Preseason NCAA Basketball Poll is released

[bustdstuff]

referring to CP3?

No. R2D2 ;)

[Third Floor]

Come on either one of you would have been happy to have him if he picked your school. If you want to criticize anything he's playing the exact role Coach K wants him to play.

Edit: And don't forget after this season he should do that soph to jr year growing thing that guys do.
no, im happy with the big man from the raleigh area that my school got. i think hes better than randolph.

not cp3, cp is from the winston area. eric williams is from wake forest, which is in the raleigh area

[bustdstuff]

I'm not saying you are or should be unhappy with who you have. I'm just saying that if two years ago he said he was choosing your school you probably wouldn't have been upset at all.

[Third Floor]

i dont know, from what ive heard of their high school battles, eric dominated. although all ive haerd is from teh grapevine at wake, so it might be biased. but still, if its tru, im pretty satisfied with our junior class. jgray, big e, trent, and chris ellis.

[UNC41]

Come on either one of you would have been happy to have him if he picked your school. If you want to criticize anything he's playing the exact role Coach K wants him to play.

Edit: And don't forget after this season he should do that soph to jr year growing thing that guys do.

Ohh at the time I would have loved it, but if he were at UNC right now it would have been harder to give a lot of playing time into Marvin Williams, who is looking better and better as the season progresses.

[bustdstuff]

So glad to see that we all are completly happy with who we have. Well except that Randolph hs mono. So in the end we're one happy basketball community

[Third Floor]

no we still hate duke

[bustdstuff]

no we still hate duke


:rolleyes Well I still hate UNC (no one else is worth hating). But we're all happy with what we got.

[UNC41]

no we still hate duke

:thumbsup

[seekupig]

i dont know, from what ive heard of their high school battles, eric dominated. although all ive haerd is from teh grapevine at wake, so it might be biased. but still, if its tru, im pretty satisfied with our junior class. jgray, big e, trent, and chris ellis.
the big high school battle in the area was Randolph (junior year) and Anthony Richardson (senior year) who is now at Florida St..

here are some pictures of the last game they played against each other, and a picture of the crowd which was over 12,000 people packing in a college gym. the game was played where the NC State basketball team used to play. pretty impressive for a high school game.

http://ihigh.com/0,1773,2_1_0_33724,00.html


Eric Williams is one of those players who didn't really get a lot of recognition until the summer all-star games, but it seems to have worked out just fine for him and Wake Forest.

[seekupig]

Question -

IF Kansas wins at Kentucky this Sunday, should KU jump Illinois to #1? I ask this because Illinois jumped Kansas (and three other teams) when they beat Wake Forest early in the year. everyone's argument was the strength of their competition. KU beat Georgia Tech without Wayne Simien in the lineup, play at Rupp Arena on Sunday and currently have a strength of schedule of 11 (illinois' strength of schedule is 96) and are ranked #1 in the RPI. not asking if they will, only if they should.

[bustdstuff]

Question -

IF Kansas wins at Kentucky this Sunday, should KU jump Illinois to #1? I ask this because Illinois jumped Kansas (and three other teams) when they beat Wake Forest early in the year. everyone's argument was the strength of their competition. KU beat Georgia Tech without Wayne Simien in the lineup, play at Rupp Arena on Sunday and currently have a strength of schedule of 11 (illinois' strength of schedule is 96) and are ranked #1 in the RPI. not asking if they will, only if they should.

Yes. If they can win in Kenticky without Simien. No doubt.

By the way Duke is on ESPN in 12 minutes. :D

[seekupig]

Yes. If they can win in Kenticky without Simien. No doubt.

By the way Duke is on ESPN in 12 minutes. :D
cool. just to let you know, i work retail in Durham. Sheldon Williams and JJ Reddick were in the store today, if you'd like i could probably get you an autographed ball next time they're in. I see most of the Duke and UNC players at least once a week. let me know.

[UNC41]

Question -

IF Kansas wins at Kentucky this Sunday, should KU jump Illinois to #1? I ask this because Illinois jumped Kansas (and three other teams) when they beat Wake Forest early in the year. everyone's argument was the strength of their competition. KU beat Georgia Tech without Wayne Simien in the lineup, play at Rupp Arena on Sunday and currently have a strength of schedule of 11 (illinois' strength of schedule is 96) and are ranked #1 in the RPI. not asking if they will, only if they should.

It depends if Kansas defeats Kentucky or blows them out. I don't think KU deserved to jump this week because GT played them tough, where as Illinois clearly showed that they were the best team on the court against the number one team in the nation. That being said it would be a huge win for the Jayhawks.

[bustdstuff]

cool. just to let you know, i work retail in Durham. Sheldon Williams and JJ Reddick were in the store today, if you'd like i could probably get you an autographed ball next time they're in. I see most of the Duke and UNC players at least once a week. let me know.

Do you know how unbelievably phenomenal that would be? Anything signed by JJ would become one of my prized posessions (only behind a signed jersey by Wojo).

[UNC41]

cool. just to let you know, i work retail in Durham. Sheldon Williams and JJ Reddick were in the store today, if you'd like i could probably get you an autographed ball next time they're in. I see most of the Duke and UNC players at least once a week. let me know.

Which UNC players do you often see.

[seekupig]

It depends if Kansas defeats Kentucky or blows them out. I don't think KU deserved to jump this week because GT played them tough, where as Illinois clearly showed that they were the best team on the court against the number one team in the nation. That being said it would be a huge win for the Jayhawks.
Illinois beat the hell out of Wake Forest.....at home. taking nothing away from them, they played great. if KU wins this Sunday, that will be wins against Georgia Tech and AT Kentucky within one week without their player of the year candidate. not saying it would be right, but Illinois jumped a few teams under similar circumstances (at full strength and at home not included).

and for the record, i think UNC is the best team in the country right now.

[UNC41]

Illinois beat the hell out of Wake Forest.....at home. taking nothing away from them, they played great. if KU wins this Sunday, that will be wins against Georgia Tech and AT Kentucky within one week without their player of the year candidate. not saying it would be right, but Illinois jumped a few teams under similar circumstances (at full strength and at home not included).

and for the record, i think UNC is the best team in the country right now.

I can see why KU fans would feel they are deserving if they can beat Kentucky without Simien. Both Illinois and KU would then have legitimate claims to number one and I don't think the voters would have it wrong either way. That being said, I think that UNC is the most talented team in the country, but Illinois is the most complete team if that makes any sense.

[bdb23]

They'll get some more #1 votes but I don't think they'll jump Illinois unless they have a hiccup this week. Just my $0.02. Yes, they will have had a hell of a stretch but I think the #1 is for Illinois to lose not someone else to take at this point.

[seekupig]

They'll get some more #1 votes but I don't think they'll jump Illinois unless they have a hiccup this week. Just my $0.02. Yes, they will have had a hell of a stretch but I think the #1 is for Illinois to lose not someone else to take at this point.
i agree, but the precedent has been set already.

let me ask you this........... if KU runs the table without Simien, should they go to #1 when he comes back? that would take wins against Georgia Tech, Kentucky, Oklahoma St., and Texas to accomplish.

[bdb23]

i agree, but the precedent has been set already.

let me ask you this........... if KU runs the table without Simien, should they go to #1 when he comes back? that would take wins against Georgia Tech, Kentucky, Oklahoma St., and Texas to accomplish.
No precedent. WF was #1 and lost. At that point, it was fair game for the #1 slot. In this case, the #1 (Illinois) has not lost. Leapfrogging when you knock off the #1 is different from leapfrogging the #1 if they keep on winning.

I think they shouldn't go to #1 unless Illinois loses. Like I said, they will deserve some more #1 votes but that's it. I just don't see it happening.

[seekupig]

No precedent. WF was #1 and lost. At that point, it was fair game for the #1 slot. In this case, the #1 (Illinois) has not lost. Leapfrogging when you knock off the #1 is different from leapfrogging the #1 if they keep on winning.

I think they shouldn't go to #1 unless Illinois loses. Like I said, they will deserve some more #1 votes but that's it. I just don't see it happening.
Kansas was #1 and got jumped by Wake when they won the NIT.

[bdb23]

Kansas was #1 and got jumped by Wake when they won the NIT.
Kansas had a tough time with Vermont (7-point win) whereas Wake won the NIT. Preseason (and week 1 to week 2) is much different from the start of conference play.

