Preseason NCAA Basketball Poll is released

[UNC41]

That 20 minutes of basketball is precisely why I wouldn't want to run into Georgia Tech during the second round of the tourny.

[road_designer]

C'mon TECH!!!! I don't like bubbles.

[haildmb]

That 20 minutes of basketball is precisely why I wouldn't want to run into Georgia Tech during the second round of the tourny.


:thumbsup

indeed

[ousooner]

UK will kill TN tonight

Kentucky - 58
Tennessee - 55
4:30 to go

Is this what you meant? :D

[bdb23]

That 20 minutes of basketball is precisely why I wouldn't want to run into Georgia Tech during the second round of the tourny.
I'll take the last 20 minutes in the second round, though. :lol

[onemoredrink41]

Cats win another game whooooooooooooooooooo

ashley judd sure loves her wildcats, i missed the lottery to get tix, damn it. last home

game against tenn.

[unccrombie]

That 20 minutes of basketball is precisely why I wouldn't want to run into Georgia Tech during the second round of the tourny.
and that 2nd half is why i would

[Davenumber40]

It was a great game. Chuck Hayes was out sobbing on the court when they played My 'Ol Kentucky Home after the game. That's what college basketball is all about.

[Davenumber40]

If I remember correctly, the IU-Kentucky game was unbelievable.

It was but that's because they were both awful teams.

[onemoredrink41]

i am so sick of people saying uk sucks, they are fucking young and kicking ass this year.... and they will be good next year, azubuike is the shit.

they may win it all this year, you never know. But, we are a good team and we are in the top #5 suck it up.

[UNLTrpt]

Big 12 fans, watch out...Nebraska is on a bit of a roll. win over OSU, ISU and CU. NCAA is out of the question but we are surging into the Big XII tourney.

[Davenumber40]

If everyone started clicking together and they put out as much effort as they could for 40 minutes every game we'll make a tournement run this year.

[unccrombie]

i am so sick of people saying uk sucks, they are fucking young and kicking ass this year.... and they will be good next year, azubuike is the shit.

they may win it all this year, you never know. But, we are a good team and we are in the top #5 suck it up.
they do find a way to win, gotta give them that

[UNC41]

I'll take the last 20 minutes in the second round, though. :lol

The thing is though you never know what you are going to get in a given 20 minutes against them.

[Third Floor]

what did wake do that not other team in the ACC did this year? thats the trivia of the night.

also the wake v gatech game may be the worst officiated game ive seen all year.

[UNC41]

what did wake do that not other team in the ACC did this year? thats the trivia of the night.

also the wake v gatech game may be the worst officiated game ive seen all year.

Beat Longwood. It's not what you are looking for, but nonetheless true. ;)

[Third Floor]

lose to santa cla.....

[UNC41]

lose to santa cla.....

I see we are getting creative and original in our Carolina bashing these days...

[Third Floor]

at least when we schedule crap out of conference games, we win.

[Dave G]

Congratulations to Jim Calhoun who last night became a member of the 700 win club.
He's playing rival and good friend Jim Boeheim Saturday who by winning last Sat also has 700 wins. After last night’s game they played a video message from Jim Boeheim, who said Calhoun has produced one of the greatest building jobs in the history of college basketball and closed with “We’ll see you Saturday”
To which Calhoun replied “I wouldn’t have it any other way”

Oh yeah, they are both 20 and 20 against each other and UConn is playing for at least of a piece of the Big East regular season championship

This should be good :)

[unccrombie]

lose to santa cla.....
acc title...what...?

[ousooner]

i am so sick of people saying uk sucks, they are fucking young and kicking ass this year.... and they will be good next year, azubuike is the shit.

they may win it all this year, you never know. But, we are a good team and we are in the top #5 suck it up.

Azubuike is good, but I wouldn't call him the shit. I remember through his junior and senior year in Tulsa all this talk about how he would be a first round NBA pick out of highschool and now he's playing four years of college ball.

[unccrombie]

Azubuike is good, but I wouldn't call him the shit. I remember through his junior and senior year in Tulsa all this talk about how he would be a first round NBA pick out of highschool and now he's playing four years of college ball.
i'd rather go to college then be lebron

[seekupig]

what did wake do that not other team in the ACC did this year? thats the trivia of the night.

also the wake v gatech game may be the worst officiated game ive seen all year.

they shot more free throws in the first half then Tech did all game.

that was a terribly officiated game. there's no reason one team should attempt 46 free throws while the visitors attempt only 17. seven point win with 29 more free throw attempts? good game guys, good game..........:rolleyes

[RJ2kWJ]

i'd rather go to college then be lebron

And your reasoning behind this isssss?

1) Maybe to get injured and kill your chances of going to the league?

2) Or how about turning down... whats he up to with shoes/the team/other promotions? $205 million?

3) Or how about being one of the best 3 players in the NBA at... what is he 19, 20 years old?

[onemoredrink41]

they do find a way to win, gotta give them that


Yep, they do. Tubby is a great coach. Uk doesn't have your ave. star player, they play like a team, that is why I love my cats, not only because I go to UK, because the program is great.

[onemoredrink41]

Azubuike is good, but I wouldn't call him the shit. I remember through his junior and senior year in Tulsa all this talk about how he would be a first round NBA pick out of highschool and now he's playing four years of college ball.

He is smart to play college basketball, both his parents are doctors and I am sure they wanted him to go to college and get a degree. You never know if you are going to get hurt in the NBA. He is a good guy and has a good family.
He is a really good player and staying with the cats and a great coach such as tubby will help him develop even more into a better player.

[seekupig]

Kentucky is playing good right now. it's ugly to watch, but they get the job done and that's what matters. They are still going to need some help to lock down that one seed, but i'd say they're a two at worst right now.

[ousooner]

And your reasoning behind this isssss?

1) Maybe to get injured and kill your chances of going to the league?

2) Or how about turning down... whats he up to with shoes/the team/other promotions? $205 million?

3) Or how about being one of the best 3 players in the NBA at... what is he 19, 20 years old?

I really doubt Lebron is regretting his decision right now

[seekupig]

college basketball joke of the day, in the spirit of Duke @ UNC this weekend......

Duke-Carolina Collision

There's a guy from UNC driving from Chapel Hill to Durham, and a guy
from Duke driving from Durham to Chapel Hill. In the middle of the night,
with no other cars around, they hit each other head on. The Dukie
manages to climb out of his car and survey the damage. He looks at his
twisted car and says, "Man, I am really lucky to be alive!" Likewise, the
Tar Heel scrambles out of his car and looks at his wreckage. He too says,
"I can't believe I survived this wreck!" The UNC guy walks over to the
Duke guy and says, "Hey man, I think this is a sign that we should put
aside our petty differences and live as friends instead of arch rivals." The
Duke guy thinks for a moment and says, "You know, you're absolutely
right! We should be friends. We should celebrate." So the Duke guy pops
open his trunk and finds a full, unopened bottle of Jack Daniels. He says to
the Tar Heel guy, "Let us toast to our newfound understanding and
friendship." The Tar Heel says, "You're right!" And he grabs the bottle and
starts sucking down Jack Daniels. After putting away nearly half the bottle,
the Tar Heel hands it back to the Dukie and says, "Your turn! The Duke
guy twists the cap back on the bottle and says,
"Nahh, I think I'll wait for the cops to show up."

[onemoredrink41]

Kentucky is playing good right now. it's ugly to watch, but they get the job done and that's what matters. They are still going to need some help to lock down that one seed, but i'd say they're a two at worst right now.

yeah I guess we are in the top # 5 for nothing :lol :lol :lol

[trippingbilly12]

college basketball joke of the day, in the spirit of Duke @ UNC this weekend......

