Preseason NCAA Basketball Poll is released

[ousooner]

So the Nebraska Cornhuskers continue to amaze me. They can't stop a very average Texas Tech team but they can wallop a slightly above average Colorado team. They can let Texas Tech's Jarrius Jackson (who?) score 41 on them and then hold Richard Roby, 2nd team all Big X1I (if not 1st team), to 7 points.

So now that Nebraska has won, we now move on to Nebraska's most important game of the season. @Texas A&M. A W and we're lookin better and better staying in the race for 4th place. A L, and we're NIT bound.
Your squad has put up a good fight, but I think they are about done. I don't think A&M is better then Nebraska, but the homecourt will probably be too much to overcome.

[SteelerMan]

Hells yeah. I just got home and didn't get to watch the game, but damn. This may be Roy's best coaching job ever.

:thumbsup

Definitely. And the best part... think about how good they'll be next year. I'm really going to miss David Noel though. He has stepped it up big time this year.

[gbs3769]

The March 5th game vs Villanova is the first advance sellout in Carrier Dome history. As of yesterday afternoon they had all of 20 tickets left. A quote from the article about the sellout:

Campbell said the NCAA record for attendance at an on-campus arena will be broken on March 5. Syracuse set the record last season when 33,199 fans watched the Orange defeat Notre Dame 60-57. But even that game didn't sell out in advance.

And about McNamara's fan's from Scranton:
Campbell said 64 buses will charter fans from McNamara's hometown of Scranton, Pa., to his farewell game. At approximately 50 people per bus, that's 3,200 fans.

Full Article (http://www.syracuse.com/orangebasketball/poststandard/index.ssf?/base/sports-0/1140688562214030.xml&coll=1)

- Primo

[seekupig]

JJ - 3 for 17

STILL winning. Gotta love this team. BARELY going to the free throw line. Bad defense tonight. Were going so far in the tourney.

play like that against a team that's worth a shit and you're going home early. ;)

[SteelerMan]

I think anything short of winning it will be a disappointment for Duke, much like UNC last year. It doesn't really matter how far they make it if they don't win the National Championship.

[gbs3769]

Interesting fact, over 4% of the population of Scranton will be going to the Syracuse vs. Villanova game.

- Primo

[RJ2kWJ]

play like that against a team that's worth a shit and you're going home early. ;)

Not happenin come tourney time.

[SteelerMan]

Not happenin come tourney time.

Yeah, Duke has been unstoppable come tourney time during the Redick era. :D

[seekupig]

Not happenin come tourney time.

care to make a little wager on them making it to the Final Four?

[Third Floor]

JJ - 3 for 17

STILL winning. Gotta love this team. BARELY going to the free throw line. Bad defense tonight. Were going so far in the tourney.

against a team that wake beat by 15. seriously, its gatech. do that against a halfway decent team and you lose. its like wake bragging that we beat Mississippi Valley State even though we had like 100 turnovers.

[clayj41]

:thumbsup

Definitely. And the best part... think about how good they'll be next year. I'm really going to miss David Noel though. He has stepped it up big time this year.

Noel is definitely the leader of the team. He's really helped the young players a lot.

[clayj41]

care to make a little wager on them making it to the Final Four?

I don't know....looking at this weeks bracketology (which doesn't really mean anything), if they play to their potential they shouldn't have to tough a time making it to the Final Four. I still think UConn is better though.

[unccrombie]

against a team that wake beat by 15. seriously, its gatech. do that against a halfway decent team and you lose. its like wake bragging that we beat Mississippi Valley State even though we had like 100 turnovers.
mmm the bottom 10, such a good read

[seekupig]

I don't know....looking at this weeks bracketology (which doesn't really mean anything), if they play to their potential they shouldn't have to tough a time making it to the Final Four. I still think UConn is better though.

i like to think that a Sweet 16 matchup vs. Kansas will give them a little trouble. that's just me though.... :D

[RJ2kWJ]

care to make a little wager on them making it to the Final Four?

Why little? Why not large? Its not fair to give me one team then you the rest of the field... I take Duke and you take Kansas.

[RJ2kWJ]

i like to think that a Sweet 16 matchup vs. Kansas will give them a little trouble. that's just me though.... :D

Lets just hope Kansas makes it that far... never know if Bucknell would get in the way. But yea... lemme know on the wager. :D

[seekupig]

Its not fair to give me one team then you the rest of the field... I take Duke and you take Kansas.


you just seem so confident in Duke getting to the Final Four. sorry if i read too much into your thoughts. it is a lot more fair to make it a head to head bet though. a team with no returning starters from last years team and a starting five that consists of three freshmen and two sophomores vs. the almighty blue devils from Durham that likely have two first team all-americans on their roster. now that i see it like that........ i like our chances. if they play head to head in the tourney we'll set up a little wager. if not, we'll work something out when the brackets are set.

