Preseason NCAA Basketball Poll is released

[seekupig]

Kansas is the most overated team in the country.
:lol :lol :lol

they start three seniors that have been to two Final Fours and one Elite Eight, but they're overrated?:confused:

if you say so....

[Nautiest_monkey]

You're from Raleigh. I'm from Kansas. I get to see every game they play.

[Nautiest_monkey]

So what if they start 3 seniors? I'd rather take a soph that could play than a senior who can't.

[Nautiest_monkey]

Not to mention the fact that they break down, when the pressure gets to much.

[seekupig]

You're from Raleigh. I'm from Kansas. I get to see every game they play.
i'm from kansas, but live in raleigh. had you paid any attention in the "Kansas" thread, you'd know this.

since i did pay attention to that thread i know that you are a bitter K-State grad that's upset that you've beaten KU exactly 1 time since the Reagan left office and still dumbfounded how KU worked over the mighty WILDCATS in football this year..... but hey, you still have your nationally ranked debate team.

maybe if you ask nice, Mitch Richmond will come back and help you cover the 40 point spread this year......

....and by the way, those seniors can play. but since you said you like sophomores better, check out JR Giddens.

[watchtower41]

Kansas is the most overated team in the country.



Theyve won their last two games by a combined 74 points against two teams that won game(s) in the tournament last year. Overrated?? U want them to win by 100??? :lol With their 4 extremely talented seniors and the phenomenal 4 frosh class, they will be without a doubt the deepest team in the country come March, if thats not enough, they have POY in Simien. I dont live in Kansas, but believe me, I see every game.... this team has more potenital than Roy's 32-1 team in 1996 led by Pierce, LaFrentz, Vaughn & co.

[Nautiest_monkey]

i'm from kansas, but live in raleigh. had you paid any attention in the "Kansas" thread, you'd know this.

since i did pay attention to that thread i know that you are a bitter K-State grad that's upset that you've beaten KU exactly 1 time since the Reagan left office and still dumbfounded how KU worked over the mighty WILDCATS in football this year..... but hey, you still have your nationally ranked debate team.

maybe if you ask nice, Mitch Richmond will come back and help you cover the 40 point spread this year......

....and by the way, those seniors can play. but since you said you like sophomores better, check out JR Giddens.


Bitter K-State grad that's upset about the basketball team being horrible and the football team losing am I?
K-state student who is only still in the shit hole that is Manhattan due to family reasons. as far as the basketball team, Kendra Wecker and Hegan Mahoney sat right behind me at the Bonner concert this year. I could care less about KSU athletics besides the fact my best friend was Willie the Wildcat last year.
Football season is a horrible time to be here. I hate the color purple and the only nice thing I can say is that Darren Sproles is a cool guy.

As far as your Mitch Richmond comment, how bout we bring back Askia Jones and Steve Henson why were at it.

It is not a personal attack on the Jayhawks for being KU, it is a simple fact they can't win the big one. Simien isn't a great player, no one can convince me of that. Giddens is a great player, you are right about that.

[Nautiest_monkey]

Theyve won their last two games by a combined 74 points against two teams that won game(s) in the tournament last year. Overrated?? U want them to win by 100??? :lol With their 4 extremely talented seniors and the phenomenal 4 frosh class, they will be without a doubt the deepest team in the country come March, if thats not enough, they have POY in Simien. I dont live in Kansas, but believe me, I see every game.... this team has more potenital than Roy's 32-1 team in 1996 led by Pierce, LaFrentz, Vaughn & co.


Nevada, that's stiff competition.

[seekupig]

It is not a personal attack on the Jayhawks for being KU, it is a simple fact they can't win the big one. Simien isn't a great player, no one can convince me of that. Giddens is a great player, you are right about that.
fair enough. Simien is a great player when he's healthy (that's been the problem in years past). as far as choking in the big game, there is some merit to that i guess....but i'm hoping that was a Roy problem that he took with him to UNC. last time they won the national title was the year before he got there.

[Nautiest_monkey]

Simien fits teh same mold Drew Gooden did. A big guy that was horrible his first few years and then when he got his act together they say the guy is POY material.

[seekupig]

Simien fits teh same mold Drew Gooden did. A big guy that was horrible his first few years and then when he got his act together they say the guy is POY material.


COLLEGE CAREER:
Finished his three-year career at Kansas as only the second player (Danny Manning) to record at least 1,500 points, 900 rebounds, 100 blocks and 100 steals…averaged 15.6 points, 9.2 rebounds, 1.1 blocks and 1.1 steals in 98 games as a Jayhawk…named First Team All-America by the Associated Press, Sporting News, and Basketball Times…was also named Big XII Conference Player of the Year (AP and coaches)…named NABC Co-National Player of the Year, Basketball America Player of the Year and NCAA Midwest Regional Most Outstanding Player…also named Big XII All-Defensive Team, ESPN The Magazine’s Power Forward of the Year and Pete Newell Big Man of the Year…led Kansas to the Final Four as a junior, averaging 19.8 points (first in the Big XII) and 11.4 rebounds (fourth in the nation)…set a team and Big XII single-season record with 25 double-doubles as a junior…his 734 points and 423 rebounds rank him sixth and second, respectively, on Kansas’ single-season lists…led the Jayhawks in scoring 20 times and in rebounding on 28 occasons in 37 games…as a sophomore was named First Team All-Big XII by AP and Second Team All-Big XII by the coaches…led Kansas in scoring (15.8) and rebounding (8.4)…was named Honorable Mention All-Big XII by AP as a freshman…led Kansas in rebounding with 7.5 per game…recorded a Kansas freshman record nine double-doubles…earned Most Outstanding Player honors at the Great Alaska Shootout.

if you managed to read through this, you'll see that Drew Gooden was anything but "horrible his first few years"

[Nautiest_monkey]

Drew Gooden wasn't a good player. His fundamentals were all screwed up. He fucked up something easy in every game I could watch.

[watchtower41]

Nevada, that's stiff competition.


The Wolfpack were a Sweet 16 team last year that lost to GaTech by 5 points. Also beat Kansas at their house last year, hardly a pushover. Arguing with a Wildcat fan??? I thought u guys gave up on hoops a long time ago..... stick with the agriculture scene. The Wildcats were sooooooooo close last year too, only by 3 points.... ahhh, the streak continues. 28 STRAIGHT. 21 STRAIGHT in Manhattan. :lol I suggest a move to D2. Witchita State could use a few more wins.

[Nautiest_monkey]

The Wolfpack were a Sweet 16 team last year that lost to GaTech by 5 points. Also beat Kansas at their house last year, hardly a pushover. Arguing with a Wildcat fan??? I thought u guys gave up on hoops a long time ago..... stick with the agriculture scene. The Wildcats were sooooooooo close last year too, only by 3 points.... ahhh, the streak continues. 28 STRAIGHT. 21 STRAIGHT in Manhattan. :lol I suggest a move to D2. Witchita State could use a few more wins.


Wildcat Fan??? Did you not read my posts before you wrote this?

[watchtower41]

COLLEGE CAREER:
Finished his three-year career at Kansas as only the second player (Danny Manning) to record at least 1,500 points, 900 rebounds, 100 blocks and 100 steals…averaged 15.6 points, 9.2 rebounds, 1.1 blocks and 1.1 steals in 98 games as a Jayhawk…named First Team All-America by the Associated Press, Sporting News, and Basketball Times…was also named Big XII Conference Player of the Year (AP and coaches)…named NABC Co-National Player of the Year, Basketball America Player of the Year and NCAA Midwest Regional Most Outstanding Player…also named Big XII All-Defensive Team, ESPN The Magazine’s Power Forward of the Year and Pete Newell Big Man of the Year…led Kansas to the Final Four as a junior, averaging 19.8 points (first in the Big XII) and 11.4 rebounds (fourth in the nation)…set a team and Big XII single-season record with 25 double-doubles as a junior…his 734 points and 423 rebounds rank him sixth and second, respectively, on Kansas’ single-season lists…led the Jayhawks in scoring 20 times and in rebounding on 28 occasons in 37 games…as a sophomore was named First Team All-Big XII by AP and Second Team All-Big XII by the coaches…led Kansas in scoring (15.8) and rebounding (8.4)…was named Honorable Mention All-Big XII by AP as a freshman…led Kansas in rebounding with 7.5 per game…recorded a Kansas freshman record nine double-doubles…earned Most Outstanding Player honors at the Great Alaska Shootout.

if you managed to read through this, you'll see that Drew Gooden was anything but "horrible his first few years"



beat me to the punch.... the scary thing is Simien is twice the player that Gooden was.... and yes, the injuries, all in the past.... Roy did not condition him right after the first injury. I wonder if monkey here has ever even watched a Big XII game let alone college hoops. No, I didnt see your disclaimer post, honestly I dont care.... you have yet to make one valid point in this convo.

[seekupig]

Drew Gooden wasn't a good player. His fundamentals were all screwed up. He fucked up something easy in every game I could watch.
:lol

[Nautiest_monkey]

Choke anyone?

See you guys are teh fans I hate. I got in here and gave my opinion, I think KU is overrated. I do have some validity to my arguement as I get them shoved down my throat everyday.
Where's a national title? That's right Larry has it with him up there in Detroit. I wasn't attacking you, don't attack me.
I do not think Simien is a good player at all. The fouls, the injuries, that's enough for me to form that opinion.
I watch more Big 12 games than you can imagine, but again a personal attack about my opinion.

