The Best Recording List (Currently Showing Winter 2002)

[Joe M.]

Welcome to the Best Pull Opinion/Feedback/Source File Thread of Winter 2002.

This thread can be used to post comments about recordings and to get info on which recording is (in manys minds) the best and source file info. Also use this thread to find out when a recording has become available. So use this thread to your advantage. Get other opinions, list your opinions, and just keep track on the current recordings being spread.

Listed below is each of the played tour dates with taper info. Next to one of the pulls will be information regarding which is the best pull at this moment. If you click the tapers name the source file for that recording will come up for you to view.

If you happen to have a pull not listed here please at least send me the source file so that i can host it for others to view. My AIM screen name is JoeMal1121 and my email is Joe@antsmarching.org.

NOTE: It is very important that the tapers want you to know that this is nothing offical. Everyones opinions will differ. While I base all opinions on a computer and home stereo test of clarity, range, balance, vocals, crowd noise, and many other things these are still accurate notations. If you have any questions be sure to ask.

These are based on opinions and feedback. Every one of these recordings are good and each taper puts the same amount of work into them. We aren't saying anything bad about anyones work. We just like to pick one. But if you can download them all and listen for yourself that's what I would recommend.

Past Threads
The Best Recording List For Summer 2002 (http://www.antsmarching.org/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=25033s)

Winter 2002 Tour

12-10-02 St. Pete Times Forum Tampa, FL
Chrostowski(ccm4v) (http://gravedigger.dnsalias.org/DMB%20Winter%202002/dmb2002-12-10.ccm4v.txt)
Maler(mk41) (http://gravedigger.dnsalias.org/DMB%20Winter%202002/dmb2002-12-10.mk41.txt)

12-11-02 Philips Arena Atlanta, GA
Copher(km184) (http://gravedigger.dnsalias.org/DMB%20Winter%202002/dmb2002-12-11.km184.txt)
Fulton(at853) (http://gravedigger.dnsalias.org/DMB%20Winter%202002/dmb2002-12-11at853.txt)
Unknown (http://gravedigger.dnsalias.org/DMB%20Winter%202002/dmb2002-12-11.txt)

12-13-02 United Center Chicago, IL
Ice(ck63) (http://gravedigger.dnsalias.org/DMB%20Winter%202002/dmb2002-12-13ck63.txt)
Lincoln(mk4) (http://gravedigger.dnsalias.org/DMB%20Winter%202002/dmb2002-12-13.mk4.txt)
Weaver(mc012) (http://gravedigger.dnsalias.org/DMB%20Winter%202002/dmb2002-12-13.mc012.txt)

12-14-02 University of Illinois - Assembly Hall Champaign, IL
Fulton(at853) (http://gravedigger.dnsalias.org/DMB%20Winter%202002/dmb2002-12-14.at853.txt)
Ice(ck63) (http://gravedigger.dnsalias.org/DMB%20Winter%202002/dmb2002-12-14ck63.txt)
Travitz(mk4v) (http://gravedigger.dnsalias.org/DMB%20Winter%202002/dmb2002-12-14info.txt)
Willoughby(km140) (http://gravedigger.dnsalias.org/DMB%20Winter%202002/dmb2002-12-14km140.txt)

12-16-02 Blue Cross Arena Rochester, NY
Berner(mk4) (http://gravedigger.dnsalias.org/DMB%20Winter%202002/dmb2002-12-16.mk4.txt)
Lister(sr77) (http://gravedigger.dnsalias.org/DMB%20Winter%202002/dmb2002-12-16info.txt)
Mendelsohn(sms2000) (http://gravedigger.dnsalias.org/DMB%20Winter%202002/dmb2002-12-16.sms2000.txt)
Naylor(akg481) (http://gravedigger.dnsalias.org/DMB%20Winter%202002/dmb2002-12-16.akg481.txt)

12-17-02 Pepsi Arena Albany, NY
Berard(ck61) (http://gravedigger.dnsalias.org/DMB%20Winter%202002/dmb2002-12-17.ck61.mp2.txt)
Berner(mk4) (http://gravedigger.dnsalias.org/DMB%20Winter%202002/dmb2002-12-17.mk4.txt)
Brown(4022) (http://gravedigger.dnsalias.org/DMB%20Winter%202002/dmb2002-12-17.4022.txt)
Daniel(ccm4) (http://gravedigger.dnsalias.org/DMB%20Winter%202002/dmb2002-12-17.ccm4.txt)
Lister(sr77) (http://gravedigger.dnsalias.org/DMB%20Winter%202002/dmb2002-12-17info.txt)
Mendelsohn(sms2000) (http://gravedigger.dnsalias.org/DMB%20Winter%202002/dmb2002-12-17.sms2000.txt)
Naylor(akg481) (http://gravedigger.dnsalias.org/DMB%20Winter%202002/dmb2002-12-17.akg481.txt)

