9-02-03 Bell Centre, Montreal, QC, Canada

[Joe M.]

Post comments regarding the 9-2-03 Bell Centre, Montreal, QC, Canada show here.

9-2-03 Bell Centre, Montreal, QC, Canada
Mendelsohn (mk4)
Berner (mk4v) (http://gravedigger.dnsalias.org/DMB%20Summer%202003/dmb2003-09-02.mk4v.txt)

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[FPrefect61]

No word on this show, huh? Canada's really slow this year.

Then again, they're all a bit slow, eh?

[greppson]

greg mendelhson(?) and scott berner taped it i believe. two different sources, but i haven't seen anything about them yet.

[greppson]

Originally posted by FPrefect61
No word on this show, huh? Canada's really slow this year.

Then again, they're all a bit slow, eh?
mark is a prime example.:lol

he's a great guy, you need to meet him soon. so much fun to chill with.:)

[dm40band]

Originally posted by greppson
greg mendelhson(?) and scott berner taped it i believe. two different sources, but i haven't seen anything about them yet.

that's right? Greg and Scott supposedly were the only 2 tapers recording the Canada shows so when 1 pops up the other should as well, but it should be soon that's what i am told....

[greppson]

Originally posted by dm40band
that's right? Greg and Scott supposedly were the only 2 tapers recording the Canada shows so when 1 pops up the other should as well, but it should be soon that's what i am told....
that's what someone said last week!:p

[mgleason]

Originally posted by FPrefect61
No word on this show, huh? Canada's really slow this year.

Then again, they're all a bit slow, eh?

Typical ignorant American thing to say :rolleyes:

Of course you could've just been joking around so I apologize if you are.

[Krazie Kidd]

well there is a track from the soundcheck floating around newsgroups

kev

[greppson]

Originally posted by mgleason
Typical ignorant American thing to say :rolleyes:

Of course you could've just been joking around so I apologize if you are.

he's joking, picking on mark_s who is also from canada. everybody picks on mark:)

[greppson]

Originally posted by Krazie Kidd
well there is a track from the soundcheck floating around newsgroups

kev
and DC...:)

but that is IEM not an aud recording. if they got the soundcheck, they might have IEM recorded the whole show, but who knows...

[Krazie Kidd]

Originally posted by greppson
and DC...:)

but that is IEM not an aud recording. if they got the soundcheck, they might have IEM recorded the whole show, but who knows...

this is true..but atleast something from the show is starting to surface...

kev

[greppson]

i doubt anyone would release the IEM of the show anyways. even if it did come out good. hell, most shows are IEM taped, but never released--and that's fine. they shouldn't be released. that's my take.

[Krazie Kidd]

i would agree that it shouldn't and probably won't be released but if it is a choice between nothing and an IEM then i will take that IEM...

kev

[watchtower69]

Looking for the show as well, have some great pictures if anyone is intrested, if you you want the pics or have the show email me at sampson_brian@hotmail.com

[Krazie Kidd]

i would love to see some pics...do you have them on webspace anywhere?

kev

[watchtower69]

Sorry, they are not on any site but I can msg a zip file with 31 picturs taken with a digital 2.0 mega pixel camera and there is 2 20sec video clips with no sound. I fyou wanna see them let me know.

[Krazie Kidd]

i would love to see them...can you e-mail them to me at kevinmcfaul@hotmail.com

thanks kev

[Mark]

Originally posted by FPrefect61
No word on this show, huh? Canada's really slow this year.

Then again, they're all a bit slow, eh?

"i moved here from canada, and they think i'm slow, eh?"

[Mark]

i was SO hoping this would be out by now :(

[Krazie Kidd]

i think we were all hoping that...i guess the tapers are just really busy...

kev

[Krazie Kidd]

if someone got the whole show IEM off newsgroups could you please PM me i am missing a couple of the tracks and maybe you could help me out...

thanks in advance
kev

[dm40band]

Originally posted by Krazie Kidd
if someone got the whole show IEM off newsgroups could you please PM me i am missing a couple of the tracks and maybe you could help me out...

thanks in advance
kev :confused:

[Krazie Kidd]

what is confusing?

i tried to get the IEM source off of news groups but some of the tracks weren't there...so i was hoping that someone on here had all the tracks and they could AIM them to me...

kev

[greppson]

kevin, hit me up on AIM.

