Alt.Binaries.Music.SHN.DMB - Quick Start (X-News)

[Billie'sTV]

If you have RoadRunner, Optimum Online, Cox, or another ISP that offers a free News-Server this is definitely worth checking out. (There are a number of servers for various ISPs listed below now)

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Here's a quick lesson on how to use Alt.Binaries.Music.SHN.DMB to download the DMB SHNs at blazing speeds.

I'm writing this specifically for Optimum Online and Road Runner users because those are the two ISPs that I have the most experience with - and I know they both carry the DMB SHN group on their server.

If other users have experience w/ other ISPs, or premium servers - please add any comments.

Anyway, if you have OOL or RR, follow these instructions:

1) Download X-News - http://xnews.newsguy.com/ - There are a number of news-reader programs you could use, but I prefer X-News. It's free, and fairly simple to use.

2) Find out your News-Server Address. I'm fairly sure Optimum online only has one, which is: news.optonline.net . Road Runner has different servers per region, so you'll have to goto http://www.help.rr.com and find your News-server address listed somewhere(on my page there's a link for "server addresses" on the right). It should look something like news-server.swfla.rr.com.

3) Unzip X-News, and open it. It'll prompt you for your server address and an alias. Use any alias and plug in the address from "2". Then it should ask you to retrieve a list of available groups - pick Yes.

4) After it downloads the list of 30,000 or so Newsgroups the server carries, type "DMB" in the white box on the bottom. This will reduce the list of groups to: Alt.binaries.music.shn.dmb

5) Right Click on: Alt.binaries.Music.SHN.DMB and pick subscribe. Then just click the group, and it should start loading all of the available "message headers" into the main window.

6) After that completes you'll want to click on the "T" button on the bottom of the screen(it should be "depressed"). This threads all of the parts of a file into one header, making it MUCH easier to download. Basically when a SHN is posted to usenet it's uploaded as a series of message (1/130, 2/130, 3/130, etc), Threading them will tell XNews to show one header per file.

7) If you've gotten this far, you should see a bunch of SHNs listed. I usually click the "date" bar above the headers to organize the messages by date. (4-05-2002 Bastable is the most recent on my server).

8) Now, to download - Queue files with Right Click/Queue (or you can just highlight the message and pick spacebar). You'll know a file is queued when you see a number after it (the number just indicates the total number of parts queued).

9) After you've queued what you want, click F4 and tell it where to download to. It's that simple, and the rates for OOL and RR users should be at _least_ 100kb/s. I often get 250kb/s off my RR server.

10) Other things:

- F5 reloads the headers (Checks for more messages)
- Files DO expire, so dl older posts first. Typical retention for RR/OOl is about 2-3 days.
- A complete green cube next to a file listing indicates that the file is complete on your sever. Occationally a server may drop a part or two, in which case you'll have to ask for a fill or repost.
-If you decide you want to post shows to the newsgroup, you'll simply need to download another program called Power Post yEnc. This program is posted to the newsgroup fairly often, and is very simply to use.

That's all I can think of - and I really hope some of you check it out. It's an amazing resource for those who can use it.

Good luck.

-Jay[BTV]
http://www.dmbshnhavenii.net


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Extra Help:

Thanks to Pin87a for the JPG / following explaination.

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/billietelevision2/dmbshn.jpg

If the posts are not combined into single files, click the "T" (circled in the picture) to combine them.

Then queue them up by clicking where the arrow in the picture is pointing to. (for each file)

Then click the combine/decode button (also circled) to download the files.

Notice the icon to the left of the headers are all "complete cubes" - don't download posts that are still arriving on your server, or ones that are incomplete.

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Other Programs you could use to download from the Newsgroup:
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Grabit: http://www.shemes.com/grabit/ (Aparently really easy to use, and allows multiple files to be downloaded at the same time. This is particularly good for users capped per connection)

NewsBin Pro: http://www.newsbin.com/ (This is a commercial program. It's big advantage is that it can be setup to use multiple servers to complete posts)...

For Macs:
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Try Hogwasher. There are probably other (possibly free) programs out there, but I'm not on a Mac so I don't know. This program will handle the new yEnc encoding method, and does have a 60-day trial:

http://www.macnn.com/news.php?id=15058

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Decent Pay Servers (if your ISP doesn't offer a free one)
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www.giganews.com - Probably the best in completion/Retention/Speed, but it is a bit expensive (10 bucks gets you 6-9gigs of dls)

Consult http://www.usenet-provider.com/ for reviews on others. There are some really _bad_ ones out there, so make sure you ask around.

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Extra Info
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Videos(RARs):

Often Videos are posted in RAR format. This is mainly to divide huge files up into parts - allowing for easier reposts/fills. Sometimes the Archives are self-extracting (the first file will be an EXE that will extract the rest) other times they're not. If they're not self-extracting you'll need WinRAR (www.rarlabs.com) in order to extract the MPG from them.

Basically to get the MPG, you'll download all of the RARs of the set, and then extract with WinRAR, or run the EXE.


