Preseason NCAA Basketball Poll is released

[Third Floor]

wake a four seed. i can take that.

[UNC41]

on ESPN.com, Joe Lunardi already has his first edition of 2006 bracketology up. interesting to look it, even though a lot will change in the coming weeks. it'll be fun to see how he changes his seeding as players jump to the NBA.

#1 seeds - Duke, UConn, 'Nova, Oklahoma

other thread notables.....

UNC - #2 seed
Illinois - #6 seed
Kansas - #5 seed
Wake Forest - #4 seed
Arizona - #5 seed
Syracuse - #7 seed
NC State - #10 seed

http://sports-att.espn.go.com/ncb/bracketology

I think a 4 is high for Wake without Paul, and that the way it is looking a 2 will be high for UNC. Texas should definately be higher, as should Louisville and Wisconsin. Its easy to say now and I'm sure what I think will be totally wrong come next year.

[bustdstuff]

on ESPN.com, Joe Lunardi already has his first edition of 2006 bracketology up. interesting to look it, even though a lot will change in the coming weeks. it'll be fun to see how he changes his seeding as players jump to the NBA.

#1 seeds - Duke, UConn, 'Nova, Oklahoma

other thread notables.....

UNC - #2 seed
Illinois - #6 seed
Kansas - #5 seed
Wake Forest - #4 seed
Arizona - #5 seed
Syracuse - #7 seed
NC State - #10 seed

http://sports-att.espn.go.com/ncb/bracketology

The only one seed I wonder about right now is UCONN. They were streaky at best this past sesason, and Villinueva leaving definetly leaves a hole in the middle. Illinois could be a little highly ranked with everyone that is and could be bolting. But, I'll admit I don't know a whole lot about their recruiting class.
NC State seems about right. I will always feel bad for Julius Hodge, he's one of those players that deserved to get a shot at playing for his 'one shining moment'.

[Third Floor]

I think a 4 is high for Wake without Paul, and that the way it is looking a 2 will be high for UNC. Texas should definately be higher, as should Louisville and Wisconsin. Its easy to say now and I'm sure what I think will be totally wrong come next year.
yeah it will be hard without mccants, may, or marvin next year. and felton still hasnt said.

[UNC41]

yeah it will be hard without mccants, may, or marvin next year. and felton still hasnt said.

The only one that has declared thus far is McCants, May and Marvin haven't declared yet. They could easily lose all 4 players, which would leave a 2 seed as way too high.

[Third Floor]

The only one that has declared thus far is McCants, May and Marvin haven't declared yet. They could easily lose all 4 players, which would leave a 2 seed as way too high.

http://nbadraft.net/draftbuzz035.asp

may and marvin to declare

[UNC41]

http://nbadraft.net/draftbuzz035.asp

may and marvin to declare

Doh

The one basketball website out of four that I look at daily has that information up.

[Third Floor]

ha..

[UNC41]

ha..

National Champions.

Ha..... :D

[bustdstuff]

I just wanted to throw this out there for all you peeps suffering from the NBA bug right now. I went through it a few years ago, and it sucks, but now I am set to reap the benefits of having such a fabulous coaching staff.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/columns/story?columnist=katz_andy&id=2037917


(I might just have to stick with the Duke avy through the off season :evil)

[TwoStepFF]

National Champions.

Ha..... :D
so who from unc has said they will be eligable for the draft, I know McCants, anyone else?

[watchtower41]

http://nbadraft.net/draftbuzz035.asp

may and marvin to declare

:rolleyes
SHOCKING. So much for being faithful to good ole Roy.

[UNC41]

so who from unc has said they will be eligable for the draft, I know McCants, anyone else?

McCants has said he will for sure. Third Floor just posted a link saying May and Marvin are going to, and Felton is going to announce later this week from what I've heard.

[seekupig]

McCants has said he will for sure. Third Floor just posted a link saying May and Marvin are going to, and Felton is going to announce later this week from what I've heard.

they're all gone. believe it.

[clayj41]

McCants has said he will for sure. Third Floor just posted a link saying May and Marvin are going to, and Felton is going to announce later this week from what I've heard.

:lorraine

[JimiThang1]

http://www.nbadraft.net/draftbuzz035.asp

Here's another article about May and Williams.

[UNC41]

they're all gone. believe it.

I've been believing it for the past week and half. While I wish it wouldn't be happening I'm not even going to attempt to whine at all, because I wouldn't trade the championship for returning players.

[UNC41]

http://www.nbadraft.net/draftbuzz035.asp

Here's another article about May and Williams.

If by another article you mean the exact same one then you are correct.

[bdb23]

http://cbs.sportsline.com/collegebasketball/story/8401316

Oh well.

[UNC41]

Marvin's dad said that Marvin, May, and Felton will all have a press conference Friday. He also said that the last time he talked to Marvin he was leaning towards staying. Lets hope so.

http://www.heraldsun.com/sports/18-599052.html

[seekupig]

Marvin's dad said that Marvin, May, and Felton will all have a press conference Friday. He also said that the last time he talked to Marvin he was leaning towards staying. Lets hope so.

http://www.heraldsun.com/sports/18-599052.html

i'm starting to hear word around here that all three UNC players left (Marvin, May, and Felton) may be staying and are just making a dramatic production out of announcing their intent to return (similar to what Roy did at Kansas when he turned UNC down the first time). Let everyone make the worst possible assumptions by not saying anything at all, then make the entire school drop to their knees and give you head when you do the exact opposite. we'll know soon enough........:ggoat :hump

[haildmb]

i heard on espn last night that marvin is leaning toward staying but may and felton are probably gonna go

[UNC41]

i'm starting to hear word around here that all three UNC players left (Marvin, May, and Felton) may be staying and are just making a dramatic production out of announcing their intent to return (similar to what Roy did at Kansas when he turned UNC down the first time). Let everyone make the worst possible assumptions by not saying anything at all, then make the entire school drop to their knees and give you head when you do the exact opposite. we'll know soon enough........:ggoat :hump

I would absolutely love that, but won't believe it until its announced.

[seekupig]

I would absolutely love that, but won't believe it until its announced.

when Roy turned down UNC and had a press-conference to announce he was staying at Kansas, i was watching local news. everyone in town thought that he was announcing his decision to come to UNC (even the news people). the press conference started and the first words out of Roy's mouth were "i'm staying." i was on the couch sitting between two UNC fans and jumped up screaming and yelling and ran out of the house.

if they are dragging this out, it'll be a moment you'll never forget.

[UNC41]

when Roy turned down UNC and had a press-conference to announce he was staying at Kansas, i was watching local news. everyone in town thought that he was announcing his decision to come to UNC (even the news people). the press conference started and the first words out of Roy's mouth were "i'm staying." i was on the couch sitting between two UNC fans and jumped up screaming and yelling and ran out of the house.

if they are dragging this out, it'll be a moment you'll never forget.

I don't doubt I'll feel that way. Last night alone I got 5 calls saying goodbye to everyone.

[Third Floor]

ACC Sports Journal is now reporting it.
http://blog.850thebuzz.com//230
felton will have an agent
may wont,
marvin is unsure

[UNC41]

With all the different rumors from different sources I won't be convinced of anything happening until they give announcements. I think there is a good possibility they could all leave, but I'll wait to see what they have to say.

[Third Floor]

what rumors do you here saying their staying?
all reliable sources ive seen say goodbye

[UNC41]

what rumors do you here saying their staying?
all reliable sources ive seen say goodbye

On Sportscenter last night a reporter was down in Chapel Hill and had talked to May and Marvin. He said his impressions fromt those two were that May would leave that that it really appeared that Marvin will be around another year. Also, Seekupig isn't a news source, but he knows his shit about basketball in that area and has said some people are talking that they may all stay.

[Third Floor]

all stay? thats shit. if any stay its marvin. may migh stay, but hes declaring like eric williams.

[seekupig]

from scout.com. recruiting classes for next year.........
i'm not quite sure of how they are ranking teams, but oh well.

http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=75&p=9&c=14&yr=2005

[bustdstuff]

So the news from espn.com is that Patrick Ewing Jr. is leaving IU to go to his fathers alma mater Gtown. Is this the begining of the end for Mike Davis? This is quite a coup for J Thompson III, now just gotta wait and see what he can do with him.

[clayj41]

Patrick Ewing Jr. absolutely sucks. He's athletic as hell and can jump with the best of them, but he really has very little basketball skill. He should just go back to playing soccer.

[bustdstuff]

Patrick Ewing Jr. absolutely sucks. He's athletic as hell and can jump with the best of them, but he really has very little basketball skill. He should just go back to playing soccer.

:thumbsup

I was mentioning it because of the fact that everyone knows his name, and it looks like a big defection for Mike Davis.