[Krazie Kidd]

thanks to mark and jason for giving me a hand

kev

[MacDMB]

So IEMs are okay but commenting on my surprise that a show isn't out yet two days before the two weeks are up is not?

[dm40band]

Originally posted by MacDMB
So IEMs are okay but commenting on my surprise that a show isn't out yet two days before the two weeks are up is not?

well it is against dmb taping policy and ANTS, but you won't see any IEM's here at ANTS but your correct im really surprised that no one has said anything but then again i might be wrong cus talking about it its ok i think one of the admins would better answer this question

[Mark]

it is because we are talking about it. not trading them.

yeah, yeah, yeah, i know that Kevin asked for a file. but the show was widely available on the newsgroup

[Fishdisease]

ack...so I'm dying over here on the east coast...cant wait for the shows to surface...TO was an awesome show.

oh where oh where can they be eh?

FD

[greppson]

Originally posted by Fishdisease
ack...so I'm dying over here on the east coast...cant wait for the shows to surface...TO was an awesome show.

oh where oh where can they be eh?

FD

in the taper's hands.

[MacDMB]

I'm still confused. I was just talking about the show not being out yet not asking for it and I get ripped on.

But apparently talking about, asking for, and then thanking people for IEMs is ok on this board?

[MacDMB]

Wondering if my last question will ever be answered?

[Mark]

i wonder if you will drop it

[MacDMB]

Whats it to you? I'm asking the Krazie Kidd and Greppson.

Its crazy how I have to hear and answer to selfrighteous rants but I can't question the hypocrisy of them.

So the 2 week rule is more valid than the band's taping policy or what?

[Joe M.]

What do you want me to do MacDMB? Close this thread?

I can't stop people from talking.
I don't stop people when they mention IEM.
I don't stop people with they mention the 2 week rule.
I do stop people that create threads to trade IEMs.
I do stop people that create threads to get shows within 2 weeks of the shows performance.

[greppson]

i had the IEM, as i had gotten it off the groove, but I deleted it. i was curious to hear it and that is what i did--i listened to it and was done with it.

2 week rule more valid than the band's taping policy?

the two week rule was devised BY the tapers(as far as my understanding goes). if they had a problem with it, they would propose a change. just because show A comes out 2 days after a show DOES NOT mean that show B should come out 2 days after the show. the two week rule is out of the kindness of everyone to the tapers for using their own time and money to record shows. if they want to release it before the 2 week period is over or wait until months after the show, that is their perogative. as of right now, the 2 week rule does not seem to be outdated in my point of view as it gives tapers the time if they want it.

IEMs are an interesting dilemma in the community. the band doesn't allow them to be recorded, yet they are... and sometimes they get spread or find a way into the community in one form or another. it's important to be able to talk about them so people can understand how they aren't good for the community. yes, it may be cool to listen to one, but really, it's an invasion of privacy, and that is just wrong. let the band communicate in privacy and don't contribute to spreading these.

that may sound hypocritical to what i said earlier, but i had not heard an IEM before, and wanted to hear what it was like, just as so many others do. but i refuse to trade IEMs for the fact that i respect the band. IEMs and their implications need to be discussed in the community so that everyone understands how they jeopardize the trading and recording dmb community.

both are valid and important points in the community. if they needed to change more, further action would be taken (ie revising the 2 week rule or DMB management having increased perimeter security at every venue to thwart IEM taping).

just my thoughts.:)

[Mark]

well said Jason.

[MacDMB]

Originally posted by Joe M.
What do you want me to do MacDMB? Close this thread?

I can't stop people from talking.
I don't stop people when they mention IEM.
I don't stop people with they mention the 2 week rule.
I do stop people that create threads to trade IEMs.
I do stop people that create threads to get shows within 2 weeks of the shows performance.

I wasn't talking about the board or the moderators. Its pretty obvious you are all for the 2 week rule and against IEM trading.

