Yeah...So i'm about to give up on guitar b/c I suck and can't play anything for shit. [Archive]

JohnMayerIsAGod

07-26-2002, 08:46 PM

thanks for the cheerup...i've been playing since the beginning of the summer and at first I was really into it...but now I just get bored and i seriously cannot play shit...i'm very bad with rythem....i've been trying to play a few Howie tunes (i'm really into howser at the moment) but no luck........i don't know man, i guess i'll just go back to practicing more

Coster

07-26-2002, 08:57 PM

so you think all these great guitarists new how to play in just one summer? its just like anything you learn, of course you're going ot suck at it at first. i guess one thing that separates the great players from the rest of us is the fact that they don't quit. keep playing. you may not pick it up as fast as some people but eventually you will. it just takes time, patience, and lots of practice.

w0odman

07-27-2002, 11:31 PM

yo, I once felt like you did. I tried to teach myself. Bought Guitasr for Dummies. It pissed me off, I put the book away, and the guitar. Took ithe guitar to school with me months later. I can now rock your socks off after a year. The key is to play WITH people. Its the best way to learn. Or even go get lessons. Bur learning on your own is rough. Stick with it. :)

peetri11

07-28-2002, 01:13 AM

yea, if you dont' have anyone to jam with i'd definately suggest taking lessons, even if you only take them for a couple of months. after you learn some basics from a teacher, teaching yourself becomes much much easier.

Mathers420

07-29-2002, 09:06 AM

Originally posted by JohnMayerIsAGod
thanks for the cheerup...i've been playing since the beginning of the summer and at first I was really into it...but now I just get bored and i seriously cannot play shit...i'm very bad with rythem....i've been trying to play a few Howie tunes (i'm really into howser at the moment) but no luck........i don't know man, i guess i'll just go back to practicing more

I just started in April, and I feel the same way.
I did start taking lessons a while ago and they are really helping, I can play a few songs and I know a bit of theory but it gets really frustrating

there are a shitload of songs i can play, but I cant determine rythm at all. I listen to a song, think I know it and try to replicate it, but it just doesnt work

I have yet to learn a song without someone showing me the strumming pattern. I can play a shitload of chords, and can switch between them pretty easily but I cant strum worth shit

FPrefect61

07-29-2002, 11:40 AM

It took me 6 years of playing to finally get to a point where I can say that I'm damn good, and even that's only on a handful on songs. It takes hours and hours of practice. In high school, I would lock myself in my room for 5 or 6 hours everyday playing. :)

DMBustedStuff

07-31-2002, 11:02 PM

You are starting with some more difficult stuff for beginners too (howie, dmb etc.) Try some more easy stuff...I started by playing Blink 182, their stuff is really easy. The key is to start slow, and you get progressively better....and I have heard lessons help (never taken them myself, but planning to). Just practice, practice, practice and it will come.

Zio DMB

08-01-2002, 09:18 PM

hmm...to me it saeems like your starting on the hard stuff,
start with songs that are easier and have simple chord progressions and timings. Starting with DMB, Howie Day, etc. is just plain stupid, their stuff is hard.
try soem 3 chord songs liek BNL, or Breakfast At Tiffanies (Easiest song i learned) then work yourself up the ranks.

also get a teacher, their the best things to have, cuz teachign yourself is difficult, especially THe music theory, thats just hard to understand if its not in plain english.

Andl iek everyoen i know, and myself, one day it will just click and everythign will seem simple and make sense.

PilotC150

08-02-2002, 07:28 PM

look at some green day stuff too, theirs is usually pretty simple, some songs at least.

Get the basics down by learning the chords and learning to switch between easily.

When I play for my girlfriend sometime i'll play jimi thing or billies, then WWYS, and she thinks it's amazing, but I still think i really suck, and I really hate that feeling.

Although I think back to the first time i heard WWYS and it was dream to be able to play it, now I can, but I still think I suck....maybe if i could sing along I'd feel better about myself.