[clayj41]

:thumbsup

I was mentioning it because of the fact that everyone knows his name, and it looks like a big defection for Mike Davis.

I agree. A lot of people are gonna make a big deal about it because his name is Patrick Ewing Jr. Oh well, I hope he has fun playing wherever he decides to go. It doesn't matter, his daddy is gonna take care of him for the rest of his life.

[bustdstuff]

We all know that he'll never even live up to his cousin Daniel on the college level, nevermind his father.

[gbs3769]

I'll take any opportunity to harrass the Ewing family.

- Matt

[UNC41]

And Carolina loses all three today. I kind of figured it would be this way. So much for a repeat, but its the best decision for all of them.

[unccrombie]

just got home to witness the news, everyone's gone, ouch. well at least we dont have to expect much next year

[haildmb]

good to see Shelden Williams' is staying. Duke heads back to the top where they belong next year

[gbs3769]

Nova is going to win it all next year.

- Matt

[cmdace18]

um, UCONN peoples, UCONN

[paris72]

good to see Shelden Williams' is staying. Duke heads back to the top where they belong next year

Booooo















:p

[RJ2kWJ]

good to see Shelden Williams' is staying. Duke heads back to the top where they belong next year

:thumbsup ....

[unccrombie]

Nova is going to win it all next year.

- Matt
:thumbsup sumpter is key

[seekupig]

um, UCONN peoples, UCONN

:thumbsdow won't even win their conference.

[mizzoudmbfan]

Hey guys, havnt really been around much lately, considering the fact that my school dosnt have a basketball program anymore there really isnt a need to stay up on the NCAA basketball thread. Ferguson quit, Laurie is transfering to the newly named Missouri State University, and Kleiza is entering the draft(not hiring an agent, but I highly doubt he will ever dawn the black and gold again). Hope everyones offseason is going better than ours(sorry UNC).

later,
Rob

[seekupig]

Hey guys, havnt really been around much lately, considering the fact that my school dosnt have a basketball program anymore there really isnt a need to stay up on the NCAA basketball thread. Ferguson quit, Laurie is transfering to the newly named Missouri State University, and Kleiza is entering the draft(not hiring an agent, but I highly doubt he will ever dawn the black and gold again). Hope everyones offseason is going better than ours(sorry UNC).

later,
Rob

don't worry, you'll always be able to beat KU at Mizzou. rumor has it that Mizzou students already bought all of the available Bucknell shirts to wear at next years KU/Mizzou game. that will be funny.:lol

[UNC41]

Is it March yet?

[seekupig]

Is it March yet?

:lol

know how you feel. this is the worst time of year for sports (my opinion. i hate baseball.). at least it's concert season now (going to see Sister Hazel this afternoon:multi ).

[UNC41]

I love baseball too, but not nearly as much in the first couple months when people overvalue everything.

[seekupig]

I love baseball too, but not nearly as much in the first couple months when people overvalue everything.

i can agree with that. i like the playoffs, but have a very hard time getting excited over the first 130 games of a 162 game season. the season is entirely to long and the Royals have no shot, so i lose interest. college basketball (Kansas Jayhawks), college football (Kansas Jayhawks :D ), NFL (Kansas City Chiefs), and NASCAR (Tony Stewart) are the only things that keep my interest from start to finish.

[UNC41]

After watching tonight's Nuggets vs. Spurs game, which was a classic through regulation, two thoughts concerning college basketball popped into my mind.

1. I wish we would have seen Kenyon Martin play in the NCAA his senior year. The way he attacks the basket really allowed him to dominate the college game, while it makes him just a very good pro player. Cinci could have made a run that year, it would have been fun to watch

2. For the first time in the NBA I saw the Carmello from the 2003 NCAA tournament. He had a heck of a year last year, but he truly looked special during the 4th quarter tonight.

[ousooner]

After watching tonight's Nuggets vs. Spurs game, which was a classic through regulation, two thoughts concerning college basketball popped into my mind.

1. I wish we would have seen Kenyon Martin play in the NCAA his senior year. The way he attacks the basket really allowed him to dominate the college game, while it makes him just a very good pro player. Cinci could have made a run that year, it would have been fun to watch

2. For the first time in the NBA I saw the Carmello from the 2003 NCAA tournament. He had a heck of a year last year, but he truly looked special during the 4th quarter tonight.

It wasn't the tournament, but I got to see him his senior year :D . He came into to Norman over Christmas break and dropped around 25 on us and totally dominated. Cincy had been ranked #1 and was coming off a loss, I think there first one that season. I think he is the best player I have ever seen live.

[gbs3769]

2. For the first time in the NBA I saw the Carmello from the 2003 NCAA tournament. He had a heck of a year last year, but he truly looked special during the 4th quarter tonight.

We really missed him the past two years.

- Matt

[seekupig]

After watching tonight's Nuggets vs. Spurs game, which was a classic through regulation, two thoughts concerning college basketball popped into my mind.

1. I wish we would have seen Kenyon Martin play in the NCAA his senior year. The way he attacks the basket really allowed him to dominate the college game, while it makes him just a very good pro player. Cinci could have made a run that year, it would have been fun to watch

2. For the first time in the NBA I saw the Carmello from the 2003 NCAA tournament. He had a heck of a year last year, but he truly looked special during the 4th quarter tonight.

good points, but there's not a major college basketball team that couldn't think back to one player or year and think "if he'd stayed..........."

"nobody would be talking about Syracuse winning a national title if Drew Gooden had stayed one more year..........." :D

[UNC41]

good points, but there's not a major college basketball team that couldn't think back to one player or year and think "if he'd stayed..........."

"nobody would be talking about Syracuse winning a national title if Drew Gooden had stayed one more year..........." :D

I agree, except with you thinking that Roy will ever win a title :D .

However, after a couple of beers and a good NBA game those thoughts slipped into my mind.

[unccrombie]

I agree, except with you thinking that Roy will ever win a title :D .

However, after a couple of beers and a good NBA game those thoughts slipped into my mind.
the nba is only "good" come playoff time anyways

[seekupig]

I agree, except with you thinking that Roy will ever win a title :D .


what i meant was..... Roy will never win a title with HIS players...:D ;)

[unccrombie]

what i meant was..... Roy will never win a title with HIS players...:D ;)
he's got a hell of a task ahead of him :shudders:

[seekupig]

he's got a hell of a task ahead of him :shudders:

he's good at doing a lot with a little. his only season at KU with less than 20 wins was his first year there when they were on probation, and that was a 19 win season. they'll struggle early, but i'd expect them to be pretty good by the end of the year as the young players become more comfortable.

[dmb1spe]

Don't know if any of you have heard this, but UK's Chuck Hayes was accused of rape in the athletic dorm Wildcat Lodge on campus. This would severely hurt his draft stock in my opinion. I'll try and find a link. One sec...

Edit... here's the link to the story from a Louisville paper.. http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050501/SPORTS03/505010374/1002/SPORTS

[UNC41]

what i meant was..... Roy will never win a title with HIS players...:D ;)

:lol

touche

[unccrombie]

saw on the bottom line yesterday that katz reported dee brown is declaring for the draft

[UNC41]

saw on the bottom line yesterday that katz reported dee brown is declaring for the draft

He's declaring, but odds of him staying in the draft aren't too good.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2054184

[seekupig]

He's declaring, but odds of him staying in the draft aren't too good.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2054184

doesn't matter. Illinois 15 minutes are up.

[paris72]

Truly sad. Stating a heart attack...at 20?
http://www.wkusports.com/news.cgi?article=3599

[unccrombie]

could have had a heart condition

[rcarlsn612]

i was thinking last night, i really hope marvin williams doesn't fade into obscurity in Charlotte

[UNC41]

Shav declared for the draft.

http://duke.scout.com/2/378862.html

:lol :lol :lol

[seekupig]

Shav declared for the draft.

http://duke.scout.com/2/378862.html

:lol :lol :lol

i wouldn't laugh, that's good for Duke if he does.

[unccrombie]

the lack of big men at duke. sheldon will get in foul trouble then they'll lose

[UNC41]

i wouldn't laugh, that's good for Duke if he does.

It may be better for Duke but it is still hillarious.

[ousooner]

Never say die! Bringin' it back!! :D

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2005/columns/story?id=2063740

I thought this was a good read. Gerald Green is going to Oklahoma St if he doesn't go pro. What school did Doug Gottlieb play at? You guessed it, Oklahoma St. Regardless, good read.

[gbs3769]

In other news, Billy Edelin will not be back at Syracuse next year.

- Matt

[UNC41]

Never say die! Bringin' it back!! :D

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2005/columns/story?id=2063740

I thought this was a good read. Gerald Green is going to Oklahoma St if he doesn't go pro. What school did Doug Gottlieb play at? You guessed it, Oklahoma St. Regardless, good read.

