The Official Polaris Thread

[bdmb0814]

Originally posted by The J2H
i think it's funny that this is the only thread in DMBc getting any action

I think it's funny that we're at 2500!!!!

[The J2H]

Originally posted by bdmb0814
I think it's funny that we're at 2500!!!!

you theif!!!

[bdmb0814]

:evil :evil :evil

Don't worry, we'll let you have 3000... I mean, who cares about 2500 anyway? It's just a HALF thousand...

[ellirome]

Originally posted by docdmb40
I'm a little buzzed right now so i might as well ask, is it true, about the set that is? if you are offended, i appologize before hand

Keep buzzing my friend...I wasn't offended in the least....

I didn't even take it that way....so the real culprit here is J2H!

Seriously, I had a good laugh....I'm not offended that easily!

[ellirome]

Originally posted by rockyracoon
i've been tryin to start playing, but i just have no clue on where to start. i can play a ben harper tune, walk away, but thats it. mongoose showed me some good websites to get me started, but i cant seem to get the chords memorized.

The best way to learn to play is to sit with someone and play WITH them....you learn so much more that way....and this coming from THE expert....:rolleyes:

[The J2H]

oh, so now it's my fault?!? geez...i apologize

[bdmb0814]

Originally posted by ellirome
The best way to learn to play is to sit with someone and play WITH them....you learn so much more that way....and this coming from THE expert....:rolleyes:
I've actually had trouble playing around someone else. Even if it's just like my mom walking in the room, I CAN'T play with anyone else around. It makes me feel like they're critiquing my every note, and I usually just stop till I'm alone again. :rolleyes: I'm just weird like that i guess.

[docdmb40]

Originally posted by ellirome
Keep buzzing my friend...I wasn't offended in the least....

I didn't even take it that way....so the real culprit here is J2H!

Seriously, I had a good laugh....I'm not offended that easily!

damn, now i NEED an answer, DO YOU HAVE A NICE SET? I'm bored and I'm in a drought, so it would be good to imagine.

[DMBdude79]

Damn, I tried for like 20 minutes to get the 2500 post but it was like I was over at nancies. It just wouldnt let me post. Then I tried for 2501 and even then I couldnt get anything to work. So I'm finally posting, just for the sake of posting.

[ellirome]

Originally posted by docdmb40
damn, now i NEED an answer, DO YOU HAVE A NICE SET? I'm bored and I'm in a drought, so it would be good to imagine.

:lol :lol :lol

just keep imagining.....and drinking....and buzzing....

I'm sure you can come up with something in that mind of yours!

[bdmb0814]

Originally posted by docdmb40
damn, now i NEED an answer, DO YOU HAVE A NICE SET? I'm bored and I'm in a drought, so it would be good to imagine.
:lol That a boy!

[rockyracoon]

man, this thread has been so insane the past hour. this is the first time i've actually been able to access it so i'm posting... just like dmbdude

[ellirome]

Now you guys are ganging up on the one poor girl who ever posts in here (except for occassionally Maggie....which we have talked about the fact that we ARE the only females on here!)

You little devils! :evil

[docdmb40]

ok, let get graphic. a nice C cup with a quarter sized nip, i imagine you as a tan girl with no tan lines, about 5'4" 115lbs, definitly wants to get with me.....should i go on?

[docdmb40]

again, i apologize in advance

[rockyracoon]

Originally posted by ellirome
Now you guys are ganging up on the one poor girl who ever posts in here (except for occassionally Maggie....which we have talked about the fact that we ARE the only females on here!)

You little devils! :evil

damn. i always new jon was a pervert, but the rest of you are a disappointment to me

[bdmb0814]

Originally posted by docdmb40
ok, let get graphic. a nice C cup with a quarter sized nip, i imagine you as a tan girl with no tan lines, about 5'4" 115lbs, definitly wants to get with me.....should i go on?

:lol :lol :lol I'm not even gonna comment

[DMBdude79]

Seems like the hounds have been released tonight. And it's still another week before its Friday the 13th.

[rockyracoon]

oh if his students could see him now :lol

[docdmb40]

Originally posted by bdmb0814
:lol :lol :lol I'm not even gonna comment

lets get stupid, no wait, I'm already there

[docdmb40]

Originally posted by rockyracoon
oh if his students could see him now :lol

that would definitly NOT be good..lol

[bdmb0814]

I would like to get drunk with a lot of my teachers. I bet they'd be awesome to get wasted with. And then there's my hot english teacher from sophomore year.... but that's a whole other story...

[ellirome]

Originally posted by rockyracoon
oh if his students could see him now :lol

I second that! And I am so glad that you are providing this whole thread with comic relief tonight!

[docdmb40]

at this point i am at a loss for words

[rockyracoon]

Originally posted by ellirome
I second that! And I am so glad that you are providing this whole thread with comic relief tonight!

i do what i can

[bdmb0814]

Well, I hate to be a party pooper, but I gotta go to bed. I actually have to wake up at a decent hour tomorrow, I have stuff to do :mad: So I'll see everyone tomorrow... If we keep posting at this rate... We'll be at 3000 in no time!!

[DMBdude79]

Damn, it takes for ever for me to post on here tonight. Almost like a very annoying other site that never seems to work, unlike this one. Or at least of lately.

[ellirome]

I think that I need to be out of here too.....

so good night guys.....

[rockyracoon]

Originally posted by docdmb40
at this point i am at a loss for words

:lol :lol ... why?

[ellirome]

By the way....Alpine is about to hit 2000....someone should sneak in and steal it from them! :evil

But then again...we're not that mean, are we?

[docdmb40]

Originally posted by rockyracoon
:lol :lol ... why?

because when you spend a day out in the sun, and then you drink many beers you start thinking crazy thoughts. Like, I think it would be a good idea to make an ass out of myself on ants. tonight. Anyways I'm having a good time now, but it may be a couple of days til I post again, due to the level of intelligence in my posts tonight.

[ellirome]

Never mind.....they have several more to goto even be close....and since two of their heavy posters are two of our own (traitors), then, well, I don't know what to say......

I am tired

[rockyracoon]

Originally posted by ellirome
Never mind.....they have several more to goto even be close....and since two of their heavy posters are two of our own (traitors), then, well, I don't know what to say......

