Official Rules

[PantalaNagaMan]

Hello everyone – and welcome to the 2008 Dave Matthews Band “Fantasy Tour”. I’m Jantz, as a lot of you may know already, the creator of the Fantasy Tour – but not at all the sole innovator of the tour. Last year, after struggling with personal issues, a good friend took over the league for the year (John) with the help of some amazing Ants (Maya, bradshaw, nick, taparoo, TGaucho, etc..etc..), and I – also hope that all of you – send them a large thank you for not letting this creation die.

This year though, will prove to be a stepping stone in getting this Fantasy Tour to remain in high regards to DMB fans all around the world. Several changes have taken place (largely due to a great idea stemmed from Van Horne Dog), and I will overview EVERYTHING in this thread. This thread is meant for Questions, Explanations, and also a roll call – so I know who is committed to the league in case we can fill your spot with someone that is.

So, let’s get things started.

The Rules

If you are familar with Fantasy Baseball, Football, Basketball, etc..etc.., than you know about positional picking (which will be a new aspect in this year's game).

In Fantasy Baseball owners are to choose: 1st Baseman, 2nd Baseman, Pitchers, OF’s, Closers, etc..etc.. so why not the same for our league? This year will require you to be a little bit more active, but it will show to be a lot more fairer on the scoring aspect and the actuality of it being a game rather than just a draft and watching your songs come up. Every league will have 10 players and each team will have 10 songs. This is quite the upgrade from last year’s 7, but watch how it will play out.

Each team is required to have in their “starting lineup”

Opener:
Set Song:
Set Song;
Set Song:
Set Song:
Closer:
Encore Song:

Bench Song:
Bench Song:
Bench Song:

This system will help out with the “multiple night” stands the band is playing. You can change the position of your songs every night in your League's thread, just for varification purposes. If it is not changed an hour before show time the change does not count and you will be granted points on how your song lineup was the show before.

So you may ask now, “How does this work Jantz?”

Well, listen up.

Scoring For Your Songs:

Songs will no longer be rated by Groups, songs will have a price and each owner, having certain amount of money to work with - will be able to draft those songs.

For example:

All Along The Watchtower ($2 - 3 /4 / 4)
American Baby ($2 - 3 / 4 / 4)
American Baby Intro ( $1 - 4 / 5 / 5)
Ants Marching ($5 - 2 / 3 / 3)


Each team will have a certain amount to money to work with and they can purchase any song they want. The money value of the song is determine by the songs grouping - but players no longer have to select songs based on grouping. Songs that are more likely played often will be higher priced but less riskier when it comes to points. Let’s take Ants Marching for example:

It is : Ants Marching ($5 - 2 / 3 / 3)

It cost 5 of your Fantasy Dollars to spend to draft the song, but it is worth 2 points if placed in “Set Song” / 3 points if placed in “Opener / Closer / Encore” / 3 points if played with a guest.

So if for the night your team is:

Opener: Rapunzel
Set Song: Cornbread
Set Song: Sleep To Dream Her
Set Song: Lover Lay Down
Set Song: Jimi Thing
Closer: Tripping Billies
Encore: Ants Marching

If Ants Marching closed the set - you would receive 2 points for the song being played. If Ants Marching opened the set, you would receive 2 points for the song being played. If Ants Marching was featured in the Encore you would receive 3 points for proper placement. If Ants Marching was featured in the Encore w. Danny Barnes on Banjo you would receive a maximum of 4 points for the ultimate prize for that song.

Also note: Butch Taylor, Rashawn Ross and Tim Reynolds (Granted they play the entire set each night) are not considered guests on these songs. So the 4 points will be hard to get)

What about new songs?

Songs like: Shotgun, Cornbread, #27, Sweet Up and Down, The Idea of You, etc..etc.. will be pre-determined values that can be bought. For new songs we will have four new songs spots available for each league that a player can buy. They will most likely be the same values as the above mentioned songs. After these four new songs are bought we will assign new songs to players who had bought “New Song” options during the draft. No other picking up of new songs is allowed.

Trading Songs:

Songs can be traded up until midway through the tour. With this said, trades must be for the same money value. If you trade away a $5 song - you should receive anything that will equal $5 (ex: two $2 songs and a $1 song). Trades are to be brought up to the league commissioner.

How much do you have to spend? – You have $45.00 to do what you please with.

The Song Values:

