Like Busted Stuff?

[groogrux27]

So i've been thinking a lot about whether this album will be new, old, or mixed stuff and i cant help but think its like busted stuff. the lillywhite sessions happened, they scrapped it, went and recorded everyday, had all of these old tunes right? people wanted the old tunes so they went in and recorded em again, had a few new ones like you never know, but basically the old stuff. and this just seems like that, they recorded busted stuff pretty quick, theyve been recording this new one pretty quick. id love to see new tunes or the old tunes so i dont really care what comes out, but i just was drawing a lotve comparisons to busted stuff. what do u guys think?

[LadyMadonna68]

the way you spelled 'a lot of' kills me, it absolutely kills me

[groogrux27]

^ um sorry? haha didnt know that wasnt a correct contraction *a lot of* good?

[hmich176]

Busted Stuff was recorded only because tLWS leaked and people loved that a hell of a lot more than Everyday.

EDIT: And, there is no contraction of "a lot of." It's 3 words consisting of 5 letters. There's no need for a contraction.

[BrotherChaos420]

i feel a lotve love here.

[groogrux27]

alright alright sorry sorry! haha. and i realize that im just thinking that it feels very similar to that and am therefore expecting more old tunes than new

[sheldonlevene]

This has been brought up a whole bunch in the other threads. Truth is we simply don't know yet.

[hmich176]

I think we'll have 9 new tunes and 4 old tunes. That's my guess. And of those old tunes, I'm guessing 2 we'll know and 2 will have been teased / soundchecked / unknown.

[McCall1981]

There are definitely some similarities to the Busted Stuff situation, but I'd prefer mostly new songs.

Love the older ones too though

[LadyMadonna68]

i think the album will consistve alotve new stuff, not alotve old stuff, and someve it will sound like it came offve big whiskey

[bibby1044]

1 + 3 + 2 = 5

[hmich176]

There are definitely some similarities to the Busted Stuff situation

How so? I don't see any, other than it involves DMB.

[PWall]

gotta whole lotve love

[jaymas9]

They didn't record this quickly. They recorded BW at a snails pace.

[jaymas9]

There are definitely some similarities to the Busted Stuff situation, but I'd prefer mostly new songs.

Love the older ones too thoughThere are no similarities, except the false belief that the band recorded quickly (they didn't), and therefore this must be old songs because they recorded quickly (which would be a great theory...but they didn't record quickly). They recorded in a normal amount of time for once.

[vklugf]

There are no similarities, except the false belief that the band recorded quickly (they didn't), and therefore this must be old songs because they recorded quickly (which would be a great theory...but they didn't record quickly). They recorded in a normal amount of time for once.

But if they have a recent history of long record sessions, one can say that they recorded this album pretty quickly, no?

[nbroscoff]

Bottom line is that if the new album is lke BS in the sense that it is as good as BS I will be happy.

[McCall1981]

There are no similarities, except the false belief that the band recorded quickly (they didn't), and therefore this must be old songs because they recorded quickly (which would be a great theory...but they didn't record quickly). They recorded in a normal amount of time for once.

I just meant things came together very quickly and smoothly considering it's DMB (no aborted sesssions, no change of producer, no "we're going back into the studio after the tour" etc).

I think it'll be mostly new songs

[evino526]

There are no similarities, except the false belief that the band recorded quickly (they didn't), and therefore this must be old songs because they recorded quickly (which would be a great theory...but they didn't record quickly). They recorded in a normal amount of time for once.

Wouldn't that mean they recorded quickly for DMB? I don't think that because they recorded 'quickly' or in a normal amount of time directly translates into the album having old songs. I think it just means that they went in to the studio prepared and with material. Whether that material is stuff that we've heard before or stuff that we haven't is still all up in the air.

[jaymas9]

But if they have a recent history of long record sessions, one can say that they recorded this album pretty quickly, no?For dmb...sure, but not in the normal realm of recording. But I think they obviously had a lot of other issues that led to long recording processes in the past as well.

[jaymas9]

I just meant things came together very quickly and smoothly considering it's DMB (no aborted sesssions, no change of producer, no "we're going back into the studio after the tour" etc).

I think it'll be mostly new songsYes, I agree with this.