Duke-Carolina Collision

There's a guy from UNC driving from Chapel Hill to Durham, and a guy
from Duke driving from Durham to Chapel Hill. In the middle of the night,
with no other cars around, they hit each other head on. The Dukie
manages to climb out of his car and survey the damage. He looks at his
twisted car and says, "Man, I am really lucky to be alive!" Likewise, the
Tar Heel scrambles out of his car and looks at his wreckage. He too says,
"I can't believe I survived this wreck!" The UNC guy walks over to the
Duke guy and says, "Hey man, I think this is a sign that we should put
aside our petty differences and live as friends instead of arch rivals." The
Duke guy thinks for a moment and says, "You know, you're absolutely
right! We should be friends. We should celebrate." So the Duke guy pops
open his trunk and finds a full, unopened bottle of Jack Daniels. He says to
the Tar Heel guy, "Let us toast to our newfound understanding and
friendship." The Tar Heel says, "You're right!" And he grabs the bottle and
starts sucking down Jack Daniels. After putting away nearly half the bottle,
the Tar Heel hands it back to the Dukie and says, "Your turn! The Duke
guy twists the cap back on the bottle and says,
"Nahh, I think I'll wait for the cops to show up."


:lol good stuff

[seekupig]

yeah I guess we are in the top # 5 for nothing :lol :lol :lol

you're in the top five because the teams below you play ranked teams every week as opposed to the once a month you have so far. Kansas will be a #1 seed if they win the BigXII tournament. Kentucky needs a KU loss to keep the #1 seed. luckily for you, KU probably will lose another game........

[unccrombie]

And your reasoning behind this isssss?

1) Maybe to get injured and kill your chances of going to the league?

2) Or how about turning down... whats he up to with shoes/the team/other promotions? $205 million?

3) Or how about being one of the best 3 players in the NBA at... what is he 19, 20 years old?
i just value education, givin his spot i would have turned it down. probably just me though

[seekupig]

i just value education, givin his spot i would have turned it down. probably just me though

would you have turned it down if you had his circumstances? being poor, from the ghetto, with nothing to your name your whole life and being given the opportunity to change that forever with one move isn't easy to pass up. you can always go to school later if you need to, but you can't go to the NBA if you blow out your knee.

[unccrombie]

would you have turned it down if you had his circumstances? being poor, from the ghetto, with nothing to your name your whole life and being given the opportunity to change that forever with one move isn't easy to pass up. you can always go to school later if you need to, but you can't go to the NBA if you blow out your knee.
i'd take my chances playing college ball, just me personally. let's be honest, kenyon martin blew out his knee (i think it was his knee) and look at him now. lebron would get to the nba regardless, just depends on what you need most. he would of had full scholarships, etc. like i said just depends on your priorities

[unccrombie]

rep points for all unc fans today, a win today puts us 1 closer to the acc title

[jermtheworm]

Playing baseball in college is one of the best experiences I've ever had, but had I had an oppurtunity to go pro out of high school ( first round only, anything lower my opinion is you should go to college) I would have taken the money and run.

[clayj41]

rep points for all unc fans today, a win today puts us 1 closer to the acc title

Hey, I'm here! :lol

[unccrombie]

Hey, I'm here! :lol
says i need to "spread more around' before giving to you and unc41. i gave 2 away, but it still wont let me. i think the system hates me

[jermtheworm]

rep points for all unc fans today, a win today puts us 1 closer to the acc title

now you guys are just whoring out your points.:lol

[clayj41]

says i need to "spread more around' before giving to you and unc41. i gave 2 away, but it still wont let me. i think the system hates me

Yeah, I tried to give you one too and it said I needs to spread them around. I hope they don't expect you to give 1 point to everyone on Ants before you can give a person 2 points. That would literally take an eternity. :lol

[unccrombie]

now you guys are just whoring out your points.:lol
we keep the in the circle of heels, with the occasional outsider getting a couple :lol

[rcarlsn612]

go heels tonight!

[clayj41]

we keep the in the circle of heels, with the occasional outsider getting a couple :lol

Yeah, and if you're a Duke fan we take points away. :lol

[seekupig]

anyone have any upset predictions for this weekends games?

I'm taking NC State over Wake Forest.

[unccrombie]

:lol only if they hurt our players

[jermtheworm]

Yeah, I tried to give you one too and it said I needs to spread them around. I hope they don't expect you to give 1 point to everyone on Ants before you can give a person 2 points. That would literally take an eternity. :lol


i think you have to give points to 25 different people before you can give to the person multiple times. could be wrong

[unccrombie]

anyone have any upset predictions for this weekends games?

I'm taking NC State over Wake Forest.
su over uconn

[seekupig]

su over uconn

good pick. how 'bout unranked team upsetting a ranked team? i love this weekend every year, you have the unranked teams fighting just to get in while the ranked teams are jockying for seeds.

[clayj41]

i think you have to give points to 25 different people before you can give to the person multiple times. could be wrong

Oh, I see.

[jermtheworm]

does mizzou get lucky and beat ku?

[rcarlsn612]

Oh, I see.
well hell you could hook me up then right? ;)

[seekupig]

does mizzou get lucky and beat ku?

that wouldn't suprise me one bit. they usually do.

[clayj41]

well hell you could hook me up then right? ;)

I just did. :D

[jermtheworm]

Oh, I see.


hey are you going to riverbend?

[jermtheworm]

that wouldn't suprise me one bit. they usually do.

it's like us in football with ok state, they can suck all year and find a way to get lucky that one game, by god you'd think they won the natl champ, mizzou has nothing to loose and everything to gain

[seekupig]

mizzou has nothing to loose and everything to gain

this is their National Championship. KU is playing for a #1 seed, Mizzou is playing for the right to say they beat KU. everyone has to play for something, and they don't have much else.

[jermtheworm]

by the way i'll pick home team...miss st vs 21bama, memphis vs 22cincy, tech vs 20okla

[jermtheworm]

this is their National Championship. KU is playing for a #1 seed, Mizzou is playing for the right to say they beat KU. everyone has to play for something, and they don't have much else.





:thumbsup

[mizzoudmbfan]

this is their National Championship.

full of yourself much?

[seekupig]

full of yourself much?

is it not true? what are they playing for?

[mizzoudmbfan]

is it not true? what are they playing for?

Well obviously at this point the Tigers are'nt playing for a tourny bid, I just think that saying stuff like that is very short sighted. Just like whenever people say that playing us/KSjUco in the fall is your superbowl.

[seekupig]

Well obviously at this point the Tigers are'nt playing for a tourny bid, I just think that saying stuff like that is very short sighted. Just like whenever people say that playing us/KSjUco in the fall is your superbowl.

it's a rivalry game. when one team sucks and the other is a national power every year, it turns into the shitty teams National Championship. period.

the KU/Mizzou football game isn't a good comparison being that Mizzou isn't even a conference champ, nevermind a national power. the last time they won anything was when they were Big 8 co-champs in 1969. hardly a feather in the cap beating a team of that magnitude......:)

[mizzoudmbfan]

it's a rivalry game. when one team sucks and the other is a national power every year, it turns into the shitty teams National Championship. period.

the KU/Mizzou football game isn't a good comparison being that Mizzou isn't even a conference champ, nevermind a national power. the last time they won anything was when they were Big 8 co-champs in 1969. hardly a feather in the cap beating a team of that magnitude......:)

Whatever you say. If we beat you, yes that will be quite a feat. But it by no means will be anything comperable to a NC. If we hang a hundred on you and beat you by double figures this season is still a loss, it will not even be acceptable this year to say "well it's ok at least we beat kU". As for the football comments, you would never guess that living anywhere within 300 miles Lawrence. Last time we lost in larry the goalposts came down etc etc etc(same thing happens in COMO, I know). And beating anyone is a feather in the cap of MU or KU football teams but hey we got Pinkle and you got the fatman so everythings rosey in Columbia and Lawrence this fall...right:rolleyes

just my .02

[ousooner]

Whatever you say. If we beat you, yes that will be quite a feat. But it by no means will be anything comperable to a NC. If we hang a hundred on you and beat you by double figures this season is still a loss, it will not even be acceptable this year to say "well it's ok at least we beat kU". As for the football comments, you would never guess that living anywhere within 300 miles Lawrence. Last time we lost in larry the goalposts came down etc etc etc(same thing happens in COMO, I know). And beating anyone is a feather in the cap of MU or KU football teams but hey we got Pinkle and you got the fatman so everythings rosey in Columbia and Lawrence this fall...right:rolleyes

just my .02

I'd take the fatman. He helped us win a national championship. Pinkle sucks!

