HAHAHAHA, that site lies more than the National Enquierer. Some assclown over there said that the website was going live last Friday with all sorts of info on it. Please, sooner could be November.

[Semper454]

yea i do see what you are saying, and up until about 3 days ago i was one of the biggest pushers for a feb 09 release on this whole site. but for some reason (cavallo interview) i just think its gonna be out soon. and by soon i mean OCT/or first week of NOV

i mean if they give us the release date of the album when the studio site goes live, which i think will be by the tour, that gives you 5-6 months to hype a album, while the band is on tour.

This doesn't make any sense though. Post-production doesn't take 5 months. If the tracks are done now, the album could be out by July-ish. But I doubt that, because if that was the case, publicity would have gotten started by now. Then, if the tracks aren't done now, there's no time between touring for the band to finish them up before September. And they always take a break post-tour, so I would bet they don't even go back into the studio until October or November. At that point we'd be looking at an Spring/Summer '09 release.

[berman1125]

how do you know post production doesnt take five months. what if they are recording right now. and they finnish in a week. then great ready for the tour. i think Oct is extremly reasonable. the whole tour is gonna be one big commercial.

but i dont think they will play the new songs to death. prolly pick 2 or 3 that they play all the time. but the winter tour is when we get heavy album play

[berman1125]

not too mention fluffys thread about TR3 says, that TR3 is planning a fall release for their studio album so that they can go on tour when dmb is done. so tim will not be in studio with dmb after the tour

[raid24]

What makes you say they're gonna scrap these sessions?

Also, I think a lot of DMB fans couldn't care less about what they do in the studio, as long as they keep coming back to SPAC, Alpine, The Gorge, etc. every year




:thumbsup :thumbsup im one of those fans - to me dmb is a live band, i see em 5-10 times a year and when im listening to their music 95% of the time its a live recording or release - the only thing a studio album means to me is a tour with 7-9 songs off of that album everynight :thumbsdow

[Cornbread4041]

No offense, but that would suck. I want new songs.

you missed the point, my piont is that they could have released an album simliar to that a year ago and tide us over. Or alternatively, if they are now thinking we wont get a new album till 09 release that, tide us over till they can make their EPIC album. Id rather that album now than no album till 09.

[DerekJTR2]

not too mention fluffys thread about TR3 says, that TR3 is planning a fall release for their studio album so that they can go on tour when dmb is done. so tim will not be in studio with dmb after the tour

All th e reason to think they may be done

[jayman414]

not too mention fluffys thread about TR3 says, that TR3 is planning a fall release for their studio album so that they can go on tour when dmb is done. so tim will not be in studio with dmb after the tour



To me this is the clearest indication that DMB is done or very nearly done with this album. Good point

[BigEyedFerg]

To me this is the clearest indication that DMB is done or very nearly done with this album. Good point

Perhaps May 12th will release more info than we originally expected... :eek :eek :thumbsup :thumbsup

[RobRoy286]

DMB first 3 studio albums > DMB Live, all-time

[berman1125]

Perhaps May 12th will release more info than we originally expected... :eek :eek :thumbsup :thumbsup



well im not holding my breath for may 12. thats just a rumor floating around on TDC that made its way here. just like you can get onto the new website right now;)

my guess would be before the start of the tour. we get the new site. and with that a shit ton of info

[aoeiifreak]

DMB first 3 studio albums > DMB Live, all-time

So you're saying when you listen to DMB on your computer, in general you'd rather listen to studio than live? Wow.

[DerekJTR2]

well im not holding my breath for may 12. thats just a rumor floating around on TDC that made its way here. just like you can get onto the new website right now;)

my guess would be before the start of the tour. we get the new site. and with that a shit ton of info

Yeah, I was gonna say, can we go way back? Where did May 12th actually come from? It's just become something that everyone is down with and it's origin is kinda of lost. May 2nd is no better than May 12 IMO

[mcwyffe]

DMB first 3 studio albums > DMB Live, all-time
:thumbsup

[Branty]

I see what the post is saying, but I would rather wait until DMB know that they are satisfied with what they want to put out on an album. I find when I do any sort of work if you look back on it a few months later you start to see things that your not satisfied with and can tweak. I know the end result might not be as good as an earlier version in some peoples opinion, but I guess if the band as a whole and Rob Cavallo think the songs have been improved with the alterations then thats what the final product will be. I guess you could get obsessed with tweaking it, but hopefully that won't happen and someone at some point will need to say, yeah Im satisfied with that.

So in summary I reckon a break over summer from the album will be good and then tweak it up after tour. Thats what I reckon they will do anyway.

Also, I was wondering, have we had anything confirmed saying that Rashawn Ross and Butch Taylor were in the studio this time. Just the email I received from Dave Matthews Band confirming Tim Reynolds is touring all summer mentioned he has been working in the studio with DMB on the album and then it mentions that RR and BT are also touring this summer, but it never mentioned that they were in the studio. I'm probably reading more into this than there is, but if they were not in the studio then maybe they will be adding bits to the album at a later date, like after summer tour? Just a thought anyway

[lockman21]

you missed the point, my piont is that they could have released an album simliar to that a year ago and tide us over. Or alternatively, if they are now thinking we wont get a new album till 09 release that, tide us over till they can make their EPIC album. Id rather that album now than no album till 09.

