"F" the police!

[dmb&phish'94]

:twak All right, VA Beach PD. Up and down each parking aisle, and over a dozen tickets I saw personally handed out. Guess what, people DRINK at tailgating parties. No grills either!!! C'mon. Great show!!!!!!!!!! Don't get me wrong. I've been to four this year and this one and Raleigh were outstanding, but I have never encountered such a police presence. Isn't the murder rate in VA Beach pretty bad, and they're worried about f***ing tailgaters. Shame on them! Between Manassas' shitty sound system and the dumb cops in VA Beach, oh and don't forget the crazy naked guy at JPJ, Dave should just avoid VA all together and double his shows in surrounding states. And I LIVE in VA!!! Sorry, VA Ants, something has to be done! PS.......FREAKING HALLOWEEN BABY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[OneSweetPhish]

cops sure do kill it sometimes.

They are just too scared to go out on the street and do their jobs.

[Barefoot Ant]

Man, that sucks! Sorry to hear that.

They are just pissed that they can't stand there and drink it up and have a great time. Jealousy is a bitch!

Come to Deer Creek next summer, and we will party with you without being handed tickets!

[Mateo2k]

They are just too scared to go out on the street and do their jobs.

That's the dumbest thing I've read on the internet.

[Mateo2k]

:twak All right, VA Beach PD. Up and down each parking aisle, and over a dozen tickets I saw personally handed out. Guess what, people DRINK at tailgating parties. No grills either!!! C'mon. Great show!!!!!!!!!! Don't get me wrong. I've been to four this year and this one and Raleigh were outstanding, but I have never encountered such a police presence. Isn't the murder rate in VA Beach pretty bad, and they're worried about f***ing tailgaters. Shame on them! Between Manassas' shitty sound system and the dumb cops in VA Beach, oh and don't forget the crazy naked guy at JPJ, Dave should just avoid VA all together and double his shows in surrounding states. And I LIVE in VA!!! Sorry, VA Ants, something has to be done! PS.......FREAKING HALLOWEEN BABY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

They're doing their job, and appearantly they were doing it well.

You know the rules and you know the laws.

If you choose to break them, and someone tickets you for it, that's your own fault.

[OneSweetPhish]

That's the dumbest thing I've read on the internet.


Well my friend you must be new!

[OneSweetPhish]

They're doing their job, and appearantly they were doing it well.

You know the rules and you know the laws.

If you choose to break them, and someone tickets you for it, that's your own fault.

Now that is the dumbest thing i've read

[Barefoot Ant]

Now that is the dumbest thing i've read

:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol

Nice!

Have you ever been to a show Mr. Don't Break The Law?

[Barefoot Ant]

They're doing their job, and appearantly they were doing it well.

You know the rules and you know the laws.

If you choose to break them, and someone tickets you for it, that's your own fault.

You must be a cop

If your not, then you sure are sticking up hardcore for them. Why?

[cfgmailcheck]

thats weird b/c i had no problems with the cops last night...we were parked in premier and saw 1 cop in over 2 hours...and we were drinking pretty heavy (along with "other" things)...that sucks though for those who werent so lucky

[Ev42]

Well my friend you must be new!

:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol

[Ev42]

They're doing their job, and appearantly they were doing it well.

You know the rules and you know the laws.

If you choose to break them, and someone tickets you for it, that's your own fault.

settle down johnny law

[OneSweetPhish]

I am not against ALL cops...but some can really be dicks just for their own pleasure and thats what pisses me off. They are not protecting anyone.

[Barefoot Ant]

thats weird b/c i had no problems with the cops last night...we were parked in premier and saw 1 cop in over 2 hours...and we were drinking pretty heavy (along with "other" things)...that sucks though for those who werent so lucky

I'm sure there is some venue protection for people who are in premiere parking. Cops leave them alone.