Anyway...back on topic...don't quit, just dont. Take a week off, like said, and go back and try Green Day's Macy's Day Parade. No Rain, by Blind Melon (rhythm guitar part, only 3 chords) also What I Got by Sublime only has two chords (D and G).

Zio DMB

08-03-2002, 08:23 PM

Originally posted by PilotC150
Although I think back to the first time i heard WWYS and it was dream to be able to play it, now I can, but I still think I suck....maybe if i could sing along I'd feel better about myself.

no thats their way your suppose ot be, the greatest guitarest think they suck, they convince themselves that they suck, just so thjey push themselves harder and harder, its good ot think that way

MistreatedLewis

01-05-2004, 11:34 PM

I think that I have come a long way as rhythm player, and have become very good at playing most Dave stuff DMBtabs style. However! Still have nooooo idea how to solo. Is there a good way to learn this art without taking lessons?? Are there any good books out there? Help!!!

Pipsqueak

01-06-2004, 12:08 AM

I've been playing for 8 years and I still suck it up sometimes.

If you suck at rhythm, BACK AWAY FROM THE DMB TUNES! :lol
There was some damn good advice above. Learn some songs that are just 2-4 chords but have a strict strumming rhythm. (Grateful Dead, CSNY, CCR....just about any folk tune)
Learn the rhythm first by muting all the strings on your guitar. Strum it with the muted strings. Note the accents. If you can't figure it out, clap it. If you don't like to clap, stomp it.

Remember:
1e&a2e&a3e&a4e&a

Don't know what that means? LEARN IT. Find a book or someone to teach it to you. (I would but I don't want to type it out....it would be forever long)

Learn the TIMING of the song, and apply it to that crazy looking 1e&a2e....stuff above. And get a metronome. There is NO better way to get better at rhythm.

TAKE LESSONS, TAKE LESSONS, TAKE LESSONS.
I was self taught for my first 7 years of playing. BIG MISTAKE. I should have started taking lessons a LONG time ago. I have learned more in the past year of taking lessons than I taught myself the previous 7.

And, yes, you need to learn some theory. 'Nuff said. But don't try to teach yourself. I tried to do that, and it is ridiculously hard to do.......and it's boring as all hell that way.
I just started taking a Fingerboard Theory class tonight, and it was really fun. Having a teacher makes ALL the difference.

Not to mention....
GET EXCITED about playing. If you can't get excited, are you sure you really want to learn guitar?
It sounds like you are just in a rut. I guarantee if you sign up for some lessons you'll get out REAL quick. Find a teacher that will teach you practical methods.....through song. That's what it's all about anyway, right?

good luck.

MistreatedLewis

01-06-2004, 12:11 AM

Good advice... where did you find a teacher??

I've been playing for 8 years and I still suck it up sometimes.

If you suck at rhythm, BACK AWAY FROM THE DMB TUNES! :lol
There was some damn good advice above. Learn some songs that are just 2-4 chords but have a strict strumming rhythm. (Grateful Dead, CSNY, CCR....just about any folk tune)
Learn the rhythm first by muting all the strings on your guitar. Strum it with the muted strings. Note the accents. If you can't figure it out, clap it. If you don't like to clap, stomp it.

Remember:
1e&a2e&a3e&a4e&a

Don't know what that means? LEARN IT. Find a book or someone to teach it to you. (I would but I don't want to type it out....it would be forever long)

Learn the TIMING of the song, and apply it to that crazy looking 1e&a2e....stuff above. And get a metronome. There is NO better way to get better at rhythm.

TAKE LESSONS, TAKE LESSONS, TAKE LESSONS.
I was self taught for my first 7 years of playing. BIG MISTAKE. I should have started taking lessons a LONG time ago. I have learned more in the past year of taking lessons than I taught myself the previous 7.

And, yes, you need to learn some theory. 'Nuff said. But don't try to teach yourself. I tried to do that, and it is ridiculously hard to do.......and it's boring as all hell that way.
I just started taking a Fingerboard Theory class tonight, and it was really fun. Having a teacher makes ALL the difference.

