Official 24 Discussion (Greatest Show Ever)

[Jake]

Logan is still a patsy. He was convinced of this for his legacy.

[giantsfan]

dammit Audrey, I guess it had to be done

[joepsu0985]

dammit Audrey, I guess it had to be done

Yeah if not Jack would have been SOL.

[Dougie981641]

What an episode. I really thought that it was the first lady, but this is huge, one of the most incompetant characters ever as the ultimate bad guy? Holy nuts

[Dougie981641]

Logan is still a patsy. He was convinced of this for his legacy.
Great point. I wasn't even thinking that.

[giantsfan]

Yeah if not Jack would have been SOL.it just pisses me off, that one dude who works for Homeland Security who was accused of sexual harassment (btw, what the hell happened to that story line?) is just a dick every single minute he is on screen

[joepsu0985]

it just pisses me off, that one dude who works for Homeland Security who was accused of sexual harassment (btw, what the hell happened to that story line?) is just a dick every single minute he is on screen


It will be a damn good season if this Adminstration had its hand in a terrorist attack on this country. Not by intention but by accident. A+ to the writers thus far.

[bdfresh62]

Wow. What an episode. The writers totally threw us for a loop on that one.

[Bartndrpleez]

Then why the hell is the VP acting so shady? Why was he worried about Palmer's brother being at the compound? I guess he is involved or he is trying to ruin the President. We are missing a big piece of the puzzle here or we are looking into it too much.

Probably because they have two very different agendas. The VP just might be working to oust the president, which is HIS agenda. Whereas Logan is working his agenda of being a complete douchebag salami catcher.

[junior94]

What an episode. I really thought that it was the first lady, but this is huge, one of the most incompetant characters ever as the ultimate bad guy? Holy nuts

Oh wait, I'm confused, are you talking about President Bush or President Logan?

:p :evil :lol

that one dude who works for Homeland Security who was accused of sexual harassment (btw, what the hell happened to that story line?)

24 totally abandon a subplot afterwards that was used at the time to create high drama?? :eek NO!! :p


-I'm cool

[whoknew13]

Looks like the writers are big Keyser Soze fans...

[UglyNakedGuy]

Fuck I missed it cause I was watching opening day baseball and forgot, could someone lead me to a torrent of this weeks episode. :(

[thegreatr1]

i started to think logan was the big bad about 1/2 way through this episode...upon further thinking, it now makes sense that he was so easily talked into Marshal Law.

[whoknew13]

The one thing that bugs me is if Logan was in on it the entire time then how do they explain the *private* echange between him and Cummings? I understand that Logan would have to put on a show in front of everyone else but when Cummings first reveals to him that he is helping the terrorists they are alone.

[UglyNakedGuy]

Fuck I missed it cause I was watching opening day baseball and forgot, could someone lead me to a torrent of this weeks episode. :(



?????????????/

[giantsfan]

The one thing that bugs me is if Logan was in on it the entire time then how do they explain the *private* echange between him and Cummings? I understand that Logan would have to put on a show in front of everyone else but when Cummings first reveals to him that he is helping the terrorists they are alone.what I'm thinking is either Cummings was a trained well enough not to expose Logan, and/or Cummings didn't even know Logan was on his side

[greg87lax]

Fuck I missed it cause I was watching opening day baseball and forgot, could someone lead me to a torrent of this weeks episode. :(

http://www.torrentreactor.to/torrents/section_22

last night was episode 16

[@drian]

Maybe Logan isn't as bad as we think. I mean after last weeks show, we were left thinking that Audrey was in bed with the bed guys as well. There are some ways of explaining Logan on the phone with Henderson, other than Logan knowing about the plot the entire time.

[greg87lax]

Maybe Logan isn't as bad as we think. I mean after last weeks show, we were left thinking that Audrey was in bed with the bed guys as well. There are some ways of explaining Logan on the phone with Henderson, other than Logan knowing about the plot the entire time.
yeah, but he specifically said something about wanting jack dead

[@drian]

yeah, but he specifically said something about wanting jack dead

Henderson said

"Sir, Jack and Wayne won't be around much longer, I won't let you down"

Then Logan replied "see that you dont"

I know it seems pretty obvious that Logan is behind it. But there are also many things that suggest he isn't.

[Trippin4136]

Does this mean that Logan was behind a lot of the shit in season 4? Was he behind AFO being shot down?

Frankly, right now, after watching 24 for 5 years, I dunno WHAT THE HELL is going on. However, I am leaning on the premise that Logan was not involved in the nerve gas but has a personal vendetta to kill Jack after what happened last year.

[baloneybandit21]

it didnt take him very much convincing (as in most things) to agree to take jack out, so thats a big possibility, also henderson has similar feelings about jack, but they wouldve had to agree to something after jack was revealed to be alive and logan knows about hendersons involvement... basically i have no idea whats going on

[killymagee2000]

The one thing that bugs me is if Logan was in on it the entire time then how do they explain the *private* echange between him and Cummings? I understand that Logan would have to put on a show in front of everyone else but when Cummings first reveals to him that he is helping the terrorists they are alone.

I think that the answer is, Cummings didn't know who he was working for. Logan wouldn't give direct orders to Cummings. Cummings was receiving orders from other people, who were receiving orders fro other people, who were receiving orders from Henderson. The idea is to limit how many people know Logan is involved. The only person who doesknow that Logan is complicit is Henderson. I'm thinking that there is a deeper connection between Henderson and Logan.

[Trippin4136]

I agree with the Henderson/Logan relationship. The last 7 weeks are going to be mighty interesting.

[whoknew13]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=GSL7RqWbVVQ&search=24%20
Just take a look at Logan's face when he's told Henderson is a recaptured.

[greg87lax]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=GSL7RqWbVVQ&search=24%20
Just take a look at Logan's face when he's told Henderson is a recaptured.
that is kinda cool...but it doesn't mean a whole lot

[Footestompgp1]

i hope they get more into what Logan is planning in the next episode.

[AlpineValley804]

They will. Did you watch the preview after the last night's episode was over?

[AlpineValley804]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=GSL7RqWbVVQ&search=24%20
Just take a look at Logan's face when he's told Henderson is a recaptured.

This was the first time Henderson was captured. Tony is still alive as shown by this clip.

[whoknew13]

This was the first time Henderson was captured. Tony is still alive as shown by this clip.
Ok.. anyways when Logan hears of this instead of being happy that they got a suspect, the exact second that he's told it's henderson he sort of looks up and has that "o shit i might be caught" expression on his face, he then looks down and immediatly composes himself.

[Footestompgp1]

They will. Did you watch the preview after the last night's episode was over?

yeah but it seemed to be more the president trying to get jack for some reason...... evelyn only had proof as to who hederson was covering for not for what that person was doing. you know what i mean???

i could easily see them leaving the next episode hanging just as bad as this one. maybe not though....

[whoknew13]

yeah but it seemed to be more the president trying to get jack for some reason...... evelyn only had proof as to who hederson was covering for not for what that person was doing. you know what i mean???

i could easily see them leaving the next episode hanging just as bad as this one. maybe not though....
are spoiler tags that hard to use?

[junior94]

are spoiler tags that hard to use?

And how exactly did he ruin something for next week? If it's an issue of mentioning the exploration further into Logan's plan, um... they finished the episode with perhaps the biggest bombshell of the season -- would you not expect them to follow up on that just a tad next episode? :freak

[whoknew13]

There part where he says Logan goes after Jack next week. There was nothing to indicate that Logan was going to go after Jack in next weeks episode.

[Bron Yr Aur]

I've got a question...where the hell has Mike been the last couple episodes?

And I think they need to phase Chloe out. As in, kill her. Her character is so annoying, with all of those "fine"s...

Also, I have to say I think Kim is going to come back in a big way in the next few weeks or at least before the end of the season. They've taken her back out of a number of episodes, so I think she's going to come back into play with a bang and take us by surprise...

[thegreatr1]

could be part of why chase left her

[whoknew13]

And I think they need to phase Chloe out. As in, kill her. Her character is so annoying, with all of those "fine"s...


bite your tounge sir!

[DMB6800]

possible, but maybe not???

logan and lynn involved with the terrorists in some way, why does lynn need to supervise CTU? they've handled problems as bad as this before

i've stayed out of this thread all week cause i had to DVR the show and finally watched it last night......i called it awhile ago, and i was at least half right. of course that was in a spoiler tag so maybe not everyone saw it.

