Open discussion on current studio session

[Peppermill]

We are all here on these boards, this forum in particular, for a reason. We want information on the new album and to volley ideas on what songs might be on it, who's guesting, release date, etc. One important question I think we all wonder is if any member of the band visits this site or other websites. A more broader question is: Does the band keep a good pulse on the fanbase either through visiting forums or having personnel keeping an eye on us? I would like your opinion on this. I believe there could be convincing facts to support either side. The reason I think this is such an important question is that I believe that the band is somewhat jaded towards the the fanbase and probably reached that point several years ago after the release of Busted Stuff. I truly think they feel "damned if we do and damned if we don't" I do know that Dave Matthews has said himself that they were going to take their sweet time making this album. The band is going to do what makes them happy, not what might make us happy. So about the time we stop expecting some sort of update or a new studio album site is about the time it'll go up. Kick back, relax...get ready for the tour and maybe expect some sort of news during that time frame.

[BigEyedFerg]

I doubt DMB is hanging on our every word, waiting for us to stop bitching so they can release their new website :shrug

"Oh hey, those retarded fans of ours that made us famous stopped bitching. Guess it's all clear now to open the new album site"

[berman1125]

the band has feelers that are on the site from time to time. wouldnt suprise me if stefan checks in

[BigEyedFerg]

Well there's no question the band checks sites as well-established as this one, but whether we hold any influence over them is another question entirely

[Mateo2k]

Oh, fergie ferg.... always over estimating how much the band checks websites.

[cherone21]

I sure hope noone in here has an influence on them. This place is negative as it gets.

[BigEyedFerg]

Oh, fergie ferg.... always over estimating how much the band checks websites.

Never said they'd check it often... :shrug

[Peppermill]

I doubt DMB is hanging on our every word, waiting for us to stop bitching so they can release their new website :shrug

"Oh hey, those retarded fans of ours that made us famous stopped bitching. Guess it's all clear now to open the new album site"

Oh, absolutely. I completely agree that they are not hanging on our every word so to speak. I do feel they know that their fanbase is getting antsy (no pun intended) for more information on the album, but they don't really care about our desires to get regular updates on what they are doing in the studio. As of today, they are not ready to relinquish anything. All I'm saying is that the band is going to do what is in their best interest first, then maybe...just maybe what might/might not please the fans. I think that they are point in their careers where they could care less about how we feel from one day to the next. Generally speaking they do care about us, but not to the point where they feel the need to keep us happy as much as it is possible. That in itself is impossible and they know it.

[warehouseguy]

See Below... we already have this thread "info comes in ... let's keep this updated"

[Peppermill]

See Below... we already have this thread "info comes in ... let's keep this updated"

This thread was meant to be more about expectations of the fans from the band and their influence or lack there of. If I could go back and change the title of the thread I would.

[bbianca1982]

This thread was meant to be more about expectations of the fans from the band and their influence or lack there of. If I could go back and change the title of the thread I would.

Fans have little influence. Certainly less than they did when the band was in its infancy, but that's not exactly groundbreaking insight. The band is successful beyond its wildest dreams, and assumes (correctly) that the fanbase will continue to turn out in droves regardless of the product. That's not to say they assume they can make bad music--or to give less than their best in the studio--and it be without ramifications, just that an always growing fanbase will offset any defections that result from poor content (Stand Up, Everyday).

This has been disucssed ad nasuem in other threads. Not really ripping ya because who is going to look through 2,000-odd posts in the main thread to find a few comments?

[warehouseguy]

This thread was meant to be more about expectations of the fans from the band and their influence or lack there of. If I could go back and change the title of the thread I would.

k man no worries, sorry for being a bastard anyway, ha, i was finishing up my last day of law finals

[Peppermill]

Fans have little influence. Certainly less than they did when the band was in its infancy, but that's not exactly groundbreaking insight. The band is successful beyond its wildest dreams, and assumes (correctly) that the fanbase will continue to turn out in droves regardless of the product. That's not to say they assume they can make bad music--or to give less than their best in the studio--and it be without ramifications, just that an always growing fanbase will offset any defections that result from poor content (Stand Up, Everyday).

This has been disucssed ad nasuem in other threads. Not really ripping ya because who is going to look through 2,000-odd posts in the main thread to find a few comments?

