Pick my Keepers (FantasyBaseballC)

[Ascf33]

Pick my 10 keepers. Ignore the Minors players. They are kept automatically.


I have 7 obvious picks, its the last three that I am worried about. The stats that are there are the stats that count for scoring. It's also a roto league, not head to head.

EDIT: I realize the attached image is impossible to read so here is the same picture on imageshack: http://img697.yfrog.com/img697/6259/teamep.jpg

[DmBand801]

Soto, Butler, Hudson, Cruz, Prado, Papelbon, K-Rod, Hughes, Ross, Callapso.

[Ascf33]

little help here

[Ascf33]

Soto, Butler, Hudson, Cruz, Prado, Papelbon, K-Rod, Hughes, Ross, Callapso.

3 second basemen?

[ProudestAnt]

In what league can you keep 10 players? That's insane...

[ProudestAnt]

Of that list, I would say:

Hudson
Butler
Cruz
Cueto
Feliz
Hunter
Paps
K-Rod
Jackson

If it were a league that counted Holds, I would say Hughes in a heartbeat for that last spot. But because you don't, I would probably say Lowe or Soto for the last spot. Personally, I would take Soto, but try to upgrade early since your high needs/shallow positions (2B, 1B, RP) are already filled...

[FunkyTeaParty]

Billy Butler
Aramis Ramirez
Stephen Drew
Martin Prado
Cody Ross
Nelson Cruz

Edwin Jackson
Phil Hughes
Neftali Feliz
Jonathan Papelbon

[DynastyDrummer1]

Butler
Ramirez
Drew
Ross
Prado
Jackson
Hughes
Papelbon
K-Rod

Edit: I can't count... umm... throw Soto in there

[devilandthelord]

I don't know that I'd keep 10 of those guys.

[ProudestAnt]

Billy Butler
Aramis Ramirez
Stephen Drew
Martin Prado
Cody Ross
Nelson Cruz

Edwin Jackson
Phil Hughes
Neftali Feliz
Jonathan Papelbon
How can you keep Hughes and not K-Rod? One is a closer (tough position to get production from fantasy-wise) who is penciled in for 40 saves per year, and the other is a guy who doesn't even know what his role is at this point in the season...

[FunkyTeaParty]

How can you keep Hughes and not K-Rod? One is a closer (tough position to get production from fantasy-wise) who is penciled in for 40 saves per year, and the other is a guy who doesn't even know what his role is at this point in the season...

You go ahead and pencil K-Rod in for 40 saves. I'll take the under.

He's keeping Papelbon so he has his save guy. I'll take my chances that other potential save opportunites will be available in the draft. I am scared of K-Rod. He has a violent motion, a curveball that has to be brutal on his arm and I just feel like he is on the downside. Hughes is a wilcard because you don't know his role, but he threw the ball well last year and I am sure the Yankees will be relying on him for big innings no matter what his role is.

[ProudestAnt]

You go ahead and pencil K-Rod in for 40 saves. I'll take the under.

He's keeping Papelbon so he has his save guy. I'll take my chances that other potential save opportunites will be available in the draft. I am scared of K-Rod. He has a violent motion, a curveball that has to be brutal on his arm and I just feel like he is on the downside. Hughes is a wilcard because you don't know his role, but he threw the ball well last year and I am sure the Yankees will be relying on him for big innings no matter what his role is.
I'll take K-Rod's 20 saves on a down year over Hughes' 30 Holds that don't count in a league...

[Ascf33]

In what league can you keep 10 players? That's insane...

We have to keep 5, can keep up to 10.

[Ascf33]

Right now I am certain of:

Papelbon
KRod
Butler
Cruz
Ramirez
Drew (No SS of value will even make it to the draft)
Feliz

I'm thinking: Jackson, Soto, Hudson, but I'd hate to let Johnny Ceuto and Phil Hughes go to the draft.

I can part with Lowe and the other pitchers going to draft as I should be able to get decent #2 and #3 starters just fine. I don't have my definative #1 but I have 2 of the 4 best closers in the game.

[ProudestAnt]

I'd keep Lowe. He'll have a bounce back season...