#27 ($5 - 2 / 3 / 3)
#34 ($2 - 3 / 4 / 4)
#40 ($2 - 3 / 4 / 4)
#41 ($4 - 2 / 3 / 4)
All Along The Watchtower ($4 - 2 / 3 / 4)
American Baby ($2 - 3 / 4 / 4)
American Baby Intro ($4 - 2 / 3 / 4)
An Another Thing ( $1 - 4 / 5 / 5)
Angel ( $1 - 4 / 5 / 5)
Angel From Montgomery ( $1 - 4 / 5 / 5)
Ants Marching ($5 - 2 / 3 / 3)
Anyone Seen The Bridge ($5 - 2 / 3 / 3)
Baby ( $1 - 4 / 5 / 5)
Bartender ($4 - 2 / 3 / 4)
Best Of What’s Around ($2 - 3 / 4 / 4)
Big Eyed Fish ($2 - 3 / 4 / 4)
Black Water ($2 - 3 / 4 / 4)
Blackbird ($2 - 3 / 4 / 4)
Blue Water ( $1 - 4 / 5 / 5)
Break Free ($2 - 3 / 4 / 4)
Busted Stuff ($2 - 3 / 4 / 4)
Butterfly ($2 - 3 / 4 / 4)
Can’t Stop ($2 - 3 / 4 / 4)
Captain ($2 - 3 / 4 / 4)
Christmas Song ($2 - 3 / 4 / 4)
Cornbread ($5 - 2 / 3 / 3)
Cortez The Killer ( $1 - 4 / 5 / 5)
Cover Song ($4 - 2 / 3 / 4)
Crash Into Me ($5 - 2 / 3 / 3)
Crazy Easy ( $1 - 4 / 5 / 5)
Crush ($4 - 2 / 3 / 4)
Cry Freedom ($2 - 3 / 4 / 4)
Dancing Nancies ($4 - 2 / 3 / 4)
Digging A Ditch ($4 - 2 / 3 / 4)
Dodo ( $1 - 4 / 5 / 5)
Don’t Drink The Water ($5 - 2 / 3 / 3)
Down By The River ($2 - 3 / 4 / 4)
Dreamgirl ($5 - 2 / 3 / 3)
Dream So Real, A ($5 - 2 / 3 / 3)
Dreaming Tree, The ($4 - 2 / 3 / 4)
Dreams Of Our Fathers ( $1 - 4 / 5 / 5)
Drive In Drive Out ($2 - 3 / 4 / 4)
Eh Hee ($5 - 2 / 3 / 3)
Everybody Wake Up ($2 - 3 / 4 / 4)
Everyday ($5 - 2 / 3 / 3)
Exodus ($2 - 3 / 4 / 4)
Fool To Think ($4 - 2 / 3 / 4)
Grace Is Gone ($4 - 2 / 3 / 4)
Granny ($4 - 2 / 3 / 4)
Gravedigger ($5 - 2 / 3 / 3)
Grey Blue Eyes ($2 - 3 / 4 / 4)
Grey Street ($5 - 2 / 3 / 3)
Halloween ($2 - 3 / 4 / 4)
Hello Again ($2 - 3 / 4 / 4)
Help Myself ($2 - 3 / 4 / 4)
Hunger For The Great Light ($5 - 2 / 3 / 3)
I Did It ($2 - 3 / 4 / 4)
Idea of You, The ($5 - 2 / 3 / 3)
If I Had It All ($4 - 2 / 3 / 4)
I’ll Back You Up ($4 - 2 / 3 / 4)
Improv ($2 - 3 / 4 / 4)
Jimi Thing ($4 - 2 / 3 / 4)
Joyride ($4 - 2 / 3 / 4)
JTR ($2 - 3 / 4 / 4)
Kill The King ( $1 - 4 / 5 / 5)
Kit Kat Jam ($2 - 3 / 4 / 4)
Last Stop, The ($2 - 3 / 4 / 4)
Let You Down ( $1 - 4 / 5 / 5)
Lie In Our Graves ($4 - 2 / 3 / 4)
Linus and Lucy ($2 - 3 / 4 / 4)
Little Thing ($2 - 3 / 4 / 4)
Long Black Veil ( $1 - 4 / 5 / 5)
Louisiana Bayou ($5 - 2 / 3 / 3)
Loving Wings ($4 - 2 / 3 / 4)
Lover Lay Down ($2 - 3 / 4 / 4)
Mac Head (You automatically win)
Maker, The ($4 - 2 / 3 / 4)
Minarets ($2 - 3 / 4 / 4)
Monkey Man ( $1 - 4 / 5 / 5)
Mother Father ($2 - 3 / 4 / 4)
New Song ($5 - 2 / 3 / 3)
New Song ($5 - 2 / 3 / 3)
New Song ($5 - 2 / 3 / 3)
New Song ($5 - 2 / 3 / 3)
Oh ($2 - 3 / 4 / 4)
Old Dirt Hill ($2 - 3 / 4 / 4)
One Sweet World ($4 - 2 / 3 / 4)
Out Of My Hands ($4 - 2 / 3 / 4)
Pay For What You Get ($2 - 3 / 4 / 4)
Pig ($4 - 2 / 3 / 4)
Proudest Monkey ($2 - 3 / 4 / 4)
Rapunzel ($5 - 2 / 3 / 3)
Raven ($2 - 3 / 4 / 4)
Recently ($2 - 3 / 4 / 4)
Rhyme and Reason ($4 - 2 / 3 / 4)
Round and Round ($4 - 2 / 3 / 4)
Run While We Can ($2 - 3 / 4 / 4)
Satellite ($4 - 2 / 3 / 4)
Save Me ($2 - 3 / 4 / 4)
Say Goodbye ($2 - 3 / 4 / 4)
Seek Up ($4 - 2 / 3 / 4)
Shotgun ($4 - 2 / 3 / 4)
Sister ($5 - 2 / 3 / 3)
Sleep To Dream Her ($2 - 3 / 4 / 4)
Smooth Rider ($2 - 3 / 4 / 4)
So Damn Lucky ($4 - 2 / 3 / 4)
So Much To Say ($5 - 2 / 3 / 3)
So Right ($2 - 3 / 4 / 4)
Some Devil ($4 - 2 / 3 / 4)
Song That Jane Likes ($2 - 3 / 4 / 4)
Space Between ($2 - 3 / 4 / 4)
Spoon ( $1 - 4 / 5 / 5)
Stand Up ($4 - 2 / 3 / 4)
Stay ($5 - 2 / 3 / 3)
Stay Or Leave ($2 - 3 / 4 / 4)
Steady As We Go ($2 - 3 / 4 / 4)
Still Water ($2 - 3 / 4 / 4)
Stone, The ($2 - 3 / 4 / 4)
Stolen Away on 55th and 3rd ($2 - 3 / 4 / 4)
Sugar Will ( $1 - 4 / 5 / 5)
Sweet Caroline ( $1 - 4 / 5 / 5)
Sweet Up and Down ($4 - 2 / 3 / 4)
Too High ( $1 - 4 / 5 / 5)
Too Much ($5 - 2 / 3 / 3)
Trouble ( $1 - 4 / 5 / 5)
Trouble With You ( $1 - 4 / 5 / 5)
True Reflections ( $1 - 4 / 5 / 5)
Tripping Billies ($4 - 2 / 3 / 4)
Two Step ($4 - 2 / 3 / 4)
Typical Situation ($2 - 3 / 4 / 4)
Up and Away ( $1 - 4 / 5 / 5)
Warehouse ($4 - 2 / 3 / 4)
What Would You Say ($4 - 2 / 3 / 4)
What You Are ($2 - 3 / 4 / 4)
When The World Ends ($5 - 2 / 3 / 3)
Where Are You Going ($4 - 2 / 3 / 4)
You Might Die Trying ($5 - 2 / 3 / 3)
You Never Know ($2 - 3 / 4 / 4)

24 $5.00 Songs
36 $4.00 Songs
52 $2.00 Songs
21 $1.00 Songs

The Leagues:

League Bartender -
Taparoo
Ascf33
kgs305
~crashintome89~
dmb2007
kevinmavs
superfan
sk0116
tallfire8
Aubrie

League Busted Stuff -
Bradshaw06
Rickyh24
weller3377
zachyd
djpfive
charles3441
kngsnorkie
bustdstuff
bluemunkie20
LovinthoseWings

League Granny -
ants_marching41
rnieves
Pikegulley
clayj41
gibbonpd
jsilvia2
BehindBlueyes16
Sniper15
smartbill
wedge914

League Last Stop -
seanieb
Joyride4136
FenceJ7
jmdt52
tallfire8
rick8285
Mattstl1
DaveMB36
Sutmaster6

League Lover Lay Down -
wingnut73
berman1125
theotisone
sillyz
Nancies >> WH
Thehoss
rball1127
TGaucho
Peregrine
macalex12

League Pig -
Semper454
DoDaFoo
DJGeneral
rebels07
bbianca1982
marcoj
hyoung41
sko116
MPizzle06
RavenMaven

League Say Goodbye
martindcx1e
temptedcandyman
dmbfan4ever
AntsCrushMe
godfather Kevin
DMBZeppelin
tofixyou
CamCam176
dreamingtreeIU
hbktonyb

League So Right -
Senator12
moosicmaniac
speilman230
Pig17
wingnut73
Dramageek
urlittlebrother
mrwendels a bum
Rockhound18
Mcbong

League Sweet Up and Down -
Maya
webbo 5
DirtyDeeds449
dmbatl07
Steady37
haasem99
Freddy35
Issacdinho12
zdaddy
OneSweetFish

League Two Step -
boatchg
bdj1311
colegibson
Bluewater13
PantalaNagaMan
fan42days
Newcane
Flip36
Minkisman03
Boarderx5423

League Hello Again
nick45
symbian
WastingTime
JMoneyDMB
Raid24
Bibby1044
Jrh83
Dmblars39
Twostep7221
Rosen4

League Shotgun
Americanemu25
Dmbowa
Rebels07
BrahmaBull
Haasem99
Achota33
DMBFan41
DMBnick15
Bennettr
Rball1127

As you may notice we have increased our league by 20 people, and now run a 12 league system. This will in fact play a large part in the changing of the Playoff structure as well as the competition in general.

We now have conferences…to make it more of a realistic type game. The conferences are divided equally (6 in each conference).

Conference Alpine consists of: League Bartender, Busted Stuff, Granny, Lover Lay Down, Last Stop, and Pig.

Conference SPAC consists of: League So Right, Sweet Up and Down, Say Goodbye, Two Step, Hello Again, and Shotgun.

The Playoffs:

The winners of the leagues will be entered automatically into the playoffs at the end of the season. Two teams with the largest amounts of points (that did not win their league) will be named Wild Cards for the playoffs. Making it a 16 man playoff, 8 from each conference.