PAR Files:

Par files are corrective files. Often posters who post equal sized RAR sets will post an additional set of PAR files to account for missing or incompletes that may occur on your server. The .PAR is essentially the same as an MD5 file. The .P01, .P02, .P03 (etc) files are data sets that are slightly larger than each RAR part in the original set. Using a program such as SmarPar or FSRaid (both are posted to the newsgroup from time to time) you can check the set, and also fix/recreate 1 RAR for each .P0# file you have downloaded. So, for example, say you're downloading a video that has 10 RAR parts, but one is incomplete on your server. Rather than requesting a respost/fill, you could just download one of the P0# files (they're universal), and use SmartPar or FSRaid to recover the missing part. NOTE: If all of the RARs of a set reach your server complete there is no need to download the Parity(PAR) files.

(You can download Smartpar, and also read more about PAR files here: http://www.smr-usenet.com/tutor/smartpar.shtml)


Posting Shows (Don't - unless you know what you're doing)
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First off it's important to note that you shouldn't feel obligated to post something. Downloading shows from the Newsgroup doesn't affect other users, so don't feel as though you HAVE to upload. That being said, if you have good shows (Original Taper SHN Conversions) people will definitely appreciate a post. Otherwise a great way to contribute is to help with reposts of tracks that others request. Sometimes a track may make it fine to your server, but be incomplete on other ISPs/server. So helping those people out by reposting the track again is a great way to support the functionality of the Newsgroup.

To post shows I recommend using Power Post yEnc (PostMost.exe). You can download it using this link: http://www.dmbshnhavenii.net/downloads/postmost.exe .

PowerPost is really simple to use, basically you just queue and post. It's recommended you set the "lines" setting to 3250 in setup. That's the one option you should adjust. To queue shows, just right click and pick Add files to Queue. If you're queuing a whole disc, you can click the "view menu"(Right of Create New Folder) on the Open Files window, and then tell windows to list the files (Details). When they're listed vertically, you can just hold the mouse button and highlight the first disc - queueing them all at once(This will also take advantage of the header's $1 and $2 variables).

**It's recommended that you try a test post to Alt.binaries.test to see how your post will look.

Posting Segment Fills: If you find people request fills for segments that don't reach their server - you can fill them. All you do, is right click on the file that's listed as completed in PowerPost. Pick ReQueue Selected file. Then right click it again, and pick Task Properties. In there you'll see a check boxs for each segment that made up that file when it was posted. Basically just check the ones that were missing, and when click the post button. That'll resend those parts and they should "Fill" the incomplete when they reach the other persons server. The key is to NOT change the header when post fills. This is a good reason why you should wait a while before your delete your transfer history in PowerPost(if ever).

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Some servers for various ISPs that were compiled (incomplete so check your ISPs homepage):


Ameritech.net
news.cha.sbcglobal.net - Champaign, IL
news.chi.sbcglobal.net - Chicago, IL
news.blt.sbcglobal.net - Bloomington, IN
news.ind.sbcglobal.net - Indianapollis, IN
news.det.sbcglobal.net - Detroit, MI
news.kal.sbcglobal.net - Kalamazoo, MI
news.col.sbcglobal.net - Columbus, OH
news.peo.sbcglobal.net - Peoria, IL
news.sbn.sbcglobal.net - South Bend, IN
news.sgn.sbcglobal.net - Saginaw, MI
news.akr.sbcglobal.net - Akron, OH
news.cle.sbcglobal.net - Cleveland, OH
news.day.sbcglobal.net - Dayton, OH


attbi.com
netnews.attbi.com


cox.nets
news.east.cox.net
news.west.cox.net
news.central.cox.net


insightbb
netnews.insightbb.com


Optimum Online
news.optonline.net


RoadRunner
news-server.swfla.rr.com - SW Florida
news-server.cfl.rr.com - Central Florida
news-server.nc.rr.com - North Carolina
news-server.sc.rr.com - South Carolina
news-server.mn.rr.com - Minnesota
news-server.wi.rr.com - Wisconsin
news-server.cinci.rr.com - Cincinatti, OH
news-server.stny.rr.com
news-server.twcny.rr.com
news-server.insight.rr.com

Sympatico
news1.on.sympatico.ca - Ontario, Canada
news1.qc.sympatico.ca - Quebec, Canada

[Mike]

BTW...thanks for all the posts on the ng. I have filled up 3 of my 4 hard drives pretty quick because of the newsgroups......

Mike

[rhuss]

i agree with M:D M:D

i've filled up many cd's with the shn's that are posted!!! i don't have the luxury like Momo does of having multiple large hard drives (wow that sounded bad)....

now with even more people there and posting (ChristieDMB!!!!) a lot more shows are being spread and for many people to download since there is no server to login to and speeds (at least for me) rock!!!!

thanks Dems, Jay, JWolf and everyone else who posts and uses the newsgroups!!

also alt.binaries.music.shn is a good group too. i've gotten a bunch of bonnaroo there thanks to boogie and have been turned on to more than just live DMB :bounce

*edit* as Jay pointed out one piece of software to use. I use GrabIt and have created a pretty short tutorial for it if anyone wants it please email me. Grabit can only download from the newsgroups and not post, so I aslo use Free Agent to post messages to the newsgroup.

[davematt56]

i can not get the list of servers to load. please help!! my aim is faithintheson

[rhuss]

some more info might help.

what program? any errors? etc.

[Joe M.]

hey guys... just wanted to know if there was a way to add the group to the news server without like callin up my ISP... i know originaly they send out the initial request when i new group is formed... but is there any way for me to add it on? or do i have to call and see if they will add it?