I guess they are like assholes, yours is pretty strong.

[seekupig]

Choke anyone?

See you guys are teh fans I hate. I got in here and gave my opinion, I think KU is overrated. I do have some validity to my arguement as I get them shoved down my throat everyday.
Where's a national title? That's right Larry has it with him up there in Detroit. I wasn't attacking you, don't attack me.
I do not think Simien is a good player at all. The fouls, the injuries, that's enough for me to form that opinion.
I watch more Big 12 games than you can imagine, but again a personal attack about my opinion.

I guess they are like assholes, yours is pretty strong.
i'm sorry if i hurt your feelings.

you gave your opinion with out anything to back it up. you're entitled to do this, but you must expect for people that argue with facts to chew you up, shit you out, and then eat said feces off of the ground.

have a nice day.:)

[Nautiest_monkey]

Do you have to have facts to have an opinion???

My feelings weren't hurt at all in fact I find it rather funny that there were two KU fans talking about K-State in a thread about the preseason poll. In fact one of them was teh one to bring them up.

[seekupig]

Do you have to have facts to have an opinion???

My feelings weren't hurt at all in fact I find it rather funny that there were two KU fans talking about K-State in a thread about the preseason poll. In fact one of them was teh one to bring them up.
no, i suppose you don't. it helps when you want to back that opinion up though. and k-state wasn't mentioned for their basketball prowess, simply as a way of trying to understand your "opinion". you living in the Little Apple of Manhattan, KS seemed relevant when trying to make sense of the smell that was seeping through my computer screen (DISCLAIMER: THAT WAS NOT A PERSONAL ATTACK!)

[Nautiest_monkey]

I never accused you of a personal attack. you should call someone about that smell coming from your computer, it can't be good.

[RJ2kWJ]

All of you all suck. <--- only opinion that counts. :D

[Nautiest_monkey]

see theres no facts for that! :)

[seekupig]

see theres no facts for that! :)
alright, let's agree to disagree. you think KU is overrated .... i don't.

[haildmb]

my opinion: Kansas is not overrated

fact to back it: Kansas isn't rated more than they deserve to be

Does the fact that they're rated highly mean they'll win it all this year? No. If they don't win it all, does it mean they were overrated? No.

Now, let's talk about a team that will win it all. Wake Forest plays tonight...

[IlliniGal]

Wake Forest plays tonight...
should be an excellent game.

[haildmb]

should be an excellent game.


I'm looking forward to it :)

[RJ2kWJ]

I'm looking forward to it :)
Only game ill root for WF. :D

[haildmb]

Only game ill root for WF. :D


ahhh, I root for them always, except when they play ACC teams I like more :D

[watchtower41]

Choke anyone?

See you guys are teh fans I hate. I got in here and gave my opinion, I think KU is overrated. I do have some validity to my arguement as I get them shoved down my throat everyday.
Where's a national title? That's right Larry has it with him up there in Detroit. I wasn't attacking you, don't attack me.
I do not think Simien is a good player at all. The fouls, the injuries, that's enough for me to form that opinion.
I watch more Big 12 games than you can imagine, but again a personal attack about my opinion.

I guess they are like assholes, yours is pretty strong.



1. please show me where you state your validity, everything you have posted here, imo, IS opinion.....the thing I love most about this country, I can disagree with your opinion, especially by backing them with facts. The numbers don't lie. Deal with it.
2. this year's team has not had a chance to win the national title, as they have only played 3 games. All 3 of which they won.....you could have said they were overrated in the past, that statement would have held more truth than opinion.
3. You can think Simien sucks, thats fine with me.... the pro team that takes him in the top 5 of next year's draft would certainly disagree with you as well.
4. I stated that I dont think you watched college hoops based off your claims, I dont see how that is a personal attack on you.
5. "I guess they are like assholes, yours is pretty strong." Ok, umm :ugh: I admit mine is strong, but who is "they"..... unfair comparision :lol

[Nautiest_monkey]

1. please show me where you state your validity, everything you have posted here, imo, IS opinion.....the thing I love most about this country, I can disagree with your opinion, especially by backing them with facts. The numbers don't lie. Deal with it.
2. this year's team has not had a chance to win the national title, as they have only played 3 games. All 3 of which they won.....you could have said they were overrated in the past, that statement would have held more truth than opinion.
3. You can think Simien sucks, thats fine with me.... the pro team that takes him in the top 5 of next year's draft would certainly disagree with you as well.
4. I stated that I dont think you watched college hoops based off your claims, I dont see how that is a personal attack on you.
5. "I guess they are like assholes, yours is pretty strong." Ok, umm :ugh: I admit mine is strong, but who is "they"..... unfair comparision :lol


You maybe a little late. As for "They" = opinions.

[RJ2kWJ]

Wakes gettin FU*KED up.

[IlliniGal]

god damn. i thought wake was supposed to be good or something? ;)

[RJ2kWJ]

god damn. i thought wake was supposed to be good or something? ;)
Frickin seriously hahaha.

[haildmb]

this is hideous

[watchtower41]

Dee Brown is making Paul and Gray look like a couple of JUCO walk-ons. I dont care where this game is, no question who the best guard is on the court. Should be interesting to see what Wake does here in the 2nd half...cup check time.

[RJ2kWJ]

Wellllllll that was a destruction.

[UNC41]

Kansas fans will proclaim they should be number one now, but after that schlacking I don't think there is any reason why it shouldn't be Illinois.

[dmb1spe]

Let's go Wake... prove me right about you being overrated choke artists.

[UNC41]

As much as I didn't like to see Carolina struggle on the road tonight it was good to see they can come together and win a game when playing poorly.

Indiana's fans were terrible. Booing Sean May was one thing, but they got pretty riduculous with some of the stuff. The worst, however, was cheering when Felton came up limping late in the game. That is absolutely classless and should be condoned in no situation.

[Gregb486]

gdub wooped up on some shitty as team tonight, fun game....itll be nice to kick Mich States ass on saturday, following by a wooping of Maryland's ass on sunday....goooooo GW!!!

[seekupig]

Kansas fans will proclaim they should be number one now, but after that schlacking I don't think there is any reason why it shouldn't be Illinois.
might be true, now we just need to figure out if Illinois is that good or if Wake just wasn't as good as advertised. probably a little of both.

[UNC41]

might be true, now we just need to figure out if Illinois is that good or if Wake just wasn't as good as advertised. probably a little of both.

It is so early in the season I don't think it will tell much about the long run, especially with Wake.

[seekupig]

It is so early in the season I don't think it will tell much about the long run, especially with Wake.
the thing that made me happiest about that game wasn't KU probably going back to #1, but it reaffirmed my belief in Bill Self's ability to recruit.

[UNC41]

the thing that made me happiest about that game wasn't KU probably going back to #1, but it reaffirmed my belief in Bill Self's ability to recruit.

Were you watching the UNC game when Dickey V was talking about how Roy had gotten highly touted Tyler Hansborough over Kansas, but then went on to say how Self plucked a stud from Illinois that would have probably played for the Illini if he were still there.

[seekupig]

Were you watching the UNC game when Dickey V was talking about how Roy had gotten highly touted Tyler Hansborough over Kansas, but then went on to say how Self plucked a stud from Illinois that would have probably played for the Illini if he were still there.
no, i was playing in poker tournament last night at a sports bar, was watching but couldn't hear much. KU and UNC are already being projected as top three recruiting classes next year along with Duke. I did notice though, that Jerod Hasse (the #2 guard with Vaughn, Pierce, LaFrentz, Pollard) is an assistant to Roy at UNC now though.

[RJ2kWJ]

no, i was playing in poker tournament last night at a sports bar, was watching but couldn't hear much. KU and UNC are already being projected as top three recruiting classes next year along with Duke. I did notice though, that Jerod Hasse (the #2 guard with Vaughn, Pierce, LaFrentz, Pollard) is an assistant to Roy at UNC now though.
Dukes always a crazy recruiting team. I mean this year they would be INSANE if the recruits didnt go to the NBA instead haha.

[IlliniGal]

i'm still amazed that self built this team and then left it. i don't suppose it makes a difference, seeing where he is now, but when he talked about leaving, we never thought he'd actually do it.

[UNC41]

Dukes always a crazy recruiting team. I mean this year they would be INSANE if the recruits didnt go to the NBA instead haha.

Yeah Livingston is going to be a stud in the long run and Deng was solid? My only question is why did Deng pick up a consistent 3-point shot after he left college and not before hand.

[RJ2kWJ]

Yeah Livingston is going to be a stud in the long run and Deng was solid? My only question is why did Deng pick up a consistent 3-point shot after he left college and not before hand.
I dunno but he was a REDICULOUS all around player.

And yea Livingston leaving was bad too.

If we had kept those two we would have been SCARY this year.

[seekupig]

i'm still amazed that self built this team and then left it. i don't suppose it makes a difference, seeing where he is now, but when he talked about leaving, we never thought he'd actually do it.
i hear ya on that one.

[UNC41]

I dunno but he was a REDICULOUS all around player.

And yea Livingston leaving was bad too.

If we had kept those two we would have been SCARY this year.

As talented as those two are I think Duke will miss the depth they would have provided more than their talent alone.

[watchtower41]

Classic moment last night when Chris Fowler ripped Jay Bilas immediately after the game about the comment that Deron Williams wouldnt be a top 10 player in the ACC.

