How much farther back are your seats this year?

[ExistenceNow]

For those of you that didn't get pit, how much farther back are your seats this year, compared to years past?


Trying to see how bad this GA pit fucked everyone (not just '98ers), if it did at all.

[kfpoling]

from a 98 account, the seats are much worse this year
used to be within the first 6 rows... not so much this year

[RiotAct]

uhhh... I actually did BETTER this year than last year from the Warehouse.

[nieds05]

my seats all improved this year

[MsEmilyNYC]

They're about the same as what I pulled last year before I upgraded.

[dancingkc]

March '99 member, ordered 5 shows, 4 to venues I know well and so have sense of what my seats usually are - at least 20 rows farther back for each.

[GinaNMU]

I really am never one to complain about my seats b/c I've always gotten lucky for the most part. I've been in the WH since 2000, and this year I got some faaaarrrrr back seats for Alpine (rows WW and XX). Worst I've had in a long time. Do we think it is b/c of the pit thing? :shrug

[ExistenceNow]

I really am never one to complain about my seats b/c I've always gotten lucky for the most part. I've been in the WH since 2000, and this year I got some faaaarrrrr back seats for Alpine (rows WW and XX). Worst I've had in a long time. Do we think it is b/c of the pit thing? :shrug


I do.


Put a bunch of random people in the pit, and the people who used to be there get backed up, thus backing up everyone else.

People kept saying that "only the 98ers would be screwed" but from what I'm seeing, everyone from 98-2005 is getting a pretty hard shove back.

[RiotAct]

44% so far said they got the same as usual... is this helping your theory at all???

;) ;)

[ExistenceNow]

44% so far said they got the same as usual... is this helping your theory at all???

;) ;)


Yea, I'm wondering how many of those are for random nights, and not seniority...


Also, I probably should have put this in DMBc to get more traffic.


But yea, the poll is not really helping my theory. Though technically the majority of people are worse off. :p


I do know that me and mine got the almighty shaft on seniority nights this year.

[RiotAct]

Yea, I'm wondering how many of those are for random nights, and not seniority...


Also, I probably should have put this in DMBc to get more traffic.


But yea, the poll is not really helping my theory. Though technically the majority of people are worse off. :p


I do know that me and mine got the almighty shaft on seniority nights this year.

that sucks man... are you hitting up any ballpark shows??? That seems to be key, Warehouse hooked a TON of people up with GA field for those shows, and it's basically automatic 5th row or closer, as long as you get there at a somewhat decent time for the WH early entrance :thumbsup

[dmbcdn]

Re Toronto

Disappointed.:shrug Last year 103 Row G, this year 202 Row V. I didn't select pit because we're taking the kids (11 & 8) and they wouldn't see a thing from the pit.
Bright side is we are all going!

[spoot388]

its hard to tell how bad my camden seats are this year. in 2008 they sucked complete ass both nights (sec 200 and 204). last year i got 104 and low 203. this year i got low 201 and 204. i guess they're pretty much the same, although 2 of the 3 shows i got WH tickets for are random nights.

[DMBzilla]

I wasn't entirely sure how to answer. I only requested one show that I know seniority applied (Camden N2) and got pushed into Section 100 row J. I was generally pulling seats in the pit. However, considering how far off to the side I was placed, I voted for the 20-25 rows option, because depending on where my actual seats are in the row I would probably rather be somewhere further back in 101, 102 or 103.

[ExistenceNow]

that sucks man... are you hitting up any ballpark shows??? That seems to be key, Warehouse hooked a TON of people up with GA field for those shows, and it's basically automatic 5th row or closer, as long as you get there at a somewhat decent time for the WH early entrance :thumbsup


We still did alright on our seats, but for the seniority we were pulling with, I'm still disappointed.


Thankfully I'm not doing any ballpark shows. Ga on a field is a nightmare.

[groton]

the only seats I got with my WH account was GA Pit and lawn (which I requested) so I really don't know how far I would of got pushed back but my account is a 06 account.

[Benny003]

I was confirmed for both nights of Alpine (8th year going) and these seats are definitely worse than I normally get. Most years had been improving every year, this year's seats look like I'm a second year member again. Not happy.

[justink]

i'd like to say that all my predictions came true... wish i could find all my posts in the numerous threads to quote myself.

Woodlands seniority (first day members) went from 2nd/3rd row to 16th-20th row. my 2000 account went way the hell back.

Dallas, i normally pull left/right row J, this year i'm in the back upper reserved row KK behind the soundboard. so, either dallas seniority got ULTRA FUCKED, or they just went random altogether... either of which suck major ass.

SPAC didn't get a seniority night at all. everything from confirmations to seat locations were random.

Camden N1 was random and i pulled center row E (not for me unfortunately).

bottom line, on average... for seniority nights, the GA Pit thing pushed EVERYBODY back a good 15-20 rows, regardless of seniority. a small percentage of this problem could have been the 4 ticket option as well, but we saw the results of that last year and it wasn't anything as substantial as this GA PIT thing.

so, in summary, fuck the pit. i'm glad a few people got lucky and get to experience the pit for the first time, but is it really worth ruining it for 10x more people who take the shaft for that few people's happiness?