[bustdstuff]

Despite all the talk of who should be #1. I am enjoying that the ACC holds #'s 3,4, and 5. Hmmm. Good start. I do hope for Illinois' sake that their conference lives up to the billing or they'll lose some votes based on strength of conference. Don't always agree but it happens.

[bdb23]

Despite all the talk of who should be #1. I am enjoying that the ACC holds #'s 3,4, and 5. Hmmm. Good start. I do hope for Illinois' sake that their conference lives up to the billing or they'll lose some votes based on strength of conference. Don't always agree but it happens.
Yep. We talked about that before.

[bustdstuff]

Yep. We talked about that before.

Yeah I know. Just wanted to brag without it looking like i was trying to rip your team. ;) Princeton's not looking so good tonight. They're even having problems just getting a shot off in time.

[bdb23]

Yeah I know. Just wanted to brag without it looking like i was trying to rip your team. ;) Princeton's not looking so good tonight. They're even having problems just getting a shot off in time.
;) I hear ya. I'm watching that garbage. Illini at 8:00pm local.

[bustdstuff]

You see that BC's up by 2 on UCONN with :30 to go? Wow. What's up with them so far?

[twosteppn36]

uconn goes down and nova is kickin the shit out of wvu

[bdb23]

19-point win for Illinois over Ohio State.
KU struggling (tied at post) with A&M

[IlliniGal]

19-point win for Illinois over Ohio State.
KU struggling (tied at post) with A&M
good...i hate not having illinois games broadcast here :(

[bdb23]

good...i hate not having illinois games broadcast here :(
That reminds me of the time when I couldn't get the Illini vs. Chicago St. game on TV in Chicago. Also like when Illinois played Northwestern in football and it wasn't on TV here. :BANG

[bustdstuff]

Well two ranked teams go down with a possibility of two more. It's a great night to shake things up.

Edit: Gotta love when a game is so bad ESPN goes to another game. :lol

[haildmb]

good night, BC beats uconn, georgetown beats pitt, houston beats louisville(might not have been a surprising game in... oh, 1981 or so). Here's looking to A&M finishing off the upset-laden night.

Not to mention West VA got brought back to earth with a 40 point thump by Villanova

[bdb23]

KU up 3 with 29.0 left. :( :D

[haildmb]

Michigan's getting ready to off Iowa, and Vanderbilt is whooping bama

[haildmb]

atta boy Moody miss those free throws!

[bdb23]

atta boy Moody miss those free throws!
:lol :thumbsup

[IlliniGal]

That reminds me of the time when I couldn't get the Illini vs. Chicago St. game on TV in Chicago. Also like when Illinois played Northwestern in football and it wasn't on TV here. :BANG
yeah, but i'm in the philly area...makes more sense here :)

[bdb23]

yeah, but i'm in the philly area...makes more sense here :)
I hear ya.

[bdb23]

Damn A&M. 65-60 KU wins.

[Hcdevildmb]

That reminds me of the time when I couldn't get the Illini vs. Chicago St. game on TV in Chicago. Also like when Illinois played Northwestern in football and it wasn't on TV here. :BANG
Am i missing something? The game was on here in Chicago.

[bdb23]

Am i missing something? The game was on here in Chicago.
Yes. She's in the philly area.

[bustdstuff]

There goes another one. Michigan offed Iowa.

Edit: four top 25's fall tonight. How many ACC teams can get ranked at one time?Hmmmmmm. ;)

[haildmb]

There goes another one. Michigan offed Iowa.


you taking my "offed" term? :24



edit: better smiley for the job :lol

[bustdstuff]

you taking my "offed" term? :24 l

Yeah I am. You gotta problem with that? *sticks chest out proudly showing off perky nipples*

[haildmb]

Yeah I am. You gotta problem with that? *sticks chest out proudly showing off perky nipples*


hott


You know honey, Ima Duke fan, youra Duke fan...

[bustdstuff]

hott


You know honey, Ima Duke fan, youra Duke fan...


;) ;)



On a side note. Rutgers knocked off LSU tonight. So, the Duke women should get the top spot. Looking like another quality season for them.

[meatball41]

yeah, but i'm in the philly area...makes more sense here :)

Try living in Maryland. The Illini are getting no love over here... :(
I thought tonite's game was supposed to be on ESPN!?!

[IlliniGal]

Try living in Maryland. The Illini are getting no love over here... :(
I thought tonite's game was supposed to be on ESPN!?!
so did i!

[haildmb]

;) ;)



On a side note. Rutgers knocked off LSU tonight. So, the Duke women should get the top spot. Looking like another quality season for them.


Wow, nice win for Rutgers, and coolness for Duke :)

And I saw tonight Baylor is #5 in women. I didn't think Baylor was good at anything??

[bustdstuff]

ESPN has ACC wednesday. And Seton Hall on the duece.

[bustdstuff]

Wow, nice win for Rutgers, and coolness for Duke :)

And I saw tonight Baylor is #5 in women. I didn't think Baylor was good at anything??


I think just women's sports and covering up murder. Sadly they're still only good at one.

[haildmb]

I think just women's sports and covering up murder. Sadly they're still only good at one.


I was trying to fit in how they're not even good at that in some joke, but couldn't get anything to work. Nicely done :lol

[haildmb]

good God, Virginia is currently in their 2nd overtime with Western Kentucky

[meatball41]

so did i!

Apparently we got HOSED!

[haildmb]

alrighty and the Hoos win

[bustdstuff]

Virginia wins in two overtimes. WKU definetly knows how to put up a fight. They'll probably go to the tourney again. Gotta love 'Big Red'.

[bustdstuff]

How bad is Vanderbilt. Alabama was down by 22 and is now down by only one!?!?!?!

[haildmb]

Dawid Przybyszewski


A Vanderbilt player... who wants to take a shot at a pronounciation?

[IlliniGal]

david prizewski or prizeski would be my guess.

[bustdstuff]

Dawid Przybyszewski


A Vanderbilt player... who wants to take a shot at a pronounciation?


Coach K ;) :rolleyes :lol :D

[seekupig]

I didn't realize that Texas A&M was undefeated until i watched sportscenter after the game last night. We need Simien back in a bad way. scoring is fine, but you can't give the other team three shots every time down the court and expect to win. those young kids better start rebounding or UK will blow us out on Sunday.

but..............fuck it, a win is a win. i'll take it.

[meatball41]

I didn't realize that Texas A&M was undefeated until i watched sportscenter after the game last night. We need Simien back in a bad way. scoring is fine, but you can't give the other team three shots every time down the court and expect to win. those young kids better start rebounding or UK will blow us out on Sunday.

but..............fuck it, a win is a win. i'll take it.

You guys have had 2 serious scares in a row without Simien. If you guys had played either one of those games on the road there might have been a different outcome. I see your boys going down on Saturday.

[seekupig]

You guys have had 2 serious scares in a row without Simien. If you guys had played either one of those games on the road there might have been a different outcome. I see your boys going down on Saturday.
I sure as hell hope not, they don't play on Saturday. that would be a tough one to swallow.;)

they could very well lose on Sunday though.

[watchtower41]

Kentucky just got the same scare that we did against South Carolina...... I really dont see Kentucky as that strong of a contending team, dont get me wrong, theyre pretty decent, but imo, a standard Kentucky team, which of course are always tough at Rupp (jayhawk) KU beat GTech without being at full strength and down by 16 in the 2nd half. Home or not, that's a lot to overcome against one of the premiere teams in the country, they lost with more talent last year. KU's D and the Frosh have stepped up huge in the absence of Simien. I like the Hawks to win on Sunday because Im just not all that impressed with Kentucky. KU's first loss will be here in the next week or two @ Villanova. When Wayne comes back, our bench will only be that much deeper.........Final Four plus two more.


Ahhhh, I love when conference play gets going.....RPI's start hopping around (Illini is 7th :ugh cough**Longwood) lets run through conference predictions on the majors.

[stunnersal]

I can't believe Pitt and Uconn both went down last night, what a great night of Hoops last night.... :thumbsup

[seekupig]

I can't believe Pitt and Uconn both went down last night, what a great night of Hoops last night.... :thumbsup
gotta love the Big Least

[stunnersal]

Yeah really..... :lol

[twosteppn36]

gotta love the Big Least


good one :ugh

[seekupig]

good one :ugh
sorry. should have put a disclaimer, 'Cuse not included.