After watching such an impressive game from the Illini last night, I expect them to be No1 in ESPN poll, KU No.1 in the AP.....which is fine by me, I really could care less about the No.1 ranking right now, the Jayahwks were pre-season #1 in both and they havent lost...that's good enough for me. Wake, on the other hand, I'd drop out of the Top 10....to get housed like that with the No 1 ranking, makes embarassing seem like a severe understatement. Some teams cant bounce back from such a thing.

I'd really like to see an Illinois/Kansas re-run matchup from a couple years back.... Dee Brown without a doubt is quicker than Miles, however Augustine is no matchup for Simien. Luther Head/JR Giddens, certainly a matchup worth paying to see.

Bill Self can recruit his ass off, no doubt, he built that Illinois team that we all saw last night.... he left because coaching at Kansas was truly a dream for him, he's a Big XII guy w/ his OkSt roots....and as a coach, unlike Roy, heralded the reigns at Knasas at the top job in the nation. Respek.

[UNC41]

Bill Self can recruit his ass off, no doubt, he built that Illinois team that we all saw last night.... he left because coaching at Kansas was truly a dream for him, he's a Big XII guy w/ his OkSt roots....and as a coach, unlike Roy, heralded the reigns at Knasas at the top job in the nation. Respek.

Isn't it funny how Kansas fans love that Self returned to his roots in the Big 12 to take his dream job, but chastized Roy when he returned to his roots to take his dream job at UNC.

[seekupig]

Isn't it funny how Kansas fans love that Self returned to his roots in the Big 12 to take his dream job, but chastized Roy when he returned to his roots to take his dream job at UNC.
i for one never chastized Roy for leaving. i wasn't happy about, but i understood why he did it.

[UNC41]

i for one never chastized Roy for leaving. i wasn't happy about, but i understood why he did it.

You are in the minority then.

[AntzMarchin]

Cuse next stop. . . St. Louis baby!!!!

[seekupig]

You are in the minority then.
i live in NC, so i was able to see it from the other side.

[haildmb]

I don't like carolina, but it sure is nice to watch an ACC team dismantle kentucky. pussycats can't hang

[dmb1spe]

Kentucky played like shit but lest we forget the men in the black and white shirts dictated this game. Carolina shot 40 freethrows to UK's 16. 31 fouls were called on Kentucky and only 16 on NC. I'm not saying the game would have been decided any differently, but I think it's rediculous that there was that blatant a discrepancy.

[TwoStepFF]

Kentucky played like shit but lest we forget the men in the black and white shirts dictated this game. Carolina shot 40 freethrows to UK's 16. 31 fouls were called on Kentucky and only 16 on NC. I'm not saying the game would have been decided any differently, but I think it's rediculous that there was that blatant a discrepancy.
Ashley Judd is hot!

[bustdstuff]

Kentucky played like shit but lest we forget the men in the black and white shirts dictated this game. Carolina shot 40 freethrows to UK's 16. 31 fouls were called on Kentucky and only 16 on NC. I'm not saying the game would have been decided any differently, but I think it's rediculous that there was that blatant a discrepancy.


Now you know how I felt last tourney vs. UCONN. At least it won't end up counting to heavily since it's very early in the season. UK is gonna be just fine right now they just need to mature and gel as a team. On the flip side of that game gotta wonder how long that wrist is going to bother Felton. If it takes a while they could have problems, but still looked really good today.




On another note the Duke/Valpo game just got over. I know this a cake game, but how is Valpo so bad that they get beat by 31 at HOME? They used to be a respectable team.

[haildmb]

On another note the Duke/Valpo game just got over. I know this a cake game, but how is Valpo so bad that they get beat by 31 at HOME? They used to be a respectable team.


No they weren't. They had one shining moment in the NCAA tourny a few years ago, but it wasn't like anyone had heard of them before that.

[bustdstuff]

No they weren't. They had one shining moment in the NCAA tourny a few years ago, but it wasn't like anyone had heard of them before that.


I didn't say they used to be GOOD just respectable. They would at least put up a good fight. Now they got nothing.




Edit: Va Tech just beat Miami in Miami.

[dmb1spe]

Valpo wasn't at home... it was a neutral court in Chicago. United Center maybe? Regardless, Valpo usually is a solid mid major team and almost always has 20+ wins every year. They just normally don't play the Dukes of the world to get to said 20+ wins.

And as for Kentucky, the fact that they played so bad and still only lost by about 12 is of some comfort. Once Tubby gets these guys in gear and March rolls around the Cats will be a legitmate championship team.

[bustdstuff]

Valpo wasn't at home... it was a neutral court in Chicago. United Center maybe?

Ah ha. Didn't pay attention to that. I was watching the UK/UNC game. Only watched the end of it (knowing it wasn't going to be competitive). Thanks for setting me straight. That makes me want to stick up for Valpo a little, Duke usually plays very, very well on nuetral courts. I think UK will be a 4 seed or better come March.



P.S. Tobacco Alley is gonna be a blast to watch this season (UK included in that statement)

[dmb1spe]

I think Carolina is a top 3 team but let's be honest... if they play away from the Dean Dome today Kentucky beats them by double digits. UNC is playing really well... but Roy Williams has notoriously done less with more as did Dean Smith at UNC. I'm not worried at all about Carolina making a serious title run.

Duke on the other hand I'm concerned with. I get to see them live when they play here at Maryland in January. Should be a great game.

[RJ2kWJ]

P.S. Tobacco Alley is gonna be a blast to watch this season (UK included in that statement)
Cant wait for it :D

[dmb1spe]

In hindsight I wish UK would have explored joining the ACC. Can you imagine if BC had been left out and UK went in? Hell they would be tops in football and basketball IMO.

[seekupig]

In hindsight I wish UK would have explored joining the ACC. Can you imagine if BC had been left out and UK went in? Hell they would be tops in football and basketball IMO.
ACC is already the best conference in basketball. UK joining wouldn't change that. They are not the best in football. UK in the ACC would make sure that didn't change either unless you consider the top teams getting one more cake walk every season improvement.

[Gregb486]

gdub wooped up on some shitty as team tonight, fun game....itll be nice to kick Mich States ass on saturday, following by a wooping of Maryland's ass on sunday....goooooo GW!!!we shall see the second half of this can o' woopass today....and ill be there!!!

AWWWWWWWWWW GDUB!!!

[Davenumber40]

I think Carolina is a top 3 team but let's be honest... if they play away from the Dean Dome today Kentucky beats them by double digits. UNC is playing really well... but Roy Williams has notoriously done less with more as did Dean Smith at UNC. I'm not worried at all about Carolina making a serious title run.

I don't know about it being double digits. However, UNC played a pretty good game on their home court, we played a pretty awful game, and the result was only a 13 point UNC win. I'm glad to see the freshman get their first big road game out of the way, and I think if we improve on the mistakes I saw Saturday it's going to be a great season. I think 4 seed is a little bit low. I don't think we're going to lose any more than 6 games and I think we'll be on the 2 seed/3 seed line.

[seekupig]

Associated Press Top 25No.SchoolRecordPointsPrev1Illinois (http://www.sportsline.com/collegebasketball/teams/page/IL)6-0171752Kansas (http://www.sportsline.com/collegebasketball/teams/page/KS)4-0170023Georgia Tech (http://www.sportsline.com/collegebasketball/teams/page/GATECH)5-0163244Syracuse (http://www.sportsline.com/collegebasketball/teams/page/SYR)7-0160735Oklahoma State (http://www.sportsline.com/collegebasketball/teams/page/OKST)5-0147966Wake Forest (http://www.sportsline.com/collegebasketball/teams/page/WF)6-1139717Connecticut (http://www.sportsline.com/collegebasketball/teams/page/CT)3-0138378North Carolina (http://www.sportsline.com/collegebasketball/teams/page/NC)6-1135499Duke (http://www.sportsline.com/collegebasketball/teams/page/DUKE)5-012761010Kentucky (http://www.sportsline.com/collegebasketball/teams/page/KY)4-11075811Pittsburgh (http://www.sportsline.com/collegebasketball/teams/page/PITT)5-09871312North Carolina State (http://www.sportsline.com/collegebasketball/teams/page/NCST)6-09091613Louisville (http://www.sportsline.com/collegebasketball/teams/page/LOU)4-16971714Texas (http://www.sportsline.com/collegebasketball/teams/page/TX)5-16921815Arizona (http://www.sportsline.com/collegebasketball/teams/page/AZ)5-25982116Washington (http://www.sportsline.com/collegebasketball/teams/page/WA)5-15241417Iowa (http://www.sportsline.com/collegebasketball/teams/page/IA)6-14962318Alabama (http://www.sportsline.com/collegebasketball/teams/page/AL)6-14952219Virginia (http://www.sportsline.com/collegebasketball/teams/page/VA)6-04812420Michigan State (http://www.sportsline.com/collegebasketball/teams/page/MIST)4-24341121George Washington (http://www.sportsline.com/collegebasketball/teams/page/GEOWAS)5-1423_22Mississippi State (http://www.sportsline.com/collegebasketball/teams/page/MSST)6-24171523Maryland (http://www.sportsline.com/collegebasketball/teams/page/MD)4-24051224Wisconsin (http://www.sportsline.com/collegebasketball/teams/page/WI)4-13432525Gonzaga (http://www.sportsline.com/collegebasketball/teams/page/GONZAG)5-1267_




shit on again. it looks like KU will have to be the last team to lose to get their preseason #1 ranking back. it doesn't matter i guess, but it still doesn't make a lot of sense.