Not to mention....
GET EXCITED about playing. If you can't get excited, are you sure you really want to learn guitar?
It sounds like you are just in a rut. I guarantee if you sign up for some lessons you'll get out REAL quick. Find a teacher that will teach you practical methods.....through song. That's what it's all about anyway, right?

good luck.

Pipsqueak

01-06-2004, 12:15 AM

However! Still have nooooo idea how to solo. Is there a good way to learn this art without taking lessons?? Are there any good books out there? Help!!!

SCALES.
Know thy scales.
Know them frontward backward sideward upward downward roundward....etc.

Do you know all the notes on your fretboard?
You should.
You should know that before you learn scales.

Do you know how many sharps or flats are in each major scale?
You should.
Learn that after you learn all the notes on your fretboard.

Whole Whole Half Whole Whole Whole Half
Got it?
Good.

Do you know how to determine the key of a song?
Can you apply a scale to any song?

Can I do all of these things? Not yet. But I know what it takes, and I'm learning. I want to solo someday too.

I can get you the name of a good book. But it might be in your best interest to take a class on Solo and Lead Improv.

Pipsqueak

01-06-2004, 12:17 AM

Good advice... where did you find a teacher??

The Old Town School of Folk Music here in Chicago.

I HIGHLY recommend it for anyone in the area. X 100

MistreatedLewis

01-06-2004, 12:20 AM

I know some of the theory stuff you mentioned because I was actually a singer in High School and also took some music theory in college. But not guitar specific... sigh, I have really put off learning what all the notes on the guitar are past fret 5. I guess I should. It seems like such a challenge! Maybe not if I put in a little effort.

SCALES.
Know thy scales.
Know them frontward backward sideward upward downward roundward....etc.

Do you know all the notes on your fretboard?
You should.
You should know that before you learn scales.

Do you know how many sharps or flats are in each major scale?
You should.
Learn that after you learn all the notes on your fretboard.

Whole Whole Half Whole Whole Whole Half
Got it?
Good.

Do you know how to determine the key of a song?
Can you apply a scale to any song?

Can I do all of these things? Not yet. But I know what it takes, and I'm learning. I want to solo someday too.

I can get you the name of a good book. But it might be in your best interest to take a class on Solo and Lead Improv.

gregory311

01-06-2004, 11:09 AM

And, yes, you need to learn some theory. 'Nuff said.

This is classic. You are the like the first person here that's given this advice. I started a thread about going back to get lessons to learn theory and such a long time ago and was bombarded with lots of "you don't need theory, all you need is tabs" stuff.

Which is true, but tabs are only going to take you so far.

J.

scoot_14

01-06-2004, 12:14 PM

The most important thing to do is have fun. You will suck in your own mind for years on end (possibly forever, musicians are never satisfied with their play and always strive to be better, which is the best way to continue learning).

Try and scale back to learning easier songs, or try and enlist a friend to help or to play along with if that will give you more confidence.

But most importantly have fun, and if it's the slightest bit enjoyable to you don't give up.

gregory311

01-06-2004, 01:29 PM

But most importantly have fun, and if it's the slightest bit enjoyable to you don't give up.

And that's the whole of it right there.

If you don't enjoy playing, maybe you should take a step back for a while. I remember a long time ago that I just couldn't get certain things smooth so I stopped for a couple weeks. When I went back with a refreshed attitude things picked up nicely.

I am not good by any means, either. There are a lot of guys here that really have their shit together. But they will tell you it didn't happen overnight. It takes long hours and dedication to not suck.

Do you have access to other instruments of a non-string variety? Fuck around with something else while your at it. Hit the skins if you can and see what you come up with. (Hey, hit skins and blow your load, too. :) )

Hang in there.

J.

Pipsqueak

01-06-2004, 01:30 PM

This is classic. You are the like the first person here that's given this advice. I started a thread about going back to get lessons to learn theory and such a long time ago and was bombarded with lots of "you don't need theory, all you need is tabs" stuff.