Oh I know that it's been discussed before countless times and won't take offense if a person states the fact that this isn't a groundbreaking subject. But there are some people on these boards who feel like the band owes them something or that they deserve more than what they are getting out of the band whether it be through new information, varied songs on tour, a better album, etc. The band only owes themselves for these things and a some fans just need to be reminded of that.

[Peppermill]

k man no worries, sorry for being a bastard anyway, ha, i was finishing up my last day of law finals

No problem. I didn't think you were being a bastard at all.

[Northerntube]

having a large fanbase must be such a double-edged sword - on the one hand they must love and acknowledge that they wouldn't be where they are today without all those fans. On the other hand, those fans must be awfully annoying sometimes and maybe counter-productive to producing art. Because artists live and die by being creative - looking forward - but fans have a real compulsion to only look back and hold up their own subjective experiences as highlights.

[Peppermill]

having a large fanbase must be such a double-edged sword - on the one hand they must love and acknowledge that they wouldn't be where they are today without all those fans. On the other hand, those fans must be awfully annoying sometimes and maybe counter-productive to producing art. Because artists live and die by being creative - looking forward - but fans have a real compulsion to only look back and hold up their own subjective experiences as highlights.

And this is why I personally supported Everyday, Dave experimenting solo with Some Devil, and Stand Up. Although these ventures wasn't everyone's cup of tea, they were paths where Dave and the band could experience something different. And if this new album happens to be lumped into that group of ventures rather than with UTTAD, Crash, and BTCS....I wouldn't regard it as a failure like so many other fans have done in the past and might do in the future.

[Mateo2k]

I hear that they're covering a Trust Company song on the new record.

[cherone21]

And this is why I personally supported Everyday, Dave experimenting solo with Some Devil, and Stand Up. Although these ventures wasn't everyone's cup of tea, they were paths where Dave and the band could experience something different. And if this new album happens to be lumped into that group of ventures rather than with UTTAD, Crash, and BTCS....I wouldn't regard it as a failure like so many other fans have done in the past and might do in the future.Well said.

[MistreatedLewis]

And this is why I personally supported Everyday, Dave experimenting solo with Some Devil, and Stand Up. Although these ventures wasn't everyone's cup of tea, they were paths where Dave and the band could experience something different. And if this new album happens to be lumped into that group of ventures rather than with UTTAD, Crash, and BTCS....I wouldn't regard it as a failure like so many other fans have done in the past and might do in the future.

I guess if you consider being as artistically lazy as humanly possible an "experiment"...

[MistreatedLewis]

having a large fanbase must be such a double-edged sword - on the one hand they must love and acknowledge that they wouldn't be where they are today without all those fans. On the other hand, those fans must be awfully annoying sometimes and maybe counter-productive to producing art. Because artists live and die by being creative - looking forward - but fans have a real compulsion to only look back and hold up their own subjective experiences as highlights.

Yes, it was the "fans" that made them have parties and leave Roi alone to do the work on SU...

:rolleyes

[Northerntube]

Yes, it was the "fans" that made them have parties and leave Roi alone to do the work on SU...

:rolleyes

I have no idea what your response has to do with my original statement.

[cherone21]

Yes, it was the "fans" that made them have parties and leave Roi alone to do the work on SU...

:rolleyes
That isn't true. You are officially loosing it.

[MistreatedLewis]

That isn't true. You are officially loosing it.

Keep living on your cloud of DMB denial

[MistreatedLewis]

I have no idea what your response has to do with my original statement.

Put on your thinking cap.

[~Crashintome89~]

The fans will always have influence on the band and what they do. If that wasn't the case, the band wouldn't be touring anymore.

[Northerntube]

Put on your thinking cap.

ok, let me put on my thinking cap for you.

Here's what I think: I think you're a grey cloud on a sunny day. I think you're the taste of vinegar on a baby's silver spoon. I think your knee-jerk Pavlovian reactions to any discussion regarding SU and DMB in general are repetitive, self-serving and wouldn't be so useless if you didn't express yourself so carelessly and without regard for other people. I think you too often regard other members of this community with hostility and condescension and to constantly do that in the face of genuine criticism regarding it, I think you must have a passive/aggressive mixture of megalomania and self-loathing at play.

Now, I said that having a large, vigorous fanbase must be a double-edged sword. The very people who raised you up are the very ones who'll leap to cut you down. Does this sound at all familiar to you?