[rhuss]

nope sorry you have to call your ISP, you might want to talk to someone of a more techy background ...

:multi

[Joe M.]

Originally posted by rhuss
nope sorry you have to call your ISP, you might want to talk to someone of a more techy background ...

:multi

what do i ask them to add???

just say alt.binaries.music.shn.dmb ?

[eelall]

I do believe that is all you need :)

[Joe M.]

well in case anyone cares.....

i called... and they said they will send it off to see if it would be added... cause they do it through a third party... but they guy was nice enough to tell me that the more people that call the faster that it will get pushed down the line and get put on the newsgroup...

so if anyone here uses wideopenwest... please help out...

heres the phone number : 1-866-496-9669
and ask them to add alt.binaries.music.shn.dmb

[Billie'sTV]

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[mischievousgrin]

I spent about a half hour d/ling and setting up and glad as hell that I did. You don't exactly have your pick of shows, but shit, they're just sitting there waiting for you to download them. I did'nt get breakneck speeds either (30-100 K, who can complain), but you don't have to try endlessly to get in and you don't get disconnected. I picked up the 7/5 show the other day jsut as it was starting to get around. Thanks Billie's TV !:D :cool:

[marathon18586]

Can anyone in here help me out and inform me whether or not my isp, Ameritech, will let me use newgroups like Alt.Binaries.Music.SHN.DMB? I'm not a very techy type person and don't really know how to go about finding out. Thanks so much.

michael

[mischievousgrin]

I just found my providers news server and looked to see if they had it. They did...
Give it a try.
Go to your ISP's web site and search for "news groups" and see if you can find an address, then jsut plug it in to xnews and see what comes up.

[awgolk]

David Gray -

Have you heard anything back from WOW on if they are going to add it???

I called a well last week and still waiting a response.

[rhuss]

FYI - there are all sorts of summer 2002 being posted ... get'em while the gettin's good. i would say at least 3-4 new shows being posted last night & today

:bounce

mischievousgrin - those are your speeds for the newsgroups?? hmmm guess thats not bad. i usually get anywhere from 200kbps - 300kbps.

[Joe M.]

Originally posted by awgolk
David Gray -

Have you heard anything back from WOW on if they are going to add it???

I called a well last week and still waiting a response.

no i am going to start calling everyday now... i keep an eye on the list and keep regetting it to see if its been added but nothing yet... are you on WOW too? if so cool cause i will keep ya posted on it...

[mischievousgrin]

200-300K huh? That's awesome.
The best I've had was 105K and that didn't last very long. My ISP is MediaCOM and they routinely overstate their performance but I'm not complaining. I'll take 20K anyday when it's a sure thing.
Good luck to those of you trying to add it to your ISP's list, it's a great way to get shows.
Many thanks to those who post the shows.

[rhuss]

Originally posted by mischievousgrin
200-300K huh?

yup and i love it!!!

make sure you are on the newgroups today and maybe tomorrow cause when i checked this morning the summer 2002 was flowing!!!

its definatly a great resource and there are a ton of great people posting older and new shows. my collection has definatly grown a lot since using the newsgroups, especially with the speed.

:goat <---- is this really a pic of a goat?? does it look like a goat to everyone else?

[rockdmb]

how do i exactly know that i have gotten all of the files? can anyone help a newb?

AIM - ajrockdmb2001

[dmband_fan1]

Originally posted by rhuss


yup and i love it!!!

make sure you are on the newgroups today and maybe tomorrow cause when i checked this morning the summer 2002 was flowing!!!

its definatly a great resource and there are a ton of great people posting older and new shows. my collection has definatly grown a lot since using the newsgroups, especially with the speed.

:goat <---- is this really a pic of a goat?? does it look like a goat to everyone else?

it is fenton the goat before he dyed his coat and this is him after :ggoat

[rhuss]

Originally posted by rockdmb
how do i exactly know that i have gotten all of the files? can anyone help a newb?

AIM - ajrockdmb2001

run the md5's for the discs. it will tell you if you are missing some or if some do not verify

[rhuss]

Originally posted by dmband_fan1


it is fenton the goat before he dyed his coat and this is him after :ggoat

must be an inside thing :D

[JWolf]

I did post a control mesage for alt.binaries.music.shn.dmb.repost so check for that. Also I posted another control message for alt.binaries.music.shn.dmb in hopes that the servers that don't have it get it.

Jon

[bmhlax3]

Is there any way you can get older shows from alt.binaries.music.shn.dmb or is it just the ones that are shown. (not complaining, just wonderin)

[rhuss]

just the ones that are posted, but people do post older shows.

[bmhlax3]

I can only seem to get single files, how do you get the whole shows?

[rhuss]

single files are posted, but you should see whole shows.

i.e.

dmb2002-07-06d1t01.shn
dmb2002-07-06d1t02.shn
dmb2002-07-06d1t03.shn
etc

[bmhlax3]

Everytime I close it, when I open it back up I cant see the same files, it says "no new articles". How do I get them all to show up?

[ibanezcollector]

Originally posted by bmhlax3
Everytime I close it, when I open it back up I cant see the same files, it says "no new articles". How do I get them all to show up?

wondering the same thing

[rhuss]

Originally posted by bmhlax3
Everytime I close it, when I open it back up I cant see the same files, it says "no new articles". How do I get them all to show up?

you have to refresh the group.

what sotware are you using?