I always love to see this thread on the front page. There is no chance Gerald Green ends up at Oklahoma State. He's already got his ticket and luggage packed for his tripped to the lottery.

[UNC41]

J.R. Giddens was stabbed on Thursday morning at a night club. Severed artery in a leg. It's near the bottom of today's rumors here.

http://www.hoopshype.com/rumors.htm

[ousooner]

J.R. Giddens was stabbed on Thursday morning at a night club. Severed artery in a leg. It's near the bottom of today's rumors here.

http://www.hoopshype.com/rumors.htm

Wow! I heard on the news that he had been stabbed, but they said it was nothing serious. Nothing about a severed artery.

[seekupig]

:lol :lol :lol

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2005/news/story?id=2091750


Shavlik Randolph is actually STAYING in the NBA draft. Tuesday was the deadline for underclassmen to withdraw and retain NCAA eligibility. it's not going to hurt Duke at all, but i find it quite amusing that this ultimate under achiever finds himself fit for the NBA.

[ousooner]

:lol :lol :lol

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2005/news/story?id=2091750


Shavlik Randolph is actually STAYING in the NBA draft. Tuesday was the deadline for underclassmen to withdraw and retain NCAA eligibility. it's not going to hurt Duke at all, but i find it quite amusing that this ultimate under achiever finds himself fit for the NBA.

:lol
I almost posted this earlier today, but for some reason I couldn't get myself to bring this thread back. Maybe he's tired of playing basketball and this is his way of ending his career instead of just coming out and saying it.

[seekupig]

:lol
I almost posted this earlier today, but for some reason I couldn't get myself to bring this thread back.

i miss this thread. :(

[ousooner]

i miss this thread. :(

You need to join us in the college football thread. That might help you.

[seekupig]

You need to join us in the college football thread. That might help you.

i'm a Kansas fan. college football won't help me. :lol

i will be in the NFL thread here shortly though.

[haildmb]

:lol :lol :lol

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2005/news/story?id=2091750


Shavlik Randolph is actually STAYING in the NBA draft. Tuesday was the deadline for underclassmen to withdraw and retain NCAA eligibility. it's not going to hurt Duke at all, but i find it quite amusing that this ultimate under achiever finds himself fit for the NBA.


oh dear god :lol what a fuckstick

[unccrombie]

so how about that '06 season...

[haildmb]

Duke is going to steamroll, and the world will be back the way it belongs. I can't wait.

[seekupig]

so how about that '06 season...

:lol

taking a year off are we? :lol

(i'd trade a title for a down year anytime.)

[UNC41]

:lol :lol :lol

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2005/news/story?id=2091750


Shavlik Randolph is actually STAYING in the NBA draft. Tuesday was the deadline for underclassmen to withdraw and retain NCAA eligibility. it's not going to hurt Duke at all, but i find it quite amusing that this ultimate under achiever finds himself fit for the NBA.

Nobody will get in the way of McRoberts at the 4 now next year. That only means good things for Duke...Doh.

[UNC41]

:lol

taking a year off are we? :lol

(i'd trade a title for a down year anytime.)

Amen to that. This year could be really painful, but its well worth it.

[unccrombie]

:lol

taking a year off are we? :lol

(i'd trade a title for a down year anytime.)
:lol yup. picked up 4 unc shirt today for $20, getting them while i can up here

[ousooner]

i'm a Kansas fan. college football won't help me. :lol

i will be in the NFL thread here shortly though.

You never know what the fat man might be able to put together.

[seekupig]

You never know what the fat man might be able to put together.

i hear they will be decent this year, but at the end of the day they're still in the Big XII. they may get lucky and win the north but after that they're through.

[Third Floor]

Duke is going to steamroll, and the world will be back the way it belongs. I can't wait.
too bad they had that off year. life is tough when you only have 4 mcdonalds all-americans.

[haildmb]

too bad they had that off year. life is tough when you only have 4 mcdonalds all-americans.


yeah it was a rough season ;)

[bustdstuff]

:lol :lol :lol

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2005/news/story?id=2091750


Shavlik Randolph is actually STAYING in the NBA draft. Tuesday was the deadline for underclassmen to withdraw and retain NCAA eligibility. it's not going to hurt Duke at all, but i find it quite amusing that this ultimate under achiever finds himself fit for the NBA.

I'm not at all upset that Coach K gets his scholarship spot back.

[ousooner]

http://www.sportsline.com/collegebasketball/story/8593178

How they stack up now that draft deadline is over
June 24, 2005
By Gregg Doyel
CBS SportsLine.com Senior Writer


We've got a flip-flop at the top of CBS SportsLine.com's preseason Top 25.

In early April, our Pre-Preseason Top 25 had Oklahoma at No. 1, followed by Duke, Kentucky and North Carolina. In the 2½ months since, those schools have lost nine key underclassmen -- seven to the NBA, two to transfer.

Hence, SportsLine.com's new ... and improved ... Post-NBA Draft Deadline, Pre-Preseason Top 25.

1. Duke: The Blue Devils lost only junior Shavlik Randolph to the NBA Draft, which is like throwing a deck chair -- or an underachieving, 6-foot-10 forward -- off the Titanic: It doesn't matter. April rank: Second.

2. Oklahoma: After being anointed No. 1 in April, Oklahoma saw two guards transfer: Drew Lavender to Xavier, and Lawrence McKenzie to Minnesota. Whether they add draft-jilting Brandon Rush, the Sooners still will be loaded. April rank: First.

3. Louisville: We knew they'd lose Francisco Garcia to the NBA. We thought they'd lose Amir Johnson, to the NBA or academics. We had no idea 7-foot recruit Clarence Holloway wouldn't qualify. Still, the Cardinals rise because, frankly, everyone around them is falling. April rank: Fifth.

4. Gonzaga: Adam Morrison didn't even flirt with the NBA. April rank: Seventh.

5. Connecticut: Charlie Villanueva (NBA) and Antonio Kellogg (naughtiness) were thought to be gone in April, but we had no idea that recruit DeSagana Diop, er, Andrew Bynum would become an NBA pick. Then again, Bynum wasn't going to contribute much as a freshman. No -- he wasn't. Before they can be great, though, the Huskies still must clear one last hurdle: the legal situations of Marcus Williams and A.J. Price, who are reportedly being investigated for theft. We're just jolly enough to assume that'll all work out. April rank: Sixth.

6. Arizona: Hassan Adams stayed, and Chris Rodgers is coming back (whew). April rank: Eighth.

7. Nevada: Nick Fazekas was true to his word -- you should try it, Randolph Morris and Shavlik Randolph -- and put off the NBA. April rank: 10th.

8. Memphis: Memphis lost nobody to the NBA Draft. Sophomore Sean Banks and recruit Ricky Sanchez don't count; Banks was gone in February, and Sanchez wasn't going to be eligible. April rank: 15th.

9. Texas Tech: The only news out of Lubbock was an offseason knee injury to reserve Damir Suljagic, but he'll be ready by December. April rank: 14th.

10. Villanova: None of the juniors turned pro, but the health issues of Curtis Sumpter and Jason Fraser scare us. April rank: Ninth.

11. George Washington: Juniors Pops Mensah-Bonsu and Mike Hall pulled out of the draft. LSU transfer Regis Koundjia becomes eligible in December. No wonder Karl Hobbs is always smiling. April rank: 17th.

12. Texas: C.J. Miles did what? Entered the draft? And stayed in it? C.J., tell your father you love him ... but shut up. April rank: 11th.

13. Washington: The Huskies lost Nate Robinson (expected) and Martell Webster (expected), but it could have been worse. Brandon Roy returned for his senior season, and a great recruiting class will surround him. April rank: 19th.

14. Ohio State: Sorry, Thad Matta. You can't stay under the radar. Coaches all over the country are talking up your program. April rank: Unranked.

15. West Virginia: The June transfer of freshman reserve Luke Bonner to Massachusetts will hurt the Mountaineers' depth, but Kevin Pittsnogle smartly withdrew from the NBA Draft. April rank: 13th.

16. Illinois: Dee Brown's broken foot was great luck for the Illini. With Brown, the Illini will challenge for the Big Ten title. April rank: 20th.

17. Oklahoma State: The Cowboys lost no one unexpectedly, though recruit Mario Boggan might not make it -- and Keith Brumbaugh is considering OSU after withdrawing from the draft. Either way, JamesOn Curry will come back a new player after a summer of international ball. April rank: 23rd.

18. Boston College: The fall suspension of center Sean Williams, and the transfer of backup point guard Steve Hailey, hurts. If it weren't for Al Skinner, we'd drop the Eagles much farther. April rank: 12th.

19. Kansas: After being hurt in a brawl in which his role has not been determined, J.R. Giddens is TBA. Same goes for Kansas. April rank: 18th.