Your response isn't really a response at all, at least not to the point being raised. It's just another cheap, petty rant, a dime a dozen and just an endless yawn. Another twist of the knife - can't resist can you? - over an album that was released three years ago that - if I have my thinking cap put on correctly - you didn't quite dig. Get over it.

Every discussion board has that one person that just can't help themselves for all the wrong reasons. Nicely played, sir.

[MistreatedLewis]

ok, let me put on my thinking cap for you.

Here's what I think: I think you're a grey cloud on a sunny day. I think you're the taste of vinegar on a baby's silver spoon. I think your knee-jerk Pavlovian reactions to any discussion regarding SU and DMB in general are repetitive, self-serving and wouldn't be so useless if you didn't express yourself so carelessly and without regard for other people. I think you too often regard other members of this community with hostility and condescension and to constantly do that in the face of genuine criticism regarding it, I think you must have a passive/aggressive mixture of megalomania and self-loathing at play.

Now, I said that having a large, vigorous fanbase must be a double-edged sword. The very people who raised you up are the very ones who'll leap to cut you down. Does this sound at all familiar to you?

Your response isn't really a response at all, at least not to the point being raised. It's just another cheap, petty rant, a dime a dozen and just an endless yawn. Another twist of the knife - can't resist can you? - over an album that was released three years ago that - if I have my thinking cap put on correctly - you didn't quite dig. Get over it.

Every discussion board has that one person that just can't help themselves for all the wrong reasons. Nicely played, sir.

You just can't stand my realism.

[bbianca1982]

ok, let me put on my thinking cap for you.

Here's what I think: I think you're a grey cloud on a sunny day. I think you're the taste of vinegar on a baby's silver spoon. I think your knee-jerk Pavlovian reactions to any discussion regarding SU and DMB in general are repetitive, self-serving and wouldn't be so useless if you didn't express yourself so carelessly and without regard for other people. I think you too often regard other members of this community with hostility and condescension and to constantly do that in the face of genuine criticism regarding it, I think you must have a passive/aggressive mixture of megalomania and self-loathing at play.

Now, I said that having a large, vigorous fanbase must be a double-edged sword. The very people who raised you up are the very ones who'll leap to cut you down. Does this sound at all familiar to you?

Your response isn't really a response at all, at least not to the point being raised. It's just another cheap, petty rant, a dime a dozen and just an endless yawn. Another twist of the knife - can't resist can you? - over an album that was released three years ago that - if I have my thinking cap put on correctly - you didn't quite dig. Get over it.

Every discussion board has that one person that just can't help themselves for all the wrong reasons. Nicely played, sir.

You forgot to add that you award him no points, and hope that God grants mercy on his soul.

[BigEyedFerg]

I kind of find Mistreated's bitching humorous... it gets old, yes, but sometimes his bitterness is laughable and enjoyable :lol

[mja271]

you can always count on him for some great sarcastic remarks and negativity, it definitely gives me a good chuckle every now and then.

[BigEyedFerg]

The fans will always have influence on the band and what they do. If that wasn't the case, the band wouldn't be touring anymore.

I have only ONE THING to say to YOU

Go Penguins.

:D :thumbsup :thumbsup

[Sister]

... But there are some people on these boards who feel like the band owes them something or that they deserve more than what they are getting out of the band whether it be through new information, varied songs on tour, a better album, etc. The band only owes themselves for these things and a some fans just need to be reminded of that.

Oh my God.

You just (very succinctly) stated what goes thru my mind every time I get on this board.

BRAVO to you!!

:thumbsup :thumbsup

[MistreatedLewis]

Oh my God.

You just (very succinctly) stated what goes thru my mind every time I get on this board.

BRAVO to you!!

:thumbsup :thumbsup

I just flat out disagree with this.

If I pay the band for a show, I deserve a good show.

If I pay the band for an album, I deserve a good album.

If it's a free concert (CP), I should just be grateful to be there.

[Sister]

I just flat out disagree with this.

If I pay the band for a show, I deserve a good show.

If I pay the band for an album, I deserve a good album.

If it's a free concert (CP), I should just be grateful to be there.

But the idea of what is 'good' and 'not good' is different to every person. What is 'good' to you may not be to someone else, and vice-versa.

Perhaps they need to give you a call before the next album comes out to make sure you will be happy with it. :rolleyes

[MistreatedLewis]

But the idea of 'good' and 'not good' is different to every person. What is 'good' to you may not be to someone else, and vice-versa.