[RiotAct]

SPAC didn't get a seniority night at all. everything from confirmations to seat locations were random.


Wrong.

ETA: "The shows on the first night of a two-night run in the same city were assigned at random and the second night shows were assigned by seniority." https://whsec1.davematthewsband.com/ticketing.asp

[DMBzilla]

Dallas, i normally pull left/right row J, this year i'm in the back upper reserved row KK behind the soundboard. so, either dallas seniority got ULTRA FUCKED, or they just went random altogether... either of which suck major ass.

Same here. I've gotten Dallas the past three years -- went in 2008 and got them in 2009 and this year for a buddy of mine. The assignments were as follows.

2008 -- 101 E
2009 -- 100 E
2010 -- 100 U

SPAC didn't get a seniority night at all. everything from confirmations to seat locations were random.

Has that been confirmed? I know it looks that way, but is that officially the case at this point?

I also got uberfucked for Camden, sacrificing my usual 6th-8th row seat for Section 100, Row J (which sucks if it's not in the low seat numbers).

Everything else you said is right on the money. It goes back to my previous argument -- the new policy helps the extreme minority while hurting the overwhelming majority. Such a load of bullshit.

[ExistenceNow]

Wrong.


According to WH, you're right, but can you explain why one day 1 account pulled 5F for N2 SPAC and another day 1 account pulled 19D for N2 SPAC??

[ExistenceNow]

Same here. I've gotten Dallas the past three years -- went in 2008 and got them in 2009 and this year for a buddy of mine. The assignments were as follows.

2008 -- 101 E
2009 -- 100 E
2010 -- 100 U



Has that been confirmed? I know it looks that way, but is that officially the case at this point?

I also got uberfucked for Camden, sacrificing my usual 6th-8th row seat for Section 100, Row J (which sucks if it's not in the low seat numbers).

Everything else you said is right on the money. It goes back to my previous argument -- the new policy helps the extreme minority while hurting the overwhelming majority. Such a load of bullshit.


Officially, no, but as I said above, 2 first day accounts pulled seats in 5F and 19D. I don't see how that's possible if they truly did N2 by seniority.

[RiotAct]

According to WH, you're right, but can you explain why one day 1 account pulled 5F for N2 SPAC and another day 1 account pulled 19D for N2 SPAC??

Well sure, it's because..

actually, no :lol Unless the Warehouse fucked up.

[justink]

Wrong.

ETA: "The shows on the first night of a two-night run in the same city were assigned at random and the second night shows were assigned by seniority." https://whsec1.davematthewsband.com/ticketing.asp

really? then how do you explain this:

two first day members:

SPAC N2: 19 Row D & 5 Row F

so, one gets the balcony and another pulls row F?

and N1 was definitely not seniority. first year member pulled 14 Row MM (front row last year).

warehouse can print whatever they want 4 months ago. what they really did and the results (proof) contradicts that statement entirely.

[ComeNDnceWithMe]

SPAC N2 was seniority.

[RiotAct]

really? then how do you explain this:

two first day members:

SPAC N2: 19 Row D & 5 Row F

so, one gets the balcony and another pulls row F?

and N1 was definitely not seniority. first year member pulled 14 Row MM (front row last year).

warehouse can print whatever they want 4 months ago. what they really did and the results (proof) contradicts that statement entirely.

the first-day account that pulled 19D, does that belong to you or ExistenceNow? Or did someone from, say, Ants request those for you?

[DMBzilla]

Yeah, from everything I'm seeing SPAC was entirely random, which pisses me off even more. Easily the most sought out shows of the year, and they pull that shit.

And why? What justification is there to do something like that?

[ExistenceNow]

SPAC N2 was seniority.


Then the WH seriously fucking sucks at math.

[ComeNDnceWithMe]

I would highly doubt a first day account pulled 19 row D. I'd check the facts ...

[justink]

SPAC N2 was seniority.

no sir.

[RiotAct]

yeah if the guy who pulled 19 Row D for N2 truly has a 12/3/98 membership, he should be sending a very strongly-worded e-mail to Warehouse management right about now.

.... but not TOO strongly-worded, or they might revoke his account :rolleyes

[ExistenceNow]

yeah if the guy who pulled 19 Row D for N2 truly has a 12/3/98 membership, he should be sending a very strongly-worded e-mail to Warehouse management right about now.

.... but not TOO strongly-worded, or they might revoke his account :rolleyes


:lol

[ComeNDnceWithMe]

no sir.

:lol I don't know how to say it, other than "you are wrong."

See ya in Section 1. :)

[kfpoling]

spac N1 was definitely not seniority... first day account got 14JJ

[RiotAct]

:lol

lol, I can see them sitting there reading a profanity-laced e-mail from someone, their faces turning progressively redder and redder... until they snap, open up the Excel spreadsheet that has everyone's member info, delete the guy's row and hit CTRL+S.


:lol I don't know how to say it, other than "you are wrong."