[spoot388]

I'll take K-Rod's 20 saves on a down year over Hughes' 30 Holds that don't count in a league...


you're not supposed to keep guys like K-Rod. if you throw him back, you can get him back for the same price you paid for him last year. if you got a guy like Jayson Werth last year, his value is MUCH higher this year, so you keep him because you can't get production like him for the price you paid. so in this case, you keep Hughes because his upside is a billion times higher than K-Rod at this stage of their careers. if Hughes gets his control figured out, he can be a 17-20 game winner. K-Rod is never going to be worth more than he already is.

[Ascf33]

Who would I not keep then... Soto? I hate keeping him but there will most likely be only shit catchers left.

[FunkyTeaParty]

I'll take K-Rod's 20 saves on a down year over Hughes' 30 Holds that don't count in a league...

Hughes stats will also count toward ERA, WHIP, Ks, Ws and maybe even a few SVs. I don't trust K-Rod. I think he is as likely to have 10 saves as he is to have 40.

[spoot388]

Soto
Butler
Drew
Cruz
Prado
Hughes
Cueto
Jackson


don't really know any of the others to say who to keep.


where are all the big names like A-Rod and Rollins???

[Ascf33]

I traded Rollins last year for Butler, Cruz, and Feliz. My team was terrible last year. Wanted some depth for this year.

[FunkyTeaParty]

If you don't have to keep 10 I would take Prado, Ross, Hughes and Feliz off my list.

You'll be able to get all those guys later.

[spoot388]

If you don't have to keep 10 I would take Prado, Ross, Hughes and Feliz off my list.

You'll be able to get all those guys later.


but if you're just going to get them back later, why not just keep them if you can?

[FunkyTeaParty]

but if you're just going to get them back later, why not just keep them if you can?

Because you can get better players in between. So that way Cody Ross is you 12th best player instead of 6th.

[ProudestAnt]

you're not supposed to keep guys like K-Rod. if you throw him back, you can get him back for the same price you paid for him last year. if you got a guy like Jayson Werth last year, his value is MUCH higher this year, so you keep him because you can't get production like him for the price you paid. so in this case, you keep Hughes because his upside is a billion times higher than K-Rod at this stage of their careers. if Hughes gets his control figured out, he can be a 17-20 game winner. K-Rod is never going to be worth more than he already is.
It's not though. Hughes is a player without a home. He may set-up, he may close, he may start, he may long relieve. That's not a guy you keep. You keep guys who you know what they'll do...

[ProudestAnt]

Who would I not keep then... Soto? I hate keeping him but there will most likely be only shit catchers left.
I'd probably put Soto on my list as the 10th keeper...

[Ascf33]

If you don't have to keep 10 I would take Prado, Ross, Hughes and Feliz off my list.

You'll be able to get all those guys later.

I'm keeping Feliz... everyone in my league has a hard on for him.

[Ascf33]

double post

[FunkyTeaParty]

I'm keeping Feliz... everyone in my league has a hard on for him.

Good enough. Feliz has a ton of potential and is someone I will look at in my draft. He is kind of in a Phil Hughes situtation himself.

In response to ProudestAnt, your wanting to see a role before you take somebody is a perfectly valid strategy, but I tend to look more at talent and/or potential when drafting. I just think Hughes is going to throw the ball well this year and will find a role. By the time that happens someone in your league will probably have him. If you feel that he still won't be worth the price even after he settles into a role, than ignore him. It's probably not going to hurt you much.

I just think that if you believe in the talent you have to believe that a role will emerge. I play in a league where 10 pitchers need to be in the lineup each week so there is value in a guy that is just going to have a good ERA and WHIP with a decent amount of Ks and a stray W here and there.

[UNC41]

I figure I'll post here rather than start a new thread. I can keep four at the prices listed below in a standard roto league with 10 teams.

C: Russell Martin - $7
1B: Prince Fielder - $10
2B: Dan Uggla - $11
3B: Casey Blake - $2
SS: Jimmy Rollins - $33
OF: Matt Kemp - $25
OF: Shane Victornio - $9
OF: Torii Hunter - $9
OF: Adam Lind - $2
Util: Kendry Morales - $2
Bench: Jay Bruce - $10
Bench: Vladimir Guerrero - $19
Bench: Adrian Beltre - $9
Bench: Jose Lopez - $5

SP: Felix Hernandez - $20
SP: CC Sabathia - $11
SP: Chris Carpenter - $12
SP: Josh Johnson - $11
SP: Chad Billingsley - $9
RP: Jonathan Papelbon - $22
RP: Heath Bell - $10
Bench: Jonathan Sanchez - $4
Bench: Nick Blackburn - $4

We have a $260 cap. Prince and Lind are being kept for sure. Right now I'm leaning toward Kemp and Sabathia.