12-20-02 Madison Square Garden New York, NY
Bastable(at853) (http://gravedigger.dnsalias.org/DMB%20Winter%202002/dmb2002-12-20.at853.txt)
Brown(4022) (http://gravedigger.dnsalias.org/DMB%20Winter%202002/dmb2002-12-20.4022.txt)
Brown(4022)(mme) (http://gravedigger.dnsalias.org/DMB%20Winter%202002/dmb2002-12-20.v3.mme.txt)
Davenport(sr71) (http://gravedigger.dnsalias.org/DMB%20Winter%202002/dmb2002-12-20sr71.txt)
Haag(akg460) (http://gravedigger.dnsalias.org/DMB%20Winter%202002/dmb2002-12-20akg460.txt)
Ice(ck63) (http://gravedigger.dnsalias.org/DMB%20Winter%202002/dmb2002-12-20ck63.txt)
Maler(mk41) (http://gravedigger.dnsalias.org/DMB%20Winter%202002/dmb2002-12-20.mk41.txt)
Maler(mk41)(reconvert) (http://gravedigger.dnsalias.org/DMB%20Winter%202002/dmb2002-12-20.mk41.reconvert.txt)
Mendelsohn(sms2000) (http://gravedigger.dnsalias.org/DMB%20Winter%202002/dmb2002-12-20.sms2000.txt)
Naylor(akg481) (http://gravedigger.dnsalias.org/DMB%20Winter%202002/dmb2002-12-20.akg481.txt)

12-21-02 Madison Square Garden New York, NY
Bastable(at853) (http://gravedigger.dnsalias.org/DMB%20Winter%202002/dmb2002-12-21.at853.txt)
Behan(se300b/ck93) (http://gravedigger.dnsalias.org/DMB%20Winter%202002/dmb2002-12-21.ck93.txt)
Berard(ck61)(mp2) (http://gravedigger.dnsalias.org/DMB%20Winter%202002/dmb2002-12-21.ck61.mp2.txt)
Brown(4022) (http://gravedigger.dnsalias.org/DMB%20Winter%202002/dmb2002-12-21.4022.txt)
Haag(ck61) (http://gravedigger.dnsalias.org/DMB%20Winter%202002/dmb2002-12-21.ck61.txt)
Ice(ck63) (http://gravedigger.dnsalias.org/DMB%20Winter%202002/dmb2002-12-21ck63.txt)
Maler(mk41) (http://gravedigger.dnsalias.org/DMB%20Winter%202002/dmb2002-12-21.mk41.txt)
Mendelsohn(sms2000) (http://gravedigger.dnsalias.org/DMB%20Winter%202002/dmb2002-12-21.sms2000.txt)
Vernal(km140) (http://gravedigger.dnsalias.org/DMB%20Winter%202002/dmb2002-12-21.km140.txt)

12-22-02 MCI Center Washington, DC
Bastable(at853) (http://gravedigger.dnsalias.org/DMB%20Winter%202002/dmb2002-12-22.at853.txt)
Brown(4022) (http://gravedigger.dnsalias.org/DMB%20Winter%202002/dmb2002-12-22.4022.txt)
Ice(ck63) (http://gravedigger.dnsalias.org/DMB%20Winter%202002/dmb2002-12-22.ck63.txt)
Maler(mk41) (http://gravedigger.dnsalias.org/DMB%20Winter%202002/dmb2002-12-22.mk41.txt)
Naylor(akg481) (http://gravedigger.dnsalias.org/DMB%20Winter%202002/dmb2002-12-22.akg481.txt)
Phipps(sr71) (http://gravedigger.dnsalias.org/DMB%20Winter%202002/dmb2002-12-22.sr71.txt)
Stanfield/Lynn(4011) (http://gravedigger.dnsalias.org/DMB%20Winter%202002/dmb2002-12-22.4011.txt)
Vernal(km140) (http://gravedigger.dnsalias.org/DMB%20Winter%202002/dmb2002-12-22.km140.txt)
Wang(4022) (http://gravedigger.dnsalias.org/DMB%20Winter%202002/dmb2002-12-22.dpa4022.txt)

[Trax]

ha no sources yet... amatures...

[Ccronks]

yay Joe! you rock...

i told ya to make a new thread ;)

[Joe M.]

And we are off. First source. Less then 24 hours. Nice work Maler! You spoiled us.

[gsisak]

sounds good so far. nothing to compare it to yet.

[emmie]

Okay, i am totally new at this and if anyone would be so kind as to help me I would greatly appreciate it. I'm looking to start downloading and trading dave shows and if someone could tell me how I would love it! Thanks, emmie

[Diggin A Ditch]

to start downloading you can either download from the download page, there are servers for older shows http://www.antsmarching.org/music/servers/ or the other servers are found at http://www.archive.org/audio/etreelisting-browse.php?collection=etree&cat=Dave%20Matthews%20Band if you want to download DMB

[emmie]

I really appreciate it. I am looking for shows in particular: 12-11-02 Phillips arena, 07-09-02 Amsouth amphitheatre, and may 2001 oak mountan. Hopefully I can find them, if anyone has them e-mail me! Thanks!

[Joe M.]

Welcome to AM.org!

We have a download section here at AM.org that the staff and siteops keep up to date. It's one of the best places to download shows. You can currently download the 12-11-02 show off of the AM.org HTTP server. Just go to the home page and on the left click Download Shows.

[emmie]

i am so glad i found this place!kick ass!

[Joe M.]

Once again the tapers have been on top of their game. Amazing recordings and speeds that spoil us. Thanks guys!

[daveindy2k2]

Originally posted by Joe M.
Once again the tapers have been on top of their game. Amazing recordings and speeds that spoil us. Thanks guys!

the tapers are doing great this tour

[Ccronks]

Originally posted by daveindy2k2
the tapers are doing great this tour

when are they not great? :p

[Mike]

Naylor's 12.16 is nice :D

Its on my server and coming to other ftp servers soon, also it will be available on the http download server soon....