See ya in Section 1. :)

don't rub it in, yo.

[justink]

I would highly doubt a first day account pulled 19 row D. I'd check the facts ...

i know the facts, because they're MY TIX.

:lol I don't know how to say it, other than "you are wrong."

See ya in Section 1. :)

no, "you are wrong."

just because you scored good seats does not negate the fact that other people (first day members) did not, thus making N2 NON-SENIORITY by definition. "ignorance is bliss" doesn't really work when discussing seat locations and what not.

and i'll be using my other seats. see ya in Section 5 Row F. :)

[DMBzilla]

Hey justink, any extras for N2? :D

[RiotAct]

i know the facts, because they're MY TIX.



no, "you are wrong."

just because you scored good seats does not negate the fact that other people (first day members) did not, thus making N2 NON-SENIORITY by definition. "ignorance is bliss" doesn't really work when discussing seat locations and what not.

and i'll be using my other seats. see ya in Section 5 Row F. :)

wait... you were complaining about pulling 19 D for SPAC N2, and yet you also have 5 F?????

:twak :twak :twak :twak :twak

:twak

[DMBzilla]

wait... you were complaining about pulling 19 D for SPAC N2, and yet you also have 5 F?????

I don't think he was complaining so much as making a case that SPAC N2 was not seated by seniority.

Also, I think he wants to sell me that pair in 19 D.

[ComeNDnceWithMe]

just because you scored good seats does not negate the fact that other people (first day members) did not, thus making N2 NON-SENIORITY by definition. "ignorance is bliss" doesn't really work when discussing seat locations and what not.

You're the only person I've seen across five different message boards that is saying SPAC N2 is not seniority. The WH even posts what nights are seniority and what nights are random (SPAC N2 listed as seniority). I mean, your seats might not be what you anticipated, but that certainly doesn't mean it was random.

Anyone else want to claim SPAC N2 was not seniority?

[ExistenceNow]

wait... you were complaining about pulling 19 D for SPAC N2, and yet you also have 5 F?????

:twak :twak :twak :twak :twak

:twak



4 people.

He's not going by himself.

[justink]

Hey justink, any extras for N2? :D

i wish man... we need two pair of N1's lest we be partying on the lawn. taping from the lawn, sucks though.

wait... you were complaining about pulling 19 D for SPAC N2, and yet you also have 5 F?????

:twak :twak :twak :twak :twak

:twak

yup. they only let you order 2 tix at spac. we have 4 people. so, we'll have one pair down low and one pair in the rafters/balcony. it sucks, but whatever...

we still need N1. :p

[RiotAct]

I don't think he was complaining so much as making a case that SPAC N2 was not seated by seniority.

Also, I think he wants to sell me that pair in 19 D.

I think you're right! :D

EDIT: nevermind :(

[ExistenceNow]

You're the only person I've seen across five different message boards that is saying SPAC N2 is not seniority. The WH even posts what nights are seniority and what nights are random (SPAC N2 listed as seniority). I mean, your seats might not be what you anticipated, but that certainly doesn't mean it was random.

Anyone else want to claim SPAC N2 was not seniority?


WH can say whatever they want, and maybe they just suck at math, but it seems quite odd that two accounts that existed on the exact same day are separated by like 30 rows on a "seniority" night.

[RiotAct]

yup. they only let you order 2 tix at spac. we have 4 people. so, we'll have one pair down low and one pair in the rafters/balcony. it sucks, but whatever...

we still need N1. :p

Is one of those 4 people DMBZilla? ;)

And how do you guys decide who gets which pair? Fight to the death? If so, can I watch? I'll be at Moreau Lake til like, 5:30

[justink]

You're the only person I've seen across five different message boards that is saying SPAC N2 is not seniority. The WH even posts what nights are seniority and what nights are random (SPAC N2 listed as seniority). I mean, your seats might not be what you anticipated, but that certainly doesn't mean it was random.

Anyone else want to claim SPAC N2 was not seniority?

no they don't. they never have, and they never will. you can call them up, ask for anne and she won't even tell you on the phone, one on one.

also, it's not always the same night on a multiple night stand. they switch it up.

Gorge N1 was seniority, N2, N3 random this year. if Gorge was only 2 nights rather than 3, there wouldn't have been any seniority.

SPAC didn't get any seniority... as evident.

these are all facts coming from another mailing list where most everyone is a first year, if not first day member and we share what we got to see what's what. so far, these are the facts/results.

[RiotAct]

so, why would the Warehouse blatantly lie in their news posting on the Tickets page??? Sadistic humor?

[ExistenceNow]

Is one of those 4 people DMBZilla? ;)

And how do you guys decide who gets which pair? Fight to the death? If so, can I watch? I'll be at Moreau Lake til like, 5:30


:lol

We were just talking about that. It's me, my wife, Justin and another friend. The other friend thinks she's getting the other lower ticket by default, cuz my wife and I are going to sit together.