I am tired

watch it steph.. you do not want to face the wrath of jon and i.... we have drawn comparison to the 80's superstar tag team duo of marty janetti and shawn michaels, A.K.A. The Rocker's ..... you dont know what your messin with ...... and doc, it's no big deal... all of us have gone through drunk posting before, and half the fun of it is sounding like an ass, no offense. :D

[docdmb40]

Originally posted by rockyracoon
watch it steph.. you do not want to face the wrath of jon and i.... we have drawn comparison to the 80's superstar tag team duo of marty janetti and shawn michaels, A.K.A. The Rocker's ..... you dont know what your messin with ...... and doc, it's no big deal... all of us have gone through drunk posting before, and half the fun of it is sounding like an ass, no offense. :D

none taken, and it is fun, until tomorrow.....

[The J2H]

Originally posted by ellirome
Never mind.....they have several more to goto even be close....and since two of their heavy posters are two of our own (traitors), then, well, I don't know what to say......

I am tired

we're not traitors...we're scouting the competition

[The J2H]

Originally posted by docdmb40
none taken, and it is fun, until tomorrow.....

that's the best part...getting online the next day and thinking...what the hell was i doing???

[docdmb40]

you're right, and honestly i will be out of town tomorrow (hence no posts) so again, I'm sorry, and I'm off to PASS OUT, the "thank god's" are definitly welcome now
Doc

[The J2H]

Originally posted by docdmb40
you're right, and honestly i will be out of town tomorrow (hence no posts) so again, I'm sorry, and I'm off to PASS OUT, the "thank god's" are definitly welcome now
Doc

but you were so entertaining!

[rockyracoon]

Originally posted by The J2H
but you were so entertaining!

yeah, don't leave yet doc

[docdmb40]

sorry all, got to go

[The J2H]

Originally posted by docdmb40
sorry all, got to go

fine...if you leave now, you can't come back tomorrow!!! that'll teach you!

[rockyracoon]

Originally posted by The J2H
fine...if you leave now, you can't come back tomorrow!!! that'll teach you!

YEAH!! damnit

[The J2H]

hey ryan...i bet we don't even get 55 posts tomorrow

actually, it's now today...friday

[rockyracoon]

Originally posted by The J2H
hey ryan...i bet we don't even get 55 posts tomorrow

actually, it's now today...friday

probably not.... there is no way everyone will be back again tomorrow for another solid night of posting... they probably don't even give a shit about the KoCo

[The J2H]

alright...i've tallied up the posts from yesterday (Thursday, 06.05.03) and we had 124 posts...CONGRATS!!!

as for today (Friday, 06.06.03) we have already tallied a total of 116 posts (this post included)...so much for me doubting we could hit 55.

that being said, i've come up with the challenge for you all to hit 200 posts by the time the clock strikes midnight on Friday, mening of course, it's no longer Friday...

anyone here think it can be done?

[The J2H]

Originally posted by rockyracoon
probably not.... there is no way everyone will be back again tomorrow for another solid night of posting... they probably don't even give a shit about the KoCo

you're probably right..i mean if you take away you posts and mine...they probably actually only had like 3 posts tonight

[rockyracoon]

Originally posted by The J2H
alright...i've tallied up the posts from yesterday (Thursday, 06.05.03) and we had 124 posts...CONGRATS!!!

as for today (Friday, 06.06.03) we have already tallied a total of 116 posts (this post included)...so much for me doubting we could hit 55.

that being said, i've come up with the challenge for you all to hit 200 posts by the time the clock strikes midnight on Friday, mening of course, it's no longer Friday...

anyone here think it can be done?

let me be the first to say that it will NOT be done..... who wants to prove me wrong?

[The J2H]

Originally posted by rockyracoon
let me be the first to say that it will NOT be done..... who wants to prove me wrong?

with the exception of people cheating, i agree with Ryan on this one...i dare you all to prove us wrong!!!

just to be safe, i'm about to figure out what page we'll have to hit for this to happen

[rockyracoon]

Originally posted by The J2H
you're probably right..i mean if you take away you posts and mine...they probably actually only had like 3 posts tonight

where would this thread be without you and i? absolutely nowhere my friend

[The J2H]

Originally posted by rockyracoon
where would this thread be without you and i? absolutely nowhere my friend

probably somewhere around Page 36

[rockyracoon]

Originally posted by The J2H
with the exception of people cheating, i agree with Ryan on this one...i dare you all to prove us wrong!!!

just to be safe, i'm about to figure out what page we'll have to hit for this to happen

i double dare you..... no wait, i TRIPLE DOG DARE YOU!

[The J2H]

by my calculations, the 4th post on Page 106 will be the 200th post...that is if it occurs by 11:59pm EST on Friday June 6, 2003.

damn, that's a lot of numbers in one post

[The J2H]

Originally posted by rockyracoon
i double dare you..... no wait, i TRIPLE DOG DARE YOU!

oh man, now you've done it!!!

[The J2H]

Originally posted by The J2H
by my calculations, the 4th post on Page 106 will be the 200th post...that is if it occurs by 11:59pm EST on Friday June 6, 2003.

damn, that's a lot of numbers in one post

hey ryan...page 106...that's where this thread would be without us!!!

[rockyracoon]

Originally posted by The J2H
oh man, now you've done it!!!

oh shit. i really have, haven't i? now we're in trouble

[The J2H]

Originally posted by rockyracoon
oh shit. i really have, haven't i? now we're in trouble

don't worry...they'll probably have to call one of us in to get them to 200 posts for the day...we both know they're nothing without us

[rockyracoon]

Originally posted by The J2H
don't worry...they'll probably have to call one of us in to get them to 200 posts for the day...we both know they're nothing without us

they probably will.... what's next? you guys need us to cook your food at the KoCo for you too? ha, amateurs

[The J2H]

Originally posted by rockyracoon
they probably will.... what's next? you guys need us to cook your food at the KoCo for you too? ha, amateurs

if i absolutely have to, i will hold your hands while we cross the street and buckle you in if necessary. i must admit though, you're all a little old to be babied around...

[The J2H]

Originally posted by The J2H
if i absolutely have to, i will hold your hands while we cross the street and buckle you in if necessary. i must admit though, you're all a little old to be babied around...

just for the record, this quoted post was NOT directed towards my partner in crime...hopefully you all will put two and two together to decipher where it is directed...

[rockyracoon]

Originally posted by The J2H
if i absolutely have to, i will hold your hands while we cross the street and buckle you in if necessary. i must admit though, you're all a little old to be babied around...

and guys, please remember to look both ways before crossing the street. also, i ma cook your food for you, but i will not cut it up and feed it to you. you guys are adults, act like one.