[ousooner]

it's like us in football with ok state, they can suck all year and find a way to get lucky that one game, by god you'd think they won the natl champ, mizzou has nothing to loose and everything to gain

That's what it seems like. If OState goes 1-10, it's all good as long as the 1 was OU. A coach could keep his job in Stoolwater for years if all he did was beat OU.

[mizzoudmbfan]

I'd take the fatman. He helped us win a national championship. Pinkle sucks!

I'd say Pinkle is the lesser of two evils but obviously I'm biased.;)

[UNC41]

we keep the in the circle of heels, with the occasional outsider getting a couple :lol

Heck yes.

[ousooner]

I'd say Pinkle is the lesser of two evils but obviously I'm biased.;)

How can you be behind Pinkle after the past two seasons with all the high expectations Missouri had? You're athletic department needs a whole new set of coaches and probably a new AD while your at it.

[UNC41]

As for upsets...

Florida over Kentucky and Stanford over Washington look like possibilities to me.

[clayj41]

hey are you going to riverbend?

I highly doubt it, but we'll see. I'm already going to Alpine that weekend, and I don't think I could take off that Thursday too. If I could, I would go to Starwood, Riverbend, and Alpine. I would take a week off, but I'll already be doing so for Bonnaroo/Deer Creek. Luckily, I'll be done with work before the Gorge.

[mizzoudmbfan]

How can you be behind Pinkle after the past two seasons with all the high expectations Missouri had? You're athletic department needs a whole new set of coaches and probably a new AD while your at it.

03 was the best season that we have had since atleast the '98 season. Last season we nose dived, but we can't really afford to fire a coach after one bad season, Mizzou dosnt exactly have the national appeal the OU has, hell look at whats goin on in Lincoln, they fire Solich after what a 9-3 season and look at where they are now. With the exception of last season we have been on the rist every season he has been here.

edit: as for Snyder...his ship has sailed.

[ousooner]

03 was the best season that we have had since atleast the '98 season. Last season we nose dived, but we can't really afford to fire a coach after one bad season, Mizzou dosnt exactly have the national appeal the OU has, hell look at whats goin on in Lincoln, they fire Solich after what a 9-3 season and look at where they are now. With the exception of last season we have been on the rist every season he has been here.

edit: as for Snyder...his ship has sailed.

Ya, I guess 03 was a pretty good season, but 04 was horrible. Especially with all the disention.

Snyder is a weasle. Quinn Snyder = Rick Neuhisel

[mizzoudmbfan]

Ya, I guess 03 was a pretty good season, but 04 was horrible. Especially with all the disention.

Snyder is a weasle. Quinn Snyder = Rick Neuhisel

With all the shit that goes on around here on and off the court(mainly stuff that dosnt make the media) Snyder makes slick Rick look like a saint.

[seekupig]

With all the shit that goes on around here on and off the court(mainly stuff that dosnt make the media) Snyder makes slick Rick look like a saint.

Ricky Clemmons is my hero.;)

[mizzoudmbfan]

Ricky Clemmons is my hero.;)

Not to sound like a homer but if it weren't for Clemmons, Snyder, and Bill Laurie we would have a final four and a BigXII title by now.

[ousooner]

I do wish Missouri would improve in hoops though. Maybe Kansas would stop getting a free ride in the North. It's a huge advantage for them over the teams in the South.

[seekupig]

Not to sound like a homer but if it weren't for Clemmons, Snyder, and Bill Laurie we would have a final four and a BigXII title by now.

every team can make "if" claims. "if" Wayne Simien hadn't been hurt, KU would've had a national title in '03.

[ousooner]

every team can make "if" claims. "if" Wayne Simien hadn't been hurt, KU would've had a national title in '03.

"If" the 1988 Final Four were not played at Kemper, KU would not have won the national title in 88' :BANG

[seekupig]

I do wish Missouri would improve in hoops though. Maybe Kansas would stop getting a free ride in the North. It's a huge advantage for them over the teams in the South.

i agree with this.

[UNC41]

I do wish Missouri would improve in hoops though. Maybe Kansas would stop getting a free ride in the North. It's a huge advantage for them over the teams in the South.

I thought there was no North and South divisions in college hoops.

[mizzoudmbfan]

every team can make "if" claims. "if" Wayne Simien hadn't been hurt, KU would've had a national title in '03.

your absolutly correct. sorry I should of thrown in a smilie to indicate my sarcasm. However I am not sarcastic when I say that the state of the basketball program would be much better off were it not for those 3 characters, especially Bill and Quinn.

Rob

[seekupig]

If the 1988 Final Four were not played at Kemper, KU would not have won the national title in 88' :BANG

If this years KU/OU game hadn't been played in Norman, OU would not have beat the Jayhawks.;)

[seekupig]

your absolutly correct. sorry I should of thrown in a smilie to indicate my sarcasm. However I am not sarcatic when I say that the state of the basketball program would be much better off were it not for those 3 characters, especially Bill and Quinn.

Rob

:thumbsup

[ousooner]

I thought there was no North and South divisions in college hoops.

There are. KU gets to play the weak sisters (Missouri, KState, Iowa St, Colorado, Nebraska) in the North twice and the teams in the South (OU, OSU, Texas, Texas Tech) once. Where as, OU, OSU, Texas Tech, Texas all have to play eachother home and away. KU has a big advantage in the conference race because of this setup.

[ousooner]

If this years KU/OU game hadn't been played in Norman, OU would not have beat the Jayhawks.;)

I'll gladly trade you

[seekupig]

I'll gladly trade you

maybe later.

[seekupig]

There are. KU gets to play the weak sisters (Missouri, KState, Iowa St, Colorado, Nebraska) in the North twice and the teams in the South (OU, OSU, Texas, Texas Tech) once. Where as, OU, OSU, Texas Tech, Texas all have to play eachother home and away. KU has a big advantage in the conference race because of this setup.

this is true now, but it runs in cycles. there was a time when the north was better. KU, Iowa St., Mizzou, and Colorado have all been good at some point over the last ten years. right now it's definately in KU's favor overall in the conference though.

[seekupig]

I thought there was no North and South divisions in college hoops.

i think the ACC is going to divisions once BC is in conference and it's evenly split, 6 & 6.

[mizzoudmbfan]

here is a good read about Bill Laurie if anyone cares. It's a Reilly article from a few years ago. pretty funny.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/inside_game/magazine/life_of_reilly/news/2001/05/15/life_of_reilly/

[seekupig]

here is a good read about Bill Laurie if anyone cares. It's a Reilly article from a few years ago. pretty funny.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/inside_game/magazine/life_of_reilly/news/2001/05/15/life_of_reilly/

:lol :lol

[UNC41]

i think the ACC is going to divisions once BC is in conference and it's evenly split, 6 & 6.

I was referring to the Big 12. Their standings show no North and South. Do they schedule along the lines of the two football divisions though?

[seekupig]

I was referring to the Big 12. Their standings show no North and South. Do they schedule along the lines of the two football divisions though?

yeah, you play everyone in your division twice, and play everyone in the other division once, alternating home/away every year giving you 16 conference games. they keep the standings as one to make seedings for the conference tourney more structured.

[UNC41]

yeah, you play everyone in your division twice, and play everyone in the other division once, alternating home/away every year giving you 16 conference games. they keep the standings as one to make seedings for the conference tourney more structured.

I got ya, thanks for the insight.

[watchtower41]

this is true now, but it runs in cycles. there was a time when the north was better. KU, Iowa St., Mizzou, and Colorado have all been good at some point over the last ten years. right now it's definately in KU's favor overall in the conference though.
:thumbsup

Completely agree, but it wasnt but 7-8 years ago when I owa St was ranked in the Top 5 with Cato, Willoughby, Tinsley, Fizer and Co.