[ibanezcollector]

xnews

I hit refresh it does nothing...

[cwillsjr]

does anybody know if you can do this with Comcast Athome?

That's my ISP and I'm hesitant to try...

[TripDXPJ]

okay ive got a quick question here about decoding/saving files

in my directory that i chose to decode/save(whats the diff???) these files ive got the following

dmb2002-07-12d1.md5
dmb2002-07-12d1t01.shn 625kb
dmb2002-07-12d1t01_0.shn 10.9mb
dmb2002-07-12d1t02.shn 11.5mb
dmb2002-07-12d1t02_0.shn 24.6mb

and so on....whats wrong with that?
its only half downloaded???
im kinda new with shns in general and really new with this newsgroup thing. :confused:

thanks for your help.

p.s. the md5 passed two files that didnt have the
dmband2002-07-12-d1t0#_0.shn. that being that they didnt have the last _0.

[bmhlax3]

Originally posted by rhuss


you have to refresh the group.

what sotware are you using?

I refreshed and it says no new articles...at this point theres about 20 articles on the screen

Xnews

[TripDXPJ]

another dumb question.

should i only check header or header and article under the storage option?

[rhuss]

sorry guys i don't use X-News. try to message billie's tv, he might know. i use grabit. i 'refresh group' and get a ton of new stuff.

tripdxpj - some files are 'yEnc' - encoded so they have to be decoded. not really sure what is happening with your downloads. what software are you using? if its xnews, sorry can't help. try billie's tv

[robekert]

Originally posted by cwillsjr
does anybody know if you can do this with Comcast Athome?

That's my ISP and I'm hesitant to try...

they limit you to 1G of download per month from newsgroups. Most shows are close to 1G in size. So if you figure out all of the particulars, you can only get about a show a month. I hate Comcast.
Rob

[cwillsjr]

I figured as much. dirty filthy bastards.

Thanks though for your help.

[bmhlax3]

I think I've figured out pretty much how to use it...One last question...why are there always some files of a show that are incomplete and will they be completed at some point?

[rhuss]

Originally posted by bmhlax3
I think I've figured out pretty much how to use it...One last question...why are there always some files of a show that are incomplete and will they be completed at some point?

well sometimes some parts don't make it up to certain servers or something happens when the individual is posting. there could be any # of reasons.

fyi - when someone posts the shn is broken up into smaller pieces, parts for ease of posting i guess. so what you are seeing is a part or parts missing.

what i do is refresh every couple of minutes and see if the missing part shows up or if the poster is still going (parts don't always make it in order).

if there still is a part missing you have to request of a repost of that part. what i usually do is put the posters name, the shn, and what part is missing.

i.e.
JWolf --> dmb2002-07-05d1t05.shn missing parts 4, 7 on RoadRunner

or

Attn JWolf --> dmb2002-07-05d1t05.shn missing parts 4, 7 on RoadRunner

then the individual will hopefully repost the part and the shn should be ready to grab.


btw you must have been right in front of me @ Darien, i was in section 505

[bmhlax3]

Thanks a lot.
It was a great show...I'm trying to d/l it right now from alt.... disc 1 tracks 4-7 seem to be incomplete but he might not be done with it yet so I'll just wait on it...

[rhuss]

yeah i noticed 7/20 there this morning.

i am listening to the audio right now and Garrett Bastables tape is awesome!!!

[bmhlax3]

WOW is all I can say...are those tracks complete for you?

[rhuss]

Originally posted by bmhlax3
WOW is all I can say...are those tracks complete for you?

well i am at work so i don't know. but i didn't get the 7/20 from the newsgroups, i got it from somewhere else. i had it burned yesterday.

[bmhlax3]

oh ok...thanks again for all your help

[bmhlax3]

DAMN IT I thought I was all set...hopefully this will be the last question...how do I know what parts I'm missing and how do I add those parts to the file when they are reposted?

[everyday36]

last night when i was downloading the Hartford show i got the first 9 tracks fine, now when i am continuing it..it is only downloading the text files...it isnt "compressing" them or combining them or whatever to the SHN..what's wrong?

[BartenderBrian]

Help please!!! Me no get it!!

Someone IM me at Aberguy52 to help me out!

[dmband_fan1]

Originally posted by bmhlax3
DAMN IT I thought I was all set...hopefully this will be the last question...how do I know what parts I'm missing and how do I add those parts to the file when they are reposted?

check the md5 file and it will say what files are missing. you need to get mkwACT from www.etree.org/mkw.html

[onesweetworld15]

Wow, this thread was extremly, extremly helpful. Thank you so much.

Peace

Michael

[MitchellsDad]

How do I access all this wondefulness if I don't have an ISP? I have a cable modem. I'm not that bright when it comes to newsgroups. Any help would be appreciated.
MitchellsDad

[dmband_fan1]

Originally posted by MitchellsDad
How do I access all this wondefulness if I don't have an ISP? I have a cable modem. I'm not that bright when it comes to newsgroups. Any help would be appreciated.
MitchellsDad

well if you have a cable modem you still have an ISP:) Find out from your ISP what your newsgroup server is and then follow the steps.