[The J2H]

Originally posted by rockyracoon
and guys, please remember to look both ways before crossing the street. also, i ma cook your food for you, but i will not cut it up and feed it to you. you guys are adults, act like one.

none of you are old enough to drink alcohol, so we shouldn't even have to remind you that drinking is definately off limits. also, just a reminder to keep your ticket in your pocket until your up to the gate so no one can steal it from you. and for the love of god, if you scrape your knee while you're riding you bike, don't come crying to me!

[rockyracoon]

so you think you can get 200? well to tell you all the truth, i sure as hell DON'T!

[The J2H]

Originally posted by rockyracoon
so you think you can get 200? well to tell you all the truth, i sure as hell DON'T!

not a snowflakes chance in hell!

[The J2H]

it's not enough that ryan and i have to single handedly keep this thread on life support, but now we're the only two people actually posting in the entire DMBc Forum?!? i'm not sure if i'm ready for that type of resposibility yet...

[rockyracoon]

Originally posted by The J2H
none of you are old enough to drink alcohol, so we shouldn't even have to remind you that drinking is definately off limits. also, just a reminder to keep your ticket in your pocket until your up to the gate so no one can steal it from you. and for the love of god, if you scrape your knee while you're riding you bike, don't come crying to me!

if i see anyone under the age of 21, i will put you under citizen's arrest. and thats final. helmets and safety gear will be worn at all times. any scrapes, cuts, or bruises will be hurt even more to teach everyone a safety lesson.

[rockyracoon]

Originally posted by The J2H
it's not enough that ryan and i have to single handedly keep this thread on life support, but now we're the only two people actually posting in the entire DMBc Forum?!? i'm not sure if i'm ready for that type of resposibility yet...

i agree. we are not your guardians people. although sometimes i feel that we've been given the responsibility. where is the respect for us? do you people not know gratitude? i'm hurt, i really am. and now we are the only ones left here, do you people know no shame? god, when does it end?

[The J2H]

Originally posted by rockyracoon
if i see anyone under the age of 21, i will put you under citizen's arrest. and thats final. helmets and safety gear will be worn at all times. any scrapes, cuts, or bruises will be hurt even more to teach everyone a safety lesson.

yeah...i'm definately putting the police on speed dial. i don't mess around when it comes to the law. i'll call the police if you do so much as cuss, because that it disturbing the peace and i just won't tolerate that. i'm not about to let this cook off go to shit because of a few hoodlums!!! you better all be on your best behavior or we'll turn this car around!

[The J2H]

Originally posted by rockyracoon
i agree. we are not your guardians people. although sometimes i feel that we've been given the responsibility. where is the respect for us? do you people not know gratitude? i'm hurt, i really am. and now we are the only ones left here, do you people know no shame? god, when does it end?

yeah, you know, a simple "thank you" would be nice once in a while. don't they teach you anything in schools nowadays. i remember when i was in school that beat that damn golden rule into our heads. i guess teachers are just as big of slackers as the students now. when will all of this nonsense end?!?

[The J2H]

i'm beginning to think that the world has ended, and only ryan and i survived. we're now currently holding together the entire forum. talk about thrown into responsibilty. i'm not ready to do this...i think i'll crack under the pressure

[rockyracoon]

Originally posted by The J2H
yeah...i'm definately putting the police on speed dial. i don't mess around when it comes to the law. i'll call the police if you do so much as cuss, because that it disturbing the peace and i just won't tolerate that. i'm not about to let this cook off go to shit because of a few hoodlums!!! you better all be on your best behavior or we'll turn this car around!

jon and i have worked too hard for too long to put up with this shit. jon, why do we even bother?

[The J2H]

Originally posted by rockyracoon
jon and i have worked too hard for too long to put up with this shit. jon, why do we even bother?

i don't even know...it's almost not even worth it anymore...

i'm thinking about giving up

[rockyracoon]

Originally posted by The J2H
yeah, you know, a simple "thank you" would be nice once in a while. don't they teach you anything in schools nowadays. i remember when i was in school that beat that damn golden rule into our heads. i guess teachers are just as big of slackers as the students now. when will all of this nonsense end?!?

i remember when teachers were role models. i used to look up t my teachers. it's hard to look up to someone who gets drunk all the time and asks about women's breats'. i personally find that offensive. where's the respect now a days?

[The J2H]

Originally posted by rockyracoon
i remember when teachers were role models. i used to look up t my teachers. it's hard to look up to someone who gets drunk all the time and asks about women's breats'. i personally find that offensive. where's the respect now a days?

you have a point ryan...i've never had a teacher ask about a women's breasts, especially in the company of such impressionable young minds. i can only imagine what he's teaching in his class

[The J2H]

oh great, now ryan leaves...so i guess even he's not even strong willed enough to take control. i guess i'll just have to do this on my own

[The J2H]

good news everyone...the KoCo is going to be sponsored by the Prohibitionist Club of Greater Columbus, meaning you'll get all of the apple and orange juice you want at the cook out. also, the American Lung Association will be there, ensuring that the air we're breathing in is clean and pure. also, we'll have a first aid station near by that way i don't have to deal with the whining if any of you fall while playing freeze tag and skin your knee

[davedesloover18]

Wow, that took me a damn long time to read, and it was entertaining the whole way. I missed one hell of a night I guess, at least the Rockers were here to further the cause...:lol

I don't regret missing it though, as I was out clubbing and made out with the girl I have had a crush on for practically my whole life. We also talked for like an hour. What a great night...

Glad to see everyone is fired up for the koco, and posting like hell.

And I triple dog dare everyone(double stamp and no erasies of course) that we can't get to 3000 by the show;)

[davedesloover18]

Oh, and I almost forgot....it's FRIDAY!

[prelawmike07]

It IS Friday, and I need to take a shower, take a final, go to work, play softball, and then study for more finals.

I'll see everyone later on tonight!

[The J2H]

well congratulations...you have three posts...like that's really gonna help you get to 200 for the day...don't worry, just get ahold of ryan or myself, and we'll save the day...once again

[davedesloover18]

I keep listening to BOWA, 41, and Crash....