20. UCLA: Everyone's back that should be back. That's one heck of a spring and summer. April rank: 24th.

21. Syracuse: Losing Billy Edelin is addition by subtraction of distraction. April rank: 25th.

22. Stanford: Chris Hernandez withdrew from the draft, but we always expected him to return. So, no change. April rank: 22nd.

23. Kentucky: With Morris and Kelenna Azubuike stupidly in the draft, Tubby Smith is the only reason the Wildcats are ranked at all. April rank: Third.

24. Wake Forest: It will be tough to stay in the Top 25 without Chris Paul. It would've been impossible without Eric Williams, who withdrew from the draft. April rank: 21st.

25. Michigan State: All the underclassmen returned, and drop-offs elsewhere opened this spot. April rank: Unranked.

[haildmb]

sort of a down year coming for the ACC... but at least my Blue Devils are stacked :D

[gbs3769]

21. Syracuse: Losing Billy Edelin is addition by subtraction of distraction. April rank: 25th.

So true. We were waiting for him to leave after the debacle two years ago.

- Matt

[Giant Jew]

So true. We were waiting for him to leave after the debacle two years ago.

- Matt

Yeah im glad Edelins finally gone but now Cuse needs someone else to step up and help G-Mac or they're in trouble.

[dune]

Yeah im glad Edelins finally gone but now Cuse needs someone else to step up and help G-Mac or they're in trouble.

to me G-Mac could not have been more of a disappointment last year

[Giant Jew]

to me G-Mac could not have been more of a disappointment last year

True he didn't do very well this year but thats because he was the only player on the team that could shoot from the outside and he was forced to take too many shots from out there. His shot selection ended up being very poor:thumbsdow

[gbs3769]

to me G-Mac could not have been more of a disappointment last year

I don't really think he was that big of a disappointment. When you talked to any other head coach and asked them what their plan was on defense, every single one told you that they were going to play McNamara as tight as they could. All of the Big East coaches knew that Hakim was going to get his points and that there were other guys who could get some points but the real X-factor was Gerry so they were doubling him and pushing out on him making sure that he couldn't get any open shots.

The other thing is that he has had to change the way that he plays the game. Gerry is best when he is able to work without the ball and move to an open spot on the court, catch a pass and pull up for a long range shot. When he has to function as the point guard, he doesn't have that opportunity and his game suffers a little bit.

He still makes about 90% of his free throws and constantly hustles, the two things that most of Syracuse loves him for rather than his long range abilities. I know I'll take the guy because he hustles even if he can't hit a single three.

- Matt

[DMBfan41]

How's this for a mock draft

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=dw-mockdraft061305&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

Sean May to the Nets? I like it!!

[seekupig]

these are all guys that were underclassmen that chose to leave school early and enter the NBA draft. these are also guys that didn't get drafted at all. can anyone tell me what they all have in common?

Randolph Morris - Kentucky
Kelenna Azubiike - Kentucky
Matt Walsh - Florida
Anthony Roberson - Florida
Olu Famutimi - Arkansas
Kennedy Winston - Alabama



you got it, they're all from the S.E.C.

what a bunch of clowns..... can anyone imagine how good Jelly might be if those two guys hadn't chased the money? :lol :lol

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2005/columns/story?columnist=forde_pat&id=2096777

[hunter4268]

I am a kentucky fan, but I am glad morris did not get drafted, if he stayed at kentucky, in 2 years he would have been a lottery pick but now he will be banashed to the european league.


later Morris, you should not have listened to that agent.

:evil

P.S. Fuck Matt Walsh

Na na na na....na na na na....hay..hay..good by.

[gbs3769]

can anyone imagine how good Jelly might be if those two guys hadn't chased the money?

Good old Jelly. That is too funny.

- Matt

[unccrombie]

im suprised Azubiike didnt get drafted, really, i am

[hunter4268]

im suprised Azubiike didnt get drafted, really, i am

He might have been but he pulled a groin muscle at a workout.

[seekupig]

was anyone else suprised that Shavlik wasn't a lottery pick? :lol :lol :lol

[unccrombie]

He might have been but he pulled a groin muscle at a workout.
that i didnt know

[RhodyDMBFan]

LET'S GO HAWKS!!! With both SJU teams nationally ranked preseason, we're looking forward to some good times ahead.

Jameer and Delonte (and the rest of the guys for that matter) are looking great and Phil Martelli just signed on as coach for 7 more years yesterday!

As a URI grad I hate SJU. I was so happy when our mascot beat up yours ;)

[UNC41]

was anyone else suprised that Shavlik wasn't a lottery pick? :lol :lol :lol

If anyone wants to come up with an argument against the age limit here's your case.

[seekupig]

If anyone wants to come up with an argument against the age limit here's your case.

:lol :lol
+1

[bdb23]

what a bunch of clowns..... can anyone imagine how good Jelly might be if those two guys hadn't chased the money? :lol :lol
:lol :thumbsup I miss this thread.

[unccrombie]

was anyone else pullin for hakim to go to denver? he was so close

[UNC41]

was anyone else pullin for hakim to go to denver? he was so close

I'm not a fan of the Nets, but he would have been a lot of fun to watch playing with J-Kidd.

[seekupig]

was anyone else pullin for hakim to go to denver? he was so close

honestly, no.

but i have my reasons for not wanting to see those two on the same team ever again. :BANG ;)

[UNC41]

honestly, no.

but i have my reasons for not wanting to see those two on the same team ever again. :BANG ;)

I didn't even think of that. Idiot.

[gbs3769]

was anyone else pullin for hakim to go to denver? he was so close

You know that the whole city was.

Of course now Melo gets to play with Julius Hodge. I guess I have no reason to even watch Denver anymore. I can't stand Hodge even if we eneded up better in the whole deal.

- Matt

[seekupig]

Of course now Melo gets to play with Julius Hodge. I guess I have no reason to even watch Denver anymore. I can't stand Hodge even if we eneded up better in the whole deal.

- Matt

why don't you like "Jules from Harlem"?

he's not near the asshole that he's made out to be. CP3 is ten times worse.

[UNC41]

why don't you like "Jules from Harlem"?

he's not near the asshole that he's made out to be. CP3 is ten times worse.

How dare you? Chris Paul is a saint... :ugh

[gbs3769]

why don't you like "Jules from Harlem"?

He was heavily recruited by SU. In fact, I believe that he verbally committed to SU. He was supposed to be part of our Fab Five recruiting class that year.

Billy Edelin
Craig Forth
Mark Konecny
Josh Pace

and the fifth was supposed to be Julius Hodge.

He chose NC State isntead and we got Hakim. I think we made out better in the end, but I still hate him and I booed him whenever he had the ball during the Syracuse Regional in the Dome.

- Matt

[seekupig]

He was heavily recruited by SU. In fact, I believe that he verbally committed to SU. He was supposed to be part of our Fab Five recruiting class that year.

Billy Edelin
Craig Forth
Mark Konecny
Josh Pace

and the fifth was supposed to be Julius Hodge.

He chose NC State isntead and we got Hakim. I think we made out better in the end, but I still hate him and I booed him whenever he had the ball during the Syracuse Regional in the Dome.

- Matt

fair enough. :thumbsup

[haildmb]

He chose NC State isntead and we got Hakim. I think we made out better in the end, but I still hate him and I booed him whenever he had the ball during the Syracuse Regional in the Dome.

- Matt


I'm not sure you got the better end of that deal. That might be my NCSU alumni bias speaking though :D

Julius was a stud, glad he went first round, I was surprised how high he went actually.

[Third Floor]

why don't you like "Jules from Harlem"?

he's not near the asshole that he's made out to be. CP3 is ten times worse.
ill get chris to punch you in the nuts for that?
but seriously, hodge is a fucking joke. no talent assclown.

[bustdstuff]

ill get chris to punch you in the nuts for that?
but seriously, hodge is a fucking joke. no talent assclown.


Yeah because all he did was strap State to his back for most of the season.

[seekupig]

ill get chris to punch you in the nuts for that?


the fact that he would actually do it makes my point for me. he's a fucking asshole. and over rated to boot.

[ousooner]

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=2097817

Giddens Transferring

Updated: June 30, 2005, 1:51 PM ET
Jayhawks' Giddens suffered knife wound in fightAssociated Press


LAWRENCE, Kan. -- University of Kansas guard J.R. Giddens will leave the school's basketball team for another school, coach Bill Self said Friday.

Giddens, who would have been the Jayhawks' leading returning scorer, is recovering from a knife wound he suffered in a bar fight in Lawrence.

"We've talked numerous times about this and basically last night, we came to the conclusion together that it was in his best interests and our best interests to part ways and go in different directions," Self said.

Self said Giddens had not decided where he would transfer.

