Help!!!

[dmbhead41]

I am going to start to d/l some shn shows, and had a question about getting started. I was following the steps before I could d/l the shows, and annts told me to d/l the antsdownloader and a .netframework. I was wondering if this was mandatory to d/l a shn show, or if I could get away with it. I have read the FAQ's and all that stuff, but there is no concrete answere to my question. Any help or comments are greatly appreciated. Thanks!

[deercreek]

If you want to download a show from the HTTP server with the antsdownloader, you have to have the antsdownloader and the .NET framework. You can download shns with just a web browser if you want, but the antsdownloader makes things easier.

[dmbhead41]

So I can d/l shn shows from ants and listen to them, burn them, etc... without the antsdownloader? Also, in what way does the antsdownloader make it easier?

[gbs3769]

Originally posted by dmbhead41
So I can d/l shn shows from ants and listen to them, burn them, etc... without the antsdownloader? Also, in what way does the antsdownloader make it easier?

That is correct. The downloader allows you to queue up an entire show and walk away while it downloads each individual song. Otherwise you would have to click on each song name to download it.

- Matt

[dmbhead41]

Originally posted by gbs3769
That is correct. The downloader allows you to queue up an entire show and walk away while it downloads each individual song. Otherwise you would have to click on each song name to download it.

- Matt

So would I have to wait till one song d/l before I could d/l another one? or could I just click a few at a time?

[dmbhead41]

I am also having some trouble installing my antsdownloader, I have d/l it as well as the .netframework, but seem to have some sort of error when I try to install the antsdownloader. Is there any advice anyone can give me?

[rhuss]

Originally posted by dmbhead41
I am also having some trouble installing my antsdownloader, I have d/l it as well as the .netframework, but seem to have some sort of error when I try to install the antsdownloader. Is there any advice anyone can give me?

whats the error?

[dmbhead41]

Originally posted by rhuss
whats the error?

I have d/l both the antsdownloader and the .netframework, but when I try to install the antsdownloader, a message comes up saying I have no .netframework. Any suggestions??....

[Joe M.]

download and install .net 1.1 the latest.

[rhuss]

linky (http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=262d25e3-f589-4842-8157-034d1e7cf3a3&DisplayLang=en)

[dmbhead41]

Well I d/l the 1.0 .netframework onto my desktop last night, and will d/l the antsdownloader today. So it should work now?

[rhuss]

you have to actually install the .net framework (run the exe).

downloading does not equal installing.

you can try the 1.0 .Net, if that doesn't please try the 1.1 .Net

btw your previous posts are very contradicting.

[dmbhead41]

Two things...I see that the are contradicting, I deleted both the .netframework and the antsdownloader yesterday, and was going to reinstall them. Now how do I install the .netframework? And eventually, how will I install the antsdownloader? Thanks for the help.

[rhuss]

Originally posted by dmbhead41
Two things...I see that the are contradicting, I deleted both the .netframework and the antsdownloader yesterday, and was going to reinstall them. Now how do I install the .netframework? And eventually, how will I install the antsdownloader? Thanks for the help.

ok. i got confused.

to install .net: run the exe that is downloaded for the .net framework

to install ants downloader: run the exe that is downloaded for the ants downloader

same way you would install any other program.

[dmbhead41]

Thanks for all the help. I will not be able to install both programs until later today, but I will let you know how it works out. One more thing, do I have to install the .netframework first?

[rhuss]

Originally posted by dmbhead41
do I have to install the .netframework first?

yes.

[dmbhead41]

Hey rhuss, what is your screen name for the internet. I want to try to get this stuff done today, and if I need help or run into trouble, you seem to know a good bit about the situation and I would like your help. Mine s/n is bigred1511. If you want to email me it instead, you can do it to bigred1511@aol.com. Thanks again for your help.

[rhuss]

Originally posted by dmbhead41
Hey rhuss, what is your screen name for the internet. I want to try to get this stuff done today, and if I need help or run into trouble, you seem to know a good bit about the situation and I would like your help. Mine s/n is bigred1511. If you want to email me it instead, you can do it to bigred1511@aol.com. Thanks again for your help.

thats probably the farthest thing from the truth since i don't use the ants downloader.

and that screen name u posted, is that for AOL IM?

just post a message back here if you run into trouble, me or one of the other uber-geeks can help ya :D

[dmbhead41]

Ok, that might be easier anyway. And my s/n is for aol. Talk to you later...

[dmbhead41]

Well I can't even get my .netframework installed, it says that something is corrupt when I try to open it. I will try the 1.1 version, any ideas what is going on?