[Gregb486]

fuck gdub should be higher
but ill take it

[seekupig]

Associated Press Top 25No.SchoolRecordPointsPrev1Illinois (http://www.sportsline.com/collegebasketball/teams/page/IL)6-0171752Kansas (http://www.sportsline.com/collegebasketball/teams/page/KS)4-0170023Georgia Tech (http://www.sportsline.com/collegebasketball/teams/page/GATECH)5-0163244Syracuse (http://www.sportsline.com/collegebasketball/teams/page/SYR)7-0160735Oklahoma State (http://www.sportsline.com/collegebasketball/teams/page/OKST)5-0147966Wake Forest (http://www.sportsline.com/collegebasketball/teams/page/WF)6-1139717Connecticut (http://www.sportsline.com/collegebasketball/teams/page/CT)3-0138378North Carolina (http://www.sportsline.com/collegebasketball/teams/page/NC)6-1135499Duke (http://www.sportsline.com/collegebasketball/teams/page/DUKE)5-012761010Kentucky (http://www.sportsline.com/collegebasketball/teams/page/KY)4-11075811Pittsburgh (http://www.sportsline.com/collegebasketball/teams/page/PITT)5-09871312North Carolina State (http://www.sportsline.com/collegebasketball/teams/page/NCST)6-09091613Louisville (http://www.sportsline.com/collegebasketball/teams/page/LOU)4-16971714Texas (http://www.sportsline.com/collegebasketball/teams/page/TX)5-16921815Arizona (http://www.sportsline.com/collegebasketball/teams/page/AZ)5-25982116Washington (http://www.sportsline.com/collegebasketball/teams/page/WA)5-15241417Iowa (http://www.sportsline.com/collegebasketball/teams/page/IA)6-14962318Alabama (http://www.sportsline.com/collegebasketball/teams/page/AL)6-14952219Virginia (http://www.sportsline.com/collegebasketball/teams/page/VA)6-04812420Michigan State (http://www.sportsline.com/collegebasketball/teams/page/MIST)4-24341121George Washington (http://www.sportsline.com/collegebasketball/teams/page/GEOWAS)5-1423_22Mississippi State (http://www.sportsline.com/collegebasketball/teams/page/MSST)6-24171523Maryland (http://www.sportsline.com/collegebasketball/teams/page/MD)4-24051224Wisconsin (http://www.sportsline.com/collegebasketball/teams/page/WI)4-13432525Gonzaga (http://www.sportsline.com/collegebasketball/teams/page/GONZAG)5-1267_




shit on again. it looks like KU will have to be the last team to lose to get their preseason #1 ranking back. it doesn't matter i guess, but it still doesn't make a lot of sense.
sorry, that didn't paste right.

Illinois
Kansas
Georgia Tech
Syracuse
Oklahoma St.
Wake Forest
UConn
UNC
Duke
Kentucky

[seekupig]

fuck gdub should be higher
but ill take it
they looked great this weekend, wouldn't want to play them in the tourney...

[haildmb]

sorry, that didn't paste right.

Illinois
Kansas
Georgia Tech
Syracuse
Oklahoma St.
Wake Forest
UConn
UNC
Duke
Kentucky


Alright... so 1 loss UNC jumps ahead of no-loss Duke...

Okay yeah that makes sense :confused:

[Gregb486]

colonials are the st joes of last year. except i think they are better than st joes was. the difference is that st joes didn't have to play wake to open the season.

[haildmb]

colonials are the st joes of last year. except i think they are better than st joes was. the difference is that st joes didn't have to play wake to open the season.


Uh, we'll see. I doubt that.

[UNC41]

shit on again. it looks like KU will have to be the last team to lose to get their preseason #1 ranking back. it doesn't matter i guess, but it still doesn't make a lot of sense.

KU didn't get shit on becaue they didn't deserve to be ranked #1 this week. They haven't played a real good team yet. Meanwhile, Illinois dismantled the top team in the nation and was ranked only one spot below KU going into the game. They showed voters why they deserve to be number one. KU did not do anything to show they don't deserve the ranking, but Illinois showed that they do.

[seekupig]

KU didn't get shit on becaue they didn't deserve to be ranked #1 this week. They haven't played a real good team yet. Meanwhile, Illinois dismantled the top team in the nation and was ranked only one spot below KU going into the game. They showed voters why they deserve to be number one. KU did not do anything to show they don't deserve the ranking, but Illinois showed that they do.
i see your point, but this is the AP poll. they were ranked #5 last week, and jumped KU, Georgia Tech, and Syracuse who are all undefeated. i know they beat a good team, but no one wants to consider that maybe Wake was a tad bit overhyped to start the season. i expect this from the ESPN poll, but not the AP.

[mray10]

i see your point, but this is the AP poll. they were ranked #5 last week, and jumped KU, Georgia Tech, and Syracuse who are all undefeated. i know they beat a good team, but no one wants to consider that maybe Wake was a tad bit overhyped to start the season. i expect this from the ESPN poll, but not the AP.

That's odd. I expect irrational voting from the AP (i.e., sportwriters) more than from anyone else.

[Gregb486]

The Colonials do have a few potential hurdles coming up, with games at St. Francis (Pa.), Florida International and West Virginia. The trip to Morgantown is a rugged road game with the Big East-sleeper Mountaineers, who have already won at LSU. If GW can escape those games unscathed, with the way the A-10 looks, the Colonials could be a top 10 team at some point this season.

from andy katz's article on espn.com

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/columns/story?columnist=katz_andy&id=1939448

i suggest you all take a read....we're also his team of the week
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/index#

[mray10]

Thank the heavens! USC fired Henry Bibby this morning.

It is safe to watch PAC10 basketball without fear of retinal damage once again.

[seekupig]

Thank the heavens! USC fired Henry Bibby this morning.

It is safe to watch PAC10 basketball without fear of retinal damage once again.
other than Arizona, watching PAC 10 basketball still gives me retinal damage.

[mray10]

other than Arizona

I have no problem with that answer.

[UNC41]

other than Arizona, watching PAC 10 basketball still gives me retinal damage.

Have you ever seen Nate Robinson play? He is one of the, if not the, most exciting players in college basketball right now.

[seekupig]

Have you ever seen Nate Robinson play? He is one of the, if not the, most exciting players in college basketball right now.
yes, i'd forgotten about him. can't wait to watch them play NC State in a couple of weeks.

[haildmb]

yes, i'd forgotten about him. can't wait to watch them play NC State in a couple of weeks.

:thumbsup indeed. The game against them last year at RBC was lots of fun, Robinson had one of the best dunks I've ever seen.

[watchtower41]

Syracuse/Oklahoma St should be a good watch tonight on a neutral court......Syracuse has already been tested obviously with the pre-season NIT, I'm anxious to see what the Cowboys are made of this year.....

[seekupig]

:thumbsup

very excited about this one. curious to see if Jameson Curry is as good as advertised when UNC was recruiting him before he got busted for selling blunts to an undercover cop in high school. if everything holds to form, the winner of this game should jump to #1 in the polls next week.

[haildmb]

if everything holds to form, the winner of this game should jump to #1 in the polls next week.

:lol

[twosteppn36]

Syracuse/Oklahoma St should be a good watch tonight on a neutral court......Syracuse has already been tested obviously with the pre-season NIT, I'm anxious to see what the Cowboys are made of this year.....


:thumbsup oklahoma st is gonna be tough, but i think we can hold em off. it is a neutral court, but its also syracuse's "home away from home," so the crowd will help

[bustdstuff]

Every time I see a speech from Jimmy V I can't help but feel a tug at the heart. It's great to see the level of basketball played every year at this event, but it's really awesome that the college basketball community has followed through with their promise to the man. To many times men like him end up forgotten.

[haildmb]

I like Jimmy V, still I get a bit tired of hearing that speech... it's even worse down here, you can't walk through campus during basketball season without hearing that speech :lol I kid I kid, but there is even more saturation of it here.

[bustdstuff]

I guess I don't here it much down here. I guess what I wanted to get across was that it's good to see that this wasn't an arbitrary promise that died out. It happens too many times that when a great person dies it becomes "the cause of the season".

[seekupig]

that might have been the sloppiest basketball game i've seen in a long time. Jameson Curry looked good at times, needs to become more consistent. the 2-3 zone may have had a lot to do with that though. looks like the Big 12 will have a couple of legitimate contenders this year.

Jayhawks get TCU tomorrow night on ESPN, that game scares me for some reason.

[twosteppn36]

that might have been the sloppiest basketball game i've seen in a long time. Jameson Curry looked good at times, needs to become more consistent. the 2-3 zone may have had a lot to do with that though. looks like the Big 12 will have a couple of legitimate contenders this year.


:thumbsup

no offense to oklahoma st, they deserved to win this game, but syracuse beat themselves. theres a reason why free throws are free, but apparently syracuse didnt get the memo on that one :lol. curry surprised the hell out of me, i knew he was going to be good off the bench, but not that good. overall sloppy, but good game. i guess thats early season college basketball for ya

[Holemandaddy]

that might have been the sloppiest basketball game i've seen in a long time. Jameson Curry looked good at times, needs to become more consistent. the 2-3 zone may have had a lot to do with that though. looks like the Big 12 will have a couple of legitimate contenders this year.