Perhaps they need to give you a call before the next album comes out to make sure you will be happy with it. :rolleyes

This is true.

However, we know how lazy their writing was during the SU sessions. We know how lazy it was after. We know Roi flipped out on the rest of the band, left the studio and didn't talk to them for weeks. So obviously, my opinion that the band was doing shit work for years is not completely alien and psychotic...

I can't demand that they make brilliant music. But I can demand that they try. and in my opinion, and in Roi's and in many other people's (obviously), they were not doing this. And they deserve ever ounce of criticism they ge tfor it.

[Sister]

This is true.

However, we know how lazy their writing was during the SU sessions. We know how lazy it was after. We know Roi flipped out on the rest of the band, left the studio and didn't talk to them for weeks. So obviously, my opinion that the band was doing shit work for years is not completely alien and psychotic...

I can't demand that they make brilliant music. But I can demand that they try. and in my opinion, and in Roi's and in many other people's (obviously), they were not doing this. And they deserve ever ounce of criticism they ge tfor it.

We don't know if it was lazy - many things drive creativity. Lust, hate, frustration, joy...we weren't there during the creation, and I am not going to take the (rumored) frustrations of one of the band members as proof positive that they tossed SU off like a one-minute salami session in the boys room. Sorry.

While it is obvious that SU it wasn't their BEST work, this argument has little to do with the bottom line - which is they will put out the music that those involved have the stamp of approval on. Whether it's good to you or not will have zip to do with it. AS IT SHOULD BE. It's THEIR work, not yours. If you want say-so over the material, start a band. I hear Menudo is getting back together.

You have a right to your feelings, but that doesn't make them true for all, only true for you.

[dmb5570]

honestly, until no one cheers during a SU song, they are going to keep playing them. no matter if you like them or not, there is a lot of cheering when songs from stand up get played, and the band enjoys that energy. if no one cheered, they probably would skip those songs. but just because you think they are crap and ruin a show, obviously does not mean that much because there still are a lot of people wanting those songs. yea, i would prefer a concert with no SU songs on it at all, like they never happened, but they are going to be there, they are just as part of the catalogue as anything else, i cant imagine never going to another concert and missing all the awesome moments.

[Peppermill]

This is true.

However, we know how lazy their writing was during the SU sessions. We know how lazy it was after. We know Roi flipped out on the rest of the band, left the studio and didn't talk to them for weeks. So obviously, my opinion that the band was doing shit work for years is not completely alien and psychotic...

I can't demand that they make brilliant music. But I can demand that they try. and in my opinion, and in Roi's and in many other people's (obviously), they were not doing this. And they deserve ever ounce of criticism they ge tfor it.

Lewis, I think what it boils down to is what a fan likes or dislikes. Did I like Everyday? For the most part no. Busted Stuff, for the most part,yes. Stand Up I loved. Not every song, but the majority and in my opinion that's what makes an album good....to me, not for everyone else. Did the band receive criticism for those releases? Of course they did and more so for Everyday and Stand Up than Busted Stuff.

Does it make a difference to the band what their fanbase thinks about them? Of course they do, but it won't change what THEY want to do. The last time I can remember the band conceding to the fanbase's wishes was when they returned to record Busted Stuff and even that can be questioned. For the most part they just wanted to finish what they started. Delivering to the fanbase might have been just an added bonus. But even still there were ones who couldn't get past the LWS and accept Busted Stuff as another entity. In my opinion making demands isn't a good thing.

[MistreatedLewis]

We don't know if it was lazy - many things drive creativity. Lust, hate, frustration, joy...we weren't there during the creation, and I am not going to take the (rumored) frustrations of one of the band members as proof positive that they tossed SU off like a one-minute salami session in the boys room. Sorry. Well, I'll take that in combination with b) that is sounds like a one-minute salami session to my ears and b) "That's a song!!!" methodology we know they used/

While it is obvious that SU it wasn't their BEST work, this argument has little to do with the bottom line - which is they will put out the music that those involved have the stamp of approval on. Whether it's good to you or not will have zip to do with it. AS IT SHOULD BE. It's THEIR work, not yours. If you want say-so over the material, start a band. I hear Menudo is getting back together.

You have a right to your feelings, but that doesn't make them true for all, only true for you.