[MitchellsDad]

<MitchellsDad quietly zips pants after realizing that his ignorance was showing>
Thanks for the tip. So if Charter Cable is who provides me with my cable modem hook up, then I should check and see if they're on the newsgroup bandwagon? Sounds simple enough.
MitchellsDad

[dmband_fan1]

Originally posted by MitchellsDad
<MitchellsDad quietly zips pants after realizing that his ignorance was showing>
Thanks for the tip. So if Charter Cable is who provides me with my cable modem hook up, then I should check and see if they're on the newsgroup bandwagon? Sounds simple enough.
MitchellsDad


yep and ask them the address of their newsgroup server and hopefully they are subscribed to that newsgroup:)

[Joe M.]

Time for a top. We getting questions again.

[Baubkatt]

I love the news group!!!

[Ethan]

Jay is a solid guy. http://www.anyoneseenthebridge.com/msgboard/images/icons/icon14.gif

[Joe M.]

Originally posted by Ethan
Jay is a solid guy. http://www.anyoneseenthebridge.com/msgboard/images/icons/icon14.gif

agreed.

[supraman]

Originally posted by TripDXPJ
okay ive got a quick question here about decoding/saving files

in my directory that i chose to decode/save(whats the diff???) these files ive got the following

dmb2002-07-12d1.md5
dmb2002-07-12d1t01.shn 625kb
dmb2002-07-12d1t01_0.shn 10.9mb
dmb2002-07-12d1t02.shn 11.5mb
dmb2002-07-12d1t02_0.shn 24.6mb

and so on....whats wrong with that?
its only half downloaded???
im kinda new with shns in general and really new with this newsgroup thing. :confused:

thanks for your help.

p.s. the md5 passed two files that didnt have the
dmband2002-07-12-d1t0#_0.shn. that being that they didnt have the last _0.


it just means xnews does a shitty job of decoding the files. get a real newsreader like newsbin pro and you'll never have that problem

[Tarkus]

I'm new to the newsgroup thing but not to MKWact. The problem I'm having is that I'm only getting 2 or 3 shns from a show post on the newsgroup. I'm using Grabit and its fairly straightforward on how to use it. I've refreshhed several times but don't always get the additional posts with shns to appear. Is this a newsgroup client issue or a problem with my ISP? I'm just wondering if I were to install another client like Xnews (in addition to Grabit), would I pick up the missing posts or do I need to request a repost? Also, how long should I wait before requesting a repost - assuming some electrons are faster than others :-) ? Suggestions? Help?

Thanks in advance.

Ron

[buckydmb]

im tryin to d/l the svcd and everytime i click on a part and hit space and then f4 it asks me where i wasnt to decode the file to, so i tell where, and then it just d/l some 375k file.....anyone know what im doing wrong?

[Billie'sTV]

Originally posted by buckydmb
im tryin to d/l the svcd and everytime i click on a part and hit space and then f4 it asks me where i wasnt to decode the file to, so i tell where, and then it just d/l some 375k file.....anyone know what im doing wrong?

Make sure the "T" on the bottom of the screen is pressed in. Sounds like you're just dling 1 of the parts that makes up the file. If you have the "T" pressed in, XNews should thread the parts into 1 header.

Right click and queue the main headers, and then hit F4 - that should download the entire track(or in this case RAR part).

Typical retention for ISP servers is 2-3 days - so hurry if you want that SVCD :) Although I'm sure it'll be reposted sometime soon since it's spectacular.

[supraman]

you have to select every part from the file bucky. ya know how it'll say for example

8.5.00 Gorge - File 21 of 25 - dmb2000-08-05d3t02mk4.shn (072/121)

well you have to select all 121 files, hit space, then f4

then xnews will decode the file.

select (1/121) hold shift and click (121/121) then space, then f4.

that should work

[Billie'sTV]

Originally posted by supraman
you have to select every part from the file bucky. ya know how it'll say for example

8.5.00 Gorge - File 21 of 25 - dmb2000-08-05d3t02mk4.shn (072/121)

well you have to select all 121 files, hit space, then f4

then xnews will decode the file.

select (1/121) hold shift and click (121/121) then space, then f4.

that should work

Yea, I guess you could do it this way, too....but if you just press the "T" at the bottom it should combine the parts - and only list 1 header per file.

Thanks to Pin87a for the JPG / following explaination.


http://mywebpages.comcast.net/billietelevision/Xnewspic.jpg


If the posts are not combined into single files, click the "T" (circled in the picture) to combine them.

Then queue them up by clicking where the arrow in the picture is pointing to. (for each file)

Then click the combine/decode button (also circled) to download the files.

[supraman]

yeah that works and seems easier than what i was doing
im using newsbin pro v4 now and its so much better

[buckydmb]

hey thanks alot for all the help everyone! i got it:)

[Tarkus]

Originally posted by Tarkus
I'm new to the newsgroup thing but not to MKWact. The problem I'm having is that I'm only getting 2 or 3 shns from a show post on the newsgroup. I'm using Grabit and its fairly straightforward on how to use it. I've refreshhed several times but don't always get the additional posts with shns to appear. Is this a newsgroup client issue or a problem with my ISP? I'm just wondering if I were to install another client like Xnews (in addition to Grabit), would I pick up the missing posts or do I need to request a repost? Also, how long should I wait before requesting a repost - assuming some electrons are faster than others :-) ? Suggestions? Help?