[rhuss]

Originally posted by dmbhead41
Well I can't even get my .netframework installed, it says that something is corrupt when I try to open it. I will try the 1.1 version, any ideas what is going on?

no idea. try 1.1

[gbs3769]

Originally posted by dmbhead41
Well I can't even get my .netframework installed, it says that something is corrupt when I try to open it. I will try the 1.1 version, any ideas what is going on?

Could be a couple of things. Have you run Windows Update lately?

Have you scanned for a virus lately?

- Matt

[dmbhead41]

Well I got 1.1 installed last night. I will install antsdownloader today, I have it d/l but didn't have time to install it, and hopefully I will be d/l shows by tonight. Thanks for all the help guys.

[dmbhead41]

Ok I got antsdownloader installed, now I am going to put my username, password and such into it. I have one question. Will I put anything into the download dir, or leave it blank. And what is is for anyway, guess that was two questions. Any help is greatly appreciated.

[Mark]

put the name of the folder where you want the shn's to save to.

[dmbhead41]

Thanks a lot! I will get some shows one of these days!!! I hope.

[clevelandgirl]

How and where do i get the antsdownloader?

[rhuss]

Originally posted by clevelandgirl
How and where do i get the antsdownloader?

go here (http://www.antsmarching.org/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=55218)

please read all faq's and use the search function 1st before posting a problem. there are lots of ants downloader threads.

[dmbhead41]

All I do to d/l a show is double click on it and then save it to a folder right?

[XeroMav]

Save the .ants file to yer HD, and then double-click (or single click -> Enter...or whatever the heck you like) and it'll open the AntsDownloader. Everything from that point on is automatic. It'll grab the files listed in the .ants file, and when it's done the d/l window will say 'Finished!!!' at the bottom. Then you can do the whole verify/burn/whatever you do w/ shows.

BTW, before you say 'I can't find the SHNs' make sure you check the folder you are saving to. For example, if you set the d/l dir as D:\Downloads\DMB, a 1996 show will be in D:\Downloads\DMB\1996 and so forth. When in doubt, search for .shn...I'm surprised people don't think of that when they complain the files are missing...

[clevelandgirl]

Ok Im having trouble downloading now....it downloads half the shown tehn a message appears that says couldnot loggin check user name and passwork. meanwhile im still logged in on here.

[dmbhead41]

Ok, I d/l a show last night, and this morning I went to open it and nothing happened. Do I have to be online to open the show or can I do it offline, I think I still need to run the file through the antsdownloader. Any suggestions?

[rhuss]

what did u try and open?

have u read the FAQ's? if not please read them.

[dmbhead41]

I have read the faq's. I tried to open the shn file to listen to it, but I think I need winamp and the plugin to do so, is that right?...I need to d/l winamp and such to listen to the shn show?

[Mark]

yes, you need the shn plugin

[dmbhead41]

I am a pain....so once I get the winamp stuff, and I want to play the shn I just d/l, all I do is double click the shn file, and then it plays, or do I have to convert it to audio files through mkwact?

[rhuss]

Originally posted by dmbhead41
I am a pain....so once I get the winamp stuff, and I want to play the shn I just d/l, all I do is double click the shn file, and then it plays, or do I have to convert it to audio files through mkwact?

double click or drag and drop the shn to winamp.

*note* personally i would download winamp 2.7 or 2.8, not 3.0 and make sure you get the right shn plugin depending on what version of winamp you use

also most of the answers you need to know now are listed in the FAQ's. http://www.antsmarching.org/forum/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=24 like running md5's, listening to the shn's and what not.

and please don't pm me with the same ? that you posted here in the thread. i get the email that the thread has been posted to, you don't need to pm me too.

[dmbhead41]

Thanks a lot, yeah I get confused with the whole computer stuff. I don't have to be online to do this stuff right, like after I d/l the programs, I can do all of this without being online?

[rhuss]

Originally posted by dmbhead41
Thanks a lot, yeah I get confused with the whole computer stuff. I don't have to be online to do this stuff right, like after I d/l the programs, I can do all of this without being online?

you have to be online to download the shn's using the downloader.

you don't have to be online to run the md5's, convert shns to wav, listen the shn's

are you in dialup? you should look into B&P's or trading if you are. thats going to take forever to download shows.

[dmbhead41]

My primary goal was to just d/l a few shows, like I got one last night. So if I can get at least one a night, I will be satisfied. Oh yeah, does antsdownloader tell me how many tracks are on the show I d/l, I saw some posts were kids said they had like 12 out of 13 tracks. I want to make sure I am doing this right so I can help out others and get my shows.