Yeah, but I don't have to care if they are true for all or not, in order to post on here, all I have to care is that they are true for me. Because remember what it is that I think is true for me: not that I don't like the music, which I KNOW is true for me, but that it is lazy and bad, which I think is true of the music itself. Sure, it's my opinion, but it IS my opinion and I'm sticking with it.

[MistreatedLewis]

We don't know if it was lazy - many things drive creativity. Lust, hate, frustration, joy...we weren't there during the creation, and I am not going to take the (rumored) frustrations of one of the band members as proof positive that they tossed SU off like a one-minute salami session in the boys room. Sorry.

While it is obvious that SU it wasn't their BEST work, this argument has little to do with the bottom line - which is they will put out the music that those involved have the stamp of approval on. Whether it's good to you or not will have zip to do with it. AS IT SHOULD BE. It's THEIR work, not yours. If you want say-so over the material, start a band. I hear Menudo is getting back together.

You have a right to your feelings, but that doesn't make them true for all, only true for you.

Also, you completely contradict yourself here, by the way. How could we possibly know it isn't their BEST work if we can't have knowledge of whether or not a music is good.

Geez, you don't have to like my opinions, but at least they are consistent...

[MistreatedLewis]

Lewis, I think what it boils down to is what a fan likes or dislikes. Did I like Everyday? For the most part no. Busted Stuff, for the most part,yes. Stand Up I loved. Not every song, but the majority and in my opinion that's what makes an album good....to me, not for everyone else. Did the band receive criticism for those releases? Of course they did and more so for Everyday and Stand Up than Busted Stuff.

Does it make a difference to the band what their fanbase thinks about them? Of course they do, but it won't change what THEY want to do. The last time I can remember the band conceding to the fanbase's wishes was when they returned to record Busted Stuff and even that can be questioned. For the most part they just wanted to finish what they started. Delivering to the fanbase might have been just an added bonus. But even still there were ones who couldn't get past the LWS and accept Busted Stuff as another entity. In my opinion making demands isn't a good thing.

More accurately, from my understanding, the record company wanted their money back that they lost on the downloaded boots, and the band caved like the little industry-whores they can be every now and then - like when they rejected the LWS in the first place.

In the meanwhile, I agree with you that making demands on an artist is not a good thing but I am not doing that - I am simply calling it as I sees it - that the music is shit, and doing what it is rational for me to do in that case, which is not go see them.

[DerekJTR2]

Ya know I rarely agree with MistreatedLewis and I really doubt his love for the band.

BUT THAT MUTHAFUCKA PWNS ALL YA'LL ASSES

[kyledmb]

Stand Up and Everyday were products of a lazy, underachieving DMB.

Some people don't care if the product is born out of laziness, and will enjoy anything a talented group of musicians could possibly release. More power to those people.

But, some believe that DMB set the bar very high for themselves with Crash and BTCS. They openly reject anything that feels half-assed. For these fans, it is the bands fault they are so judgemental of music. The band raised the bar, and it's hard to watch them stuggle hitting the bar again for the last decade. They haven't even got their feet off the ground in many, many aspects of music. And we have every right to be frustrated about that...and even turn morbidly pessimistic about the bands current efforts.

I'm with Lewis on this one, every damn time.

[DerekJTR2]

Stand Up and Everyday were products of a lazy, underachieving DMB.

Some people don't care if the product is born out of laziness, and will enjoy anything a talented group of musicians could possibly release. More power to those people.

But, some believe that DMB set the bar very high for themselves with Crash and BTCS. They openly reject anything that feels half-assed. For these fans, it is the bands fault they are so judgemental of music. The band raised the bar, and it's hard to watch them stuggle hitting the bar again for the last decade. They haven't even got their feet off the ground in many, many aspects of music. And we have every right to be frustrated about that...and even turn morbidly pessimistic about the bands current efforts.

I'm with Lewis on this one, every damn time.

I agree, but I think that you guys are often VASTLY overcritical which makes it practically impossible for you guys to enjoy any new music. You set a bar for yourselves and then it seems you guys miss the point of enjoying the music at all. I just think someone who would skip their concerts because of new songs they don't like is wasting their time even talking about it. What are you gonna do? Write the music for them?

If you are trying to set a climate that will hopefully push the band, fine. It just often seems you just want to spread negativity, when a lot of the people here like a lot of the music a great deal.