[RJ2kWJ]

you just seem so confident in Duke getting to the Final Four. sorry if i read too much into your thoughts. it is a lot more fair to make it a head to head bet though. a team with no returning starters from last years team and a starting five that consists of three freshmen and two sophomores vs. the almighty blue devils from Durham that likely have two first team all-americans on their roster. now that i see it like that........ i like our chances. if they play head to head in the tourney we'll set up a little wager. if not, we'll work something out when the brackets are set.

Deal. :D I just think this spert Kansas is on right now is amazing... way to do it at the perfect time too. Id love to play Kansas, I think it'd be a batlle reguardless of age or talent.

[clayj41]

i like to think that a Sweet 16 matchup vs. Kansas will give them a little trouble. that's just me though.... :D

I think an Elite 8 matchup with UNC would be tough for them as well.:D

[seekupig]

Deal. :D I just think this spert Kansas is on right now is amazing... way to do it at the perfect time too. Id love to play Kansas, I think it'd be a batlle reguardless of age or talent.

it's actually turned out to be quite the rebuilding year. unlike years past when they shoot out of the gates 15-0 then shit the bed at the end of the season. it was frustrating early on, but it's paying off now.

[SteelerMan]

I think an Elite 8 matchup with UNC would be tough for them as well.:D

Isn't that basically impossible? Don't they do everything they can to ensure two teams from the same conference don't meet until the Final Four? I know if there are more than four teams from one conference, it could happen... but assuming Duke is #1 from the ACC and UNC is #3, I doubt they'd put them in the same bracket.

[seekupig]

Isn't that basically impossible? Don't they do everything they can to ensure two teams from the same conference don't meet until the Final Four? I know if there are more than four teams from one conference, it could happen... but assuming Duke is #1 from the ACC and UNC is #3, I doubt they'd put them in the same bracket.

they usually only keep them separated if they are both seeded 1-4. if one is a high seed and one is a low seed, they'll keep them on opposite sides of the bracket which makes the only meeting possible in the elite eight which going by seeds is highly unlikely.

EDIT - last year NC State and UNC were in the same bracket. had NC State beaten Wisconsin in the sweet sixteen, they would have played Carolina in the Elite Eight.

[clayj41]

Isn't that basically impossible? Don't they do everything they can to ensure two teams from the same conference don't meet until the Final Four? I know if there are more than four teams from one conference, it could happen... but assuming Duke is #1 from the ACC and UNC is #3, I doubt they'd put them in the same bracket.

Not according to this week's bracketology. It'll change next week though.

[Third Floor]

when did UNC become a 3 seed?

[rconverse]

you just seem so confident in Duke getting to the Final Four. sorry if i read too much into your thoughts. it is a lot more fair to make it a head to head bet though. a team with no returning starters from last years team and a starting five that consists of three freshmen and two sophomores vs. the almighty blue devils from Durham that likely have two first team all-americans on their roster. now that i see it like that........ i like our chances. if they play head to head in the tourney we'll set up a little wager. if not, we'll work something out when the brackets are set.

For what it's worth, I am not that confident. I love their team this year and like their chances, but anything can happen in the tournament.

[clayj41]

when did UNC become a 3 seed?

He meant that they're #3 in the ACC. I think they'll move up to at least a 5....maybe a 4.:shrug

[seekupig]

here's a good article by Andy Katz that explains some of the little details of seeding and bracket placement done by the selection committee.....

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/columns/story?columnist=katz_andy&id=2338089

[UNLTrpt]

Your squad has put up a good fight, but I think they are about done. I don't think A&M is better then Nebraska, but the homecourt will probably be too much to overcome.

yeah but ISU was supposed to be the same way. ISU is probably just as good (if not better) than us but Maric had 40 points and shut the crowd up from minute one. I admit that we're a much better basketball team at home than on the road but we're 3-3 on the road in the Big 12. usually we're 0-6 at this point. No doubt that this will be our toughest game left this year but it's very winnable.

[clayj41]

here's a good article by Andy Katz that explains some of the little details of seeding and bracket placement done by the selection committee.....

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/columns/story?columnist=katz_andy&id=2338089

:thumbsup Very informative!

[SteelerMan]

He meant that they're #3 in the ACC. I think they'll move up to at least a 5....maybe a 4.:shrug

I think they're a #5 right now, and I think they'll be a #4 when it comes time for the tournament.

[clayj41]

I think they're a #5 right now, and I think they'll be a #4 when it comes time for the tournament.