We will base seeding at the end of the year – based on the amount of points you received up until the playoff decision time. The bracket will be set up exactly like the bracket of an NBA Playoff system. You have the first round, the second round, the conference championship, and finally the Ultimate Final.

Owners will face each other for two/three shows each round. The highest amount of points after the two shows advances to the next round in the playoffs.

The First Round: 8/22 and 8/23
The Second Round: 8/25 and 8/26
The Conference Championship: 8/29, 8/30, 8/31 (The Gorge Run)
The Finals: 9/05, 9/06, 9/07 (The final 3 shows)

That leaves 43 shows for the regular season, and 10 shows for the playoffs. I think this system will be a lot more fun, and will work out a lot better.

The Draft:

After we receive moderators for each league, draft times will be determined amongst the league (fitting all schedules as best as we can)

Help Needed:

I am working on a website right now, but will need someone that knows more than I do about spreadsheets to help me develop an Excell sheet that will lead to easier scoring for the leagues. John if your available maybe you can help again, if not – if you know Excell please help!!

Also in regards to the website, if you know any sort of scripting that will help make updating the website either, please contact me.

We also need league captains and moderators. It will be your job to get the lineups of your 10 league members each night and take down the scoring each night (remember, bench songs don’t get points – they must be in their starting lineup). So I am going to need 11 people besides me….one for each league.

I also would like someone just to be my right hand man/woman more so a “Vice President” in the league, just to overview overall operations. (or in case I just bail out again this year, :) lol.)

Please, put all questions in this thread and I will answer them all. I think I have covered everything – and I am very comfortable with everything that is taking place. I am sure it is going to be a blast this year!

Jantz.

[tallfire8]

This is what I've been waiting for!!!:multi

[PantalaNagaMan]

This is what I've been waiting for!!!:multi

You knew I'd come through. ;)

[BlueWater13]

I am ready to get this started!!

[bradshaw06]

:thumbsup liking the new setup. should be alot more competitive

[bluemunkie20]

yes!!! can't wait! :monkey

[mikeykelly21]

anyone have another spot

[Minarets#40]

Jantz, I can provide some help with the Excel - shoot me a PM telling me what kind of thing you're looking for. I should tell you, I'm starting my final exams tomorrow, so I'll be a bit pressed for time in the next week or so, and thus probably can't work a miracle with pulling out a sweet spreadsheet right away, but I'll do what i can

[jmdt52]

Jantz, this is my role call response... I can't wait to get this thing crackin this year.

[mikeykelly21]

I am new to this so how do i get into the fantasy league?

[bibby1044]

Cant wait, I wont let Dave misquotes (Last Stop) bring me down again.

[rickyh24]

Sounds good......I'm exited to see how this works out since its my first year.

[raid24]

thank you thank you thank you to all who put their time and effort into getting this going, im really stoked - this is gonna be a blast..... im a little sad that i got put into the inferior (venue) conference ( :lol couldnt help myself sorry ) i do have one question: can we only trade with other teams or can we trade with the free agent(song) pool???

[Isaacdinho12]

this is going to be exciting. as far as league captains/moderators i would enjoy helping out as much as possible. let me know if there is anything i may be of service of. I'm in league sweet up and down.

[bustdstuff]

Jantz, this is above and beyond. Last year was really good for a first year thing, but the new system looks just awesome.

[bradshaw06]

its going to be a great summer:)

[McBong]

I am so down to be a mod/GM/ manwhore to this cause. :thumbsup

I hate to be a bitch but can i get traded to league Say Goodbye? Im pulling a Eli Manning on your asses... :lol I kid, but if you could that would be awesome, if not fuck it, im still down to own your asses from League So Right. :thumbsup

[McBong]

Maybe if i have free time tomorrow *cough after i get high* ill work on an excel sheet, dont expect miracles, since it might take me a long time to make it... (after the numerous trips to fast food joints) but ill try to get something together, or at the very least try to add something to this, whatever pops in my mind first... Cool?

[tallfire8]

Do we have an estimated draft date?? And how do you figure out the draft order?

[bustdstuff]

thank you thank you thank you to all who put their time and effort into getting this going, im really stoked - this is gonna be a blast..... im a little sad that i got put into the inferior (venue) conference ( :lol couldnt help myself sorry ) i do have one question: can we only trade with other teams or can we trade with the free agent(song) pool???

Last year we traded with the "free agent" pool. I would imagine it would work the same way, and you can do it with other fantasy sports.


My question would be about the new songs. When these debut will they be "assigned" or will the person who drafted highest get the first pick of them?

[MPizzle06]

So we're supposed to start new '08 threads for our respective leagues, and then decide in them when to have a draft of songs?

[bustdstuff]

I'm sure that Jantz and the mods will determine a draft date.

[newscane]

Looking forward to this, especially since I'm in League Two Step and the SPAC Conference :D

[bibby1044]

If Hello Again needs a mod just let me know.

[clayj41]

<---League Granny and Alpine Conference Champion :D

[bradshaw06]

<---League Granny and Alpine Conference Champion :D
:violent we shall see friend

id also like to be a mod again:)

[symbian]

Ill help with being a captain, mod or excel help.

Let me know

[DMBisTBOWA]

How can I get in on this?

[mikeykelly21]

I am wanting to join a league but i dont know how to get signed up in one. If somebody could lend a hand it would bw appreciated.

[LovinthoseWings]

quick question, tims not considerd a guest right, it has to be like barnes and randoph, ect. no tim right. this is going to be awesome, better than my baseball lol

[LovinthoseWings]

never mind i just read that part, my bad

[bustdstuff]

How can I get in on this?

I am wanting to join a league but i dont know how to get signed up in one. If somebody could lend a hand it would bw appreciated.


As far as I know registration is closed.

[LovinthoseWings]

yea it seems like everything is done, all the leagues are made, sucks if u didnt get in cuz its goin to be siiiick

[ant_marching41]

I'm here.

[webbo_5]

Looking forward to league Sweet Up and Down.

[McBong]

*starts singing* I was gonna make an Excel sheet but then I got high, I was going to work on the league but then I got high, Now im posting on Ants and I know why, 'cuz I got high, Because I got high, Because I got high

[rickyh24]

:lol

[bustdstuff]

*starts singing* I was gonna make an Excel sheet but then I got high, I was going to work on the league but then I got high, Now im posting on Ants and I know why, 'cuz I got high, Because I got high, Because I got high

:lol You crack me up.


I could help with the excel stuff, but I don't know Jantz wants it organized.

[MPizzle06]

I'm here and ready!!

Never really got into fantasy sports, but this is going to be awesome as hell!

[raid24]

*starts singing* I was gonna make an Excel sheet but then I got high, I was going to work on the league but then I got high, Now im posting on Ants and I know why, 'cuz I got high, Because I got high, Because I got high



:lol good work :thumbsup

[bennettr]

Here! I can't be of any help really.. I would be interested in seeing the Excel spreadsheet when its done, though.

[Minarets#40]

It's going to be really tough making an Excel spreadsheet to do this... I read up on the rules and I've been thinking about it for a little while and there are some serious issues with doing this through a spreadsheet. Since everyone can change up their lineup every night, it requires changing something for everyone every show. That's a pretty big challenge to accomodate through a spreadsheet. I think the only chance for making the scoring not all by hand is to make some sort of website where people can go in and change up their lineup themselves, and which uses some sort of program to calculate the scores. Last year, Maya's boyfriend made some kind of website that used the old scoring method pretty effectively. I don't want to ask of him to make something like that again, since it was a lot of work and it would suck to have to go back and completely revamp it. However, I'd say the chances of someone figuring out how to effectively use Excel for this are slim. The old scoring method made it pretty easy to do, since there wasn't much change in people's songs on a night-to-night basis.