Giddens, 20, and five others were injured in the fight outside the Moon Bar on May 19. An artery in Giddens' right calf was cut and the wound required 30 stitches.

Police have received conflicting accounts from those involved and witnesses about what led to the altercation.

The 6-foot-5 Giddens would have been a junior on what will be one of the youngest teams in the Big 12 next year. He averaged just more than 10 points last season and was criticized for his inconsistency and poor defense.

"We have responsibility as players here to wear the uniform with pride and understand the responsibility that goes along with wearing the uniform," the coach said.

Self said the Kansas basketball program is "not broken."

"This was a bad situation," he said. "We believe it was an isolated situation, but one that has certainly, and rightly so, has created a stir in our program."

As a freshman, Giddens averaged 11 points, shot 40 percent from 3-point range and was named to the All-Big 12 freshman team.

[seekupig]

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=2097817

Giddens Transferring

bummer. now we'll have to find someone else to go 2 for 27 from behind the arc every night.


+1 for the find. have another green light on me.....

[ousooner]

bummer. now we'll have to find someone else to go 2 for 27 from behind the arc every night.

Come on, this is the same guy that everyone was saying was NBA bound after his freshman season. Maybe it's time for good ol' JR to come home.

[seekupig]

Come on, this is the same guy that everyone was saying was NBA bound after his freshman season. Maybe it's time for good ol' JR to come home.

after his freshman season, yes. the minute an NBA scout stepped foot in the building this past season he was a different person. he's a good player, but he took a big step back this past season.

my prediction...... UNC.

[ousooner]

after his freshman season, yes. the minute an NBA scout stepped foot in the building this past season he was a different person. he's a good player, but he took a big step back this past season.

my prediction...... UNC.

Yeah, I doubt he would want to come back to Oklahoma with his tail between his legs. Sampson doesn't put up with too much bs anyway and even less from a guy he's providing a second chance to. The last troubled transfer he took was a McDonalds All American guard that transferred from Kentucky. Can't remember his name. That guy screwed up and was out before he ever got on the court. I could see Roy giving him a shot since he's the one that originally recruited him.

[clayj41]

God, I love this thread. You know what else I love, Greg Oden verbally committing to Ohio State. It's hilarious hearing all of the hardcore IU fans bitch about it. :lol

[bustdstuff]

I heard today the OSU's H.S. class is now considered the #1 in the country. We'll see.

[seekupig]

I heard today the OSU's H.S. class is now considered the #1 in the country. We'll see.

if it's true, they have the NBA age restriction to thank. doesn't really matter, at the end of the day "duke is duke...." ah, nevermind...... you know the rest.;)

[buck]

was anyone else suprised that Shavlik wasn't a lottery pick? :lol :lol :lol
i knew shav wasn't going to get picked, but i really liked him. met him in nyc after the st. john's , and he was a really nice guy. i know he never panned out, but i do think he was more or less damaged goods since he got to duke (he's had hip problems since his junior year in high school). but aparrently shav bucked the trend that non-impact players become lottery picks (mccants).

[bustdstuff]

if it's true, they have the NBA age restriction to thank. doesn't really matter, at the end of the day "duke is duke...." ah, nevermind...... you know the rest.;)

",and their on TV more than 'Leave It To Beaver' reruns" Anyway, didn't OSU take themselves out of post-season play next year also?

[Third Floor]

the fact that he would actually do it makes my point for me. he's a fucking asshole. and over rated to boot.1 mistake and your all over the kid? wow. chris is one of the nicest guys ive ever met.
assholes in the acc are hodge and, kyrsyasjdahkski, and reddick. those are the guys who have a history of doing worthless shit, not chris who has 1 example.

[Third Floor]

God, I love this thread. You know what else I love, Greg Oden verbally committing to Ohio State. It's hilarious hearing all of the hardcore IU fans bitch about it. :lol
oden and conely. top player of 2006, and a top 5 pg. its too bad theyll never see the post season. how osu and all their problems was able to lure them away from wake is anyones guess.

[ousooner]

http://oklahoma.rivals.com/commitlist.asp?sport=2&year=2006&school=57

For a program that relies so heavily on juco talent to compete with the big boys of college basketball, Kelvin Sampson is putting together a banner recruiting class of highschool players this year. According to Rivals, he's landed two 5 star small forwards (#11 and #24 nationally), and one 4 star point guard (#88 nationally).

[HolyCow]

Booooooomer!!!!!

[seekupig]

1 mistake and your all over the kid? wow. chris is one of the nicest guys ive ever met.
assholes in the acc are hodge and, kyrsyasjdahkski, and reddick. those are the guys who have a history of doing worthless shit, not chris who has 1 example.

***NEWSFLASH***

you going to the same school and having met him doesn't make him any less of a piece of shit than he really is...............although i do applaud your school spirit. :)
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

can you name one thing that hodge, "kyryasjdahkski," or reddick has done that is worse than what chris paul did to jules?

didn't think so.

[haildmb]

1 mistake and your all over the kid? wow. chris is one of the nicest guys ive ever met.
assholes in the acc are hodge and, kyrsyasjdahkski, and reddick. those are the guys who have a history of doing worthless shit, not chris who has 1 example.


coach K has a history of doing worthless shit? Boy I'd like even a brief summary of that history. Same with Reddick. And Julius.

What's it going to be, for Jules: had a run-in with Steve Blake freshman year. That's it. For Reddick: cocky when he torches other teams? And for K, he wins all the time?

[seekupig]

coach K has a history of doing worthless shit? Boy I'd like even a brief summary of that history. Same with Reddick. And Julius.

What's it going to be, for Jules: had a run-in with Steve Blake freshman year. That's it. For Reddick: cocky when he torches other teams? And for K, he wins all the time?

:thumbsup thank you, sir.




(i see you left Raleigh) how's baltimore treating you?

[ousooner]

coach K has a history of doing worthless shit? Boy I'd like even a brief summary of that history. Same with Reddick. And Julius.

What's it going to be, for Jules: had a run-in with Steve Blake freshman year. That's it. For Reddick: cocky when he torches other teams? And for K, he wins all the time?

Anyone that dislikes Coach K is just a hater!

[seekupig]

Anyone that dislikes Coach K is just a hater!

i don't like that rat bastard.





i drink hatorade for breakfast, lunch and dinner.

[haildmb]

:thumbsup thank you, sir.




(i see you left Raleigh) how's baltimore treating you?


i'm liking it up here so far :) the drivers up here piss me off more than raleigh drivers, that's amazing

[UNC41]

coach K has a history of doing worthless shit?

American Express commercial? I kid, I kid. :cool

[ousooner]

2006 Bracketology (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/bracketology)

This may be old news, but I just found it.

[gbs3769]

'Nova is going to be so good this year. I wish that the schedules were out...

- Matt

[ousooner]

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/columns/story?columnist=katz_andy&id=2100706

No time for rest as classes of 2006 shape up
By Andy Katz

Ahh, the summer recruiting season.

It's the time when college coaches try to lock up rising seniors while chasing them from Indianapolis to New Jersey to Atlanta to Augusta, Ga., to Las Vegas to Orlando and plenty of points in between.

It all starts Wednesday.

But for many, the suspense is all but gone.

There are a host of schools who can narrow their focus by looking at one or two players for a final spot in the Class of 2006 or home in on rising juniors for next spring.

The early leader in the clubhouse for most anticipated recruiting class is Ohio State.

Don't be surprised to see Thad Matta and staff floating by on their way to one of their destinations this month. The Buckeyes already have locked up one of the most anticipated recruiting classes in school history, all before the evaluation period for college coaches begins Wednesday.

The Buckeyes got commitments from the top player in the Class of 2006, center Greg Oden, along with Lawrence North (Indianapolis) teammate and point guard Mike Conley. Ohio State already had commitments from wings David Lighty and Daequan Cook, two of the top players in the state of Ohio (from Cleveland and Dayton, respectively).

Ohio State isn't done yet, but if the Buckeyes don't get another player, they'll still be looked at as a potential Big Ten title contender in 2006-07.

Who are the other big winners before the recruiting period even begins? With the help of Scout.com, here's who has been pounding the pavement and working the phone lines better than everyone else so far:

Duke: The Blue Devils did what they do best -- lock up players before the competition gets a good look. Duke has commitments from five-star players Gerald Henderson from Merion, Pa., and Jon Scheyer out of Glenbrook, Ill., and four-star center Brian Zoubek out of Haddonfield, N.J.

Texas: The Longhorns got the second-best player in the class, five-star Kevin Durant out of Rockville, Md. Durant can't go to the NBA now and isn't heading to prep school, so he'll be in a Texas uniform for at least one season. The Longhorns also picked up a commitment from shooting guard Justin Mason out of Amarillo.