[Kevaroo]

:twak All right, VA Beach PD. Up and down each parking aisle, and over a dozen tickets I saw personally handed out. Guess what, people DRINK at tailgating parties. No grills either!!! C'mon. Great show!!!!!!!!!! Don't get me wrong. I've been to four this year and this one and Raleigh were outstanding, but I have never encountered such a police presence. Isn't the murder rate in VA Beach pretty bad, and they're worried about f***ing tailgaters. Shame on them! Between Manassas' shitty sound system and the dumb cops in VA Beach, oh and don't forget the crazy naked guy at JPJ, Dave should just avoid VA all together and double his shows in surrounding states. And I LIVE in VA!!! Sorry, VA Ants, something has to be done! PS.......FREAKING HALLOWEEN BABY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


He wasn't naked stupid.

[Barefoot Ant]

I love your sig Kevaroo! I second that!

[KDuffy]

They're doing their job, and appearantly they were doing it well.

You know the rules and you know the laws.

If you choose to break them, and someone tickets you for it, that's your own fault.

wow relax man people just wanna have a good time without getting harassed by cops for doing nothing harmful.
no need for them to ruin something so great as a dmb show :D

[Kevaroo]

I love your sig Kevaroo! I second that!

I take pride in it very much. Thanks!

[bb08barrett]

Didn't dave write a song about cops? I think its called Pig. I can't stand pigs

[Jeff31b]

Didn't dave write a song about cops? I think its called Pig. I can't stand pigs


just sooo funny. :thumbsup:thumbsup

Get over it. Like the other post said. The law is the law. It's not that we get off on writing you tickets. I've been underage the past 3 years at the Virginia shows and haven't been bothered once. If you were being a jackass in the lots then take your tickets and move on. Sorry for bitching about the bitching. But this is the third thread I've seen on this board about police officers. Getting old. Have fun at a show but be somewhat mature about it.

[kmiller12]

when i was a va beach i had an empty beer can in the bed of my truck, it was old and the cop came up and said there was no drinking, i told him i wasnt drinking and then he asked me about the beer can, i told him it was old and i had to grab it and let him touch it to prove that it was hot and not from that night.

[DmBand801]

they're very strict at VA beach. You can't get away with anything there.

[dre2142]

They are just too scared to go out on the street and do their jobs.

Ignorant post

[Lee3691]

just sooo funny. :thumbsup:thumbsup

Get over it. Like the other post said. The law is the law. It's not that we get off on writing you tickets. I've been underage the past 3 years at the Virginia shows and haven't been bothered once. If you were being a jackass in the lots then take your tickets and move on. Sorry for bitching about the bitching. But this is the third thread I've seen on this board about police officers. Getting old. Have fun at a show but be somewhat mature about it.

The law is not the law. The police make decisions on what laws they want to emphasize, and which ones they don't. There are some venues (Shoreline being one), that even the sight of alcohol will cause law enforcement to harass, so it is not always when someone is acting like a jackass. The irony is that law enforcement is making substantial money (time and a half) to be at these shows, and at some venues, don't treat the attendees with any respect.

[dre2142]

The law is not the law. The police make decisions on what laws they want to emphasize, and which ones they don't. There are some venues (Shoreline being one), that even the sight of alcohol will cause law enforcement to harass, so it is not always when someone is acting like a jackass. The irony is that law enforcement is making substantial money (time and a half) to be at these shows, and at some venues, don't treat the attendees with any respect.

And its not the officers faults......theyre either told to be super strict, or theyre told to target certain crimes.

[Lee3691]

And its not the officers faults......theyre either told to be super strict, or theyre told to target certain crimes.

Besides the fact that each individual officer has the ability to use their own judgement, and besides the fact that part of the problem is how each of these individual officers speak to citizens in a disrespectful way (in many cases), that is irrelevent. The topic of the thread was critical of police for their actions, and it doesn't matter if these decisions were made by individual officers or management, it is still the police.

[Mateo2k]

Again, if you don't do anything wrong, there is no problem.

[Lee3691]

Again, if you don't do anything wrong, there is no problem.

Without getting into the larger issue of law enforcement not giving you problems if you didn't do anything wrong (unless you want to, since it is pathetic claim), in regards to tailgating - drinking a few beers before a Dave Matthews Band concert is not doing anything wrong.