[jaymas9]

Wouldn't that mean they recorded quickly for DMB? I don't think that because they recorded 'quickly' or in a normal amount of time directly translates into the album having old songs. I think it just means that they went in to the studio prepared and with material. Whether that material is stuff that we've heard before or stuff that we haven't is still all up in the air.They wrote and "created" for 4 weeks. They could have come in with nothing. 4 weeks is a lot of time. I think they came in focused with a great producer (not that Cavallo is bad, he isn't, and he had the task of restoring the band's confidence, which he did) and that's why this has taken a normal amount of time.

[BruceW]

They wrote and "created" for 4 weeks. They could have come in with nothing. 4 weeks is a lot of time. I think they came in focused with a great producer (not that Cavallo is bad, he isn't, and he had the task of restoring the band's confidence, which he did) and that's why this has taken a normal amount of time.

Ants needs a "Like" option...bc i "Like" this

[kitkatcarter]

Love how everyone assumes that their theories are what actually happened. The truth is, no one knows what went down in the studio this time, no one knows what songs are/have been recorded. Their can't be a correct comparison between this album and Busted Stuff because we don't have enough information.

[jaymas9]

Love how everyone assumes that their theories are what actually happened. The truth is, no one knows what went down in the studio this time, no one knows what songs are/have been recorded. Their can't be a correct comparison between this album and Busted Stuff because we don't have enough information.I don't assume my theory is correct, but mine has a lot more evidence supporting it. Because

A. They did not record quickly in the normal world of how long recording takes

B. The fact that horns were tracked in 6 hours means absolutely nothing to anyone who knows anything about a recording process

C. DMB has no recent history of putting old finished/nearly finished tracks on records after they were passed over for other records.

D. The band probably didn't bring Steve Lillywhite back to record what amounts to a b-sides record.

Sorry, but with everything we know, it is far more likely that, they came in focused, with a great producer, and things really hit stride. Hell, maybe they had some ideas, because they had a year off. But that is so much more likely than..."we decided to record a bunch of finished songs that we've played live before."

Could there be a couple of tracks that are old? I have no idea. But more than likely when looking at the facts we do know, recent track records regarding band mindset with old material, and a brand new/old producer...this album will be mostly new material. Plus honestly, who actually thinks they have written enough good nearly finished songs in the last 10 years to make a record better than BW, let alone a Lillywhite quality record? The answer is....they don't.

[bibby1044]

^ I agree with you for the most part but Dave did say they didnt pick the best songs for BW simply because Roi didnt have a chance to play on them so who knows what songs he was referring to or if they are even actually better than the ones we got. But then again since we never heard them we can still consider those completely new.

[Darth Id]

To answer the question that the thread title seems to ask:

No. No I don't.

[ebrread003]

Here's my input:

Dave said something along the lines of, 'I hope to have some new music to play for you all next year!'

This indicates he's, in a sense, bored of playing a lot of the songs. He's still feeling creative, both lyrically and musically. He means new and not 'dug up from unreleased archives'.

I can see Shotgun, Blackjack, and Idea of You making it on... but I can also see them not! Blackjack may not come together how they'd like. It's kind of like a mess, as Why I Am was before it got it's groove.

Sweet, IMO, will definitely be on it, probably with surrounding instruments like sax, and a mellow drum beat. Maybe some sparse Boyd, too.

That's all I can say, but I'm sure they had a lot of new ideas they wanted to try out, and they new Mr. Steve could execute them or even help them perfect them.

[vklugf]

I don't assume my theory is correct, but mine has a lot more evidence supporting it. Because

A. They did not record quickly in the normal world of how long recording takes

B. The fact that horns were tracked in 6 hours means absolutely nothing to anyone who knows anything about a recording process

C. DMB has no recent history of putting old finished/nearly finished tracks on records after they were passed over for other records.

D. The band probably didn't bring Steve Lillywhite back to record what amounts to a b-sides record.

Sorry, but with everything we know, it is far more likely that, they came in focused, with a great producer, and things really hit stride. Hell, maybe they had some ideas, because they had a year off. But that is so much more likely than..."we decided to record a bunch of finished songs that we've played live before."