[dmbhead41]

Ok so to get a show completely done, I have to d/l it from ants, save it to my folder where I keep the files, then once it d/l completely, I drag it over to the winamp, drop it in, let it convert, and then I can play it. To burn a cd of the show, I drag the show to mkwact, wait till it makes the show into an audio file, and then I burn my cd. I hope this is how you do it, because if it is, I have nothing else to ask, and you guys to thank.

[Mark]

dmbhead1: read the FAQ. that will answer your quesions.

[rhuss]

always always always run the md5's after the download is complete. go into the folder where is was downloaded, you should see at least one .md5 file (if not 1 md5 file per disk), right click on it and select 'verify' from the menu that comes up. this will open mkwact and will start verifying the shn's you have downloaded to make sure they are all ok. if a track fails you need to redownload the track.

winamp does not convert anything. once you get winamp and the shn plugin you can play the shn files.

to burn the audio to a cd, drag and drop the shn files into mkwact and it will convert the shn files to wav files. the open your burning software and burn an audio cd with the wav files. now the shows are split into discs for a reason, meaning all the disc 1 shn files (once converted to wav) will fit on 1 audio disc and all the disc 2 shn files (once converted to wav) will fit on 1 audio disc.

FAQ's:

FAQ #1 ro read (http://www.antsmarching.org/music/downloads/faq.php)

FAQ #2 to read (http://www.etree.org/faq_full.html)

FAQ #3 to read (http://wiki.etree.org/index.php?page=EtreeFAQ)

mark_s is right. you should really try and read all these FAQ's since most of your ?'s are answered there.

[dmbhead41]

Thanks again, I have read all thos FAQ's, but still felt unsure after reading them as to d/l and playing shows. I feel so much better now since I have talked to you two and got answeres from you. Thanks for that.

[gbs3769]

Originally posted by dmbhead41
Thanks again, I have read all thos FAQ's, but still felt unsure after reading them as to d/l and playing shows. I feel so much better now since I have talked to you two and got answeres from you. Thanks for that.

What exactly is unclear about the FAQ's?

- Matt

[dmbhead41]

Is the md5 a seperate file when the shn is d/l, or is it part of the shn, and what happens if you don't have one?

The FAQ's do not mention winamp, how to play the shn's once d/l, what to do when the .netframework has errors, and assume's that the reader understand all the technical terms of this type od d/l, I felt better actually talking to someone with experience rather than having a few questions answered.

[rhuss]

Originally posted by dmbhead41
Is the md5 a seperate file when the shn is d/l, or is it part of the shn, and what happens if you don't have one?


read my post, 2 or 3 posts up.

always always always run the md5's after the download is complete. go into the folder where is was downloaded, you should see at least one .md5 file (if not 1 md5 file per disk), right click on it and select 'verify' from the menu that comes up. this will open mkwact and will start verifying the shn's you have downloaded to make sure they are all ok. if a track fails you need to redownload the track.

the md5 is a seperate file. if you don't have them your doing something wrong.

and you have to read all the posts in the downloading issues/faq forum. it is all there.

shn's and winamp post (http://www.antsmarching.org/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=44811)

main thread with FAQ titles (http://www.antsmarching.org/forum/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=24)

[dmbhead41]

So if it is not there, I have to redownload the show?

[rhuss]

Originally posted by dmbhead41
So if it is not there, I have to redownload the show?

my guess is the show never fully finished downloading. did you try and restart the download? (do the same thing you did to start the download to restart it).

[dmbhead41]

tank ya very much

[dmbhead41]

*note* personally i would download winamp 2.7 or 2.8, not 3.0 and make sure you get the right shn plugin depending on what version of winamp you use

I was looking on the winamp website, and did not see either of those versions, only version 2, 2.9, and 3. Why do you recomend 2.7 and 2.8 over 3.0 and how would I get them?

[dmbhead41]

I might have a question that wasn't covered in the FAQ's. I was looking at the one section in downloads, called best shows to d/l or something to that extent. How would I d/l one of those shows? I clicked on the links and things, and tried to search for those names to d/l the shows on ants, but am still pretty new at this game. I want to d/l the best possible quality of show, any input....

[rhuss]

Originally posted by dmbhead41
I was looking on the winamp website, and did not see either of those versions, only version 2, 2.9, and 3. Why do you recomend 2.7 and 2.8 over 3.0 and how would I get them?

from what i heard 3.0 was not good. a nice memory hog and some other issues.

i use 2.8 now. you can try 2.9.