[baloneybandit21]

[quote=Bron Yr Aur]And I think they need to phase Chloe out. As in, kill her. Her character is so annoying, with all of those "fine"s...[quote]

what are you talking about? i crack up everytime she gives her sarcastic remarks and fines and stuff. i think its great comic relief since the rest of the show is always so dramatic and intense

[Bron Yr Aur]

Yeah, I crack up, too, because of how ridiculous she is...ANNOYING.

[Bartndrpleez]

Just caught a sneak peak of this week's episode. It was a one-minute clip, the first minute actually. Click the spoiler tag if you want to know what happens! YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!!

Jack is calling Audrey to tell her President Logan is behind everything during the day, including providing the terrorists with nerve gas which was what Evelyn (the First Lady's assistant) found out earlier that morning. That's what David Palmer found out from Evelyn, and that's why he was killed. Henderson is the one who gave the order for Palmer's assasination, but Logan was complicit. Evelyn has the evidence thru a phone conversation b/w Logan and Henderson and stored in a safe deposit box in a bank, and that's where Jack is headed. Because of the martial law, Jack asks Audrey for detailed satellite information about the military road blocks so they can bypass them.

Jack says "Audrey, as soon as I have the recording, we're going to have to involve your father. We need someone in the gov't, someone credible to present the evidence." Adrey tells him he's on his way back from a summit in Japan, and she'll call him ASAP. Jack tells Audrey to leave CTU before she does anything because "right now we can't trust anyone."

Hell of a lot of information in a one-minute clip eh??!!! I'm even more pumped for Monday night's show!!!!

[junior94]

Ok now because it's generally been talked about pretty openly in this thread that Sutherland was already signed for next season (indicating his character definitely won't die at the end of this one) this news I'm about to report, I wouldn't really call it spoiler info. And that is...

Kiefer Sutherland has officially signed on to do 3 more years of "24" after the current one, Daily Variety will report tomorrow.

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117941245?categoryid=14&cs=1&s=h&p=0

I would also say that you couldn't claim this is any type of spoiler info for next season either (on whether or not he might die at the end of that one) because honestly, this news would've been impossible to avoid by then, so either way you were gonna find out Jack Bauer would survive at least 3 more "days". Anyway, I have to say I'm really surprised to hear this. As I've mentioned now in a couple different posts in this thread, I severaly doubted that he would stay on for even as many as 2 more additional seasons after this one, I just sincerely thought he'd be ready to move onto other things full time (and the producers wanting to test the power of the series concept, wanting to stay in production but with a different lead). FYI, there's also news regarding any impending "24" feature film in that news story (also note: there is NOTHING in that story that would be any spoiler for this season at all, so any fan is safe to read it).

[tankdan]

Wow, three more years.... That's awesome. Just think of how many more story lines we'll get to see! Frankly, I've had enough of 1) Nuclear bombs and 2) Moles/traitors. I wonder if the show will have a few international episodes, like with Mexico in S3. It's hard to do because of travel time, but I think getting out of LA would be a nice refresher. Also, I wonder if we'll ever see any folks from other CTU locations. You gotta figure that there's a CTU in the major cities.
Anyway. Good times.
Dan

Oh, and I forgot to mention... Does anyone else get REALLY excited whenever they see the preview for "The Sentinel," Kiefer's upcoming movie? Seems like a perfrect role for him.

[tankdan]

Okay, I've been trying to find out exactly how to insert a spoiler tag in the post, but nothing has been clear enough. Would anyone be kind enough to lay it out for me?

In other news... 24 TONIGHT! I've been rewatching S4, so I don't really remember where we left off.... except with the big Logan bombshell they dropped on us.

Happy Monday.
Dan

[AlpineValley804]

Wow, three more years.... That's awesome. Just think of how many more story lines we'll get to see! Frankly, I've had enough of 1) Nuclear bombs and 2) Moles/traitors. I wonder if the show will have a few international episodes, like with Mexico in S3. It's hard to do because of travel time, but I think getting out of LA would be a nice refresher. Also, I wonder if we'll ever see any folks from other CTU locations. You gotta figure that there's a CTU in the major cities.
Anyway. Good times.
Dan

Oh, and I forgot to mention... Does anyone else get REALLY excited whenever they see the preview for "The Sentinel," Kiefer's upcoming movie? Seems like a perfrect role for him.

I'm looking forward to the movie, but not jittery over it. But it looks like a good movie to watch if you have 2 hours to kill. I don't think I'll get jittery when watching a movie trailer until they finally release the trailer for the sequel to Batman Begins.

[UNC41]

I'm looking forward to the movie, but not jittery over it. But it looks like a good movie to watch if you have 2 hours to kill. I don't think I'll get jittery when watching a movie trailer until they finally release the trailer for the sequel to Batman Begins.

It looks like a movie where Jack Bauer somehow finds a way to become undercover in the U.S. government. I like it.

[killymagee2000]

Did anyone buy the S4 DVDs? If so, did you watch the 5 minute prequel? I believe that there are some issues that need to be dealt with from the prequel that have yet to be addressed.

I think that this season is all about getting Jack. That's it. After last season Logan issued orders to have Jack brought in and turned over to the Chinese authorities. Jack faked his own death in order to avoid being handed over to the Chinese. In the prequel, Chinese people find Jack in Chicago and go after him after he meets up with Chloe. Clearly someone knew he was still alive. Then, at the beginning of S5, everyone who knew Jack was still alive started getting mowed down, beginning with Palmer. And don't forget that a doctored video of Jack was used to implicate him in Palmer's assasination. After all, once that video is released to the public, his face shows up everywhere and he can no longer remain underground. What better way to bring Jack out of hiding then to kill everyone who knew that he was still alive, and make it look like he did it? And then create a terrorist plot to release nerve gas, a plot which was easily solved by Jack. I think Logan was approached by Chinese officials and told that if Jack wasn't found alive and delivered to them, then there would be some serious consequences.

[bdfresh62]

Did anyone buy the S4 DVDs? If so, did you watch the 5 minute prequel? I believe that there are some issues that need to be dealt with from the prequel that have yet to be addressed.

I think that this season is all about getting Jack. That's it. After last season Logan issued orders to have Jack brought in and turned over to the Chinese authorities. Jack faked his own death in order to avoid being handed over to the Chinese. In the prequel, Chinese people find Jack in Chicago and go after him after he meets up with Chloe. Clearly someone knew he was still alive. Then, at the beginning of S5, everyone who knew Jack was still alive started getting mowed down, beginning with Palmer. And don't forget that a doctored video of Jack was used to implicate him in Palmer's assasination. After all, once that video is released to the public, his face shows up everywhere and he can no longer remain underground. What better way to bring Jack out of hiding then to kill everyone who knew that he was still alive, and make it look like he did it? And then create a terrorist plot to release nerve gas, a plot which was easily solved by Jack. I think Logan was approached by Chinese officials and told that if Jack wasn't found alive and delivered to them, then there would be some serious consequences.


Hmm very nice idea you have there. Seems very plausible. In other news, in The USA Today there is an article on Gregory itzin who plays President Logan. It talks about how he is behind the days events thus far. Pretty good read if you guys have the time to pick it up.

[Trippin4136]

This may have been discussed but...I think that the Rolling Stone article on Kiefer was absolutely amazing. Maybe the best article I've read in RS in a long, long time. Kiefer lives a wild life and seems hellbent in his own life much like his character - which is why I think he got the role in the first place. If you haven't read I HIGHLY suggest picking up a copy of RS.

The shorter blurb about the 24 itself is a real compelling read also.

[junior94]

[quote=tankdan - Okay, I've been trying to find out exactly how to insert a spoiler tag in the post, but nothing has been clear enough. Would anyone be kind enough to lay it out for me?[/quote]

First of all on the topic of THE SENTINEL, as much as I'd probably wouldn't mind seeing it myself, actually every time I see the preview (especially when it's during a "24" commercial break) I kinda laugh, because it looks like virtually no difference from the Jack Bauer role. Hell think about it, in the film he has to investigate the seemingly evil wrong-doings done by the man who "taught him everything he knows", his professional mentor.... sound familiar? :D :lol

As to your question on how to create a spoiler tag, no problem. You first start at the beginning of your spoiler text with writing "[ spoiler ]" (minus the quotes and all the spaces I put in there) and at the very end of the spoiler text, just as with doing a quote, you write "[ / spoiler ]" (again, minus all the spaces)
When done correctly, you'll have this...

here be your spoiler text ;)

[tankdan]

Junior94,

Thanks alot for the spoiler instructions. I almost tried doing exactly what you said, but I didn't want to be the ass who screwed up and let the spoiler out there for all to see.