Thoughts?

[spoot388]

i dont know about Kemp. he's already pretty high. what are the highest prices in the league. i see Rollins is at 33, but like Pujols and A-Rod, are they around 40? Kemp seems to be a late 1st rounder in most leagues, so he would have a slightly lower value than someone like A-Rod, so figure mid to upper 30s. but then Chris Carpenter is down there at 12. he's a 3-4 round pick, but he's a legit ace if he can stay healthy. last year he posted 17-4, 144 K, 38 BB in 193 IP with a 2.24 ERA and 1.01 WHIP. that is legit Cy Young numbers. outside of the K's, he had the same/better numbers as Roy Halladay. can you get Halladay for $12? i don't think so. i think there is a bigger value save by keeping Carpenter than Kemp.

[Ascf33]

Jesus, that team is jacked. Did you win last year?

Pending on what the stats are... I'd keep Papelbon or one of your Aces.

[spoot388]

It's not though. Hughes is a player without a home. He may set-up, he may close, he may start, he may long relieve. That's not a guy you keep. You keep guys who you know what they'll do...


you do know that keeper leagues are called that because you keep players from one year to the next right? you don't keep guys because you know what they're going to do. he has Aramis Ramirez on his team, but he's not someone you keep. ya he hit .286 with 25 HR, 100 RBI and like 80 R last year, but thats normal. what his price was last year and what his price would be this year isn't going to change, so you can get him back for the same price and still keep someone else, like Stephen Drew. he should get better this year, so his value should go up. but if you can keep him while his value is low, you do that so you're not paying twice as much next year to get him back.

Hughes might not have a spot right NOW as we're two weeks into spring training, but he could find a spot in may, or maybe september, but when he does he'll be there next year too. you can always get K-Rod back for $25 or whatever he costs. his price isn't really going anywhere. if Hughes finds his control, his value is going to skyrocket. it will be a lot harder to get Hughes back than it will be to get K-Rod back. that is why Hughes is the guy you keep.

there was a big article about this on ESPN. it broke down how much money you would be spending and how much value you would be gaining. if you keep the cheaper guys who are still developing, you could have a salary of $260, but a value of $310. if you get rid of them, theres going to be 2 good players that you can't get back because you can't afford what their price is, which makes your team worse and someone else's team better.

[y100adics]

10 keepers? Holy crap!

[ProudestAnt]

you do know that keeper leagues are called that because you keep players from one year to the next right? you don't keep guys because you know what they're going to do. he has Aramis Ramirez on his team, but he's not someone you keep. ya he hit .286 with 25 HR, 100 RBI and like 80 R last year, but thats normal. what his price was last year and what his price would be this year isn't going to change, so you can get him back for the same price and still keep someone else, like Stephen Drew. he should get better this year, so his value should go up. but if you can keep him while his value is low, you do that so you're not paying twice as much next year to get him back.

Hughes might not have a spot right NOW as we're two weeks into spring training, but he could find a spot in may, or maybe september, but when he does he'll be there next year too. you can always get K-Rod back for $25 or whatever he costs. his price isn't really going anywhere. if Hughes finds his control, his value is going to skyrocket. it will be a lot harder to get Hughes back than it will be to get K-Rod back. that is why Hughes is the guy you keep.

there was a big article about this on ESPN. it broke down how much money you would be spending and how much value you would be gaining. if you keep the cheaper guys who are still developing, you could have a salary of $260, but a value of $310. if you get rid of them, theres going to be 2 good players that you can't get back because you can't afford what their price is, which makes your team worse and someone else's team better.
Don't lecture me on a keeper league. You keep the player who's going to be worth more to you THIS season, not next season, not 3 seasons down the line. If you want him that bad, you can re-draft him. He's not a guy who's going to be targeted as a top pick like K-Rod. Why hand over 30-40 saves to another guy in your league if you don't have to? Just so you can have a kid who may be a closer or a starter in a few years? No. It's ridiculous to think that, and I would love to be in a keeper league with someone who has the mentality about it that you do...