I was talking to Krazie Kidd and Greppson. I just want to know why those two feel that the two week rule is worth defending/imposing on others with no real authority to back it up (i.e. moderator of a board) so strongly, while the IEM rule is not.

[MacDMB]

Originally posted by greppson
i had the IEM, as i had gotten it off the groove, but I deleted it. i was curious to hear it and that is what i did--i listened to it and was done with it.

2 week rule more valid than the band's taping policy?

the two week rule was devised BY the tapers(as far as my understanding goes). if they had a problem with it, they would propose a change. just because show A comes out 2 days after a show DOES NOT mean that show B should come out 2 days after the show. the two week rule is out of the kindness of everyone to the tapers for using their own time and money to record shows. if they want to release it before the 2 week period is over or wait until months after the show, that is their perogative. as of right now, the 2 week rule does not seem to be outdated in my point of view as it gives tapers the time if they want it.

IEMs are an interesting dilemma in the community. the band doesn't allow them to be recorded, yet they are... and sometimes they get spread or find a way into the community in one form or another. it's important to be able to talk about them so people can understand how they aren't good for the community. yes, it may be cool to listen to one, but really, it's an invasion of privacy, and that is just wrong. let the band communicate in privacy and don't contribute to spreading these.

that may sound hypocritical to what i said earlier, but i had not heard an IEM before, and wanted to hear what it was like, just as so many others do. but i refuse to trade IEMs for the fact that i respect the band. IEMs and their implications need to be discussed in the community so that everyone understands how they jeopardize the trading and recording dmb community.

both are valid and important points in the community. if they needed to change more, further action would be taken (ie revising the 2 week rule or DMB management having increased perimeter security at every venue to thwart IEM taping).

just my thoughts.:)

Thanks for the reply. I gotta run now though so I'll respond to it a little later.

[greppson]

well, to be honest anyone who trades DMB shows imposes and defends the 2 week rule (for the most part, not everyone) because it has long been the way and will most likely continue to be the way.

why does someone such as a moderator need to reply to every thread and say "2 weeks" when a few members of the community can do that same thing? in other words, isn't it more beneficial to the community if a member within in that community can accurately state and defend the rules of that community to new members or people within the community? i'd rather see a regular old ant say two weeks, which is usually the way it is, rather than a moderator have to come in and say it.

it's the same thing as someone asking a question within this community and someone stating "SEARCH" or "look up 3 threads" etc. everyone that has been around knows the rules as they way they are currently accepted BY THE ENTIRE trading community.

the IEM rule is a little shaky. some believe they should spread even though they are "illegal" and others don't. again, it was never stated that i gave an IEM to anyone or even pointed someone in the correct direction. i simply could have told kevin my thoughts on IEMs and tried to persuade him to not trade them.

if you have a problem with these, then i suggest you contact DMB management and become an official employee and become the "authority" to thwart IEMs and enforce the 2 week rule.

[MacDMB]

Originally posted by greppson
well, to be honest anyone who trades DMB shows imposes and defends the 2 week rule (for the most part, not everyone) because it has long been the way and will most likely continue to be the way.


Obviously I disagree with that. I think times have changed. Sure you could argue that tapers can release their recordings whenever they want and I would agree with that. But since the 2000 summer tour, the norm has been that a recording has surfaced within a week of the show happening. Times have changed and imo so should the rule. I'm not saying people should be able to ISO right when they get home from the show because thats just flat out idiotic. But the term "two weeks" is a standard that was set at least a couple years back and now with most shows if one taper doesn't release the show right away, another will.

Originally posted by greppson

why does someone such as a moderator need to reply to every thread and say "2 weeks" when a few members of the community can do that same thing? in other words, isn't it more beneficial to the community if a member within in that community can accurately state and defend the rules of that community to new members or people within the community? i'd rather see a regular old ant say two weeks, which is usually the way it is, rather than a moderator have to come in and say it.


I have nothing against a moderator saying "2 weeks". It is their board. (at least they moderate it) But when it comes to someone like you saying "2 weeks" and then sharing/spreading/trading IEMs in another thread then it loses all relevance.