Thanks in advance.

Ron

Help somebody please!!!

Ron

[Billie'sTV]

Originally posted by Tarkus


Help somebody please!!!

Ron

This is a server issue. Redownload/reinstalling XNews, Grabit, or any other news program won't help. Your best bet is to post a request for a repost of the tracks you need.

If you find your server is really bad, you may want to invest 12 bucks in a Giganews account (www.giganews.com) just to grab tracks/files that miss your server for whatever reason. Otherwise you could try Direct Connect....

[tucker]

finally got around to trying this and I must say that it kicks ass!!

thank you so much!

Rick

[Billie'sTV]

New Forum for Alt.binaries.music.shn.dmb:

http://dmbshnhavenii.net/cgi-bin/ib3/ikonboard.cgi?;act=SF;f=6

We're in the process of compiling a list of News-servers for various ISPs.

[ledhead]

anyone ever use outlook express to read newsgroups?

[rhuss]

Originally posted by ledhead
anyone ever use outlook express to read newsgroups?

never used it, but a lot and i mean a lot of people have had problems using it. i highly suggest using something else, xnews, grabit, agent, etc.

you also want something that can decode yEnc files.

[Mike]

Originally posted by ledhead
anyone ever use outlook express to read newsgroups?

outlook express sucks....:)

[rhuss]

Originally posted by momo
outlook express sucks....:)

:haha putting it nicely huh

:bounce

[gbs3769]

Anyone else with RoadRunner having all sorts of issues with missing parts of the shns?

I'm just noticing that with Roadrunner, the parts of the shows aren't staying up there very long.

Anyone else see this too, or is it just me? And is Giganews my only option to get the stuff that my RR account is missing?

- Matt

[rhuss]

Originally posted by gbs3769
Anyone else with RoadRunner having all sorts of issues with missing parts of the shns?

I'm just noticing that with Roadrunner, the parts of the shows aren't staying up there very long.

Anyone else see this too, or is it just me? And is Giganews my only option to get the stuff that my RR account is missing?

- Matt

yup RR has been bad for 2 weeks straight now ... :mad:

[Mike]

Originally posted by rhuss
yup RR has been bad for 2 weeks straight now ... :mad:

yeah...the rr servers have been sucking ass.

[gbs3769]

I just wanted to make sure it wasn't just me....

There has been a lot of good stuff posted that I don't have too.

- Matt

[Firedncin8nancy]

i found my news addy but the problem seems to be that it doesnt list alt.binaries.music.shn.dmb

[Joe M.]

Originally posted by Firedncin8nancy
i found my news addy but the problem seems to be that it doesnt list alt.binaries.music.shn.dmb

keep reading the thread... your going to have to contact your ISP to see if they can add it.

[Eitsirhc]

Originally posted by momo
yeah...the rr servers have been sucking ass.

I haven't been having any problems with mn.rr.com

Have you ever tried connecting to another rr server? I can connect to mn.rr.com and wi.rr.com. Try one of your "neighbor" servers if you're finding incompletes... often times if posts are coming through incomplete I can use the other server to finish 'em up.

And, be sure and open those threads up... if you're only missing a part or two per track, don't be shy about asking for fills! :)

Christie

[rhuss]

Originally posted by Eitsirhc
I haven't been having any problems with mn.rr.com

Have you ever tried connecting to another rr server? I can connect to mn.rr.com and wi.rr.com. Try one of your "neighbor" servers if you're finding incompletes... often times if posts are coming through incomplete I can use the other server to finish 'em up.

And, be sure and open those threads up... if you're only missing a part or two per track, don't be shy about asking for fills! :)

Christie

lmao there are over half the parts missing from 90% of the files from each shn (or whatever else)

already tried the syracuse server and its the same thing ... my guess is they run one main server for our area :(

whats your news server name? its not mn.rr.com .. is it?

[gbs3769]

Originally posted by rhuss
lmao there are over half the parts missing from 90% of the files from each shn (or whatever else)

already tried the syracuse server and its the same thing ... my guess is they run one main server for our area :(

whats your news server name? its not mn.rr.com .. is it?

Yeah, Syracuse server really is bad... I don't know why... Oh wait! It's Syracuse, that's why...


- Matt

[Eitsirhc]

Originally posted by rhuss
whats your news server name? its not mn.rr.com .. is it?

news-server.mn.rr.com or news-server.wi.rr.com

[rhuss]

Originally posted by Eitsirhc
news-server.mn.rr.com or news-server.wi.rr.com

doesn't matter i can't connect to any other news servers than a few RR NY ones and they still all suck :(

[rhuss]

everyone on NY Road Runner lets complain.

send an email or call them and tell them the newsgroups have problems. all the binaries ones.

here's the site. just select your provider and location and then you can email support. be sure to select 'newsgroups' as the category

http://help.rr.com

gbs3769 & momo you guys should do this.

thanks :)

[Billie'sTV]

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[Mike]

:)

[tucker]

gorge night 1 SVCD is up..top....

[AustinAl]

top
just cuz

[deercreek]

If anyone's interested in John Mayer shows, I've recently posted three of them to alt.binaries.music.shn. Well, I've posted two, the third is being posted as I type this. The first two were showing up on Easynews and Verizon this morning. I was hoping to start a trend, but it doesn't look like I have. Hopefully someone will benefit from the posts.

