We're all going to die!!11

[dmbphan041]

The dow is down 100 million points, the TSX is down 200 million points, people are loosing their asses left and right, gas is still real real high, Sarah Palin is dumber than a post, and I don't think Obama can fix something this fucked up.

etc etc etc


what in the fuck, how did it get THIS bad?? Not looking for anyone to blame (ok maybe I am) but srsly, what in the hell?

[dre2142]

Everything is cyclical

[Jake]

Sell!! Sell!! Sell!!

[thatgirl224]

Hey Adam, did you see the new Sarah Palin skit on SNL?
Sarah Palin's interview with Katie Couric...


:lol :lol :lol

I just about died laughing

[Trippin4136]

I wonder how much money my mattress can hold....

[chiznaz]

Buy!!! Buy!!!! Buy!!!!

[chiznaz]

lol house.gov is down for me.

[dre2142]

Hey Adam, did you see the new Sarah Palin skit on SNL?
Sarah Palin's interview with Katie Couric...


:lol :lol :lol

I just about died laughing

I laughed harder at the real thing

[Crazy#41]

http://images.bloomberg.com/r06/homepage/HP_INDU.png

^^^^
This picture is updating every minute...

It was down -661 points..
Now, -560, -344-. 441.69

TSX is down like -717..

After 10% don't they shut er down?

[jiggajm18]

there's too much regulation. let the markets regulate themselves. :rolleyes

[Crazy#41]

cnn.com is up in arms

[chiznaz]

F*&K the republicans. Holy shit this pisses me off.

[kyledmb]

is it the ubber right republicans that think this is socialism?

[bubba40]

*grabs torches and pitchforks*

[jiggajm18]

so should i close out all of my bank accounts now? or can i wait until after work?

[Trippin4136]

so should i close out all of my bank accounts now? or can i wait until after work?

If you're not being facetious, there is no need to close out your checking and savings account.

[jiggajm18]

If you're not being facetious, there is no need to close out your checking and savings account.

i was just joking.

until a huge FDIC bank fails, i think we'll be fine.

[chiznaz]

for the love of god close the markets..... I hear a vacuum sound in my IRA.

[Trippin4136]

i was just joking.

until a huge FDIC bank fails, i think we'll be fine.

I think that's all we can count on at this point, that Citigroup or BofA doesn't go under....:lol

:BANG

[jiggajm18]

I think that's all we can count on at this point, that Citigroup or BofA doesn't go under....:lol

:BANG

3 banks (!) now control more than 30% of deposits.

[chiznaz]

If you don't think this was a big deal.......

the market in the past 10 min has dropped 400 points.

[TwoStep2888]

Is Wells Fargo still alive? I have $29 in my checking account there, and I don't want to get fucked on this.

[Crazy#41]

-722.03

After 10% I think they stop for the day..

[TwoStep2888]

If you don't think this was a big deal.......

the market in the past 10 min has dropped 400 points.

Oh, holy fuck. :eek

[FunkyTeaParty]

Wait, there are consequences?

[jiggajm18]

Is Wells Fargo still alive? I have $29 in my checking account there, and I don't want to get fucked on this.

FDIC insured!

not that that really matters much these days.....

[chiznaz]

Is Wells Fargo still alive? I have $29 in my checking account there, and I don't want to get fucked on this.

I have my checking with them. Wells Fargo actually hasn't been exposed to subprime mortgages nearly as much as other banks to my knowledge. Nick can give a better insight to them though.

[chiznaz]

Wait, there are consequences?


Yeah let the markets adjust themselves :BANG

[FunkyTeaParty]

"When you got nothin' you got nothin' to lose"- Bob Dylan

[ShotgunDMB]

I'm just happy the GOP showed some backbone, and didn't pass this craptastic bill. Make Pelosi give in a bit more. Sure, it may create a lot of hurt in the short term, but it will make for a better bill in the long term.

[Number41QT]

I'm just happy the GOP showed some backbone, and didn't pass this craptastic bill. Make Pelosi give in a bit more. Sure, it may create a lot of hurt in the short term, but it will make for a better bill in the long term.

:thumbsup

[jiggajm18]

"When you got nothin' you got nothin' to lose"- Bob Dylan

actually, i'm pretty sure it's "when you ain't got nothin....."

[FunkyTeaParty]

I'm just happy the GOP showed some backbone, and didn't pass this craptastic bill. Make Pelosi give in a bit more. Sure, it may create a lot of hurt in the short term, but it will make for a better bill in the long term.

I think we might have agreed on something before so I think this makes 2.

[rconverse]

Is Wells Fargo still alive? I have $29 in my checking account there, and I don't want to get fucked on this.

That's funny. :lol

[chiznaz]

:lolThat's funny. :lol

yeah the $29 part definitely went over my head

[Crazy#41]

Buy When There Is Blood On The Streets!
http://fuzzmartin.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/ramsey_gecko.jpg

[jiggajm18]

:lol

yeah the $29 part definitely went over my head

i'm pretty sure TwoStep is still in college.

4 months ago when i was still in college, $29 for me was a lot of money.

[rconverse]

Buy When There Is Blood On The Streets!
http://fuzzmartin.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/ramsey_gecko.jpg

Edit: WTF was I thinking? :lol Gordon Gecko ftw.

[TwoStep2888]

That's funny. :lol

:lol

yeah the $29 part definitely went over my head

i'm pretty sure TwoStep is still in college.

4 months ago when i was still in college, $29 for me was a lot of money.

Yes, I'm in college.

:lol Also, to clarify, being worried about my $29 was definitely a joke (though I do plan on seeing Lotus in Denver in two weeks. I'll need money for that, so hopefully the market doesn't fuck me on that ;)).

[chiznaz]

I'm just happy the GOP showed some backbone, and didn't pass this craptastic bill. Make Pelosi give in a bit more. Sure, it may create a lot of hurt in the short term, but it will make for a better bill in the long term.

If by backbone you mean trying to save face on "republican values" for the upcoming then elections.... I guess your right. The republicans voting no IMO are just trying to distance themselves from Bush for the upcoming election and want to be able to save face when they go back home.

It is absolutely disgusting... especially reading quotes from some of them.

[TwoStep2888]

God damn it, my hometown Representative, Steve Kagen (D-WI), voted against it. Fuck you, Dr. Millionaire! :mad

[chiznaz]

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2008/roll674.xml

For those of you who want to know who voted for it.

[FunkyTeaParty]

I love all the cheerleading for the bailout on the news channels.

[Bartndrpleez]

"When you got nothin' you got nothin' to lose"- Bob Dylan

Pretty much! I'm in debt up to my eyeballs, so uhhhhh, I say BRING IT ON! :lol

[Trippin4136]

If by backbone you mean trying to save face on "republican values" for the upcoming then elections.... I guess your right. The republicans voting no IMO are just trying to distance themselves from Bush for the upcoming election and want to be able to save face when they go back home.

It is absolutely disgusting... especially reading quotes from some of them.

I second that.

They sure picked a perfect time to finally stand up to Bush and invoke their "Republican values" as millions of 401ks go out the window.

"We could have gotten there today had it not been for the partisan speech that the speaker gave on the floor of the House," House Minority Leader John Boehner said. Pelosi's words, the Ohio Republican said, "poisoned our conference, caused a number of members that we thought we could get, to go south."

The House Repubs chose partisanship.

[marco j]

This can't be good for McCain.

[ShotgunDMB]

If by backbone you mean trying to save face on "republican values" for the upcoming then elections.... I guess your right. The republicans voting no IMO are just trying to distance themselves from Bush for the upcoming election and want to be able to save face when they go back home.

It is absolutely disgusting... especially reading quotes from some of them.

No, "backbone" meaning "conservative". A word that has been wayyyyy too foreign to Republicans for a few years. There's absolutely no reason to shove this horrible bill down the throats of the American people in the matter of a couple of days. You can't just rush through something this monumentous in less than a week. That's reckless and ridiculous. It didn't pass, this means they have to work and make it better. That's it.

[marco j]

No, "backbone" meaning "conservative". A word that has been wayyyyy too foreign to Republicans for a few years. There's absolutely no reason to shove this horrible bill down the throats of the American people in the matter of a couple of days. You can't just rush through something this monumentous in less than a week. That's reckless and ridiculous. It didn't pass, this means they have to work and make it better. That's it.

You were unquestionably behind this a couple of days ago.

[FunkyTeaParty]

This is such a dire emergency that Congress is only going to take two days off this week.

[Trippin4136]

No, "backbone" meaning "conservative". A word that has been wayyyyy too foreign to Republicans for a few years. There's absolutely no reason to shove this horrible bill down the throats of the American people in the matter of a couple of days. You can't just rush through something this monumentous in less than a week. That's reckless and ridiculous. It didn't pass, this means they have to work and make it better. That's it.

That fast? It's been nearly two weeks since the big banks went under. You see what's happened in just two weeks?

[Number41QT]

No, "backbone" meaning "conservative". A word that has been wayyyyy too foreign to Republicans for a few years. There's absolutely no reason to shove this horrible bill down the throats of the American people in the matter of a couple of days. You can't just rush through something this monumentous in less than a week. That's reckless and ridiculous. It didn't pass, this means they have to work and make it better. That's it.

Def. agreed...and the more that people freak out about it - the worse it will make it. If people would just RELAX and let them work out a better plan with more long term effect, vs. a "quick fix" - it'll be MUCH better for everyone in the long run.

[Trippin4136]

This is such a dire emergency that Congress is only going to take two days off this week.

Hell, they are only NOW debating whether they can go on their fall recess and/or go back on their campaign trails!