[Ascf33]

10 keepers? Holy crap!

Believe me, I know. The owners are big babies. I suggested we change the keepers to 3 or 4 and they almost through me out.

[UNC41]

i dont know about Kemp. he's already pretty high. what are the highest prices in the league. i see Rollins is at 33, but like Pujols and A-Rod, are they around 40? Kemp seems to be a late 1st rounder in most leagues, so he would have a slightly lower value than someone like A-Rod, so figure mid to upper 30s. but then Chris Carpenter is down there at 12. he's a 3-4 round pick, but he's a legit ace if he can stay healthy. last year he posted 17-4, 144 K, 38 BB in 193 IP with a 2.24 ERA and 1.01 WHIP. that is legit Cy Young numbers. outside of the K's, he had the same/better numbers as Roy Halladay. can you get Halladay for $12? i don't think so. i think there is a bigger value save by keeping Carpenter than Kemp.

The following players cost more to keep than Kemp: Howard, Reyes, Soriano, Utley, Peavy, Holliday, Crawford, Texiera, Ichiro, Oswalt, Manny, Pujols, Berkman, Wright, Markakis, A-Rod, Johan, Miggy, Beltran and Sizemore. You've also got a couple guys at his same price and some elite talent who are locked in at a lower price.

Jesus, that team is jacked. Did you win last year?

Pending on what the stats are... I'd keep Papelbon or one of your Aces.

Yeah, I've won the league three years running. My staff was dirty nasty last year, and offense raked. The plan is to make it four in a row.

[spoot388]

Don't lecture me on a keeper league. You keep the player who's going to be worth more to you THIS season, not next season, not 3 seasons down the line. If you want him that bad, you can re-draft him. He's not a guy who's going to be targeted as a top pick like K-Rod. Why hand over 30-40 saves to another guy in your league if you don't have to? Just so you can have a kid who may be a closer or a starter in a few years? No. It's ridiculous to think that, and I would love to be in a keeper league with someone who has the mentality about it that you do...


i've love to be in a league with you too because i know i'd win. i've made it to the finals in my leagues the last 3 years and those were in single year snake draft leagues. but i know i'd do just as good in an auction league. i know what i'm doing, and i know what you're doing too. you're doing not one, but TWO things you shouldn't when it comes to fantasy baseball. so just by that simple information of your feelings about K-Rod i know i would come out ahead of you.



The following players cost more to keep than Kemp: Howard, Reyes, Soriano, Utley, Peavy, Holliday, Crawford, Texiera, Ichiro, Oswalt, Manny, Pujols, Berkman, Wright, Markakis, A-Rod, Johan, Miggy, Beltran and Sizemore. You've also got a couple guys at his same price and some elite talent who are locked in at a lower price.



Yeah, I've won the league three years running. My staff was dirty nasty last year, and offense raked. The plan is to make it four in a row.


how high do you think Kemp's price would go if you throw him back, and how much demand do you think Carpenter would have? Carpenter put up numbers similar to Greinke and Lincecum last year. just without all the strikeouts, but he seems to be flying under the radar because he was injured the year before. you can't go wrong by keeping Kemp for 25, i don't blame you at all. but i would take a hard look at Carpenter. he's at 12 now, but what will he jump to if he gets tossed back? you know guys like Halladay and Sabathia are going to pull at least 30, and Carpenter can be just as good as them. i'd have a hard time throwing him back for $12.

[UNC41]

how high do you think Kemp's price would go if you throw him back, and how much demand do you think Carpenter would have? Carpenter put up numbers similar to Greinke and Lincecum last year. just without all the strikeouts, but he seems to be flying under the radar because he was injured the year before. you can't go wrong by keeping Kemp for 25, i don't blame you at all. but i would take a hard look at Carpenter. he's at 12 now, but what will he jump to if he gets tossed back? you know guys like Halladay and Sabathia are going to pull at least 30, and Carpenter can be just as good as them. i'd have a hard time throwing him back for $12.

I'm not very comfortable keeping a guy who pitched five games the two years before last season and isn't a high strikeout pitcher. His fantasy value is nowhere near Halladay and Sabathia.

Five outfielders went for more than $30 last year.