Jayhawks get TCU tomorrow night on ESPN, that game scares me for some reason.
for us to pull away like that against a great 2-3 tells you how good our team is. our leadin scorer didn't have a single point until 6 minutes left in the game. there was a stretch when our potential all american 1st round NBA draft pick, was on the bench for a solid 8 minutes while his twin brother mopped up. SU is a good team, we were better

[seekupig]

:thumbsup

no offense to oklahoma st, they deserved to win this game, but syracuse beat themselves. theres a reason why free throws are free, but apparently syracuse didnt get the memo on that one :lol.
you're preachin' to the choir on that one brother. kinda looked like the Syracuse/Kansas National Championship game didn't it?;)

[twosteppn36]

you're preachin' to the choir on that one brother. kinda looked like the Syracuse/Kansas National Championship game didn't it?;)


:lol you got that right

you know what made it look more like the su/kansas game?

when gmac knocked down those 3's at the end :p (even though it didnt matter at that point)

:lol

[seekupig]

:lol you got that right

you know what made it look more like the su/kansas game?

when gmac knocked down those 3's at the end :p (even though it didnt matter at that point)

:lol
except for he made all of his 3's in the first half against KU. there's nothing more frustrating than watching your team play their worst game of the year and losing by a basket in the national championship game.

Syracuse 2002/2003, National Champs and Big 12 Champs.
beat Texas, Oklahoma, and Kansas their last 3 games to win it all.
I HATE ZONE DEFENSES!!!!

[bustdstuff]

I'm stunned. That doesn't happen much either. But anyways, I just tuned into SC in time to see the Top 10. And what do I see? UMASS beat UCONN tonight. What!! WOW! We all knew that UCONN was going to fall off a little (who doesn't after losing Butler and then Okafor), but damn UMASS. WOW.

[Davenumber40]

I really wish I wouldn't have written this game off and would have watched it.

[bustdstuff]

I didn't get it down here (obviously), but on SC it showed that it was a last second basket that won it for UMASS, and UCONN had one last chance to tie it up that didn't go.

[Davenumber40]

I thought it was on ESPN or ESPN 2 tonight. Maybe it was Fox Sports Atlantic.

[bustdstuff]

Oh damn it was ESPN2. I didn't even look because I thought it wouldn't be national, and it's thursday. And that means CSI and ER. What am I talking about. I wouldn't have watched that game, it should have been a blowout. This is the first time UMASS has won in the last 14 meetings.






Edit: Does anyone think the mods would rename the thread for us? Would stop someone else from starting another NCAA thread. After all this is apparently where we'll be headed for the rest of the season.

[seekupig]

[QUOTE=bustdstuff
Edit: Does anyone think the mods would rename the thread for us? Would stop someone else from starting another NCAA thread. After all this is apparently where we'll be headed for the rest of the season.[/QUOTE]
i thought about that too. someone did try to start a NCAA basketball 04/05 thread the other day and got lit up for it by some people though. this ones fine with me, but the preseason part in the title might mislead people who actually do a search and want to discuss current basketball.

on to a different subject............. ROCK CHALK JAYHAWK!!! played like shit in the first half, but got the job done. three more cupcakes until Georgia Tech comes calling on New Years Day. THAT will be a good game.

[haildmb]

not to mention, I made this thread in regards to the preseason poll... last year :)

[watchtower41]

yes, but all the true College hoops aficionados know where the action is.... this is our corner tavern. Granted the thread title throws many people off, but lets be honest we dont want them here anyways..... I kid I kid....

Anyways, that UMASS finish last night had to be the most hilarious thing Ive ever seen in college hoops.... what the hell was that Minuteman thinking after what turned out to be the game winning shot, runninng over to the bench and moshing with his teammates with still 8 seconds left on the clock........ cripes sake man, act like youve won a damn game before. I dont care what kinda of shot that kid hit, I'd bench his ass for crap like that..... think defense before highlight reel once.... unreal



Other than that, watched the Illini and Jayhawks last night, both continued to look very impressive....against very average teams. I really like how this Illinois team can just flip the switch and just start hitting every shot they take, and again Brown's speed and leadership he has taken on is quite encouraging, but then again...I'm not sold on their inside game with Augustine......Simien would have a field day against him. JR Giddens is the best talent at Kansas since Paul Pierce.....SELFishness hopes he sticks around for at least one more, but he's a Top 5 right now imo.... unbelieveable talent. For you, seekuppig :multi

[seekupig]

Giddens is a great college player, but he's not ready for the NBA. he can't really get to the baket without a screen or going back door and he's still a spot shooter, can't pull up and shoot off the dribble well yet. his game works well in that system, but i don't think we've seen the tip of what he's capable of yet which is kind of scary.

what about Moody going Pistol Pete for us last night, that was funny as hell.

i can't wait to see Wayne Simien post up Nicole Kidman when GT and KU play on new years day.

[bustdstuff]

yes, but all the true College hoops aficionados know where the action is.... this is our corner tavern. Granted the thread title throws many people off, but lets be honest we dont want them here anyways..... I kid I kid....

Anyways, that UMASS finish last night had to be the most hilarious thing Ive ever seen in college hoops.... what the hell was that Minuteman thinking after what turned out to be the game winning shot, runninng over to the bench and moshing with his teammates with still 8 seconds left on the clock........ cripes sake man, act like youve won a damn game before. I dont care what kinda of shot that kid hit, I'd bench his ass for crap like that..... think defense before highlight reel once.... unreal



Other than that, watched the Illini and Jayhawks last night, both continued to look very impressive....against very average teams. I really like how this Illinois team can just flip the switch and just start hitting every shot they take, and again Brown's speed and leadership he has taken on is quite encouraging, but then again...I'm not sold on their inside game with Augustine......Simien would have a field day against him. JR Giddens is the best talent at Kansas since Paul Pierce.....SELFishness hopes he sticks around for at least one more, but he's a Top 5 right now imo.... unbelieveable talent. For you, seekuppig :multi



To the first part you're probably right. The true fans know where to come to actually talk bball, and not just about thier team.

About the Minutemen. Cut them a little slack. They hadn't beat the Huskies since 1983. If I were one of them I would have been going pretty crazy then too.



As for the Illini they could be the opposite of some teams that we've been talking about (UK, UNC, Duke). They could be peaking early, as where we've been saying some teams need some time to gel. I'm not getting down on them, but there's something to say for peaking at the right time. IMO Wake and Kansas might be the only teams that keep it up for the entire season plus tourney. However it would be a very nice suprise to see Illinois to keep it up all the way through.



P.S. Great pic. To bad he couldn't have been "posterizing' someone for that one.

[seekupig]

About the Minutemen. Cut them a little slack. They hadn't beat the Huskies since 1983. If I were one of them I would have been going pretty crazy then too.


when the guy hit the game winning shot, he ran and jumped on his bench, there was still 4 or 5 seconds left and UConn was running down the court with ball to try for the game winner. i'm all about celebrating, but wait till the game's over. how stupid would he look if UConn nailed a three pointer in a 5 on 4 break and stole the game?

.....thanks for your kind words about the Jayhawks, maybe you Dukies aren't that obnoxious after all.;)

[bustdstuff]

.....thanks for your kind words about the Jayhawks, maybe you Dukies aren't that obnoxious after all.;)

We're not obnoxious just confident. All most people see is the Cameron Crazies, but they're suposed to act that way. ;)

[seekupig]

We're not obnoxious just confident. All most people see is the Cameron Crazies, but they're suposed to act that way. ;)
i see the locals, that's where my obnoxious statement came from. UNC fans might be worse though, i'll have to give it some thought. I think more than anything it's hard being a Kansas fan in the middle of tobacco road........... we get no love up here.

[bustdstuff]

i see the locals, that's where my obnoxious statement came from. UNC fans might be worse though, i'll have to give it some thought. I think more than anything it's hard being a Kansas fan in the middle of tobacco road........... we get no love up here.


Come on if you were from there would you really want to accept that there was basketball outside of the eastern seaboard.

[seekupig]

6-0
won by 45 tonite. waiting to play a ranked team to see how good they really are.

[bustdstuff]

Kansas did look exceptional last night.

Just to put it out there. Tonight Coach K is going for his 700th win. Toledo shouldn't be a problem. It will be on Fox Sports or in FL the Sunshine network.

[RJ2kWJ]

Kansas did look exceptional last night.

Just to put it out there. Tonight Coach K is going for his 700th win. Toledo shouldn't be a problem. It will be on Fox Sports or in FL the Sunshine network.
Helllzzzzz yeaaaaaaaaaa. :D

[Hoppytoad]

As for the Illini they could be the opposite of some teams that we've been talking about (UK, UNC, Duke). They could be peaking early, as where we've been saying some teams need some time to gel. I'm not getting down on them, but there's something to say for peaking at the right time. IMO Wake and Kansas might be the only teams that keep it up for the entire season plus tourney. However it would be a very nice suprise to see Illinois to keep it up all the way through.


Take into consideration that the five starters (and a few off the bench) are all back from last year. Perhaps they are not peeking early, but instead ramping upward from last year.

[bustdstuff]

Take into consideration that the five starters (and a few off the bench) are all back from last year. Perhaps they are not peeking early, but instead ramping upward from last year.


That's al good but this Illini team doesn't have anyone that has made a deep run in the tourney. If I were an Illini fan I would worry that they won't have enough left in the tank to make a run at the Final Four. I'm not saying that they don't have a boatload of talent and ability, just have to at least wonder if they've got the endurance.