Mizzou was a top 25 team every year lead by Kareem Rush.
Colorado was a Top 25 team as well there for a few years with Billups. I even want to say that Nebraska was a force for a few years with Tyrone Lue.

[jermtheworm]

:thumbsup

Completely agree, but it wasnt but 7-8 years ago when I owa St was ranked in the Top 5 with Cato, Willoughby, Tinsley, Fizer and Co.

Mizzou was a top 25 team every year lead by Kareem Rush.
Colorado was a Top 25 team as well there for a few years with Billups. I even want to say that Nebraska was a force for a few years with Tyrone Lue.


That Iowa St team was tough

[jermtheworm]

here is a good read about Bill Laurie if anyone cares. It's a Reilly article from a few years ago. pretty funny.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/inside_game/magazine/life_of_reilly/news/2001/05/15/life_of_reilly/


Love the avatar. Hope to catch them sometime this year.

[watchtower41]

That Iowa St team was tough


certainly put Tim Floyd on the map.....still never deserved the Bulls head job to replace Phil Jackson :ugh



Jerry Krause was such a clowndick with that dynasty breakup, back when the NBA was watchable and a good sport.

[Third Floor]

i think the ACC is going to divisions once BC is in conference and it's evenly split, 6 & 6.
im pretty sure theyre trying their hardest not to.

[unccrombie]

i think the ACC is going to divisions once BC is in conference and it's evenly split, 6 & 6.
the good and the bad?

[jermtheworm]

certainly put Tim Floyd on the map.....still never deserved the Bulls head job to replace Phil Jackson :ugh



Jerry Krause was such a clowndick with that dynasty breakup, back when the NBA was watchable and a good sport.

I Haven't watched a full NBA regular season game since. This past year was the first I gave any attention to the playoffs.

[jermtheworm]

by the way didn't floyd take a head job somewhere in college this past year?

[seekupig]

im pretty sure theyre trying their hardest not to.

they have to do something to keep the rivals playing twice a year. i know it was convenient for Wake to avoid the Dean Dome, but they really need those schools playing twice a year.

Duke
UNC
NC State
Wake Forest
Maryland
Clemson
------------------------
Boston College
Virginia
Virginia Tech
Miami
Florida State
Georgia Tech

that looked pretty good until i thought about football season......damn, that is a little bit lopsided.:lol

[Third Floor]

they have to do something to keep the rivals playing twice a year. i know it was convenient for Wake to avoid the Dean Dome, but they really need those schools playing twice a year.

Duke
UNC
NC State
Wake Forest
Maryland
Clemson
------------------------
Boston College
Virginia
Virginia Tech
Miami
Florida State
Georgia Tech

that looked pretty good until i thought about football season......damn, that is a little bit lopsided.:lollooks pretty damn lopsided for basketball. predicting that BC doesnt hold on to the way they played this year, Gatech gets the bottom section, its not gonna work. you cant do it and have the big 4 in the same division.

[UNC41]

by the way didn't floyd take a head job somewhere in college this past year?

USC...Southern Cal, not South Carolina

[UNC41]

looks pretty damn lopsided for basketball. predicting that BC doesnt hold on to the way they played this year, Gatech gets the bottom section, its not gonna work. you cant do it and have the big 4 in the same division.

It does look lopsided for basketball, but as a fan I'd rather see Carolina play Duke, State, Maryland and Wake twice a year than have it any other way. The schedule would result in a couple more losses for each team, but there would be so many great basketball games.

[seekupig]

It does look lopsided for basketball, but as a fan I'd rather see Carolina play Duke, State, Maryland and Wake twice a year than have it any other way. The schedule would result in a couple more losses for each team, but there would be so many great basketball games.

well put.:thumbsup

[haildmb]

right now they're planning different sets of divisions for football and basketball...

what kind of dumbass sense does that make? Just to make everything even? What are we going to rearrange the divisions every few years when some teams are down to keep them even? Retarded, just like the whole expansion business in the first place.

[unccrombie]

right now they're planning different sets of divisions for football and basketball...

what kind of dumbass sense does that make? Just to make everything even? What are we going to rearrange the divisions every few years when some teams are down to keep them even? Retarded, just like the whole expansion business in the first place.
i dont blame schools for leaving the big east on the football side of the spectrum, but what can you do.

[seekupig]

right now they're planning different sets of divisions for football and basketball...

what kind of dumbass sense does that make? Just to make everything even? What are we going to rearrange the divisions every few years when some teams are down to keep them even? Retarded, just like the whole expansion business in the first place.

i'm still a fan of the old eight team league before FSU got there.

[mizzoudmbfan]

i'm still a fan of the old eight team league before FSU got there.

I'm ALL about 8 team confs!! ;)

[seekupig]

I'm ALL about 8 team confs!! ;)

yeah, other than Texas, i still think the Big 8 got the bad end of that deal. they were a solid conference in every sport, every year.

[haildmb]

i'm still a fan of the old eight team league before FSU got there.


I never even considered FSU an ACC team until these new teams joined :lol Now they've been grandfathered in

[ousooner]

right now they're planning different sets of divisions for football and basketball...

what kind of dumbass sense does that make? Just to make everything even? What are we going to rearrange the divisions every few years when some teams are down to keep them even? Retarded, just like the whole expansion business in the first place.

If they have the two division winners in football play in a championship game like the Big 12 and SEC, you would have to have FSU and Miami in seperate divisions if they were to ever play in the ACC championship game, but have them in the same division in hoops because of proximity. Just a guess.

[UNC41]

If anyone wants to watch a good game rather than the blowout on ESPN, turn it to the Deuce to watch Charlotte at Louisville.

[UNC41]

I guess I spoke too soon about the Charlotte/Louisville game.

[jermtheworm]

USC...Southern Cal, not South Carolina


that's right, thank you

[haildmb]

FSU is playing their ass off right now

[UNC41]

Why aren't they showing the UNC game here :BANG.

It is looking like they are missing McCants tonight and FSU is shooting out of this world.

[haildmb]

Why aren't they showing the UNC game here :BANG.

It is looking like they are missing McCants tonight and FSU is shooting out of this world.


they're making everything they think of

[UNC41]

That's what it sounds like. I don't know where I'd be right now without Yahoo radio.

[UNC41]

How's the Carolina defense look?

[haildmb]

How's the Carolina defense look?


not much you can do with the shots FSU is making, so okay other than that

[UNC41]

I'm getting FSU radio and the announcers are pissing me off.

[haildmb]

I'm getting FSU radio and the announcers are pissing me off.


I have billy packer so I envy you

[UNC41]

I have billy packer so I envy you

:lol

Let's keep this run going.

[mizzoudmbfan]

So IF Illinois wins it all, considering the fact that they have a pretty rediculous team. Seeing as how the final four is in StL do you guys think they will get the same line that kU gets about '88 title from Kemper?

[UNC41]

I can hear the Dean Dome getting loud. I just wish I could see it.

[bdb23]

Dee Brown is just sick tonight!!!! 8 three's already.

[unccrombie]

make it 11 baby

[unccrombie]

Dee Brown is just sick tonight!!!! 8 three's already.
because purdue plays such good defense

[UNC41]

Dee Brown is just sick tonight!!!! 8 three's already.

He's good, just not very quick ;) .

[bdb23]

because purdue plays such good defense
Sorry but when he's shooting the ball from the possession arrow, I don't care about defense. Try again.

[unccrombie]

Sorry but when he's shooting the ball from the possession arrow, I don't care about defense. Try again.
don't give me that trickery! i can't see the game! :lol

[gbs3769]

I got my bid in and paypal purchase for the Big East Tournament Finals!

Now I just need to find some tickets for the second round...

- Matt

[bdb23]

don't give me that trickery! i can't see the game! :lol
It's on the duece here. He had 24 (7 3's) in the first half. It was crazy as he hit one after the inbounds with 1.1 sec at the end of the half. This easy Purdue game should have them relaxed and focused on OSU on Sunday.

[UNC41]

Sean May showing up big time tonight.