Here's to hoping...:)

[bdmb0814]

What's up everyone? Good morning! I LOVE sleeping in... it makes me feel so much better in the morning than waking up at 6:30. Last night was about the 3rd night in a row that I've had a dream about DMB/Polaris. Last night I was at polaris, and someone was up on stage talking to like my senior class... it was probably about graduation, but we were all just chillen, sittin in the seats and I kept thinkin.. "After this person's done, I'm gonna go check out where my seats are." But anyways, gotta go shower and get ready for my REAL graduation practice. 3000 here we come!!

[bdmb0814]

Oh, and good job last night Rockers... way to keep the thread goin into the wee hours of the morning. You're the kinda people we NEED to make this thing happen, all the rest of us are slackers.

[The J2H]

Originally posted by bdmb0814
Oh, and good job last night Rockers... way to keep the thread goin into the wee hours of the morning. You're the kinda people we NEED to make this thing happen, all the rest of us are slackers.

finally one of the minions who speaks the truth!!!

[davedesloover18]

Originally posted by The J2H
finally one of the minions who speaks the truth!!! :lol :lol :lol

[bdmb0814]

Originally posted by The J2H
finally one of the minions who speaks the truth!!!
I do what I can... :lol

[Mongoose]

I am done with exams, that was possibly one the easiest exams I have ever taken and I have graduation practice today and then tommorow.......graduation.

[The J2H]

Originally posted by Mongoose
I am done with exams, that was possibly one the easiest exams I have ever taken and I have graduation practice today and then tommorow.......graduation.

welcome to the real world, son

[The J2H]

finally...the Rockers have their hotel reservations. we'll be kickin it at the Courtyard by Mariott in Worthington...sweet!

[Mongoose]

Originally posted by The J2H
finally...the Rockers have their hotel reservations. we'll be kickin it at the Courtyard by Mariott in Worthington...sweet!
You two better keep the noise down or else I'll call.........hotel security

[bdmb0814]

Or we could order 2 pizzas and eat them right before the show...:lol

[prelawmike07]

Well, after millions of dollars in government funding and the aid of powerful university computers, I have come to the conclusion that BOWA is the perfect song to open a tour with!

With that said, time to head to the law firm.

[ellirome]

Originally posted by prelawmike07
Well, after millions of dollars in government funding and the aid of powerful university computers, I have come to the conclusion that BOWA is the perfect song to open a tour with!

With that said, time to head to the law firm.

You know, I think I agree with that! I would like BOWA as an opener......

This is my one, and probably only post for today....sorry to let you guys down!

Off to Nashville :D

[Mongoose]

Originally posted by bdmb0814
Or we could order 2 pizzas and eat them right before the show...:lol
You have to forget you orderd them and think that hotel security is at your door though
"whos at the door"
"uh... i dont know, come look"



"oh its the pizzza guy, hell yeah"

[davedesloover18]

Originally posted by prelawmike07
Well, after millions of dollars in government funding and the aid of powerful university computers, I have come to the conclusion that BOWA is the perfect song to open a tour with!
Agreed.:multi

[rockyracoon]

good afternoon children! :D

[rockyracoon]

Originally posted by The J2H
finally...the Rockers have their hotel reservations. we'll be kickin it at the Courtyard by Mariott in Worthington...sweet!

hell yeah. we're gonna be rockin that place for 2 days. if you guys are lucky, we might even let one of you in our rooms to make our beds

[davedesloover18]

Originally posted by rockyracoon
hell yeah. we're gonna be rockin that place for 2 days. if you guys are lucky, we might even let one of you in our rooms to make our beds :rolleyes:

[rockyracoon]

Originally posted by bdmb0814
Oh, and good job last night Rockers... way to keep the thread goin into the wee hours of the morning. You're the kinda people we NEED to make this thing happen, all the rest of us are slackers.

you hit the nail on the head

[rockyracoon]

Originally posted by davedesloover18
:rolleyes:

well, you're out of the running! :lol

[davedesloover18]

Originally posted by rockyracoon
well, you're out of the running! :lol :(

[rockyracoon]

Originally posted by davedesloover18
:(

fine you big baby, you're reinstated. but i'm keeping a close eye on you.

[Mongoose]

Do you need a supervisor? Or assitent?

[rockyracoon]

Originally posted by Mongoose
Do you need a supervisor? Or assitent?

we are currently accepting applications.

[rockyracoon]

just keeping this ahead of alpine

[davedesloover18]

Originally posted by rockyracoon
fine you big baby, you're reinstated. but i'm keeping a close eye on you.
:lol
I need the shifty eyes like ellirome has.

"Just make the eyes move back and forth like this...then everyone will suspect the dog." - Homer

[cavecricket34]

Hey folks, recognize me? :)

Are you guys camping for these shows? And if so, does anyone have any extra room? I'd really like to go but I have my final on the 19th, so I'd only be able to do the first night, unless I can take it on the 20th (which I doubt).

I see tons of tickets for sale but I have nowhere to stay yet, can anyone help me out with a place to stay?

[Mongoose]

Originally posted by cavecricket34
Hey folks, recognize me? :)

no

[rockyracoon]

someone tell me how the hell i put a picture in my post

[cavecricket34]

Originally posted by Mongoose
no

Sorry, there's a couply people here who I know from the Alpine thread. ;)

[cavecricket34]

Originally posted by rockyracoon
someone tell me how the hell i put a picture in my post You have to make a link to it. In nDMBc you can use the IMG tag to display it, but in DMBc it just makes a link.

[Mongoose]

I'm off to work.

[Mongoose]

Put it on your calenders we are making the same amount of posts as last night tonight.

[dmb2much40]

our original goal of 3000 is eay to reach before the 17th!

less than 2 weeks!

[DMBdude79]

Here's to adding to the total.

[The J2H]

Originally posted by dmb2much40
our original goal of 3000 is eay to reach before the 17th!

less than 2 weeks!

oh, so you just think you can come out of teh blue with a post and be included in the race to 3000??? geez, hasn't anyone been taught teamwork around here. speaking of work, being the Pretty Boy Shawn Michaels isn't easy. who wants to be my servent....er, assistant?

[The J2H]

well it's almost 730 which means 4 hours and 29 minutes left to make it to 200 posts for the day, and seeing how i have to head to work in a few minutes and there is an absence of the other Rocker...i don't think we can count on the lower caste to make it to 200 for us...