Testing 1,2,3... So does anyone think that Jack will end up killing Logan, or will Logan simply end up in jail?

Actual spoiler to follow, if this test run goes right...

three hours to go!

Dan

[tankdan]

Okay, real spoiler now... I'm glad that the spoiler tag worked!!

In an article on a possible "24" movie, it said that the producers would likely opt for condensing the 24-hour storyline into two hours. Does anyone prefer this method to doing a realtime movie, albeit only over two hours? I would prefer real-time.

Dan

[bdfresh62]

Here is that article from the USA Today. it was posted on Yahoo!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/usatoday/20060410/en_usatoday/24prezpivotsfromweaseltoevil

In the latest of 24's sharp left turns, the weasel turns out to be the villain.

Ineffectual, weak-kneed President Charles Logan was the man responsible for putting deadly nerve gas into the hands of Russian terrorists. As usual, the plan went horribly awry.

But the complicit commander in chief provides the fuel for this season's final third, beginning tonight (Fox, 9 ET/PT), and shines a spotlight on
Gregory Itzin, 57, a veteran character actor who has made Logan a career-defining role. He says fans call Logan "prickly, irritating, vacillating and worm-like. All that sort of stuff has been thrown at me."

Itzin loves every minute of it. The role marks "the culmination of a long TV political career" playing countless district attorneys (Matlock, The Practice), the
FBI director (NCIS), a State Department rep (The West Wing) and other "wordy mouthpieces" on law and crime shows. Usually, "I am a foil or information pusher or nemesis. This is the first time I have been allowed to create a character with many facets."

For some viewers, the latest facet was hard to swallow, even by the plausibility-stretching rules of 24, which is enjoying its strongest season in the ratings, averaging 14 million viewers.

Producers decided in October that Logan would be the villain, but Itzin was told much later. He played early scenes - accusing aide Walt Cummings of treason - with no knowledge of Logan's complicity. "When I found out, I'm sure it was psychological, but I got almost physically ill," he says. Yet "I had a sense that the string was running out; I couldn't continue to be the same guy and have it be as interesting."

Executive producer Evan Katz says the revelation was no Jekyll-and-Hyde moment for Logan, who had only been acting feeble. "It's not a ridiculous contrast; it's more a man hiding a secret and being a little smarter about how he projects himself than we thought."

"How many times have we been duped by someone we thought was stupid?" says star
Kiefer Sutherland. "When people are underestimated, it becomes very dangerous; it gives them a sort of cover." He says the shock owes much to Itzin's layered, gear-shifting portrayal, and his story line "has really been, for me, the real great aspect of Season 5."

In prime-time dramas, "nobody's ever made the president the villain," Katz says. "The shock of that really appealed to us." So with the nerve-gas threat eliminated, eight remaining episodes will focus on Logan's attempt to thwart Jack Bauer's effort to unmask him.

"What could be a better adversary for Jack than the most powerful man in the world?" Katz says.

[clayj41]

I won't be able to watch tonight's episode. I guess I'll just catch it on bit torrent or youtube.:(

[Tiduwho]

Life has meaning for the next hour again.

[bdb23]

:lol

[Tiduwho]

Alright! They're bringing Ted Kennedy back into it!

Go DoD!

[bdb23]

Alright! They're bringing Ted Kennedy back into it!

Go DoD!
:thumbsup

[Tiduwho]

Well at least the lesbian can sense that something is up. I wouldn't be surprised if Chester the Molester was working with Logan though.

[junior94]

Haha!! Way to go Chloe!! You anticipated the transponder signal! atta girl :D

[clayj41]

I won't be able to watch tonight's episode. I guess I'll just catch it on bit torrent or youtube.:(

Thankfully, this comment is completely false!:multi

[bdb23]

Aaron is a smart cookie.

[bdb23]

Thankfully, this comment is completely false!:multi
:loser :D

[Tiduwho]

It's amazing what a different air Logan has now. Good acting. The VP looks confused and a bit afraid compared to how they interacted when he first showed up.

[clayj41]

:loser :D

I know.:lol

[bdb23]

My heart is beginning to race. This is getting good.

[Tiduwho]

Oh man, this is just such good writing!!

The past few episodes have been some of the best TV I've ever seen. I can't believe how pumped I am right now!!

[junior94]

And there's another "Sentinel" preview. Those of you clammering for a 24 movie, you've essentially got it right there :D

[Tiduwho]

I'm still wondering where the hell Mike Novick is though...

[bdb23]

Me too.

[bdb23]

Don't like the music during this Chloe server deal. Too Bond-ish.

[bdb23]

DAMN!!!! :shock

[wvumascotdmb]

ok this is my first season watching 24 and i am soooo hooked is the first three seasons just as good?

[Tiduwho]

First 4.

[wvumascotdmb]

First 4.

well???

[bdb23]

Yes. 24 has been a non-stop series for each season.

[wvumascotdmb]

excellent I shall go purchase all the seasons on dvd!!! I need more 24! WOW THAT Rhymed!

[bdfresh62]

Don't like the music during this Chloe server deal. Too Bond-ish.

No way. That music was hardcore. Great episode tonight.

[AlpineValley804]

I remember someone saying a couple weeks ago that Jack Bauer is now the only one left that has appeared in all 5 seasons. Correction: Aaron has been in every season as well.

[tankdan]

I wonder what Jack's plan is... Does he want Heller to call together the cabinet or simply go public with the info?

Dan

[junior94]

I think there's still going to be at least one major death to occur before the end of the season, and I'm calling my pick right now. It's just an eerie feeling I have, not even saying it's based on anything in particular, but I got a sneaking suspicion that miss Audrey Raines won't live to see 7:01am.

[Tiduwho]

Man, well I sure hope they aren't bringing Ted Kennedy back just to kill him off. That'd suck. Same thing if Aaron got whacked.

[Tak_a_Tak]

Don't like the music during this Chloe server deal. Too Bond-ish.
:thumbsup

I said the same thing. (But I kind'a liked it)

[Tak_a_Tak]

I remember someone saying a couple weeks ago that Jack Bauer is now the only one left that has appeared in all 5 seasons. Correction: Aaron has been in every season as well.

President Palmer? Hasn't he been in every season?

[baloneybandit21]

Don't like the music during this Chloe server deal. Too Bond-ish.

yeah it kept pissing me off, i was complaining about it to my bro:twenty4

[AlpineValley804]

President Palmer? Hasn't he been in every season?

I mean characters still living.

[AlpineValley804]

President Palmer? Hasn't he been in every season?

I mean characters still living.

[Tak_a_Tak]

I mean characters still living.


oops....sorry.

[DaveismyWeapon]

http://www.cnn.com/2006/SHOWBIZ/TV/04/10/television.sutherland.reut/index.html

Jack is officially loaded. . .oh yeah, 3 more years of 24 :twenty4

[junior94]

http://www.cnn.com/2006/SHOWBIZ/TV/04/10/television.sutherland.reut/index.html

Jack is officially loaded. . .oh yeah, 3 more years of 24 :twenty4

um, right, just like I posted a page or two ago (or just about this time last night).

[Footestompgp1]

I remember someone saying a couple weeks ago that Jack Bauer is now the only one left that has appeared in all 5 seasons. Correction: Aaron has been in every season as well.

as well as mike novack.....i think, i missed season 2 or 3, i don't know which one....

[asmjm39]

novick was not in S3

[Matt]

Don't like the music during this Chloe server deal. Too Bond-ish.

Wow - I think Callery has been at his best since Season 1. This year's soundtrack has been incredible. The best on TV, easily.

[Trippin4136]

Yes. 24 has been a non-stop series for each season.

No that is not true. For S1 thru S3, the seasons began in October, would take 3 weeks off in December around Christmas and New Years and specifically to S3 they took a 6 week break at somepoint during February and March.