[kyledmb]

I agree, but I think that you guys are often VASTLY overcritical which makes it practically impossible for you guys to enjoy any new music. You set a bar for yourselves and then it seems you guys miss the point of loving the band for better or worse. I just think someone who would skip their concerts because of new songs they don't like is wasting their time even talking about it. DMB shows are still practically 75% undeniably great music. I would still pay any amount of money for the 25% that you find to be sub-par

Well, the first line of your post is 100% accurate and utterly sobering of what I have done to myself. I hold everything the band does under a microscope and compair it to their best 3-4 songs off BTCS. So I have ruined it for myself, unfortunately.

However, I don't carry a "for better or worse" philosophy with a band. I tend to fall in love with the music, not the band. I love BTCS, but I definately have liked DMB less and less over the last 6 years or so.

[Northerntube]

For these fans, it is the bands fault they are so judgemental of music.

I sincerely hope nobody actually *really* feels this way.

[DerekJTR2]

However, I don't carry a "for better or worse" philosophy with a band. I tend to fall in love with the music, not the band. I love BTCS, but I definately have liked DMB less and less over the last 6 years or so.

I respect that approach a lot

[Sister]

Also, you completely contradict yourself here, by the way. How could we possibly know it isn't their BEST work if we can't have knowledge of whether or not a music is good.

Geez, you don't have to like my opinions, but at least they are consistent...

Oh Good Gawd...pardon me for not putting the infamous IMO after the statement that SU wasn't their best. I would say that's pretty critical of you, but considering the other things I have read, that wouldn't be a surprise. I can say something is good or bad all day long, but it would only be true for ME.

So we are back to the same argument (actually in agreement) that you are entitled to your opinion (as we all are) but that it doesn't/shouldn't dictate what the band will put out.

DerekJTR, as far as being 'owned', I think not. While you may value his opinion over mine or feel more strongly that he is correct(as is your right), it does not make him right (or me either, for that matter). Art is subjective, not right or wrong.

[MistreatedLewis]

Oh Good Gawd...pardon me for not putting the infamous IMO after the statement that SU wasn't their best. I would say that's pretty critical of you, but considering the other things I have read, that wouldn't be a surprise. I can say something is good or bad all day long, but it would only be true for ME.

So we are back to the same argument (actually in agreement) that you are entitled to your opinion (as we all are) but that it doesn't/shouldn't dictate what the band will put out.

DerekJTR, as far as being 'owned', I think not. While you may value his opinion over mine or feel more strongly that he is correct(as is your right), it does not make him right (or me either, for that matter). Art is subjective, not right or wrong.

Well good glad we worked that out

[devilandthelord]

Stand Up and Everyday were products of a lazy, underachieving DMB.

Some people don't care if the product is born out of laziness, and will enjoy anything a talented group of musicians could possibly release. More power to those people.

But, some believe that DMB set the bar very high for themselves with Crash and BTCS. They openly reject anything that feels half-assed. For these fans, it is the bands fault they are so judgemental of music. The band raised the bar, and it's hard to watch them stuggle hitting the bar again for the last decade. They haven't even got their feet off the ground in many, many aspects of music. And we have every right to be frustrated about that...and even turn morbidly pessimistic about the bands current efforts.

I'm with Lewis on this one, every damn time.

Correction, Everyday was the product of a lazy and underachieving Dave and the horrible Glen Ballard.

[DerekJTR2]

Mistreated is just better than most as formulating his argument fully and completely. Thats what I mean by PWNAGE!

[kyledmb]

I sincerely hope nobody actually *really* feels this way.

Well, to a certain extent I do. As drastic as it may seem. Hey, if they never wrote Spoon, Two Step, Seek Up, Dreaming Tree, The Stone, etc. I would have much less in the way of expectations I do now.

Maybe I should call it the band's "fault." But it is the band's doing. And setting that standard is a great thing, but has now backfired and become a bad thing...or maybe a "haunting" thing.

[kyledmb]

Correction, Everyday was the product of a lazy and underachieving Dave and the horrible Glen Ballard.

Dave, DMB, the producer...all the same to me when working on a collaborative effort. If the product sucks, they live and die by it together. Pointing the finger at one element of the process is just futile.

[BigEyedFerg]

...or maybe a "haunting" thing.