I don't really know how to make a website that is capable of doing that. I just don't know how to do all the HTML. I'm decently adept with using some other programming languages, so I could at least be helpful for advising anyone about coding techniques for how to approach the problem.

The tour starts in just over a week, so I'd say priority number one should be getting everyone situated for a song draft. Last year, the draft took place on June 12th, and the first show was on July 8th. Then the actual tour started on August 1st. It's really the 11th hour. This thing needs to get going NOW or else there's goinig to be some chaos. Once the band plays their first show the draft is going to be impossible to run fairly.

Recommendation from the person who ran the tour last year: Jantz you need to get this thing organized NOW. You haven't posted in this forum in a few days, which is putting everyone confused.

Things that have to happen in the next 2 or 3 days:
- Moderators for each league need to be picked
- Those moderators need to pick a day for the draft (I'd recommend Thursday the 29th, so people have time to plan around it)
- PMs need to be sent out to every person in each league, telling them everything that's going on.
- Threads need to be started for each league that will clarify what's going on in that league, and updated need to be kept up.
- League Moderators need to get everyone's email addresses and AIM screennames so that they can be sure they're ready for the draft.
- Jantz needs to explain to all the League Moderators exactly what the expectations are throughout the tour.


I am available to advise and help as much as needed. As I said though, I'm going to disappear from the forums the day the tour starts, because I don't want to know about the setlists, and I'm sure there's going to be lots of discussion about what songs are being played.

[bennettr]

I retract my previous post and I will throw my name in the mix if any help needs to be done. I currently have a summer internship position and have found myself on ants a lot more than usual. let me know

[DMBnick15]

yea it seems like everything is done, all the leagues are made, sucks if u didnt get in cuz its goin to be siiiick
:lol this made me laugh for some reason

[bibby1044]

Yeah the most efficient way of having a league would be something how yahoo's fantasy leagues run, but I have no idea on how to create something like that, and it seems like were running out of time. If mods are needed or help with anything im here.

[Aubrie]

I'm here. FYI League Bartender peeps, I'm gonna need help please!

[newscane]

It's going to be really tough making an Excel spreadsheet to do this... I read up on the rules and I've been thinking about it for a little while and there are some serious issues with doing this through a spreadsheet. Since everyone can change up their lineup every night, it requires changing something for everyone every show. That's a pretty big challenge to accomodate through a spreadsheet. I think the only chance for making the scoring not all by hand is to make some sort of website where people can go in and change up their lineup themselves, and which uses some sort of program to calculate the scores. Last year, Maya's boyfriend made some kind of website that used the old scoring method pretty effectively. I don't want to ask of him to make something like that again, since it was a lot of work and it would suck to have to go back and completely revamp it. However, I'd say the chances of someone figuring out how to effectively use Excel for this are slim. The old scoring method made it pretty easy to do, since there wasn't much change in people's songs on a night-to-night basis.

I don't really know how to make a website that is capable of doing that. I just don't know how to do all the HTML. I'm decently adept with using some other programming languages, so I could at least be helpful for advising anyone about coding techniques for how to approach the problem.

The tour starts in just over a week, so I'd say priority number one should be getting everyone situated for a song draft. Last year, the draft took place on June 12th, and the first show was on July 8th. Then the actual tour started on August 1st. It's really the 11th hour. This thing needs to get going NOW or else there's goinig to be some chaos. Once the band plays their first show the draft is going to be impossible to run fairly.

Recommendation from the person who ran the tour last year: Jantz you need to get this thing organized NOW. You haven't posted in this forum in a few days, which is putting everyone confused.

Things that have to happen in the next 2 or 3 days:
- Moderators for each league need to be picked
- Those moderators need to pick a day for the draft (I'd recommend Thursday the 29th, so people have time to plan around it)
- PMs need to be sent out to every person in each league, telling them everything that's going on.
- Threads need to be started for each league that will clarify what's going on in that league, and updated need to be kept up.
- League Moderators need to get everyone's email addresses and AIM screennames so that they can be sure they're ready for the draft.
- Jantz needs to explain to all the League Moderators exactly what the expectations are throughout the tour.


I am available to advise and help as much as needed. As I said though, I'm going to disappear from the forums the day the tour starts, because I don't want to know about the setlists, and I'm sure there's going to be lots of discussion about what songs are being played.
Thursday the 29th is the season finale of LOST... good luck setting a draft for that night! :)

[LovinthoseWings]

Thursday the 29th is the season finale of LOST... good luck setting a draft for that night! :)

yea really, im not goin to be on thats for sure.

[PantalaNagaMan]

It's going to be really tough making an Excel spreadsheet to do this... I read up on the rules and I've been thinking about it for a little while and there are some serious issues with doing this through a spreadsheet. Since everyone can change up their lineup every night, it requires changing something for everyone every show. That's a pretty big challenge to accomodate through a spreadsheet. I think the only chance for making the scoring not all by hand is to make some sort of website where people can go in and change up their lineup themselves, and which uses some sort of program to calculate the scores. Last year, Maya's boyfriend made some kind of website that used the old scoring method pretty effectively. I don't want to ask of him to make something like that again, since it was a lot of work and it would suck to have to go back and completely revamp it. However, I'd say the chances of someone figuring out how to effectively use Excel for this are slim. The old scoring method made it pretty easy to do, since there wasn't much change in people's songs on a night-to-night basis.

I don't really know how to make a website that is capable of doing that. I just don't know how to do all the HTML. I'm decently adept with using some other programming languages, so I could at least be helpful for advising anyone about coding techniques for how to approach the problem.

The tour starts in just over a week, so I'd say priority number one should be getting everyone situated for a song draft. Last year, the draft took place on June 12th, and the first show was on July 8th. Then the actual tour started on August 1st. It's really the 11th hour. This thing needs to get going NOW or else there's goinig to be some chaos. Once the band plays their first show the draft is going to be impossible to run fairly.

Recommendation from the person who ran the tour last year: Jantz you need to get this thing organized NOW. You haven't posted in this forum in a few days, which is putting everyone confused.

Things that have to happen in the next 2 or 3 days:
- Moderators for each league need to be picked
- Those moderators need to pick a day for the draft (I'd recommend Thursday the 29th, so people have time to plan around it)
- PMs need to be sent out to every person in each league, telling them everything that's going on.
- Threads need to be started for each league that will clarify what's going on in that league, and updated need to be kept up.
- League Moderators need to get everyone's email addresses and AIM screennames so that they can be sure they're ready for the draft.
- Jantz needs to explain to all the League Moderators exactly what the expectations are throughout the tour.


I am available to advise and help as much as needed. As I said though, I'm going to disappear from the forums the day the tour starts, because I don't want to know about the setlists, and I'm sure there's going to be lots of discussion about what songs are being played.

I've started contacting, and am still waiting...and plan on contacting more people. I have everything I need in order and am wanting more moderators. I've done good so far, I'm sure I will finish strong.

[McBong]

I've started contacting, and am still waiting...and plan on contacting more people. I have everything I need in order and am wanting more moderators. I've done good so far, I'm sure I will finish strong.

I could mod league So Right, if you want me to. :)

EDIT: That smiley is such a brown noser...

[bbianca1982]

No More Conferences Based On Venue! ;)

[clayj41]

Thursday the 29th is the season finale of LOST... good luck setting a draft for that night! :)

Yep, I'm out. :lol

[berman1125]

yea haha, we need to draft asap. nights are best for me

[Drewda]

Urgh didn't get a PM. If there are any open spots still (or someone backs out) I'd really like a shot.