Mike

[daveindy2k2]

Originally posted by Ccronks
when are they not great? :p

ya you have a point

[Ccronks]

idea for this thread:

also post original md5's ;) that would help a lot of people out :)

connor

[Trax]

doesnt etree still do that?

[Ccronks]

Originally posted by Trax
doesnt etree still do that?

yes, etree also lists sources, as joe does here. it would be nice to have the all here, cause etree doesnt get updated as quickly as this thread does. i dunno, just a suggestion

[Trax]

Originally posted by Ccronks
yes, etree also lists sources, as joe does here. it would be nice to have the all here, cause etree doesnt get updated as quickly as this thread does. i dunno, just a suggestion gotcha

[gsisak]

here's willoughby's. sounds pretty damn good.

FYI: someone's posting this to the newsgroup right now

[dirwin]

I'm sort of new to the whole taping scene, but I was highly impressed that the Rochester (12/16) show was uploaded 27 or so hours after the end of the show. Personally, I find 2 weeks to be fair, if not a bit quick given that tapers have lives, too...so getting to download that show early this morning was really incredible.

Many thanks:multi

Cheers,
Dan

[Mike]

Originally posted by dirwin
I'm sort of new to the whole taping scene, but I was highly impressed that the Rochester (12/16) show was uploaded 27 or so hours after the end of the show. Personally, I find 2 weeks to be fair, if not a bit quick given that tapers have lives, too...so getting to download that show early this morning was really incredible.

Many thanks:multi

Cheers,
Dan

Well said..

Mr. Naylor did an amazing job, as always, to tape and get his recording converted, and start spreading it. Thanks Eric.

Mike

[StructureStudBo]

Im new to this, and I've been trying to download the 12.16 show and I got the first 4 songs but now it's not working for me. It's not loading the page after I click on the download tab. Any suggestions?

[Joe M.]

Originally posted by StructureStudBo
Im new to this, and I've been trying to download the 12.16 show and I got the first 4 songs but now it's not working for me. It's not loading the page after I click on the download tab. Any suggestions?

exit and re-enter.

[Mike]

Originally posted by StructureStudBo
Im new to this, and I've been trying to download the 12.16 show and I got the first 4 songs but now it's not working for me. It's not loading the page after I click on the download tab. Any suggestions?

this may be un-related, but the server was down, but now it is back up :multi

[nsuck2k1]

i have a quick question. how much discs is ice's 12.13 pull??? im trying to save discs and i want this show so if you know that would be great.

[StitDawg]

What's the call on 12/14? Ice or Willoughby? That's always a tough choice to make. Two of the best in the business.

[Ccronks]

Originally posted by StitDawg
What's the call on 12/14? Ice or Willoughby? That's always a tough choice to make. Two of the best in the business.

i like ice....i dunno why just a little clearer imo

and yeah 2 of the best in the business...along with the rest of the tapers ;)

[jacobms1]

Are you getting the 12/14 show from newsgroup? cuz I didn't see it on any of the amorg servers?

[Joe M.]

Originally posted by jacobms1
Are you getting the 12/14 show from newsgroup? cuz I didn't see it on any of the amorg servers?

Its been up on the HTTP server for a since begining of tuesday. Right now the server is down but expect it back in the morning hopefully.

[proudestmunkee]

how come there is a taper (brown) available for 12-17-02 pepsi arena, but it is not in then download section. where can i get it?
:confused:

[Ccronks]

joe - here's the txt for naylors 12/17. i havent heard it yet, though

[dr9553]

Originally posted by StitDawg
What's the call on 12/14? Ice or Willoughby? That's always a tough choice to make. Two of the best in the business.

I'm gonna have to go with Ice on this one.. More frequency response..

The Mighty Duck

[Joe M.]

Originally posted by proudestmunkee
how come there is a taper (brown) available for 12-17-02 pepsi arena, but it is not in then download section. where can i get it?
:confused:

patience

[dr9553]

yeah.. hold your horses.. it will be up in due time.. you gotta remember.. even with Broadband.. things still dont move at the speed of light :)

The Mighty Duck

[Ccronks]

Originally posted by dr9553
yeah.. hold your horses.. it will be up in due time.. you gotta remember.. even with Broadband.. things still dont move at the speed of light :)

The Mighty Duck

yes they do, silly :p

[dr9553]

HAHA.. what company uses that slogan again.. is it Qwest? I can not remember..

The mighty duck

[gsisak]

12-14-02
i prefer ice's over willoughby's. ice's sounds crisper. both are great pulls. just my two cents.

[onesweetworld15]

Hey Joe just to let ya know you linked Fulton's sources as 583's instead of 853's....I know thats menial but I didnt know if there were such things as 583's...Just curious.

Peace

Michael

[Joe M.]

Originally posted by onesweetworld15
Hey Joe just to let ya know you linked Fulton's sources as 583's instead of 853's....I know thats menial but I didnt know if there were such things as 583's...Just curious.

Peace

Michael

Thanks a lot Michael.

[gsisak]

Paul Chrostowski's 12-10-02 source

[proudestmunkee]

i know i know, i have to be patient, but i was just wondering because every other show has been on with 2 days and its been 3 so far and no pepsi yet. I was just curious, it was an amazing show...halloween tease into diggin a ditch....the stone and a solid loving wings with a carter drum solo....good stuff

[daveindy2k2]

hey joe, i have a quick question. do you think that you will have the united center and albany shows up before the end of the weekend? i am going to my grandma's in chicago and i would like to listen to these on my way up. if you can that would be great.

[Joe M.]