[The J2H]

unless of course i get us to 200 by the time i leave for work

[rockyracoon]

Originally posted by The J2H
well it's almost 730 which means 4 hours and 29 minutes left to make it to 200 posts for the day, and seeing how i have to head to work in a few minutes and there is an absence of the other Rocker...i don't think we can count on the lower caste to make it to 200 for us...

dont worry partner... i'm baaaack

[rockyracoon]

looks like it's my turn to babysit

[twostone]

I'm here as well, grounded for a bit :mad:

[rockyracoon]

Originally posted by twostone
I'm here as well, grounded for a bit :mad:

what did you do this time?

[twostone]

Originally posted by rockyracoon
what did you do this time?
got caught drinking again

[rockyracoon]

Originally posted by twostone
got caught drinking again

:lol .... not laughin at you, i'm laughin with you. what were you drinking?

[twostone]

Originally posted by rockyracoon
:lol .... not laughin at you, i'm laughin with you. what were you drinking?
some captain and some bacardi o

[rockyracoon]

have you learned your lesson young man? i'm sorry, but i can't let you drink at the KoCo. i just wouldn't feel right about it.

[twostone]

Originally posted by rockyracoon
have you learned your lesson young man? i'm sorry, but i can't let you drink at the KoCo. i just wouldn't feel right about it.
:lol
no i have not learned my lesson, my parents get all crazy about it, i dont really see why its all that bad anymore really

[rockyracoon]

where were you at? i can understand them gettin mad if you were out drinkin and drivin, but if you were just at home than that sucks they get pissed about it. but parents will be parents.

[twostone]

Originally posted by rockyracoon
where were you at? i can understand them gettin mad if you were out drinkin and drivin, but if you were just at home than that sucks they get pissed about it. but parents will be parents.
I was over a friends house, but i already planned on not driving home, so yea, but yea i guess parents can be parents

[rockyracoon]

how did they catch you?

[twostone]

Originally posted by rockyracoon
how did they catch you?
actually a pretty funny story, i called my dad, he is like where are you, i told him and it was around 11:15, i go dad ill be home at 10:30, he is like what, its 11:15, im like yea i know ill be home at 10:30, so i was pretty much fucked there, so a friend of mine took the phone and told my dad he would bring me home now

[Mongoose]

Originally posted by twostone
actually a pretty funny story, i called my dad, he is like where are you, i told him and it was around 11:15, i go dad ill be home at 10:30, he is like what, its 11:15, im like yea i know ill be home at 10:30, so i was pretty much fucked there, so a friend of mine took the phone and told my dad he would bring me home now
Man, could have played it better,
I'll be home at 10:30
its 11:15
Is it? I guess we lost track of time, we have a huge x box game going
oh
I'll come home at 11:30 ok
Alright night
night

[Mongoose]

Also never let your friend take the phone, you know your parents better than anyone else, so do the talking yourself, and most importanly, you are never fucked.
bdmb was over with 6 guys at my house piss drunk, thew up all over my bathroom, we tried to clean it up and said he spilt a coke my mom said she knew he threw up. We played it like he didnt want to go home and thought she might of been mad so we tried to cover it up. We both talked to her and she gave him peptobismal and crackers.
Next time I come home, blitzed as anything and I am trying to talk to my mom and she wants to have a serious conversation, I reek of bud and keep trying to back away, she asked whats wrong why are you doing that. I told her my teeth hurt from trying to eat (just got wisdom teeth out) went downstairs got my medicen said it was better went to bed.
Run it into the ground, your never fucked until the very end.

[Mongoose]

Originally posted by rockyracoon
have you learned your lesson young man? i'm sorry, but i can't let you drink at the KoCo. i just wouldn't feel right about it.
I'll help you enforce that. I'll bring a whip.

[Mongoose]

Oh so theres this girl I talk to at work and some how we got onto sex and stuff like that, I said well what are you into. That question gets a "everything but the wierd stuff"
"we'll whats the wierd stuff?"
"you know, whips, bondage, Taking It In the ASS"
Now I work in a resturant, and haha well she said this pretty loud I laughed for a while, this probably wasnt funny to anyone but me.

[Mongoose]

Man its dead compared to last night, come on people get on.

[Mongoose]

I've got moe. 's bonnaroo set on right now
if you want to hear it, http://www.nugs.net/moe/020622_mp3.asp?artist=3&show=245&cmd=shows
its streamed from here
Plane crash and rebubual are good as well as the cover low.

[twostone]

oh but i was pretty much fucked anyway, considering i didnt even know i was on the phone till after it happened, i was so pissed up, i remember from about 6-8 then everything is blank till like 1030, so i pretty much fucked myself over by not controling the alcohol all that well, and yea i dont even know how i got to the house i was at :rolleyes:

[Mongoose]

oh, well if your that drunk then your screwed, I only get like that at my house or when I have somewhere other than home to spend the night.

[twostone]

Originally posted by Mongoose
oh, well if your that drunk then your screwed, I only get like that at my house or when I have somewhere other than home to spend the night.
yea it sucks these days not being able to sleep anywhere, but columbus should be good, about 3 nights with no parents, cant wait

[Mongoose]

your still allowed to go?

[prelawmike07]

Reading these past few posts made me realize how happy I am to be 21!;) :D

[prelawmike07]

With that said, it's time for a beer:)

[Mongoose]

I hear ya

[Mongoose]

Its almost midnight, get it together.

[Mongoose]

11:55

[bdmb0814]

See the whole trick about underage drinking while living at home... Is get a mom who buys you beer. Works for me anyway... :D

[twostone]

Originally posted by bdmb0814
See the whole trick about underage drinking while living at home... Is get a mom who buys you beer. Works for me anyway... :D
ha, that would be great

[bdmb0814]

Yeah... it is. See, I'm the 3rd, so I get everything anyway... then my dad left about a year and a half ago... so my mom makes it up to me by buying me beer and letting me and my friends drink over here pretty much whenever we want, as long as we're not too loud. It's a great setup.

[twostone]

Originally posted by bdmb0814
Yeah... it is. See, I'm the 3rd, so I get everything anyway... then my dad left about a year and a half ago... so my mom makes it up to me by buying me beer and letting me and my friends drink over here pretty much whenever we want, as long as we're not too loud. It's a great setup.
how old are you?

[bdmb0814]

17, comin on 18 reeeeealll slowly...