[bennettr]

I'm making a poll!!!!!!!!

[georifer]

Can I get in a League?

[RavenMaven]

1. Lost sucks, I can't believe so many people watch it.

2. We have some slackers in our league (Pig), as only 4 people have posted in the thread. If there are similar leagues, can we just combine leagues at this point? Considering how close draft time is (or needs to be), should we condense leagues where participation is lower than expected? OR maybe post a thread in DMBc reminding folks to come to this thread?

[bibby1044]

^ I was thinking people probably completely forgot about this as well.

[berman1125]

1. Lost sucks, I can't believe so many people watch it.

2. We have some slackers in our league (Pig), as only 4 people have posted in the thread. If there are similar leagues, can we just combine leagues at this point? Considering how close draft time is (or needs to be), should we condense leagues where participation is lower than expected? OR maybe post a thread in DMBc reminding folks to come to this thread?



good idea, i just made the thread

[clayj41]

1. Lost sucks, I can't believe so many people watch it.

:rolleyes

^ I was thinking people probably completely forgot about this as well.

Yeah, there's no way in hell that everyone will show up for this. :shrug

[Ascf33]

I'm here. Who is my league admin? Make our damn thread!

[symbian]

WHo is the mod for hello again?

Me?

[Ascf33]

I'm in league Bartender. Should I create the league thread?

[Aubrie]

I'm in league Bartender. Should I create the league thread?

I've been waiting for our thread to be made... so I can know what the heck is going on. This is my first time doing this...

[Ascf33]

I made it. lolz

[bibby1044]

WHo is the mod for hello again?

Me?
Im pretty sure you cant mod the league your in. But I would like to be one as well.

[AntzDigger7]

is there any way i can get into a league now or is it definitely done for the year?? i'd really like to join.. maybe if people dont show up i could take someones spot? pm me

[rball1127]

this is amazing man


i see i'm in league lover lay down

i'm defiantly in

[dmbatl07]

League SUAD, ftw.

:lol at the Machead value.

[bibby1044]

League SUAD, ftw.

:lol at the Machead value.
:lol I didnt even notice that.

[JamesM]

Great. I came in 2nd overall last year and didn't ever notice the new one started.

[dreamingtreeIU]

who is the mod for league say goodbye?

[steviegee23]

Anyway I could get in this? I know I'm late but it looks fun

[haasem99]

uh yea... I just noticed I'm in two leagues: SUAD and Shotgun. Do I get to choose which league I want? :lol

[dmband428]

This looks cool

[steviegee23]

uh yea... I just noticed I'm in two leagues: SUAD and Shotgun. Do I get to choose which league I want? :lol

If there is an error by placing him in two leagues, I'll fill the extra spot!

[martindcx1e]

im here, if i was the winner of so right last year, but im in say goodbye, does that mean im the mod?

[sk0116]

Checking in here.

[americanemu25]

if League Shotgun needs a mod or watever...i'll do it

Also, can more than one person in each league have the same song...
--> me and someone else both have Ants Marching in League Shotgun?

[berman1125]

so whats the deal

[marco j]

Where the hell is the thread for League Two Step? It's freakin' Two Step dammit!!!!

[DerekJTR2]

Is there anyway to get in still??? Have people been dropped?

PM Please

[eido11]

Is there anyway to get in still??? Have people been dropped?

PM Please
Yes. I would love to get in on the fantasy league this year.

[TGaucho]

im here, if i was the winner of so right last year, but im in say goodbye, does that mean im the mod?
yeah, there seem to be some divisional . . issues. If i had my druthers i'd be in Say Goodbye (the division i won last year), but alas i am not.


wanna switch? :D

[webbo_5]

Is there anyway to get in still??? Have people been dropped?

PM Please

Only 5 people have shown up for Sweet Up and Down so far.

[webbo_5]

yeah, there seem to be some divisional . . issues. If i had my druthers i'd be in Say Goodbye (the division i won last year), but alas i am not.


wanna switch? :D

If you won Say Goodbye shouldn't you be the Mod of that one this year?

[webbo_5]

Man, I just took a look at all the divisional threads. This shit is looking bleak. The only full league is Pig? Any others close?

[Ascf33]

Can I be the mod for league Bartender? Ours has no showed.

[berman1125]

try finding people in other leauges that need to get teamed up. i know two step and bartender have a few active members looking to team up

[webbo_5]

try finding people in other leauges that need to get teamed up. i know two step and bartender have a few active members looking to team up

League Sweet Up and Down has consolidated with League Bartender.

One spot left.

[BrahmaBull]

Is Butch now considered a guest if he shows up for a couple shows?

:D

[Isaacdinho12]

i would believe so

[berman1125]

if PNP goes into anything besides rapunzel this year, it should just not be scored. like a walk in baseball.

[Isaacdinho12]

yea that could work. since i dont think many people will want to pick it up.

[berman1125]

yea i mean the odds of it happening arnt worth drafting IMO

[Isaacdinho12]

is that the same for ASTB?

[clayj41]

is that the same for ASTB?

No, ASTB is draftable.

[berman1125]

is there going to be a cap on how many songs you can draft?

[Isaacdinho12]

umm i believe its what you can get with your 45 bucks. but then again it seems like you only have 10 slots

[berman1125]

so.......should there be a 10 song cap? or could you go all 2 dollar songs and have a massive inventory?

i think there should be a cap. but should it be 10?

[Isaacdinho12]

i say 10 and we will see how much everyone has left over after that.

[berman1125]

also we have a timelimit of 3 min. we are chattin it up in the chatroom

[clayj41]

i say 10 and we will see how much everyone has left over after that.

:thumbsup It should be capped at 10.

[bustdstuff]

i say 10 and we will see how much everyone has left over after that.

I've looked things over and don't really plan to have much left over.

[clayj41]

also we have a timelimit of 3 min. we are chattin it up in the chatroom

I'd like to implement something like that, but honestly I'll be happy if everyone shows up on time. :lol


What happens if they don't? Can we have them set their pre-rankings and have the mod auto-draft for them?

[Isaacdinho12]

I'd like to implement something like that, but honestly I'll be happy if everyone shows up on time. :lol


What happens if they don't? Can we have them set their pre-rankings and have the mod auto-draft for them?

yes. if the time is set for the majority of the league. and someone doesnt show up then we can get a mod from that league or another to pick for them. sorry its come down to this but we are short on time.

[berman1125]

I'd like to implement something like that, but honestly I'll be happy if everyone shows up on time. :lol


What happens if they don't? Can we have them set their pre-rankings and have the mod auto-draft for them?



i doubt anyone will have pre rankings, if they arnt there 10min after we start, first song they get is machead.

[bustdstuff]

Will we be drafting here, or is there some other site that we can do this?

[bustdstuff]

i doubt anyone will have pre rankings, if they arnt there 10min after we start, first song they get is machead.

So not fair. You know the first encore song of the summer would be MacHead.:lol

[clayj41]

Will we be drafting here, or is there some other site that we can do this?

My league will be doing it in our league thread. It's up to the mod really...I guess you can do AIM as well.

[bustdstuff]

My league will be doing it in our league thread. It's up to the mod really...I guess you can do AIM as well.