North Carolina: The Tar Heels are right on Duke's back with the commitment of point guard Tywon Lawson out of Oak Hill Academy (Va.), shooting guard Wayne Ellington out of Merion, Pa., and small forward William Graves out of Greensboro, N.C. Lawson will go to UNC now instead of flirting with the NBA.

Oklahoma: The Sooners picked up three commitments already, and Scout.com gave them high praise with small forward Damion James, a five-star pick out of Nacogdoches, Texas; and four-star picks small forward Keith Clark out of Oklahoma City and shooting guard Scott Reynolds out of Herndon, Va.

And here are some schools facing some pressure this summer:

Cincinnati: The Bearcats are fighting against the appearance that Bob Huggins, who has only two years remaining on his contract, is a lame duck. This is a key recruiting class for the future of this program, but Scout.com lists only one pickup so far for 2006 -- one-star Nick Aldridge out of South Webster, Ohio.

Villanova: The Wildcats are loaded this year, with seniors at every position but point guard, but need help for 2006-07. So far, the Wildcats are doing fine with commitments from frontline players Andrew Ott, a three-star stud from Philadelphia, four-star Reggie Redding from Philly and three-star Kraidon Woods out of Swiftwater, Pa.

Boston College: The Eagles should make a splash in the ACC in year one, but Craig Smith will be gone after this season and Jared Dudley could skip his senior season in 2006-07 for the NBA. That puts even more heat on getting the right fit for the Eagles. Scout.com didn't list any 2006 commitments.

Michigan State: The Spartans have a veteran team returning next season, but that means this recruiting class is critical to the Spartans' maintaining their level of excellence. No commitments for 2006 are listed on Scout.com.

Tennessee: New coach Bruce Pearl has to show he can recruit the South with this first full recruiting class. The Vols got one stud so far -- four-star Marques Johnson out of Fort Wayne, Ind. Pearl still needs to find players in the South.

Outside of recruiting, there are a few other things to keep an eye on:

The Larry Brown watch. If Brown doesn't return to the Detroit Pistons, Michigan State coach Tom Izzo and Kentucky coach Tubby Smith become likely candidates, along with a number of coaches in the NBA pool.

Seton Hall's Louis Orr. The school had to rebut a recent New York Post report that it could be moving toward a buyout of Orr. Either way, Orr appears to be on some shaky ground and, although it would seem odd to remove him in July, anything is possible with a program heading south in a loaded 16-team Big East.

NABC early-entry push The coaches' association is pushing for an early, early, early-entry deadline for college underclassmen of the first Monday after the NCAA championship game, with a deadline on deciding to stay in the draft coming 72 hours later.

This move clearly would favor coaches since it would eliminate the testing process, although at least one coach, Saint Joseph's Phil Martelli (who has had three straight seasons of dealing with a player testing the draft process), has no issue with a player's declaring as long as he gets good advice.

Andy Katz is a senior writer at ESPN.com.

[bustdstuff]

Duke: The Blue Devils did what they do best -- lock up players before the competition gets a good look. Duke has commitments from five-star players Gerald Henderson from Merion, Pa., and Jon Scheyer out of Glenbrook, Ill., and four-star center Brian Zoubek out of Haddonfield, N.J.

Would anyone expect less?


North Carolina: The Tar Heels are right on Duke's back with the commitment of point guard Tywon Lawson out of Oak Hill Academy (Va.), shooting guard Wayne Ellington out of Merion, Pa., and small forward William Graves out of Greensboro, N.C. Lawson will go to UNC now instead of flirting with the NBA.

Good to see that Roy isn't going to hand second in the ACC to BC without a fight.

[gbs3769]

The Big East announced the league opponents for each team today.

I think UConn got the toughest draw, playing Syracuse, Villanova and Louisville twice.

http://bigeast.collegesports.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/070705aah.html

I'm looking forward to my Basketball tickets for this year, I'll get to see Cincinatti, UConn, Louisville, Villanova, West Virginia, Rutgers, Seton Hall, South Florida and then the out of conference opponents. Full SU schedule will be announced in September.

- Matt

[watchtower41]

Hey kids, its been awhile..... hope everyone is having an ok summer without college hoops around. So anyways, now that Morris DID NOT get drafted just like his partner in crime 'Buikie, he is trying to claim that he never had an agent so he can return to Jelly U......thoughts??? Neither of those kids should have left KY, and now the one talent on the team, Rondo is the one that suffers without any support. Btw, havent been back all summer... good riddance, Giddens. Never saw a 3 he didnt like anyways.....seekupig will appreciate this as well, Did also run into Eric Chenowith at Tweeter Chicago show, I was a tad bit under the table... went right up to him, said, "I went to Kansas, Rock Chalk.... thanks for nothing." Needless to say, that was better than Where Are U Going on that particular night... damn kid ruined Kenny Gregory's career

[seekupig]

JR Giddens transferred to New Mexico if anyone here gives a shit. i thought for sure he was going to UNC.......:lol

[watchtower41]

I'm sure Lobos nation will happy to see him arrive in the Pit. They havent been this excited over there since Kenny Thomas..... interesting enough though, the ESPN article on the transfer makes it sound like Kansas pushed Giddens out after the brawl, there is definitely more than meets the eye with that situation.


In other great exciting news, Kansas and Arizona will square off in the first round of the Maui Invatational this November. Great field.....

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=2106882

[UNC41]

JR Giddens transferred to New Mexico if anyone here gives a shit. i thought for sure he was going to UNC.......:lol

Yessssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss!

[seekupig]

interesting enough though, the ESPN article on the transfer makes it sound like Kansas pushed Giddens out after the brawl, there is definitely more than meets the eye with that situation.




he announced his intentions to transfer without having a school to transfer to.

he announced his intentions to transfer after a late night meeting with Bill Self.


IMO he was kicked off of the team and they allowed him to say he was transferring to save face.

[unccrombie]

time for college hoops again?!!? ohhhh, its only july :(

[seekupig]

time for college hoops again?!!? ohhhh, its only july :(

:lol

you know we gotta revive this thread at least once a month to keep it fresh.

[unccrombie]

:lol so true, i havent looked at anything related to CBB since april, ill be lost until november. i need to focus on my 49ers right now :(

[seekupig]

:lol so true, i havent looked at anything related to CBB since april, ill be lost until november. i need to focus on my 49ers right now :(

it's gonna take more than your focus to make the 49ers a contender this year, although i do commend your dedication.;)

GO CHIEFS!!!!

[bustdstuff]

:lol so true, i havent looked at anything related to CBB since april, ill be lost until november. i need to focus on my 49ers right now :(

If I were you I would just keep worrying about UNC.

On another note I do love seeing this pop up in my CP. :D

[seekupig]

well boys and girls, it turns out that Roy Williams isn't the saint he's been made out to be. this also may help explain why he went to UNC three years after turning them down the first time. yes, Roy Williams approved payments to players......



http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=2108889

LAWRENCE, Kan. -- Roy Williams violated NCAA rules when he was the basketball coach at Kansas, approving payments to players who had used up their eligibility, the school said Friday.

After conducting an internal review, the school said Williams -- preparing for his third season at national champion North Carolina -- approved payments to graduating players and other Jayhawk players who had exhausted their eligibility.


there's more to the the article in the link above....

[haildmb]

yep, saw this today while I was at work

too bad it can't bite carolina in the ass too much

[seekupig]

yep, saw this today while I was at work

too bad it can't bite carolina in the ass too much

we can only he's already done the same thing at Carolina. if the NCAA wants a place to start looking, i'll be happy to help them out.

MICHAEL JORDAN NISSAN IN CHAPEL HILL

UNC players have been getting great deals on "leases" there for years.....

[haildmb]

we can only he's already done the same thing at Carolina. if the NCAA wants a place to start looking, i'll be happy to help them out.

MICHAEL JORDAN NISSAN IN CHAPEL HILL

UNC players have been getting great deals on "leases" there for years.....


come on Roy, screw carolina over! they deserve it, after their treatment of doherty/guthridge

edit: not to mention just the fact that they're carolina

[bustdstuff]

This would be the perfect time for UNC to go on sanctions since they're going to have a few down years. Duke should surely be ruling the ACC for a while.

[seekupig]

:lol :lol :lol



Heels? Ex-UNC Players Charge Fans For Autographs



POSTED: 7:02 pm EDT May 20, 2005


RALEIGH, N.C. -- Five former members of the national championship University of North Carolina basketball team were at a local shopping mall Friday night as part of a promotional event in which they charged people to autograph memorabilia.


Raymond Felton, Marvin Williams, Jawad Williams, Melvin Scott and Jackie Manuel charged between $10 and $35 each for an autograph at Triangle Town Center. That price was in addition to the price of any memorabilia -- basketballs, game programs, T-shirts, posters -- people bought to have autographed. Fans were also allowed to bring their own items to have signed.