[dmb2much40]

Originally posted by The J2H
oh, so you just think you can come out of teh blue with a post and be included in the race to 3000??? geez, hasn't anyone been taught teamwork around here. speaking of work, being the Pretty Boy Shawn Michaels isn't easy. who wants to be my servent....er, assistant?

i've got about 15 to 20 previous posts in this thread...now 16 to 21

[twostone]

well im heading off to bed, nothing better to do when grounded than sleep, so ill catch up with all of you later

peace

[bdmb0814]

By the way... Jonnie too hottie, we definitely hit over 200 posts by 11:59 pm friday night. Looks like you were proven wrong once again. We're well on our way to 3000. Obviously without your help tonight.

[twostone]

Originally posted by bdmb0814
By the way... Jonnie too hottie, we definitely hit over 200 posts by 11:59 pm friday night. Looks like you were proven wrong once again. We're well on our way to 3000. Obviously without your help tonight.
And people thought we would struggle to get 2000.

[prelawmike07]

whoa... three beers bwtween DDTW and Bartender on the folsom field DVD, I am definitely getting my buzz on tonist!!

[bdmb0814]

Originally posted by twostone
And people thought we would struggle to get 2000.

Damn straight. What losers. No faith, no faith. But, unfortunately, I'm gonna head out early. Big day tomorrow! I'm FINALLY graduating high school! I still can't believe it... And I actually did learn some stuff :lol Who woulda knew?

[bdmb0814]

By the way... we're down to about 35 posts per day to reach 3000, let's keep it up... Polarisites, err... KOCOers... err, something, whatever, i dunno.

[prelawmike07]

Originally posted by bdmb0814
By the way... we're down to about 35 posts per day to reach 3000, let's keep it up... Polarisites, err... KOCOers... err, something, whatever, i dunno.

don't think too hard... it's fridsayu!

[prelawmike07]

hellooooo???? anyone thear?

[rockyracoon]

Originally posted by bdmb0814
By the way... Jonnie too hottie, we definitely hit over 200 posts by 11:59 pm friday night. Looks like you were proven wrong once again. We're well on our way to 3000. Obviously without your help tonight.

mind your tongue young man. i'm not gonna stand around watch you guys bash on jon, i mean SHAWN, while he's not around. you do know you're dealin with THE ROCKERS right?

[rockyracoon]

Originally posted by twostone
actually a pretty funny story, i called my dad, he is like where are you, i told him and it was around 11:15, i go dad ill be home at 10:30, he is like what, its 11:15, im like yea i know ill be home at 10:30, so i was pretty much fucked there, so a friend of mine took the phone and told my dad he would bring me home now

:lol :lol :lol

[rockyracoon]

i see how you guys work... get 200 posts in one day and then give up. that's typical. you think you can do it again for saturday? i dare you to try.

[rockyracoon]

jon and i are going to have to have a meeting about this slacking off. we will not stand for this. does anyone want to face the wrath of THE ROCKERS? do you know who you're dealing with? shawn michaels and marty janetty , thats who.

[rockyracoon]

boy, you guys are really in for it tomorrow. just thought i'd let you know beforehand.

[twostone]

anyone hear?

[bdmb0814]

Just stoppin in to say hey before i leave to go to non-stop graduation parties till later. No more high school for me!

[twostone]

Originally posted by bdmb0814
Just stoppin in to say hey before i leave to go to non-stop graduation parties till later. No more high school for me!
i got a couple of those today as well

[rcarlsn612]

making my contribution for the day
i work 4-930 tonight then its off to cleveland, just relaxin jammin to the dave&time purdue show now

[rockyracoon]

Originally posted by twostone
i got a couple of those today as well

do your parents know about these parties?

[twostone]

Originally posted by rockyracoon
do your parents know about these parties?
yes they are leting me go for a few hours, won't be any drinking though, the parents said if anyone drinks they have to spend the night

[rockyracoon]

just make sure you remember what time you have to be home

[twostone]

Originally posted by rockyracoon
just make sure you remember what time you have to be home
:lol
I think i'll have that under control.

[rockyracoon]

i think that's the best part of graduating. going to all the graduation parties and getting all fucked up. the summer i graduated was one of the most fun summers i've ever had.

[rockyracoon]

where's everybody at? we at least have to get to 2700 by days end.

[twostone]

I don't graduate till next year, but already looking forward to it.

[rcarlsn612]

another pos. anfd for you 21'ers, i'm goin to the flats and i have a fake, but i also have my new yelow id. which one should i use, the fake works but looks nothin like me, let me know

[wonderwes]

So as we get near the 2 week point I am curious about this question.

There is a pre-show gathering already planned, as far as I know no post show is planned. As DMB fans from across the US converge on the city of Columbus, my question is have we reached out to the other message boards to join us.

I saw a long thread on nancies about people taking the trip to columbus. Have we contacted people from other boards or is this an antsmarching alone gathering? I have no clue which boards are bigger than others. Which are the other forum heavyweights?

My goal is to try to meet as many people as I can while down. So how many people are coming?

Oh yeah, our seats tickets should be mailed next week. I just have this bad feeling FedEx is going to drop them by when I am not home and somehow screw up the process of delivering them to my address. You get one shot per day with them. Miss them? You'll just have to wait till the next.

got KOCO? :ugh: what does that mean again? <please give KOCO lesson>

Someone can rant with me on AIM. Always looking for people to add to my buddy list. PM me for my AIM name.

[rockyracoon]

Originally posted by wonderwes
So as we get near the 2 week point I am curious about this question.

There is a pre-show gathering already planned, as far as I know no post show is planned. As DMB fans from across the US converge on the city of Columbus, my question is have we reached out to the other message boards to join us.

I saw a long thread on nancies about people taking the trip to columbus. Have we contacted people from other boards or is this an antsmarching alone gathering? I have no clue which boards are bigger than others. Which are the other forum heavyweights?

My goal is to try to meet as many people as I can while down. So how many people are coming?

Oh yeah, our seats tickets should be mailed next week. I just have this bad feeling FedEx is going to drop them by when I am not home and somehow screw up the process of delivering them to my address. You get one shot per day with them. Miss them? You'll just have to wait till the next.

got KOCO? :ugh: what does that mean again? <please give KOCO lesson>

Someone can rant with me on AIM. Always looking for people to add to my buddy list. PM me for my AIM name.

first off. KOCO is short for Kick Off Cook Out... tell as many people as you like. i don't know how big the spot is where we are having it, but i'm sure there will be enough room

[davedesloover18]

drank thursday, drank friday...can anyone see a pattern and predict what I'll be doing shortly?
:D

[davedesloover18]

Gotta help the post count before I leave for the night. Everybody have a good saturday night, talk to you all tomorrow.