ZOMG HAUNT1NG 3P1C 3N3RGYZZ

:rolleyes

I kinda agree with DerekJTR2... Mistreated constructs a fairly impenetrable argument. That's why people can basically just tell him to stop bitching, and it's his right to bitch to be quite frank

[Northerntube]

oh everybody has a right to bitch, no doubt.

they also have choices.

[Branty]

And this is why I personally supported Everyday, Dave experimenting solo with Some Devil, and Stand Up. Although these ventures wasn't everyone's cup of tea, they were paths where Dave and the band could experience something different. And if this new album happens to be lumped into that group of ventures rather than with UTTAD, Crash, and BTCS....I wouldn't regard it as a failure like so many other fans have done in the past and might do in the future.

I agree.

[Branty]

I look forward to more updates about the album and stuff, but I think half the fun is the expectation. All these discussions about what the album could be like are great and if we had too much info and updates these discussions would not happen. I'm a relatively new fan and I really enjoy looking on here and seeing what other people think and what songs from the past they hope will be on the album. Living in the UK, we get pretty much no info whatsoever on DMB and so I enjoy seeing all this speculation on here, which like I said you would not get if all the info and album was out within a week.

[timgengler]

oh everybody has a right to bitch, no doubt.

they also have choices.



Poor lewis... on a web site for a band that he isnt all that into anymore... Makes me wonder how empty his life is if he sticks around just to be a prick and bitch about stuff... Yep... People have the right to bitch if they want, it's just kind of indicitive of a person's personality to exercise their right to whine instead. The only thing amusing is about him is how he and his groupies take pride in being dicks when they could be doing something worthwhile or uplifiting...

Me? Im just bored at work (:

[BigEyedFerg]

Me? Im just bored at work (:

Amen, without AM.org, my days at work would be brutal

[crawfish]

I guess if you consider being as artistically lazy as humanly possible an "experiment"...

I can see things haven't changed much since the last time I came around here. You're still acting like a baby and bitching and moaning about Stand Up. My god. Do you ever stop???

[crawfish]

Poor lewis... on a web site for a band that he isnt all that into anymore... Makes me wonder how empty his life is if he sticks around just to be a prick and bitch about stuff... Yep... People have the right to bitch if they want, it's just kind of indicitive of a person's personality to exercise their right to whine instead. The only thing amusing is about him is how he and his groupies take pride in being dicks when they could be doing something worthwhile or uplifiting...

Me? Im just bored at work (:

For the life of me I just don't understand that guy.

[crawfish]

Ya know I rarely agree with MistreatedLewis and I really doubt his love for the band.

BUT THAT MUTHAFUCKA PWNS ALL YA'LL ASSES

I can see you're acting like a child.

[DerekJTR2]

I can see you're acting like a child.

Right, or trying to keep the conversation light.

We are constantly going back and forth in a serious and hateful manner, why do we keep losing sight of why we are here. We all love the most kick ass band in the world.

I'm saying if Lewis wants to bitch about things, that's fine, it may make no sense to us but at least he takes the time to formulate his arguments fully and completely

[MistreatedLewis]

Poor lewis... on a web site for a band that he isnt all that into anymore... Makes me wonder how empty his life is if he sticks around just to be a prick and bitch about stuff... Yep... People have the right to bitch if they want, it's just kind of indicitive of a person's personality to exercise their right to whine instead. The only thing amusing is about him is how he and his groupies take pride in being dicks when they could be doing something worthwhile or uplifiting...

Me? Im just bored at work (:

um, DMB is still one of my two favorite bands, so I'd say I'm still into them. Asshole.

[MistreatedLewis]

For the life of me I just don't understand that guy.

Why do you care?

[bbianca1982]

I can see things haven't changed much since the last time I came around here. You're still acting like a baby and bitching and moaning about Stand Up. My god. Do you ever stop???

I remember you. Didn't you say something stupid last time you made an appearance?

[MistreatedLewis]

I remember you. Didn't you say something stupid last time you made an appearance?

:lol that cracked me up

[Northerntube]

um, DMB is still one of my two favorite bands, so I'd say I'm still into them. Asshole.

what's the other band you hate?

[crawfish]

I remember you. Didn't you say something stupid last time you made an appearance?

Bianca.... I remember you too. I don't say stupid things like some people around here. I'm probably a little older than most of the DMB fans so I like to act my age.

[DerekJTR2]

Eat drink and be merry people...

If you want to catfight, let it be about politics or some bullshit like that.