Originally posted by greppson

the IEM rule is a little shaky. some believe they should spread even though they are "illegal" and others don't. again, it was never stated that i gave an IEM to anyone or even pointed someone in the correct direction. i simply could have told kevin my thoughts on IEMs and tried to persuade him to not trade them.


It isn't shakey. The band's taping policy is against IEM taping so why would anyone think that because its taped its ok to spread them?

I'm going to have to go back and read the thread again later but I'm sure either you or Krazie Kidd acknowledged having the IEM and offered to share it. Which I'm sure led to sharing the IEM recording. Again, I'm going to have to go back and read the thread to see where you stood.

Originally posted by greppson

if you have a problem with these, then i suggest you contact DMB management and become an official employee and become the "authority" to thwart IEMs and enforce the 2 week rule.

Thats rich. I should become the "authority" to enforce the 2 week rule?? This whole thing started with me commenting on my amazement that the Toronto show recording hadn't surfaced yet and you coming at me with your "2 week" rule. Then you turn around and perpetuate the sharing of IEMs (subject to me reading the thread over again) If anything you should become the authority on explaining why asking on a messageboard for a recording two days before the 2 week rule deadline is wrong and yet talking about/sharing IEM recordings, which are against the band's wishes, is ok.

[MacDMB]

Mark

i was SO hoping this would be out by now


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Mark

09-20-2003 01:08 AM



Krazie Kidd

i think we were all hoping that...i guess the tapers are just really busy...


09-20-2003 10:57 AM



Krazie Kidd

if someone got the whole show IEM off newsgroups could you please PM me i am missing a couple of the tracks and maybe you could help me out...

thanks in advance
kev

09-21-2003 04:02 PM



dm40band

quote:
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Originally posted by Krazie Kidd
if someone got the whole show IEM off newsgroups could you please PM me i am missing a couple of the tracks and maybe you could help me out...

thanks in advance
kev
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:confused:

09-21-2003 05:00 PM



Krazie Kidd

what is confusing?

i tried to get the IEM source off of news groups but some of the tracks weren't there...so i was hoping that someone on here had all the tracks and they could AIM them to me...

kev


09-21-2003 07:48 PM



greppson

kevin, hit me up on AIM.


09-21-2003 07:49 PM



Krazie Kidd

thanks to mark and jason for giving me a hand

kev

[MacDMB]

So now those series of posts beg a few questions...

Why didn't Mark get the whole 2 week rule earful for his comment?

Why can Krazie Kidd ask for and recieve IEM recordings and yet still have the right to post against someone else on the boards who contradicts the 2 week rule?

What did Mark and Jason give Krazie Kidd a hand in?

I think I can answer the third on my own. Those would be tracks in completeing his IEM recording of the Montreal show.

Whats the matter boys? Couldn't wait until a legitimate taper released the show?

Show any real taper these posts and they'll agree. You guys have no right acting all high and mighty.

[Mark]

Originally posted by MacDMB
So now those series of posts beg a few questions...

Why didn't Mark get the whole 2 week rule earful for his comment?



i guess you didn't notice the date i posted that one? :rolleyes: it was Sept. 20. the show was sept 2. therefore, i posted that 18 days after the show. two weeks is 14 days.



Why can Krazie Kidd ask for and recieve IEM recordings and yet still have the right to post against someone else on the boards who contradicts the 2 week rule?



who said he got anything from us? also, again, he posted it after the two weeks was up.



What did Mark and Jason give Krazie Kidd a hand in?



that is none of your fucking business. what happened between jason, kevin, and i was between us and us alone. it was done in private, off the board.



I think I can answer the third on my own. Those would be tracks in completeing his IEM recording of the Montreal show.


nice assumption. but you have no idea if it is true or not.


Whats the matter boys? Couldn't wait until a legitimate taper released the show?

Show any real taper these posts and they'll agree. You guys have no right acting all high and mighty.

again, how do you know i even have the IEM? you don't know. enough said. i have never once said that i have it.

i have one question for you: do you have any of the DMB dvd's that are traded around here? or any dmb show on video, at all.