Which is true, but tabs are only going to take you so far.

J.

I'm guilty of thinking that. I guess the kicker is that I USED to think that.

I realize more and more everyday (now) how important it is.

And that's after going with the "all you need is tabs" theory for 7 years.
I finally pulled my head out of the sand.

The best part of it is that theory isn't hard. I used to think that it was too.
There are only 12 notes in music. And when it comes down to it, there are only 12 frets on your guitar.
It's just a lot easier when someone is teaching it. (IMO)

The short of it is I think the "you don't need theory" attitude is a load of poo.
Let's use our good ole buddy, Dave Matthews as an example. You think he knows theory...?
Absolutely......the guy is a theory NERD! He would NOT play the way he does if he weren't. Period.

Like I've said (somewhere) before....
If you want to be able to have true jams with other musicians, you've got to know some theory. I just don't see how you can get around it.

It's worth it.
And if I had seen your thread...I would have probably gone against the grain.
sorry I missed it.

scoot_14

01-06-2004, 01:43 PM

If you want to be able to have true jams with other musicians, you've got to know some theory. I just don't see how you can get around it.

Knowing music theory is key to playing along with others.

Root

01-07-2004, 02:39 PM

The Old Town School of Folk Music here in Chicago.

I HIGHLY recommend it for anyone in the area. X 100

How did you go about finding that? I'm in Atlanta and don't know of anything like that. I am in the same boat as you, I've been playing for 8 years and think I am damn good but don't know shit about the the guitar and theory.

I want to learn bad!

oh, and to the thread starter, like everyone said don't quit. I know you think you suck but you don't, you play better than someone who has never played. The more you play the better you get. simple as that

Pipsqueak

01-07-2004, 02:58 PM

How did you go about finding that?

*racks brain*

I THINK a co-worker told me about it, and then I confirmed it on a guitar forum that I post on quite often.

The Old Town School is just an amazing place. The lessons are group lessons (with an instructor), which makes for a REALLY cool atmosphere. Plus, we all know how much you can learn from others. I also like the idea of making friends with other guitar players. It's just all-around...GOOD.
And, although it is a school, it's not setup like a college or university. The classes are meant more for the general public (recreational players). Almost all of them are after work hours and on weekends. Not to mention, it is inexpensive. I pay $125 for 8 weeks....one night a week for 1-1.5 hours.
They also have the option of taking private lessons if you don't like the group atmosphere.

OK...now that I've rubbed salt in your wounds..... :rolleyes:
There HAS to be something like that in Atlanta. If there is not, you could always take a theory class at a college, say a JuCo or whatever. That would definitely be a more expensive route.
What you could do is look up a college that has music degrees and call one or two of the professors and ask for recommendations. Approach it like you want it to me more of a public/recreational thing.....not like you're trying to get a degree in music. Maybe they can give you some ideas for the Atlanta area?

good luck!

Root

01-07-2004, 03:48 PM

*racks brain*

I THINK a co-worker told me about it, and then I confirmed it on a guitar forum that I post on quite often.

The Old Town School is just an amazing place. The lessons are group lessons (with an instructor), which makes for a REALLY cool atmosphere. Plus, we all know how much you can learn from others. I also like the idea of making friends with other guitar players. It's just all-around...GOOD.
And, although it is a school, it's not setup like a college or university. The classes are meant more for the general public (recreational players). Almost all of them are after work hours and on weekends. Not to mention, it is inexpensive. I pay $125 for 8 weeks....one night a week for 1-1.5 hours.
They also have the option of taking private lessons if you don't like the group atmosphere.

OK...now that I've rubbed salt in your wounds..... :rolleyes:
There HAS to be something like that in Atlanta. If there is not, you could always take a theory class at a college, say a JuCo or whatever. That would definitely be a more expensive route.
What you could do is look up a college that has music degrees and call one or two of the professors and ask for recommendations. Approach it like you want it to me more of a public/recreational thing.....not like you're trying to get a degree in music. Maybe they can give you some ideas for the Atlanta area?

good luck!