[ShotgunDMB]

You were unquestionably behind this a couple of days ago.

No, I wasn't. I'm in favor of bailout, sadly. I'm just not terribly upset this current form of it failed.

[FunkyTeaParty]

Wolf Blitzer is creaming his jeans.

[ShotgunDMB]

This is such a dire emergency that Congress is only going to take two days off this week.

Noooo, they're not taking two days off this week. How will they have time to give themsevles another pay raise?

[rconverse]

Hell, they are only NOW debating whether they can go on their fall recess and/or go back on their campaign trails!

I just hope they vote on a pay increase soon. They work hard over there.

[rconverse]

Noooo, they're not taking two days off this week. How will they have time to give themsevles another pay raise?

Dood! :lol

[Crazy#41]

Wolf Blitzer is creaming his jeans.

Wonder where he buys his scruff?

[chiznaz]

No, "backbone" meaning "conservative". A word that has been wayyyyy too foreign to Republicans for a few years. There's absolutely no reason to shove this horrible bill down the throats of the American people in the matter of a couple of days. You can't just rush through something this monumentous in less than a week. That's reckless and ridiculous. It didn't pass, this means they have to work and make it better. That's it.

Then why the hell are they going home now...... hell it's not even 5 on the east coast. This Congress has been a huge failure and for me the Republicans highlight that failure with this bill. This bill was worked out for over a week and through a weekend. They had the chairmen of the Fed, Treasury, and SEC at their call. They had time to work this out and figure out what to do. Having the market tank 400 points in 10 min because they want to get back to "conservative values" is bullshit.... plain and simple.

Def. agreed...and the more that people freak out about it - the worse it will make it. If people would just RELAX and let them work out a better plan with more long term effect, vs. a "quick fix" - it'll be MUCH better for everyone in the long run.

Financial institutions don't sit back and relax so lawmakers can pull their heads out. Companies are hanging by a thread needing to get troubled debt off their balance sheets. This could help. I personally don't like the idea of the Fed taking on troubled debt in general, but when a problem is systemic like this... it has to be done and done quickly.

Take for example Nike. They have nothing to do with anything going on as far as financial instruments. They have dropped near 5% today. They're on par with their industry to. That should show how pervasive this problem is. You simply can't sit back and relax for a bunch of children to yell and whine at each other.

[dmbphan041]

I'm just happy the GOP showed some backbone, and didn't pass this craptastic bill. Make Pelosi give in a bit more. Sure, it may create a lot of hurt in the short term, but it will make for a better bill in the long term.

are you a fucking moron, seriously.

Oh the economy is SHIT, but goooooooooooooo GOP!!11

[ShotgunDMB]

are you a fucking moron, seriously.

Oh the economy is SHIT, but goooooooooooooo GOP!!11

Don't you live in Canada?

There's no reason to pass something just for the sake of passing it.

I also give the 40% Democrats who voted against this props.

[marco j]

are you a fucking moron, seriously.

Oh the economy is SHIT, but goooooooooooooo GOP!!11

Why does it surprise you? They have supported George Bush for eight years while he drove us towards a brick wall.

[jmudmbphan]

^ shotgun.....what do you t hink should happen?

I think I am one of the few who arent afraid to admit I have no idea which would be better...so Im seriously asking here...

[dmbphan041]

Toronto stock exchange down

nine. hundred. points.


are you fucking kidding me.

[dmbphan041]

Why does it surprise you? They have supported George Bush for eight years while he drove us towards a brick wall.

it surprises that the American people can be so ridiculous and vote for these Nazi's. twice.

[ShotgunDMB]

Why does it surprise you? They have supported George Bush for eight years while he drove us towards a brick wall.

Such a simpleton.

On this issue, you and Bush are on the same page.

[jmudmbphan]

it surprises that the American people can be so ridiculous and vote for these Nazi's. twice.


you are suprised by the intelligence of the american people? outside the suburbs and certain areas of big cities most of america is uneducated trash

[marco j]

it surprises that the American people can be so ridiculous and vote for these Nazi's. twice.

Such a simpleton.

On this issue, you and Bush are on the same page.

^^This guy is a prime example of how that can happen.:shrug

[ShotgunDMB]

^^This guy is a prime example of how that can happen.:shrug

Yep. Regardless, you and Bush are on the same page with the current bailout.

[jmudmbphan]

no one has said bush is wrong 100% of the time.

[marco j]

Yep. Regardless, you and Bush are on the same page with the current bailout.



Really, I've been against it from the begining(when two posts in you were) and Bush seems to be for it.:shrug

[marco j]

I apologise Shotgun, I mistook your compliance for support for the bail out.

No, but our economy is fucked without it. So what can you do?

[ShotgunDMB]

I apologise Shotgun, I mistook your compliance for support for the bail out.

Do you not understand nuance? Yes, I support a bailout..always have. It needs to be reasonable, not something passed recklessly. :freak

If you don't support a bailout in any form, then that's pretty...horrible.

[seekupchuck]

for the love of god close the markets..... I hear a vacuum sound in my IRA.

Get gold.

[seekupchuck]

God damn it, my hometown Representative, Steve Kagen (D-WI), voted against it. Fuck you, Dr. Millionaire! :mad

Dude, if you are in college with no savings, this is good for you. Oil will drop to near nothing, and once the markets bottom out, you can start your IRA/401k at bargain prices. Rejoice.:thumbsup

[chiznaz]

Get gold.

Can I borrow your Delorean?

[ShotgunDMB]

http://www.buymyshitpile.com/

[seekupchuck]

Can I borrow your Delorean?

Here, my delorean is in the shop. Being the economic god that you are, I wouldve assumed you would be up on this?


http://www.bullionvault.com/

[seekupchuck]

Can I borrow your Delorean?


BTW, how do you think all my gold stock and reserves have done this year vs. the dow? How do they stand to do as the market tanks further? You keep your economic philosophies and arrogance all the way to the poor house.:thumbsup

[Crazy#41]

So is/was this Black Monday?

[chiznaz]

BTW, how do you think all my gold stock and reserves have done this year vs. the dow? How do they stand to do as the market tanks further? You keep your economic philosophies and arrogance all the way to the poor house.:thumbsup

You're probably doing incredible with your invesments in gold, which is awesome:thumbsup. I said I wanted to go back in time because it would have been great to buy some earlier this decade.

It's not arrogance. Gold can be wonderful if you carefuly monitor the prices and environment Gold seems to be highly volatile, which I hate having to track. I personally like the fact that I can look at a company's financials and dig through them that way. It's just personal preference. It is pretty interesting how gold fluctuates inversely with the market in general.

[ShotgunDMB]

Lost in today's news...Crude oil is probably going to drop like a rock. It's back down to $96/barrel right now.

[jmudmbphan]

yep..down 20% over the past week

[seekupchuck]

You're probably doing incredible with your invesments in gold, which is awesome:thumbsup. I said I wanted to go back in time because it would have been great to buy some earlier this decade.

It's not arrogance. Gold can be wonderful if you carefuly monitor the prices and environment Gold seems to be highly volatile, which I hate having to track. I personally like the fact that I can look at a company's financials and dig through them that way. It's just personal preference. It is pretty interesting how gold fluctuates inversely with the market in general.

Do you have any gold? Even if you dont want to track it, it is at least good to hedge bets against crashes. Most say 20% gold.

Say you have 100K in the market

in this crisis, assuming the worst and the market crashes, goes down 50% and gold were to go up roughly 400% the two scenarios look like this:

W/O gold you would be left with 50K
with gold you would be left with 120K

say the market starts going up and gold starts retracting after we stabilize, then take minimal losses on the gold and enjoy the up turn.

Anyway, that is the basic strtegy with gold as I understand it.(I do have $ in gold, but exxagerated it for the sake of the point;))

What are your thoughts on this? Our differences aside on certain issues, I respect your opinions on these economics topics.:)

[seekupchuck]

Lost in today's news...Crude oil is probably going to drop like a rock. It's back down to $96/barrel right now.


Which is a direct result of NO BAILOUT. Some are predicting a free fall to 25-35/barrel:thumbsup:thumbsup

[jmudmbphan]

jesus 25-35 a barrel? what is that like 75 cent gas again!?

[ShotgunDMB]

Which is a direct result of NO BAILOUT. Some are predicting a free fall to 25-35/barrel:thumbsup:thumbsup

Whom is predicting that?

[chiznaz]

Do you have any gold? Even if you dont want to track it, it is at least good to hedge bets against crashes. Most say 20% gold.

Say you have 100K in the market

in this crisis, assuming the worst and the market crashes, goes down 50% and gold were to go up roughly 400% the two scenarios look like this:

W/O gold you would be left with 50K
with gold you would be left with 120K

say the market starts going up and gold starts retracting after we stabilize, then take minimal losses on the gold and enjoy the up turn.

Anyway, that is the basic strtegy with gold as I understand it.(I do have $ in gold, but exxagerated it for the sake of the point;))

What are your thoughts on this? Our differences aside on certain issues, I respect your opinions on these economics topics.:)

That certainly is one way to hedge against the downturn of the market.

There also are a lot of different ways to allocate a portfolio and "hedge." A portfolio with roughly 18-20 stocks will take out a lot of risk related to each individual company and leave you with systemic risks related to the overall market. A good combination of stocks/bonds/treasuries will leave your exposure a minimum. Obviously with those three classifications there are plenty of combinations. The main difference between the best fund managers on Wall St is not which stocks they pick, but how they allocate the funds (stocks/bonds/treasuries). Throw in gold and you have a very unique way of hedging a portfolio as well.