Justin and I are thinking we kick the ladies to the balcony and take the good seats ourselves. :evil

[ComeNDnceWithMe]

no they don't. they never have, and they never will. you can call them up, ask for anne and she won't even tell you on the phone, one on one.

also, it's not always the same night on a multiple night stand. they switch it up.

Gorge N1 was seniority, N2, N3 random this year. if Gorge was only 2 nights rather than 3, there wouldn't have been any seniority.

SPAC didn't get any seniority... as evident.

these are all facts coming from another mailing list where most everyone is a first year, if not first day member and we share what we got to see what's what. so far, these are the facts/results.

What an epic fail of a post.

This is straight from the Ticketing Home Page:

For the majority of shows, seating assignments were processed by seniority. The shows on the first night of a two-night run in the same city were assigned at random and the second night shows were assigned by seniority. The Friday September 3rd Gorge show was assigned at random and the Saturday September 4th and Sunday September 5th Gorge shows were assigned by seniority.

All Night 2's were seniority (SPAC included), and Gorge N2 and N3 were seniority while N1 was random - a complete opposite to what you posted and supposedly read on your "mailing list." :lol

So yeah, you had zero facts correct in your post.

[DMBzilla]

so, why would the Warehouse blatantly lie in their news posting on the Tickets page??? Sadistic humor?

Why would the Warehouse completely eliminate seniority from getting tickets in the section closest to the stage??? Sadistic humor?

[ComeNDnceWithMe]

I think justink lost all credibility with his last post ...

[ExistenceNow]

I think justink lost all credibility with his last post ...


The WH are the ones who gave two people with the exact same account day seats 30+ rows apart. FACT.


If I put out a mass email saying I'm a vegetarian, then a picture surfaces of me face deep in a pile of chicken wings, what are you going to believe, my quote, or the picture?


Of course, it's possible that I'm an idiot and just thought chickens were made of vegetables, as it's possible that the WH just sucks at figuring out seniority... but facts are facts. Words are words.

[ExistenceNow]

Why would the Warehouse completely eliminate seniority from getting tickets in the section closest to the stage??? Sadistic humor?


:lol :thumbsup

[manderso]

I got Gorge pit. I'm pleased. I'm not a member.

[ComeNDnceWithMe]

I mean, it's possible a mistake was made when assigning your seats. But that doesn't change the fact that SPAC N2 was seniority.

[GrooGrux420]

I think justink lost all credibility with his last post ...
His credibility went out the window a loooooonnnnnnnnnggggggggg time ago.
The WH are the ones who gave two people with the exact same account day seats 30+ rows apart. FACT.


If I put out a mass email saying I'm a vegetarian, then a picture surfaces of me face deep in a pile of chicken wings, what are you going to believe, my quote, or the picture?


Of course, it's possible that I'm an idiot and just thought chickens were made of vegetables, as it's possible that the WH just sucks at figuring out seniority... but facts are facts. Words are words.
:lol :lol :lol :lol

[ExistenceNow]

I got Gorge pit. I'm pleased. I'm not a member.


:lol Thanks for the contribution.

[RiotAct]

:lol

We were just talking about that. It's me, my wife, Justin and another friend. The other friend thinks she's getting the other lower ticket by default, cuz my wife and I are going to sit together.


Justin and I are thinking we kick the ladies to the balcony and take the good seats ourselves. :evil

I don't know man, women have their ways of getting revenge on people!


Why would the Warehouse completely eliminate seniority from getting tickets in the section closest to the stage??? Sadistic humor?

Call them and ask, I don't know. Be sure to swear a lot

[RiotAct]

I got Gorge pit. I'm pleased. I'm not a member.

cool

[Benny003]

I mean, it's possible a mistake was made when assigning your seats. But that doesn't change the fact that SPAC N2 was seniority.

I was told my 2002 account seats for SPAC N2 are better than a 12/98 account's seats. What's the explanation exactly if it was done by seniority?

Also, my wife's 2005 account got seats 10 rows closer than my 2002 account for N2 of Alpine (same section, mine even say uncovered, which means they are not close to center either). Explain that if it was done by seniority.

[ExistenceNow]

I don't know man, women have their ways of getting revenge on people!




Call them and ask, I don't know. Be sure to swear a lot



For sure. It doesn't help that Justin and I are hitting the Mansfield shows by ourselves. I'm hoping the ol' "They're Justin's tickets, so he picks his seat buddy" line works... but I have a feeling my wife will remove a testicle when I bring it up... might be worth it for N2 SPAC though. :lol

[DMBzilla]

Call them and ask, I don't know. Be sure to swear a lot

I did, several weeks back. I was nice as hell about it but expressed my point and the woman got very snippy with me and started stating incorrect facts (like that pit seating has been random for 8 years). Then she finally said the band wanted GA up front and that management wanted to make it random, and basically hung up on me. This was right after the new policy was announced, so I'm sure she got a million calls about it, but still.

I'm just fuming right now at how shitty my overall pull was this year. I'm fine with the lottery for tickets being entirely random, but I hate the way they do seating because they never do it right when they have the chance. It was like the Beacon show -- they could have just seated the entire venue by seniority, but for some terrible reason they decided to split it up into Orchestra, Lower Balcony and Upper Balcony and seat by seniority within each tier, so my seats were in the fucking rafters while all the other '98 members I knew who were confirmed for orchestra were in the 2nd and 3rd rows.