[dmbhead41]

Ok more trouble, I tried to put my shn into the mkwact, and this error came up..."Premature EOF on compressed stream" Now what does that one mean? And, that post about the best quality shows for the 2003 tour, how would I d/l one of those shows? Thanks a lot.

[rhuss]

Originally posted by dmbhead41
Ok more trouble, I tried to put my shn into the mkwact, and this error came up..."Premature EOF on compressed stream" Now what does that one mean?

did u run the md5's??? sounds like a bad file and you need to redownload that shn again.

Originally posted by dmbhead41
And, that post about the best quality shows for the 2003 tour, how would I d/l one of those shows? Thanks a lot.

if your talking about from the forums you can;t download shows from there. you can either download via http or antsdownloader from this website. there are other ways of downloading not associated with ants.

[Brut26]

I have an issue with the Download page. It could very well be my old computer. I would go in the download page. Hit Login browse down to 2003. Then, when I click the link to one of the shows (example 6-17-03) it would link me back to the years again (1990s-2003). I downloaded the shows the old fashion way (one file at a time) this past Aug 2002. If you can stear me the right direction that would greatly appreciate it. I admire ANTS.Orgs hard work. Thank you!

[rhuss]

Originally posted by Brut26
I have an issue with the Download page. It could very well be my old computer. I would go in the download page. Hit Login browse down to 2003. Then, when I click the link to one of the shows (example 6-17-03) it would link me back to the years again (1990s-2003). I downloaded the shows the old fashion way (one file at a time) this past Aug 2002. If you can stear me the right direction that would greatly appreciate it. I admire ANTS.Orgs hard work. Thank you!

Read the FAQ's

http://www.antsmarching.org/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=44760

[dmbhead41]

OK, I know that when you stop d/l a show, and click on it again it will start d/l where you left off, but last night I was d/l a show, about 13% done, and my power went off. It was off for about 15 mins, and when I got back online, I started to d/l the show again. The show started to d/l from the beginning, like it went 0 of 80MB downloaded, without showing that I had any part of that file d/l. Now my question is will the show d/l all over again, or since I had 13% done before, d/l up to 87% and then be complete?

[rhuss]

Originally posted by dmbhead41
OK, I know that when you stop d/l a show, and click on it again it will start d/l where you left off, but last night I was d/l a show, about 13% done, and my power went off. It was off for about 15 mins, and when I got back online, I started to d/l the show again. The show started to d/l from the beginning, like it went 0 of 80MB downloaded, without showing that I had any part of that file d/l. Now my question is will the show d/l all over again, or since I had 13% done before, d/l up to 87% and then be complete?

my guess is the initial transfer probably didn't write a full file to your pc and when the power went off the file was not saved.

you'll have to download the full show again 0% - 100%

i think you get the award for most ?'s asked ...

[Brut26]

Originally posted by rhuss
Read the FAQ's

http://www.antsmarching.org/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=44760

Thanks for the answer. I was checking the FAQs from the Downloads page by mistake.
It is probably the browser knowing it does the same thing even during non-peak hours and it worked last August. I will
try those hints.
Thank you.

[dmbhead41]

Originally posted by rhuss
my guess is the initial transfer probably didn't write a full file to your pc and when the power went off the file was not saved.

you'll have to download the full show again 0% - 100%

i think you get the award for most ?'s asked ...

When you want to know something, you ask it. So here is another one. This last time I d/l the show I was at 80% done, turned off the old aol, and went to the folder to check to see if anything was there. There was a winamp file, I played it and it was only 33 seconds long. I guess this means I have to d/l the whole thing all over, again?

[rhuss]

Originally posted by dmbhead41
This last time I d/l the show I was at 80% done, turned off the old aol, and went to the folder to check to see if anything was there. There was a winamp file, I played it and it was only 33 seconds long. I guess this means I have to d/l the whole thing all over, again?

if you stop the downloader before the full show is downloaded 100% you are going to have to restart it. if you stop the download yes a file could only have 33 seconds, it just depends on how much you got downloaded.

[dmbhead41]

Originally posted by rhuss
if you stop the downloader before the full show is downloaded 100% you are going to have to restart it. if you stop the download yes a file could only have 33 seconds, it just depends on how much you got downloaded.

So if I go back and start to d/l that same show I was 80% done with, it should start off and say 64MB out of 80MB downloaded and finish off what I started right? because I d/l this show after my computer messed up the first time and it started all over and only played 33 seconds after 80% done, I just thought it would play more I guess.