I personally don't have individual stocks right now. I just stick with mutual funds to diversify myself. Stocks are traded generally in quantities of 100, and I'm not near having that kind of money yet to diversify myself. Mutual funds are a great way to inexspensively diversify.


Anyways, when it comes down to it..... if you can beat the market, you are doing great:thumbsup If you have gold, odds are you're beating the market:lol
Our differences definitely don't keep me from reading your posts. It would be boring if everyone here had the same thoughts on things. It's always good to have other people challenge your thoughts and reasonings. I definitely respect the fact that you have your reasons for your take on things and have a different opinion than me:thumbsup

[marco j]

jesus 25-35 a barrel? what is that like 75 cent gas again!?

Gas was over $2 a gallon when gas prices hadn't even hit $50 a barrel.

[jmudmbphan]

Gas was over $2 a gallon when gas prices hadn't even hit $50 a barrel.


http://www.wtrg.com/prices.htm

http://www.click2houston.com/news/852786/detail.html

Oil was 24 dollars a barell in summer 2001...and during the same time frame gas was as low as 1.09 a gallon..averaging about 1.25.

While it wasnt 80 cent gas....it certainly was a lot less than 2. If oil drops to 25-35 range, why would gas prices deviate from where they were in the past when oil was at the same corresponding price?

[thatgirl224]

**hidesmoneyundermattress**

[seekupchuck]

Whom is predicting that?

The Donald? Duh!

[seekupchuck]

**hidesmoneyundermattress**

That may not work if nflation continues. Youll have 10K in your mattress and you wont have enough for a case of Blatz:lol

[Pengin4192]

jesus 25-35 a barrel? what is that like 75 cent gas again!?
Well it was a bit over 20 bucks in 2002, and gas at the time was somewhere around 1.30 I believe. Also, now that's its been up so high, I doubt its ever going back down to 2 dollars.

[thatgirl224]

That may not work if nflation continues. Youll have 10K in your mattress and you wont have enough for a case of Blatz:lol

I dunno what blatz is :lol

If this shit keeps up, I'm moving into the cottage. Fuck this community shit.

[cruscott35]

there's too much regulation. let the markets regulate themselves. :rolleyes

Regulation got us into this mess. Forcing banks to give mortgages to people who couldn't pay them back is why we are where we are.

F*&K the republicans. Holy shit this pisses me off.

The Dems control both the house and senate, the president is with them. If they could get their party in order, the republicans wouldn't be an issue.

[dmbphan041]

**hidesmoneyundermattress**


bitch, the Man is so gunna take that mattress and like turn it into prison feed.

[thatgirl224]

bitch, the Man is so gunna take that mattress and like turn it into prison feed.

If the man wants to brave the Newfoundland coast, 200 km outside of "Where the fuck is civilization? Are we gonna die?" to get to my cottage...then good on 'em! :lol

[Trippin4136]

Keep in mind, oil is still high because of it going off-line with the storms on the Gulf Coast.

It still has room to go down simply when the pipelines come back online.

Friend of mine who works in petroleum [a distributor, not "big oil"] says oil should really be about $75/barrel.

[comerelaxnow]

its a good thing i had no money to begin with

[dmbphan041]

....so apparently my parents lost a fuckload of money.

awesome.

[chiznaz]

Only 1 company in the S&P 500 index had a gain today.......



Campbells Soup Co.

[cruscott35]

....so apparently my parents lost a fuckload of money.

awesome.

I'm guessing about 7% of whatever they had in the stock market. Everyone did. My girl's inheritance from her grandpa probably got slashed by 75k or so today.

[comerelaxnow]

the whole thing is just so fucked up. why should hard working american citizens be losing their money because of this.

[cruscott35]

the whole thing is just so fucked up. why should hard working american citizens be losing their money because of this.


It's called an investment. There is no guarantee of any returns on the stock market. It's the chance you take when you invest in the market.

[Pengin4192]

....so apparently my parents lost a fuckload of money.

awesome.
As long as they aren't about to retire, I think they'll be ok.

[comerelaxnow]

It's called an investment. There is no guarantee of any returns on the stock market. It's the chance you take when you invest in the market.

yeah. i realized i worded that last part wrong. i tried deleting it.

still...fucked up

[seekupchuck]

I dunno what blatz is :lol

If this shit keeps up, I'm moving into the cottage. Fuck this community shit.

http://thepoptopshop.com/osc/images/Blatz.JPG
the good shit!

[dmbphan041]

As long as they aren't about to retire, I think they'll be ok.

they were.


soooooo, yea.

[rconverse]

Only 1 company in the S&P 500 index had a gain today.......



Campbells Soup Co.

That'sgood soup.

[jmudmbphan]

on the bright side....the next several months will prove to be a good time to plunk some money into some solid stocks for a great bargain

[jiggajm18]

Regulation got us into this mess. Forcing banks to give mortgages to people who couldn't pay them back is why we are where we are.

:lol:lol

fannie and freddie are a small reason for this economic crisis.

[jiggajm18]

the whole thing is just so fucked up. why should hard working american citizens be losing their money because of this.

you do realize that that's what would happen if social security was privatized.....right?

[Beefsteak1138]

My mom just called me and told me to pull a few thousand dollars out my bank....just in case.

[thatgirl224]

http://www.phdcomics.com/comics/archive/phd092208s.gif


ahahahahahaah

:lol :lol :lol

[ShotgunDMB]

European markets didn't react as negatively to the bailout news.

[TwoStep2888]

Hey, remember when Republicans were crying because Nancy Pelosi hurt their feelings, and then blamed her for the bailout failing?

Well, LO-fucking-L

RNC ad, was cut, sent out before package failed

The Republican National Committee's new advertisement critical of the the Wall Street "bailout" was produced and sent to television stations in key states before the package failed, officials at two stations said.

"Wall Street Squanders our money. And Washington is forced to bail them out with -- you guessed it -- our money. Can it get any worse?" asks the ad's narrator, as the words "BAILOUT WITH OUR MONEY" cross the screen. (The answer: Obama's plans would make it worse.)

The ad, however, seems to assume that it can safely attack a successful plan. And the reason may be the timing: Though it started airing this morning, the spot was released to stations yesterday morning, ad executives at stations in Michigan and Pennsylvania said.

Kae Buck of WLNS in Lansing said her station received the at at 7:55 a.m. Monday. Luanne Russell of Pittsburgh's WTAE said her station received it at 10:49 Monday morning.

The ad taps into deep resentment of the plan, but it comes at a time when the candidate it supports, John McCain, is urging its package, and asking (http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0908/McCain_vs_the_RNC.html?showall) that it not be referred to as a "bailout," but a "rescue."
Asked about the ad's relationship to the congressional legislation, the consultant heading up the RNC's expenditure, Brad Todd, responded in an email that Obama is its focus.

"This ad is about Barack Obama’s spending plan," he said. "Last Friday in the debate he struggled to name even one spending proposal he would responsibly trim in light of the economic crisis and any potential bailout plan. Senator Obama clings to his big spending approach even today and our ad campaign will focus attention on that irresponsible position."

UPDATE: Asked if he has any regrets about an ad that seems to cut against McCain's message, Todd reiterated his criticism of the fact that Obama hasn't altered spending plans in light of the crisis, and added: "In all seriousness....what planet are you on?"

[VanHorneDog]

so we have seen what happens when the bush administration cares about out country 2001-2006 and now when he doesnt 2006-2009.

i want bush version 2001.9.13 back.

[seekupchuck]

OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! the stock market is down 150 points.

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh:lorraine

[bigeyedfish190]

Well it was a bit over 20 bucks in 2002, and gas at the time was somewhere around 1.30 I believe. Also, now that's its been up so high, I doubt its ever going back down to 2 dollars.

It would seem so odd now. Will it not go back down just because the oil companies can get away with the current prices?

http://www.phdcomics.com/comics/archive/phd092208s.gif


ahahahahahaah

:lol :lol :lol

very nice.:lol

[Pengin4192]

It would seem so odd now. Will it not go back down just because the oil companies can get away with the current prices?



very nice.:lol
We're all accustomed to those high prices by now. Plus, oil's not ever going back down to 20 dollars anyway.

[ShotgunDMB]

so we have seen what happens when the bush administration cares about out country 2001-2006 and now when he doesnt 2006-2009.

i want bush version 2001.9.13 back.

Actually, Bush lost the country in the Summer of 2005 after Katrina. Then Iraq was starting to unravel, and the economy started faltering in late 06. Add all of that together and you have his current approval ratings.

I think most people (50%) were fine with him up until that point (Katrina).

[TwoStep2888]

Actually, Bush lost the country in the Summer of 2005 after Katrina. Then Iraq was starting to unravel, and the economy started faltering in late 06. Add all of that together and you have his current approval ratings.

I think most people (50%) were fine with him up until that point (Katrina).

Yeah, before Katrina, most of the "FUCKIN BU$H :mad" sentiment was partisan, seen almost only among liberals, as opposed to the nonpartisan distaste most Americans associate with him now.

[ShotgunDMB]

Yeah, before Katrina, most of the "FUCKIN BU$H :mad" sentiment was partisan, seen almost only among liberals, as opposed to the nonpartisan distaste most Americans associate with him now.

Yeah, I think it was mostly partisans and anti war people who hated him then.

I passed a car on the road with one of those "1.19.09 The End of an Error" stickers today. I laughed.

[TwoStep2888]

Yeah, I think it was mostly partisans and anti war people who hated him then.

I passed a car on the road with one of those "1.19.09 The End of an Error" stickers today. I laughed.