[unccrombie]

Sean May showing up big time tonight.
we need him bad on sunday

[DMBfan41]

FDU won their quarterfinal game against St. Francis tonight. Sunday they play LIU in the semifinals!

GO FDU!

[UNC41]

we need him bad on sunday

32 and 11 for May tonight. His 7th straight double-double. You couldn't go wrong voting for him, Redick, or Paul as ACC POY.

[unccrombie]

1 more win until the ACC title is ours :)

[UNC41]

Hopefully Rashad will be back. UNC/Duke with the ACC title on the line (for UNC at least). It's games like this that are what college basketball is all about.

[unccrombie]

Hopefully Rashad will be back. UNC/Duke with the ACC title on the line (for UNC at least). It's games like this that are what college basketball is all about.
come over and watch it on my 61"

[UNC41]

come over and watch it on my 61"

I wish, unless someone decides its a good idea to pay me to fly to Syracuse. I'll stick to my 25". At least its a flatscreen.

[unccrombie]

i heard jet blue fares are only $69 each way

[UNC41]

Hmmmmm

*goes to check online bank statement*

[trippingbilly12]

yall can come watch it on my 129 inch tv







wait, do i even have a tv that big??



I do have high definition on a pretty big tv though, I loooovvvvee watchin sports on it. I have my friends over every year for the final four/championship

[unccrombie]

a 129" tv would take up the deep end of a swimming pool

[UNC41]

If I weren't headed to Vegas in less than 2 weeks, and those flights were actually that cheap, I'd be tough to pass up. The good thing is that clinching a conference title looks the same regardless the size of the TV.

[unccrombie]

ever seen beyounce in HD? good god

[UNC41]

I'm not a huge Beyonce guy, but would still enjoy it. Now, Eliza Dushku in HD is something that could keep me entertained all day.

[unccrombie]

her too :thumbsup or we could always tivo ashley judd

[UNC41]

It's not Kentucky's non-exciting basketball that has kept me into some of their games this year.

[trippingbilly12]

ever seen beyounce in HD? good god

anything in hd is :thumbsup

(this includes beyonce)

[clayj41]

32 and 11 for May tonight. His 7th straight double-double. You couldn't go wrong voting for him, Redick, or Paul as ACC POY.

May had such an unbelievable night! He just tore it up.

[UNC41]

May had such an unbelievable night! He just tore it up.

He's been dominant lately. Career high tonight.

[clayj41]

He has really been playing well. He'll need to keep it up with McCants out. I was actually worried during the first half though. FSU was putting up a hell of a fight.

[UNC41]

The game wasn't televised here, but it sounded like they were shooting lights out during the first half. Was UNC struggling defensively or was FSU playing that good on offense?

[clayj41]

FSU was just hitting their shots. UNC was a little lack on defense as well.

[bdb23]

29-0!!!!

Hey SI, thanks but no thanks... http://i.cnn.net/si/si_online/covers/images/2005/0307_large.jpg

[seekupig]

29-0!!!!

Hey SI, thanks but no thanks... http://i.cnn.net/si/si_online/covers/images/2005/0307_large.jpg

uh-oh. you're in trouble now........:lol :lol :lol

look at the positive, at least now you already have an excuse when they choke.;)

[bdb23]

uh-oh. you're in trouble now........:lol :lol :lol

look at the positive, at least now you already have an excuse when they choke.;)
Un-be-lieve-able :D

This (http://images.sportsline.com/u/photos/basketball/college/img8250651.jpg) was a nice sight. Perhaps a sign of things to come???

[seekupig]

This (http://images.sportsline.com/u/photos/basketball/college/img8250651.jpg) was a nice sight. Perhaps a sign of things to come???

maybe, maybe not. If it was a sign of things to come for KU every time they cut down the nets after winning a conference title, i wouldn't have an ulcer right now.

[trippingbilly12]

maybe, maybe not. If it was a sign of things to come for KU every time they cut down the nets after winning a conference title, i wouldn't have an ulcer right now.

:lol

*patiently waits for ku national championship*

[seekupig]

:lol

*patiently waits for ku national championship*

luckily i'm old enough to remember the last one, so i don't have to listen to stories about how great it was, Danny and the miracle, etc.....

but i would like a another, just to shut up the "KU can't win the big game" fuckers out there. there are 326 teams in Division 1 basketball, only ONE of those teams are going to win it all. getting beat in the tourney by inferior teams may be choking, but going to Final Fours and Elite Eights and losing to the team that becomes national champion isn't choking.

[bdb23]

maybe, maybe not. If it was a sign of things to come for KU every time they cut down the nets after winning a conference title, i wouldn't have an ulcer right now.
:thumbsup http://www.uiuc.edu/resources/bruce_weber.mp3

[watchtower41]

I'm not a huge Beyonce guy, but would still enjoy it. Now, Eliza Dushku in HD is something that could keep me entertained all day.

:thumbsup that's an earned rep point if Iever seen one

[seekupig]

:thumbsup http://www.uiuc.edu/resources/bruce_weber.mp3

TRANSLATION: No matter what happens, please don't burn this place down.

[watchtower41]

:thumbsup http://www.uiuc.edu/resources/bruce_weber.mp3



I like Weber. He's really done great things with the hi-lo offense they are running.... talk in Chi today is how likely Dee and Deron are to go pro, only their tourney success will determine that. Granted they played shithouse Purdue last night, but watching that game... they could have beaten pretty much anyone in the country. If the Illini are hitting thier shots like that, there's little anybody can do against them. The true test will come when they are down 8 like at Michigan, except not against a crap Michigan D.

[gbs3769]

there are 326 teams in Division 1 basketball, only ONE of those teams are going to win it all. getting beat in the tourney by inferior teams may be choking, but going to Final Fours and Elite Eights and losing to the team that becomes national champion isn't choking.

Not to mention that a total of 34 teams have ever won a National Championship in Division 1 basketball. That is just over 10%. So to even be among the 34 programs that have won a title you have to be pretty good.

- Matt

[UNC41]

I like Weber. He's really done great things with the hi-lo offense they are running.... talk in Chi today is how likely Dee and Deron are to go pro, only their tourney success will determine that. Granted they played shithouse Purdue last night, but watching that game... they could have beaten pretty much anyone in the country. If the Illini are hitting thier shots like that, there's little anybody can do against them. The true test will come when they are down 8 like at Michigan, except not against a crap Michigan D.

Weber has shown that he can do a hell of a coaching job. Now what he has to show is that he can recruit to that ability to keep the Illini near the top.

[seekupig]

Weber has shown that he can do a hell of a coaching job. Now what he has to show is that he can recruit to that ability to keep the Illini near the top.

Southern Illinois is ranked #25 in the ESPN coaches poll, #21 in the RPI, and have a record of 25-6 with players that Weber recruited before going to Illinois. i didn't realize that either until last nite. looks like he may have the whole package. what it comes down to is that everyone in the UNC/KU/Illinois coach swap made out good.

[UNC41]

Southern Illinois is ranked #25 in the ESPN coaches poll, #21 in the RPI, and have a record of 25-6 with players that Weber recruited before going to Illinois. i didn't realize that either until last nite. looks like he may have the whole package. what it comes down to is that everyone in the UNC/KU/Illinois coach swap made out good.

Good point. I just haven't heard much about the recruiting he has done while at Illinois.

[UNC41]

ESPN.com All-Americans

Chris Paul
J.J. Redick
Wayne Simien
Sean May
Andrew Bogut (POY)

[clayj41]

That looks about right. I don't know about Bogut as POY though. I think it's a toss up right now.

[seekupig]

ESPN.com All-Americans

Chris Paul
J.J. Redick
Wayne Simien
Sean May
Andrew Bogut (POY)

there aren't enough ACC players on that list.:rolleyes

[UNC41]

there aren't enough ACC players on that list.:rolleyes

I think the list looks about right. When a conference has three of the top six teams in the nation it shouldn't be too big suprise to see three All-Americans come from there.

[seekupig]

I don't know about Bogut as POY though. I think it's a toss up right now.

he's dominating the #132 best schedule in the country, give the man his props.....