Luckily, a long day of waiting at the box office resulted in killer dead center seats in the Loge (which prior to the show was reserved for celebrities and VIPs -- I sat like 30 feet away from Mark Sanchez, and supposedly other big wigs were there too who I didn't see or recognize).

[justink]

What an epic fail of a post.

This is straight from the Ticketing Home Page:



All Night 2's were seniority (SPAC included), and Gorge N2 and N3 were seniority while N1 was random - a complete opposite to what you posted and supposedly read on your "mailing list." :lol

So yeah, you had zero facts correct in your post.

my mistake, Gorge N1 is random. it changed from N2 (normally random). that's what i meant. so yeah, the seniority nights never remain the same year to year, or even venue to venue.

but the fact that the wh posted something on their website before the lottery has nothing to do with what they actually did and the results that came out today. the facts are the facts, and the results back that up... see below:

I was told my 2002 account seats for SPAC N2 are better than a 12/98 account's seats. What's the explanation exactly if it was done by seniority?

Also, my wife's 2005 account got seats 10 rows closer than my 2002 account for N2 of Alpine (same section, mine even say uncovered, which means they are not close to center either). Explain that if it was done by seniority.

you can't explain it because SPAC was no seniority. period. there's much more evidence supporting that than just a blurb on a buried page on the wh that was posted months ago.

[thornhilldmbfan]

no they don't. they never have, and they never will. you can call them up, ask for anne and she won't even tell you on the phone, one on one.



i completely agree. wh will never tell you if a show has seniority whether it is a 2 night stand or a one and done. it even states that in their guidelines. day one member also who got screwed on a lot of shows. i know 2003 and beyond members who requested darien and got better seats then me. i think the majority of shows were done randomly with no seniority.

[ComeNDnceWithMe]

Ah, the level of intelligence in this thread is entertaining to say the least. I think I'll move on ...

[ExistenceNow]

Ah, the level of intelligence in this thread is entertaining to say the least. I think I'll move on ...


You're basing your entire premise on a quote from the WH. We're basing our entire premise on the seats the WH ACTUALLY GAVE US.


So yea, please move on, as the level of intelligence in this thread is far above your level of comprehension.

[thornhilldmbfan]

Ah, the level of intelligence in this thread is entertaining to say the least. I think I'll move on ...

please call the wh on monday or tuesday and ask them which nights were seniority. i would like to hear your answer

[DMBzilla]

Ah, the level of intelligence in this thread is entertaining to say the least. I think I'll move on ...

There are many, many discrepancies just in the posts here now that refute the notion that every N2 and most one offs were seniority. There have been quite a few instances so far of new members getting better seats than old members for the same shows, and of people with the same member years (or even days) getting vastly different seats.

I'm a day one and pulled 100 row J for Camden N2. I normally sit in the pit for seniority shows at Camden, and figured that at worst I'd be 8-12 rows back in a center section. Instead I'm 12 rows back jammed off to the side where I likely won't even see the full stage. Do you expect me to believe that every single person in the first 15 rows of Sections 101-103 have a better member number than me?

[ExistenceNow]

There are many, many discrepancies just in the posts here now that refute the notion that every N2 and most one offs were seniority. There have been quite a few instances so far of new members getting better seats than old members for the same shows, and of people with the same member years (or even days) getting vastly different seats.

I'm a day one and pulled 100 row J for Camden N2. I normally sit in the pit for seniority shows at Camden, and figured that at worst I'd be 8-12 rows back in a center section. Instead I'm 12 rows back jammed off to the side where I likely won't even see the full stage. Do you expect me to believe that every single person in the first 15 rows of Sections 101-103 have a better member number than me?


but, but, the WH said...

[thornhilldmbfan]

There are many, many discrepancies just in the posts here now that refute the notion that every N2 and most one offs were seniority. There have been quite a few instances so far of new members getting better seats than old members for the same shows, and of people with the same member years (or even days) getting vastly different seats.

I'm a day one and pulled 100 row J for Camden N2. I normally sit in the pit for seniority shows at Camden, and figured that at worst I'd be 8-12 rows back in a center section. Instead I'm 12 rows back jammed off to the side where I likely won't even see the full stage. Do you expect me to believe that every single person in the first 15 rows of Sections 101-103 have a better member number than me?

to go along with this post, i am a day 1 member. requested darien. i am in the back of the 200 level. how many people that joined the wh on the first day requested darien tix? i am guessing every single one

[justink]

Ah, the level of intelligence in this thread is entertaining to say the least. I think I'll move on ...

Probably a good idea seeing as you have nothing to contribute or any valid facts to back up your statement.

Feel free to come back if/when you do. But that won't happen. :goat

[ComeNDnceWithMe]

There are many, many discrepancies just in the posts here now that refute the notion that every N2 and most one offs were seniority. There have been quite a few instances so far of new members getting better seats than old members for the same shows, and of people with the same member years (or even days) getting vastly different seats.