[twosteppn36]

:lol

but i do recall a certain team from raleigh lost to a team from the bottom of the "big least"

(and dont give me any hodge bullshit) :lol :p

[seekupig]

:lol

but i do recall a certain team from raleigh lost to a team from the bottom of the "big least"

(and dont give me any hodge bullshit) :lol :p
true. living here doesn't make me a fan though. get back to me when Villanova beats KU in a couple weeks.;)

[twosteppn36]

nova put on quite the show last night. if they play like that, it'll at least be close

[watchtower41]

conference predictions.....


ACC-GTech (they play as a team, win as a team..very impressed with their poise. ACC will truly be a treat to watch all season, but much like Big 10 football, theres gonna be a lot of beating up on each other....who comes out with the least amount of scabs gets the nod at the No 1 seed)

Big12-who else :p KU (OK State mat have stole our hardware last year, its not gonna happen twice, get Simien back for Texas game. Nobody is even half as deep when KU is at full strength)

Big East-Syracuse (Uconn has question marks all over them, shit they almost lost to Indiana, Pittsburgh is a pretender, the Big East will have its hey day next year, but right now, I see the Orange being the only legitimate contender)

Big 10-Wisconsin (Not the best team in the conference, but I do believe they will squeeze it out it due to their schedule and style of play. For years, the Badgers have got the best of Big 10 opponents by changing styles of play...I see the Illini struggling with them, thats not to say that they wont be in St. Louis for the 4, because I believe they will be. Mich St I dont see as a threat, but Iowa and Michigan are both dangerous mid-tier teams that could get hot)

SEC-Arkansas ( I havent payed a bunch of attention to the SEC teams yet, have watched Kentucky a few times, Florida ehhh, saw the embarassing Alabama game last night..... I liked the way the Hogs played against the Illini, a very young team, not scared to go out there and just play.... I like teams that leave their egos in the lockeroom....)

Pac 10-Washington (Have some great wins in a pretty tough non-conference schedule, coming off a rujn to finish off last year. Arizona SHOULD be the clear winner here, the taent cannot be denied, but for whatever reason they have not been able to gel for the life of them....maybe its time for Lute to relax a bit...)

CUSA---just for shits and giggles, since its their last "real" season for all intensive purposes- DEPAUL (yes thats right, they won CUSA last year, they got the goods to do it again, Leito is a great coach coming from Calhoun's system at UConn, he ahs done nothing but good for recruiting and success since he's been at Depaul. Should be interesting to see how Marquette, Louisville, Depaul, and Cincy adapt to the Big East style of play)

[haildmb]

Kentucky just got the same scare that we did against South Carolina...... I really dont see Kentucky as that strong of a contending team, dont get me wrong, theyre pretty decent, but imo, a standard Kentucky team, which of course are always tough at Rupp (jayhawk) KU beat GTech without being at full strength and down by 16 in the 2nd half. Home or not, that's a lot to overcome against one of the premiere teams in the country, they lost with more talent last year.


Impressive though it was, they would not have beaten Tech if Elder hadn't hurt himself.

[RJ2kWJ]

conference predictions.....


ACC-GTech (they play as a team, win as a team..very impressed with their poise. ACC will truly be a treat to watch all season, but much like Big 10 football, theres gonna be a lot of beating up on each other....who comes out with the least amount of scabs gets the nod at the No 1 seed)

Big12-who else :p KU (OK State mat have stole our hardware last year, its not gonna happen twice, get Simien back for Texas game. Nobody is even half as deep when KU is at full strength)

Big East-Syracuse (Uconn has question marks all over them, shit they almost lost to Indiana, Pittsburgh is a pretender, the Big East will have its hey day next year, but right now, I see the Orange being the only legitimate contender)

Big 10-Wisconsin (Not the best team in the conference, but I do believe they will squeeze it out it due to their schedule and style of play. For years, the Badgers have got the best of Big 10 opponents by changing styles of play...I see the Illini struggling with them, thats not to say that they wont be in St. Louis for the 4, because I believe they will be. Mich St I dont see as a threat, but Iowa and Michigan are both dangerous mid-tier teams that could get hot)

SEC-Arkansas ( I havent payed a bunch of attention to the SEC teams yet, have watched Kentucky a few times, Florida ehhh, saw the embarassing Alabama game last night..... I liked the way the Hogs played against the Illini, a very young team, not scared to go out there and just play.... I like teams that leave their egos in the lockeroom....)

Pac 10-Washington (Have some great wins in a pretty tough non-conference schedule, coming off a rujn to finish off last year. Arizona SHOULD be the clear winner here, the taent cannot be denied, but for whatever reason they have not been able to gel for the life of them....maybe its time for Lute to relax a bit...)

CUSA---just for shits and giggles, since its their last "real" season for all intensive purposes- DEPAUL (yes thats right, they won CUSA last year, they got the goods to do it again, Leito is a great coach coming from Calhoun's system at UConn, he ahs done nothing but good for recruiting and success since he's been at Depaul. Should be interesting to see how Marquette, Louisville, Depaul, and Cincy adapt to the Big East style of play)
Good calls. But I seriously cant see how the ACC can be predicted this year. Wake, UNC, Duke, Ga Tech... are ALL contenders.

[clayj41]

conference predictions.....


ACC-GTech (they play as a team, win as a team..very impressed with their poise. ACC will truly be a treat to watch all season, but much like Big 10 football, theres gonna be a lot of beating up on each other....who comes out with the least amount of scabs gets the nod at the No 1 seed)

Big12-who else :p KU (OK State mat have stole our hardware last year, its not gonna happen twice, get Simien back for Texas game. Nobody is even half as deep when KU is at full strength)

Big East-Syracuse (Uconn has question marks all over them, shit they almost lost to Indiana, Pittsburgh is a pretender, the Big East will have its hey day next year, but right now, I see the Orange being the only legitimate contender)

Big 10-Wisconsin (Not the best team in the conference, but I do believe they will squeeze it out it due to their schedule and style of play. For years, the Badgers have got the best of Big 10 opponents by changing styles of play...I see the Illini struggling with them, thats not to say that they wont be in St. Louis for the 4, because I believe they will be. Mich St I dont see as a threat, but Iowa and Michigan are both dangerous mid-tier teams that could get hot)

SEC-Arkansas ( I havent payed a bunch of attention to the SEC teams yet, have watched Kentucky a few times, Florida ehhh, saw the embarassing Alabama game last night..... I liked the way the Hogs played against the Illini, a very young team, not scared to go out there and just play.... I like teams that leave their egos in the lockeroom....)

Pac 10-Washington (Have some great wins in a pretty tough non-conference schedule, coming off a rujn to finish off last year. Arizona SHOULD be the clear winner here, the taent cannot be denied, but for whatever reason they have not been able to gel for the life of them....maybe its time for Lute to relax a bit...)

CUSA---just for shits and giggles, since its their last "real" season for all intensive purposes- DEPAUL (yes thats right, they won CUSA last year, they got the goods to do it again, Leito is a great coach coming from Calhoun's system at UConn, he ahs done nothing but good for recruiting and success since he's been at Depaul. Should be interesting to see how Marquette, Louisville, Depaul, and Cincy adapt to the Big East style of play)

Not bad picks. Illinois will win the big ten though, even with Wisconsin's easier schedule. The ACC is gonna be tough though. I think whichever team comes out of it will be the national champions. Go Heels!!!

[bdb23]

conference predictions.....

Big 10-Wisconsin (Not the best team in the conference, but I do believe they will squeeze it out it due to their schedule and style of play. For years, the Badgers have got the best of Big 10 opponents by changing styles of play...I see the Illini struggling with them, thats not to say that they wont be in St. Louis for the 4, because I believe they will be. Mich St I dont see as a threat, but Iowa and Michigan are both dangerous mid-tier teams that could get hot)
Just crazy right there.

[bustdstuff]

conference predictions.....


ACC-GTech (they play as a team, win as a team..very impressed with their poise. ACC will truly be a treat to watch all season, but much like Big 10 football, theres gonna be a lot of beating up on each other....who comes out with the least amount of scabs gets the nod at the No 1 seed)

I still like my Devil's. We're already playing with 'scabs'. Duke is going to be much stronger than almost any team in the ACC because of what they're having to play without right now. When Randolph and Love come back (respectively) the Devil's are going to be a team that I don't think anyone is going want a piece of. Went into the season without a bench and have been forced to find one. Many teams have had to do this and have finished unreal strong. And, G-Tech has some questions hanging over them.