[seekupig]

I think the list looks about right. When a conference has three of the top six teams in the nation it shouldn't be too big suprise to see three All-Americans come from there.

and this is an ESPN poll, which in itself explains a lot. (JJ should not be first team)

[bdb23]

I like Weber. He's really done great things with the hi-lo offense they are running.... talk in Chi today is how likely Dee and Deron are to go pro, only their tourney success will determine that. Granted they played shithouse Purdue last night, but watching that game... they could have beaten pretty much anyone in the country. If the Illini are hitting thier shots like that, there's little anybody can do against them. The true test will come when they are down 8 like at Michigan, except not against a crap Michigan D.
:thumbsup They said last night that Brown is only a mid to late 2nd rounder at this point. It would be better to come back and go 1st round next year. Just my thoughts.

[seekupig]

It would be better to come back and go 1st round next year. Just my thoughts.

i wouldn't have expected you say that.:lol

[bdb23]

i wouldn't have expected you say that.:lol
C'mon. :D

[seekupig]

C'mon. :D

well if it's any consolation, i think J.R. Giddens should leave early and declare for the Mason's Draft. he's clearly got a knack for throwing up bricks......

[UNC41]

and this is an ESPN poll, which in itself explains a lot. (JJ should not be first team)

If you are going to put a shooter on there I'd put Salim Stoudemire. However, its ESPN so the ACC wins out.

[seekupig]

If you are going to put a shooter on there I'd put Salim Stoudemire. However, its ESPN so the ACC wins out.

my thoughts exactly.

[watchtower41]

:thumbsup They said last night that Brown is only a mid to late 2nd rounder at this point. It would be better to come back and go 1st round next year. Just my thoughts.


Yeah that the word... here's the thing though, his shooting can't get much better than it is, his stock just isnt as high as Deron's because scouts havent seen him run the team on a full-time basis....which obviously he's gonna have to do on the next level. My thoughts, they either both stay or both go... it wont be one or the other type thing. If they make it to the Final Four, see ya. :thumbsdow

[bdb23]

Yeah that the word... here's the thing though, his shooting can't get much better than it is, his stock just isnt as high as Deron's because scouts havent seen him run the team on a full-time basis....which obviously he's gonna have to do on the next level. My thoughts, they either both stay or both go... it wont be one or the other type thing. If they make it to the Final Four, see ya. :thumbsdow
You're right. They both jump or both stay.

[watchtower41]

well if it's any consolation, i think J.R. Giddens should leave early and declare for the Mason's Draft. he's clearly got a knack for throwing up bricks......


:lol :lol
The kid has never seen a 3 that doesnt look good to him... I feel like such an idiot too, I thought he'd be the best to come through KU since Pierce. :twak :freak

[jermtheworm]

:lol :lol
The kid has never seen a 3 that doesnt look good to him... I feel like such an idiot too, I thought he'd be the best to come through KU since Pierce. :twak :freak


Hey, we would have been happy for him to stay in state. (Not that school in stoolwater either.)

[watchtower41]

Hey, we would have been happy for him to stay in state. (Not that school in stoolwater either.)


Don't get me wrong, I still love the kid.... MASS potential, but his game hit a huge sophmore slump once the scouts started coming out in bunches and jump talks roaming about. The Iowa St loss at home could squarley be blamed on his horrific shooting.... if he would stopped at any point, we might of actually had a chance

[jermtheworm]

Don't get me wrong, I still love the kid.... MASS potential, but his game hit a huge sophmore slump once the scouts started coming out in bunches and jump talks roaming about. The Iowa St loss at home could squarley be blamed on his horrific shooting.... if he would stopped at any point, we might of actually had a chance



think he's reading his own press clippings a little?

[seekupig]

think he's reading his own press clippings a little?

if he was doing that, he'd stopped shooting the ball about a month ago. He about broke the backboard with a shot the other night.

[seekupig]

if bracketology is right, it seems as if Kentucky may be punished with their #1 seed. what kind of reward is a second round game against the Georgia Tech/Texas Tech winner? hell, i'd rather be KU in the #2 if that's the case......

[ousooner]

if he was doing that, he'd stopped shooting the ball about a month ago. He about broke the backboard with a shot the other night.

:lol

[watchtower41]

if bracketology is right, it seems as if Kentucky may be punished with their #1 seed. what kind of reward is a second round game against the Georgia Tech/Texas Tech winner? hell, i'd rather be KU in the #2 if that's the case......



you know I was thinking the other day....completely random, but as far as 2nd round goes, its much better to be the 2 seed. Get this, the No 1 has to play either 8 or 9 in the second round, usually dangerous teams that barley get in with nothing to lose. The 2 seed has to play the winner of 7-10 game, which we all know in most years the 10 seed upsets the 7 pretty much 75% of the time. The 2 seed has a 3/4 chance to play a lower seed in the 2nd round, and usually an under-manned mid major conference winner as opposed to a powerhouse with a medoicre year

[trippingbilly12]

you know I was thinking the other day....completely random, but as far as 2nd round goes, its much better to be the 2 seed. Get this, the No 1 has to play either 8 or 9 in the second round, usually dangerous teams that barley get in with nothing to lose. The 2 seed has to play the winner of 7-10 game, which we all know in most years the 10 seed upsets the 7 pretty much 75% of the time. The 2 seed has a 3/4 chance to play a lower seed in the 2nd round, and usually an under-manned mid major conference winner as opposed to a powerhouse with a medoicre year

thats what makes march madness so great :)

and horrible when my bracket is screwed up every year after round 2

EDIT: I forgot to mention, i love watching those 7-10 games and 6-11 games. :thumbsup

[seekupig]

FOX sports seems to have gotten in on the bracketology game. Just goes to show that we won't know shit until they are released next weekend. UK, KU, and Duke in the same Region? it gives comments be each team as well......

http://msn.foxsports.com/cbk/story/3397776

discuss.

[seekupig]

thats what makes march madness so great :)

and horrible when my bracket is screwed up every year after round 2

EDIT: I forgot to mention, i love watching those 7-10 games and 6-11 games. :thumbsup

5-12 games are where you make or break your bracket. I won a few years back when i picked three 12 seeds to win. i went 4-4 in the 5-12 games.

[trippingbilly12]

5-12 games are where you make or break your bracket. I won a few years back when i picked three 12 seeds to win. i went 4-4 in the 5-12 games.

was iowa st- hampton one of those upsets?

[seekupig]

was iowa st- hampton one of those upsets?

wasn't that a 2-15 game in '97?

[clayj41]

Marcus Fizer baby!

[UNC41]

Dickey V's All-American Team

Chris Paul
Raymond Felton
JJ Redick
Sheldon Williams
Sean May

I made that up, but I'd be willing to bet that half of you thought it was for real.

[seekupig]

First round, 2001 tourney

#2 Iowa St - 57
#15 Hampton - 58

[UNC41]

First round, 2001 tourney

#2 Iowa St - 57
#15 Hampton - 58

That was a great game, what March Madness is all about.

[trippingbilly12]

wasn't that a 2-15 game in '97?

nah it was later then 97, 2001 sounds right

what a good game, and a total bracket buster as well

[gbs3769]

I made that up, but I'd be willing to bet that half of you thought it was for real.

I believed that. Only because it isn't too far from what is typical Dick Vitale.

- Matt

[seekupig]

nah it was later then 97, 2001 sounds right

what a good game, and a total bracket buster as well

i'm getting old, all of these tourney's are starting to run together for me.......

the year i was talking about though was 2002 with the 5/12 games......

#12 Mizzou def. #5 Ohio St.
#12 Tulsa def. #5 Marquette
#12 Creighton def. #5 Florida
#5 Indiana def. #12 Utah

[trippingbilly12]

i'm getting old, all of these tourney's are starting to run together for me.......

the year i was talking about though was 2002 with the 5/12 games......