I'm very liberal, and I disagree with Bush on nearly everything he's done in the past eight years, but the irrational, bloodthirsty hatred of the guy does make me laugh. :lol

Also, since we mentioned Katrina, The Onion brings plenty of lolz this week (http://www.theonion.com/content/news/hurricane_katrina_returns_to_new). :lol

[ShotgunDMB]

I'm very liberal, and I disagree with Bush on nearly everything he's done in the past eight years, but the irrational, bloodthirsty hatred of the guy does make me laugh. :lol

Also, since we mentioned Katrina, The Onion brings plenty of lolz this week (http://www.theonion.com/content/news/hurricane_katrina_returns_to_new). :lol

:lol God, I love The Onion. Brilliant bastards.

[chiznaz]

Here is a breakdown of who voted yes/no on senate bill.

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=110&session=2&vote=00213

[ShotgunDMB]

Here is a breakdown of who voted yes/no on senate bill.

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=110&session=2&vote=00213

Jim Demint. Keeping those impeccable conservative credentials.

[TwoStep2888]

Jim Demint. Keeping those impeccable conservative credentials.

My boy Feingold voted against it as well. :thumbsup

[ShotgunDMB]

My boy Feingold voted against it as well. :thumbsup

Russ Feingold is a horrible person.

Jim Demint is pretty much the best person in Congress. And votes as I would on a majority of issues. :)

[TwoStep2888]

Russ Feingold is a horrible person.

Oh, no, why do you say that?

[ShotgunDMB]

Oh, no, why do you say that?

His extreme liberalism, mostly. He and Jim Demint are pretty much polar opposites. You guys do have Ryan though. :thumbsup

I shouldn't say hes a horrible person...Let's just say he has horrible positions. (IMO)

[TwoStep2888]

His extreme liberalism, mostly. He and Jim Demint are pretty much polar opposites. You guys do have Ryan though. :thumbsup

Funny, that's my favorite trait of his. I thought you had a qualm about a specific policy or belief, as I do with DeMint and his inhuman "no single mother or homosexual teachers" policy.

edit: Ah, didn't get your edit. I understand.

[ShotgunDMB]

Funny, that's my favorite trait of his. I thought you had a qualm about a specific policy or belief, as I do with DeMint and his inhuman "no single mother or homosexual teachers" policy.

edit: Ah, didn't get your edit. I understand.

Yeah, I don't agree with that.

Nobody's perfect. ;)

[TwoStep2888]

Yeah, I don't agree with that.

Nobody's perfect. ;)

That's fair. It's impossible to find a politician who matches you on every issue.

[dmbphan041]

soooo the dow is still going down.

[jiggajm18]

soooo the dow is still going down.

dumb american: "let's let the Wall St. bankers rot! nothing that happens there effects me anyways!"

:lol:rolleyes

[seekupchuck]

That's fair. It's impossible to find a politician who matches you on every issue.

No, thats not fair. If that guy honestly believes that, it exposes him as a morally flawed alien creature.

[seekupchuck]

dumb american: "let's let the Wall St. bankers rot! nothing that happens there effects me anyways!"

:lol:rolleyes

dumb american: "lets pump fiat currency into the system, that will save us and our economy for a year"

[AJF_41]

soooo the dow is still going down.

do you even know what the dow is? (don't look it up)

[dmbphan041]

welp, there goes the economy.

[seekupchuck]

welp, there goes the economy.


Dont worry I hear they are discussing an international bailout now! Since this one is failing.

One World Government is not far off. For the good of the international markets of course.

[Crazy#41]

From the Global financial meltdown (http://edition.cnn.com/2008/BUSINESS/10/06/stock.markets/index.html) to the visions of doom from Bill Deagle (http://projectavalon.net/bill_deagle_4_oct_2008.mp3) to be kicked of by some major event occuring on Oct 7th, to the MASSIVE war games starting OCT 6th (http://www.mod.uk/DefenceInternet/DefenceNews/TrainingAndAdventure/ScotlandPreparesForJointWarrior.htm) involving the UK and 8 other nations, at the same time that Russia is holding it's own live missile fire air exercise (http://www.debka.com/article.php?aid=1360) near alaska, also Russia and Venezula teaming up together. Harsh words for Iran from Olmert. Rumoured alien VISIT on OCT 14 (http://www.webcamufo.com/), http://www.blossomgoodchild.com/, US TROOPS on active duty within the united states from OCT 1st (http://www.armytimes.com/news/2008/09/army_homeland_090708w/)..


Something odd is happening..

I think this week, most likley before Wed, will be an extraordinary stir of events.

[jiggajm18]

this is why we need more government regulation

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/07/business/economy/07lehman.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

[seekupchuck]

From the Global financial meltdown (http://edition.cnn.com/2008/BUSINESS/10/06/stock.markets/index.html) to the visions of doom from Bill Deagle (http://projectavalon.net/bill_deagle_4_oct_2008.mp3) to be kicked of by some major event occuring on Oct 7th, to the MASSIVE war games starting OCT 6th (http://www.mod.uk/DefenceInternet/DefenceNews/TrainingAndAdventure/ScotlandPreparesForJointWarrior.htm) involving the UK and 8 other nations, at the same time that Russia is holding it's own live missile fire air exercise (http://www.debka.com/article.php?aid=1360) near alaska, also Russia and Venezula teaming up together. Harsh words for Iran from Olmert. Rumoured alien VISIT on OCT 14 (http://www.webcamufo.com/), http://www.blossomgoodchild.com/, US TROOPS on active duty within the united states from OCT 1st (http://www.armytimes.com/news/2008/09/army_homeland_090708w/)..


Something odd is happening..

I think this week, most likley before Wed, will be an extraordinary stir of events.

Wow, Beagle is talling BIG shit! I just listened to his interview from Oct 4th about the coming event on Oct 7th, and the subsequent events. Snaaaaap. We will see tomorrow....

[Trippin4136]

^^^
Birds of a feather flock together.

[Number27]

This is what happens when you try your damnest to avoid a recession.

[seekupchuck]

This is intentional.

[Crazy#41]

Wow, Beagle is talling BIG shit! I just listened to his interview from Oct 4th about the coming event on Oct 7th, and the subsequent events. Snaaaaap. We will see tomorrow....

Supposed Black Tuesday of the new century...
DOW and TSX are down almost 7%.

Maybe the true.

[Trippin4136]

This is intentional.

Honestly, how warped are you?

Yes, it's a superelitist group's agenda to make the world economy get on its knees...:freak

[chiznaz]

Honestly, how warped are you?

Yes, it's a superelitist group's agenda to make the world economy get on its knees...:freak

just learn to glance over it. that's what i did:cool

[ShotgunDMB]

I feel guilty for supporting this bailout. I should know better.:mad

[Trippin4136]

Gunner, you've got to give a few days, maybe weeks. They can't roll out $700B literally over the weekend.

The market dropping 315 points today is not nearly as bad as it could have been.

I'm not saying the bailout WILL work, but it won't be a cure all in one business day.

[seekupchuck]

Honestly, how warped are you?

Yes, it's a superelitist group's agenda to make the world economy get on its knees...:freak


....exactly.

What is on the horizon after this world wide meltdown? Common currency, a global economic council, martial law, one world government. How many things do these conspiracy nuts have to get right before you start realizing the real conspiracy?

If super elites dont run the world, who does? These things are not accidental in my opinion. Even in the event that they were, dont you think a group of capable people would manipuilate it to work it to their advantage.

BTW, the end result of economies coming to their knees...Strong get stronger, weak get weaker.

[seekupchuck]

just learn to glance over it. that's what i did:cool

would anything convince you of this? What do you have to see in the coming years to believe in this type of reality? WW3? Martial law, another false flag terrorist attck? the amero? the nafta super highway? NAU? cancelled elections? give me some measuring stick.

[seekupchuck]

I feel guilty for supporting this bailout. I should know better.:mad


You should have listened to that nut job..Ron Paul.:thumbsup

[seekupchuck]

Gunner, you've got to give a few days, maybe weeks. They can't roll out $700B literally over the weekend.

The market dropping 315 points today is not nearly as bad as it could have been.

I'm not saying the bailout WILL work, but it won't be a cure all in one business day.


Besides loosening the credit crunch , it was supposed to give investors confidence.

The latter has already failed, that is an immediate cause/effect. So at the best, we blew $350,000,000,000

[chiznaz]

would anything convince you of this? What do you have to see in the coming years to believe in this type of reality? WW3? Martial law, another false flag terrorist attck? the amero? the nafta super highway? NAU? cancelled elections? give me some measuring stick.

I don't think I know what you're referring to. Are you talking about elite controling things?

Besides loosening the credit crunch , it was supposed to give investors confidence.

The latter has already failed, that is an immediate cause/effect. So at the best, we blew $350,000,000,000

Selloffs today were dealing with global concerns about banks. European banks are getting hammered now (credit squeeze is hitting them full force now). Their gov'ts are starting to take action as well. I don't necessarily think the bailout has been a success (it's much to early to tell), but to say it's already failed is premature I believe.





On a side note, I'm interested in seeing how Russia comes away from all of this. Putin is loved because of economic booms that have hit Russia recently. With commodities getting hammered (they stopped trading in Russia today and their market dropped 9% in 30 min), it'll be interesting to see if he is still revered like he is.

[dmbphan041]

How'd the market finish out the day?

[chiznaz]

How'd the market finish out the day?

The Dow fell 3.5% (370 points) today.

It fell as much as 800 points but "rallied" as trading came to a close.

[Tiduwho]

Man...I was really rooting for that Stock Market Shutdown.....hopefully we'll be in the Great Depression part II soon, I really want to stay on track for that 12/21/12 end date.