[dre2142]

Without getting into the larger issue of law enforcement not giving you problems if you didn't do anything wrong (unless you want to, since it is pathetic claim), in regards to tailgating - drinking a few beers before a Dave Matthews Band concert is not doing anything wrong.

Says who?

Many venues/states have laws in place that make tailgating in those lots 100% illegal.

Nissan Pavilion in Bristow VA has VA law that prohibits tailgating. Does that make it the police officers faults? No. Maybe you should be directing your anger at the venue officials or the state legislature.

Though at Nissan, it depends on the show on whether or not that will be enforced strictly or not.

[jeremyc74]

I grew up in VA, and I go back there to see my family several times a year, and it never ceases to amaze me how absurd the police and lawmakers are there. I'll never move back because of it. VA treats drinking as if it's a high crime.

The sad fact of the matter is they would rather run over someone's constitutional rights against unlawful search and seizure in search of a beer than arrest dangerous criminals, because it's more profitable.


I hate to say it, but the only way to retaliate is to write the band, and then just skip that show. I went to a WSP show outside of Austin TX last summer where the police where hassling everyone over some very mild tailgating, and I'll never go back.

There's just no call for giving people a hard time who aren't hurting anyone.

[Barefoot Ant]

Says who?

Many venues/states have laws in place that make tailgating in those lots 100% illegal.

Nissan Pavilion in Bristow VA has VA law that prohibits tailgating. Does that make it the police officers faults? No. Maybe you should be directing your anger at the venue officials or the state legislature.

Though at Nissan, it depends on the show on whether or not that will be enforced strictly or not.

So, if it depends on the show, is a DMB show one of those that gets picked on? And why if it is? Seems like even the law isn't following their own laws, right? It is either illegal or it isn't. You can't pick on one group of people and not others.

[dre2142]

So, if it depends on the show, is a DMB show one of those that gets picked on? And why if it is? Seems like even the law isn't following their own laws, right? It is either illegal or it isn't. You can't pick on one group of people and not others.


Ive been to 5 shows this summer at the Nissan Pavilion, and each one has had different levels of police presence and police enforcement.

Same goes for Hershey. And in both cases, it was pretty lax at the DMB shows.

[Lee3691]

Says who?

Many venues/states have laws in place that make tailgating in those lots 100% illegal.

Nissan Pavilion in Bristow VA has VA law that prohibits tailgating. Does that make it the police officers faults? No. Maybe you should be directing your anger at the venue officials or the state legislature.

Though at Nissan, it depends on the show on whether or not that will be enforced strictly or not.

The only thing your right is that the legislature is just as much to blame as law enforcement. But, for someone who has posted on another thread that a law is a law, and that it is not law enforcement's fault, and that we should direct our anger at the legislature (as if law enforcement doesn't have a huge influence on what laws are passed), the part in bold shows how even you don't believe what you have posted.

[dre2142]

The only thing your right is that the legislature is just as much to blame as law enforcement. But, for someone who has posted on another thread that a law is a law, and that it is not law enforcement's fault, and that we should direct our anger at the legislature (as if law enforcement doesn't have a huge influence on what laws are passed), the part in bold shows how even you don't believe what you have posted.

Right. The law is the law. Ive also said that discretion should be used on what is enforced strictly and what is not.

[Lee3691]

Right. The law is the law. Ive also said that discretion should be used on what is enforced strictly and what is not.

So, it is the police that have this discretion is what is enforced strictly, and what is not, I am assuming you have no problem with the person who started this thread saying "F" the Police, as they weren't too happy with the "enforcement" at their show.

[OneSweetPhish]

Ignorant post


Try again... I have 4 cops in my family. Nice try tho

[dre2142]

Try again... I have 4 cops in my family. Nice try tho

And? Are you saying that your police officer relatives are scared to go out on the streets? Please.

[OneSweetPhish]

And? Are you saying that your police officer relatives are scared to go out on the streets? Please.