#12 Mizzou def. #5 Ohio St.
#12 Tulsa def. #5 Marquette
#12 Creighton def. #5 Florida
#5 Indiana def. #12 Utah

i do remember that as well, that pretty much knocked everyone out of a decent bracket

[seekupig]

i do remember that as well, that pretty much knocked everyone out of a decent bracket

what really fucked things up was Mizzou going all the way to the Elite 8. you can normally overcome an early upset as long as you had that team losing in the next round or so. the ones that kill, are your final four teams getting knocked out on the first weekend. i always hedge my picks a little, if i pick a big upset i have that team losing in the next round so if it doesn't happen it doesn't hurt to much.

[trippingbilly12]

what really fucked things up was Mizzou going all the way to the Elite 8. you can normally overcome an early upset as long as you had that team losing in the next round or so. the ones that kill, are your final four teams getting knocked out on the first weekend. i always hedge my picks a little, if i pick a big upset i have that team losing in the next round so if it doesn't happen it doesn't hurt to much.

:thumbsup good point

my friend had usc going to the final 4 or championship ( i cant remember which), but they got knocked out in the first round. He was toast

[jermtheworm]

I don't mean to break the conversation, but did ya'll see Jermaine O'neal get a seperated right shoulder and shoot his free throws left handed and made both of them. I thought that was pretty impressive.

[haildmb]

what really fucked things up was Mizzou going all the way to the Elite 8. you can normally overcome an early upset as long as you had that team losing in the next round or so. the ones that kill, are your final four teams getting knocked out on the first weekend. i always hedge my picks a little, if i pick a big upset i have that team losing in the next round so if it doesn't happen it doesn't hurt to much.


My dad picked that.

Consequently he won that year

[haildmb]

:thumbsup good point

my friend had usc going to the final 4 or championship ( i cant remember which), but they got knocked out in the first round. He was toast

When they lost to Coppin St?

[seekupig]

:thumbsup good point

my friend had usc going to the final 4 or championship ( i cant remember which), but they got knocked out in the first round. He was toast

that game was huge here. #13 UNC-Dubb beat #4 USC 93-89

[mizzoudmbfan]

i'm getting old, all of these tourney's are starting to run together for me.......

the year i was talking about though was 2002 with the 5/12 games......

#12 Mizzou def. #5 Ohio St.
#12 Tulsa def. #5 Marquette
#12 Creighton def. #5 Florida
#5 Indiana def. #12 Utah

Ah yes, the one bright spot in Coach Snyders career. A little trivial info(I have never actually looked all of this up, I have just heard it a number of times so it could be slightly off) Mizzou is the team that has made the big dance the most YET never made a final 4.

Also, I made the mistake of asking this question during game time last night and it got buried. Do you guys think that IF Illinois wins it all in StL that they will get the same crap that kU occasionally gets for winning in KC in '88?

Rob

[trippingbilly12]

that game was huge here. #13 UNC-Dubb beat #4 USC 93-89

i believe that was it, he was pissed to say the least

[haildmb]

i believe that was it, he was pissed to say the least


USC so cal, or the real USC south carolina?

[trippingbilly12]

USC so cal, or the real USC south carolina?

so cal- they were a pretty high seed a few years ago and lost in the first round, i don't remember to who though

[haildmb]

so cal- they were a pretty high seed a few years ago and lost in the first round, i don't remember to who though

yeah that was UNCW

thought you meant back in 97 when #15 Coppin State beat #2 USCarolina

[trippingbilly12]

yeah that was UNCW

thought you meant back in 97 when #15 Coppin State beat #2 USCarolina

nah, but i vaguely remember that as well.

[Davenumber40]

Also, I made the mistake of asking this question during game time last night and it got buried. Do you guys think that IF Illinois wins it all in StL that they will get the same crap that kU occasionally gets for winning in KC in '88?

Rob

Probably not if they have a perfect season. You really can't argue with that.

[UNC41]

what really fucked things up was Mizzou going all the way to the Elite 8. you can normally overcome an early upset as long as you had that team losing in the next round or so. the ones that kill, are your final four teams getting knocked out on the first weekend. i always hedge my picks a little, if i pick a big upset i have that team losing in the next round so if it doesn't happen it doesn't hurt to much.

I had Mizzou in the Elite 8 that year. Helped me win around $200.

[UNC41]

Tony and Mike did college basketball food chain on PTI and here's who they said had the best bet to get to the Final Four.

Tony
1. UNC
2. Wake
3. Kansas
4. UConn
5. Illinois

Mike
1. UNC
2. Illinois
3. UConn
4. Wake
5. Zona (I think, could have been OSU)

[trippingbilly12]

Tony and Mike did college basketball food chain on PTI and here's who they said had the best bet to get to the Final Four.

Tony
1. UNC
2. Wake
3. Kansas
4. UConn
5. Illinois

Mike
1. UNC
2. Illinois
3. UConn
4. Wake
5. Zona (I think, could have been OSU)

both lists seem pretty reasonable, interesting that tony has illinois #5.

What does everyone think about illinois? Are they that good? or will their magic end early in the tourney?

[seekupig]

Also, I made the mistake of asking this question during game time last night and it got buried. Do you guys think that IF Illinois wins it all in StL that they will get the same crap that kU occasionally gets for winning in KC in '88?

Rob

KU was unranked going into the tournament that year. OU had beaten them twice in the regular season including once at Allen Fieldhouse. The fact that they still cry about that is a joke.

What do you call 30 Sooner fans locked in a basement?
A whine cellar.

[trippingbilly12]

KU was unranked going into the tournament that year. OU had beaten them twice in the regular season including once at Allen Fieldhouse. The fact that they still cry about that is a joke.

What do you call 30 Sooner fans locked in a basement?
A whine cellar.

exactly, i dont see a comparison between the two.....

[ousooner]

Ah yes, the one bright spot in Coach Snyders career. A little trivial info(I have never actually looked all of this up, I have just heard it a number of times so it could be slightly off) Mizzou is the team that has made the big dance the most YET never made a final 4.

Also, I made the mistake of asking this question during game time last night and it got buried. Do you guys think that IF Illinois wins it all in StL that they will get the same crap that kU occasionally gets for winning in KC in '88?

Rob

What sucked so bad about 88' was the KU had 11 losses and was even questionable as a tournament team. Oklahoma had already beaten them twice that season and had just beaten the second best team in the country (Arizona - Sean Elliot, Steve Kerr, Judd Buschler) in the semifinals. If that Final Four had been played anywhere else in the world besides Kansas City, KU probably doesn't win it. There is no question about Illinois being one of the top teams in the country and a national title contender. You could not say that about the 88' KU team going into the tournament.

[seekupig]

Tony and Mike did college basketball food chain on PTI and here's who they said had the best bet to get to the Final Four.

Tony
1. UNC
2. Wake
3. Kansas
4. UConn
5. Illinois

Mike
1. UNC
2. Illinois
3. UConn
4. Wake
5. Zona (I think, could have been OSU)

Wilbon is a joke. i usually like him, but he took Kansas off because of "lack of Final Four experience" because they weren't there last year. Not realizing that their four seniors have been to more Final Fours then the rest of his top 5 combined.

[ousooner]

I saw a stat on Sportscenter last night about the teams with the most tournament wins never to win a national title. I think it went something like this:

Illinois - 32
Temple - 31
Oklahoma - 30

[seekupig]

What sucked so bad about 88' was the KU had 11 losses and was even questionable as a tournament team. Oklahoma had already beaten them twice that season and had just beaten the second best team in the country (Arizona - Sean Elliot, Steve Kerr, Judd Buschler) in the semifinals. If that Final Four had been played anywhere else in the world besides Kansas City, KU probably doesn't win it. There is no question about Illinois being one of the top teams in the country and a national title contender. You could not say that about the 88' KU team going into the tournament.

you can win at Allen Fieldhouse, but not in Kansas City?

[trippingbilly12]

Wilbon is a joke. i usually like him, but he took Kansas off because of "lack of Final Four experience" because they weren't there last year. Not realizing that their four seniors have been to more Final Fours then the rest of his top 5 combined.

no final four experience??? are you joking me??