I wouldn't. I'd rather they took their pick from all those songs in an effort to make this next studio work worth it. I don't want a "Busted Stuff" type deal that is a decent album with great songs. The production/etc of BS is such a joke, yet it has really solid songs. I don't want that. It's lazy bullshit. I'm not impatient. I can live my life without a new DMB studio album every 2 years.

I would just be pissed if they took those songs and perminantely ruined their studio chances forever. The BS versions of Grey Street and Bartender are both SO much better on tLWS, so if it weren't for that disc, those songs would be remembered forever as shitty on studio albums, which I don't want to happen to the likes of Sweet Up and Down, #27, Shotgun, Crazy Easy, etc etc.

DMB first 3 studio albums > DMB Live, all-time

Eh...at times. 1996-1998 DMB live is definitely up there (and 2000 argueably). Songs like BOWA, The Stone, etc can never be topped live. Those studio cuts are perfection.

So you're saying when you listen to DMB on your computer, in general you'd rather listen to studio than live? Wow.

I think what he was saying was that it is a better work of art. Again, listen to BOWA from Under the Table and Dreaming. When the "Hey la la..." hits, tell me that's not beautiful. You can't, because it is. That cut there beats any performance BOWA has or will ever have. DMB put out 3 FANTASTIC studio albums during those years, that sadly get overlooked by the "DMB is a live band" assumption. Steve Lillywhite knew EXACTLY what the band was about and how to make it work in the studio. It was brilliant.

For example, DDTW are two completely totally different monsters (studio/live). Both are great though if you take the time to appreciate both of them. It took me forever to learn to appreciate the subtilties of DDTW in the studio. Alanis is chilling.

[LowEnd_Theory]

So you're saying when you listen to DMB on your computer, in general you'd rather listen to studio than live? Wow.

I listen to UTTAD and BTCS more than any other discs from DMB.

DMB first 3 studio albums > DMB Live, all-time

not sure about all time, but i definatly agree with the point you are making. dmb used to be just as good, if not better in the studio than live imo.

[MistreatedLewis]

DMB first 3 studio albums > DMB Live, all-time

:thumbsup

[BigEyedFerg]

Yeah, I was gonna say, can we go way back? Where did May 12th actually come from? It's just become something that everyone is down with and it's origin is kinda of lost. May 2nd is no better than May 12 IMO

May 12 originated from more reliable sources than smittay, I thought....like along the lines of moses? :confused We can't condemn TDC as a bullshit machine just because of one smartass bullshitter

[berman1125]

So you're saying when you listen to DMB on your computer, in general you'd rather listen to studio than live? Wow.


for some dumb reason all i did was listen to live material for so long. my albums just rotted away on my self. but you should pop in BTCS or Crash. the segues and everything sound so crisp. carter sounds so nice. proudest monkey, 41, crash, stone, rapunzel, last stop.

the point of the studio effort is to make the perfect version of that specific song. of course this would be a little boring if they did it live all the time, and thats why they have solos and change things around. but when they release cornbread, i hope they took the time to make it the best song it could be.

this band is a live band, but the studio stuff should not go unnoticed

[BigEyedFerg]

^The point of studio stuff USED to be to make the highest quality version of the song. With Stand Up, they seemed to forget this, and focused instead on releasing teh 3P1CZ venues in Live Trax :-/

[berman1125]

theres no doubt that you can find better versions of ED BS and SU live, but thats hard to say about the big 3. the reason i said all if that is because when im at my computer i play albums just as much as i play live stuff from DMB.

[BigEyedFerg]

i play albums just as much as i play live stuff from DMB.

I definitely try to balance it out as well :thumbsup

[Kook]

I wouldn't. I'd rather they took their pick from all those songs in an effort to make this next studio work worth it. I don't want a "Busted Stuff" type deal that is a decent album with great songs. The production/etc of BS is such a joke, yet it has really solid songs. I don't want that. It's lazy bullshit. I'm not impatient. I can live my life without a new DMB studio album every 2 years.

I would just be pissed if they took those songs and perminantely ruined their studio chances forever. The BS versions of Grey Street and Bartender are both SO much better on tLWS, so if it weren't for that disc, those songs would be remembered forever as shitty on studio albums, which I don't want to happen to the likes of Sweet Up and Down, #27, Shotgun, Crazy Easy, etc etc.



Eh...at times. 1996-1998 DMB live is definitely up there (and 2000 argueably). Songs like BOWA, The Stone, etc can never be topped live. Those studio cuts are perfection.



I think what he was saying was that it is a better work of art. Again, listen to BOWA from Under the Table and Dreaming. When the "Hey la la..." hits, tell me that's not beautiful. You can't, because it is. That cut there beats any performance BOWA has or will ever have. DMB put out 3 FANTASTIC studio albums during those years, that sadly get overlooked by the "DMB is a live band" assumption. Steve Lillywhite knew EXACTLY what the band was about and how to make it work in the studio. It was brilliant.