When they have another choice? Yes they are human ya know.

[dre2142]

When they have another choice? Yes they are human ya know.


Oh please. Then they shouldnt have pursued a career as a LEO:lol:lol:lol And its a shame that they are in that position. I wouldnt want them out there protecting the public, nor would I want them as my partner out there protecting my ass either.

[jiggajm18]

They're doing their job, and appearantly they were doing it well.

You know the rules and you know the laws.

If you choose to break them, and someone tickets you for it, that's your own fault.

:thumbsup

do i think it's a waste of time for cops to be busting tailgates? yes.

do i think you don't have to follow the law even if it's just tailgate laws? no.

[OneSweetPhish]

Oh please. Then they shouldnt have pursued a career as a LEO:lol:lol:lol And its a shame that they are in that position. I wouldnt want them out there protecting the public, nor would I want them as my partner out there protecting my ass either.


You are not too bright are you? If you think for even a second that every cop isn't scared in some way or another about what they do everyday you really don't know what you are talking about.

[dre2142]

You are not too bright are you? If you think for even a second that every cop isn't scared in some way or another about what they do everyday you really don't know what you are talking about.


I was a cop in downtown Baltimore City. Dont sit there and tell me what I know and do not know about law enforcement. I believe that I have a better idea than you. I seriously doubt the police officers in Virginia beach are scared to be out on the streets, and they are citing people for public drinking because they are scared of being on patrol.

Yes, police officers are human, but the minute you let yourself be "scared of the criminals", youre putting your life and others in danger and you should re-think your career choice. I think youre the one that doesnt know what they are talking about.

[DMBstandUP1984]

anyone else see all the cops over by the sonic and i guess keegens pub? (not sure of the street, not from VA just visit for the show) after the show..i guess a Undercover cop was shot and killed by a drug dealer..first time in five years..shit was crazy cops where everywhere i thought it was a DUI checkpoint at first so i was shittin myself...but yea some crazy shit

[ExistenceNow]

I grew up in VA, and I go back there to see my family several times a year, and it never ceases to amaze me how absurd the police and lawmakers are there. I'll never move back because of it. VA treats drinking as if it's a high crime.

The sad fact of the matter is they would rather run over someone's constitutional rights against unlawful search and seizure in search of a beer than arrest dangerous criminals, because it's more profitable.


I hate to say it, but the only way to retaliate is to write the band, and then just skip that show. I went to a WSP show outside of Austin TX last summer where the police where hassling everyone over some very mild tailgating, and I'll never go back.

There's just no call for giving people a hard time who aren't hurting anyone.

That show was at The Backyard. A few months before that show, a drunk driver killed an assistant district attorney right by the venue after a show. They've cracked down heavy on drinking before the show because of that.

That being said, how fucking hard is it to pour your beer in a cup? If you have your beer in a cup and you're not acting like a jackass, no one is going to hassle you. By all means though, don't ever come back to Austin or The Backyard. You will not be missed.

[justink]

I grew up in VA, and I go back there to see my family several times a year, and it never ceases to amaze me how absurd the police and lawmakers are there. I'll never move back because of it. VA treats drinking as if it's a high crime.

The sad fact of the matter is they would rather run over someone's constitutional rights against unlawful search and seizure in search of a beer than arrest dangerous criminals, because it's more profitable.


I hate to say it, but the only way to retaliate is to write the band, and then just skip that show. I went to a WSP show outside of Austin TX last summer where the police where hassling everyone over some very mild tailgating, and I'll never go back.

There's just no call for giving people a hard time who aren't hurting anyone.

That show was at The Backyard. A few months before that show, a drunk driver killed an assistant district attorney right by the venue after a show. They've cracked down heavy on drinking before the show because of that.