Could there be a couple of tracks that are old? I have no idea. But more than likely when looking at the facts we do know, recent track records regarding band mindset with old material, and a brand new/old producer...this album will be mostly new material. Plus honestly, who actually thinks they have written enough good nearly finished songs in the last 10 years to make a record better than BW, let alone a Lillywhite quality record? The answer is....they don't.

Sorry, but just to play devil's advocate here for a second... There's not "more evidence supporting your theory" at all. Just as an exercise based on your 4 points:

A) One can say they recorded quickly on the world of DMB, and that's what counts here.
B) I agree with you on this one. But taking 6 hours also doesnt mean that the songs are new, so this evidence is irrelevant.
C) DMB has a history of putting old songs on albums, and we have already discussed this on the other thread. If you consider recent history on this one, you also have to consider their recent history of taking too long othe studio on evidence A.
D) "Probably" is no sign of evidence. It's just your opinion, as someone else can say that "Lillywhite would be the right producer to bring in if they wanted to record and improve songs they've never been able to finish.
E) And we can also add to the list that interview where Dave said he wanted to record a "live not live" album with their old live songs.

I'm not saying that you are right or wrong, I'm just saying that telling everybody your theory is the most plausible, at this point, is kind of ridiculous. No one knows for sure. ;)

[Mattardz]

In the interview with rashawn, I'm fairly certain he mentioned that they reviewed live drum tracks to capture more of a live sound for the album. Wouldn't this mean that at least some of the songs must have been previously played live? Or did he just mean they were using the live sound as a reference point?

[jaymas9]

Sorry, but just to play devil's advocate here for a second... There's not "more evidence supporting your theory" at all. Just as an exercise based on your 4 points:

A) One can say they recorded quickly on the world of DMB, and that's what counts here.
B) I agree with you on this one. But taking 6 hours also doesnt mean that the songs are new, so this evidence is irrelevant.
C) DMB has a history of putting old songs on albums, and we have already discussed this on the other thread. If you consider recent history on this one, you also have to consider their recent history of taking too long othe studio on evidence A.
D) "Probably" is no sign of evidence. It's just your opinion, as someone else can say that "Lillywhite would be the right producer to bring in if they wanted to record and improve songs they've never been able to finish.
E) And we can also add to the list that interview where Dave said he wanted to record a "live not live" album with their old live songs.

I'm not saying that you are right or wrong, I'm just saying that telling everybody your theory is the most plausible, at this point, is kind of ridiculous. No one knows for sure. ;)They haven't done that since 1998...and it was one song. And I wouldn't count the first two albums, because well, they had to have something to work with intially, so the songs weren't really old so to speak. And that alone is enough plausible evidence. And no, recording quickly "in the world of dmb." is not what counts here. BTCS was all new songs save for 1, and honestly the time frames are pretty similar...tLWS were getting stretched out because of the obvious tensions. The last time they worked with LIllywhite, with a clean slate, BTCS...the album took a normal amount of time. The one fact we do have recently is...they don't put nearly finished songs on records 6-8 years after they debut, especially after they were passed over for other records. It happened once with halloween, and honestly it was only 5 years after it's debut.

[jaymas9]

They don't make full albums with old, nearly finished, unreleased songs...they have never done that. The first two albums don't count...because the songs weren't old, they were the bands catalog, UTTAD and Crash were the first two albums. I've said time and time again, is it in the realm of possibility that a couple old tunes show up...it sure is. But I don't see the band completely changing their MO of the last decade regarding live tunes. There's no reason they would.

[bibby1044]

In the interview with rashawn, I'm fairly certain he mentioned that they reviewed live drum tracks to capture more of a live sound for the album. Wouldn't this mean that at least some of the songs must have been previously played live? Or did he just mean they were using the live sound as a reference point?
I take that as they listened to how the drums sounded live and tryed to recreate that sound in the studio. Not any particular song or songs but just the overall feeling to capture the live experience.

[evino526]

I take that as they listened to how the drums sounded live and tryed to recreate that sound in the studio. Not any particular song or songs but just the overall feeling to capture the live experience.

I think what he meant is that rather than tracking the drums with Carter playing alone to a rough cut of a song, they tracked drums as the whole band was playing along.