[rhuss]

Originally posted by deercreek
If anyone's interested in John Mayer shows, I've recently posted three of them to alt.binaries.music.shn. Well, I've posted two, the third is being posted as I type this. The first two were showing up on Easynews and Verizon this morning. I was hoping to start a trend, but it doesn't look like I have. Hopefully someone will benefit from the posts.

ah its you posting them. they are all screwed up on road runner. can't remember off hand what parts, etc are missing. but i'd say at least half of 2 shows aren't there.

[deercreek]

Originally posted by rhuss
ah its you posting them. they are all screwed up on road runner. can't remember off hand what parts, etc are missing. but i'd say at least half of 2 shows aren't there.

That sucks. All the parts showed up on Verizon(makes sense since I posted them through there) and on Easynews(makes sense since you have to pay for it ;) ). Should've used my free Easynews trial to upload I guess.

[rhuss]

Originally posted by deercreek
That sucks. All the parts showed up on Verizon(makes sense since I posted them through there) and on Easynews(makes sense since you have to pay for it ;) ). Should've used my free Easynews trial to upload I guess.

are you going to repost some of the shn's?

if not are they on your server somewhere?

-bob-

[Billie'sTV]

Some servers for various ISPs that were compiled (incomplete):


Ameritech.net
news.cha.sbcglobal.net - Champaign, IL
news.chi.sbcglobal.net - Chicago, IL
news.blt.sbcglobal.net - Bloomington, IN
news.ind.sbcglobal.net - Indianapollis, IN
news.det.sbcglobal.net - Detroit, MI
news.kal.sbcglobal.net - Kalamazoo, MI
news.col.sbcglobal.net - Columbus, OH
news.peo.sbcglobal.net - Peoria, IL
news.sbn.sbcglobal.net - South Bend, IN
news.sgn.sbcglobal.net - Saginaw, MI
news.akr.sbcglobal.net - Akron, OH
news.cle.sbcglobal.net - Cleveland, OH
news.day.sbcglobal.net - Dayton, OH


attbi.com
netnews.attbi.com


cox.nets
news.east.cox.net
news.west.cox.net
news.central.cox.net


insightbb
netnews.insightbb.com


Optimum Online
news.optonline.net


RoadRunner
news-server.swfla.rr.com - SW Florida
news-server.cfl.rr.com - Central Florida
news-server.nc.rr.com - North Carolina
news-server.sc.rr.com - South Carolina
news-server.mn.rr.com - Minnesota
news-server.wi.rr.com - Wisconsin
news-server.cinci.rr.com - Cincinatti, OH
news-server.stny.rr.com
news-server.twcny.rr.com
news-server.insight.rr.com

Sympatico
news1.on.sympatico.ca - Ontario, Canada
news1.qc.sympatico.ca - Quebec, Canada

[ajahner]

Every time I log on, I get a list of about 20 single files, all DMB 8-06-2000, all disk 2, track 4. Does anyone know why?? I don't see any full shows.

Thanks, Austin

[Billie'sTV]

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[buzzy]

A few things:

SOFTWARE

- Most first time users will do best with GrabIt (http://www.shemes.com/grabit/) - free, easy to install and use, tutorials at the site too.

- A Billie's TV pointed out, if you use software that establishes multiple connections (downloading multiple files at once), you get faster total download speeds.

- Don't use Outlook Express for binaries groups. Don't use Agent.

SERVERS

- Most all the problems with missing files or parts are due to your news server, unfortunately. You can try refreshing the list (or doing a Full Update in GrabIt) to see if it helps, sometimes stuff takes a while to arrive at your server.

- Sometimes your ISP news server needs a password (Verizon DSL does), sometimes it doesn't (NYC RR doesn't - I guess it knows who's connected). So if your ISP is supposed to have a news server, but you are having trouble connecting - try it with or without.

- You can email your ISP, or send a message via their support page, to ask for a news group to be added. Usually on the ISP customer service page, it describes where to send comments and requests re: the news server.

- As you can see from the lists, there are dozens of RR servers. So don't expect to see the same performance as someone in a different region. Some are good, some are bad.

- Verizon's news servers are surprisingly good, so if you are using Verizon DSL give this a shot.

There's some more info at this AM thread. (http://www.antsmarching.org/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=483159#post483159)

[DMBJER]

has anyone tried this with ADELPHIA in Pennsylvania?? I went to their website, but couldn't find anything about newsgroups. I'm dying to get on this thing. Thanks

[AmyK2402]

I've been trying to figure out the news group thing, but after I get it all loaded, the message of "1101 Host was not found while looking up news.xyz.com". I can't fiugure out what's going on. Any advice???? Thanks!

[rhuss]

Originally posted by AmyK2402
I've been trying to figure out the news group thing, but after I get it all loaded, the message of "1101 Host was not found while looking up news.xyz.com". I can't fiugure out what's going on. Any advice???? Thanks!

you have to set your news server. depending on your ISP, check their page and you should find your news server name.

it should be something likes news-????.com

[gloco]

Just wanted to thank Billie'sTV for writing this tutorial up, i happened to stumble onto a link to this thread via Nancies a few months back and since then have downloaded countless audio, video and hell...porn! Thanks man!