For example, DDTW are two completely totally different monsters (studio/live). Both are great though if you take the time to appreciate both of them. It took me forever to learn to appreciate the subtilties of DDTW in the studio. Alanis is chilling.

amen.

take the time to do the songs justice.

we all need to relax, be patient, and show some respect and decency to the band.

honestly, who the hell are we to demand an album to tide us over? who the hell are we to tell dmb that since otis redding recorded an album in a day, they should too? cream did it, jimi did too. stop and think.

they are the musicians and artists. it's their creative process that's completely different from anyone else's. if you want to pump out the studio albums, go start your own band.

just remember; they don't need to release anything. they could stop tomorrow and we'd be left with nothing to look forward to/speculate/argue/complain about. i'm sure they could easily pump out songs, but they have their artistic right that we shouldn't challenge. it's just not respectful. you wouldn't hover over picasso and tell him to hurry up, or ask him why he did that brush stroke instead of this one because it would have looked so much better.

and don't worry about hearing the studio versions of crazy easy, loving wings and whatever isn't on the new album. one day they'll come out. if not on an album, then when rca decides to release on gigantic box set with hundreds of b-sides, some rare live stuff, and misc. shit.

[solsburyhill]

so in comparison, have they been working on this album much longer than they worked on su? i don't remember when they started work for either one.

[BigEyedFerg]

you wouldn't hover over picasso and tell him to hurry up, or ask him why he did that brush stroke instead of this one because it would have looked so much better.

Lulz, Picasso was a crook... stole all of George Braque's ideas!

/nerdy art history lesson

But yeah, I'd say DMB forfeited their status as "artists" with the release of Stand Up. Not saying they'll never be able to recapture the status of "artists" again, but it's going to be a steep hill to climb and they're gonna have to work their asses off. But I agree with you --- really it's none of our business as to what they ultimately do. It's their band. We're just here to enjoy what we choose to enjoy

[RobRoy286]

So you're saying when you listen to DMB on your computer, in general you'd rather listen to studio than live? Wow.Yes. People generally overlook DMB's studio work.

[RobRoy286]

I think what he was saying was that it is a better work of art. Again, listen to BOWA from Under the Table and Dreaming. When the "Hey la la..." hits, tell me that's not beautiful. You can't, because it is. That cut there beats any performance BOWA has or will ever have. DMB put out 3 FANTASTIC studio albums during those years, that sadly get overlooked by the "DMB is a live band" assumption. Steve Lillywhite knew EXACTLY what the band was about and how to make it work in the studio. It was brilliant.

For example, DDTW are two completely totally different monsters (studio/live). Both are great though if you take the time to appreciate both of them. It took me forever to learn to appreciate the subtilties of DDTW in the studio. Alanis is chilling.EXACTLY what I was trying to say. And thumbs up about DDTW, I feel the same way. I've learned to love DDTW studio, I like the chill tempo.

[jmdt52]

dMb writes and does their best in a live environment, the reason studio is often seen as not as good is because the difficulty of capturing that live feel on an album. The only person up to this point who has been able to do that is S. Lillywhite. That is why he is regarded as the ultimate producer. For a dMb album to be great the producer must be able to capture a live feel to the music.

[CapnHani06]

Lulz, Picasso was a crook... stole all of George Braque's ideas!

/nerdy art history lesson

But yeah, I'd say DMB forfeited their status as "artists" with the release of Stand Up. Not saying they'll never be able to recapture the status of "artists" again, but it's going to be a steep hill to climb and they're gonna have to work their asses off. But I agree with you --- really it's none of our business as to what they ultimately do. It's their band. We're just here to enjoy what we choose to enjoy

i rarely vehemently disagree with anything on this site, but this is just an absurd statement. how can you make any kind of assertion of art history prowess and still truly stand by such a seemingly ignorant statement? just because your body of work is not necessarily widely accepted by the masses does not by any means discredit any work completed in the past and what is to be achieved in the future. i know you didn't say it did specifically, but by virtue of your statement you are subsequently doing this by demeriting their work based on recent production.

picasso is an excellent counter-example to this premise; are you trying to tell me that his later work in life during the 1930's and 40's was immediately accepted with open arms by casual admirers and academics alike? absolutely not...this was quite the departure from much of his previous work, as he was a classically-trained artist, and many decried some of these attempts; does that at all discredit his previous work as "art" and himself an "artist"?

by no means am i trying to make any attempt to form any sort of positive correlation between "stand up" and picasso's realism/surrealism period, but i hope you see my point. whether they were highly regarded much later on is entirely irrelevent...the present in both situations is what's important. stand up was just another medium for their unique style of "art". whether you like it or not (and i am no stand up ball-washer myself) has no basis on its status as a work of art in anyone's eyes but their own.

i am well-aware that you probably identify with my last statement pretty closely, but your initial statement doesn't indicate that in the least. the rest of your statement after the bolded seems quite counter-intuitive to your initial assertion, as well, and i tend to agree with your conclusion. not a sermon, just a thought :D


/silly rant that came off like a sermon. i don't mean to sound pretentious or out of line, but that just threw me a bit.