I'll try that. I have been looking around but so far only found real college classes and schools like the atlanta institute of music. I want like you said a group class not one on one. If I have to I will take lessons at a music store, but they cost $25 a half hour. Oh, well thanks

FrankTheTank

01-07-2004, 04:10 PM

you need theory if you EVER want to write any decent originals

Pipsqueak

01-07-2004, 04:42 PM

I'll try that. I have been looking around but so far only found real college classes and schools like the atlanta institute of music. I want like you said a group class not one on one. If I have to I will take lessons at a music store, but they cost $25 a half hour. Oh, well thanks

a quick search got me this......
at first glance, it looks VERY similar

http://www.buckheadschoolofmusicandarts.com/

investigate it.....I'm worried, because all I see are pictures of kids. Hopefully they offer adult classes too.

TheBigCaptain

01-07-2004, 06:40 PM

you need theory if you EVER want to write any decent originals

i disagree

Root

01-07-2004, 08:21 PM

a quick search got me this......
at first glance, it looks VERY similar

http://www.buckheadschoolofmusicandarts.com/

investigate it.....I'm worried, because all I see are pictures of kids. Hopefully they offer adult classes too.

Hey cool, thanks for seaching for that. I did look around and I see they do offer adult classes. I'm going to call them and see what exacty they can offer me. thanks again :)

MistreatedLewis

01-07-2004, 08:26 PM

Is that reall ytrue about Dave? Because the impression I always got was that he really does not know too much theory, and that is why he really doesn't do much soloing live. Also, that's why his chord voicings are so unique.

I could be totally wrong, but this was just my general impression. I am curious to know more though.

I'm guilty of thinking that. I guess the kicker is that I USED to think that.

I realize more and more everyday (now) how important it is.

And that's after going with the "all you need is tabs" theory for 7 years.
I finally pulled my head out of the sand.

The best part of it is that theory isn't hard. I used to think that it was too.
There are only 12 notes in music. And when it comes down to it, there are only 12 frets on your guitar.
It's just a lot easier when someone is teaching it. (IMO)

The short of it is I think the "you don't need theory" attitude is a load of poo.
Let's use our good ole buddy, Dave Matthews as an example. You think he knows theory...?
Absolutely......the guy is a theory NERD! He would NOT play the way he does if he weren't. Period.

Like I've said (somewhere) before....
If you want to be able to have true jams with other musicians, you've got to know some theory. I just don't see how you can get around it.

It's worth it.
And if I had seen your thread...I would have probably gone against the grain.
sorry I missed it.

scoot_14

01-07-2004, 09:05 PM

Pipsqueak

01-07-2004, 09:38 PM

I took an 8 week Dave Matthews course the last couple of months, and after analyzing and playing his stuff for that time it just seems like the guy is a theory whiz.

I can see what you guys are saying though too.
I guess what I said before probably came across like I read it in a book/interview as fact somewhere or something....but that's not the case.
It is more the opinion/observations of myself and the instructor I had.

I guess I see it that he would play those unique chord voicings if he didn't know how they work. I mean seriously......who think of playing chords that way!?! When it comes down to it, there are some easier ways to play some of those chords...most of which sound similar.
There are just little pieces, here and there, that say to me that Dave is a theory junky at heart. I mean obviously he plays around with scales and stuff, or we wouldn't have songs like Satellite...etc.
He has to know some theory or he wouldn't be able to sit around and write the stuff he does.......IMHO.

And, you're right, Dave has a unique position with the band. While he plays lead guitar, it's more lead rhythm guitar. So he doesn't get into all the solos. It's actually cool, IMO. Now that I think about it, could you see/imagine him up there tearing up some solos? It might be cool, but it might be weird.....I don't know.....I'd have to think about it. :lol

Pipsqueak

01-07-2004, 09:40 PM

i disagree

and I disagree with you.....
but do you care to share more than just your one-liner...?

I'm just curious what your thoughts are on the issue.