Only S4 and S5 have been non-stop.

[bdb23]

No that is not true. For S1 thru S3, the seasons began in October, would take 3 weeks off in December around Christmas and New Years and specifically to S3 they took a 6 week break at somepoint during February and March.

Only S4 and S5 have been non-stop.
He was talking about being whether the other seasons were as action-packed. I don't think you will find many opportunities to correct me in this thread.

[dobyblue]

I didn't like the music during Sean Astin's final scene, but last night's music was very cool.
I've enjoyed Callery's score during this season, he's had some awesome bass lines groovin' which can really make a scene if you're watching in 5.1 with a nice sub (or in 2.0 with your 7.1 processing on :))

[dobyblue]

No that is not true. For S1 thru S3, the seasons began in October, would take 3 weeks off in December around Christmas and New Years and specifically to S3 they took a 6 week break at somepoint during February and March.

Only S4 and S5 have been non-stop.
They never took 6 weeks off, the longest was 3 weeks twice during S3 and that was because of American Idol. (vomit)
Thankfully since they changed to Mondays there have been no breaks.

[Trippin4136]

He was talking about being whether the other seasons were as action-packed. I don't think you will find many opportunities to correct me in this thread.

As I the same...I've been watching the show since the airing of the 1st hour of S1

[dobyblue]

Moi aussi - I knew it was something special right from Mandy exploding that plane, but I never would have guessed how important it would become so quickly in my week to week schedule.
:D
Very happy for Keifer that he got back in the game; far too good an actor to stay down for long.

[baloneybandit21]

anyone read the new rolling stone with keifer on the cover, it really gives an in-depth look into kiefer's life and mind. hes really kind of a creepy guy, but hes the man of course

[Trippin4136]

I thought that article was fantastic, one of the best articles in RS I've read in a long, long time.

[baloneybandit21]

i like that kiefer was real cool with the reporter, open and honest about almost everything that is going on or has gone on in his life

[2stepp41]

3 more years!

[Bron Yr Aur]

Wow - I think Callery has been at his best since Season 1. This year's soundtrack has been incredible. The best on TV, easily.

Yeah, the music is really the one thing that has gotten better, even though it was great at the start.

Though, after getting the Season 2 DVD's, I've almost finished up the season, and it's really disappointing to watch Season 5 after Season 2. So far, I've only seen about the first quarter of 3, all of 1, and all of 2, and I have to say 2 is just the best. It's quite amazing what they were able to do with season 2. There is just so much emotion between the characters; even the least important ones. George's storyline is just amazing, and Kim's isn't as annoying as in S1; the moment they opened up the trunk of Gary's car to find Carla...great moment. Xander Berkeley just portrays George so well in this season, and he's definitely one of the best characters during the show's run.

What I really miss about S1 and S2, that has been absent for a while now, is the cinematography. The recurrent split screens really set the show apart, showing all the angles of a situation, or the multiple characters. The look is just so much better than it is now.

[baloneybandit21]

i didnt even realize how little they use it, until i was just looking back at a few older episodes here and there from my dvds, and now that i noticed i really do miss it

[joepsu0985]

Wow - I think Callery has been at his best since Season 1. This year's soundtrack has been incredible. The best on TV, easily.

I loved the music all season. It was intense during that scene last night.

[dobyblue]

So far, I've only seen about the first quarter of 3, all of 1, and all of 2, and I have to say 2 is just the best.
Wait until you've finished Season 3! :D

[Matt]

The show really has been a different beast since season 1. Any 'new' viewers who haven't seen S1 and are used to the recent seasons' fast pace would probably find S1 slow. Not necessarily bad, but very slow in comparison. Whereas S1's episode cliffhangers were simply character development, or situational developments, recent seasons have been non-stop action; which is good - it's just different than S1.

[Matt]

Wait until you've finished Season 3! :D
I'd personally rank them:
1. S1
2. S2
3. S5
4. S4
5. S3

With Season 3 clearly being my least favorite, and 2, 5, and 4 all being pretty close together. There was just a stretch in the middle of S3 where I didn't feel comfortable with what I was watching; like they had lost the path. There were articles written about it as well. However, I will say, the last 6 eps of S3 were probably some of the best 6 hours of television ever.

[Barkeep]

Maybe I'm getting too far ahead of myself, but after watching this last episode with the re-introduction of Secretary Heller and his possible future role in this season I'm starting to think -

James Heller for President in Season 6
Let's bring some integrity back to the oval office.

[WolfmanDMB]

Maybe I'm getting too far ahead of myself, but after watching this last episode with the re-introduction of Secretary Heller and his possible future role in this season I'm starting to think -

James Heller for President in Season 6
Let's bring some integrity back to the oval office.

:thumbsup :thumbsup

[Bartender84]

The one thing that this season has done so much better than other seasons is that there are no really pointless storylines. Like Kim's Adventures in S2 or Miliken in S3. Everything adds to the main plot.

[AlpineValley804]

Maybe I'm getting too far ahead of myself, but after watching this last episode with the re-introduction of Secretary Heller and his possible future role in this season I'm starting to think -

James Heller for President in Season 6
Let's bring some integrity back to the oval office.

:thumbsup:thumbsup

Mike Novak as Vice President.

[Franchize41]

The one thing that this season has done so much better than other seasons is that there are no really pointless storylines. Like Kim's Adventures in S2 or Miliken in S3. Everything adds to the main plot.

sexual harrassment chick, but ya, thats the only pointless one I can think of

[taphntm]

I've only seen seasons 1 and 4 so far but I'd say this season has a lot more character depth. Season 1 involved more watching jack in pain, but this season seems to have better script for the other characters to me. ... well, actually what I mean is the characters are more interesting and weird to me.

[Bron Yr Aur]

The show really has been a different beast since season 1. Any 'new' viewers who haven't seen S1 and are used to the recent seasons' fast pace would probably find S1 slow. Not necessarily bad, but very slow in comparison. Whereas S1's episode cliffhangers were simply character development, or situational developments, recent seasons have been non-stop action; which is good - it's just different than S1.

The middle, afternoon hours of S1 did tend to be slow, but the storylines throughout were the most believable, and the last 6 hours, beginning with the episode where Jack discovers the detention facility, are truly amazing.

The first few episodes of S2 are pretty lame, but after that, it's pretty excellent. The middle hours are fantastic, and the character development throughout the season is excellent. There are some really heartbreaking moments throughout. And George's character through those episodes is so excellent that season. S2 is less believable than S1, but I do think it is better, overall.

[AlpineValley804]

sexual harrassment chick, but ya, thats the only pointless one I can think of

I imagine this will come back into the story somehow.

[marlin1805]

http://www.mtv.com/movies/news/articles/1528309/story.jhtml

[dobyblue]

I'd personally rank them:
1. S1
2. S2
3. S5
4. S4
5. S3

With Season 3 clearly being my least favorite, and 2, 5, and 4 all being pretty close together. There was just a stretch in the middle of S3 where I didn't feel comfortable with what I was watching; like they had lost the path. There were articles written about it as well. However, I will say, the last 6 eps of S3 were probably some of the best 6 hours of television ever.
I'd rank them
1. S3
2. S2
3. S5
4. S1
5. S4
I was not impressed with S4 compared to previous seasons. It's the only one so far that I haven't zoomed through on DVD when it's first been released. In fact I've yet to finish it and am currently on disc 4 despite buying it on release day.
There is definitely something amazing about S1 though. It's a must see in the big picture.
I know S1 is in 4th spot on my list, but there's not much difference between them.
I thought S2 probably had the best overall flow, but S3 jsut floored me. You're definitely right about the last 6 hours, but I'd say the last 7. S3.18 started that ball rolling with Chappelle's last waltz.

[tankdan]

http://www.mtv.com/movies/news/articles/1528309/story.jhtml

MOVIE TALK:

That was a very interesting article. As far as the chronological placement of a '24' movie, I would prefer pre-Season One. I would be especially excited to see the return of Nina, even though I think they dragged out her character for FAR too long (after the first season). I don't think they should portray her as a bad-person at all, but rather show some instances where she showed some loyalty to CTU and the country. Plus, they could even set the movie in the time-period when Jack and Nina were together, before Teri.
The article mentions Edgar, but it seems that setting the movie pre-Season One wouldn't allow for a return of Edgar.
Let's see, who else... Of course, there's Tony. It'd be cool to see Tony and Jack team up once more.
Also, the article mentioned David Palmer, but it sure appeared as if Season One was the first time Palmer and Jack met, so I don't know how big a role Palmer would play in a pre-Season One movie.
Anyone else have any preference to when a movie should be set?