[cryfreedom4136]

I just finished burrying all my money in coffee cans in the backyard

[Trippin4136]

On a side note, I'm interested in seeing how Russia comes away from all of this. Putin is loved because of economic booms that have hit Russia recently. With commodities getting hammered (they stopped trading in Russia today and their market dropped 9% in 30 min), it'll be interesting to see if he is still revered like he is.

The Russian market dropped as much as 15% in their last trading session. Brazil too.

[Trippin4136]

Besides loosening the credit crunch , it was supposed to give investors confidence.

The latter has already failed, that is an immediate cause/effect. So at the best, we blew $350,000,000,000

Way too early to know what has worked and what hasn't. The bill passed on Friday. I know you're rooting for the of civilization, so your patience is thin, but that's what people need when $700B is getting shelled out - patience.

It doesn't help having people like Jim Cramer on TV screaming that the market will crash 20% and for everyone to take 5 years worth of their funds out of the market.

[Tiduwho]

The Bailout has failed.

[Trippin4136]

....exactly.

What is on the horizon after this world wide meltdown? Common currency, a global economic council, martial law, one world government. How many things do these conspiracy nuts have to get right before you start realizing the real conspiracy?

If super elites dont run the world, who does? These things are not accidental in my opinion. Even in the event that they were, dont you think a group of capable people would manipuilate it to work it to their advantage.

BTW, the end result of economies coming to their knees...Strong get stronger, weak get weaker.

Who are these "superelites"? The media? Corporatism? Bush? Cheney? The men in cloaks? Who? Who are the boogeymen you are so afraid of?

[Pengin4192]

The Russian market dropped as much as 15% in their last trading session. Brazil too.
I thought the Brazilian market shut down after a 10% loss in a day.

[dmbphan041]

The TSX was down 1600 points at one point today.

[seekupchuck]

Who are these "superelites"? The media? Corporatism? Bush? Cheney? The men in cloaks? Who? Who are the boogeymen you are so afraid of?


Do some research, dont act like this is a figment of some conspiracy theorists' imagination.

Buy the way, the way you guys ignore the actions of some powerfull people, is scarier than some conspiracy prophecies.

Start with the Bilderbergers, work out from there. Committee of 300 is another good start.

Abergavemy, Marquis of.
Acheson, Dean.
Adeane, Lord Michael
Agnelli, Giovanni.
Alba, Duke of.
Aldington, Lord.
Aleman, Miguel.
Allihone, Professor T. E.
Alsop Family Designate.
Amory, Houghton.
Anderson, Charles A.
Anderson, Robert 0.
Andreas, Dwayne.
Asquith, Lord.
Astor, John Jacob and successor, Waldorf.
Aurangzeb, Descendants of.
Austin, Paul.

Baco, Sir Ranulph
BalFour, Arthur.
Balogh, Lord.
Bancroft, Baron Stormont.
Baring.
Barnato, B.
Barran, Sir John.
Baxendell, Sir Peter.
Beatrice of Savoy, Princess.
Beaverbrook, Lord.
Beck, Robert.
Beeley, Sir Harold.
Beit, Alfred.
Benn, Anthony Wedgewood.
Bennet, John W.
Benneton, Gilberto or alternate Carlo.
Bertie, Andrew.
Besant, Sir Walter.
Bethal, Lord Nicholas.
Bialkin, David.
Biao, Keng.
Bingham, William.
Binny, J. F.
Blunt, Wilfred.
Bonacassi, Franco Orsini.
Bottcher, Fritz.
Bradshaw, Thornton.
Brandt, Willy.
Brewster, Kingman.
Buchan, Alastair.
Buffet, Warren.
Bullitt, William C.
Bulwer-Lytton, Edward.
Bundy, McGeorge.
Bundy, William.
Bush, George.

Cabot, John. Family Designate.
Caccia, Baron Harold Anthony.
Cadman, Sir John.
Califano, Joseph.
Carrington, Lord.
Carter, Edward.
Catlin, Donat.
Catto, Lord.
Cavendish, Victor C. W. Duke of Devonshire.
Chamberlain, Houston Stewart.
Chang, V. F.
Chechirin, Georgi or Family Designate.
Churchill, Winston.
Cicireni, V. or Family Designate.
Cini, Count Vittorio.
Clark, Howard.
Cleveland, Amory.
Cleveland, Harland.
Clifford, Clark.
Cobold, Lord.
Coffin, the Rev William Sloane.
Constanti, House of Orange.
Cooper, John. Family Designate.
Coudenhove-Kalergi, Count.
Cowdray, Lord.
Cox, Sir Percy.
Cromer, Lord Evelyn Baring.
Crowther, Sir Eric.
Cumming, Sir Mansfield.
Curtis, Lionel. d’Arcy, William K.

D’Avignon, Count Etienne.
Danner, Jean Duroc.
Davis, John W. de Benneditti, Carlo.
De Bruyne, Dirk.
De Gunzberg, Baron Alain.
De Lamater, Major General Walter.
De Menil, Jean.
De Vries, Rimmer.
de Zulueta, Sir Philip.
de’Aremberg, Marquis Charles Louis.
Delano. Family Designate.
Dent, R.
Deterding, Sir Henri.
di Spadaforas, Count Guitierez, (House
Douglas-Home, Sir Alec.
Drake, Sir Eric.
Duchene, Francois.
DuPont.

Edward, Duke of Kent.
Eisenberg, Shaul.
Elliott, Nicholas.
Elliott, William Yandel.
Elsworthy, Lord.

Farmer, Victor.
Forbes, John M.
Foscaro, Pierre.
France, Sir Arnold.
Fraser, Sir Hugh.
Frederik IX, King of Denmark Family Designate.
Freres, Lazard.
Frescobaldi, Lamberto.
Fribourg, Michael.

Gabor, Dennis.
Gallatin, Albert. Family Designate.
Gardner, Richard.
Geddes, Sir Auckland.
Geddes, Sir Reay.
George, Lloyd.
Giffen, James.
Gilmer, John D.
Giustiniani, Justin.
Gladstone, Lord.
Gloucestor, The Duke of.
Gordon, Walter Lockhart.
Grace, Peter J.
Greenhill, Lord Dennis Arthur.
Greenhill, Sir Dennis.
Grey, Sir Edward.
Gyllenhammar, Pierres.

Haakon, King of Norway.
Haig, Sir Douglas.
Hailsham, Lord.
Haldane, Richard Burdone.
Halifax, Lord.
Hall, Sir Peter Vickers.
Hambro, Sir Jocelyn.
Hamilton, Cyril.
Harriman, Averill.
Hart, Sir Robert.
Hartman, Arthur H.
Healey, Dennis.
Helsby, Lord.
Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II.
Her Majesty Queen Juliana.
Her Royal Highness Princess Beatrix.
Her Royal Highness Queen Margreta.
Heseltine, Sir William.
Hesse, Grand Duke descendants, Family Designate.
Hoffman, Paul G.
Holland, William.
House of Braganza.
House of Hohenzollern.
House, Colonel Mandel.
Howe, Sir Geoffrey.
Hughes, Thomas H.
Hugo, Thieman.
Hutchins, Robert M.
Huxley, Aldous.

Inchcape, Lord.

Jamieson, Ken.
Japhet, Ernst Israel.
Jay, John. Family Designate.
Jodry, J. J.
Joseph, Sir Keith.

Katz, Milton.
Kaufman, Asher.
Keith, Sir Kenneth.
Keswick, Sir William Johnston, or Keswick, H.N.L.
Keswick, William Johnston.
Keynes, John Maynard.
Kimberly, Lord.
King, Dr. Alexander.
Kirk, Grayson L.
Kissinger, Henry.
Kitchener, Lord Horatio.
Kohnstamm, Max.
Korsch, Karl.

Lambert, Baron Pierre.
Lawrence, G.
Lazar.
Lehrman, Lewis.
Lever, Sir Harold.
Lewin, Dr. Kurt.
Lippmann, Walter.
Livingstone, Robert R. Family Designate.
Lockhart, Bruce.
Lockhart, Gordon.
Linowitz, S.
Loudon, Sir John.
Luzzatto, Pieipaolo.

Mackay, Lord, of Clasfern.
Mackay-Tallack, Sir Hugh.
Mackinder, Halford.
MacMillan, Harold.
Matheson, Jardine.
Mazzini, Gueseppi.
McClaughlin, W. E.
McCloy, John J.
McFadyean, Sir Andrew.
McGhee, George.
McMillan, Harold.
Mellon, Andrew.
Mellon, William Larimer or Family Designate.
Meyer, Frank.
Michener, Roland.
Mikovan, Anastas.
Milner, Lord Alfred.
Mitterand, Francois.
Monett, Jean.
Montague, Samuel.
Montefiore, Lord Sebag or Bishop Hugh.
Morgan, John P.
Mott, Stewart.
Mountain, Sir Brian Edward.
Mountain, Sir Dennis.
Mountbatten, Lord Louis.
Munthe, A., or family designate.

Naisbitt, John.
Neeman, Yuval.
Newbigging, David.
Nicols, Lord Nicholas of Bethal.
Norman, Montague.

O’Brien of Lotherby, Lord.
Ogilvie, Angus.
Okita, Saburo.
Oldfield, Sir Morris.
Oppenheimer, Sir Earnest, and successor, Harry.
Ormsby Gore, David (Lord Harlech).
Orsini, Franco Bonacassi.
Ortolani. Umberto.
Ostiguy, J.P.W.