As for the rest of your predictions pretty right on. I think the CUSA could go a few ways, but then again look at the CUSA powerhouse Louisville last night.

[watchtower41]

I still like my Devil's. We're already playing with 'scabs'. Duke is going to be much stronger than almost any team in the ACC because of what they're having to play without right now. When Randolph and Love come back (respectively) the Devil's are going to be a team that I don't think anyone is going want a piece of. Went into the season without a bench and have been forced to find one. Many teams have had to do this and have finished unreal strong. And, G-Tech has some questions hanging over them.



good points.... you know Duke will be there down the stretch, its almost like theyve been hiding out with all the press and hype going to UNC and Wake early on.... I wouldnt be surprised one bit if the Dookies took it home. Reddick could pump in 35 on any given night that he's hot, and how are you gonna combat that???? By the way, I'm starting to watch the Bulls again every night, damn, Duhon and Deng have great chemistry and are on their way to good careers...people already starting to compare Deng to Pippen and how much better Deng is as a rookie so far.....

[bustdstuff]

How about Brandt and Maguette out in LA with the Clippers? Looks like Brandt could be the man that gets that franchise turned around. As for Deng in hindsight I guess I should be glad he went to Duke even for a year.

Edit: You know Coach K is just fine without hype. But, dont overlook they have all but 2 games on national TV.

[seekupig]

How about Brandt and Maguette out in LA with the Clippers? Looks like Brandt could be the man that gets that franchise turned around. As for Deng in hindsight I guess I should be glad he went to Duke even for a year.

Edit: You know Coach K is just fine without hype. But, dont overlook they have all but 2 games on national TV.
"Certainly...Duke is Duke.....they're on tv...more........than.......Leave It To Beaver.......reruns." -Pete Guillen

[bustdstuff]

"Certainly...Duke is Duke.....they're on tv...more........than.......Leave It To Beaver.......reruns." -Pete Guillen




:evil :D :evil :D

[UNC41]

good points.... you know Duke will be there down the stretch, its almost like theyve been hiding out with all the press and hype going to UNC and Wake early on.... I wouldnt be surprised one bit if the Dookies took it home. Reddick could pump in 35 on any given night that he's hot, and how are you gonna combat that???? By the way, I'm starting to watch the Bulls again every night, damn, Duhon and Deng have great chemistry and are on their way to good careers...people already starting to compare Deng to Pippen and how much better Deng is as a rookie so far.....

Iguodala is the rookie that is drawing all the comparisons to Pippen rather than Deng.

[clayj41]

I still like my Devil's. We're already playing with 'scabs'. Duke is going to be much stronger than almost any team in the ACC because of what they're having to play without right now. When Randolph and Love come back (respectively) the Devil's are going to be a team that I don't think anyone is going want a piece of. Went into the season without a bench and have been forced to find one. Many teams have had to do this and have finished unreal strong. And, G-Tech has some questions hanging over them.

As for the rest of your predictions pretty right on. I think the CUSA could go a few ways, but then again look at the CUSA powerhouse Louisville last night.

Duke will do well once they're healthy. They haven't impressed me yet though. Teams like UNC, Wake, and Ga. Tech. have had much tougher schedules and done just fine. I think this is the weakest team Duke has had in a couple of years, whereas many other ACC teams have caught up.

[seekupig]

two more days until KU's first loss of the season.

[seekupig]

updated RPI and Strength of Schedule Rankings as of 01-07-05,

Kansas - 1- 2
Illinois - 5 - 52
Duke - 8 - 87
UNC - 15 - 138
'Cuse - 16 - 155
Kentucky - 28 - 189

[UNC41]

updated RPI and Strength of Schedule Rankings as of 01-07-05,

Kansas - 1- 2
Illinois - 5 - 52
Duke - 8 - 87
UNC - 15 - 138
'Cuse - 16 - 155
Kentucky - 28 - 189

What all goes into factoring the strength of schedule, because I don't understand how Kansas is second in it. They haven't played on the road, have played one ranked team, and only 3 of their 10 games have been against major conferences. Meanwhile Illinois has played Wake, Gonzaga, and Cinci, yet they are 50 spots lower.

[UNC41]

two more days until KU's first loss of the season.

Have a little faith man, KU proved they are a good team without Simien last weekend. I am curious to see how they do on the road though.

[seekupig]

What all goes into factoring the strength of schedule, because I don't understand how Kansas is second in it. They haven't played on the road, have played one ranked team, and only 3 of their 10 games have been against major conferences. Meanwhile Illinois has played Wake, Gonzaga, and Cinci, yet they are 50 spots lower.
not sure exactly. all but one of the teams Kansas has played were in the tournament last year. the mid majors were conference champs (Nevada, Vermont, etc...) i think the main thing isn't who you have played, more who you haven't. While KU hasn't played a lot of nationally ranked teams, they haven't stooped to the Longwoods and Oaklands of the world either. like i said, not sure exactly but that the best i can come up with. here's the link ..........

http://www.sportsline.com/collegebasketball/polls/rpi/index1

http://www.sportsline.com/collegebasketball/polls

on my way to work, discuss tonite if you're around.

[UNC41]

not sure exactly. all but one of the teams Kansas has played were in the tournament last year. the mid majors were conference champs (Nevada, Vermont, etc...) i think the main thing isn't who you have played, more who you haven't. While KU hasn't played a lot of nationally ranked teams, they haven't stooped to the Longwoods and Oaklands of the world either. like i said, not sure exactly but that the best i can come up with. here's the link ..........

http://www.sportsline.com/collegebasketball/polls/rpi/index1

http://www.sportsline.com/collegebasketball/polls

on my way to work, discuss tonite if you're around.

You make a good point there with Illinois playing some real weak teams. I overlooked that and only looked at the stronger teams.

[bustdstuff]

Is anyone else watching the atrocity (sp?) that is this MD at UNC? Wow. Just a minute ago it was 40. Unreal.

[UNC41]

Is anyone else watching the atrocity (sp?) that is this MD at UNC? Wow. Just a minute ago it was 40. Unreal.

That was the definition of a blowout right there.

[bdb23]

Still rollin'.

[haildmb]

eek in the ACC

3 giant blowouts today. We may be fairly top heavy.

[Third Floor]

top heavy, yes. but unfortunately theres 4 teams in the top.
what was the third blowout?
i only recall wake and unc, although i didnt pay attention at all today, damn packing.

[haildmb]

top heavy, yes. but unfortunately theres 4 teams in the top.
what was the third blowout?
i only recall wake and unc, although i didnt pay attention at all today, damn packing.


GT had their way with Virginia

[Third Floor]

temple should be ranked.

[clayj41]

Big 10-Wisconsin (Not the best team in the conference, but I do believe they will squeeze it out it due to their schedule and style of play. For years, the Badgers have got the best of Big 10 opponents by changing styles of play...I see the Illini struggling with them, thats not to say that they wont be in St. Louis for the 4, because I believe they will be. Mich St I dont see as a threat, but Iowa and Michigan are both dangerous mid-tier teams that could get hot)

They lost to IU today by 13. Goes to show how ugly the Big Ten is.

[RJ2kWJ]

Even though I dont like either team, Im so pumped to watch the Kansas-Kentucky battle. I will be glued to the TV at 4:30.

[bustdstuff]

Even though I dont like either team, Im so pumped to watch the Kansas-Kentucky battle. I will be glued to the TV at 4:30.


:thumbsup

[bdb23]

UK is putting up enough bricks to start an annex to Rupp Arena.

[DMBfan41]

Dukies 11-0, lookin good!

[bustdstuff]

UK is putting up enough bricks to start an annex to Rupp Arena.

I think both teams have been contributing to that cause. I mean come on 32 points TOTAL with 3:30 to go in the first.
:twak <--- To both teams.


P.S. Right now there's no way I could vote KU #1 even if they win.

[haildmb]

pretty amazing, the 3 teams involved in the Roy Williams move are 1-2-3 in the polls

[RJ2kWJ]

How low scoring of a game is this going to be?

[bustdstuff]

Someones got to get to 50 right?

[bdb23]

P.S. Right now there's no way I could vote KU #1 even if they win.
:thumbsup

[clayj41]

Back to back three-pointers. Go Kansas!