[bdb23]

That's al good but this Illini team doesn't have anyone that has made a deep run in the tourney. If I were an Illini fan I would worry that they won't have enough left in the tank to make a run at the Final Four. I'm not saying that they don't have a boatload of talent and ability, just have to at least wonder if they've got the endurance.
:confused: :confused: One win away from the Final Four last year. Granted it was your Dukies that knocked us out, but let's be real...there's plenty of depth and staying power with these Illini. In fact, they've got the same starting line-up that got them that far last year.

[bustdstuff]

What's up Brian? The other reason i have to wonder about endurance (not talent) is, yes the Big X is going to be a pretty good conference, however as of right now the Illini only have 8 currently ranked teams on thier schedule. Now that could all change drastically, but I would like to see them have some tougher opponents at the end of the season to set them up for the conference and national tourneys.

[bdb23]

What's up Brian? The other reason i have to wonder about endurance (not talent) is, yes the Big X is going to be a pretty good conference, however as of right now the Illini only have 8 currently ranked teams on thier schedule. Now that could all change drastically, but I would like to see them have some tougher opponents at the end of the season to set them up for the conference and national tourneys.
What up??? Oh I hear ya. The Big Ten is down this year but this stretch of games (from Wake on) shows that there really isn't a let down with this team. But playing on the road in the Big Ten is just about as tough as any other conference and it will be tough to run the table.

[seekupig]

So everyone.... who's gonna be #1 this week?

Illinois - ranked #1 now, undefeated.
Kansas - preseason #1, undefeated (have been jumped twice already this season) :confused:

Oklahoma St. - beat a top 5 team this week (this formula has worked well so far this year), undefeated
Georgia Tech - highest ranked team in the ACC, undefeated
Duke - well, it's Duke.... and they're still undefeated

[seekupig]

Wake nearly lost again last night. i think and have though the Deacs are a bit over rated.

the new AP top ten.........

Illinois
Kansas
Georgia Tech
Oklahoma St.
UNC
Wake Forest
Duke
Syracuse
Kentucky
Pitt

[bdb23]

Wake nearly lost again last night. i think and have though the Deacs are a bit over rated.
I'll agree with this.

[seekupig]

why are Wake and UNC still ranked ahead of Duke? i'm not a Duke fan by any stretch of the imagination, but that is a little odd.

[UNC41]

why are Wake and UNC still ranked ahead of Duke? i'm not a Duke fan by any stretch of the imagination, but that is a little odd.

Because the people who vote in the polls believe they are a better team. Wake was so highly touted coming into the season voters are hesitant to drop them too far after a loss. Also, I don't think people are knocking Carolina for their loss to Santa Clara because they were without the glue to their team in Felton. Sure they still should have beat them, but since he returned to the lineup they have been a complete different team than the one at Santa Clara. I have read or heard many people say that Illinois and UNC appear to be the two best teams in the nation right now.

[bdb23]

Because the people who vote in the polls believe they are a better team. Wake was so highly touted coming into the season voters are hesitant to drop them too far after a loss. Also, I don't think people are knocking Carolina for their loss to Santa Clara because they were without the glue to their team in Felton. Sure they still should have beat them, but since he returned to the lineup they have been a complete different team than the one at Santa Clara. I have read or heard many people say that Illinois and UNC appear to be the two best teams in the nation right now.
They're both early #1 seeds over at ESPN.com.

[bustdstuff]

Wake nearly lost again last night. i think and have though the Deacs are a bit over rated.

I agree, but still think they'll stay in the top 10 for the majority of the season.

why are Wake and UNC still ranked ahead of Duke? i'm not a Duke fan by any stretch of the imagination, but that is a little odd.

Because although Duke has looked good so far (average margin of victory is around 30) they haven't played a decent team yet. So far all they've done is stomp all over the beginning of the season warm up teams that they were supposed to stomp on. However there is Oklahoma this week.

[bdb23]

I agree, but still think they'll stay in the top 10 for the majority of the season.



Because although Duke has looked good so far (average margin of victory is around 30) they haven't played a decent team yet. So far all they've done is stomp all over the beginning of the season warm up teams that they were supposed to stomp on. However there is Oklahoma this week.
Counting out the Flames, Steph??? ;)

[bustdstuff]

Wake nearly lost again last night. i think and have though the Deacs are a bit over rated.

I agree, but still think they'll stay in the top 10 for the majority of the season.

why are Wake and UNC still ranked ahead of Duke? i'm not a Duke fan by any stretch of the imagination, but that is a little odd.

Because although Duke has looked good so far (average margin of victory is around 30) they haven't played a decent team yet. So far all they've done is stomp all over the beginning of the season warm up teams that they were supposed to stomp on. However there is Oklahoma this week.

I have read or heard many people say that Illinois and UNC appear to be the two best teams in the nation right now.

I think Kentucky is looking poised to take a number 1 ranking real soon.

[UNC41]

I think Kentucky is looking poised to take a number 1 ranking real soon.

I wouldn't hold my breath. Illinois, Kansas, GT, Ok. St., UNC, Wake, Duke, and Syracuse would all probably have to lose for the Cats to jump to numero uno.

[bustdstuff]

I wouldn't hold my breath. Illinois, Kansas, GT, Ok. St., UNC, Wake, Duke, and Syracuse would all probably have to lose for the Cats to jump to numero uno.

I don't think all of them would have to lose, and I don't see UK doing anything to hurt themselves any time soon. I see UK just steadily climbing the polls and eventually just looking better than who happens to be at the top.

[UNC41]

I don't think all of them would have to lose, and I don't see UK doing anything to hurt themselves any time soon. I see UK just steadily climbing the polls and eventually just looking better than who happens to be at the top.

I don't understand why everyone is so high on them right now. The only good team they've played all year (UNC) destroyed them. They haven't beaten a team that will dance in March. If they can head into Louisville and take care of them on the road I'll think different, but as of now they have done nothing impressive this year.

[bdb23]

I don't understand why everyone is so high on them right now. The only good team they've played all year (UNC) destroyed them. They haven't beaten a team that will dance in March. If they can head into Louisville and take care of them on the road I'll think different, but as of now they have done nothing impressive this year.
Very true.

[UNC41]

Because although Duke has looked good so far (average margin of victory is around 30) they haven't played a decent team yet. So far all they've done is stomp all over the beginning of the season warm up teams that they were supposed to stomp on. However there is Oklahoma this week.

I am guessing you forgot about Michigan St., because if you don't think they are decent then there is very few decent teams in the country.

[bustdstuff]

I am guessing you forgot about Michigan St., because if you don't think they are decent then there is very few decent teams in the country.

Oops, yeah I did forget about the Big X/ ACC challenge. I get so used to all the Tenn. Martin, Valpo, UNC greensboro games that the Challenge slips my mind, and Duke usually pretty handily takes care of their part of it. Am I forgiven?
:o :angel

[UNC41]

Oops, yeah I did forget about the Big X/ ACC challenge. I get so used to all the Tenn. Martin, Valpo, UNC greensboro games that the Challenge slips my mind, and Duke usually pretty handily takes care of their part of it. Am I forgiven?
:o :angel

Yes, just because you are the one girl I know who knows anything, and I mean anything, about college basketball. I'll even overloook that you are a Duke fan.

[watchtower41]

I don't understand why everyone is so high on them right now. The only good team they've played all year (UNC) destroyed them. They haven't beaten a team that will dance in March. If they can head into Louisville and take care of them on the road I'll think different, but as of now they have done nothing impressive this year.



I could say the exact same thing about UNC, all they have played is this year is the overrated Wildcats team that you speak of, and at home.... after getting smacked around for the past 3 years, you'd hope the Heels could scratch at least one out..... For UNC to gain a No. 1, Illinois, Kansas, G Tech, Ok State, Duke, NC State, Wake, Syracuse and Pittsburgh would have to lose either A.) again B.) for the first time. People dont give a shit who sat out the first game, you got an ass whopping by Santa Clara. Not exactly a top 10 powerhouse. UNC would have got the same beat down that the Deacs did in that Illinois game.

[bustdstuff]

Yes, just because you are the one girl I know who knows anything, and I mean anything, about college basketball. I'll even overloook that you are a Duke fan.

At least I was on the beginning of the bandwagon. And yes I think that becoming a fan in the '89-'90 seasson is part of the bandwagon, but I was only 12.


I was just looking at the Duke schedule, and I'm starting to get super duper excited. If you were to count tonight we have 1 confernce game of the next 5, and then 13 straight conference games.:multi And you gotta love Duke/UNC to close the season out.

[UNC41]

I could say the exact same thing about UNC, all they have played is this year is the overrated Wildcats team that you speak of, and at home.... after getting smacked around for the past 3 years, you'd hope the Heels could scratch at least one out..... For UNC to gain a No. 1, Illinois, Kansas, G Tech, Ok State, Duke, NC State, Wake, Syracuse and Pittsburgh would have to lose either A.) again B.) for the first time. People dont give a shit who sat out the first game, you got an ass whopping by Santa Clara. Not exactly a top 10 powerhouse. UNC would have got the same beat down that the Deacs did in that Illinois game.

Scratch at least one out? If you call dominating Kentucky scratching one out then I suppose they did so. I never once claimed UNC would be number one anytime soon so I'm not sure why you typed that list out. Kentucky and Iowa are far better opponents than anyone Kentucky has beaten. I've read a lot of people calling Iowa the second best team in the big 10, ahead of Michigan St. But you are right, they blow. All they have done is give Louisville and Texas their lone loss this year. The only team regularly mentioned in the same breath as playing ball close to as well as Illinois right now is UNC by many sportswriters. So if UNC would have got the same beat down as Wake by Illinois than every other team in the country would have also.