Dan

[Bartender84]

I'd rank them S3>S1>S5>S2>S4 (S3 could move up depending on the final episodes)

I honestly don't see how anyone could say 4 isn't the worst. The second half of that are some of the worst episodes this show has ever done.

[Matt]

I'd rank them S3>S1>S5>S2>S4 (S3 could move up depending on the final episodes)

I honestly don't see how anyone could say 4 isn't the worst. The second half of that are some of the worst episodes this show has ever done.
A couple of them were pretty bad by 24 standards. But I liked the Chinese angle - I wish they would have continued it from last year now that Jack is "alive" again - I have a feeling they still might.

[Matt]

MOVIE TALK:

That was a very interesting article. As far as the chronological placement of a '24' movie, I would prefer pre-Season One. I would be especially excited to see the return of Nina, even though I think they dragged out her character for FAR too long (after the first season). I don't think they should portray her as a bad-person at all, but rather show some instances where she showed some loyalty to CTU and the country. Plus, they could even set the movie in the time-period when Jack and Nina were together, before Teri.
The article mentions Edgar, but it seems that setting the movie pre-Season One wouldn't allow for a return of Edgar.
Let's see, who else... Of course, there's Tony. It'd be cool to see Tony and Jack team up once more.
Also, the article mentioned David Palmer, but it sure appeared as if Season One was the first time Palmer and Jack met, so I don't know how big a role Palmer would play in a pre-Season One movie.
Anyone else have any preference to when a movie should be set?

Dan
Reading that article has gotten me more excited about a movie than I think I ever have been. Wow. :-D!!

[malonestar]

MOVIE TALK:

That was a very interesting article. As far as the chronological placement of a '24' movie, I would prefer pre-Season One. I would be especially excited to see the return of Nina, even though I think they dragged out her character for FAR too long (after the first season). I don't think they should portray her as a bad-person at all, but rather show some instances where she showed some loyalty to CTU and the country. Plus, they could even set the movie in the time-period when Jack and Nina were together, before Teri.
The article mentions Edgar, but it seems that setting the movie pre-Season One wouldn't allow for a return of Edgar.
Let's see, who else... Of course, there's Tony. It'd be cool to see Tony and Jack team up once more.
Also, the article mentioned David Palmer, but it sure appeared as if Season One was the first time Palmer and Jack met, so I don't know how big a role Palmer would play in a pre-Season One movie.
Anyone else have any preference to when a movie should be set?

Dan

I'm really going to humble myself right now. After reading that, I have to admit, 2 times after reading the characters you rambled off I thought, "How could he/she be in the movie, he/she is dead?"

Then I remembered...they're actors. :lol

[bdfresh62]

A 24 movie is going to kick ass.....TERRORIST ASS!

[junior94]

MOVIE TALK:

That was a very interesting article. As far as the chronological placement of a '24' movie, I would prefer pre-Season One.

Well first of all, I said it basically jokingly earlier, but when you really look at this flick "The Sentinel" as a whole, that really does seem to be more or less of a "24" movie right there to satiate you for now, especially how much it appears to mirror the current goings on in the series (him having to investigate his former mentor - though in the show it's much more clear cut that Henderson is evil, in the movie with Michael Douglas, I wouldn't be nearly as sure).

But also as to playing around with different timelines... When I was skimming thru the AICN "talkbacks" for the show the other day, someone made what I thought was an interesting post, and since you've now got at least 3 more years to play with about the Jack character, it might be cool to see one of these next seasons in fact be a "prequel" season. Obviously you'd get to have many old characters back, get to see that development of the Jack/Nina relationship and maybe how she'd be playing him the whole time, etc. I think it's at least worth some consideration, after all, all these different national threats have a danger of just becoming little more than a Maguffin after while, whether it be a nuclear bomb, a bio-weapon, deadly nerve gas, etc.

[marlin1805]

A 24 movie is going to kick ass.....TERRORIST ASS!

My thoughts exactly :thumbsup

[baloneybandit21]

they could also make it a "pre prequel" as in when jack was working in the covert ops team all over the world, and then since it said there could be other movies, then it could go back to when nina was still good, though i hate her sooooo much

[tankdan]

Most importantly, a '24' movie could (finally) leave the Los Angeles setting and go abroad, as baloneybandit21 mentioned with the special ops.
Does anyone else like the idea of moving the setting?

Dan

[junior94]

Geez, how many different reruns of 24 are going on right now on how many different channels? I know as of at least very recently they were running one of them on A&E, I thought one was maybe going on FX, and now tonight flipping thru the channels I see UPN has the nuclear bomb season (which was #2 if I'm not mistaken) currently going. It looks to be the episode featuring the fall out of CTU getting all blown up.

[Bartender84]

There can never be too much 24 :thumbsup

[Dads_obsessed]

from postsecrets.com:

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/994/593/1600/2fer.jpg

[yankees51]

Am I the only one who was a bit disappointed by the end of last week's episode? There's always a plot twist or major event in the last seconds of the hour...sure it's formulaic, but it's better than "HEY GUYS, REAFFIRMATION OF LAST WEEK'S PLOT TWIST LOL!"

[baloneybandit21]

i love when its this hour and finding a random episode on fox or cbs

[bigeyedfish917]

Maybe I'm getting too far ahead of myself, but after watching this last episode with the re-introduction of Secretary Heller and his possible future role in this season I'm starting to think -

James Heller for President in Season 6
Let's bring some integrity back to the oval office.

I have thought this as well. Especially with the whole "I know what your doing, and im here to put a top to it" quote from Tommorowsa show. That would be kick ass!!
:thumbsup

[baloneybandit21]

i like how i knew what was insinde the show spoiler even with the spoiler thing hiding it

[bdb23]

5 minutes.

[Tiduwho]

"The Sentinel" looks SO good.

[bdb23]

WOOHOO!!! Bill.

[bdb23]

Fucker!!!

[Tiduwho]

Well....I did NOT see that coming...


So much for Ted Kennedy saving the day.

[bdb23]

I figured some shit like that would happen. We needed another twist.

[bdb23]

Mike's back.

[bdb23]

He played the Chinese card.

[Tiduwho]

Bout time. Both him and Karen know something is going on. Who knows what Ted is going to do, and the VP looks like he's too worried to make a stand on anything. Hmm...should we call the VP John Kerry from now on? If only he was a bit longer in the face..

[bdb23]

Know your role Logan. :lol

[bdb23]

This is great!!!

[bdb23]

Well, apparently Chloe has theme music now.

[bdb23]

Holy fuck.

[bdb23]

Cocksucker.

[Tiduwho]

I saw that phone call coming from 2 seasons away.

[Footestompgp1]

what happened to pierce?

[Tiduwho]

what happened to pierce?

Good question. Hmmm....

[yankees51]

I think Pierce just wimped out.

[bdfresh62]

That was a wicked throat chop Heller laid on Jack.

[joepsu0985]

Great writing this season.

I love the semi-parellel to the whole go to war for oil, which could be said for the war in Iraq.

Its going to be intense next week.

[Matt]

WOW! Forget about best episode of the season, that was one of the best I've ever seen, bar none. So many good things. Intensity was at a level I haven't seen in a long time - Logan is so sinister right now - it's amazing. The Chinese mention was great - maybe we'll see more of that. The bondesque music again when Chloe arrived at Buchanan's - Callery is shining bright this year. Audrey being cut. The timing with Heller and the VP.

Just. wow.

[wvumascotdmb]

Damn I love this show!!! What a great show tonight! I am sooo pumped for next week!!! haha

What about the last comment Logan made about Martha saying take care of her!

Is he going to off her???


yes and all of my punctuation comes in threes!!! haha

[Matt]

Damn I love this show!!! What a great show tonight! I am sooo pumped for next week!!! haha

What about the last comment Logan made about Martha saying take care of her!