Paley, William S.
Pallavacini.
Palme, Olaf.
Palmerston.
Palmstierna, Jacob.
Pao, Y.K.
Pease, Richard T.
Peccei, Aurellio.
Peek, Sir Edmund.
Pellegreno, Michael, Cardinal.
Perkins, Nelson.
Pestel, Eduard.
Peterson, Rudolph.
Petterson, Peter G.
Petty, John R.
Philip, Prince, Duke of Edinburgh.
Piercy, George.
Pinchott, Gifford.
Pratt, Charles.
Price Waterhouse, Designate.

Radziwall.
Ranier, Prince.
Raskob, John Jacob.
Recanati.
Rees, John Rawlings.
Rees, John.
Rennie, Sir John.
Rettinger, Joseph.
Rhodes, Cecil John.
Rockefeller, David.
Role, Lord Eric of Ipsden.
Rosenthal, Morton.
Rostow, Eugene.
Rothmere, Lord.
Rothschild Elie de or Edmon de and/or Baron RothschiLd Runcie, Dr.Robert.
Russell, Lord John.
Russell, Sir Bertrand.

Saint Gouers, Jean.
Salisbury, Marquisse de Robert Gascoiugne Cecil. Shelburne, The Salisbury, Lord.
Samuel, Sir Marcus.
Sandberg, M. G.
Sarnoff, Robert.
Schmidheiny, Stephan or alternate brothers Thomas, Alexander.
Schoenberg, Andrew.
Schroeder.
Schultz, George.
Schwartzenburg, E.
Shawcross, Sir Hartley.
Sheridan, Walter.
Shiloach, Rubin.
Silitoe, Sir Percy.
Simon, William.
Sloan, Alfred P.
Smuts, Jan.
Spelman.
Sproull, Robert.
Stals, Dr. C.
Stamp, Lord Family designate.
Steel, David.
Stiger, George.
Strathmore, Lord.
Strong, Sir Kenneth.
Strong, Maurice.
Sutherland.
Swathling, Lord.
Swire, J. K.

Tasse, G. Or Family Designate.
Temple, Sir R.
Thompson, William Boyce.
Thompson, Lord.
Thyssen-Bornamisza, Baron Hans Henrich.
Trevelyn, Lord Humphrey.
Turner, Sir Mark.
Turner, Ted.
Tyron, Lord.

Urquidi, Victor.

Van Den Broek, H.
Vanderbilt.
Vance, Cyrus.
Verity, William C.
Vesty, Lord Amuel.
Vickers, Sir Geoffrey.
Villiers, Gerald Hyde family alternate.
Volpi, Count. von Finck, Baron August. von Hapsburg, Archduke Otto, House of Hapsburg-Lorraine. Von Thurn and Taxis, Max.

Wallenberg, Peter or Family Designate.
Wang, Kwan Cheng, Dr.
Warburg, S. C.
Ward Jackson, Lady Barbara.
Warner, Rawleigh.
Warnke, Paul.
Warren, Earl.
Watson, Thomas.
Webb, Sydney.
Weill, David.
Weill, Dr. Andrew.
Weinberger, Sir Caspar.
Weizman, Chaim.
Wells, H. G.
Wheetman, Pearson (Lord Cowdray).
White, Sir Dick Goldsmith.
Whitney, Straight.
Wiseman, Sir William.
Wittelsbach.
Wolfson, Sir Isaac.
Wood, Charles.

Young, Owen.

Other than these fellows, its the people who control through the proper arm of government:lol

[ShotgunDMB]

You should have listened to that nut job..Ron Paul.:thumbsup

Jim Demint > Ron Paul.

[seekupchuck]

Way too early to know what has worked and what hasn't. The bill passed on Friday. I know you're rooting for the of civilization, so your patience is thin, but that's what people need when $700B is getting shelled out - patience.

It doesn't help having people like Jim Cramer on TV screaming that the market will crash 20% and for everyone to take 5 years worth of their funds out of the market.


You mean $1.35 tril, dont forget the defense package that skated bye last week.

[TwoStep2888]

Other than these fellows, its the people who control through the proper arm of government:lol

I stopped reading once the weird font and size tags kicked in, but who the fuck are all of these people?

[seekupchuck]

Some fun organizations....remember, research all! we dont want you speaking on something when you arent well rounded, would we?

Americans for a Safe Israel.
Biblical Archaeology Review.
Bilderbergers.
British Petroleum.
Canadian Institute of Foreign Relations.
Christian Fundamentalism.
Council on Foreign Relations, New York.
Egyptian Exploration Society.
Imperial Chemical Industries.
International Institute for Strategic Studies.
Order of Skull and Bones.
Palestine Exploration Fund.
Poor Knights of the Templars
Royal Dutch Shell Company.
Socialist International.
South Africa Foundation.
Tavistock Institute of Human Relations.
Temple Mount Foundation.
The Atheist Club.
The Fourth State of Consciousness Club.
The Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn.
The Milner Group.
The Nasi Princes.
The Order of Magna Mater.
The Order of the Divine Disorder.
The RIIA.
The Round Table.
Trilateral Commission.
Universal Freemasonry.
Universal Zionism.
Vickers Armament Company.
Warren Commission.
Watergate Committee.
Wilton Park.
World Council of Churches.

[seekupchuck]

I stopped reading once the weird font and size tags kicked in, but who the fuck are all of these people?


Elite, luciferian douchbags

[chiznaz]

I stopped reading once the weird font and size tags kicked in, but who the fuck are all of these people?


Apparently people we need to keep an eye on.

[ShotgunDMB]

Barney Frank makes me sick. The guy can't even speak fucking english.

[seekupchuck]

Apparently people we need to keep an eye on.

a lot of them are dead. But he asked for a list of powerful elites who are above traditional government. Thats them.:thumbsup Whether or not you believe them to be evil satanists conducting real life sacrifices, hey, thats up to you;)

[TwoStep2888]

The Atheist Club

I wanna join this right now.

[donnyw]

Apparently people we need to keep an eye on.

I'm keeping my eye on H.G. Wells (on the list). I've always thought he had it out for us.


The Bailout has failed.

It hasn't failed yet.





Now it has.

[Trippin4136]

a lot of them are dead. But he asked for a list of powerful elites who are above traditional government. Thats them.:thumbsup Whether or not you believe them to be evil satanists conducting real life sacrifices, hey, thats up to you;)

I'm quite aware of Bildeberg and their "secret" meetings that has people like you in such fearful fits.

You accuse me of being "blind" to what's "really going on", but when in reality, I just live in the now and what's in front of me.

To me, these conspiracy theories just pray on the weak and fearful. Just take life as it comes and you won't be so engrossed in boogeymen and events that foolishly predict the downfall of society.

[jiggajm18]

I'm quite aware of Bildeberg and their "secret" meetings that has people like you in such fearful fits.

You accuse me of being "blind" to what's "really going on", but when in reality, I just live in the now and what's in front of me.

To me, these conspiracy theories just pray on the weak and fearful. Just take life as it comes and you won't be so engrossed in boogeymen and events that foolishly predict the downfall of society.

:thumbsup

my favorite was when he implied that a reason he thinks the Fed is a conspiracy is because millions of americans don't know that the Fed is independent of the federal government :lol

[seekupchuck]

:thumbsup

my favorite was when he implied that a reason he thinks the Fed is a conspiracy is because millions of americans don't know that the Fed is independent of the federal government :lol


if it isnt shady, why was its inception so secretive and conspired?

^:lolOh, I get it, it is your detachment from the political trappings that allows you such a Carpe Diem existence:lol Take that apathy(though I think you are involved mentally, just in a grand illusion of choice) all the way to the next depression. Then, dont say I didnt warn you.

[seekupchuck]

I wanna join this right now.


are you a 33rd level Mason? youre in!

[jiggajm18]

if it isnt shady, why was its inception so secretive and conspired?

^:lolOh, I get it, it is your detachment from the political trappings that allows you such a Carpe Diem existence:lol Take that apathy(though I think you are involved mentally, just in a grand illusion of choice) all the way to the next depression. Then, dont say I didnt warn you.

well, here we go having the same debate.

i never said the Fed couldn't be a conspiracy. i said, and have continued to say, that the fact that millions of americans don't know that the Fed is indepedent doesn't prove that the Fed is a conspiracy. it proves that millions of americans are either dumb, ignorant, or both.

[seekupchuck]

I'm quite aware of Bildeberg and their "secret" meetings that has people like you in such fearful fits.

You accuse me of being "blind" to what's "really going on", but when in reality, I just live in the now and what's in front of me.

To me, these conspiracy theories just pray on the weak and fearful. Just take life as it comes and you won't be so engrossed in boogeymen and events that foolishly predict the downfall of society.


Why does it bother you so much that some people actually try to dig below the surface for a less obvious truth? My knowledge of the Bilderbergers does not make me fearfull, I feel informed.

What is better about you living "in the now" and taking news from major outlets that are undoubtedly corrupt propaganda machines, then me seeking out and sifting through independent, real journalism to get to a less cheery thruth? Life is not dancing M&M men(dig deeper, actually the biggest slave enterprise on the planet), life is not eating steak and burgers 5 times a week(dig deeper, we could feed the world if we werent such slobs), you cant get high on hemp(dig deeper, it is the most efficient biofuel and marijuana a usefull drug), the toothfairy isnt real(dig deeper, its your Mommy)etc.

So, I disagree with you. I dont think reading about some shady characters and gaining a better understanding of the way the world works is equivilent to me being controlled by boogeymen. Setting aside a thursday evening to watch the Manchurian Candidates debate in between a constant bombardment of billionaires pitching us useless products in shiny packaging, and believing the shit thats being shoveled down my throat...thats being controlled by the boogeymen.

But, you know what they say....ignorance is bliss.