Originally posted by daveindy2k2
hey joe, i have a quick question. do you think that you will have the united center and albany shows up before the end of the weekend? i am going to my grandma's in chicago and i would like to listen to these on my way up. if you can that would be great.

I don't know, UC is already up but I am unable to make it viewable to the public. Everyones at MSG tonight and tomorrow and then mci so I don't know when I can get it so everyone can download it. As for Albany thanks to Fritz he will let me get it but again, it all depends on when I can get them so they are viewable. I can't say yes or no, it's out of my hands.

[daveindy2k2]

Originally posted by Joe M.
I don't know, UC is already up but I am unable to make it viewable to the public. Everyones at MSG tonight and tomorrow and then mci so I don't know when I can get it so everyone can download it. As for Albany thanks to Fritz he will let me get it but again, it all depends on when I can get them so they are viewable. I can't say yes or no, it's out of my hands.

alright joe thanks for replying and i will be hoping to have it by the end of the weekend

[Ccronks]

maler's 12/20 is out:

[Ccronks]

and maler's 12/21:

[onesweetworld15]

I think I honestly saw 15 stacks last nite, it was unbelievable. That was the most tapers that I have ever seen at a DMB show.

Peace

Michael

[moneytrain8]

It was my first live show, and it was incredible! I knew DMB allowed people to tape, but I did not realize the level at which people taped... I LOVE IT!

If anyone knows the guys who were sitting in Sec 3, Row K (right in front of us), I want a copy of that show! I want to hear the efforts of their great work!

How did I ever survive not seeing the band live?!?!?! hehe

[AustinAl]

More feedback people!

Brown's 12/21 is very solid (big surprise :rolleyes: )
Have not heard anyone elses'
Alex<--pres. Scott Brown fan club

[DmbFan4Life2001]

12.10 Maler
12.11 Fulton
12.13 Ice
12.14 Ice
12.16 Naylor
12.17 Brown
12.20 Brown
12.21 Brown
12.22 Naylor

[DmbFan4Life2001]

Heres Scott Browns source info for 12-22

Dave Matthews Band
12-22-02
MCI Center
Washington, DC

Taper: Scott Brown
Source: DPA (B&K) 4022s > Lunatec V3 @ 16/44.1 > Emagic EMI 2|6 > Apple iBook > Coaster 1.1.3 > Sound Studio 2.0.6 > shntool 1.2.0-rc1

Section 3, Row F, seat 12


DO NOT ENCODE TO MP3 OR OTHER LOSSY FORMATS


Disc 1 59:42.45

01 Intro 02:50.12
02 Don't Drink the Water Intro 02:55.60
03 Don't Drink the Water 07:53.06
04 Pig 08:41.57
05 Captain 04:11.67
06 Grace Is Gone 08:19.29
07 Everyday 09:11.28
08 Bartender 15:37.11


Disc 2 40:57.03

01 When the World Ends 05:04.03
02 Crush 13:16.38
03 The Song That Jane Likes 05:30.46
04 Grey Street 05:33.35
05 Loving Wings 06:57.69
06 Where Are You Going? 04:32.37


Disc 3 59:39.48

01 Jimi Thing 13:46.30
02 What Would You Say? 07:02.67
03 Too Much 14:36.45
Encore:
04 Christmas Song 06:22.50
05 Two Step 17:49.06



compiled by scott brown on 12-23-02

[Big Grey Ant]

Was Brown the only taper at MCI? I'm downloading one off Furthur and I haven't gotten the txt yet. The quality isn't great and I'm hoping there's another version.


Has anyone ever suggested sponsoring the tapers? These guys buy there own equipment and everything, so maybe we should at least try to hook them up with better tickets.

[AustinAl]

Originally posted by Big Grey Ant
Was Brown the only taper at MCI? I'm downloading one off Furthur and I haven't gotten the txt yet. The quality isn't great and I'm hoping there's another version.


Has anyone ever suggested sponsoring the tapers? These guys buy there own equipment and everything, so maybe we should at least try to hook them up with better tickets.

There were several tapers there. Yes the community does a pretty good job of getting the tapers in the best possible seats
Alex

[AustinAl]

Okay so I got a chance to compare Hayden Berard's 12/21 with Scott Brown's. This is going to come down to a personal preferance thing. Hayden's is very crisp-crisper than Scott's. Scott's is richer and fuller than Haydens. Butch is more pronounced on Hayden's tape-Stefan and Carter are more pronounced on Scott's (IMO). Anyway, over the years my ears have kinda gravitated to Scott's sound he gets with his equip. and again IMO it doesn't change with 12/21-I say Scott Brown.
Alex

More feedback people!

[greppson]

i wonder if naylor got 12.21... i like his pulls too..

vernal's should be appearing too, he was at at least msg night 1

[onesweetworld15]

Brown, Naylor, or Maler? Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Peace

Michael

[gsisak]

in my opinion....

12-10-02 chrostowski over malers
12-11-02 fulton only one i've heard
12-13-02 ice over lincoln and weaver
12-14-02 ice over willoughby
12-16-02 naylor over greg m
12-17-02 brown over naylors and berards
12-20-02 haag over naylors, malers, and browns
12-21-02 berards over browns, ices and haags
12-22-02 naylors over malers, ices, bastables and browns

major props to all the tapers. lots of good tapes this year. hard to decide.