:thumbsup

So, I'm sure that I'm not the only one that has told you that I have to look twice when I see your avatar now.:rolleyes

[clayj41]

:thumbsup

So, I'm sure that I'm not the only one that has told you that I have to look twice when I see your avatar now.:rolleyes

I've had this one for about a month now....you're just not around enough. ;)

[berman1125]

we are doing our draft in a AIM chatroom, its easy just have clay invite everyone. its much smoother in there instead of refreshing the shit out of everythign here

[clayj41]

we are doing our draft in a AIM chatroom, its easy just have clay invite everyone. its much smoother in there instead of refreshing the shit out of everythign here

I don't have AIM....my league will draft on Ants. ;)

[bustdstuff]

I've had this one for about a month now....you're just not around enough. ;)

I noticed I just didn't say anything before hand. I remember th crap I got a few years ago when I tried to change mine from the Duke D to the Mariners logo for baseball season. Totally wasn't worth the crap at the time. But now, who's gonna tell me I can't have my own license plate?;)

[clayj41]

I noticed I just didn't say anything before hand. I remember th crap I got a few years ago when I tried to change mine from the Duke D to the Mariners logo for baseball season. Totally wasn't worth the crap at the time. But now, who's gonna tell me I can't have my own license plate?;)

Meh, my sports taste are whacky. Tar Heel, Packers, Cubs....I don't care if someone gives me shit. :lol

[Peregrine]

I posted this in the other stickied thread, but it may be more appropriate here:

here's a question: can we "guess" our song placement for extra points (ie. like the closer and opener positions)? for instance, in stead of this set-up:

Opener
Song
Song
Song
Song
Closer
Encore

we guess the placement of the four main-set songs? so it could be something like this:

Opener: OSW
#3: Granny
#8: Bartender
#10: Nancies
#15: Jimi Thing
Closer: Bayou
Encore: The Last Stop

nothing would change, except that if you did guess the placement right, you get the same amount as if you had guessed one of the other three spots (opener, closer, encore).

just a thought that could make it a little more dynamic and interesting . . .

[clayj41]

I posted this in the other stickied thread, but it may be more appropriate here:

here's a question: can we "guess" our song placement for extra points (ie. like the closer and opener positions)? for instance, in stead of this set-up:

Opener
Song
Song
Song
Song
Closer
Encore

we guess the placement of the four main-set songs? so it could be something like this:

Opener: OSW
#3: Granny
#8: Bartender
#10: Nancies
#15: Jimi Thing
Closer: Bayou
Encore: The Last Stop

nothing would change, except that if you did guess the placement right, you get the same amount as if you had guessed one of the other three spots (opener, closer, encore).

just a thought that could make it a little more dynamic and interesting . . .

I mean I guess that's not a problem. I actually like it because otherwise it makes some pretty expensive songs less valuable than others.

[berman1125]

i think we should do it personally. but i will wait for further input

[bustdstuff]

Please tell me if this was answered already, but I didn't see it answered the first time I asked. When/If new songs debut will they be randomly "assigned" or will they be awarded by who drafted "New Song" first? Also, what if they debut more than 4 new ones? Will there be more "New Song" slots opened for people to trade for?

[clayj41]

Please tell me if this was answered already, but I didn't see it answered the first time I asked. When/If new songs debut will they be randomly "assigned" or will they be awarded by who drafted "New Song" first? Also, what if they debut more than 4 new ones? Will there be more "New Song" slots opened for people to trade for?

What about new songs?

Songs like: Shotgun, Cornbread, #27, Sweet Up and Down, The Idea of You, etc..etc.. will be pre-determined values that can be bought. For new songs we will have four new songs spots available for each league that a player can buy. They will most likely be the same values as the above mentioned songs. After these four new songs are bought we will assign new songs to players who had bought “New Song” options during the draft. No other picking up of new songs is allowed.

[Peregrine]

I posted this in the other stickied thread, but it may be more appropriate here:

here's a question: can we "guess" our song placement for extra points (ie. like the closer and opener positions)? for instance, in stead of this set-up:

Opener
Song
Song
Song
Song
Closer
Encore

we guess the placement of the four main-set songs? so it could be something like this:

Opener: OSW
#3: Granny
#8: Bartender
#10: Nancies
#15: Jimi Thing
Closer: Bayou
Encore: The Last Stop

nothing would change, except that if you did guess the placement right, you get the same amount as if you had guessed one of the other three spots (opener, closer, encore).

just a thought that could make it a little more dynamic and interesting . . .
any verdict on this from the powers that be?

[bustdstuff]

What about new songs?

Songs like: Shotgun, Cornbread, #27, Sweet Up and Down, The Idea of You, etc..etc.. will be pre-determined values that can be bought. For new songs we will have four new songs spots available for each league that a player can buy. They will most likely be the same values as the above mentioned songs. After these four new songs are bought we will assign new songs to players who had bought “New Song” options during the draft. No other picking up of new songs is allowed.

Didn't see that last part. Thanks for pointing it out.


As for the picking song spots. I think that might be something that would probably be more worth discussing for next season (letting the game evolve further, and tour starts tonight). My personal opinion on that is. If I wanted to try to pick the right spots for songs to get extra points I'd just go play the Set List Game. I like the slight obscurity of it. Trying to pick spots would probably turn me of of the game.

[raid24]

i like the pickin spots idea..... and a question that i havent seen answered about the new songs is - what if there are only 2 or 3 - do they go to the first 2 or 3 teams that picked " new song " or do they go to everyone who picked new song>?

[berman1125]

Didn't see that last part. Thanks for pointing it out.


As for the picking song spots. I think that might be something that would probably be more worth discussing for next season (letting the game evolve further, and tour starts tonight). My personal opinion on that is. If I wanted to try to pick the right spots for songs to get extra points I'd just go play the Set List Game. I like the slight obscurity of it. Trying to pick spots would probably turn me of of the game.



we shouldnt do it

[bustdstuff]

They will each be assigned to an individual.

[bustdstuff]

we shouldnt do it

:thumbsup :thumbsup


P.S. I'm totally blazed this morning. Last bowl, and I'm so broke.

[berman1125]

:thumbsup :thumbsup


P.S. I'm totally blazed this morning. Last bowl, and I'm so broke.



p.p.s. about to get totally blazed.......NOW

now you are all out....scrape that resin baby:bounce i love that bowl of yours with the flat mouthpiece, really cool

[raid24]

:thumbsup :thumbsup


P.S. I'm totally blazed this morning. Last bowl, and I'm so broke.




i love the wake n bake - the morning is the best time of day anyway but especially after a good smoke..... the last of it always seems to produce a great high too cuz i savor it a little more, hold hits in longer and smile when exhaling :D

[bustdstuff]

p.p.s. about to get totally blazed.......NOW

now you are all out....scrape that resin baby:bounce i love that bowl of yours with the flat mouthpiece, really cool

Don't forget the kief catcher. :D :monkey

Edit: I wake and bake everyday. Well not tomorrow. :( I'm totally putting a touch of kief on the next hit.

[Ascf33]

What about new songs?

Songs like: Shotgun, Cornbread, #27, Sweet Up and Down, The Idea of You, etc..etc.. will be pre-determined values that can be bought. For new songs we will have four new songs spots available for each league that a player can buy. They will most likely be the same values as the above mentioned songs. After these four new songs are bought we will assign new songs to players who had bought “New Song” options during the draft. No other picking up of new songs is allowed.

This is the best rule we could have made.

[berman1125]

Don't forget the kief catcher. :D :monkey

Edit: I wake and bake everyday. Well not tomorrow. :( I'm totally putting a touch of kief on the next hit.


:thumbsup:thumbsup wake and bake everyday. its the perfect way to start a day. im sorry for your loss of buds for the next few days:shrug

[clayj41]

Alright guys, what do we do with Thank You? Obviously it's a cover song but does that mean that every time a cover that wasn't listed on the original draft roster is played, the person who drafted "Cover Song" gets points?