[evino526]

They don't make full albums with old, nearly finished, unreleased songs...they have never done that. The first two albums don't count...because the songs weren't old, they were the bands catalog, UTTAD and Crash were the first two albums. I've said time and time again, is it in the realm of possibility that a couple old tunes show up...it sure is. But I don't see the band completely changing their MO of the last decade regarding live tunes. There's no reason they would.

Full albums? No, but they came pretty damn close with Busted Stuff. You have to remember that we were never supposed to hear the Lillywhite Sessions. The songs from the Lillywhite Sessions were still played on the road a year or 2 prior to Busted Stuff being released, and when it was released, it was mostly unreleased nearly finished songs. Why couldn't they do the same for this album with unreleased songs from 04 or 06? You said so yourself that Crash and UTTAD were in the bands catalog prior to going in the studio. Maybe the band thought that these unreleased songs just needed a good ol' Lillywhite tweak and polish.

[vklugf]

They haven't done that since 1998...and it was one song. And I wouldn't count the first two albums, because well, they had to have something to work with intially, so the songs weren't really old so to speak. And that alone is enough plausible evidence. And no, recording quickly "in the world of dmb." is not what counts here. BTCS was all new songs save for 1, and honestly the time frames are pretty similar...tLWS were getting stretched out because of the obvious tensions. The last time they worked with LIllywhite, with a clean slate, BTCS...the album took a normal amount of time. The one fact we do have recently is...they don't put nearly finished songs on records 6-8 years after they debut, especially after they were passed over for other records. It happened once with halloween, and honestly it was only 5 years after it's debut.

The point I was trying to make is that we have no idea what is gonna happen. We don't know if they will follow their MO or not. We don't know if they decided that they are gonna change things this time around.

And I don't even think they have an "MO". Just to put in perspective:

- UTTAD was an album full of previously released songs
- Then they went to record Crash, with a mix of old and new songs created during the sessions
- Then they changed their sound on BTCS, finished some ideas of songs (like don't burn the pig) and came up with all the others in studio
- Then they struggled during the Lillywhite sessions, trying to come up with all new songs, took too long, and aborted the sessions
- Then Dave got together with Ballard and came up with a new album in a week, providing music sheets for the rest of the band
- Then they saw that the fans liked the LWS better than Everyday, and decided to get together and finish the songs and release it (plus 2 new songs composed in studio)
- Then They got together to chill with Batson for a while, every idea was like "that's a song!", and they came up with an album of (mostly) new songs that sucked.
- Then they got together again with Batson and the sessions where aborted once again
- Then they got together with Cavallo, with a different approach (playing jams, picking the best parts and stitching them together to make the songs.
- Then they went back to studio with Lillywhite and we have no idea how they are working, but it took a month and they are almost done.

Now tell me what is the band's MO. It seems to me that they changed it every single album they released. Why are you taking the past as an indicative of what is gonna happen this time around?

Your theory was that your "guess" was better than other people's "guesses". And my post was to show you that this is not necessarily true. My theory is that no one knows for sure what is the plan for this session. Now try to debunk this. ;)

[hmich176]

I just meant things came together very quickly and smoothly considering it's DMB (no aborted sesssions, no change of producer, no "we're going back into the studio after the tour" etc).

I think it'll be mostly new songsWe're assuming a lot here. We're assuming they didn't any work in 2011. Just because they went into the studio with Steve didn't mean they didn't have a year, two years, three years, worth of work to go into these sessions. We're also assuming that they're done with the album, which all we've heard was that Rashawn did his tracking. Maybe his parts were easy to get out of the way. From the way Steve's talked about Boyd in the past, they could be in the studio for another two months trying to track his parts! :lol

[bibby1044]

I think what he meant is that rather than tracking the drums with Carter playing alone to a rough cut of a song, they tracked drums as the whole band was playing along.
Yeah that makes even more sense.

[McCall1981]

We're assuming a lot here. We're assuming they didn't any work in 2011. Just because they went into the studio with Steve didn't mean they didn't have a year, two years, three years, worth of work to go into these sessions. We're also assuming that they're done with the album, which all we've heard was that Rashawn did his tracking. Maybe his parts were easy to get out of the way. From the way Steve's talked about Boyd in the past, they could be in the studio for another two months trying to track his parts! :lol

If this happens, but it means we get more Boyd on the album I'd take it. I miss Boyd, I'm hoping he's more prominent on this album.