[ice8888]

Dave Matthews Band
December 21st, 2002
Madison Square Garden
New York, NY

Taper: Bob Haag (Bobbo@justdmb.com)
Source: AKG 460's CK61's > MP-2 > SBM-1 > D8
Location: Sec 63, 3rd row, (Same stand as Jon Ice)

Conversion: Sony D8 > Delta DiO 2496 > Soundforge 6.0 > Cool Edit Pro > CD WaV > MKW
(Bob Haag- Bobbo@justdmb.com)

**************************************************
** THIS SHOW IS NOT TO BE MP3-ENCODED **
**************************************************

Disc One (1:12:33)
================
01: Introduction - 3:55
02: Drive In Drive Out - 6:59
03: Granny - 4:46
04: (Christmas Time Is Here) - 1:34
05: Pip - 7:27
06: What Would You Say? - 6:20
07: Grey Street - 5:32
08: Fool to Think - 4:54
09: (Loving Wings) > - 1:36
10: Where Are You Going? - 3:50
11: Seek Up -20:23
12: Digging a Ditch - 5:17


Disc Two (1:11:11)
=================
01: All Along the Watchtower -12:40
02: Grace is Gone - 8:13
03: The Space Between - 6:41
04: So Much To Say* - 4:15
05: Anyone Seen the Bridge*> - 1:25
06: Too Much*> - 4:15
07: James Brown Intro*> - 1:37
08: Sex Machine*$ -18:44
-----Encore-----
09: Halloween > - 4:24
10: Ants Marching - 8:56


* - with Karl Denson's Tiny Universe
$ - with James Brown and Friends
entire set with Butch Taylor on keys

Compiled by Bob Haag- 12-25-02

[ice8888]

Dave Matthews Band
Madison Square Garden
New York, NY
December 21, 2002

Taper: Jon Ice (ice@justdmb.com)
Source: AKG ck63 (hypercardioid caps) > Active Cables > JK LABS DVC > Apogee MiniMe > M1 @ 48k

Location: Sect. 63, Row E, Seats 7,8

Conversion: M1 > VXPocket2 > Samplitude 6.0 (resampled to 44.1k) > mkw Audio Compression Tool

*** No DAE ***
*** Seek tables appended ***

************************************************** *********
************************************************** *********
*** Please do not encode to mp3 or other lossy formats ***
*** except for personal use (i.e. Don't trade the mp3's)***
************************************************** *********
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Disc One:

01: Intro.. - 02:56
02: Drive In Drive Out * - 06:58
03: Granny * - 05:16
04: Christmas Time Is Here * - 01:04
05: Don't Burn The Pig * - 07:27
06: What Would You Say * - 06:20
07: Grey Street * - 05:32
08: Fool To Think * - 04:28
09: Loving Wings * -> - 02:02
10: Where Are You Going * - 03:49
11: Seek Up * - 20:23
12: Digging A Ditch * - 05:18

Total: - 1:11:33


Disc Two:

01: Stefan Bass solo.. * - 04:03
02: All Along The Watchtower * - 08:36
03: Grace Is Gone * - 08:14
04: The Space Between * - 06:40
05: So Much To Say *+ -> - 04:16
06: Anyone Seen The Bridge + -> - 01:25
07: Too Much *+ -> - 04:44
08: James Brown Intro - 01:08
09: Sex Machine *+~ - 18:46
Encore:
10: Halloween * - 04:22
11: Ants Marching * - 07:57

Total: - 1:10:11


* with Butch Taylor on keys
+ with Karl Densons Tiny Universe
~ with James Brown and Friends


compiled by Jon Ice on 12.25.02

[ice8888]

Dave Matthews Band
12-20-02
Madison Square Garden
New York, NY

Taper: Jon Ice (ice@justdmb.com)
Source: AKG ck63 (hypercardioid caps) > Active Cables > JK LABS DVC > Apogee MiniMe > M1 @ 48k

Location: Sect. 63, Row G, Seats 6,7

Conversion: M1 > VXPocket2 > Samplitude 6.0 (resampled to 44.1k) > mkw Audio Compression Tool

*** No DAE ***
*** Seek tables appended ***

**************************************************
*********
**************************************************
*********
*** Please do not encode to mp3 or other lossy formats ***
*** except for personal use (i.e. Don't trade the mp3's)***
**************************************************
*********
**************************************************
*********

Disc 1
01: Intro 03:14
02: Captain 04:18
03: Song That Jane Likes 05:17
04: Too Much 05:33
05: Bartender 17:23
06: When The World Ends 04:46
07: Grace Is Gone 08:36
08: Grey Street 05:33
09: I Did It 04:34
10: The Stone 08:33
11: Sleep To Dream Her 05:03
Total 1:12:50

Disc 2
01: Loving Wings 07:36
02: Warehouse (Louie Louie Outro) 10:56
03: Crush 12:05
04: Everyday 09:38
05: Two Step 23:59
Encore
06: Christmas Song 05:25
07: What You Are 09:01
Total 1:18:40

Notes:
Disc 2 is tracked to fit on an 80 minute disc.

compiled by Jon Ice (12.23.02)

[onesweetworld15]

Whoa Warehouse had Louie Louie outro at MSG?? Thats badass.

Peace

Michael

[ice8888]

Dave Matthews Band
12-22-02
MCI Center
Washington D.C.