[berman1125]

i was gonna ask the same thing. what should we do with thank you

[clayj41]

i was gonna ask the same thing. what should we do with thank you

I'm going to score it as a "Cover Song", but if another cover is played this tour (Money perhaps), we're gonna have to talk.

[Peregrine]

I'm pretty sure "Cover Song" is in their "repertoire" so the setlist guy can put up something when he recognizes a song but doesn't know the name (ie. the first time a cover song is played). I've seen it happen before

PS - did Dave dedicate the song to Butch or anything? I kind of doubt it will be showing up again

[clayj41]

Alright, here is what I’m going to do in my league about three cover songs being played tonight. I am not going to give the person who has “Cover Song” points for each one getting played. Instead, I am going to give them credit for one being played and then give them first dibs on adding ONE of them from waivers, while at the same time allowing them to keep “Cover Song”. After they have selected which one they want (and no, they can’t pick up Money and have it count for both the Floyd and Beatles cover), I will allow the others in my league to add no more than one of them (Thank You included). They will not be able to do so however until midnight of June 2nd . That gives everyone a head’s up. I feel this is fair.

[Tomato42]

Alright, here is what I’m going to do in my league about three cover songs being played tonight. I am not going to give the person who has “Cover Song” points for each one getting played. Instead, I am going to give them credit for one being played and then give them first dibs on adding ONE of them from waivers, while at the same time allowing them to keep “Cover Song”. After they have selected which one they want (and no, they can’t pick up Money and have it count for both the Floyd and Beatles cover), I will allow the others in my league to add no more than one of them (Thank You included). They will not be able to do so however until midnight of June 2nd . That gives everyone a head’s up. I feel this is fair.

i feel that is bullshit. i looked over the rules and asked around before drafting 'cover song' and nothing was ever said like this. if you wanted this to be the case, should have said so before the tour started, not after your getting merked by the guy in your league with cover song.

[Tomato42]

the reason i took cover song with all the usual cover having their own song is b/c with tim on tour i knew they would play mad covers and i would kill

[bibby1044]

yeah this has to be taken up with Jantz before you can go making your own rules.

[BlueWater13]

I think the "Cover Song" should only count once per show, when instances of last night occur where there are multiple covers played. But i think "Cover Song" should still count for these new covers until they begin to show regularity in the setlits.
That's just my idea on it, coming from someone who drafted "Cover Song". This should definitely be an interesting topic to handle this year.

[Peregrine]

the reason i took cover song with all the usual cover having their own song is b/c with tim on tour i knew they would play mad covers and i would kill
that's more absurd than Clay's idea. No way in hell is anybody going to be okay with a song choice counting for more than one song.

[bibby1044]

Cover song cant be counted for everyone played a night. If that was the case we wouldnt have 4 new songs, we would just have one and the person would get credit for all of them. The best route is giving them credit for one of them, and if they start to stick around for more than a few shows, it becomes its seperate song.

[berman1125]

so should i be giving credit for 1 cover song only?

[bustdstuff]

1new song = 1 new song right?

[berman1125]

are these new songs, or covers? and if they are covers how many pts do the people that started covers get

[McBong]

Thats what i was thinking. It cant be any other way than just not counting the song at all. Waivers would just make it way too unfair really no matter what you do. :shrug

I was thinking of maybe suggesting that we do the songs in order:
Example:
Thank You goes to Cover Song
Melissa to New Song #1
Money (pink floyd) to New Song #2
Money (Thats what I want) New Song #3
and then whatever other song pops up.
Anything after that will not be scored.

[BlueWater13]

Thats what i was thinking. It cant be any other way than just not counting the song at all. Waivers would just make it way too unfair really no matter what you do. :shrug

I was thinking of maybe suggesting that we do the songs in order:
Example:
Thank You goes to Cover Song
Melissa to New Song #1
Money (pink floyd) to New Song #2
Money (Thats what I want) New Song #3
and then whatever other song pops up.
Anything after that will not be scored.


Major problem with this though, is that these cover songs are different than new songs. So that kind of screws those people that drafted New Song # with the idea that it would be a new DMB song they would get. And as a person with "cover song" i really dont want Thank You in place of it. I think we need to wait to see if these covers are even played more than once

[berman1125]

Major problem with this though, is that these cover songs are different than new songs. So that kind of screws those people that drafted New Song # with the idea that it would be a new DMB song they would get. And as a person with "cover song" i really dont want Thank You in place of it. I think we need to wait to see if these covers are even played more than once



exactly but what should the scoring be in the mean time?

[BlueWater13]

I think a fair way to do it is to keep counting these as points for whoever has the "Cover Song" in each league. But if multiple covers are played during each show, than you should only give points out for one cover being played. Then if there are other covers played then they are not given points for those. That way the person with "cover song" does not go crazy with points.

My major concern is that if this is a very heavy cover tour, and we start to distribute these songs out to people. It will start to hurt the person with "cover song" in each league. Just have to find a fair way so nobody is hurt on both sides.

Hope some of that made sense, it did in my head...lol

[McBong]

Major problem with this though, is that these cover songs are different than new songs. So that kind of screws those people that drafted New Song # with the idea that it would be a new DMB song they would get. And as a person with "cover song" i really dont want Thank You in place of it. I think we need to wait to see if these covers are even played more than once

I agree to certain extent, but how will we determine "cover song"? We cant score it anytime they play TY, Money(either one) or Melissa. We need to find a song to put in its place. As far as new songs go, they are new song, im not nitpicking at the rules (well i guess i am :rolleyes), but the setlist game counts them as new songs, so does the rest of the setlist games. I think we need to wait until after Camden and make a decision.*sigh, I have been on Ants so much lately even I bitch... and im high... :eek) And wheres Jantz in all this? :lol

[berman1125]

alright, so i guess i will be giving tomato just 2 pts....hes gonna be pissed haha

[berman1125]

I agree to certain extent, but how will we determine "cover song"? We cant score it anytime they play TY, Money(either one) or Melissa. We need to find a song to put in its place. As far as new songs go, they are new song, im not nitpicking at the rules (well i guess i am :rolleyes), but the setlist game counts them as new songs, so does the rest of the setlist games. I think we need to wait until after Camden and make a decision.*sigh, I have been on Ants so much lately even I bitch... and im high... :eek) And wheres Jantz in all this? :lol



jantz is mia...

[McBong]

I think a fair way to do it is to keep counting these as points for whoever has the "Cover Song" in each league. But if multiple covers are played during each show, than you should only give points out for one cover being played. Then if there are other covers played then they are not given points for those. That way the person with "cover song" does not go crazy with points.

My major concern is that if this is a very heavy cover tour, and we start to distribute these songs out to people. It will start to hurt the person with "cover song" in each league. Just have to find a fair way so nobody is hurt on both sides.

Hope some of that made sense, it did in my head...lol

See I would be fine with this but if this tour continues as is, Thats almost a guaranteed 6 points every show, 10 if a guest comes out... That is way too unfair. But I say we wait for a bit and see what happens. If 2 of these covers are just one time things, i would be fine with it. But do you see my point? :)

[McBong]

alright, so i guess i will be giving tomato just 2 pts....hes gonna be pissed haha

tell him to smoke bowl. :thumbsup

[BlueWater13]

I definitely see your point. I think that those people with "cover song" should only get credit once per show. that way they dont go nuts with points, that would be completely unfair to everyone else

[BlueWater13]

it sucks to only get 2 points for all the covers. but i'm in the same boat, and i think it would be unfair for me to capitalize that much on all the covers.

I agree, I've been on ants so much lately i feel like i am getting close to bitching about stuff. Trying not to though..lol.