The show wasn't sanctioned by UNC, but the players didn't need university approval because all five have either graduated or announced plans to leave school to pursue careers in the NBA.


Many fans lined up to get as many autographs as possible -- the promoter said the players could sign as many as 500 items an hour -- and thought the event was a good idea.


"I bought all five players' autographs and a poster," one man said.


"I think it's good to do this," another man said. "That way they don't really get bothered on the street."


But others were irritated by the notion of paying for autographs. They said fan support shouldn't be considered bothersome to athletes.


"It's kind of outrageous. The fans come out to support them, and they should just give the fans their autographs and let them buy the merchandise," one man said.


"It's kind of a rip-off, to me," another man said, saying $10 for a Melvin Scott autograph was a little steep.


Promoter Peter Delorme said the show was a good way to repay the players for all the revenue they generated for UNC while playing basketball.


"These guys haven't had a chance to make any money, so it's a great opportunity," Delorme said. "The other thing is that it's a business. The memorabilia business is now in the billions."

http://www.nbc17.com/news/4514289/detail.html

[haildmb]

"It's kind of a rip-off, to me," another man said, saying $10 for a Melvin Scott autograph was a little steep.


:lol no shit, Melvin Scott couldn't pay me to take his autograph

[ousooner]

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=2125810

Updated: Aug. 5, 2005, 1:45 PM ET
Knight says NCAA wants to eliminate NIT


NEW YORK -- Texas Tech coach Bob Knight criticized the NCAA during videotaped testimony at an antitrust trial, contending the governing body wants to get rid of the NIT.

His testimony was considered a key part of a case brought against the NCAA by five New York schools that sponsor the preseason and postseason National Invitation Tournament, which has long been eclipsed by the NCAA's championship event. The semifinals and final of the NIT are played annually at Madison Square Garden.

"I have felt as long as I have been in coaching that the NCAA has wanted to eliminate the NIT," Knight said in a deposition played in U.S. District Court in Manhattan on Thursday. As for the NCAA, he added, "it's a monopoly."

Knight was the first of several coaches, college presidents, athletic directors and economists scheduled to testify before a jury of eight women and four men who will decide whether the NCAA has violated antitrust laws.

The schools maintain that the NCAA violated the laws with a long-standing rule requiring schools to accept a bid to its postseason basketball tournament over a bid to all others.

Knight, sitting in an office in a purple sweater and at times gulping from a large plastic cup, sparred with NCAA lawyer David Grand, who asked if the Hall of Fame coach had read the entire NCAA rules manual.

"I read "War and Peace" once. I don't need to read it again," he said, drawing chuckles from the jury and the judge at one point. "I doubt there's a coach in existence that has read all the provisions for basketball in the NCAA manual."

If the rule were not in place, Knight said, he might choose to sometimes take his team to the NIT rather than the NCAA, because an inexperienced team might benefit more from NIT competition and advance further in the postseason tournament.

"The NIT is simply limited because of this rule. I see no problem with us having four tournaments," he said. "There's a lot of different ways to play for the national championship," he said, suggesting the tournament winners could compete in a final bracket.

Knight coached at Indiana for 29 years until he was fired in 2000 by the school's president, Myles Brand, now the NCAA president.

He said he was as excited when his Indiana team won the NIT in 1979 -- before the rule was in place -- as when the Hoosiers won the NCAA championship three times.

"That was as good a thrill as I've had in college basketball," he said.

He also disputed the NCAA's contention during opening statements that it came to the rescue of the NIT in the mid-1980s when it permitted the NIT to stage a preseason tournament to bolster its finances. Knight said that tournament began because of the support of the nation's coaches.

"There wasn't a single coach in America who didn't want it to happen," he said.

Knight has long supported the NIT, even taking his 1968 team, Army, there after turning down an NCAA invitation.

He said that for college basketball, it has been "an unbelievable asset against unbelievable odds, many of which were put forth by the NCAA."

I can't stand Bobby Knight, but I also think the NCAA sucks and he's right in saying that the NCAA is a monopoly.

[gbs3769]

I love the General and he's absolutely right.

- Matt

[Biscuit78]

we can only he's already done the same thing at Carolina. if the NCAA wants a place to start looking, i'll be happy to help them out.

MICHAEL JORDAN NISSAN IN CHAPEL HILL

UNC players have been getting great deals on "leases" there for years.....

:D Thank god someone finally breaks the silence:D
Just ask Stackhouse and Jamison they know the truth!

[seekupig]

both of his brothers dicked us over, let's see what little bro' decides....
he's visited Indiana in recent weeks as well.....
Rush on KU campus

J-W Staff Reports

Monday, August 15, 2005

Brandon Rush, a 6-foot-6 guard from Kansas City, started a two-day official men's basketball recruiting visit to Kansas University on Sunday.

The trip was to conclude today.

Rush, who is ranked No. 13 in the country by rivals.com, made an official recruiting visit Thursday and Friday to Indiana University following a trip to Illinois.

Sources spotted the player Sunday afternoon in Lawrence, and it was confirmed to the Journal-World that Rush indeed was in town for what is believed to be his final campus visit.

Rush declared for the NBA Draft after averaging 21 points, six rebounds and five assists last season at Mt. Zion Academy in Durham, N.C.

After attending one NBA Draft camp and working out for several NBA teams, Rush pulled his name out of the draft.

[bustdstuff]

Good luck with that.

[seekupig]

Good luck with that.

not sure yet if i actually want him to go to KU or not. have heard rumors that he may have eligibility issues and he's already tested the NBA waters so he'd probably be gone in a year anyways. sounds like he may be more of a headache than an asset. time will tell....

[bustdstuff]

not sure yet if i actually want him to go to KU or not. have heard rumors that he may have eligibility issues and he's already tested the NBA waters so he'd probably be gone in a year anyways. sounds like he may be more of a headache than an asset. time will tell....

Doesn't that suck? It's a sad time when the calibur of coaches in college is better than that of the NBA, and they still won't stay.

[ousooner]

Andy Katz's Summer Top 50

Nos. 50 - 41 (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=2134488)

Nos. 40 - 31 (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=2135162)

Nos. 30 - 21 (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=2136401)

Top 20 to come tomorrow

[unccrombie]

Doesn't that suck? It's a sad time when the calibur of coaches in college is better than that of the NBA, and they still won't stay.
mmm capitalism

[ousooner]

Andy Katz's Summer Top 50

Nos. 20 - 11 (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=2136606)

Nos. 10 - 1 (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=2137241)

[haildmb]

that's right baby, my Blue Devils up top where they belong :D

[tyler1389]

What a joke. Texas at number 2? Oklahoma was also highly overrated. Kelvin has run off 3 starting guards in the last two years. Are you kidding me? :lol:lol:lol:lol

Also, Nebraska, Kansas, Oklahoma, Iowa State and Texas all appear from the Big 12, but no Oklahoma State? I hate Andy Katz.

[ousooner]

What a joke. Texas at number 2? Oklahoma was also highly overrated. Kelvin has run off 3 starting guards in the last two years. Are you kidding me? :lol:lol:lol:lol

Also, Nebraska, Kansas, Oklahoma, Iowa State and Texas all appear from the Big 12, but no Oklahoma State? I hate Andy Katz.
OU had too many guards. Somebody had to go. They had 5 that were all worthy of starting. He didn't run them off. OU is not overrated. OSU lost 4 starters this year. What do you expect?

[seekupig]

Also, Nebraska, Kansas, Oklahoma, Iowa State and Texas all appear from the Big 12, but no Oklahoma State? I hate Andy Katz.

Oklahoma St. is on the list at #34. which isn't that bad considering what they lost. Kansas in only #26, similar situation to OSU with all of the players they lost, only they have a top 3 recruiting class to fall back on. teams like that are generally placed right outside the top 25 until the voters have a chance to see how the new guys play. for instance, KU is at #26 now. if they go into the Maui Invitational and win, they'll be a top ten team over night. preseason rankings don't mean shit. ask Kansas. they were preseason #1 last year and lost to Fucknell in the first round of the tournament.

[unccrombie]

Oklahoma St. is on the list at #34. which isn't that bad considering what they lost. Kansas in only #26, similar situation to OSU with all of the players they lost, only they have a top 3 recruiting class to fall back on. teams like that are generally placed right outside the top 25 until the voters have a chance to see how the new guys play. for instance, KU is at #26 now. if they go into the Maui Invitational and win, they'll be a top ten team over night. preseason rankings don't mean shit. ask Kansas. they were preseason #1 last year and lost to Fucknell in the first round of the tournament.
kansas also got worse as the season progressed

[bustdstuff]

that's right baby, my Blue Devils up top where they belong :D


:thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup
It should be easy to be a DUKE fan this season.