[bdb23]

Sloppiest game I've seen in a while.

[clayj41]

I love to watch UK lose.

[bustdstuff]

Sloppiest game I've seen in a while.

Sloppiest game of the season so far. And don't come back at me with some UNC Greensboro/Tennessee Martin game. I'm talking games that count. ;)

[bdb23]

Sloppiest game of the season so far. And don't come back at me with some UNC Greensboro/Tennessee Martin game. I'm talking games that count. ;)
:lol

[MarkDMB]

No one said it was going to be pretty. As a matter of fact, some of us Kansas fans were hoping for an ugly game. It was the only way we thought we'd stay in it. But a win is a win is a win.

And as for ranking KU #1, no way. As long as Illinois is playing the way they are (and you could even include UNC) KU will be 2 (or 3). Now if you were talking about a 1 rank in the tourney, you'd be hard pressed to find a reason not to give KU a 1 seed.

[clayj41]

No one said it was going to be pretty. As a matter of fact, some of us Kansas fans were hoping for an ugly game. It was the only way we thought we'd stay in it. But a win is a win is a win.

And as for ranking KU #1, no way. As long as Illinois is playing the way they are (and you could even include UNC) KU will be 2 (or 3). Now if you were talking about a 1 rank in the tourney, you'd be hard pressed to find a reason not to give KU a 1 seed.

At this point, they would definitely be a 1 seed, but I agree that Illinois and maybe even UNC should be ranked ahead of them.

[seekupig]

i agree that KU shouldn't be #1. the fact that they keep playing like shit and winning without their star is more than enough to keep me happy for now.

1. Illinois
2. Kansas
3. UNC

UNC is like seeing a hot chick from behind with a bangin' body, she turns around, has a nice rack and a gorgeous face, but...............she has a booger on her nose. that booger is Santa Clara. as much as you'd love to just forget about it, it's always in the back of your mind.

[clayj41]

UNC is like seeing a hot chick from behind with a bangin' body, she turns around, has a nice rack and a gorgeous face, but...............she has a booger on her nose. that booger is Santa Clara. as much as you'd love to just forget about it, it's always in the back of your mind.

:lol They've beat some really good teams though.

[bustdstuff]

[QUOTE=seekupigUNC is like seeing a hot chick from behind with a bangin' body, she turns around, has a nice rack and a gorgeous face, but...............she has a booger on her nose. that booger is Santa Clara. as much as you'd love to just forget about it, it's always in the back of your mind.[/QUOTE]



I don't think it can be said any better. ;)

[seekupig]

:lol They've beat some really good teams though.
oh, i agree completely. i think UNC is playing better than anyone right now.

[clayj41]

oh, i agree completely. i think UNC is playing better than anyone right now.

They'll prove how good they are this week. They play Ga. Tech on Wednesday and Wake on Saturday.

[seekupig]

[QUOTE=seekupigUNC is like seeing a hot chick from behind with a bangin' body, she turns around, has a nice rack and a gorgeous face, but...............she has a booger on her nose. that booger is Santa Clara. as much as you'd love to just forget about it, it's always in the back of your mind.


I don't think it can be said any better. ;)[/QUOTE]
Dukies looked good yesterday. Temple's one of those teams that always scares me. Never want to see them in the tourney.......

[UNC41]

i agree that KU shouldn't be #1. the fact that they keep playing like shit and winning without their star is more than enough to keep me happy for now.

1. Illinois
2. Kansas
3. UNC

UNC is like seeing a hot chick from behind with a bangin' body, she turns around, has a nice rack and a gorgeous face, but...............she has a booger on her nose. that booger is Santa Clara. as much as you'd love to just forget about it, it's always in the back of your mind.

You can say this, but it also has to be said that UNC was the "hot chick" at the club that looks extremely less attractive because she decided to put no makeup (Raymond Felton) on that night. He may not be the best player in the nation, but he is the most important if UNC wants to be successful.

[UNC41]

What I am struggling with is why does Kansas struggle with bad team with Simien, yet beat good teams without him.

[seekupig]

You can say this, but it also has to be said that UNC was the "hot chick" at the club that looks extremely less attractive because she decided to put no makeup (Raymond Felton) on that night. He may not be the best player in the nation, but he is the most important if UNC wants to be successful.
you and i both know that UNC should beat the hell out of Santa Clara with or without Felton.

[seekupig]

What I am struggling with is why does Kansas struggle with bad team with Simien, yet beat good teams without him.
nothing to struggle with, all you need to know is that they win either way. may not be pretty, but they are finding ways to get it done.

[bdb23]

you and i both know that UNC should beat the hell out of Santa Clara with or without Felton.
:thumbsup

[seekupig]

how great would this final four be? not just the teams, but all of the great story lines that would come along with it?

Duke vs. UNC

Illinois vs. Kansas

[bustdstuff]

how great would this final four be? not just the teams, but all of the great story lines that would come along with it?

Duke vs. UNC

Illinois vs. Kansas

If I can't get an all ACC Final Four I'd be more than happy for these matchups. DUKE/UNC IV anyone? (I'm sure we'll meet in the conference tourney)

[watchtower41]

nothing to struggle with, all you need to know is that they win either way. may not be pretty, but they are finding ways to get it done.


shame, shame seekuppig for not having the faith in the fellas..... Moody comes up huge again....and I'm really starting to like the way Giles is developing. Sloppy of game as it was, its two big time D's going head to head, its gonna happen.... I was out in Vegas, Kentucky was favored by 6, I took the money line with the 'Hawks :D maybe those bookies arenot so smart after all, who makes KU an underdog?? Damn Dukies just missed covering.....


Right now most vegas books have UNC as the favorite at about 3/1 or 5/2

Kansas is next at 4/1
Illinois and Duke are both 5/1
GTech and Wake 6/1


People can say what they want about KU, bottom line is they have No 1 RPI right now, and what is to be considered the toughest schedule wihtout their best player. I am convinced, their D can send any team in the country into a funk.

[bustdstuff]

I hope you put money on Ill., UNC, KU, and Duke to win at those odds right now. Get into conference tourneys and all those teams will be 2:1 or less. :D

[clayj41]

You can say this, but it also has to be said that UNC was the "hot chick" at the club that looks extremely less attractive because she decided to put no makeup (Raymond Felton) on that night. He may not be the best player in the nation, but he is the most important if UNC wants to be successful.

Felton is the key. They would be undefeated if he would have been able to play against Santa Clara.

[dmb1spe]

I love to watch UK lose.
Then you shouldn't watch the UK-IU game every year.

[dmb1spe]

And incidentally, Kentucky played like ass on Sunday. Granted, Kansas didn't bring their A game either. Both teams will go deep in march...

[clayj41]

Then you shouldn't watch the UK-IU game every year.

If you ever read any of my posts, you'll find out very quickly that I'm a UNC fan who just happens to attend IU.

[dmb1spe]

UNC fan? Why the angst against Big Blue then? Shouldn't you guys just be happy that you're number 2 in wins behind us?

[bustdstuff]

If you ever read any of my posts, you'll find out very quickly that I'm a UNC fan who just happens to attend IU.

Ok two things.

1. You're gonna have to put something in your sig or better yet change your avatar (wrong bball for right now) to say something about being a UNC fan.

2. Why the angst toward UK? Aren't you, as a UNC fan, supposed to spend more time hating on my Devils? ;)

[clayj41]

2. Why the angst toward UK? Aren't you, as a UNC fan, supposed to spend more time hating on my Devils? ;)

I do live in Southern Indiana, so I have to hate UK. Plus all of my annoying relatives are UK fans. Don't worry, I have plenty of hate for both UK and Duke.

[bustdstuff]

I do live in Southern Indiana, so I have to hate UK. Plus all of my annoying relatives are UK fans. Don't worry, I have plenty of hate for both UK and Duke.


Alright I can deal with that. I got all my hate for UNC. After the '92 game I can't bring myself to hate UK, and after two years ago (maybe 3?) beating UMD the way we did I can't bring myself to hate them either (and having to watch them win quite possibly the single ugliest championship game in any sport).



P.S. Are you in the midst of an avatar change? ;)

[twosteppn36]

wooooooooooooooooooooo

[clayj41]

P.S. Are you in the midst of an avatar change? ;)

Eventually.

[UNC41]

And incidentally, Kentucky played like ass on Sunday. Granted, Kansas didn't bring their A game either. Both teams will go deep in march...