MistreatedLewis

01-07-2004, 10:08 PM

Interesting thought. I am not sure. He must know a little, but I never thought he cared to learn much because it would kind of cramp on his ceativity. That's the impression I got from various interviews and stuff. I guess it could go either way. Anyway, theory or no, musical genius, eh?

I took an 8 week Dave Matthews course the last couple of months, and after analyzing and playing his stuff for that time it just seems like the guy is a theory whiz.

I can see what you guys are saying though too.
I guess what I said before probably came across like I read it in a book/interview as fact somewhere or something....but that's not the case.
It is more the opinion/observations of myself and the instructor I had.

I guess I see it that he would play those unique chord voicings if he didn't know how they work. I mean seriously......who think of playing chords that way!?! When it comes down to it, there are some easier ways to play some of those chords...most of which sound similar.
There are just little pieces, here and there, that say to me that Dave is a theory junky at heart. I mean obviously he plays around with scales and stuff, or we wouldn't have songs like Satellite...etc.
He has to know some theory or he wouldn't be able to sit around and write the stuff he does.......IMHO.

And, you're right, Dave has a unique position with the band. While he plays lead guitar, it's more lead rhythm guitar. So he doesn't get into all the solos. It's actually cool, IMO. Now that I think about it, could you see/imagine him up there tearing up some solos? It might be cool, but it might be weird.....I don't know.....I'd have to think about it. :lol

Root

01-07-2004, 10:15 PM

I did read that Dave has little knoledge of theory. Once in an interview with I think Acoutic Guitar magizine, where he says some of his musical friends like David Ryan Harris were amazed with his lack of musical knoledge. Also, I have an old video tape from a PBS special (Guitar Superstars) where Dave says the reason he comes up with these crazy riffs is because he has no knowledge there and that he says that he feels that all the riffs are all there untill you find them.

I personally think he did know some theory but as the band grew others taught him more about theory which helped him write more amazing songs. As, his voice, it has improved since day one.

just what I think

Pipsqueak

01-08-2004, 10:49 AM

That is interesting....

Man, I would love to sit around and pick at that guy's brain someday over a beer or two or three. :)

Granted, I haven't read many interviews....at all.
But the ones I have read......they always ask the same questions, and before Dave gets to a REAL answer, they completely change the subject and ask a different question. :rolleyes:

I was just having this discussion with a friend the other day, and we were talking about how we hate that....just in general.

Ah, well....I'm sure I'm beating a dead horse with that one.

But I wonder if he's just covering up his knowledge of theory? Who knows.
Like I said....I'd love to pick his brain.

Root

01-08-2004, 11:26 AM

I bet that Timmy knows alot about theory and I'm sure he helped or taught Dave about it. but your right who knows

dmbguitarguy

01-08-2004, 12:36 PM

Hey JohnMayerIsAGod,

Keep with it. Guitar is tough for a couple years until you really get the hang of it. It's really tough not to quit I know, but just try to stick with it. If you're into Howie, try "Sorry So Sorry." It's a great song but relatively simple to play. Give it a shot. Take care and stay with it!

-Marcus

Afoolsmistake

01-08-2004, 12:43 PM

Hey JohnMayerIsAGod,

Stick with the guitar man, just stay away from those mayer songs... total crap

FrankTheTank

01-08-2004, 12:55 PM

Hey JohnMayerIsAGod,

Stick with the guitar man, just stay away from those mayer songs... total crap might be your opinion, but in terms of difficulty...quite a bit harder than the ole' dave tunes

mccar172

01-08-2004, 05:17 PM

Just wondering? Did You (JohnMayerIsAGod) quit? Seeing that the original post is from 07-26-2002. Stop trying to play neon.

bigeyedharper

01-08-2004, 07:16 PM

might be your opinion, but in terms of difficulty...quite a bit harder than the ole' dave tunes

depends on the song....