[SteelerMan]

:thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup
It should be easy to be a DUKE fan this season.

:thumbsup
Yeah, they should be loaded considering all the free recruiting Coach K gets with his credit card commercials.

[bustdstuff]

:thumbsup
Yeah, they should be loaded considering all the free recruiting Coach K gets with his credit card commercials.

Should be loaded?? Apparently you haven't seen they're roster. They are already loaded.

[SteelerMan]

Should be loaded?? Apparently you haven't seen they're roster. They are already loaded.

Yeah, I've seen it. I'm not worried though... they'll fall apart again thanks to the selfishness of J.J. Redick.

[bustdstuff]

Yeah, I've seen it. I'm not worried though... they'll fall apart again thanks to the selfishness of J.J. Redick.

Are you high? He's the best FT shooter in the history of the NCAA, and definetly not selfish. Give me a sec I'll post his career stats for you.

Here's his season averages for last season.
NAME GMS MIN PTS REB AST TO A/T STL BLK PF
J.J. Redick 33 37.3 21.8 3.3 2.6 2.5 1/1 1.1 0.1 1.1
FG% FT% 3P% PPS
.408 .938 .403 1.46

[haildmb]

Yeah, I've seen it. I'm not worried though... they'll fall apart again thanks to the selfishness of J.J. Redick.


:lol you're a buffoon. JJ = POY

[bustdstuff]

I would also who he's a fan of since he's so not worried about Duke.

Edit: :bounce :multi :monkey It's my BIRTHDAY!!!! :monkey :multi :bounce

[SteelerMan]

Might I recommend a reading comprehension course? I never said he wasn't a great player or great free throw shooter... I said he was selfish. I watched a LOT of Duke games last year, and in the games they lost, it was usually because he tried to do too much by himself. He took the wrong shots at the wrong time. Considering the announcers usually pointed out that he took bad shots, I'm not alone in my assessment.

Oh... and happy birthday Bustdstuff! :monkey

[ousooner]

Might I recommend a reading comprehension course? I never said he wasn't a great player or great free throw shooter... I said he was selfish. I watched a LOT of Duke games last year, and in the games they lost, it was usually because he tried to do too much by himself. He took the wrong shots at the wrong time. Considering the announcers usually pointed out that he took bad shots, I'm not alone in my assessment.

Oh... and happy birthday Bustdstuff! :monkey
Are you a Villanova fan? Can't wait for the OU-Villanova game. The OU-texas games should be great this year too. i've seen JJ take some bad shots, but he takes a lot more good ones and is a great player. I don't know why people dislike him so much.

[seekupig]

kansas also got worse as the season progressed

i don't think they got worse. they just stayed the same as everyone around them improved consistently throughout the season. they had a veteran team that didn't have much room for improvement under the coaching style of Bill Self. towards the end of the year they just seemed to not care anymore. there never seemed to be a sense of urgency at the end of close games. not sure if that was experience or if it was them just not caring.

[bustdstuff]

Bob Huggins to be fired in the next 24 hours.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=2141113

And in other news Texas' PJ Tucker regains academic elegibility.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=2141103

[seekupig]

Bob Huggins to be fired in the next 24 hours.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=2141113



where will all of the JUCO thugs with rap sheets transfer to now?

[bustdstuff]

where will all of the JUCO thugs with rap sheets transfer to now?

Better question is who is going to coach the team this season? They obviously are ready to announce someone. This is an odd time to fire your coach. The start of practices are basically right around the corner.

[gbs3769]

That's too bad. I like Bob Huggins and was looking forward to seeing him coach against Boeheim this year.

- Matt

[haildmb]

where will all of the JUCO thugs with rap sheets transfer to now?


why Temple of course :lol I think they made a case to be Cincy's successor at the end of last season

[eric1786]

i heard that uc hasnt officially called bob huggins yet, so i dont know if this is just a rumor or what...i'm really hoping its not, but i'm sure its true

[Steelers36]

Huggins was a horrible coach, sure they won in CUSA but they were really fucking awful. Not only do they have the lowest graduation rate (at one time it was 0) but they were rated "Least Likeable Team" last year by SI. A few years ago everyone was worried that he would go to WVU and leave Cincy, I guess everyone thought that no one else could win 30 games and lose in the first round of the NCAA tournament. Last season was the first one that I can remeber that at least one player wasn't arrested, instead two coaches were for DUI. Xavier is a much smaller school here in Cincinnati and they built a good program with players that weren't assholes and now play much better than any team Huggins has had since 1992. I'll be glad to see him go, maybe now they may have a respectable program at UC. They would have been eaten alive in the Big East with or without him.

I also hate the UC fans that have claimed for years that UC could beat UK if they played, and last March they got their wish and had to shut the fuck up about it for a while.

[dmbmuskie]

I understand that they didn't like him down there, but firing a top coach the year 6 weeks before your first Big East season begins seems like a terrible idea to me.

[UNC41]

Kansas's riduculous freshman class has gotten even better.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/basketball/ncaa/09/02/bc.bkc.kansas.rush.ap/index.html

[seekupig]

Kansas's riduculous freshman class has gotten even better.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/basketball/ncaa/09/02/bc.bkc.kansas.rush.ap/index.html

wow, can't believe i missed that. nice find. i'm not looking for this to be a great year for the Jayhawks, though. i think they'll be a good team by seasons end, but next year they'll be back in the top five.

[UNC41]

I have a feeling Rush is a one year rental.

[smeritt]

i love college basketball its so much more excitng than nba i also love high school basketball fun to cheer and heckle ppl

[bustdstuff]

I have a feeling Rush is a one year rental.

Maybe two if he stays academically elegible.

[seekupig]

with midnight madness here, i figured it was time to bring this great thread back to life. the other one is beginning to get off track with predictions and such, so i'll just post mine here....

my early Final Four......

Duke
'Nova
UConn
Oklahoma

sleeper pick for the Final Four........ Kansas. a bunch of sophomores and freshmen that will improve as the year goes on (think Arizona '98, 'Cuse '03).

pick to win it all...... Duke. i hate to say it, but they are loaded. them not getting to the final four would amaze me.

[Minarets19]

Duke and Texas is my title game. i hate to see that too. i am a Baylor grad and a die hard UNC fan....couldnt get much worse then that

my sleeper this year is UCLA. i think they willbe good again. not top 10 good, but back in the top 25 for most of the year.

i also say a sweet 16 bid for the Bruins

[seekupig]

. i am a Baylor grad and a die hard UNC fan....


this is a pretty good article....

Defending Champion Tar Heels Prepare For Rebuilding Year.....

http://cbs.sportsline.com/collegebasketball/story/8961400



in other news......

Gavin Grant from NC State is about to be deported.
Jawann McClellan of Arizona is acedemically ineligble for the first half of the season.

[RJ2kWJ]

OH MY GOD. I just cant friggin wait to see how RIDICULOUS McRoberts and Shelden are together. And Greg and JJ. I cant wait!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[bustdstuff]

Next friday is going to be spectacular. Love the avatar by the way (sig included).

[ousooner]

with midnight madness here, i figured it was time to bring this great thread back to life. the other one is beginning to get off track with predictions and such, so i'll just post mine here....

my early Final Four......

Duke
'Nova
UConn
Oklahoma

sleeper pick for the Final Four........ Kansas. a bunch of sophomores and freshmen that will improve as the year goes on (think Arizona '98, 'Cuse '03).

pick to win it all...... Duke. i hate to say it, but they are loaded. them not getting to the final four would amaze me.
Huge early game:
Sat, Dec 03 Oklahoma at Villanova 4 p.m. ESPN

[dmbinchicago]

I love college basketball. LOVE it. Can't wait for the season to start... big Duke fan, but I'll watch anything. It's really the only sport that I will watch no matter whether there's a rooting interest or not.

[RJ2kWJ]

blah blah blah blah blah ... big Duke fan blah blah blah blah blah blah blah

That's all I saw!!! NICE!!!! HERES to the Duke B-Devils!!!!!! :D

[bustdstuff]

That's all I saw!!! NICE!!!! HERES to the Duke B-Devils!!!!!! :D

:lol :lol :lol

Did you see that the women's team is also preseason #1?

[DMBfan41]

Duke is preseason #1 and FDU is predicted to win the NEC!

FDU this year faces Louisville, Maryland, and Seton Hall!

I'm definately hoping for another trip to the NCAA Tourney. Small school pride!

[seekupig]

stumbled upon this little gem of a game while looking over schedules......


December 10th
#1 Duke vs. #2 Texas

game is being played at Cameron, NJ

[skywalker_009]

ill throw it out there for fun... go dawgs!!!... rebuilding is a bitch, but i am no fairweather fan, i stick with my team through it