[twostone]

Well im in for the night for another exciting evening of being grounded, so ill be around :rolleyes:

[rockyracoon]

well i was looking forward to watching an exciting game 6 of the cup finals, but it seems to be over already. not necessarily over, but 3-0 after 1 doesn't look good for the devils

[DMBdude79]

Originally posted by rockyracoon
well i was looking forward to watching an exciting game 6 of the cup finals, but it seems to be over already. not necessarily over, but 3-0 after 1 doesn't look good for the devils

4-1 after 2. Not to mention my boy, #9 Paul "got the wind knocked out of me" Kariya. Not to mention he's got 3 POINTS!!! Almost made it 4 just now. Too bad I have to work Monday night for Game 7.

[rockyracoon]

he got knocked the fuck out. literally. they showed him right after the hit lying on the ice motionless, and i swear to you he was unconcious for a minute or two. and that goal he scored was a fuckin rocket. no goalie in the league would have stopped that shot. we're goin to game 7.

[DMBdude79]

Damn, I realized about half way through the second period that I have to work Monday night. It's a good thing I don't really work and can take a little 2" t.v. with me so I can at least hear what is going on.

Game 7 of the Stanley Cup Finals. Does it get any better then this????

[twostone]

Originally posted by DMBdude79
Damn, I realized about half way through the second period that I have to work Monday night. It's a good thing I don't really work and can take a little 2" t.v. with me so I can at least hear what is going on.

Game 7 of the Stanley Cup Finals. Does it get any better then this????
oh id say it gets a little better than this, how about dmb in 10 days :D

[rockyracoon]

Originally posted by DMBdude79
Game 7 of the Stanley Cup Finals. Does it get any better then this????

no sir, it does not! hell yeah to game 7's. especially the way this series has gone. it's only fitting that it comes down to 1 game. this is what those guys have played their entire lives for. as much as i want anaheim to lose, if they come out on top how do you not feel good for guys like oates and thomas and neidermeyer. guys who have been around for years and have never hoisted the holy grail.

[rockyracoon]

Originally posted by twostone
oh id say it gets a little better than this, how about dmb in 10 days :D

well, there is always exceptions

[Mongoose]

hello and good night, long day and night, so good night

[bdmb0814]

Originally posted by Mongoose
hello and good night, long day and night, so good night

Exactly...:rolleyes:

[ellirome]

well, I see not much is going on in here tonight.....:(

[ellirome]

Good night then........

Maybe tomorrow, when the weekend is winding down, we can get this thread rolling again!

Until then.......

[rockyracoon]

Originally posted by ellirome
Good night then........

Maybe tomorrow, when the weekend is winding down, we can get this thread rolling again!

Until then.......

this thread better get rolling again. you guys just can't sit back and let jon and i do all the work. this is ludachrist(?).

[rockyracoon]

looks like i have to carry this thread on my back once again. only if the heartbreak kid was here to help with the load. oh well,this time I'LL throw him through the window :lol

[rockyracoon]

i was just watching/listening to the live at folsom field dvd. while i was watching/listening, i realized that i couldn't hear leroi. i tried screwing with the audio choices but that didn't help. i never noticed it before. i can hardly hear him on that dvd. anyone else have that problem?

[rockyracoon]

i imagine i'll have to wait till tomorrow to get a friggin answer

[rockyracoon]

so we are now inside 10 days. anyone excited? if so, you sure fooled me.

[rockyracoon]

Originally posted by rockyracoon
where's everybody at? we at least have to get to 2700 by days end.

don't worry ryan. i'll get us there. :rolleyes:

[rockyracoon]

Originally posted by rockyracoon
don't worry ryan. i'll get us there. :rolleyes:

thanks man. my god, where would we be without you?

[rockyracoon]

Originally posted by rockyracoon
thanks man. my god, where would we be without you?

good question. now that i think about it, you and jon(a.k.a. The Rockers) are the backbone of this thread. thanks for keeping it up and running.

[rockyracoon]

Originally posted by rockyracoon
good question. now that i think about it, you and jon(a.k.a. The Rockers) are the backbone of this thread. thanks for keeping it up and running.

finally some appreciation around here.

[rockyracoon]

Originally posted by rockyracoon
finally some appreciation around here.

so, what did you do tonight?

[rockyracoon]

Originally posted by rockyracoon
so, what did you do tonight?

nothin much. sat around and watched game 6 of the cup finals and cleaned my room up a bit.

[rockyracoon]

Originally posted by rockyracoon
nothin much. sat around and watched game 6 of the cup finals and cleaned my room up a bit.

really? who won the game?

[rockyracoon]

Originally posted by rockyracoon
really? who won the game?

the ducks. 5-2. pretty good game though

[rockyracoon]

Originally posted by rockyracoon
the ducks. 5-2. pretty good game though

yeah i know. i watched it.

[rockyracoon]

Originally posted by rockyracoon
yeah i know. i watched it.

then why did you ask me who won?

[rockyracoon]

Originally posted by rockyracoon
then why did you ask me who won?

just to make sure you weren't lying about watching the game.

[rockyracoon]

Originally posted by rockyracoon
just to make sure you weren't lying about watching the game.

why would i lie about watching the game?

[rockyracoon]

Originally posted by rockyracoon
why would i lie about watching the game?

i don't know. i just wanted to make sure you were'nt.

[rockyracoon]

Originally posted by rockyracoon
i don't know. i just wanted to make sure you were'nt.

you're strange.

[rockyracoon]

Originally posted by rockyracoon
you're strange.

so are you.

[rockyracoon]

Originally posted by rockyracoon
so are you.

watch it man. i'm warning you.

[rockyracoon]

Originally posted by rockyracoon
watch it man. i'm warning you.

why? what are you gonna do about it?

[rockyracoon]

Originally posted by rockyracoon
why? what are you gonna do about it?

i'll put a spell on you.

[rockyracoon]

Originally posted by rockyracoon
i'll put a spell on you.

oh shit. sorry man, i was just playin around. i didn't know you'd get all huffy puffy about it.

[rockyracoon]

Originally posted by rockyracoon
oh shit. sorry man, i was just playin around. i didn't know you'd get all huffy puffy about it.

man, you know you can't fuck with me. you know i'm from the D

[rockyracoon]

Originally posted by rockyracoon
man, you know you can't fuck with me. you know i'm from the D

i know man. i'm sorry. i didn't mean to offend you.