Taper: Jon Ice (ice@justdmb.com)
Source: AKG ck63 (hypercardioid caps) > Active Cables > JK LABS DVC > Apogee MiniMe > M1 @ 48k

Location: Sect. 1, Row O, Seats 1,2

Conversion: Tascam DA-30 > Audiowerk2> Samplitude 6.0 (resampled to 44.1k) >
mkw Audio Compression Tool

*** No DAE ***
*** Seek tables appended ***

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Disc 1
01: Intro 05:13.37
02: Don't Drink The Water 07:53.08
03: Pig 08:42.40
04: Captain 04:30.08
05: Grace Is Gone 07:59.26
06: Everyday 09:11.34
07: Bartender 15:45.01
Total 59:27

Disc 2
01: When The World Ends 04:58.11
02: Crush 13:15.01
03: Song That Jane Likes 05:33.23
04: Grey Street 05:32.53
05: Loving Wings > 07:06.07
06: Where Are You Going 04:21.10
Total 40:56

Disc 3
01: Jimi Thing 13:47.03
02: What Would You Say 07:03.29
03: Too Much 14:45.72
Encore
04: Christmas Song 06:11.18
05: Two Step 17:10.71
Total 59:06

Notes:

compiled by Jon Ice (12.27.02)

[Ccronks]

here's my opinions so far:

12/10: Chrostowski over Maler
12/11: unknown analog or Fulton over Copher
12/13: Ice over Weaver and Lincon
12/14: Willoughby over Ice and Lincon
12/16: Naylor over Greg M
12/17: Brown over Naylor, Berard, and Berner
12/20: Naylor over Brown and Maler
12/21: Berard over Brown and Maler
12/22: Naylor over Maler

Yet to hear Ice's MSG's and MCI

*The above was not ment to offend any taper, just state my own personal opinion. yadda yadda yadda. we love what you all do and please keep doing it...all of you

[ice8888]

it'll be interesting to see how mine compares to chris or eric's tape from mci. they were only 2 or 3 rows in front of me, and i've got the stinking suspition it was better to be a little further back at that venue since the stacks were so rediculously high. i walked up to get a beer about half way through the show, and i thought it sounded a lot better on the sides then on the floor... i know bob haag was up there.

also, check out bob's msg tapes when you can. they are very nice and were on the same stand as mine.

ice

[Joe M.]

cool. thanks ice.

unfortunately for some reason I can't telnet or get remote destop to work on my server back at my apt. yet the the HTTP server and the FTP server are still running. I can only assume its a router problem. So I can't add the new sources to the first post for team akg :( sorry.

[supraman]

has anyone heard Bob Haag's 12/21 pull yet? im downloading it from the newsgroup now to see how it sounds.

[tapanovec]

I just wanted to send out a BIG THANK YOU to Ice and all the tapers! We were at the 12-21 show and it ROCKED and so does the recording. I just burned Ice's disc 1 and it sounds like Dave and the boys are in our living room!

And, a big thanks to everyone at AntsMarching!!!

Happy New Year,

- Tim & Ann

[mr2good]

Thank you John Ice. I really enjoy your 12-22 recording. In my opinion you edged out Naylor by just a hair. Both are great recordings though. I went to that show so finding a good version of this was more important to me than the other shows.

For best recording of winter tour, from what I have heard so far would have to be Naylor's 12-16, its AWESOME!

[Joe M.]

Well I'm back at my Apt. and so I get access to my HTTP server again finally. So BIG Update!

Let's here some feedback if you got any! Who's source do YOU like?

[mmazz72]

After much listening back and forth....

12/10...Maler
12/11...Fulton
12/13...Ice
12/14...Ice
12/16...Naylor
12/17...Berard
12/20...Naylor
12/21...Berard
12/22...Naylor

I'm sure I still haven't heard EVERY source for every show, but I've heard most and this is what I came up with. :)

[scott brown]

i think more people need subwoofers....

[ice8888]

what do you mean scott? those crappy computer speakers most people use don't get the job done? :D

i'm currently looking to replace the speakers on my comp with some tannoy active monitors (would prefer genelec's but just can't afford em). should provide a more accurate setup than what i currently have (2 small satellite's and a powered sub). any suggestions on some other high end speaker systems?

ice

[scott brown]

i like tannoys, i currently have a pair of tannoy mercury bookshelf speakers and they've gotten the job done fine so far. i think i may upgrade to some new ones sometime soon though, just don't have the cash and havent heard enough to choose what i'd want....

[Joe M.]

Sound Blaster 24-Bit Internal Audigy 2 Platinum -> Optical Out -> Lexicon MC12b

[scott brown]

hey ice, what's your setup to the speakers?

2 things i forgot to mention before. find some high end audio shop, and go listen there to whatever speakers they have, then DO NOT BUY from them since they'll charge an arm and a leg. but find out what you like then buy online. hell, bring your own cds there and play them there to make sure you like what you hear. maybe you'll discover you love the tannoys, or like some b&ws or alesis monitors or earthworks monitors or whatever

second, think about an external d/a. i love my cd player (arcam alpha 7se) because the d/a is pretty nice, but my ears are starting to hear more now, and i think i'll be moving on to an external DAC. i may pick up a benchmark DAC1 depending on the size of my bonus, which i find out soon enough. this thing is the size of a 2k too, so while it's not dc powered, it is something you can throw in a backpack and bring on the road for listening at the hotel or whatever. an external d/a will open up your system and you'll hear things you dind't know were there (which can be both a good and bad thing)

i plan on hooking up an spdif out of my computer for 24 bit playback into it, plus hooking up my cd player and da-20mkii to it at home too so it'll take care of all my playback needs.