I'm a day one and pulled 100 row J for Camden N2. I normally sit in the pit for seniority shows at Camden, and figured that at worst I'd be 8-12 rows back in a center section. Instead I'm 12 rows back jammed off to the side where I likely won't even see the full stage. Do you expect me to believe that every single person in the first 15 rows of Sections 101-103 have a better member number than me?

Yes, this is exactly what you should believe. You have a 19,xxx account. That is is almost the "worst" "Day 1" account one can have. I think the cutoff for the first day was around 21,xxx. There are hundreds of members with a better number of you, many of whom live on the east coast. Camden is a popular venue. So, between V.I.P. tickets, venue season tickets, promoter and band holds, and fan club allotments, your 19,xxx account is good distance down in the pecking order, or at least farther than you twisted perception has come to expect.

To put it in perspective, a 12,xxx account typically pulls PIT row P2 at Camden. This year, it pulled 102 row E, a difference of 11 rows (P3 through 102 E). Also, keep in mind that members could request up to (4) tickets for Camden. So, perhaps many people with a better number than you ordered (4). This pushes you back even further yet. Combine all those factors and it's really not that hard to comprehend while you are in 100 row J or certainly not within the first 15 rows center.

[RiotAct]

chillax

[kfpoling]

Yes, this is exactly what you should believe. You have a 19,xxx account. That is is almost the "worst" "Day 1" account one can have. I think the cutoff for the first day was around 21,xxx. There are hundreds of members with a better number of you, many of whom live on the east coast. Camden is a popular venue. So, between V.I.P. tickets, venue season tickets, promoter and band holds, and fan club allotments, your 19,xxx account is good distance down in the pecking order, or at least farther than you twisted perception has come to expect.

To put it in perspective, a 12,xxx account typically pulls PIT row P2 at Camden. This year, it pulled 102 row E, a difference of 11 rows (P3 through 102 E). Also, keep in mind that members could request up to (4) tickets for Camden. So, perhaps many people with a better number than you ordered (4). This pushes you back even further yet. Combine all those factors and it's really not that hard to comprehend while you are in 100 row J or certainly not within the first 15 rows center.
what got 6th row pit for both nights last year got me 201 row K for n1 and 104 row j for n2

[ComeNDnceWithMe]

what got 6th row pit for both nights last year got me 201 row K for n1 and 104 row j for n2

Sounds exactly right. The account number is a high 15,xxx too. Probably in the range of 15,7xx - 16,0xx.

Last year, a 15,6xx account pulled 5th row Pit Camden N2. This year it is 104 row D for N2.

Thanks for supporting my point :)

[justink]

Yes, this is exactly what you should believe. You have a 19,xxx account. That is is almost the "worst" "Day 1" account one can have. I think the cutoff for the first day was around 21,xxx. There are hundreds of members with a better number of you, many of whom live on the east coast. Camden is a popular venue. So, between V.I.P. tickets, venue season tickets, promoter and band holds, and fan club allotments, your 19,xxx account is good distance down in the pecking order, or at least farther than you twisted perception has come to expect.

To put it in perspective, a 12,xxx account typically pulls PIT row P2 at Camden. This year, it pulled 102 row E, a difference of 11 rows (P3 through 102 E). Also, keep in mind that members could request up to (4) tickets for Camden. So, perhaps many people with a better number than you ordered (4). This pushes you back even further yet. Combine all those factors and it's really not that hard to comprehend while you are in 100 row J or certainly not within the first 15 rows center.

wrong. that was N1 (random) and it was on a 123,xxx acct.

i thought accts started at 15,xxx... where did 12,xxx come from?

[ExistenceNow]

There are many, many discrepancies just in the posts here now that refute the notion that every N2 and most one offs were seniority. There have been quite a few instances so far of new members getting better seats than old members for the same shows, and of people with the same member years (or even days) getting vastly different seats.

I'm a day one and pulled 100 row J for Camden N2. I normally sit in the pit for seniority shows at Camden, and figured that at worst I'd be 8-12 rows back in a center section. Instead I'm 12 rows back jammed off to the side where I likely won't even see the full stage. Do you expect me to believe that every single person in the first 15 rows of Sections 101-103 have a better member number than me?

Yes, this is exactly what you should believe. You have a 19,xxx account. That is is almost the "worst" "Day 1" account one can have. I think the cutoff for the first day was around 21,xxx. There are hundreds of members with a better number of you, many of whom live on the east coast. Camden is a popular venue. So, between V.I.P. tickets, venue season tickets, promoter and band holds, and fan club allotments, your 19,xxx account is good distance down in the pecking order, or at least farther than you twisted perception has come to expect.

To put it in perspective, a 12,xxx account typically pulls PIT row P2 at Camden. This year, it pulled 102 row E, a difference of 11 rows (P3 through 102 E). Also, keep in mind that members could request up to (4) tickets for Camden. So, perhaps many people with a better number than you ordered (4). This pushes you back even further yet. Combine all those factors and it's really not that hard to comprehend while you are in 100 row J or certainly not within the first 15 rows center.