I think Kentucky is lacking a go-to scorer that will prevent them from making too much noise in March.

[clayj41]

I think Kentucky is lacking a go-to scorer that will prevent them from making too much noise in March.

I agree. Plus they're a somewhat young team. I see them making the Elite 8 at best, but I predict them to lose in the Sweet 16.

[UNC41]

If you ever read any of my posts, you'll find out very quickly that I'm a UNC fan who just happens to attend IU.

So you are the one person in Indiana that is happy Sean May decided to go to UNC.

[clayj41]

So you are the one person in Indiana that is happy Sean May decided to go to UNC.

Hell yeah! I was the only person at Assembly Hall who wasn't booing him earlier this season. That is the only IU game I will attend this season too. The funny thing is that I had just met Sean May a couple of weeks before at a party. It was the most random thing. Apparently he was on fall break.

[UNC41]

Hell yeah! I was the only person at Assembly Hall who wasn't booing him earlier this season. That is the only IU game I will attend this season too. The funny thing is that I had just met Sean May a couple of weeks before at a party. It was the most random thing. Apparently he was on fall break.

Well you aren't missing much by not going to Indiana games. So everyone in Indiana was cool with May when he's not on the basketball court?

[clayj41]

Well you aren't missing much by not going to Indiana games. So everyone in Indiana was cool with May when he's not on the basketball court?

To tell you the truth, I don't think too many people knew who he was. I told all my friends, "Hey, that's Sean May." They looked at me like I was stupid and asked, "Are you sure?" I was like, "I've only been a Tar Heels fan since I was like 6 years old. I think I know what Sean May looks like."

[UNC41]

That's awesome. Was he a pretty nice guy?

[clayj41]

That's awesome. Was he a pretty nice guy?

I was so nervous. I asked him if he wanted a beer, and he said he couldn't because he was DD. He was driving a new Expedition.

[clayj41]

Bracketology is up.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/bracketology

[ousooner]

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/preview?gameId=250100201

Who needs football?

[clayj41]

Connecticut loses again.

[bdb23]

Connecticut loses again.
Seems to be a trend lately.

[RJ2kWJ]

I was so nervous. I asked him if he wanted a beer, and he said he couldn't because he was DD. He was driving a new Expedition.
I met him last halloween down at unc. He was a really cool guy. I was probably bugging him cuz he was with a nice lil blonde but oh well.

[dmb1spe]

UK does have a lack of a scorer... but the same was true in 98. Scorers sometimes develop as the season goes on. The youth argument holds no water because by March the freshman will no longer make freshman mistakes. Especially with the heavy rotation that Tubby plays.

Plus let's be honest... Tubby's teams always peak in March.

[seekupig]

shame, shame seekuppig for not having the faith in the fellas..... Moody comes up huge again....and I'm really starting to like the way Giles is developing. Sloppy of game as it was, its two big time D's going head to head, its gonna happen.... I was out in Vegas, Kentucky was favored by 6, I took the money line with the 'Hawks :D maybe those bookies arenot so smart after all, who makes KU an underdog?? Damn Dukies just missed covering.....

i didn't underestimate KU as much as i overestimated UK. either way, i'll take it.

[clayj41]

UK does have a lack of a scorer... but the same was true in 98. Scorers sometimes develop as the season goes on. The youth argument holds no water because by March the freshman will no longer make freshman mistakes. Especially with the heavy rotation that Tubby plays.

Plus let's be honest... Tubby's teams always peak in March.

True, you never know what to expect from UK. They always seem to be there. However, I can't see them winning it all. There are just to many good teams. You never know what will happen in March though.

[watchtower41]

Bracketology is up.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/bracketology




:thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup
I love bracketology.

[clayj41]

:thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup
I love bracketology.

Its a pretty good looking bracket if I do say so myself.

[twosteppn36]

Boeheim laces into critics of schedule
He says ESPN's Gottlieb and Vitale don't know what they're talking about.
Tuesday, January 11, 2005
By Mike Waters
Staff writer

South Bend, Ind. - The Syracuse University men's basketball team went outside the state of New York for the first time this season on Monday and came away with an impressive 70-61 victory over Notre Dame.

Several basketball commentators, but most particularly ESPN's Doug Gottlieb and Dick Vitale, have criticized Syracuse and Orange coach Jim Boeheim for not venturing out of New York for a game.

This despite the fact that the seventh-ranked Orange played three nationally ranked opponents in New York City at Madison Garden Square prior to Christmas.

After Monday's game, Boeheim answered those who knocked his team's schedule.

"They don't know what they're talking about, so I don't pay much attention to them," Boeheim said. "One guy in particular was in our league for a minute or two but he couldn't play in it. He seems to do the most talking probably because he wasn't a very good player and he's not very smart about basketball."

Boeheim was referringto Gottlieb, who played one year at Notre Dame in the mid-1990s before transferring to Oklahoma State.

"And you don't have to leave the state," Boeheim continued. "What's the difference where you play? We played three top-20 teams in the first eight games. No one else in the country played any more than that. And they were in New York City, not Syracuse. Maybe he doesn't know where New York City is. It's 300 miles from us."

Boeheim then turned to Vitale, who has repeatedly chided Boeheim for his home game-laden non-conference schedule.

"And Dick, of course, Dick doesn't know a lot either," Boeheim said. "He said this was going to be our first plane trip. We've already had three plane trips coming into this one. I guess their geography wasn't taught very well in high school."

Boeheim continued, explaining his scheduling philosophy.

"It's not a good thing to go out and play 10 tough games," he said. "Michigan State and Tom Izzo learned that last year, and he didn't do it this year. His team's now in the top 20 and they're 10-2 now. The philosophy of scheduling is very simple. You play enough good teams to get your team ready.

"We've won three league games by more than we beat Hofstra by, more than we beat Cornell by and more than we beat Princeton by," he added. "We beat Mississippi State by (13). We beat Hofstra by five. At home.

"All these teams can play in college basketball. And if you don't think teams can play, you don't understand the game."

:lol i love jimmy

[UNC41]

UK does have a lack of a scorer... but the same was true in 98. Scorers sometimes develop as the season goes on. The youth argument holds no water because by March the freshman will no longer make freshman mistakes. Especially with the heavy rotation that Tubby plays.

Plus let's be honest... Tubby's teams always peak in March.


They were ranked number one in the nation heading into the tourny the past two years, but didn't reach the Final Four either year. That doesn't sound like peaking in March to me.

[Third Floor]

god i love acc basketball. cant wait til saturday.

[UNC41]

god i love acc basketball. cant wait til saturday.

:thumbsup

[seekupig]

McCants and Felton don't seem to be worried about G Tech or Wake Forest this week. very confident team right now. not cocky, just confident.

[UNC41]

McCants and Felton don't seem to be worried about G Tech or Wake Forest this week. very confident team right now. not cocky, just confident.

Talk to them?

[Third Floor]

felton should be worried.i mean for a team that st beaten wake once in the last 3 years during the regular season, they really have no room to be cocky. mccants is an entirely different story, he may be the most complete player, maybe not the best playre or poy, in the acc. hes very good.

[seekupig]

Talk to them?yes. on my way to work now, but i'll be back around seven or so. if things work out today, Felton or McCants or both will be wearing the Air Jordan Retro XIII, carolina blue / white / grey that come out on Jan. 22nd in tonites game.

[seekupig]

felton should be worried.i mean for a team that st beaten wake once in the last 3 years during the regular season, they really have no room to be cocky. mccants is an entirely different story, he may be the most complete player, maybe not the best playre or poy, in the acc. hes very good.
i agree, but i don't think there's any doubt that Carolina is playing on a far different level than they have the past few years.

[watchtower41]

Rodrick Stewart a Jayhawk. :D We are gonna be filthy dirty next year. Best recruiting class and now the top transfer??? Fahgetaboutit.

http://www.kusports.com/news/mens_hoop_recruiting/story/112819

[UNC41]

Rodrick Stewart a Jayhawk. :D We are gonna be filthy dirty next year. Best recruiting class and now the top transfer??? Fahgetaboutit.

http://www.kusports.com/news/mens_hoop_recruiting/story/112819

Not as talented as his brother, but still a nice pickup for the Kansas program.

[seekupig]

tonite at Iowa St..........

Simien - doubtful
Langford - questionable
Moody - out

on the road with three starters possibly not playing.