[ice8888]

right now it's not a great setup...

i've got the yamaha YST-MS50 system running off the analog output on my audiowerk2. nothing spectacular, but it's not too bad either with the powered sub.

i have been looking at an external d/a when i upgrade the speakers. would love to pick up something like a lucid or apogee da1000 d/a converter if possible. how much does the benchmark converter run? i'm not necessarily looking to take this on the road with me because i don't travel very light as it is... and since most of my taping is outside of louisville it may not be practical. the other bitch of living here in louisville is we mainly get a lot of consumer grade crap, not professional type of stuff. i'm probably going to have to check out the really good musician's stores in town rather than the "hifi" home theater/home audio dealers. way too many sony products being sold. :)

i'm thinking that active/powered monitors are the way to go for me. i don't have much room in my one bedroom apartment, so buying another receiver isn't practical. however, i would love to build/re-furbish a tube amp...

ice

[scott brown]

>> i have been looking at an external d/a when i upgrade the speakers. would love to pick up something like a lucid or apogee da1000 d/a converter if possible. <<


the da1000 is 20 bit max i believe...

i was set on the lucid until i read reviews on the benchmark unit. the lucid is 650 i think and the benchmark around 730, and every review of the benchmark unit blows the lucid away...

i'll let you know what i think as i'll probably be dumb and order now, pay later....hehe

[ice8888]

ha. unfortunately i have done that for too long a time period... i'm now "paying the piper" so to say and paying off my credit cards. would like to finally be out of debt. the good news is that i bought my mini-me, did the fall tour, and paid for christmas all in cash. so at least i didn't rack up debts that way.

you are right in that the apogee is max 20 bit. will that matter right now though since all i am running is dat which is 16 bit? i mean, i think i can pick up a da1000 for less than $300, but it may be better to drop the cash and pick up the benchmark. not right now though...

ice

[scott brown]

>> you are right in that the apogee is max 20 bit. will that matter right now though since all i am running is dat which is 16 bit? i mean, i think i can pick up a da1000 for less than $300, but it may be better to drop the cash and pick up the benchmark. not right now though...<<


it won't matter for the dat, but the da1000 is OLD as hell, and the m-audio superDAC for 200 bucks might have newer, better sounding electronics in it. not sure about that, but i think you know what i mean. old as hell and you never hear people raving about the da1000 quality the same way they did with the ad1000


if i get a dac1, like i said it's kind of small, i could let you borrow it to see what a d/a would add to your system. i think it'd be cheap to mail out, just like a minime or something like that. probably cheaper actually since it'd be less insurance

what i like about the dac-1 is the 30 day money back guarantee nutter has on it. just hope there's no "restocking fee"

[Ccronks]

OK, final answers:

12/10: Paul Chrostowski
12/11: Jeff Fulton
12/13: Jon Ice
12/14: Jon Ice
(note: Ice, you have had the best recording at every show I have been to this year, thanks!)
12/16: Eric Naylor
12/17: Scott Brown
12/20: Team Haag/Ice (both very good)
12/21: Team Haag/Ice (both very good)
12/22: Eric Naylor

that's it im done, im burning

connor

[scott brown]

>>Bob Haag/Jon Ice (both sound EXACTLY the same, they were both on the same stand)<<

a statement like this makes me ask, what is everyone listening on?

sure, my opinions as to what sources I like best differ from others, and that's to be expected since we all listen for different things. but a statement like the one above confuses me a little. so what are you listening on that makes these 2 sound "EXACTLY the same?"

i'm sure ice and bobbo would disagree that they're sources sound "EXACTLY the same" too...

[Ccronks]

well, i guess i shouldnt have said they sound EXACTLY the same, there are some slight differences (of course due to the different rigs) but to my naked, not very well trained ear they sound very similar. im sure some tapers who know the differences between mics, rigs, etc can hear the differences, but im just a casual listener, and they both sound very good :)

connor

[ice8888]

Originally posted by Ccronks
OK, final answers:

12/10: Paul Chrostowski
12/11: Jeff Fulton
12/13: Jon Ice
12/14: Jon Ice
(note: Ice, you have had the best recording at every show I have been to this year, thanks!)
12/16: Eric Naylor
12/17: Scott Brown
12/20: Bob Haag
12/21: Bob Haag/Jon Ice (both sound very similar, they were both on the same stand)
12/22: Eric Naylor

that's it im done, im burning

connor

well, i have to say i can tell a difference in both our tapes from those two nights... i think bob's tape has a little more bass for 12.20, but is no where near as crisp in the mid's and high's (probably a function of my hypers running a-b and bob running x-y) that night. as for night 2... i think mine is just crisper and more defined (albeit slight), and a little louder. probably a function of the mini-me vs. the sbm-1. but hey, talk to bob and he probably thinks his is better. both are great tapes. you really can't go wrong with any of the tapes circulating. like my grandma says... "opinions are like assholes. everyone's got one."

ice

[Ccronks]

yeah and like i said (i think it may have been in 'the best recording list of summer 2002') that these are all my opinion, and i hope not to offend anyone. different people have different opinions, which is what makes this world great!
i guess i could tell the differences cause i didnt know you shared a stand both nights ;) i thought it was night 2 only
and like ice said, you really cant go wrong with ANY of these tapes
i just edited my first post to just say both of your tapes are very good

[ice8888]

i don't know of any tapers that take offense to people opinion's as long as it nothing like "this tape sucks..." :) stay away from something like that and no one will think anything of it:

[bbycrei]

I have been going nuts over which pulls for 12-21 and 12-22 to get but here they are:

12-21 Brown
12-22 Ice

Although I haven't heard Maler's 12-22 and Hagg's 12-21 I decided to get these pulls. Thanks tapers.