Ignoring facts again.


If you're bold were absolutely true concerning his seniority, he would have experienced the same lack of seniority last year and the year before. His bold clearly states the opposite though, that this year is unique.

[ComeNDnceWithMe]

wrong. that was N1 (random) and it was on a 123,xxx acct.

I'm referencing a friend's results from last year and this year.

Last year = PIT row P2
This year = 102 row E

... a difference of 11 rows.

[DMBzilla]

So, between V.I.P. tickets, venue season tickets, promoter and band holds, and fan club allotments, your 19,xxx account is good distance down in the pecking order, or at least farther than you twisted perception has come to expect.

My Camden seniority history...

2001 -- P7, 102 B, P6
2002 -- P6
2003 -- P5
2004 -- P6
2005 -- didn't get WH tix for seniority night
2006 -- P6
2007 -- didn't get WH tix for seniority night
2008 -- P7
2009 -- P5

Real far down there, huh?

To put it in perspective, a 12,xxx account typically pulls PIT row P2 at Camden. This year, it pulled 102 row E, a difference of 11 rows (P3 through 102 E). Also, keep in mind that members could request up to (4) tickets for Camden. So, perhaps many people with a better number than you ordered (4). This pushes you back even further yet. Combine all those factors and it's really not that hard to comprehend while you are in 100 row J or certainly not within the first 15 rows center.

The first 15 rows behind the pit in 101, 102 and 103 at Camden hold roughly 700 people. The seated Pit at Camden holds approximately 350 people, and somehow I was always in that pool for seniority shows, including last year when you could also request 4 tickets.

So, if I always pulled tickets in the first 350 people, how would I not pull tickets this year in the first 700? Simple -- they either didn't seat by straight seniority, or the Warehouse considers 100 J to be better than 102 Q.

[ComeNDnceWithMe]

Ignoring facts again.


If you're bold were absolutely true concerning his seniority, he would have experienced the same lack of seniority last year and the year before. His bold clearly states the opposite though, that this year is unique.

:lol

See my post right above yours ...

http://antsmarching.org/forum/showpost.php?p=10952598&postcount=76

[kfpoling]

I'm referencing a friend's results from last year and this year.

Last year = PIT row P2
This year = 102 row E

... a difference of 11 rows.
dmbzilla and i are in 100 and 104 J
much worse than 102 J

[ComeNDnceWithMe]

or the Warehouse considers 100 J to be better than 102 Q.

This is quite possible you know ...

A 15,xxx account has 104 row D for Camden N2 this year. Had 5th row Pit last year.

[kfpoling]

This is quite possible you know ...

A 15,xxx account has 104 row D for Camden N2 this year. Had 5th row Pit last year.
so i had 6th row.. one row behind them last year
now im 5-6 rows behind them

[DMBzilla]

dmbzilla and i are in 100 and 104 J
much worse than 102 J

I think the logic must have been that 100 and 104 J were better seats than like 102 Q, which is bullshit but was probably the Warehouse's mindset. If we're both on the inside aisles, those seats should end up being pretty great, but more than 6 seats in and blah.

[RiotAct]

so in summary: the Warehouse had their workers do the seating assignments manually this spring, and made them ingest copious amounts of alcohol while doing so.

Because, it looks like they either:

a) got a much smaller allotment of tickets this year (not likely), or,

b) completely screwed the pooch

[DMBzilla]

so i had 6th row.. one row behind them last year
now im 5-6 rows behind them

Right, but if we all end up getting inside aisle seats it starts to make sense.

Either way, anyone who said that this asinine GA Pit thing wasn't going to fuck everyone hardcore was a moron. EVERYONE got fucked unless they pulled GA Pit. It's absurd.

[RiotAct]

Right, but if we all end up getting inside aisle seats it starts to make sense.

Either way, anyone who said that this asinine GA Pit thing wasn't going to fuck everyone hardcore was a moron. EVERYONE got fucked unless they pulled GA Pit. It's absurd.

hey, not everyone... I got Sec. 3 Row U for the random night of SPAC.

..... this isn't helping, is it? :lol

oh and by "random night", I mean "the night that was SUPPOSED to be random".

[kfpoling]

I think the logic must have been that 100 and 104 J were better seats than like 102 Q, which is bullshit but was probably the Warehouse's mindset. If we're both on the inside aisles, those seats should end up being pretty great, but more than 6 seats in and blah.
i was 100G on the aisle last year
it was way over to the side
this is from the middle of the aisle between 100 and 101 (row G)
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=30277542&id=1370370016
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=30277533&l=6271ef34d0&id=1370370016
(http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=30277542&id=1370370016)

[DMBzilla]

hey, not everyone... I got Sec. 3 Row U for the random night of SPAC.

..... this isn't helping, is it? :lol

Random nights don't matter at all, because anyone could get any seat in the venue. Seniority nights are where you can really see the differences, and all those morons arguing that the changes would be minor can go eat poison.