That being said, how fucking hard is it to pour your beer in a cup? If you have your beer in a cup and you're not acting like a jackass, no one is going to hassle you. By all means though, don't ever come back to Austin or The Backyard. You will not be missed.

you're right jeremy, because your right to get stupid wasted in a parking lot clearly supersedes the rights of all 20,000 other fans there who are also trying to have a good time. god forbid the police do their job and keep everybody civil and safe and prevent some out of town ass hat who thinks the world is his oyster from harassing people, being loud and obnoxious and possibly killing someone in the process... the nerve of those cops. fuck!

by the way, i saw your youtube video about your super cool new haircut. it was rad! :thumbsup









douche

[justink]

all i can say is, everyone should do 6 months in an actual academy, 6 more as a proby on the street w/ a trainer and one year on your own...

i guarantee you after those 2 years you'll never look at a police officer the same and your entire outlook on law and society as a whole will have changed.

or in the very least, strike up small talk w/ the next one you see at the gas station and ask him how his day is... you might actually learn something.

[Barefoot Ant]

On my way to DC from Cincinnati, I got pulled over by a cop in a Mustang.

He ticketed me for riding his ass. He ignored the fact that I was doing 80 in a 70. He was cool about it, not an asshole, and since it was my first ticket ever I didn't get too worked up about it.

So after we pulled away, my friend looks at me and says she'd be crying right now if she had gotten a ticket.
I looked at her and said "It don't matter, I'm gonna be drunk in two hours!"
Lots of laughter after that crazy comment!

[justink]

So, if it depends on the show, is a DMB show one of those that gets picked on? And why if it is? Seems like even the law isn't following their own laws, right? It is either illegal or it isn't. You can't pick on one group of people and not others.

reputation is everything and those Hartford idiots ruined that for us

[berman1125]

i say it on a daily basis

[Lee3691]

all i can say is, everyone should do 6 months in an actual academy, 6 more as a proby on the street w/ a trainer and one year on your own...

i guarantee you after those 2 years you'll never look at a police officer the same and your entire outlook on law and society as a whole will have changed.

or in the very least, strike up small talk w/ the next one you see at the gas station and ask him how his day is... you might actually learn something.

I don't care what happens in a law enforcement's duty - it never gives them the right to abuse their power or violate the law. And, if the job or stress of the job is too much, choose another career.

Oh, come visit the law enforcement thread in Political Science, you might actually learn something

[rconverse]

:twak All right, VA Beach PD. Up and down each parking aisle, and over a dozen tickets I saw personally handed out. Guess what, people DRINK at tailgating parties. No grills either!!! C'mon. Great show!!!!!!!!!! Don't get me wrong. I've been to four this year and this one and Raleigh were outstanding, but I have never encountered such a police presence. Isn't the murder rate in VA Beach pretty bad, and they're worried about f***ing tailgaters. Shame on them! Between Manassas' shitty sound system and the dumb cops in VA Beach, oh and don't forget the crazy naked guy at JPJ, Dave should just avoid VA all together and double his shows in surrounding states. And I LIVE in VA!!! Sorry, VA Ants, something has to be done! PS.......FREAKING HALLOWEEN BABY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Seriously, why go?

[phunky420]

They're doing their job, and appearantly they were doing it well.

You know the rules and you know the laws.

If you choose to break them, and someone tickets you for it, that's your own fault.

Thanks Dad.

[TurboPGT]

Now that is the dumbest thing i've read

:thumbsup He sounds like the type that would volunteer for a taser test.

[cpxc.]

they're very strict at VA beach. You can't get away with anything there.


I went to Va Beach for the first time this year. We had a stereo playing. Two cases of beer, people next to us had liquor and we tailgated just like anywhere else. I did not see one cop and nobody bothered us.

[justink]

Oh, come visit the law enforcement thread in Political Science, you might actually learn something

i'm not trying to come off like a pompous ass, like most of this thread is.

and i'm done trying to bring people into the light, one thing i've learned in my time is that you will never change ignorant people. you can only hope they will grow up and do it themselves.

-j

[dre2142]

i'm not trying to come off like a pompous ass, like most of this thread is.

and i'm done trying to bring people into the light, one thing i've learned in my time is that you will never change ignorant people. you can only hope they will grow up and do it themselves.

-j

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