[seekupchuck]

well, here we go having the same debate.

i never said the Fed couldn't be a conspiracy. i said, and have continued to say, that the fact that millions of americans don't know that the Fed is indepedent doesn't prove that the Fed is a conspiracy. it proves that millions of americans are either dumb, ignorant, or both.


alright, I will give you the fact that if more Americans took their education into their own hands, they would be educated about it. Unfortunately, like Charlotte Iserbyt(senior policy advisor-US Dept. of Education under Reagan) said: education is not set up for schooling, it is meant for indoctrination...

so, if that is true, we have to add a third option to your conclusions.

Americans are either dumb, ignorant or misled.

[Trippin4136]

:lol Your accusations of you think I believe are simply hilarious.

I'm not going go into my positions on the media, the world, the government, the monetary system.

I just find it funny that you accuse me of being ignorant just because I don't read your websites. IMO, everything in life is to be taken with a grain of salt and there is always two sides or unknown side to every debate. The world is a brutally imperfect place.

And lastly, it doesn't bother me that you search out such answers, I just find it ridiculous when you try shove it down people's throats and accuse people of being dumb or blind because they don't buy into the notion that 9/11 was backed by our government, or by dark figures in cloaks, or that the economic crisis is planned, or 12/21/2012 or whatever else you believe.

[jiggajm18]

alright, I will give you the fact that if more Americans took their education into their own hands, they would be educated about it. Unfortunately, like Charlotte Iserbyt(senior policy advisor-US Dept. of Education under Reagan) said: education is not set up for schooling, it is meant for indoctrination...

so, if that is true, we have to add a third option to your conclusions.

Americans are either dumb, ignorant or misled.

americans may be misled, but it's each individual's responsibility to judge for themselves the information they are receiving.

i don't know about you, but my high school econ teacher told us about the independence of the Fed. the information is there. the Fed doesn't deny their independence. it's absurd to claim that americans are "misled" because they don't take the time to educate themselves on information that is easily accesible. :lol

if this crisis has taught us one thing, it's that it takes a crisis of this magnitude to wake americans up. :shrug

[seekupchuck]

:lol Your accusations of you think I believe are simply hilarious.

I'm not going go into my positions on the media, the world, the government, the monetary system.

I just find it funny that you accuse me of being ignorant just because I don't read your websites. IMO, everything in life is to be taken with a grain of salt and there is always two sides or unknown side to every debate. The world is a brutally imperfect place.

And lastly, it doesn't bother me that you search out such answers, I just find it ridiculous when you try shove it down people's throats and accuse people of being dumb or blind because they don't buy into the notion that 9/11 was backed by our government, or by dark figures in cloaks, or that the economic crisis is planned, or 12/21/2012 or whatever else you believe.

First off, I dont try and shove it down peoples throats, the 9/11 discussion is just that and in a 9/11 conspiracy thread! What would you like me to discuss? This is a thread titled "we are all going to die!" The fact is, whether you can admit it or not, that you do get angry with me for having an opposing view point. So, dont act like you are some open minded debater on this subject. Go back and read the thread since I started posting in it, among others. I am the one that asked from the beginning to keep it respectfull. It is exactly the opposite, people accuse the people with the less mainstream opinion of being "blind or dumb". I would only suggest this as a rebuttle to an attack.

For the record, I believe in all except the 12/21/2012 scenario.

[seekupchuck]

americans may be misled, but it's each individual's responsibility to judge for themselves the information they are receiving.

i don't know about you, but my high school econ teacher told us about the independence of the Fed. the information is there. the Fed doesn't deny their independence. it's absurd to claim that americans are "misled" because they don't take the time to educate themselves on information that is easily accesible. :lol

if this crisis has taught us one thing, it's that it takes a crisis of this magnitude to wake americans up. :shrug


Is it absurd to gather that they are misled from the statements of Reagan's DOE senior policy advisor? You ignored that.

[Trippin4136]

Actually, I don't get angry at all. Really, I almost feel bad for you.

[jiggajm18]

Is it absurd to gather that they are misled from the statements of Reagan's DOE senior policy advisor? You ignored that.

no i didn't ignore it. i said that it is important for americans to judge for themselves the information that they are receiving. that is why it is important for parents to be involved in their children's lives.

even if the independence of the Fed isn't addressed in schools, just reading the newspaper would show that they're independent. any active american citizen should know that the Fed is independent.

[seekupchuck]

no i didn't ignore it. i said that it is important for americans to judge for themselves the information that they are receiving. that is why it is important for parents to be involved in their children's lives.

even if the independence of the Fed isn't addressed in schools, just reading the newspaper would show that they're independent. any active american citizen should know that the Fed is independent.

You dont think if thats true, it would indicate an intentional miseducation of the public? aside from the FED issue. I mean, she basically spells it out. If the schools are corrupted, what does that truly say about the media or the government or the giant corporations or the courts, etc. I dont like it.

[seekupchuck]

Actually, I don't get angry at all. Really, I almost feel bad for you.

Likewise.:thumbsup

[seekupchuck]

Actually, I don't get angry at all. Really, I almost feel bad for you.


And another thing...at least I am in here arguing about something I believe in, Im not wasting my time trying to convince someone I don't.

[Trippin4136]

Sweet brah :thumbsup

[jiggajm18]

You dont think if thats true, it would indicate an intentional miseducation of the public? aside from the FED issue. I mean, she basically spells it out. If the schools are corrupted, what does that truly say about the media or the government or the giant corporations or the courts, etc. I dont like it.

you bring up a valid point.....except that the media reports about the Fed's independence! :lol

and as i've said multiple times now (and you've refused to acknowledge), it's up to americans as individuals and parents to judge for themselves what information they choose to acccept or reject.

[raid24]

Vote every incumbent OUT! It wont fix everything, but its a start.

[seekupchuck]

you bring up a valid point.....except that the media reports about the Fed's independence! :lol

and as i've said multiple times now (and you've refused to acknowledge), it's up to americans as individuals and parents to judge for themselves what information they choose to acccept or reject.

I said, as you chose to ignore, aside from the FED. And while I agree with the parents responsibility here, they should not fight an uphill battle against the schools, who are in the business of indoctrination. Which you have still failed to acknowledge.

[chiznaz]

I said, as you chose to ignore, aside from the FED. And while I agree with the parents responsibility here, they should not fight an uphill battle against the schools, who are in the business of indoctrination. Which you have still failed to acknowledge.

Sorry man, but schools do indeed talk about the Fed. I learned early on what it was and how it wasn't part of the gov't.

[jiggajm18]

I said, as you chose to ignore, aside from the FED. And while I agree with the parents responsibility here, they should not fight an uphill battle against the schools, who are in the business of indoctrination. Which you have still failed to acknowledge.

yes, i have acknowledged it. and that is why i said that parents need to be involved with their children's lives.

[seekupchuck]

yes, i have acknowledged it. and that is why i said that parents need to be involved with their children's lives.

Do you think it says anything about the intentions and morals of those in charge?

[seekupchuck]

Sorry man, but schools do indeed talk about the Fed. I learned early on what it was and how it wasn't part of the gov't.

I said ASIDE from the FED, I am conceding that schools teach children about the FED.

[donnyw]

Bill Deagle said something would happen today that would trigger the end of the world as we know it. Did I miss something? Or are we conveniently not going to know what the event was until something bad happens, so that people can look back and say it must have all started today because Deagle said it would? Not that I think Deagle's a kook or anything.

[jiggajm18]

Do you think it says anything about the intentions and morals of those in charge?

people will push their own agenda. is that a surprise to you?

[Beefsteak1138]

Bill Deagle said something would happen today that would trigger the end of the world as we know it. Did I miss something? Or are we conveniently not going to know what the event was until something bad happens, so that people can look back and say it must have all started today because Deagle said it would? Not that I think Deagle's a kook or anything.

OJ verdict.

[donnyw]

OJ verdict.

That wasn't today though. He's been saying since April that something terrible would happen on October 7. I'm thinking maybe it's the overreacting thread.

[Beefsteak1138]

That wasn't today though. He's been saying since April that something terrible would happen on October 7. I'm thinking maybe it's the overreacting thread.

Katie's boobs are getting chopped off.

[donnyw]

Katie's boobs are getting chopped off.

Oh shit, you're right. It's the medical-industrial complex that's making her do that, too. All the pieces are falling into place.

[Crazy#41]

VERY INTERESTING!

http://www.city-data.com/forum/politics-other-controversies/287794-please-read-now-sept-2008-economic.html

http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/6904/79555814hg4.png

The stock market tumble has occurred right on time.

The idea of Martial Law was laughed at a few months ago, now it's a bigger possibility as ever; For we all seen the www.armytimes.com post.

Those "camps", even though they are brand new and have revolving doors and spiked walls; They must be for "terrorists".

Just thought it was an interesting post for back in MARCH!

[donnyw]

VERY INTERESTING!

http://www.city-data.com/forum/politics-other-controversies/287794-please-read-now-sept-2008-economic.html

http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/6904/79555814hg4.png

The stock market tumble has occurred right on time.

Occurred right on time? For what? Stock market drops hardly equal a complete crash of the economy

The idea of Martial Law was laughed at a few months ago, now it's a bigger possibility as ever; For we all seen the www.armytimes.com post.

Actually, I'm still laughing.

Those "camps", even though they are brand new and have revolving doors and spiked walls; They must be for "terrorists".

I'm curious as to where these 1,000 above ground prison camps are (and where did your details come from?). Seems like that would kind of hard to hide. Unless they are masquerading as Starbucks outlets.

Just thought it was an interesting post for back in MARCH!

Interesting post, indeed, although I fail to see what the timing has to do with it. Hysterical thread that follows it as well.