[bustdstuff]

tonite at Iowa St..........

Simien - doubtful
Langford - questionable
Moody - out

on the road with three starters possibly not playing.


Looks like fun. Ga. Tech at UNC just started. Should be a good game.

[bustdstuff]

Ga Tech already down by 15.

[haildmb]

i agree, but i don't think there's any doubt that Carolina is playing on a far different level than they have the past few years.


they are scary. Very, very scary. They get up and down the court like an NBA team.

[300xxx]

they are the true #1 team.......

[clayj41]

they are the true #1 team.......

:thumbsup

[Third Floor]

i wouldnt say that. illini are a true #1.

[haildmb]

i wouldnt say that. illini are a true #1.


Eh... obviously we won't get to find out for a while, but I feel sure UNC would beat Illinois by double figures.

[clayj41]

i wouldnt say that. illini are a true #1.

Illionois is really good and as long as they're undefeated, their ranking won't change. This UNC game isn't over yet either. Don't underestimate Ga. Tech.

[300xxx]

if carolina had a full team in hawaii they wouldnt of lost their 1 game

[Third Floor]

i almost want UNC to blow Gatech out. get over confident and come to winston on saturday.
but at the same time, i want them to lose everytime they play.
gotta go get a tent to campout friday night at the joel.

[300xxx]

Illionois is really good and as long as they're undefeated, their ranking won't change. This UNC game isn't over yet either. Don't underestimate Ga. Tech.

g tech isnt the same team without elder

[clayj41]

g tech isnt the same team without elder

Definitely, but a win is a win if they can pull it off.

[clayj41]

if carolina had a full team in hawaii they wouldnt of lost their 1 game

If Felton would have played, they definitely wouldn't have lost.

[bustdstuff]

Clayj41- I'm very proud of you for getting a basketball avatar.

The Illini aren't going anywhere anytime soon. Look at the Big X. And, even if they lose Kansas gets #1. It isn't that UNC lost it's that they lost to SANTA CLARA. And sorry 300xxx not having Felton is not even a decent excuse. Duke is practically losing a player every game and they haven't lost.

[300xxx]

If Felton would have played, they definitely wouldn't have lost.

that was my point, he makes a huge difference........i watched in pain as my terps got killed the other day

[300xxx]

steph, kansas loses tonight.......

[bustdstuff]

steph, kansas loses tonight.......

I'll wait til the games over. Or wait maybe I'll even wait til it starts! :rolleyes

[clayj41]

Clayj41- I'm very proud of you for getting a basketball avatar.

:thumbsup even if you are a Duke fan. :p

[clayj41]

Big shot to end the half.

[bustdstuff]

:thumbsup even if you are a Duke fan. :p

I can't wait for UNC to show up at Cameron. Think those Santa Clara chants are gonna get on their nerves? (you know the Cazies will break it out a few times)
:p :p ;)

[clayj41]

I can't wait for UNC to show up at Cameron. Think those Santa Clara chants are gonna get on their nerves? (you know the Cazies will break it out a few times)
:p :p ;)

The smartest and meanest fans in college basketball.

[JimiThang1]

Lord we're getting our asses kicked. We got to step it up. Jack hasn't been able to do anything. We just aren't the same without BJ.

[clayj41]

We just aren't the same without BJ.

Nope.

[bustdstuff]

The smartest and meanest fans in college basketball.

Yeah. It's a tough reputation to uphold.;) Reminds me of a Cinci at Xavier last year. The students had been getting out of hand in that rivalry. So the pres. of Xavier told them that if it got out of hand they'd get thrown out. So some kid made a sign that simply said "Welcome fellow scholars" :lol Seriously I'll never forget that sign. I wonder if it pissed Huggins off?

[bdb23]

A lot of "ifs" in this thread lately. I guess that's why they play the games.

I-L-L...I-N-I

[bustdstuff]

KU looks like they're doing alright for now.

Edit: I got good news today. Randolph is practicing and might play within the next week. I don't know how much longer the Devils can hold up with a freshman guard playing power foward.

[clayj41]

Edit: I got good news today. Randolph is practicing and might play within the next week. I don't know how much longer the Devils can hold up with a freshman guard playing power foward.

I hope he's healthy enough to play a role in their loss to UNC on Feb. 9th. :p

[clayj41]

Damn 91-69!

[JimiThang1]

Yea that was nasty. Good game though I really do think UNC is the best team in the country. Glad we only play ya'll once!

[UNC41]

felton should be worried.i mean for a team that st beaten wake once in the last 3 years during the regular season, they really have no room to be cocky. mccants is an entirely different story, he may be the most complete player, maybe not the best playre or poy, in the acc. hes very good.

Apparently Felton having confidence worked out just fine.

[UNC41]

Duke is practically losing a player every game and they haven't lost.

There is no player on the Duke roster, let alone in the country, that is important to a title contenders success as Felton is to Carolina's.

[UNC41]

I know KU hasn't loss so I am not going to argue against them being number 2, but I'd like to see them dominate a game sometime soon.

[bustdstuff]

There is no player on the Duke roster, let alone in the country, that is important to a title contenders success as Felton is to Carolina's.

And thats UNC's biggest problem.

[haildmb]

any team that can do THAT to georgia tech... should be #1

[300xxx]

any team that can do THAT to georgia tech... should be #1

would be a hell of a week if they beat wake this weekend too

[haildmb]

would be a hell of a week if they beat wake this weekend too


Ich, I don't want to think about it. Go Deacs.

I'll be at the game tomorrow night proudly wearing my Duke blue :D Let's hope we don't fall on our faces for the 3rd straight year.

[300xxx]

Ich, I don't want to think about it. Go Deacs.

I'll be at the game tomorrow night proudly wearing my Duke blue :D Let's hope we don't fall on our faces for the 3rd straight year.


big game........dukes only like a 2 point favorite too

[300xxx]

when boston college joins the acc next year, that is just going to make that conference more sick than it already is, between them and the new big east next year, thats going to be 1/3 of the march maddness field just between the 2 conferences.

[bdb23]

Looks likes we'll be holding on to that #1 spot for a little longer. Too bad for UNC that they lost when they lost and to who they lost. I think that's the only thing keeping them from #2. But this domination can only help since KU can't seem to show their strength and blow anyone away. But I'll predict that we'll get some crap about how "it was a tough road game" "hilton" etc. What was the excuse during all the home games?? Oh yeah, some injuries??? C'mon. You're #2. Play like it. UNC is.

[seekupig]

Looks likes we'll be holding on to that #1 spot for a little longer. Too bad for UNC that they lost when they lost and to who they lost. I think that's the only thing keeping them from #2. But this domination can only help since KU can't seem to show their strength and blow anyone away. But I'll predict that we'll get some crap about how "it was a tough road game" "hilton" etc. What was the excuse during all the home games?? Oh yeah, some injuries??? C'mon. You're #2. Play like it. UNC is.
no excuses. we're not blowing anyone out. i personally don't care where KU is ranked in the top 4 (it's just fun to argue about sometimes), because that will get them a #1 seed in March.

it's kind of funny though that KU beats G Tech and Kentucky without their star, plays a couple of other close games without him or Moody and we're making excuses. UNC suffers a double digit loss to a shitty team and excuses are all i hear. i've said it before, and i'll say it again: UNC is playing better than anyone in the country (yes, that includes you, Illini'), but that loss will not be erased from your schedule if you beat other people bad enough. wait in line, handle your business, Illinois and KU will lose soon enough then you will be poised to roll into the tourney ranked #1 and uphold Roy Williams fine reputation of winni.....er nevermind.:)

[RJ2kWJ]

Duke - NC State tonight. Woo hooooo. :)

[bdb23]

no excuses. we're not blowing anyone out. i personally don't care where KU is ranked in the top 4 (it's just fun to argue about sometimes), because that will get them a #1 seed in March.

it's kind of funny though that KU beats G Tech and Kentucky without their star, plays a couple of other close games without him or Moody and we're making excuses. UNC suffers a double digit loss to a shitty team and excuses are all i hear. i've said it before, and i'll say it again: UNC is playing better than anyone in the country (yes, that includes you, Illini'), but that loss will not be erased from your schedule if you beat other people bad enough. wait in line, handle your business, Illinois and KU will lose soon enough then you will be poised to roll into the tourney ranked #1 and uphold Roy Williams fine reputation of winni.....er nevermind.:)
:lol :lol

[watchtower41]

Looks likes we'll be holding on to that #1 spot for a little longer. Too bad for UNC that they lost when they lost and to who they lost. I think that's the only thing keeping them from #2. But this domination can only help since KU can't seem to show their strength and blow anyone away. But I'll predict that we'll get some crap about how "it was a tough road game" "hilton" etc. What was the excuse during all the home games?? Oh yeah, some injuries??? C'mon. You're #2. Play like it. UNC is.


check again, KU has 4 wins by 10 or more against tourney teams from one year ago.... in 3 of those games, KU won by more than 25. :D
and when every team is involved in the 2 point games with 1:26 left on the clock with a trip to the Elite 8 on the line who do you think will be ready???? We were No1 ranked pre-season, Ive got news for ya.... KU has NOT LOST. Unlike, Illinois, we actually play a tough schedule.... matter of fact, the toughest in the nation. Lastly, check those RPI's...... thanks. Simien is back...... cant say other teams didnt have their chance. KU lost 5 out of the last 6 years at Iowa St I believe, last nights win was huge. Guess A&M is a bit better than anyone gave them credit for too.... get the Aggies.