[trippinbillyrmc]

I just got Vernal's 12-22, Sounds pretty good i think, though i havent heard any others...

[rhuss]

what happened to the sticky??

[Joe M.]

Originally posted by rhuss
what happened to the sticky??

Should I leave it? I couldn't make up my mind. People stopped posting thoughts. I will sticky it again.

[rhuss]

Originally posted by Joe M.
Should I leave it? I couldn't make up my mind. People stopped posting thoughts. I will sticky it again.

sticky it ... i hate searching for it

[Ccronks]

well, put up some results ;)

[teamhands]

i went to 12/10, and i'll admit it has been a long time since i went to an indoor show. it sounds awful inside with all the music bouncing all over the place. (i was in lower section 115 row g)

i d/l'ed one of the pulls for this show, burned it and listened to it in 3 different players, (a bose home theater system is one). it must be the venue, cause i think it sounds like it's underwater...
like it did at the show.
i won't name the taper out of respect, and my own ignorance for the equipment, but can you see any real difference between the two tapers' versions?
two people on this thread picked each of these guys for that night, obviously it's an opinion.
my thinking is that they can not be so far apart, so much so, that i should be looking for the other pull, right?
after all, shit in, shit out, right?

(no offfense to anyone - i am simply referring to the venue)
and no matter, i am extremely grateful for the opportunity to have this show, thank you tapers~

[ajnelson4]

Any timeframe on when the results will start showing up for the Winter Tour? Or has there not been enough input?

[Joe M.]

I decided I wasn't going to put anything next to the sources for this tour.

1) Because I got a lot of complaints

2) You can look through the thread and see what people want

3) AM.org has now put in a feature where users can vote on a recording that they like. You can use this feature also for feedback.

[wmg21]

Originally posted by Joe M.

3) AM.org has now put in a feature where users can vote on a recording that they like. You can use this feature also for feedback.

Where can I find this?

[Joe M.]

go to the Tour Center pages and go to the show you want to check and to the right should be a option to see source votings.

[ajnelson4]

Gotcha... Thanks Joe...

[1800Help-Myself]

Maybe it was because I have only heard it right from the DAT run through the awesome stereo in his Navigator (:p), but I think Copher's 12-11 deserves a nomination for one of the top 3 recordings of the tour.

Plus, it was my favorite DMB show I've been to, so that helps. :D

[kdj176]

I have downloaded many "eric naylor" sourced shows... All I have to say is: "Naylor, you are my recording god". Honestly, I have trouble at times distinguishing between his recordings and dsbd recording, they are that good. I can't say they are the "best", as I have not heard all of the other sources for ALL of the shows, but of the shows I've downloaded which he sources, his are awesome..... Also, how does he get to so many damn shows with such good seats??? has someone been a warehouse member for a long freaking time???
-Kevin

[densbucs]

I am trying to download the file for the winter tour 2002 at the St. pete times forum, 12-10-2002. There is no link beside the file that says "bt download". Does this mean it is not available? or ami doing something wrong? When you click on the "Chrostowski(ccm4v" link it opens a text file but no bt down load? Please help. Thanks. :monkey

[rhuss]

I am trying to download the file for the winter tour 2002 at the St. pete times forum, 12-10-2002. There is no link beside the file that says "bt download". Does this mean it is not available? or ami doing something wrong? When you click on the "Chrostowski(ccm4v" link it opens a text file but no bt down load? Please help. Thanks. :monkey

no recordings are downloaded from this site. goto dreamingtree.org for bt's or check out the ftp server page

[hindukush]

is there a way to download some of the songs to listen too im kinda new to this whole site

[georifer]

love

[georifer]

the...

[georifer]

winter tours

[georifer]

does anyone know if they will tour again this winter?

[georifer]

I bet dave knows...or at least has a pretty good idea

[georifer]

I wonder if JPJ Arena will become a regular stop on tour

[georifer]

It is such a beautiful place

[georifer]

Charlottesville that is

[georifer]

I'm sure the arena will be very beautiful as well

[georifer]

has anyone been to the website lately

[georifer]

I wonder how close it is to being complete

[georifer]

Winter Tour 2002 was a pretty good tour

[georifer]

I was lucky enought to go to a two shows that tour

[georifer]

at least I think I did

[georifer]

wasn't this the tour where they started and ended at the MCI Center in DC

[georifer]

Or was that broken up into two tours...I can't rememeber

[georifer]

I remember the MCI Center was like straight up you were practically on top of the person in front of you

[georifer]

And it was oh so very cold

[georifer]

I remember huddling up outside of the place with a few friends just trying to stay warm

[georifer]

I kinda wish it was cold like that now...even if it was only for a few hours...it is so hot here

[georifer]

If I remember this correctly they started the tour by opening with Tripping Billies then Pig

[georifer]

And then they ended the tour with Pig and Tripping Billies

[georifer]

but I could be wrong...any way...I really enjoyed this tour

[georifer]

Winter tours are always nice because I can ususally count on getting a ticket as a christmas gift

[georifer]

really all the recordings are good recordings

[georifer]

and honestly who has time to download multiple recordings to see which one is better

[Prez]

and honestly who has time to download multiple recordings to see which one is better


I make the time.

[DMB0715]

Wow, what a way to up a post count.

[Psirix]

Great Tour!