:lol

[twostep2382]

Anybody know if this will work with comcast high speed internet in Fort myers, florida

[gloco]

Originally posted by twostep2382
Anybody know if this will work with comcast high speed internet in Fort myers, florida

Get your news server and give it a whirl.

[seantrantham]

I installed Newsbin Pro, and connected to my news server. I subscribed to alt.binaries.music.shn.dmb, and I see the list of threads. I selected all the threads that make up one show, right clicked on them and chose force download....nothing happened. Then I right clicked and selected download incompletes, and it started, but it failed. I looked at the status of all the threads and they all say incomplete...what should I do?

[Joe M.]

Originally posted by seantrantham
I installed Newsbin Pro, and connected to my news server. I subscribed to alt.binaries.music.shn.dmb, and I see the list of threads. I selected all the threads that make up one show, right clicked on them and chose force download....nothing happened. Then I right clicked and selected download incompletes, and it started, but it failed. I looked at the status of all the threads and they all say incomplete...what should I do?

Complain to your ISP. (though it probably won't help). Your ISP's news server blows and there's nothing you can do about it. (Let me guess AT&T/SBC?)

[rhuss]

Originally posted by seantrantham
I installed Newsbin Pro, and connected to my news server. I subscribed to alt.binaries.music.shn.dmb, and I see the list of threads. I selected all the threads that make up one show, right clicked on them and chose force download....nothing happened. Then I right clicked and selected download incompletes, and it started, but it failed. I looked at the status of all the threads and they all say incomplete...what should I do?

not sure what it is in newsbin, but try and do an update of the group. you know, refresh the listing. you might have picked up old posts or something.

make sure you are doing everything correctly before complaining. i know my server isn't the greatest and sometime there are just bad days/times when nothing comes through fully.

[dodgeboy]

O.K...a few questions re Billie's 5-16-02 dvd D/L.
I got the giganews...I got the xnews reader...I got the winrar...I got 5 plus gigs of files that look like book stacks...part1 part2 ect...and some that look like xl files..part1po1 part1po2 ect...
How do I know if I have everything I need to now burn this dvd???
If I do have it all ...how do I proceed with that????
Can I refresh the reader while D/L'ing???

[rhuss]

Originally posted by dodgeboy
O.K...a few questions re Billie's 5-16-02 dvd D/L.
I got the giganews...I got the xnews reader...I got the winrar...I got 5 plus gigs of files that look like book stacks...part1 part2 ect...and some that look like xl files..part1po1 part1po2 ect...
How do I know if I have everything I need to now burn this dvd???
If I do have it all ...how do I proceed with that????
Can I refresh the reader while D/L'ing???

look for .par files to verify you have everything. they are basically like md5's. run the .par files and that should check for ya.

[buzzy]

Originally posted by dodgeboy
O.K...a few questions re Billie's 5-16-02 dvd D/L.
I got the giganews...I got the xnews reader...I got the winrar...I got 5 plus gigs of files that look like book stacks...part1 part2 ect...and some that look like xl files..part1po1 part1po2 ect...
How do I know if I have everything I need to now burn this dvd???
If I do have it all ...how do I proceed with that????
Can I refresh the reader while D/L'ing??? Look for the small par file, it has the verification info. (QuickPar is a good choice for software to do that, as it will test both par and par2 files.) You don't need to download the larger par files (p01, p02, etc.) unless the download is incomplete or corrupt.

Quick Par - Download (http://www.pbclements.co.uk/QuickPar/) and Tutorial Info (http://www.pbclements.co.uk/QuickPar/UsingQuickPar.htm)

And yes, you should be able to update the newsgroups, to see if more files have been posted, while it's downloading files.

GrabIt is much easier and better suited for most users than xnews, FYI.

GrabIt binaries dowloader - download (http://www.shemes.com/index.php?p=download) and Tutorials (http://www.shemes.com/community/viewforum.php?f=6)

[NikkiGrantCole]

My ISP doesn't offer a news group anymore (direcway), yah it sucks. So is there any way I can access a group?

[Crumbo]

My ISP doesn't offer a news group anymore (direcway), yah it sucks. So is there any way I can access a group?

you can get one and pay a monthly fee

[Benny003]

Question:

I'm using GrabIt and I'm downloading shn's from the dmb newsgroup, but after they download (they disappear from the Batch queue list after it says decoding, so that means they are done right?) I go and look for the files in explorer and i find what should be the files but they are just 7 digit hexadecimal names like 0d2c27f0 and that's it, but they are like the size of what the SHN file should be. What is going on here?

Ben

[burke]

look to double check where grabit it downloading to. there is a cache file and a download file. if that doesnt work try refreshing explorer

[Benny003]

Thanks for the help, i had the cache folder and the download folder as the same place and just by changing the destination for the cache folder it seems to have helped things out. Thanks for the reply.

Ben

[Benny003]

Does anyone know if you have to any type of port forwarding for firewalls when using the news groups programs? Like you do when you use BitTorrent?

Ben

[rhuss]

Does anyone know if you have to any type of port forwarding for firewalls when using the news groups programs? Like you do when you use BitTorrent?

Ben
not that i am aware of.

[LovelyLady7]

Can someone please help me, I am trying to download music and i can't seem to do it. I am very new at this and just wantto enjoy the music i did at the shows.

Thanks
Jess