[MacDMB]

Mark you're right. When I noticed the date you made the post I tried to edit it but this site doesn't allow you to edit a post after 5 mins. So I take that back.

But why deny it? You obviously shared an IEM. So lets not turn wether you guys shared it or not into the issue. I just want you to realize that you guys have no right coming down on any poster that does something you seem unfit because you're hypocrites.

I don't own any DVDs yet but I most definately own some videos. But you're missing my point. It doesn't matter that I own videos I'm not the one playing the part of the DMB trading ethics police on a messageboard and then trading an IEM over it. To be honest with you I don't care if people trade IEMs. They've got to be the biggest waste of time ever. But I just had to call you guys out on it because of your douchery in the Toronto thread.

[greppson]

Originally posted by MacDMB
So now those series of posts beg a few questions...

Why didn't Mark get the whole 2 week rule earful for his comment?

Why can Krazie Kidd ask for and recieve IEM recordings and yet still have the right to post against someone else on the boards who contradicts the 2 week rule?

What did Mark and Jason give Krazie Kidd a hand in?

I think I can answer the third on my own. Those would be tracks in completeing his IEM recording of the Montreal show.

Whats the matter boys? Couldn't wait until a legitimate taper released the show?

Show any real taper these posts and they'll agree. You guys have no right acting all high and mighty.

no, i did not share the IEM recording. I simply told kevin that it wasn't right to trade it. as i said before, i listened to the source that was hosted on the groove, found out it was an IEM, and deleted it.

[greppson]

Originally posted by MacDMB
I don't own any DVDs yet but I most definately own some videos.

how is owning a dvd different from owning a video of a show? (unless of course the videos are of tv appearances.

[greppson]

Originally posted by MacDMB
Obviously I disagree with that. I think times have changed. Sure you could argue that tapers can release their recordings whenever they want and I would agree with that. But since the 2000 summer tour, the norm has been that a recording has surfaced within a week of the show happening. Times have changed and imo so should the rule. I'm not saying people should be able to ISO right when they get home from the show because thats just flat out idiotic. But the term "two weeks" is a standard that was set at least a couple years back and now with most shows if one taper doesn't release the show right away, another will.

then it is up to the tapers to make a movement. not to us. their time, their money, their right to change. not ours. it's greediness expecting that a show should be out within even a week of the show, that ruins this community. i will agree that most shows do make it out within 5-7 days of the show, but: 1. the community couldn't agree to change it without the opinion of the tapers and 2. remember, the tapers do this because they like to. not because they have to or need to, but because they want to.

if you would like to see the rule changed, then i suggest you start contacting the tapers to hear their thoughts on the rule. at this website, we go by the 2 week rule. this website. if you want to not have to use the rule, then create your own website. AM.org goes by the standard that has been set for the community by the community. if it changed, i'm sure they would change the policies here as well. as a member of this community, i can inform new members or people asking about a show, that we try to obey the 2 week rule. that's all i did.

Originally posted by MacDMB
I have nothing against a moderator saying "2 weeks". It is their board. (at least they moderate it) But when it comes to someone like you saying "2 weeks" and then sharing/spreading/trading IEMs in another thread then it loses all relevance.

where did i say that i spread an IEM? the only time i admitted to downloading it was off the groove and then listening to it.

Originally posted by MacDMB
It isn't shakey. The band's taping policy is against IEM taping so why would anyone think that because its taped its ok to spread them?

I'm going to have to go back and read the thread again later but I'm sure either you or Krazie Kidd acknowledged having the IEM and offered to share it. Which I'm sure led to sharing the IEM recording. Again, I'm going to have to go back and read the thread to see where you stood.

you are right, the band's taping policy isn't shakey it at all. i wasn't the one who released it so in a sense, you should condemn that person more than you are me who simply listened to the show. i told kevin to "hit me up on AIM" so i could talk with him about IEM trading/spreading/whatever and try to convince him to NOT try to get the IEM because it hurts the community.