[bdb23]

check again, KU has 4 wins by 10 or more against tourney teams from one year ago.... in 3 of those games, KU won by more than 25. :D
and when every team is involved in the 2 point games with 1:26 left on the clock with a trip to the Elite 8 on the line who do you think will be ready???? We were No1 ranked pre-season, Ive got news for ya.... KU has NOT LOST. Unlike, Illinois, we actually play a tough schedule.... matter of fact, the toughest in the nation. Lastly, check those RPI's...... thanks. Simien is back...... cant say other teams didnt have their chance. KU lost 5 out of the last 6 years at Iowa St I believe, last nights win was huge. Guess A&M is a bit better than anyone gave them credit for too.... get the Aggies.
Blah, blah, blah. Wait your turn (if it comes at all).

[watchtower41]

Blah, blah, blah. Wait your turn (if it comes at all).


only justifying my boy's place at the table..... they deserve to be right where they are. UNC can keep :lorraine about Santa Clara, fact of the matter is....Felton was not academically eligible, and Roy suspended his azz. :twak Ohhh well, Good Luck at LJMC. Go Deacs.

[clayj41]

Why all of this bickering about rankings? Each team will have their fair chance to prove their worth in March.

[watchtower41]

Why all of this bickering about rankings? Each team will have their fair chance to prove their worth in March.



cause its not March yet, and nobody knows who has the best team yet. No matter who youre team is, odds are not good to win a championship. Only 1 can win out 300+. Enjoy the regular season.

[seekupig]

only justifying my boy's place at the table..... they deserve to be right where they are. UNC can keep :lorraine about Santa Clara, fact of the matter is....Felton was not academically eligible, and Roy suspended his azz. :twak Ohhh well, Good Luck at LJMC. Go Deacs.

Felton was suspended by the NCAA for playing in an unsanctioned summer league in Raleigh, not academics.

how long is Moody out for?

[clayj41]

cause its not March yet, and nobody knows who has the best team yet. No matter who youre team is, odds are not good to win a championship. Only 1 can win out 300+. Enjoy the regular season.

True, but there is no way of knowing which team is actually the best if they don't play each other.

[haildmb]

Duke - NC State tonight. Woo hooooo. :)


You gonna be there?

I'm in sec. 111 row Y, wearing blue :D

[clayj41]

Felton was suspended by the NCAA for playing in an unsanctioned summer league in Raleigh, not academics.

:thumbsup Correct.

[watchtower41]

Felton was suspended by the NCAA for playing in an unsanctioned summer league in Raleigh, not academics.

how long is Moody out for?


Ok, I dont know why I thought I heard academics.....regardless, it was something he did for personal gain, hurting his team in the process....sounds like I guy I'd like to lead my team.


Self said Moody should be able to go Saturday against Colorado, though theyre still far from 100%.

[bustdstuff]

You gonna be there?

I'm in sec. 111 row Y, wearing blue :D

So which side of the court is that on? And which sign will yours be? You know so I can look for you on another nationally televised game. :D ;)

[haildmb]

So which side of the court is that on? And which sign will yours be? You know so I can look for you on another nationally televised game. :D ;)


haha that's right.

No sign, I'm brave enough going Duke. Fortunately I'm going with friends :D

I'm sort of behind one of the baskets... but a good ways behind. Well, Y-rows behind :)

Actually I think I'll take a sign that says "Stephanie is hot," think they'd put me on? :D

[bustdstuff]

Actually I think I'll take a sign that says "Stephanie is hot," think they'd put me on? :D

Most definetly. Especially if you work it into ESPN or "Sportscenter is next".:D

[haildmb]

Most definetly. Especially if you work it into ESPN or "Sportscenter is next".:D


S for Stephanie... just need the other 3 :lol

[bustdstuff]

S for Stephanie... just need the other 3 :lol

It would be cool if you could get ants in there too :p

[seekupig]

Duke will win by at least 20 tonite.Jules from Harlem ain't gonna be able to do it by himself.

[bustdstuff]

Well it's a good game so far. At least after some of the games of the past week.

[bustdstuff]

:BANG :BANG

Not another one. Johnson's got a dislocated shoulder. I might not have a team to field by the end of this game. On a brighter note they did make a nice attempt at a comeback late in the half. :shrug

[RJ2kWJ]

How you gonna try and take a swing at Danny with the ball like that, then try to say you didn't do it on purpose? He was just frustrated. Fuggin tool.

[bustdstuff]

This entire game has been one big gut check. And if anyone should be scary come tourney time. I say it's Duke.

[bustdstuff]

Refuse to lose. I truly believe that is their motto for the season.

[RJ2kWJ]

There bench/freshmen PROVED themselves tonight. They showed they could come through when JJ and Danny dont have a good day. Gotta love em.

[bustdstuff]

I'm thuroughly impressed.

[haildmb]

Atta boy Melchionni, played great tonight.

We sucked it up a bunch in the 1st half but kept it close, then played a very good second half. I'm happy, but I'm not ready to declare them a "scary" team come tourny time. This was an ill, beat up nc state team that's lost 3 terrible games in a row. Good road win, great second half effort, but we have some REALLY huge games coming up soon.

[RJ2kWJ]

Atta boy Melchionni, played great tonight.

We sucked it up a bunch in the 1st half but kept it close, then played a very good second half. I'm happy, but I'm not ready to declare them a "scary" team come tourny time. This was an ill, beat up nc state team that's lost 3 terrible games in a row. Good road win, great second half effort, but we have some REALLY huge games coming up soon.
Not TOO soon. These next 5 should be a piece of cake. *knocks on wood*

[bustdstuff]

Not TOO soon. These next 5 should be a piece of cake. *knocks on wood*

Nothings a "piece of cake" with three palyers down.

[clayj41]

Duke will win by at least 20 tonite.Jules from Harlem ain't gonna be able to do it by himself.

At least he won't win ACC player of the year again.

[bustdstuff]

At least he won't win ACC player of the year again.

That's Reddick's honor this year. :D

[haildmb]

That's Reddick's honor this year. :D


You beat me to it ;)

[bustdstuff]

You beat me to it ;)


;) :D :lol

[clayj41]

That's Reddick's honor this year. :D

I can't disagree with you. McCants looked really good earlier in the year, but he hasn't been scoring as much. He still has a great FG%, but everyone else is stepping up, and they're playing great team ball.

[Third Floor]

guys, i think your forgetting about the real best player in the acc.
a little guy from lewisville, NC by the name chris paul.

[clayj41]

guys, i think your forgetting about the real best player in the acc.
a little guy from lewisville, NC by the name chris paul.

No one in the ACC is playing better than Reddick right now. I think it will end up being a 3 man race between Paul, Reddick,and McCants though. I feel that McCants will come up big when needed.

[Third Floor]

1-6 last night.
he's playing really well

[clayj41]

1-6 last night.
he's playing really well

Leading the ACC in scoring though, and one bad game doesn't ruin his year.

[haildmb]

1-6 last night.
he's playing really well


yeah and Chris Paul's 4-11 effort against Illinois was really POY worthy.

Reddick had an off game, big deal.

[bustdstuff]

1-6 last night.
he's playing really well

Off night from the floor, but he still hit 100% from the line.