Is he going to off her???


yes and all of my punctuation comes in threes!!! haha
Matt -

Please keep spoiler talk (that includes next week's previews) contained within spoiler tabs.

[wvumascotdmb]

crap sorry... i'm new to this thread and this show! haha i'm just too pumped up for about an hour and a half after the show goes off haha!

[Ccronks]

I'm a big fan of how this season isn't just following up on lead after lead after lead. Very good episode tonight.

[bdfresh62]

Can someone please explain to me where the crap Curtis is?

[baloneybandit21]

holy doody great episode, whats up with the ending where there wasnt a final scene i dont think theyve ever done that right? and heller restraining jack took me completely by surprise

[Trippin4136]

amazing episode, i can't add to what as been said, you all have said it for me....i agree, S5 is turning out to be one of my favorites. instead of attack after attack after attack like in S4, we've got one major attack wrapped up in a crazy conspiracy...genius.

EDIT: just noticed...this was post 4136 for me...heh, sweeeet.

[junior94]

btw I'm calling it right now - Kiefer's character will be the baddie in "The Sentinel" :cool

[tankdan]

I did not like tonight's episode:

Jack handing over the recording to Henderson was VERY uncharacteristic of him, I feel. C'mon, this is the same guy that sacrificed Paul Raines to save a Chinese informant...

Otherwise, the 'Bond music' was a repeat from last week. Sure, I loved it last week, but twice is too much...

I, too, would like to know where Curtis is.

It seems that Jack and Heller's Agent should have shot at Henderson as he got out of the helicopter, instead of letting him walk all the way over to the warehouse.

I suppose I can agree with what's been said about how this season having seamless transitions, as opposed to previous seasons with ups and downs. However, I'm not used to there being no terrorists anymore, it's just good government people against bad government people.

Finally, I know that it's important for the writers to turn "good" guys bad to jack-up the intensity level, but it'd be nice for there to be more friendly faces than Jack, Chloe, Aaron, and Audrey. Noone else is likable!

That's it for me.

Dan

[bdfresh62]

Oh yeah one more thing...did anyone catch all the split screens at the end of the episode. There were like 12 screens there.

[wvumascotdmb]

I like Curtis and Bill too though! :) Audrey and I have a love hate relationship! haha

[Dancing Ants]

btw I'm calling it right now - Kiefer's character will be the baddie in "The Sentinel" :cool

beat you by 3 weeks.

[Franchize41]

beat you by 3 weeks.

ya I think most people figured that out a while ago

[AlpineValley804]

Tonight's episode had an intensity that I don't think we've seen on 24 since Season 2. Fantastic episode tonight. Perhaps the best of the season.

[joepsu0985]

Can someone please explain to me where the crap Curtis is?

Wow...I forgot about him.

Wasnt he on stand by for somethign when HLS took over CTU?

[watchtower86]

Great episode tonight. Best one I've seen yet. I haven't seen that many, but still.

[taphntm]

I definitely think last week was better... but this one was weawwy good... and everything bad happened :evil I was hoping for a more dramatic audrey scene :rolleyes ... that was too quick and easy to watch

[tdowe99]

Great episode.

Ok, so about last week... did Henderson kill Evelyn and the little girl? He shoots the two EMTs, and then finds out where the bank is located. How did he get that info? Ask nicely?

[Franchize41]

Great episode.

Ok, so about last week... did Henderson kill Evelyn and the little girl? He shoots the two EMTs, and then finds out where the bank is located. How did he get that info? Ask nicely?

im assuming he got it out of evelyn and then killed her, but im not sure exactly

[killymagee2000]

Wow...I forgot about him.

Wasnt he on stand by for somethign when HLS took over CTU?

Wasn't he and everyone else, with the exception of Chloe dismissed from CTU?


Anyways, great episode last night. Logan has turned into a great villain. And the music is freakin' awesome.

[Matt]

Oh yeah one more thing...did anyone catch all the split screens at the end of the episode. There were like 12 screens there.

Totally perfect way to end such an intense episode. So many threads to the season at this point - I loved the ending.

[draven33]

Wasn't he and everyone else, with the exception of Chloe dismissed from CTU?


Anyways, great episode last night. Logan has turned into a great villain. And the music is freakin' awesome.

I agree with you on Logan.....The guy plays his character very well.

The music this season BLOWS....its friggin terrible. Sounds like a super cheesy James Bond flick. They need to fire the music guy in my opinion.

[Matt]

I agree with you on Logan.....The guy plays his character very well.

The music this season BLOWS....its friggin terrible. Sounds like a super cheesy James Bond flick. They need to fire the music guy in my opinion.
You're in the severe minority on this one, I'm afraid. Callery has always been a genius but this year it's really been something special. I've never heard music mesh so well with on-screen action.

[JimiThang1]

I agree the music especially the past two episodes has had a sudden James Bond tone too it that is very un-24 like...I don't like it.

[draven33]

You're in the severe minority on this one, I'm afraid. Callery has always been a genius but this year it's really been something special. I've never heard music mesh so well with on-screen action.

You can't be serious....the music has been great in the past seasons. This season it has been extremely cheesy.

[bdb23]

I agree. The Bond-ish music is not Callery. Don't get me wrong, the rest of the music has been dead on. But they used the same garbage twice and it was very un-24like.

[bdfresh62]

I love the music, especially this season. That Bond theme aka Chloe's theme is awesome. At least I think so.

[Bartender84]

Jack handing over the recording to Henderson was VERY uncharacteristic of him, I feel. C'mon, this is the same guy that sacrificed Paul Raines to save a Chinese informant...

He's had so many people die on him today, and in that moment he remembered his wife's death, and gave in to Henderson. He tries to act like a badass but he is very human, and I thought it was very in character.

[Bron Yr Aur]

WOW! Forget about best episode of the season, that was one of the best I've ever seen, bar none. So many good things. Intensity was at a level I haven't seen in a long time - Logan is so sinister right now - it's amazing. The Chinese mention was great - maybe we'll see more of that. The bondesque music again when Chloe arrived at Buchanan's - Callery is shining bright this year. Audrey being cut. The timing with Heller and the VP.

Just. wow.

The intensity was great at the end of the episode, for sure. And this definitely was one of the best of the season. I think the episode two weeks ago was a bit better, as was the one with the fight against Bierko. This one was right up there, though, and I won't mention anything about the plot, but next week's looks to be even more intense from the preview.

However, there is just something about this season that is just lacking...possibly the way it's shot, the directing, possibly the lack of classic characters lately, or the lack of split screen/boxes during the show (not just at the beginning, end, after commercials, and phone calls)...the stuff they used to do with the split screens during Season 1 and 2 really set off the show and made it extremely fun to watch. They really need to start doing that more often again.

So, in summary, I wouldn't say this was one of the best ever, but there were a lot of great elements, some excellent acting, PERFECT music, and next week's episode should be even better.

[Jake]

I agree with you on Logan.....The guy plays his character very well.
...


he's hands down the best actor on TV. He plays a weasel perfectly, a cunning plotter perfectly, and a dick perfectly. And it's the same character.


if this were a movie, he'd win an oscar.

[Bron Yr Aur]

he's hands down the best actor on TV. He plays a weasel perfectly, a cunning plotter perfectly, and a dick perfectly. And it's the same character.


if this were a movie, he'd win an oscar.

Don't know if I agree with this. Itzin has been doing a very good job lately, but not so good as to be oscar-worthy. Honestly, the acting has really dropped off a bit this season, with all of the classic characters being killed off. Seasons 2 and 3 were the best acted seasons for me. Season 2 in particular was amazing; the chemistry between Haysbert and Kiefer, Kiefer and Sarah Clarke, Sarah Wynter and Kiefer, Carlos Bernard and Reiko, Xander and Kiefer, and Elisha Cuthbert always gets overlooked, but she does a fantastic job with her serious scenes in Season 2. It just seems that there isn't that very deep level of character development and heartfelt interaction between the main characters anymore. It's all plot-driven these days, and there are fewer of the touching scenes that made the show in S1 and S2 more relatable and realistic.

[asmjm39]

I have some speculation. Where is Keeler? THey havent said that he was dead, did they? Along those same lines, they havent siad that Logan was reelected, have they? If the answer to those questions were no, could Keeler come back(assuming competency) and retake the office? Thats been bugging me all night long for some reason.