Originally posted by MacDMB
Thats rich. I should become the "authority" to enforce the 2 week rule?? This whole thing started with me commenting on my amazement that the Toronto show recording hadn't surfaced yet and you coming at me with your "2 week" rule. Then you turn around and perpetuate the sharing of IEMs (subject to me reading the thread over again) If anything you should become the authority on explaining why asking on a messageboard for a recording two days before the 2 week rule deadline is wrong and yet talking about/sharing IEM recordings, which are against the band's wishes, is ok.

well, you seem to want the 2 week rule to change because it seems outdated. i can see that, i can understand that, but i doubt there is anything i can do to change that by myself. we commented on your "surprisement of the toronto show not spreading" because it hadn't been two weeks--the rule that this website has adopted. again, just because other shows came out before the 2 week period was over, does not mean that we should expect all shows to come out within two weeks. that is just plain being greedy.

again, i will say that i never traded the IEM, i simply had conversations about it. and last i knew, nothing was wrong with having a conversation about it.

so just talking about IEMs is against band wishes? then you shouldn't really be criticizing me for discouraging trading of an IEM and go find the original person who uploaded it to the groove and the newsgroups and tell them.

[greppson]

oh and "IEM rule that was shaky" that i am referring to is talking about them on the boards. a website could close every thread and delete eveyr post mentioning the term IEM in it, but that wouldn't help convey the information that they shouldn't be spread.

[greppson]

Originally posted by greppson
i doubt anyone would release the IEM of the show anyways. even if it did come out good. hell, most shows are IEM taped, but never released--and that's fine. they shouldn't be released. that's my take.

just quoting myself from the beginning of this thread. :)

[greppson]

and as matt said in the toronto thread:

Originally posted by Matt
That's the problem. What I posted wasn't my opinion. It's the fact of the matter. I don't make the rules, I just go along with them, because what the tapers provide us, makes up a lot of the heart of this site. Think about it - without the open taping policy, a lot of what we offer here at the site wouldn't be possible. So I think we at least owe it to the tapers to let them make the call here. And unless there's some massive announcement sourced by the tapers, I don't see it changing anytime soon.

[MacDMB]

Ok so Kevin was thanking you and Mark for talking him out of completeing the Montreal show IEMs then? Can you honestly say you didn't send him any IEM files because the defensive manner in which Mark replied makes it pretty damn obvious he did. Then Kevin thanked you both? I guess Mark for sending him the tracks and you for talking him into deleteing them? :confused:

Also I saw the Montreal show torrent on the groove and instantly knew it was an IEM there was nothing mysterious about what the source was. It was even taken down not too long after being posted for that reason.

About the whole greedy thing. I don't see how expecting a show to surface before two weeks is up is greedy. I'm sure you can at least agree with me that it has been the norm since the 2000 tour because thats a fact. Not once did I ask for the recording or say I needed it. Of course I want to hear the recording I was there and it had a couple of must hear performances. But I fail to see how wanting to hear it again makes me greedy in anyway.

[greppson]

it's not greedy to want to hear it and i will agree that since roughly 2000 the shows have been coming out within the 2 week period, but not in every case, most this tour and the past few have been roughly a week to two weeks, with the exception of a few that have come out within a couple days of the show.

i guess changing the not changing the rule reasoning is that if we reduced it, it then puts more pressure on the taper... granted they don't have to follow any rules they don't want, but i think the 2 week period is more there as a way to halt the request for the show coming up within hours of the show. give them some breathing room rather than bombarding the tapers with posts, emails, IMs, whatever. that why i see the rule in effect, give them space... and it seems like it has worked successfully enough that it has given them the space and time they need, thus allowing some of them to release their tapes before the 2 week period is over.

what makes you appear greedy was the first post you had in the toronto thread:
Originally posted by MacDMB
Where the f^@& is this?

The wait is killing me.
you could have easily said something more along the lines that compared to the rest of the shows coming out for this tour, that these two shows were taking a more considerable amount of time... the fact that you made it look like you were impatient is what teed people off.

think of the 2 week period as a buffer zone for the taper, if they do choose to release their tapes, if you don't want to think of it still as a community accepted rule.

[MacDMB]

I may have been a little excessive in the wording but my thoughts on the 2 week rule are clear by now.

Could you please answer this for me?