And if it starts all over again, am I doing something wrong?

[rhuss]

Originally posted by dmbhead41
So if I go back and start to d/l that same show I was 80% done with, it should start off and say 64MB out of 80MB downloaded and finish off what I started right? because I d/l this show after my computer messed up the first time and it started all over and only played 33 seconds after 80% done, I just thought it would play more I guess.

And if it starts all over again, am I doing something wrong?

i don't know. i can't answer that because i have never used the downloader.

is there only 1 file in the directory?

theres something funny though, cause there is no way the whole show is 80 MB ... hmmmm you might have only downloaded 80% of 1 shn, usually there is 15 - 20 shn's per show. not sure how downloader shows status' and such.

[dmbhead41]

Originally posted by rhuss
i don't know. i can't answer that because i have never used the downloader.

is there only 1 file in the directory?

theres something funny though, cause there is no way the whole show is 80 MB ... hmmmm you might have only downloaded 80% of 1 shn, usually there is 15 - 20 shn's per show. not sure how downloader shows status' and such.

I had no idea there was that many shns per show, I only thought there was on. So are you saying the files should be bigger or smaller than what I was d/l....I think I know what I am missing. See when I clicked on the show to d/l, there is a list of shn files, like I am trying to get the 6-17-03 shn, and then there is a series of shn files, ranging in file size, but there is two groups with numbers 1-8 in the last part of the file name, do I have to d/l all of those files in order to have a complete show?

[rhuss]

Originally posted by dmbhead41
I had no idea there was that many shns per show, I only thought there was on. So are you saying the files should be bigger or smaller than what I was d/l....I think I know what I am missing. See when I clicked on the show to d/l, there is a list of shn files, like I am trying to get the 6-17-03 shn, and then there is a series of shn files, ranging in file size, but there is two groups with numbers 1-8 in the last part of the file name, do I have to d/l all of those files in order to have a complete show?

yup. my guess is your on the 1st shn ... which in most shows is the intro. so you are probably 80% done with the 1st track.

there are multiple shn's per show and multiple discs per show.

for example:

Disc 1
dmb2003-06-17d1t01.shn
dmb2003-06-17d1t02.shn
dmb2003-06-17d1t03.shn ...

Disc 2
dmb2003-06-17d2t01.shn
dmb2003-06-17d2t02.shn
dmb2003-06-17d2t03.shn ...

my honest advice. either go and get a faster internet connection (cable or dsl) or do B&P's and trades. these shows are going to take a long time to download. most shows are around 800MB to over 1 GB.

[dmbhead41]

Originally posted by rhuss
yup. my guess is your on the 1st shn ... which in most shows is the intro. so you are probably 80% done with the 1st track.

there are multiple shn's per show and multiple discs per show.

for example:

Disc 1
dmb2003-06-17d1t01.shn
dmb2003-06-17d1t02.shn
dmb2003-06-17d1t03.shn ...

Disc 2
dmb2003-06-17d2t01.shn
dmb2003-06-17d2t02.shn
dmb2003-06-17d2t03.shn ...

my honest advice. either go and get a faster internet connection (cable or dsl) or do B&P's and trades. these shows are going to take a long time to download. most shows are around 800MB to over 1 GB.

WOW! I had no idea I was only d/l one part of the show, man that sucks. Well if I did continue on with my d/l process, could I d/l the shows out of order, or do they have to be d/l in succession?

[rhuss]

Originally posted by dmbhead41
WOW! I had no idea I was only d/l one part of the show, man that sucks. Well if I did continue on with my d/l process, could I d/l the shows out of order, or do they have to be d/l in succession?

download full shows out of order?

so 6/17 and then 6/20 and then 6/18? if thats what you mean, then yes.

download tracks out of order?

6/17 track 1, 6/17 track 5, 6/17 track 3? if thats what you mean, then no.

i think your getting in over your head using dial-up.

[dmbhead41]

thanks

[rhuss]

sorry to burst your bubble.

[dmbhead41]

That happens sometimes, oh well, there are bigger things in life to worry about than d/l shn's. Thanks for all the help and the patience. Take it easy. Are you going to any DMB shows this summer?

[clevelandgirl]

Ok...ive read EVERYTHING there si to read about d/l, playing and burning shows....I STIII DONT GET IT!!!! Is it just me? Someone PLEASE help with step by step instrustions! Im horrible at this whole computer thing! THANK YOU SOOO MUCH!