This is getting childish

[MistreatedLewis]

what's the other band you hate?

Radiohead is my other favorite. Fortunately, one of my two favorite bands didn't fall off an artistic cliff this decade.

[crawfish]

Right, or trying to keep the conversation light.

We are constantly going back and forth in a serious and hateful manner, why do we keep losing sight of why we are here. We all love the most kick ass band in the world.

I'm saying if Lewis wants to bitch about things, that's fine, it may make no sense to us but at least he takes the time to formulate his arguments fully and completely

Honestly I don't know why some people are here cause all they do is bitch and complain.

[MistreatedLewis]

Honestly I don't know why some people are here cause all they do is bitch and complain.

Why do you care?

[crawfish]

Why do you care?

Why do you always complain, bitch and moan?

[bibby1044]

Im still wondering why people still bother to bitch about Lewis bitching cause everytime someone does he just ends up pwning them anyway, its a lost cause.

[MistreatedLewis]

Why do you always complain, bitch and moan?

I don't always.

But to the extent that I do complain, bitch, and moan, why do you care?

[MistreatedLewis]

Im still wondering why people still bother to bitch about Lewis bitching cause everytime someone does he just ends up pwning them anyway, its a lost cause.

:lol thanks

[crawfish]

I don't always.

But to the extent that I do complain, bitch, and moan, why do you care?

I don't care.

[MistreatedLewis]

I don't care.

Oh, ok.

[BigEyedFerg]

Arggh, this is tedious to read through... :thumbsdow

[DerekJTR2]

:lol:lol:lolOh, ok.

He clearly cares.

He would care cuz it adds to the overall mood of the message boards. But whatever, deal with it.

The best we can hope is that DMB treats Lewis well this summer ;)

[bubba40]

Just for the record, Lewis is probably my favorite poster.

[crawfish]

:lol:lol:lol

He clearly cares.

He would care cuz it adds to the overall mood of the message boards. But whatever, deal with it.

The best we can hope is that DMB treats Lewis well this summer ;)

Um... no I don't.

[LowEnd_Theory]

I can see things haven't changed much since the last time I came around here. You're still acting like a baby and bitching and moaning about Stand Up. My god. Do you ever stop???

By bitching and moaning, do you mean giving his opinion on Stand Up when Stand Up is being discussed?

[DerekJTR2]

By bitching and moaning, do you mean giving his opinion on Stand Up when Stand Up is being discussed?

I see what you're getting at, but it does go beyond that to an extent.

ANYWAY

This thread isn't called "Open discussion on MistreatedLewis"

so moving on...

[timgengler]

um, DMB is still one of my two favorite bands, so I'd say I'm still into them. Asshole.

If I talked about my friends, my mom or anything the way you talk about and bash DMB, they would all think I hated them. You seem like you are into the DMB that once was judging from your hateful posts... If you were that into them, I dont see how you could possibly be questioning going to any shows this season, EVEN WITH TIMMY there. Case closed.



... asshole (:

[timgengler]

what's the other band you hate?



LOLOLOL!!!!!!

Nice

(:

[kingchrisII]

honestly people, when i first came here just looking through posts i was like this mistreated lewis person is a dick he just keeps ragging on the band, why even post?

however, "i see it now without the up there is no down without the loud there is no soft"

without him and other peoples idealogies this site would be a whole bunch of people talking about how great everything dmb did was (i am one of those people) but what fun is it when everyone thinks the same? we can argue and debate all we want, but its not worth taking it personal, respect both sides because without the other side your side isnt as significant.

offtopic: didnt dave matthews produce the last radiohead album? (just curious i know it was sold through ATO records)

[DerekJTR2]

offtopic: didnt dave matthews produce the last radiohead album? (just curious i know it was sold through ATO records)

Nah. Nigel Godrich was the producer. Dave actually being the hands-on producer would be a huge deal.

[bigeyedfish190]

Radiohead is my other favorite. Fortunately, one of my two favorite bands didn't fall off an artistic cliff this decade.

eyy-oh, same favorite two bands. :highfive

in other news, as of this morning, I finally understand disc 2 of the white album.

I get it!:bounce

[Flip36]

eyy-oh, same favorite two bands. :highfive

in other news, as of this morning, I finally understand disc 2 of the white album.

I get it!:bounce

hm, glad to see we get it now :monkey