We definitely need Jantz in here to decide a final ruling, that way all the leagues are doing this the same way. I definitely think we should wait a couple shows to see how this all unfolds. For all we know, they may not play those covers again, and just constantly bust out new covers through out the tour.

[BlueWater13]

I need to take a break from ants for a bit and get some fresh air. Hopefully some more ideas or a resolution will be up when i get back

[berman1125]

I need to take a break from ants for a bit and get some fresh air. Hopefully some more ideas or a resolution will be up when i get back




bowl time!!

[Tomato42]

tell him to smoke bowl. :thumbsup

probation's a bitch. ever since i had to stop smoking aka going out cause all my friends are constantly getting fucked up, thats when i started living on this board.

[Tomato42]

rules are rules for a reason. not so u can change them when shit doesnt go ur way. its like if u picked up some shitty guy in fan hockey who all of a sudden started playin at center and on the wing and got really good. you would get points for both positions and a lot more than anyone thought you were gona. so what you change the rules? no, you try to close ur buttcheaks and take whats commin to ya.

going into the draft, most covers that they play had their own choice and seeing as how not this many new covers are usually played, 'cover song' didnt seem that attractive to most. however, it was the steal of the draft and changing the rules to counteract that is bullshit. i dont play that shit. thats why i quit.

[bradshaw06]

i feel that is bullshit. i looked over the rules and asked around before drafting 'cover song' and nothing was ever said like this. if you wanted this to be the case, should have said so before the tour started, not after your getting merked by the guy in your league with cover song.

the reason i took cover song with all the usual cover having their own song is b/c with tim on tour i knew they would play mad covers and i would kill

actually these were the rules last year as well. cover song only counts once.

[bradshaw06]

jantz already made a ruling on Cover songs last year

http://antsmarching.org/forum/showpost.php?p=6152200&postcount=38

and john(the guy who basically ran this last year)

http://antsmarching.org/forum/showpost.php?p=6152253&postcount=39

[Isaacdinho12]

according to jantz the only way to score more than the cover song points would be to have a guest on it

[bradshaw06]

rules are rules for a reason. not so u can change them when shit doesnt go ur way. its like if u picked up some shitty guy in fan hockey who all of a sudden started playin at center and on the wing and got really good. you would get points for both positions and a lot more than anyone thought you were gona. so what you change the rules? no, you try to close ur buttcheaks and take whats commin to ya.

going into the draft, most covers that they play had their own choice and seeing as how not this many new covers are usually played, 'cover song' didnt seem that attractive to most. however, it was the steal of the draft and changing the rules to counteract that is bullshit. i dont play that shit. thats why i quit.

but you see friend, the rules have not been changed. covers have always only counted once

[Tomato42]

so the rule was to start assigning cover songs to people after they start playing a lot of them? really? post a link to that ruling.

[bradshaw06]

so the rule was to start assigning cover songs to people after they start playing a lot of them? really? post a link to that ruling.

sorry dude, misread on of your posts. you are right that isnt a rule, but it has always been a rule that cover counts once. and i do agree assigning covers to people is bs.

[Tomato42]

sorry dude, misread on of your posts. you are right that isnt a rule, but it has always been a rule that cover counts once. and i do agree assigning covers to people is bs.

okay so were on the same page. i have no problem with it only counting once per show.

[bradshaw06]

okay so were on the same page. i have no problem with it only counting once per show.

agreed, handing out songs like money and other covers would end up hurting the person who actually has cover song. also, as mod of my league, i will not be doing this and encourge the other mods to do the same

[Tomato42]

agreed, handing out songs like money and other covers would end up hurting the person who actually has cover song. also, as mod of my league, i will not be doing this and encourge the other mods to do the same

good shit. if some mods do do it wont that fuck everything up?

u goin to camden? where u sittin?

[bradshaw06]

good shit. if some mods do do it wont that fuck everything up?

u goin to camden? where u sittin?

i dont think itll mess up anything, im pretty sure come playoff time it all goes back to even.

camden both nights sitting in 204. you?

[Tomato42]

im downstares, i got an extra pair for 2nd night down there if u want to sell urs and take um

[bennettr]

I believe that the rules for points are as follows


If your song gets played you will get at least the first number

If your song gets a special spot you will get the second number as opposed to the first number

If your song has a guest you the third number will be added to what you previously had

SO the max for a singular song would be the addition of the second number and the third number

[bennettr]

I am in the process of making a bad ass excel sheet it will make scoring really easy

[BlueWater13]

I am in the process of making a bad ass excel sheet it will make scoring really easy

I can't wait to see that!

Is there any point during the tour that we look to see how leaders of leagues are doing compared to leaders in other leagues?

[bibby1044]

So where do we pick up and drop songs.

Ill post it here I guess? League Last Stop
pick up: space between
drop: Christmas song

[BlueWater13]

So where do we pick up and drop songs.

Ill post it here I guess? League Last Stop
pick up: space between
drop: Christmas song


I would say just within your league, that way the mod can keep track

[Tomato42]

I believe that the rules for points are as follows


If your song gets played you will get at least the first number

If your song gets a special spot you will get the second number as opposed to the first number

If your song has a guest you the third number will be added to what you previously had

SO the max for a singular song would be the addition of the second number and the third number

my leauge isnt doing this, they are doing 2/3/3 played in spot 2+3=5 for the song. also some leauges are letting people keep their cover song and some are making people pick one. i think all leauges need to be on the same page.

[clayj41]

my leauge isnt doing this, they are doing 2/3/3 played in spot 2+3=5 for the song. also some leauges are letting people keep their cover song and some are making people pick one. i think all leauges need to be on the same page.

My league never did that. While I initially suggested it, we just let the person keep their cover song.

[Tomato42]

My league never did that. While I initially suggested it, we just let the person keep their cover song.
what about the scoring

[bibby1044]

So can someone pick up Water Wine Jam? and if so how much is it worth?

[chr35919]

was this a success this year?

[Senator12]

Much less organized compared to last year. But that's just my opinion...

[BlueWater13]

It seemed like it was hit or miss. There were people that were all for it, and then for some reason or another just disappeared.

Maybe if it is condensed a bit next year. Seemed like it tried to be rather big this year, and that leaves more opportunity for less organization.

I do think the scoring system and all of that was a really good idea this year.

[haasem99]

It wasn't has organized has some would have wanted it to be. I know the league I was in, it was smoothly and the playoffs went fine. Heck, I'm not complaining since I won :lol. I could be wrong but I think 2 leagues fell apart but the others were fine.

The only thing I would like to change is drafting. That was not organized and we had to do it last minute. Thankfully it worked out for our league, but maybe next year we start the organization process a little earlier.

And I'll mention it now, I'll participate again and even be a mod.

[BlueWater13]

It wasn't has organized has some would have wanted it to be. I know the league I was in, it was smoothly and the playoffs went fine. Heck, I'm not complaining since I won :lol. I could be wrong but I think 2 leagues fell apart but the others were fine.

The only thing I would like to change is drafting. That was not organized and we had to do it last minute. Thankfully it worked out for our league, but maybe next year we start the organization process a little earlier.

And I'll mention it now, I'll participate again and even be a mod.

I definitely agree. 2 leagues did completely fall apart, and therefore did not get anyone into the playoffs. There was definitely alot of confusion at the beginning with drafting. I think problem was, whoever had set it all up was not around as often and everyone was left wondering. Having to do the drafting basically a day before the tour started could have been prevented. It also i feel made it very difficult to try and do any trading since the concerts started immediately.
Playoffs i feel went fantastic. Maybe it had something to do with me helping :D jk. I am definitely volunteering to step up next year and do more.

[haasem99]

Maybe it had something to do with me helping :D jk.

And you did a fine job!