[onuace135]

I dont think you can compare this too much to Lillywhite Sessions. Those were songs that were leaked and not released because of it until busted stuff. Releasing an album of songs they have played for a long time live like granny would not feel fresh or original. We already know those songs by heart and they would not evolve live the way their other songs do. They have already been full evolved.

[trippingbillie4]

Not as much as the Lillywhite Sessions

[trippingbillie4]

They don't make full albums with old, nearly finished, unreleased songs...they have never done that. The first two albums don't count...because the songs weren't old, they were the bands catalog, UTTAD and Crash were the first two albums. I've said time and time again, is it in the realm of possibility that a couple old tunes show up...it sure is. But I don't see the band completely changing their MO of the last decade regarding live tunes. There's no reason they would.

I hope you're right. There's only three song we know of that I'd like to see on the album.

[jaymas9]

Full albums? No, but they came pretty damn close with Busted Stuff. You have to remember that we were never supposed to hear the Lillywhite Sessions. The songs from the Lillywhite Sessions were still played on the road a year or 2 prior to Busted Stuff being released, and when it was released, it was mostly unreleased nearly finished songs. Why couldn't they do the same for this album with unreleased songs from 04 or 06? You said so yourself that Crash and UTTAD were in the bands catalog prior to going in the studio. Maybe the band thought that these unreleased songs just needed a good ol' Lillywhite tweak and polish.Cmon we all know, it was totally different circumstances surrounding Busted Stuff. And I think it's pretty clear most of those songs were of a different quality...and the band knows it. If the 04 and 06 songs were that good, they would have been an album already if we went off the busted stuff time frame.

[jaymas9]

The point I was trying to make is that we have no idea what is gonna happen. We don't know if they will follow their MO or not. We don't know if they decided that they are gonna change things this time around.

And I don't even think they have an "MO". Just to put in perspective:

- UTTAD was an album full of previously released songs
- Then they went to record Crash, with a mix of old and new songs created during the sessions
- Then they changed their sound on BTCS, finished some ideas of songs (like don't burn the pig) and came up with all the others in studio
- Then they struggled during the Lillywhite sessions, trying to come up with all new songs, took too long, and aborted the sessions
- Then Dave got together with Ballard and came up with a new album in a week, providing music sheets for the rest of the band
- Then they saw that the fans liked the LWS better than Everyday, and decided to get together and finish the songs and release it (plus 2 new songs composed in studio)
- Then They got together to chill with Batson for a while, every idea was like "that's a song!", and they came up with an album of (mostly) new songs that sucked.
- Then they got together again with Batson and the sessions where aborted once again
- Then they got together with Cavallo, with a different approach (playing jams, picking the best parts and stitching them together to make the songs.
- Then they went back to studio with Lillywhite and we have no idea how they are working, but it took a month and they are almost done.

Now tell me what is the band's MO. It seems to me that they changed it every single album they released. Why are you taking the past as an indicative of what is gonna happen this time around?

Your theory was that your "guess" was better than other people's "guesses". And my post was to show you that this is not necessarily true. My theory is that no one knows for sure what is the plan for this session. Now try to debunk this. ;)Well, tLWS, Everyday, Stand Up, and Big Whiskey were all new material...seems like a trend to me...and a more recent one. :) Plus we really can't use the first two albums as an example of the theory, they started as a heavy touring band, of course a bulk of their early work was going to be already existing songs. Look honestly, do you really think deep down, knowing everything you know about the dmb...that this will really be an album of nearly finished thus far unreleased tracks they have played live? And no "I don't knows." I want to know what you honestly think haha.

[vklugf]

Well, tLWS, Everyday, Stand Up, and Big Whiskey were all new material...seems like a trend to me...and a more recent one. :) Plus we really can't use the first two albums as an example of the theory, they started as a heavy touring band, of course a bulk of their early work was going to be already existing songs. Look honestly, do you really think deep down, knowing everything you know about the dmb...that this will really be an album of nearly finished thus far unreleased tracks they have played live? And no "I don't knows." I want to know what you honestly think haha.