[UNC41]

At least I was on the beginning of the bandwagon. And yes I think that becoming a fan in the '89-'90 seasson is part of the bandwagon, but I was only 12.


I was just looking at the Duke schedule, and I'm starting to get super duper excited. If you were to count tonight we have 1 confernce game of the next 5, and then 13 straight conference games.:multi And you gotta love Duke/UNC to close the season out.

I became a UNC fan during the Final Four where they beat Michigan. Everyone seemed to have it up the Fab Five's ass so I started cheering for the other team. I'm excited for the ACC to start up Sunday, even if it is just against Va Tech. I can't wait until UNC/Duke, it is a national holiday to me.

[Gregb486]

19 and 22, awwww Gdub!

[bustdstuff]

I can't wait until UNC/Duke, it is a national holiday to me.


:confused: To you?? I thought these 2 days were national holidays. Those, Tournament Selection Sunday (my favorite day of the year), and the first four days of the Tourney are all holidays in my book. These days are better than my b-day and christmas put together.

[UNC41]

:confused: To you?? I thought these 2 days were national holidays. Those, Tournament Selection Sunday (my favorite day of the year), and the first four days of the Tourney are all holidays in my book. These days are better than my b-day and christmas put together.

Yea, last year my roomate told me that classes aren't canceled the Thursday and Friday of the NCAA tournament. Apparently I had just not been going all those years. :)

[bustdstuff]

Yea, last year my roomate told me that classes aren't canceled the Thursday and Friday of the NCAA tournament. Apparently I had just not been going all those years. :)



:lol :lol

I think Duke went ahead and canceled classes when UNC goes to Cameron. It's that or individual professors cancel class, cuz if you look at Kville there can't be anyone bothering to go.

[UNC41]

:lol :lol

I think Duke went ahead and canceled classes when UNC goes to Cameron. It's that or individual professors cancel class, cuz if you look at Kville there can't be anyone bothering to go.

Before I die I will be in the Dean Dome to see UNC and Duke play. Mark my words.

[bustdstuff]

Before I die I will be in the Dean Dome to see UNC and Duke play. Mark my words.

Before I die I will spend at least one night in Kville before a UNC game and be in Cameron for said game.

[bustdstuff]

I had to come post that JJ Reddick is the SHIT. The man stands 3 ft behind the 3 point line with hand all in his face a drains 3's, all net, no rim, no backboard. Damn. That just isn't right.

[seekupig]

:thumbsup

i hate him. it's one of those "hate him because he's so good" hates, but i still hate him.:)

[bustdstuff]

I'm a Dukie and I almost want to hate him almost but not quite. How is he that good, and why does he have to be so young (or me so old hmmmmmm)?

[seekupig]

I'm a Dukie and I almost want to hate him almost but not quite. How is he that good, and why does he have to be so young (or me so old hmmmmmm)?
:lol :lol

enjoy it while you can, he has the look of a great college player that doesn't have an NBA type game (like most Dukies;) ).

[bustdstuff]

You're absolutely right. But I like that about Duke. The pro game is a completely different game. I like the way Duke plays team ball. Although more and more Duke players are succeeding at the pro level.

[seekupig]

You're absolutely right. But I like that about Duke. The pro game is a completely different game. I like the way Duke plays team ball. Although more and more Duke players are succeeding at the pro level.
very true. Kansas is the same as Duke in that sense.

[watchtower41]

Duke looked awfully impressive to me last night.... most uninformed people would look at UIC as a complete stroke pushover team, well theyre not, and where the Flames were giving the Blue Devils all they handle out of the gates, youre only gonna hang in Cameron for so long before the atmo gets the best of you..... UIC lost to GTech this year by 1, and has been a tourney team the past 3 seasons I believe..... Dukies should be encouraged by the way they came out and slammed the door on the early deficit.

[bdb23]

Duke looked awfully impressive to me last night.... most uninformed people would look at UIC as a complete stroke pushover team, well theyre not, and where the Flames were giving the Blue Devils all they handle out of the gates, youre only gonna hang in Cameron for so long before the atmo gets the best of you..... UIC lost to GTech this year by 1, and has been a tourney team the past 3 seasons I believe..... Dukies should be encouraged by the way they came out and slammed the door on the early deficit.
Let's just hope that Duke doesn't run in to UIC's older brother.

[bustdstuff]

Duke looked awfully impressive to me last night.... most uninformed people would look at UIC as a complete stroke pushover team, well theyre not, and where the Flames were giving the Blue Devils all they handle out of the gates, youre only gonna hang in Cameron for so long before the atmo gets the best of you..... UIC lost to GTech this year by 1, and has been a tourney team the past 3 seasons I believe..... Dukies should be encouraged by the way they came out and slammed the door on the early deficit.

The biggest reason Duke has the ability to get out of those big early deficitis that they know Coach K isn't going to call a time out like many coaches. He leaves them out there to dig themselves out of it. I get kind of amused as I see them down by 10 and Mike just walks over to his chair and just sits. I am very impressed with the fight that UIC showed even down to the last minute. I like to see teams that aren't supposed to beat UNC, Duke, GT, Ill, and the like, but they still expect themselves to win. That's what it's all about.


Let's just hope that Duke doesn't run in to UIC's older brother.



Tourney time BABY!!

[bdb23]

Tourney time BABY!!
:thumbsup :D

[UNC41]

If anyone has ESPN insider Jay Bilas has a great article on there giving his thoughts on the most impressive teams and disappointing teams thus far. He puts them in the order Illinois, UNC, Ok. St., GT, Kansas. Here are some interesting tidbist.

- Bilas refers to Illinois as a basketball team in the purest sense. Every team out there is a team, but the Illini play like an actual team.

- UNC is called without reasonable the most talented team in the nation, as long as the most powerful.

- Bilas says Ok. St. is the best team in the Big 12. Talks about how they are not missing Tony Allen like he thought, and how good of leaders Graham and Lucas are.

- He says GT is well prepared and provides for some riduculous matchups on the floor. Talks about how focused and mature they are.

- Kansas has not played their best yet he says. Said Kansas would have won it all in 2003 if Simien was healthy. Could be best team in march if they can hit free throws and perimeter shots.

Those are teams that are regularly discussed in this thread so I figured I'd post a summary. Also, Memphis, FSU, and Indiana are the disappointing teams.

[watchtower41]

where I agree with a lot of what he says here.... Bilas is a worthless piece of crap as a College Hoops insider. This is coming from the same guy that said Illinois wouldnt be a top 5 team in the ACC and Deron Williams wouldnt be in the top 8 guards of the ACC when the season first got underway..... Chris Fowler still gives him shit for that.... he's a bigger ESPN/ACC homer than Dukie V. Now, Andy Katz....there's a guy that knows this game.

[bustdstuff]

where I agree with a lot of what he says here.... Bilas is a worthless piece of crap as a College Hoops insider. This is coming from the same guy that said Illinois wouldnt be a top 5 team in the ACC and Deron Williams wouldnt be in the top 8 guards of the ACC when the season first got underway..... Chris Fowler still gives him shit for that.... he's a bigger ESPN/ACC homer than Dukie V. Now, Andy Katz....there's a guy that knows this game.

I agree Katz is the most reputable at ESPN. As for what Bils says. The only thing I'm going to touch is the FSU thing. It is incredibly hard to recruit to FSU for bball, although they are getting better players into their program every year. And, they are in the first year under a new coach (maybe second), it's to early to expect great things in the ACC from them.

[seekupig]

- UNC is called without reasonable the most talented team in the nation, as long as the most powerful.


sounds a lot like Team USA in Athens this summer........

[UNC41]

sounds a lot like Team USA in Athens this summer........

Except for the fact that they have a pass first point guard (Felton) and one of the best three point shooters in the nation (McCants), both which Team USA was lacking. Also, there is no bitching about playing time. So in actuality it sounds nothing like Team USA from this summer.

[watchtower41]

sounds a lot like Team USA in Athens this summer........


speaking of Olympics hoops, they should compete with college athletes again..... at least they will want to be there, and at the same time, not too arrogant to take for granted that they will automatically win. The last two USA basketball teams that were assembled were straight up embarassing. Athens team gets a mulligan becuase so many people copped out...

[UNC41]

speaking of Olympics hoops, they should compete with college athletes again..... at least they will want to be there, and at the same time, not too arrogant to take for granted that they will automatically win. The last two USA basketball teams that were assembled were straight up embarassing. Athens team gets a mulligan becuase so many people copped out...

:thumbsup

[seekupig]

Except for the fact that they have a pass first point guard (Felton) and one of the best three point shooters in the nation (McCants), both which Team USA was lacking. Also, there is no bitching about playing time. So in actuality it sounds nothing like Team USA from this summer.
two words - Santa Clara

with or without Felton, there is no excuse for losing that game. didn't Santa Clara just lose to Cal Poly Tech? I'm saying UNC isn't good, but #2? prove it on the court EVERY night. That's the thing that drives me crazy about UNC.....they get ranked based on history and name, and have to prove themselves not worthy by losing five games just to drop out of the top ten.

[UNC41]

two words - Santa Clara

with or without Felton, there is no excuse for losing that game. didn't Santa Clara just lose to Cal Poly Tech? I'm saying UNC isn't good, but #2? prove it on the court EVERY night. That's the thing that drives me crazy about UNC.....they get ranked based on history and name, and have to prove themselves not worthy by losing five games just to drop out of the top ten.