If I went from P6 to 100 J, I'd hate to be someone who normally pulled 100 R, or 102 T or something like that. Enjoy the Uppers.

[DMBzilla]

i was 100G on the aisle last year
it was way over to the side
this is from the middle of the aisle between 100 and 101 (row G)
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=30277542&id=1370370016
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=30277533&l=6271ef34d0&id=1370370016
(http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=30277542&id=1370370016)

I actually think those seats and that view would be perfectly acceptable, if I get aisle seats. With my luck I'll be 3/4 of the way toward the wall.

No matter what though, one fact is simple -- this changed fucked everyone on seniority nights, and fucked us much worse than we thought it would.

[justink]

No matter what though, one fact is simple -- this changed fucked everyone on seniority nights, and fucked us much worse than we thought it would.

this. it messed up everyone's seniority bad.

[ExistenceNow]

I actually think those seats and that view would be perfectly acceptable, if I get aisle seats. With my luck I'll be 3/4 of the way toward the wall.

No matter what though, one fact is simple -- this changed fucked everyone on seniority nights, and fucked us much worse than we thought it would.


:thumbsup


I'm amazed that even in the light of WH seat locations being released, people are still denying it.

[DMBzilla]

I'm amazed that even in the light of WH seat locations being released, people are still denying it.

I'm amazed that I'm not happy about a single seat assignment I got. This will be the first time in forever that I won't get to see the band up close once without having to shell out StubHub cash. That should never happen to a senior member.

I mean, I figured between mine and my buddy's SPAC N1 requests one of us would have pulled something decent, and instead we both ended up with seats in Section 17. :lol

[ExistenceNow]

I'm amazed that I'm not happy about a single seat assignment I got. This will be the first time in forever that I won't get to see the band up close once without having to shell out StubHub cash. That should never happen to a senior member.

I mean, I figured between mine and my buddy's SPAC N1 requests one of us would have pulled something decent, and instead we both ended up with seats in Section 17. :lol


We struck out on N1. :lorraine

[JGriffinJS]

Yes, this is exactly what you should believe. You have a 19,xxx account. That is is almost the "worst" "Day 1" account one can have. I think the cutoff for the first day was around 21,xxx. There are hundreds of members with a better number of you, many of whom live on the east coast. Camden is a popular venue. So, between V.I.P. tickets, venue season tickets, promoter and band holds, and fan club allotments, your 19,xxx account is good distance down in the pecking order, or at least farther than you twisted perception has come to expect.

To put it in perspective, a 12,xxx account typically pulls PIT row P2 at Camden. This year, it pulled 102 row E, a difference of 11 rows (P3 through 102 E). Also, keep in mind that members could request up to (4) tickets for Camden. So, perhaps many people with a better number than you ordered (4). This pushes you back even further yet. Combine all those factors and it's really not that hard to comprehend while you are in 100 row J or certainly not within the first 15 rows center.

100% correct. i have a 20XXX account. normally would get pit row 7-8 for seniority nights. in 100 K this year. that supports this theory.

[justink]

Senior member/taper:

Usually 2nd/3rd row pit...

this year:

Woodlands 101 R
Dallas 100 Y

that's a HUGE bounce back.

[justink]

From the WH FAQ:

"Warehouse Ticketing reserves the right to choose, and to not disclose,
which method of seat selections is used for each event."

[justink]

another day one member:

Woodlands 101 G
Dallas 100 W

normally 2nd/3rd row...

[jeepguy]

Section C, Row W for Indy N2.

farther back than usual and i am a day 2 WH member

[DMBRyan10]

2004 Member. I posted my history with seniority nights before...last year, 400 EE; this year, 800 PP at Hartford. Seems like 98ers got the back end of 100-300, and then 99-03 was from 400 on up.

I'll be using the AmEx presale seats instead: 300 Row M.

[barefoot]

I'm amazed that I'm not happy about a single seat assignment I got. This will be the first time in forever that I won't get to see the band up close once without having to shell out StubHub cash. That should never happen to a senior member.

I mean, I figured between mine and my buddy's SPAC N1 requests one of us would have pulled something decent, and instead we both ended up with seats in Section 17. :lol

If your in row G Ill see you there :lol ( Jan 02 acct if you are wondering..)

[DMBzilla]

If your in row G Ill see you there :lol ( Jan 02 acct if you are wondering..)

I actually have two pairs -- one in Row D and the other in Row G. I'll be using the Row D's, however.

[dmbphish]

Worst seats I have ever received.. member since Dec 1998.. Usually always within the first 15 rows.. Now Im at least 40 rows back for the two shows I can go to.. This is Crazy!!!

[dmbgranny]

I joined the first day Warehouse was open (98 I believe), and usually get good seats. Last year I had first 4 rows for both Fenway shows. In years past, there were some 2 night stands where I'd get great seats (top 10 rows) for one show and then average seats for the other. This year, at Comcast Center, I'm in back of Section 7 (around 65-70th row from stage) one night, and back of Section 8 (70th or so row- way far left) the other. BRUTAL

[rickyh24]

This will be the closest I have ever been.