[tankdan]

I have some speculation. Where is Keeler? THey havent said that he was dead, did they? Along those same lines, they havent siad that Logan was reelected, have they?...

VERY good point, to which I have no definite answer. As I recall, the last we heard of Keeler was that he was in a coma. However, if he ever came out of the coma, all he would have to do is sign a letter saying that he was competent and ready to take back the office. In addition, according to the 22nd amendment, noone can be elected more than twice, so if he IS still alive, he could absolutely run in the next election. I think they mentioned a few episodes ago about "the elections next year." Can anyone back me up? However, despite all this, I think we are meant to have the impression that Keeler faded into history, whether through death or his own decision to go to private life.

On another note, can anyone confirm that this was the first time that they ended an episode in a split-screen collage? I believe that this is the case, but I'm not 100% sure. Anyone?

Dan

[giantsfan]

do you think Pierce is dead since the First Lady found his phone outside?

[GSUdawg521]

No one watching/talking about Keifer on Jay Leno right now? It's great, pretty funny stuff. He yelled "DROP THE GUN!!!!!!!"

[junior94]

he's hands down the best actor on TV. He plays a weasel perfectly, a cunning plotter perfectly, and a dick perfectly. And it's the same character.


if this were a movie, he'd win an oscar.

Wow, Jake, for someone who's got such a wide berth of knowledge as evidenced by your Trivia threads, you highly dissapoint me with this statement (not that you already don't just by being Republican :p ). How you can say Itzin is the best actor on TV is emphatically beyond me.

Some of you guys are way too easily pleased/impressed, and apparently have your heads shoved so far up the asses of the whole 24 creative team that I wonder how you breathe :p

[tankdan]

I think Itzin looks like a turkey... he's got that little gullet that jiggles when he talks.

Oh, and I don't think he's a very good actor, but maybe that's just because I hate his character.

Though, from looking at his resume, he's been in ALOT of tv shows
(90210, Matlock, L.A. Law, JAG, Deep Space Nine, Party of Five, Voyager, CSI, NYPD Blue, ER, The West Wing, NCIS, The Practice, Friends, The OC, Enterprise, and Boston Legal).

Dan

[AlpineValley804]

do you think Pierce is dead since the First Lady found his phone outside?

God, I hope not!

[junior94]

Well I called a couple weeks ago as Audrey still being a big name that would yet die, do we think she's a goner... ? :rolleyes

as related to the next week's previews...

Well, obviously we saw Audrey at some point will be holding Henderson at gun point, so she's up and at 'em. But given how he cut her, I dunno... even though Jack wrapped that cord around and put pressure directly on the wound, I have to think that even with that, she still needs major medical attention soon to be able to survive. Then again, this is 24 after all, they don't necessarily have to use actual logic... :rolleyes :p

[Bron Yr Aur]

Wow, Jake, for someone who's got such a wide berth of knowledge as evidenced by your Trivia threads, you highly dissapoint me with this statement (not that you already don't just by being Republican :p ). How you can say Itzin is the best actor on TV is emphatically beyond me.

Some of you guys are way too easily pleased/impressed, and apparently have your heads shoved so far up the asses of the whole 24 creative team that I wonder how you breathe :p

People seem to be much too pleased by the last 2 seasons of 24 just because of the first 3...I mean, this season has gotten much better and is turning out pretty good, but it's just not like the old days. The show has become more like other shows, and there is less character development these days, though still some level of that. And though I think Itzin has been doing a very good job and is one of the best actors on thes how these days, the acting has gone seriously downhill with the killing off of all of the characters whose actors had become more and more comfortable with their parts, and were best able to act them. Audrey just doesn't do anything for me acting-wise, and the Homeland Security people are just lame.

[junior94]

and the Homeland Security people are just lame.

Well the male of those two is essentially nothing more than an archetype, he's such an over the top and clear villain, though I don't know if that was by design or just result of lazy writing. The woman, the head of it, I guess I at least appreciate that they're bleeding some reality and logic into her part, with her questioning the reasoning and purpose of Logan's newest orders, and she's a decent actress.

[Bron Yr Aur]

Well the male of those two is essentially nothing more than an archetype, he's such an over the top and clear villain, though I don't know if that was by design or just result of lazy writing. The woman, the head of it, I guess I at least appreciate that they're bleeding some reality and logic into her part, with her questioning the reasoning and purpose of Logan's newest orders, and she's a decent actress.

Yeah, basically, I agree on all parts. Remember back in the day when characters weren't just good or bad, but had multiple sides to them. Do any of the writers remember George Mason? Ryan Chappelle? Guess not.

[baloneybandit21]

Well the male of those two is essentially nothing more than an archetype, he's such an over the top and clear villain, though I don't know if that was by design or just result of lazy writing. The woman, the head of it, I guess I at least appreciate that they're bleeding some reality and logic into her part, with her questioning the reasoning and purpose of Logan's newest orders, and she's a decent actress.

she also agreed to let jack bust that girl that Teo was undercover with when she disagreed with how he did it, unlike when logan forced jack to come out of his hidden position last season when he was in the nightclub in position to take down marwan

[tankdan]

Has anyone else seen "The Sentinel"?

I find few similarities to "24."

Dan

[tdowe99]

I want to see it this week.

[WolfmanDMB]

Sentinel was pretty good. needed more kiefer though.

[bdfresh62]

I'm going to see it Sunday with my family. I've gotten them all hooked on 24. We are basically going to see it because Kiefer is in it.

[tankdan]

There definitely isn't enough face-time of Kiefer, but he does draw his weapon and shout a few times! However, I think that all the discussion about how this looks like a '24' movie is VERY wrong. The only similarity is that his title is "Agent" in both, he has a weapon, and he talks like a mean mo-fo. Otherwise, the 'Henderson-Jack' idea of mentor-trainee is pure coincidence and nothing like in '24.'

I also saw "The Wild," and it was definitely weird to hear Kiefer say a bunch of sentimental/childish things.

Dan

[junior94]

I also saw "The Wild," and it was definitely weird to hear Kiefer say a bunch of sentimental/childish things.

That reminds me, just as far as seeing something that felt sorta out of the ordinary with him.... after seeing such a long string of eps of 24 now, well last night I was leafing thru his issue of RS while I was at the store, and saw the one photo of him taking just last year I think it said it was when he was up in Toronto just on time off, and there he was like in a kitchen, hair a bit unkempt, shirt off (& what looked like one BIG ASS belt buckle) and ciggy in hand as he was likely lit out of his gourd :p :lol Just a far cry from Jack Bauer :lol

But when his cover story in that was brought up around here, was it mentioned that they had a bunch of 24-related trivia to look at on their website? Because I noticed that little footnote in the article, though I haven't checked any of it on the site. I also got to thinking as I was looking at it, wondering how generally people would feel if they ever got his father Donald to possibly play a role on the show in the future. He's also always been one of my favorite actors (& always particularly plays well as a part of a large ensemble, i.e. "JFK", "A Time To Kill", etc)

[Bron Yr Aur]

I also got to thinking as I was looking at it, wondering how generally people would feel if they ever got his father Donald to possibly play a role on the show in the future. He's also always been one of my favorite actors (& always particularly plays well as a part of a large ensemble, i.e. "JFK", "A Time To Kill", etc)

It really is unusual how this is really very seldom mentioned. I think it would be quite interesting. And yeah, I agree, Donald Sutherland is a very good actor...his part in JFK was quite excellent. Makes me want to see it again, actually.

[junior94]

his part in JFK was quite excellent. Makes me want to see it again, actually.

:thumbsup JFK's one of my favorite films (even though I realize yes, it's not necessarily an at all accurate view of the events). I've had the DVD almost back since when I first purchased my player in '96. Several times I've popped it in to just watch the Costner/Sutherland sequence.

[Bron Yr Aur]

:thumbsup JFK's one of my favorite films (even though I realize yes, it's not necessarily an at all accurate view of the events). I've had the DVD almost back since when I first purchased my player in '96. Several times I've popped it in to just watch the Costner/Sutherland sequence.

Yeah, definitely agree. Thinking about getting the new(ish) special edition. You have to realize that it's definitely not necessarily accurate, but what makes it such a good film is that it makes you believe the filmmaker, even if you already have previous knowledge of the events. Just gives you something to think about, and the acting and cinematography is great.