Nikos

01-08-2004, 07:16 PM

Anyone know any good theory websites? just curious..thanks

Pipsqueak

01-08-2004, 11:18 PM

Anyone know any good theory websites? just curious..thanks

shit.
I just typed out a HUGE response for you and then the server went down or something and I lost it all. :BANG

I will redo it later.

Pipsqueak

01-09-2004, 12:06 AM

OK....one more try for some theory websites:
(many of the sites I'll post are site for guitar lessons....search through the lessons, as some of them are theory based)

Director: "Take Two!"

http://www.acousticguitar.com/lessons/lessons.shtml
http://www.guitarlessonworld.com/
http://www.guitarnoise.com/guitar.php

http://www.woodpecker.com/writing/articleindex.html (some good stuff)

http://www.guitarprinciples.com/GettingBetter/gettingbettermenu.htm (essay on practicing)

BONUS:
http://www.guitarprinciples.com/Essays/essay29.htm (why should I learn to read music?)
www.teoria.com (learning to read music)
http://www.teoria.com/reference/index.htm

DOUBLE BONUS THURSDAY!!:
I am attaching a file on the CAGED system. It's a .zip file with a bunch of .pdf files. If you don't know what the CAGED system is....learn it. You'll be glad you know it.....and you'll thank me later for sharing. ;)

so I guess that ought to keep you (and hopefully others) busy for a while

Pipsqueak

01-09-2004, 12:15 AM

Ok....the CAGED system file was too large to upload, so I had to put it on my website.

here ya go

CAGED (http://home.comcast.net/~a.stcyr/documents/CAGED.zip)

ENJOY!

Nikos

01-09-2004, 12:30 AM

I really appreciate it man...thanks for all the info and links...
:) :) :)

Pipsqueak

01-09-2004, 12:59 AM

I really appreciate it man...thanks for all the info and links...
:) :) :)

absolutely no problem at all....
I hope it is of use to you.

MistreatedLewis

01-09-2004, 02:25 AM

Thank you for the help!

dobyblue

01-11-2004, 12:54 AM

Hey JohnMayerIsAGod,

Stick with the guitar man, just stay away from those mayer songs... total crap
but, much like Dave, some interesting chords that may add to your "vocabulary" of chords - like no such thing
E6sus2 (0-11-13-11-x-x)
Emaj7sus2 (0-11-11-11-x-x)
Amaj7 (5-x-6-6-5-0)
C#m7 (9-x-9-9-9-x)
Cm#7sus11 (9-x-9-9-7-x)
F#7 (2-x-2-3-2-x)
Fsus11/14 (1-3-3-2-0-0)
Asus2 (5-7-7-6-0-0)
G13 (3-5-5-4-0-0)By Gordon Swanson ggswanson@attbi.comBased on work by Scott Fischer and Catherine Gagne mailto:qaz432@hotmail.com

and Mayer does quite a funny impression of Dave on the mp3 "channeling musicians"

dobyblue

01-11-2004, 12:55 AM

elmachobaracho

01-17-2004, 11:32 PM

Please reccomend some more songs for beginners. I've been playing for about 4 months now. Recently, I've been learning some songs with an easy F chord xx3211. Any suggestions on chords like that and songs with chords like that.

Pipsqueak

01-18-2004, 06:17 PM

JCarey03

01-18-2004, 08:03 PM

Yeah man i know the feeling of wanting to give up the guitar completely, it crosses my mind about once every two months and all you can do is play through it which i find to work best for me or like some people said just step away from the guitar for a week or two. I've been playing for two years and i absolutely suck..i can play about 75% of dmb's stuff really well only b/c thats all i've practiced for the last two years. With that being said b/c of learning a more difficult style of guitar first I have fast fingers and can change any chords pretty flawless within just a couple minutes of looking up tabs...BUT like some other guy said i feel like i have a really messed up rhythm b/c of learning daves style of guitar, i can look at some simple Grateful dead with simple chords and chord changes and struggle for weeks with it. Guess i really dont have much a point with my post but dont give up man..keep playing, even if you play for 30 years there will still be the days that you think you suck at it.
-Jeff