[donnyw]

Concentration camps:
http://www.libertyforlife.com/jail-police/us-concentration_camp-locations.htm
"Virtually all military reservations, posts, bases, stations, & depots can be considered highly suspect (because it is "federal" land). Also fitting this category are "Regional Airports" and "International Airports" which also fall under federal jurisdiction and have limited-access areas. Mental hospitals, closed hospitals & nursing homes, closed military bases, wildlife refuges, state prisons, toxic waste dumps, hotels and other areas all have varying degrees of potential for being a detention camp area."

There's a senior center next door to my apartment complex. I bet it's a concentration camp. I'm starting surveillance.

[seekupchuck]

people will push their own agenda. is that a surprise to you?

not at all. one more question for ya then...do you believe the agenda to be righteous or driven by power and greed?

[donnyw]

Not sure which agenda you were talking about, but I'll jump in. One agenda (the gov't, military, etc.) can be seen as being driven by power and greed. The other (conspiracy theories) can be seen as being driven by a desire to find deeper meaning in a world in which we have become more isolated and where our lives are often shaped by events that are out of our control.

[seekupchuck]

That wasn't today though. He's been saying since April that something terrible would happen on October 7. I'm thinking maybe it's the overreacting thread.


Deagle said that the foundation would be laid today if the event didnt happen. There are some things that happened today that may be underlying factors for the bottom to fall out. IMO

[seekupchuck]

[quote=Crazy#41;8315113]VERY INTERESTING!

http://www.city-data.com/forum/politics-other-controversies/287794-please-read-now-sept-2008-economic.html

http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/6904/79555814hg4.png

The stock market tumble has occurred right on time.

The idea of Martial Law was laughed at a few months ago, now it's a bigger possibility as ever; For we all seen the www.armytimes.com (http://www.armytimes.com) post.

Those "camps", even though they are brand new and have revolving doors and spiked walls; They must be for "terrorists".


An interview with Al Cuppet, is he credible enough for you guys?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Cuppett

http://www.alcuppett.com/


http://arcticbeacon.com/sound_tidbits/Cuppett/

http://groups.msn.com/ENDTIMEWARRIORS/alcuppettsrintelligenceofficer.msnw


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1718760354430185230

[Crazy#41]

Occurred right on time? For what? Stock market drops hardly equal a complete crash of the economy



He say it will fall mid september.. it didn't?

He said Crash in Feb 09.

[donnyw]

I don't have time right now to look at the Al Cuppett stuff, although I find this all to be pretty interesting (from an anthropological pov)...but..."mobile cremation vans" roaming the country looking for people on the secret lists? Really?

[donnyw]

He say it will fall mid september.. it didn't?

He said Crash in Feb 09.

No, he said complete economic crash in mid-Sept (oops). Complete governmental collapse next February (I'm not holding my breath).

"He told me that there is an actual plan as to when the economy will completely crash. As of right now he said it will happen in the middle of sept of this year. Also he said that our Government will crash in Feb of 2009."

Incredibly, that's the least kooky part of his message.

[ShotgunDMB]

Odds that the media will transition from "Things are horrible/worse than the great depression" to "Things are looking up/utopian society within reach" once B. Hussein Obama wins the election?

[chiznaz]

Odds that the media will transition from "Things are horrible/worse than the great depression" to "Things are looking up/utopian society within reach" once B. Hussein Obama wins the election?


If that's what it takes to get us back, I'm down for it:eek

[donnyw]

Odds that the media will transition from "Things are horrible/worse than the great depression" to "Things are looking up/utopian society within reach" once B. Hussein Obama wins the election?

Are you kidding? Heaven's light will shine down upon us when Obama is elected. The economy won't even matter anymore. We will all be saved.

[ShotgunDMB]

Are you kidding? Heaven's light will shine down upon us when Obama is elected. The economy won't even matter anymore. We will all be saved.

Praiiiiseeee Jeeeezus! Brother Obama gonna save us all! Halleluah!

[ShotgunDMB]

Concentration camps:
http://www.libertyforlife.com/jail-police/us-concentration_camp-locations.htm
"Virtually all military reservations, posts, bases, stations, & depots can be considered highly suspect (because it is "federal" land). Also fitting this category are "Regional Airports" and "International Airports" which also fall under federal jurisdiction and have limited-access areas. Mental hospitals, closed hospitals & nursing homes, closed military bases, wildlife refuges, state prisons, toxic waste dumps, hotels and other areas all have varying degrees of potential for being a detention camp area."

There's a senior center next door to my apartment complex. I bet it's a concentration camp. I'm starting surveillance.

Lolzzzz

[seekupchuck]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081007/ap_on_bi_ge/meltdown_retirement

[Crazy#41]

^^

Made a thread about it. No one cares..

[donnyw]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081007/ap_on_bi_ge/meltdown_retirement

^^

Made a thread about it. No one cares..

When retirement funds are invested in the stock market and the stock market goes down, so do retirement funds. It ain't rocket science. And it doesn't really have an effect on anyone who isn't near retirement age and isn't planning on using their retirement funds for other purposes. $2 trillion is a pretty number for the media to splash in the headlines, though.

[seekupchuck]

From the Global financial meltdown (http://edition.cnn.com/2008/BUSINESS/10/06/stock.markets/index.html) to the visions of doom from Bill Deagle (http://projectavalon.net/bill_deagle_4_oct_2008.mp3) to be kicked of by some major event occuring on Oct 7th, to the MASSIVE war games starting OCT 6th (http://www.mod.uk/DefenceInternet/DefenceNews/TrainingAndAdventure/ScotlandPreparesForJointWarrior.htm) involving the UK and 8 other nations, at the same time that Russia is holding it's own live missile fire air exercise (http://www.debka.com/article.php?aid=1360) near alaska, also Russia and Venezula teaming up together. Harsh words for Iran from Olmert. Rumoured alien VISIT on OCT 14 (http://www.webcamufo.com/), http://www.blossomgoodchild.com/, US TROOPS on active duty within the united states from OCT 1st (http://www.armytimes.com/news/2008/09/army_homeland_090708w/)..


Something odd is happening..

I think this week, most likley before Wed, will be an extraordinary stir of events.


http://www.urbansurvival.com/week.htm

The predicted oct 7th event being described as beginning of global financial meltdown. I would think they pretty much got it right, now that all central banks are now taking the lead of the U.S. FED and pumping FIAT money into the systems around the world.

Why would the central banks around the world watch what has happened here, and follow our example to fix their problems?

[Trippin4136]

Actually the central banks in China and Europe and Britain all cut rates before we did.

[seekupchuck]

Actually the central banks in China and Europe and Britain all cut rates before we did.

HAve we not lead the way in this type of practice as a strategy of stimulation? I am not talking about who was first with the rate cuts in the last day or so.

[Trippin4136]

Banks cutting interest rates is not an solely an American business practice that other countries simply mimic. It's a fairly "routine" M.O. in the banking industry no matter where you are.

So no, I don't believe it's a strategy that the U.S. simply puts out as a model for other central banks to copy.

[seekupchuck]

Banks cutting interest rates is not an solely an American business practice that other countries simply mimic. It's a fairly "routine" M.O. in the banking industry no matter where you are.

So no, I don't believe it's a strategy that the U.S. simply puts out as a model for other central banks to copy.


Are you gonna honestly say that we arent the gold standard for FIAT currency?

[Crazy#41]

http://www.urbansurvival.com/week.htm

The predicted oct 7th event being described as beginning of global financial meltdown. I would think they pretty much got it right, now that all central banks are now taking the lead of the U.S. FED and pumping FIAT money into the systems around the world.

Why would the central banks around the world watch what has happened here, and follow our example to fix their problems?

Something big was suppose to happen yesterday, 7th...

People say fuck all happened, but:

-asteroid penetrates earth's atmosphere
-iceland's bank freeze causing "dire" circumstances said by their newspapers (most likely the emotional release imo)
-dow and nasdaq dip large, s&p lowest since 1935
- germany tries to amend laws to mobilize troops within country
- uk announces recession with overnight plans to be announced before their market opens
-pakistan claims potentiality to be bankrupt (they could sell nukes to Iran to get out of their economic problems
-asian markets are currently dumping big


yeah...typical day around the globe.

Timewave Zero graphed this very day back in the early 90's for a sharp turn in emotion. What is the likelyhood that a graph would pick this day, let alone this week for big change oer 18 years ago?

Odd?
Nah.. just a coincidential conspiracy

:rolleyes

[chiznaz]

Yall are really stretching for something extraordinary happening yesterday

[donnyw]

Something extraordinary had to have happened. Bill Deagle said it would.

[seekupchuck]

Something big was suppose to happen yesterday, 7th...

People say fuck all happened, but:

-asteroid penetrates earth's atmosphere
-iceland's bank freeze causing "dire" circumstances said by their newspapers (most likely the emotional release imo)
-dow and nasdaq dip large, s&p lowest since 1935
- germany tries to amend laws to mobilize troops within country
- uk announces recession with overnight plans to be announced before their market opens
-pakistan claims potentiality to be bankrupt (they could sell nukes to Iran to get out of their economic problems
-asian markets are currently dumping big


yeah...typical day around the globe.

Timewave Zero graphed this very day back in the early 90's for a sharp turn in emotion. What is the likelyhood that a graph would pick this day, let alone this week for big change oer 18 years ago?

Odd?
Nah.. just a coincidential conspiracy

:rolleyes


Do you have a link for this?

[donnyw]

The Timewave Zero guy, Terrence McKenna, says, "The rise and fall of hemlines is tied to the rise and fall of empires." Why do these people always sound like nutjobs?