To be honest, I believe we will have 1 or 2 old songs (Sugar Will, Shotgun, SUAD, etc), 2 or 3 old ideas turned into songs (Gas Into Fire, Falling from the roof, Some Devil intro from Radio City, stuff like that) and the rest is new new.

But anything can happen, so my guess is as good as anyone else's hehehe!

[nbroscoff]

Well, tLWS, Everyday, Stand Up, and Big Whiskey were all new material...seems like a trend to me...and a more recent one. :) Plus we really can't use the first two albums as an example of the theory, they started as a heavy touring band, of course a bulk of their early work was going to be already existing songs. Look honestly, do you really think deep down, knowing everything you know about the dmb...that this will really be an album of nearly finished thus far unreleased tracks they have played live? And no "I don't knows." I want to know what you honestly think haha.

Actually Stand Up had Hello Again on it. Sorry for being that jackass that says something. :o

[evino526]

Cmon we all know, it was totally different circumstances surrounding Busted Stuff. And I think it's pretty clear most of those songs were of a different quality...and the band knows it. If the 04 and 06 songs were that good, they would have been an album already if we went off the busted stuff time frame.

I know it's different circumstances, but I wouldn't be quick to dismiss it as a good possibility.

[camptravisr]

We have no more evidence for old songs being on the album than we did for Big Whiskey...

[groogrux27]

Well, tLWS, Everyday, Stand Up, and Big Whiskey were all new material...seems like a trend to me...and a more recent one. :) Plus we really can't use the first two albums as an example of the theory, they started as a heavy touring band, of course a bulk of their early work was going to be already existing songs. Look honestly, do you really think deep down, knowing everything you know about the dmb...that this will really be an album of nearly finished thus far unreleased tracks they have played live? And no "I don't knows." I want to know what you honestly think haha.
Key words my friend, we all have opinions and they are obviously very different, doesnt mean you have to impose your opinion on other people. I THINK that the album will have truly a mix of old and new. Yes they had the year off and we dont know of everything they do and write on their off time, but that doesnt necessarily mean that that catalog is very large. who knows maybe they really did just hang around with family and spend time with friends. nobody knows we all just think and have our opinions. i would love to see new stuff, but there are also so many songs and ideas out there that i love like gas into fire, crazy easy, shotgun, sugar will, so im really fine with anything

[jaymas9]

Actually Stand Up had Hello Again on it. Sorry for being that jackass that says something. :oHello Again was an 04 summer song put on an album released in 05...I don't know how that would fall into the category I'm talking about...songs that are far older, all of a sudden ending up on a studio album :)

[jaymas9]

Key words my friend, we all have opinions and they are obviously very different, doesnt mean you have to impose your opinion on other people. I THINK that the album will have truly a mix of old and new. Yes they had the year off and we dont know of everything they do and write on their off time, but that doesnt necessarily mean that that catalog is very large. who knows maybe they really did just hang around with family and spend time with friends. nobody knows we all just think and have our opinions. i would love to see new stuff, but there are also so many songs and ideas out there that i love like gas into fire, crazy easy, shotgun, sugar will, so im really fine with anythingIt's a message board, I'm not imposing my opinion on anyone, we're having a discussion haha. Even if they didn't hang out with their families all the time...if Dave wrote away last year...it's still all new material. Though I'd imagine a lot of creating happened in that 4 weeks, as it is a lot of time to do that in the studio.

[groogrux27]

^ya exactly i was just saying it seemed like you were doing a lot of "you guys are ridiculous for thinking that its obviously wrong" but ya i get what your saying, its just an interesting situation because at least with BW dave came out and said there would be no old tunes on the album, but theres been no announcement or anything like that yet, so who knows, its all speculation still

[nbroscoff]

Hello Again was an 04 summer song put on an album released in 05...I don't know how that would fall into the category I'm talking about...songs that are far older, all of a sudden ending up on a studio album :)

Yeah definitely doesn't fall into that category. I don't think anything pre 2006 will end up on the album. Could be wrong though.

[threedaysdwn]

1 + 3 + 2 = 5

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