Upsets happen, it sports. Time to get over that one game. Is Wake's season done because they got destroyed at Illinois, no. Since then they've destroyed everything in their way and pretty much every sports writer I've read say they have performed as the second best team in the nation behind Illinois. So apparently they all know nothing and you are right? Ranked based on history and name? Having the best scoring threat and SG in the nation, a top 5 PG, the big man with the best hands in the nation, and the best freshman in the nation would have nothing to do with being ranked highly now would it?

[seekupig]

Upsets happen, it sports. Time to get over that one game. Is Wake's season done because they got destroyed at Illinois, no. Since then they've destroyed everything in their way and pretty much every sports writer I've read say they have performed as the second best team in the nation behind Illinois. So apparently they all know nothing and you are right? Ranked based on history and name? Having the best scoring threat and SG in the nation, a top 5 PG, the big man with the best hands in the nation, and the best freshman in the nation would have nothing to do with being ranked highly now would it?
UNC is the most popular team in the country, without a doubt. This nation is filled with a bunch of jock-riding, bandwagon jumping, fairweather fans that support them now that things are looking up again.

I never said that they're not good. but it's not golf, you don't get a mulligan for Santa Clara. like it or not, that game counts and should be a reflection on how good they are. what does it mean? It means UNC is a very talented team, that might be the best.........but at the same time are capable of shitting the bed against a lesser opponent at the drop of a hat. Until other teams prove to have that problem, i don't think UNC should be put in a class above or with them just because every hack that graduated from UNC-CH School of Journalism thinks so.

[UNC41]

UNC is the most popular team in the country, without a doubt. This nation is filled with a bunch of jock-riding, bandwagon jumping, fairweather fans that support them now that things are looking up again.

I never said that they're not good. but it's not golf, you don't get a mulligan for Santa Clara. like it or not, that game counts and should be a reflection on how good they are. what does it mean? It means UNC is a very talented team, that might be the best.........but at the same time are capable of shitting the bed against a lesser opponent at the drop of a hat. Until other teams prove to have that problem, i don't think UNC should be put in a class above or with them just because every hack that graduated from UNC-CH School of Journalism thinks so.

Are you implying that I am not a true fan, because if so you couldn't be way more off.

Also, it is analysts, not the AP as a whole who rate UNC as a top 2 or 3 team. They are currently 5 in the AP poll. I don't know about you, but I am guessing the analysts who are hired to report on college basketball for a living know a little more than you or I about a subject.

If UNC is cutting down the nets in St. Louis will they be unworthy of the championship because they lost to Santa Clara?

[seekupig]

great day in college basketball yesterday..........

Wake Forest barely avoids another loss to Texas
Duke comes from behind to beat Oklahoma
Kansas plays like shit and survives against South Carolina
Georgia Tech loses to Gonzaga

[bdb23]

BTW, the lead is growing.

That is all.

[haildmb]

one of the silliest fan displays I've ever seen...

Okay, first off, I think the "overrated" cheer at the end of games is probably the dumbest thing someone can do at a sporting event. What are you saying? A team was rated highly, and the fact that your team beats them indicates they're overrated? Sounds more like an insult to your own team to me.

And so this weekend, Washington exhibited the dumbest use of this idiocy yet. With only seconds remaining in the game, Washington was beating NC State by 2 pts, and Julius Hodge was driving for the tie. He was blatantly fouled as he went in for the layup, the foul was not called, and Washington took possession of the ball, getting fouled by a State player with .4 seconds or so on the clock. At this point, the Washington fans begin their brilliant "overrated" cheer. What the hell? Besides the fact that Washington was only ranked 3-4 spots behind State in the polls, and the fact that we were playing in Washington's building, it took a terrible no-call to prevent the game from going into overtime. And yet they're overrated? You guys not getting much of an education out at ole U-Dub eh?

Speaking of the no-call, is this how Pac-10 games are typically officiated? I was sickened the entire game, it wasn't just calls against State either, it was both ways. Terrible. As much as I complain about the ACC refs, as they tend to be very anal about ticky-tac fouls, it's not often that they completely botch a game.

[seekupig]

Kansas Senior Wayne Simien Undergoes Surgery on Thumb




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Dec. 20, 2004

LAWRENCE, Kan. - Kansas senior Wayne Simien underwent surgery Monday evening to repair a ligament which pulled away from the bone in the left thumb and will miss four to six weeks, head coach Bill Self announced Monday.



Simien injured his thumb in the second half of Kansas' 64-60 win against South Carolina on Dec. 18. Self said doctors informed him x-rays indicated there was no break but further testing showed damage to a ligament.



"We all feel for Wayne but after visiting with Wayne, his family and all the doctors who have seen him, I strongly encouraged Wayne to go through the procedure," Self said. "We believe having Wayne at 100 percent the final two months of the season is far better than having him 60 to 70 percent.



"Though this is unfortunate, we still have a solid group of seniors who can lead us through this. We also will have to have some other players step up while Wayne is out."



With 13:45 remaining, the Leavenworth, Kan., forward was hacked while shooting by a South Carolina player. Simien left the floor and the thumb was taped. He returned to finish with 20 points and 11 rebounds to notch his Big 12-leading sixth double-double of the season. His dunk at 1:41 mark gave KU the lead for good in the game.



Simien leads the Big 12 in rebounding at 12 boards per game. The Preseason Big 12 Player of the Year and Wooden and Naismith awards selection is averaging a team-high 17.4 points for the second-ranked Jayhawks.

This will mark the fourth straight season Simien will have to sit out at least one game due to injuries. He missed the first five games his freshman season, 22 his sophomore year and one last season due to injuries.

well, i guess this is one of those times where you take a few losses and hope your freshmen getting a lot of playing time helps you in March. By the way, there was no foul called on that play.

[Third Floor]

who knows, maybe the freshmen will finally experience a road game

[seekupig]

who knows, maybe the freshmen will finally experience a road game
not against Tech. still salty that the Jackets couldn't get it done on a neutral court against the Bulldogs are you?

[Third Floor]

not a tech fan, just think KU hasnt been tested enough to show how good they really are. being 8-0 against cakewalk teams at home shows you nothing. almost being beat by usc is just a joke.

[seekupig]

not a tech fan, just think KU hasnt been tested enough to show how good they really are. being 8-0 against cakewalk teams at home shows you nothing. almost being beat by usc is just a joke.
Strength of Schedule, as of today:

Kansas - 76
Illinois - 85
Oklahoma St. - 104
UNC - 117
Georgia Tech - 126
Syracuse - 164

and six of Kansas seven games so far have been against teams that were in the NCAA tournament last year. can they help it that they suck now? As far as the home thing, i agree with you there. that's something that Bill Self has always done to ease freshmen into college basketball, but i don't like it.

and for the record, No Code is definately a great record.

"don't it make you smile........"

[Third Floor]

where are you getting the sos stats?
ease the freshman in? thats shit. give them a test, see what theyre made of. even if you get destroyed on the road, youll learn alot more about your team than by playing at home every game. its a joke.

[seekupig]

where are you getting the sos stats?
ease the freshman in? thats shit. give them a test, see what theyre made of. even if you get destroyed on the road, youll learn alot more about your team than by playing at home every game. its a joke.
http://cbs.sportsline.com/collegebasketball/polls/rpi/index1

and i said i don't agree with the home court thing, simply explaining his reasoning behind it. i don't care about rankings this early. i would take a couple of losses on the road to get them used to the atmosphere before conference play. that's why i think they'll beat Tech and possibly lose at Kentucky.

[JimiThang1]

not a tech fan, just think KU hasnt been tested enough to show how good they really are.

Well KU will be tested come new years day when tech whips their ass. Though i'm worried about the way our D was performing on saturday. Hopefully we can step it back up again.

[Third Floor]

stopped getting hyped on tech. i forsee a fourth place finish regular season in the acc.

[JimiThang1]

I'm not making any predictions on the ACC. Once they all start playing each other, we will be seeing some of the best basketball in a very long time.

[bustdstuff]

who knows, maybe the freshmen will finally experience a road game

I doubt it since there are still three seniors, four juniors, and three sophomores on the squad. It could be a few games before Self even needs freshman to make significant contributions.

Strength of Schedule, as of today:

Kansas - 76
Illinois - 85
Oklahoma St. - 104
UNC - 117
Georgia Tech - 126
Syracuse - 164



I always love this at the beginning of the season. Duke usually starts at around 300. :lol




P.S. Went and actually looked at Duke's sos. Higher than I expected 207. ;)

[seekupig]

I always love this at the beginning of the season. Duke usually starts at around 300. :lol
P.S. Went and actually looked at Duke's sos. Higher than I expected 207. ;)
well you know that they have to do their whole in state thing every year with Davidson, UNC-G, etc.....

not to mention they have three home courts.........Cameron Indoor, Greensboro Coliseum, and Madison Square Garden.;)

they've been playing good though. if they can get more consistent scoring from their front court, they'll be a tough team to beat come tourney time.

P.S. your boy JJ showed me a lot in the OU game on saturday, very impressed that he may be more than a shooter.

[bustdstuff]

well you know that they have to do their whole in state thing every year with Davidson, UNC-G, etc.....

So very true. Which why I always chuckle to see the sos at this time of the year

not to mention they have three home courts.........Cameron Indoor, Greensboro Coliseum, and Madison Square Garden.;)

they've been playing good though. if they can get more consistent scoring from their front court, they'll be a tough team to beat come tourney time.

P.S. your b