Thats the reason I think KU should do well this year, they know how to get there

*passionately knocks on wood*

[ousooner]

you can win at Allen Fieldhouse, but not in Kansas City?

Beat a team 3 times in one season in there own backyard? Try to beat Oklahoma or Oklahoma St. for the third time in a season in OKC.

My point was, that in my opinion, Illinois winning in St. Louis would not be comparible to the 88' KU team winning in Kansas City

[mizzoudmbfan]

MU's very own Mike Hall doing the premier of ESPN-U. Right now on U or the deuce.

[ousooner]

you can win at Allen Fieldhouse, but not in Kansas City?

Nothing personal with this. It's been almost 18 years, but I'm still bitter about it. It was a tough four months. First OU loses the national championship to Miami on Miami's home field at the Orange Bowl, then four months later OU loses the national championship to Kansas at Kemper. It didn't help playing at Kemper but I think the real reason OU lost that game was because Billy Tubbs ran his team down. They were bushed at the end of that game and Billy had 4 juco All Americans sitting on the bench that hardly played. Still hard to understand how a team with 3 lottery picks (Stacy King, Mookie Blaylock, Harvey Grant) could have lost that game.

[seekupig]

Beat a team 3 times in one season in there own backyard?

One game was played in Norman, OU won.
One game was played in Lawrence, OU won.

Title game played in KC, KU won.

not three times, though it does suck that the game that counted was a bit in our favor. but i think if Illinois was to play UNC, they would have a more decided advantage than KU did. at least OU was in the same part of the country, it's under a six hour drive from OU to KC. UNC fans would have to fly (we all know that UNC fans are everywhere, so i take that back.:rolleyes )

[ousooner]

One game was played in Norman, OU won.
One game was played in Lawrence, OU won.

Title game played in KC, KU won.

not three times, though it does suck that the game that counted was a bit in our favor. but i think if Illinois was to play UNC, they would have a more decided advantage than KU did. at least OU was in the same part of the country, it's under a six hour drive from OU to KC. UNC fans would have to fly (we all know that UNC fans are everywhere, so i take that back.:rolleyes )

Your description above was what I meant. Beat a team for the third time, with the third game being in there own backyard, not all three games at KU.

You are probably right about Illinois having a decided advantage over UNC in St. Louis, but I think most people believe Kansas would not have won that game outside of Kemper. I don't think you could say the same for Illinois beating UNC. Illinois is good enough to beat UNC anywhere, but was Kansas good enough to beat Oklahoma anywhere but at home?

[unccrombie]

Your description above was what I meant. Beat a team for the third time, with the third game being in there own backyard, not all three games at KU.

You are probably right about Illinois having a decided advantage over UNC in St. Louis, but I think most people believe Kansas would not have won that game outside of Kemper. I don't think you could say the same for Illinois beating UNC. Illinois is good enough to beat UNC anywhere, but was Kansas good enough to beat Oklahoma anywhere but at home?
i wish there was a chance to prove you wrong

[seekupig]

Your description above was what I meant. Beat a team for the third time, with the third game being in there own backyard, not all three games at KU.

You are probably right about Illinois having a decided advantage over UNC in St. Louis, but I think most people believe Kansas would not have won that game outside of Kemper. I don't think you could say the same for Illinois beating UNC. Illinois is good enough to beat UNC anywhere, but was Kansas good enough to beat Oklahoma anywhere but at home?

they had to play a perfect game, and their star player had to dominate. both happened. had they played that game nine more times at Kemper, OU probably wins all nine. just like if 'Nova and Georgetown had played nine more times, the Hoyas probably win all nine. that's the beauty of single elimination, it only takes once. trust me though, i feel your pain. KU has been on the wrong side of once in a lifetime games more often than not. I was actually hoping for a rematch in 2002 when KU lost to Maryland and OU lost to Indiana in the Final Four.

[ousooner]

i wish there was a chance to prove you wrong

I would pick UNC in that game. I think Illinois is good enough to beat UNC anywhere, but I'm not saying they would beat them.

[ousooner]

they had to play a perfect game, and their star player had to dominate. both happened. had they played that game nine more times at Kemper, OU probably wins all nine. just like if 'Nova and Georgetown had played nine more times, the Hoyas probably win all nine. that's the beauty of single elimination, it only takes once. trust me though, i feel your pain. KU has been on the wrong side of once in a lifetime games more often than not. I was actually hoping for a rematch in 2002 when KU lost to Maryland and OU lost to Indiana in the Final Four.

I would have given anything for that game to have taken place in 02'. Just like I've been waiting 18 years for another shot at Miami on the football field. Maybe one day.

[seekupig]

I would have given anything for that game to have taken place in 02'. Just like I've been waiting 18 years for another shot at Miami on the football field. Maybe one day.

:lol
look at the bright side, when college basketball is over, i'm bored until next season. at least you have football season to look forward to. i hear the fat man has some nice recruits coming in, but it's nearly impossible to recruit against the "football" schools when you have no football history outside of Gayle Sayers and John Riggins.

[unccrombie]

I would pick UNC in that game. I think Illinois is good enough to beat UNC anywhere, but I'm not saying they would beat them.
ah, from your post it seemed like it was the other way around, my apologies ;)

[ousooner]

:lol
look at the bright side, when college basketball is over, i'm bored until next season. at least you have football season to look forward to. i hear the fat man has some nice recruits coming in, but it's nearly impossible to recruit against the "football" schools when you have no football history outside of Gayle Sayers and John Riggins.

That's true. It definitely gives me something to look forward to almost year round. Basketball is ending and spring practice is beginning. Then it's just a few months until the real season ;)

[unccrombie]

:lol
look at the bright side, when college basketball is over, i'm bored until next season. at least you have football season to look forward to. i hear the fat man has some nice recruits coming in, but it's nearly impossible to recruit against the "football" schools when you have no football history outside of Gayle Sayers and John Riggins.
after last years dissapointment (again) i wouldn't want to go to OU :lol

[seekupig]

That's true. It definitely gives me something to look forward to almost year round. Basketball is ending and spring practice is beginning. Then it's just a few months until the real season ;)

well, i'm a KC Royals fan so i usually take the summer off from sports unless it's a World Cup year. If the Chiefs get these defensive free agents i'm hearing about, the NFL should be a little more tolerable for me this season. Have you ever seen a team that bad be so fun to watch?

[ousooner]

after last years dissapointment (again) i wouldn't want to go to OU :lol

We took a beating on the OU boards during and after that game. Fans from every other school in the country came by to rip us. It's like I told them then, Sure it sucks and hurts like hell to lose a championship, but I'd rather be runner up 100 years in a row then never get to play for a championship at all like most of them.

[ousooner]

well, i'm a KC Royals fan so i usually take the summer off from sports unless it's a World Cup year. If the Chiefs get these defensive free agents i'm hearing about, the NFL should be a little more tolerable for me this season. Have you ever seen a team that bad be so fun to watch?

I feel your pain. I'm a Royals fan too. Never got on board with the Chiefs though. You like all the Kansas teams. This may be a stupid question, but where are you originally from?

[seekupig]

We took a beating on the OU boards during and after that game. Fans from every other school in the country came by to rip us. It's like I told them then, Sure it sucks and hurts like hell to lose a championship, but I'd rather be runner up 100 years in a row then never get to play for a championship at all like most of them.

:thumbsup like all the people who talk about Kansas choking in the Final Four year after year. I'd rather go every year, know that my team is going to be good every year, and not win it than have that one fluke season where you're good, get lucky in the tournament and go back to being a crappy program.

[seekupig]

I feel your pain. I'm a Royals fan too. Never got on board with the Chiefs though. You like all the Kansas teams. This may be a stupid question, but where are you originally from?

Kansas. i'm a military brat so i've been moving around since i was 3 months old. I picked up the teams that my dad and cousins all liked when i was little and became die hard. I'm not the type to change my favorite team every time i move somewhere. the only thing i haven't had since i've been watching is a Chiefs superbowl. not including the Kings, when they moved to Sacramento i stopped following the NBA. now i just watch teams with KU players on them.