"Ok so Kevin was thanking you and Mark for talking him out of completeing the Montreal show IEMs then? Can you honestly say you didn't send him any IEM files because the defensive manner in which Mark replied makes it pretty damn obvious he did. Then Kevin thanked you both? I guess Mark for sending him the tracks and you for talking him into deleteing them?

Also I saw the Montreal show torrent on the groove and instantly knew it was an IEM there was nothing mysterious about what the source was. It was even taken down not too long after being posted for that reason."

[greppson]

Originally posted by greppson
how is owning a dvd different from owning a video of a show? (unless of course the videos are of tv appearances)

can you answer this for me?

[greppson]

Originally posted by MacDMB
I may have been a little excessive in the wording but my thoughts on the 2 week rule are clear by now.

Could you please answer this for me?

"Ok so Kevin was thanking you and Mark for talking him out of completeing the Montreal show IEMs then? Can you honestly say you didn't send him any IEM files because the defensive manner in which Mark replied makes it pretty damn obvious he did. Then Kevin thanked you both? I guess Mark for sending him the tracks and you for talking him into deleteing them?

Also I saw the Montreal show torrent on the groove and instantly knew it was an IEM there was nothing mysterious about what the source was. It was even taken down not too long after being posted for that reason."

i have answered this ten times already, but yes, we convinced kevin to not download the IEM as 1. it wasn't worth it and 2. it's illegal.

mark, kevin, and i also know each other outside of this thread and have helped each other get shows before in the past. so any business we have is private and isn't something you need to know about. i don't understand why you are pushing this so much.

in response to seeing the montreal show on the groove, well it was either early in the morning or late at night, i forget which, but i saw 9-2-03 show and just clinked the torrent link because i was either on my way to work or on my way to bed. i usually check to see whos source it was and then just download it and worry about it later.

when i checked the show later, i realized the levels were weird and that it was actually an IEM. this story may sound like bullshit to you, but besides the central park show, this is the last show i have downloaded.

so think whatever you want. if you want to accuse me of trading IEMs go right ahead, but the fact of the matter is that i didn't. period.

i still don't understand why you are jumping on me for this. go find the thread at the groove(its closed now, but you should be able to find it) and condemn the idiot who posted the torrent for it.

[MacDMB]

Originally posted by greppson
can you answer this for me?

Sure.

It isn't different. I think people should be able to trade videos, IEMs, and sbds all they want. I also believe the 2 week standard is obsolete and its damn annoying having it preached to me because I make an impatient post 2 days before its up.

Then later when it comes out that one of these live DMB trading ethics enforcers (Krazie Kidd) is downloading an IEM and then asking for tracks to finish it on this messageboard I can't let something like that slide. He even got a little snappy when dm40band, a siteop, questioned his post asking for the tracks.

So my whole point is he had no right spewing his code of ethics at me. I don't see how someone can hold the 2 week rule to such regard and then disregard the band's taping policy.

If you're telling the truth about your stance on IEMs then I'm sorry for calling you a hypocrite. If you're lieing then you're a liar and a hypocrite.

Now do you see where I'm coming from? I got a little ticked with some of the responses I got in the Toronto thread for a couple of simple, little, 2 line posts. Then when I saw Krazie Kidd posting about downloading an IEM, which just flat out suck anyways, and asking for tracks for it. Then seeing posts that, to me, looked like you and Mark sending them to him and being acknowledged for it. I had to question where you guys got off being so preachy on a rule in one thread to disregarding a rule in another thread.

[bneiluj]

Sorry for my ignorance but what is IEM

[greppson]

in-ear monitor.

it is balanced according to each band member's specification, ie each channel of the band (vocal and instrumental) going into an earpiece. for dave, more carter (drums) and fonzi (bass) as well as himself, so he can hear what he is playing and adjust appropriately while playing.

the IEMs also allow the band members to communicate with each other using small microphones attached onto them.

[Krazie Kidd]

well, this was interesting

MacDMB i don't really know what you are attempting to accomplish.