[rockyracoon]

Originally posted by rockyracoon
i know man. i'm sorry. i didn't mean to offend you.

you're lucky. i just locked my glock up a few minutes ago.

[rockyracoon]

Originally posted by rockyracoon
you're lucky. i just locked my glock up a few minutes ago.

you have a glock? i hope you have a permit for it.

[rockyracoon]

Originally posted by rockyracoon
you have a glock? i hope you have a permit for it.

i don't need no permit mutha fucka, i'm from the D!

[rockyracoon]

Originally posted by rockyracoon
i don't need no permit mutha fucka, i'm from the D!

oh that's right. i forgot you were from there.

[rockyracoon]

Originally posted by rockyracoon
oh that's right. i forgot you were from there.

yeah, well now you know.

[rockyracoon]

Originally posted by rockyracoon
yeah, well now you know.

yes sir, i do.

[rockyracoon]

Originally posted by rockyracoon
yes sir, i do.

damn straight. mutha fucka

[rockyracoon]

Originally posted by rockyracoon
damn straight. mutha fucka

pardon me sir, but can you watch the cuss words? i have virgin ears.

[rockyracoon]

Originally posted by rockyracoon
pardon me sir, but can you watch the cuss words? i have virgin ears.

hell nah mutha fucka. this my house. i'll talk the way i want mutha fucka. fuck this, i'm outta here. i'm goin to watch me some perfect mutha fuckin strangers.

[wonderwes]

I am breaking the silence. The madness must not spread:evil :haha :evil

[ellirome]

Ryan.....YOU ARE CRAZY! I enjoyed the conversation that you had with.....well....yourself!

Thanks for making me laugh :lol :lol

[rcarlsn612]

quit smoking crack!!!!

[twostone]

:lol

Good way to help out our post count.

[rockyracoon]

don't ask me why i did that, because i have no idea. and i'm not gonna quit smoking crack. i enjoy it too much.

[ohiofiredancer]

So I'm thinking WH tickets will be mailed tomm....
...and it better not be raining like this for the shows....

-kt

[rockyracoon]

maybe it's just me, but i'm expecting major fuck ups with the ticket shipments. i think the wh waits way too long to send them out. i just think something is going to get fucked up. i hope i am wrong.

[rcarlsn612]

Originally posted by ohiofiredancer
So I'm thinking WH tickets will be mailed tomm....
...and it better not be raining like this for the shows....

-kt

no fucking shit, we need good weather.
i wouldn't mind a brief shower on one of the 5 nights tho

[ohiofiredancer]

Originally posted by rockyracoon
maybe it's just me, but i'm expecting major fuck ups with the ticket shipments. i think the wh waits way too long to send them out. i just think something is going to get fucked up. i hope i am wrong.
Me too because my concert plans for these shows have been so messed up already that I can just see problems with tickets...and the fact that my neighbor keeps getting MY mail has me worried.

[rockyracoon]

Originally posted by ohiofiredancer
Me too because my concert plans for these shows have been so messed up already that I can just see problems with tickets...and the fact that my neighbor keeps getting MY mail has me worried.

i don't think these come in the mail. i'm pretty sure fed ex delivers them to your door. so if they go to your neighbors house, they will realize it's not the right house and find yours. hopefully.

[Mongoose]

Yeah fed ex needs a signiture to deliver. so you neighbor cant get it unless he is you or signs for it and then you know he has it.

[twostone]

Nobody is going to be home at my house tomorrow, so i just left a note saying for them to leave the envelope and i left a signature as well, this worked for the winter tour so hopefully it works now

[bdmb0814]

Originally posted by Mongoose
Yeah fed ex needs a signiture to deliver. so you neighbor cant get it unless he is you or signs for it and then you know he has it.

Actually fed-ex doesn't need YOUR signature to leave it, they just need A signature saying that someone recieved it. So technically if it went to your neighbor's house, and they signed for it.... free tickets for them!

[Jshine5]

Hey what's up everyone. I am from Flint, MI and I just got clued into this humongous pre-show gathering. You guys have been doing a good job of hypin it up. Anyways, I wanted to ask, what time is everyone getting there? Since the gates don't open till 2 hours before, you are partying on the entrance road into the park? Then when the gates open, we all move inside? Also, I need a hotel...is there a particular one that everyone is staying at, so we can have a sweet ass post-show party? Any help is greatly appreciated.

Thanks, Jen

[cavecricket34]

Does anyone have an extra ticket for night 1? There's a lot of pairs for sale but I probably only need one.

[prelawmike07]

Originally posted by cavecricket34
Does anyone have an extra ticket for night 1? There's a lot of pairs for sale but I probably only need one.

i most certainly have a single available for night 1. it's a pavilion, section H, row V. let me know if you're interested!

prelawmike07@yahoo.com

[docdmb40]

Damn, catching up can be hard if you're gone a couple of days! I just got back today from Nashville, I was seeing my cousin pitch for the Fresno Grizzlies who were playing the Nashville Sounds. It was pretty neat seeing a couple guys get his autograph after the game, I used to play Nintendo with this guy! Anyways, I am sorry for being "that guy" on thursday night but it was fun nonetheless.

Doc

[docdmb40]

anyone still up? am i the only one who doesn't have to work tomorrow?

[twostone]

Originally posted by docdmb40
anyone still up? am i the only one who doesn't have to work tomorrow?
I'm here, have 4 semester exams tomorrow :mad:

[docdmb40]

Originally posted by twostone
I'm here, have 4 semester exams tomorrow :mad:

that sounds like more fun than i can handle!

[twostone]

Originally posted by docdmb40
that sounds like more fun than i can handle!
oh yea tell me about it, but a week from tomorrow i leave for columbus :D

[docdmb40]

Originally posted by twostone
oh yea tell me about it, but a week from tomorrow i leave for columbus :D

damn straight, I can't wait, for some reason I am mostly excited about the fact that it is the tour opener and I won't know what coming in the setlist. From years past I can tell my friends whats coming next but this will be a great experience!

[docdmb40]

Originally posted by docdmb40
damn straight, I can't wait, for some reason I am mostly excited about the fact that it is the tour opener and I won't know what coming in the setlist. From years past I can tell my friends whats coming next but this will be a great experience!

quoting myself for the first time. my friends think its neat that you can tell whats coming next but for myself it leaves something to be desired.