[tdowe99]

Go back and watch "Stand By Me"... Keifer is the 'bad guy' and he does a good job.

[WolfmanDMB]

Go back and watch "Stand By Me"... Keifer is the 'bad guy' and he does a good job.

and the voice in "Phone Booth".

[tdowe99]

Oh yeah, I forgot about that movie.
He has that little cameo at the end with the bass / cello case.

[bdfresh62]

Phone Booth was horrible.

[junior94]

Oh yeah, I forgot about that movie.
He has that little cameo at the end with the bass / cello case.

The irony with that is that all of Kiefer's stuff was shot WAY after principle photography was done, in fact I believe he and Colin Farrell never even met (if you notice the shots at the end of Kiefer outside the ambulance, none of those have Farrel in them). Another actor by the name of Ron Eldard originally played the part of the sniper while they were shooting, but there was such a long gap in between the film being in the can and its release date, and by that time Kiefer had regained much popularity thanks to some new "spy"-type show (:p), and he's long had a good relationship with director Joel Schumacher, so to the detriment of Eldard, Schumacher had Kiefer come in and take over the entire part (obviously 95% of it was done in the ADR studio) and then they had a brief reshoot period where they filmed Kiefer approaching the ambulance at the very end.

Yea PHONE BOOTH was a rather curious Hollywood project for a very long time. In different incarnations in the past it had directors like Michael Mann and Michael Bay attached, with the star being the likes of between Jim Carrey, Will Smith, Brad Pitt and a few more. (just file that away in your useless movie info folder ;) :p )

[tankdan]

I support a Donald Sutherland appearance in '24.'

Contrasting with Kiefer's apparent drunken lifestyle, does anyone else believe, as I do, that Jack Bauer has never had a drink during '24'?

Dan

[greg87lax]

i saw the sentinel on saturday....
it was alright, kinda boring at times
worth a rental, but not whatever you pay at the theater

[dmb1spe]

I support a Donald Sutherland appearance in '24.'

Contrasting with Kiefer's apparent drunken lifestyle, does anyone else believe, as I do, that Jack Bauer has never had a drink during '24'?

Dan

If you're talking about the character, he was a full fledged addict after his wife died.

[asmjm39]

If you're talking about the character, he was a full fledged addict after his wife died.

not technically. that was in S3, Teri dies at the end of S1. that was also to get in with the Salazars, not just the dead wife thing.

[marlin1805]

The Sentinel :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup

[dmb1spe]

not technically. that was in S3, Teri dies at the end of S1. that was also to get in with the Salazars, not just the dead wife thing.

Wasn't he demoted because of his drug abuse after Teri? Or am I mixing up my seasons?

[bdfresh62]

For those of you that care, there is 2 articles in the USA Today about the actress who plays Chloe. I think some of the writers there may be big fans of the show, because usually every Monday there is an article about 24 in the paper.

[tankdan]

If you're talking about the character, he was a full fledged addict after his wife died.

Yes, referring to Jack, the character... I'm not sure I've ever seen him have a drink on screen? I don't think it was ever mentioned that he was an alcoholic at the beginning of S2 (when they brought him back). Then, as others have mentioned, it's possible that he drank when he was in with the Salazars, but I figured all he did there was heroin.

The reason I ask is a scene earlier this season, with Teo. Jack made a drink for him, but not himself. It just seems that, whenever someone has a drink (even when he went to Tony's house in S4 for help), Jack doesn't partake.

Also, good article about Chloe. I recommend it.

Dan

[bdb23]

Please forgive me.

:lol

[bdb23]

I hope you don't mind me bossing you around, but technically I don't work for you anymore.

:lol Chloe is priceless.

[bdb23]

Best first 15 minutes ever of the whole series.

:eek

[Bartndrpleez]

Uhhhh what the hell?........This shit is unreal.

So much for Preisdent Heller...:lorraine:(

[bdb23]

Whoops. I forgot the first 15 minutes of S5E1.

[bdb23]

This episode is hoppin'.

[bdb23]

Very good episode.

[Mikearney 25]

:eek I dont post here often, though I am a very faithful 24-watcher... but I'm speechless. This season has been so incredible. Ive never seen anything like it.

[AlpineValley804]

Sorry everyone. I'd usually be here right away, but...it's been a straaaaaange night.

Oh man, that has to be the worst delivery of a line in the history of the show.

[AlpineValley804]

:eek I dont post here often, though I am a very faithful 24-watcher... but I'm speechless. This season has been so incredible. Ive never seen anything like it.

:thumbsup I'm very certain now that this has definitely been the best season since season 2.

[bdfresh62]

R.I.P James Heller

What the crap is up with this season? They've killed three of my favorite characters this season (Palmer, Tony, Heller). I'm not complaining though, this has been the best season in my opinion.

[AlpineValley804]

I don't think Heller is dead. Sure there is an air pocket and the man is smart enough to figure out a way to swim out of there.

[bdfresh62]

I don't think Heller is dead. Sure there is an air pocket and the man is smart enough to figure out a way to swim out of there.

As much as I would love for that to happen, I just don't think so.

[bdfresh62]

Oh yeah I almost forgot, is Aaron dead? I hope not. Also nice to see Curtis back. That guy is cool; just as cool as Jack walking up the bagge loader to get onto the plane.

[loogs91]

jack running henderson off the road was just basass.

[AlpineValley804]

jack running henderson off the road was just basass.

:thumbsup:thumbsup Jack at his most badass, for sure.

[WolfmanDMB]

heller was a high ranking officer in some branch of military before be became DoD Sec. so he has had some training in survival. he will make it through.

[baloneybandit21]

just finished watching it on tape, intense episode, i def think that heller is alive, it was really another great episode

[Dancing Ants]

pretty good. car scene was probably the lowest 24 has ever sunk. no one does that anymore.

[DMbFaN4LiFe37]

I love you 24. Monday night is my favorite night of the week because of you. Now Jack is on a freakin plane for next week. What an awesome way to try to get that recording. I hope the plane takes off while Jack is securing the recording. I also hope the pilot dies and Jack flies the plane by himself because he is m-fing JACK BAUER.

[BustedJeff]

It almost seems like they have been making up the last few episodes as they go along. This season started out pretty good, but it's been going downhill the past few episodes. "Look over there! It's two pieces of floating luggage going into the plane! That's perfectly normal!". Seriously, he puts his hood up and no one sees him?? I think the writers just wrote themselves into a corner and are having a hard time getting out.

"Guys, I've got it! For the final episode, we'll have Tony take a bullet for Jack!"
"Uhh...sir, we killed off Tony already."
"We did? Well, than we'll have President Palmer do it!"
"Sir...he's dead too."
"Shit. Well, then...err...JACK WILL BE THE MASTERMIND BEHIND EVERYTHING!"
"..."

[DMBfan41]

shit is getting kinda crazy.....so who are the guys Logan is working with?

[bdfresh62]

shit is getting kinda crazy.....so who are the guys Logan is working with?

Probably people involved in the energy business.

[AlpineValley804]

heller was a high ranking officer in some branch of military before be became DoD Sec. so he has had some training in survival. he will make it through.

Good call on that one.

[DaveismyWeapon]

shit is getting kinda crazy.....so who are the guys Logan is working with?
It's the CEO's from all the major oil companies. They're controlling the president. Wait. . . the writer's of 24 are too smart to copy real life. In that case it's just Dr. Romano and his crazy ER staff.

[rick8285]

It's the CEO's from all the major oil companies. They're controlling the president. Wait. . . the writer's of 24 are too smart to copy real life. In that case it's just Dr. Romano and his crazy ER staff.
Fuck Romano...I loved the day he got fucked by the Copter...

[draven33]

It almost seems like they have been making up the last few episodes as they go along. This season started out pretty good, but it's been going downhill the past few episodes. "Look over there! It's two pieces of floating luggage going into the plane! That's perfectly normal!". Seriously, he puts his hood up and no one sees him?? I think the writers just wrote themselves into a corner and are having a hard time getting out.

I definately agree with the luggage scene and how he got onto the plane....that was way too easy for a plane that had that much security....probably the lamest scene of the season imo.

[road_designer]

shit is getting kinda crazy.....so who are the guys Logan is working with?
Masons. they run shit