Jason and Mark you guys are awesome for setting me straight and making me see that if i want to trade i should do it straight up.


kev

[dobyblue]

What an amazing conversation. Really excellent and very entertaining.
All I wanted to say was that Montreal is such a good place to go for a show. If anyone is in Montreal looking for a bloody good dinner before a show they should check out the Swiss Alphenhaus at the corner of Rue St. Catherine and Rue Saint-Marc
Here is the website
http://www.vivacityonline.com/eng/restaurant/Alpenhaus.html
The have a table d'hote offering for 2 roast rack of lambs for $41.75 that also comes with two appetizers, two desserts and two coff/teas!!!! (pay separately it's like $70)
I always order the Table D'Hote but start first with a cheese fondue. This place kicks ass!! I eat here before every Montreal F1 race as well.
The show:
I am in row 8 and I find it so cool to walk all the way down the stairs out onto the floor moving ever so much closer to the stage. I've watched so many people do that walk. Good to be one for a change. I sit in my seat and look at how close I am to Leroi's saxes. I laugh incredulously for a few minutes and then seriously consider going back up to the entrance JUST so I can walk to my excellent seat again. :)
Great start to a show. I love listening to Dave play The Stone. Quite possibly one of the hardest DMB/DJM songs to play on guitar and do it so solidly as he always does. Any guitarists that sing at the same time know what I'm talking about.
One Sweet World is always fantastic. how can you not help just dancing away to this one?
Grey Street was done well. I was in the 8th row thanks to the Warehouse and just have to say that this year the Warehouse was really worth it. My 3 2003 shows were excellent.
Fool To Think. 1st and only time hearing it live. Sounded slightly awkward at 1st but by the end I really enjoyed hearing it played. At the end Dave stares forward singing "You make a mess of me" then looks to his left with his eyebrow raised and screams "was I a fool?" then looks back to the front, eyebrow back down to normal "I'd dance a thousand steps for you" back over to the left, eyebrow thing, sly smile, "was I a fool?"
Really intense and made the night for me - *ducks* and I don't care if I get in shit for saying that *ducks* *ducks* I think Fool To Think is great. I like 9/8 time. I like 7/4 time for that matter as well.
Grace Is Gone - totally fantastic jam in this one. HOEDOWN!!! Can you say "hey Keithrow - teach that boy how to tie some rope, then throw some yardbird on that there BBQ"
Help Myself - great lighting in this song. "Summers here...." and the stage goes all purple. Dude on my left shares another doob with me (yea it was the guy I came to the show with - thanks Craig Jean for getting me all nice and charged up)
DDTW - thumping as usual.
Cry Freedom - Fuck I'm really thirsty again and I've already had 3 beer at the Alpenhaus (we were in a rush to get to the hotel and the show as my fucking lame car took 2 hours to fix the clutch cable before we could leave Toronto and get on the 401)
Cry Freedom sounds good and the guy at the end of the row is rocking away trying to make it hard for me to leave the aisle. I'm luckily stoned and don't feel like smacking him upside the head for not taking 2 seconds to let me get by.
Get to beer counter and remember that in Montreal there's no limit to how many beers you can walk around with. I buy 6 of the big big beer so I don't have to leave my most excellent seat again. 3 for Craig, 3 for me. I get back to the row during Too Much. I have 6 HUGE beers. If I spill them over everyone I'll probably get thrown out. I decide to wait till the end of the song so I don't upset the guy at the end of the row with the dead shirt on (or maybe it was a tyedye DMB shirt) and the leather trilby. I contemplate kicking him in the nads for looking like such a retard then get paranoid imagining him showing up for the Toronto gig with a pipe and deadly blowdarts that he sneaks past security at the Amphitheatre. Sure enough he was right close the next night as well.
He knows I've been standing during Too Much right beside him and seems to appreciate this well versed professional sports etiquette.
Crush - excellent jam. Stefan looks cool anyway.
WTWE - not any bad or good versions. Pretty much the same every time
Dug Rapunzel.
Sleep To Dream Her - I'm thinking that I'm fucked up and really wish I was listening to Stay or something I can dance too in my seat. Yay!!!! Tripping Billies!! Great ender. After the show go to Wanda's to look at some lovely...........