:thumbsup Not bad considering I wasn't even sure if they'd even make the tourney before the year started.

[seekupig]

I think they're a #5 right now, and I think they'll be a #4 when it comes time for the tournament.

i think they'll end up being a #5 or #6. that's assuming a loss @ Duke and that they don't win the ACC tournament.

[clayj41]

i think they'll end up being a #5 or #6. that's assuming a loss @ Duke and that they don't win the ACC tournament.

Don't assume.:D

[seekupig]

Don't assume.:D

just playing the odds. ;)

[SteelerMan]

i think they'll end up being a #5 or #6. that's assuming a loss @ Duke and that they don't win the ACC tournament.

Well, let's say they beat Maryland and Virginia, lose to Duke, then lose to Duke in the finals of the ACC tournament. That'd put them at 22-7, 11-5 in the ACC. They should move up a good bit in the rankings considering they just hammered #16 NC State. I think they'll get a 4 seed if it plays out like that.

[seekupig]

Well, let's say they beat Maryland and Virginia, lose to Duke, then lose to Duke in the finals of the ACC tournament. That'd put them at 22-7, 11-5 in the ACC. They should move up a good bit in the rankings considering they just hammered #16 NC State. I think they'll get a 4 seed if it plays out like that.

if BC wins their last three, UNC would be the #4 seed in the ACC tourney, meaning they'd play Duke in the semifinals which would give them one less game. if BC happens to lose one and UNC keeps the #3 spot, then they'd have to beat NC State for the third time this year to get another shot at Duke. anything's possible, but i think they'll end up a #5 or #6. a lot of it is out of their hands as well though. the #2 -> #6 seeds can shuffle a great deal with everyone in the top 25 beating up on each other in conference tournaments. it'll be interesting to see how it all shakes out....

[clayj41]

if BC wins their last three, UNC would be the #4 seed in the ACC tourney, meaning they'd play Duke in the semifinals which would give them one less game. if BC happens to lose one and UNC keeps the #3 spot, then they'd have to beat NC State for the third time this year to get another shot at Duke. anything's possible, but i think they'll end up a #5 or #6. a lot of it is out of their hands as well though. the #2 -> #6 seeds can shuffle a great deal with everyone in the top 25 beating up on each other in conference tournaments. it'll be interesting to see how it all shakes out....

:thumbsup The #1's are the only thing that are really clear right now, and even those are skeptical.

[rconverse]

:thumbsup The #1's are the only thing that are really clear right now, and even those are skeptical.

I don't even bother discussing tourney seeds until after the regular season is over. Even then conference tourneys can screw everything up.

I hope Duke plays BC again and wipes the floor with them. Fuck that Marshall guy, what an asshole!

[SteelerMan]

if BC wins their last three, UNC would be the #4 seed in the ACC tourney, meaning they'd play Duke in the semifinals which would give them one less game. if BC happens to lose one and UNC keeps the #3 spot, then they'd have to beat NC State for the third time this year to get another shot at Duke. anything's possible, but i think they'll end up a #5 or #6. a lot of it is out of their hands as well though. the #2 -> #6 seeds can shuffle a great deal with everyone in the top 25 beating up on each other in conference tournaments. it'll be interesting to see how it all shakes out....

You're right... I didn't notice that BC would pass up UNC if UNC loses to Duke and BC wins out. I'm really not worried about NC State at this point. I know it's tough to beat a team three times, but I don't see NC State beating UNC this year. Things are about to get exciting.

[rconverse]

You're right... I didn't notice that BC would pass up UNC if UNC loses to Duke and BC wins out. I'm really not worried about NC State at this point. I know it's tough to beat a team three times, but I don't see NC State beating UNC this year. Things are about to get exciting.


For the rest of the ACC maybe. For Duke it's jsut business as usual. :cool
Can't wait for the Duke Tournament errr...The ACC tournament.















Is that the cocky attitude which turns other CFB fans off to Duke fans? :D

J/K of course.

[Third Floor]

guys guys, stop arguing. duke will get beat by wake. (unless wake beats gatech, then all bets are off).

[rconverse]

guys guys, stop arguing. duke will get beat by wake. (unless wake beats gatech, then all bets are off).

Here we go...And if they don't, will it be Wake's fault or the refs? ;)

[seekupig]

Here we go...And if they don't, will it be Wake's fault or the refs? ;)

neither. it'll be the rude fans that yell mean things at Chris Paul........ oh wait, that's last years excuse.

[SteelerMan]

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/powerranking?week=16&pollId=1&lpos=spotlight&lid=tab1pos1

Power Rankings are up. UNC is a #4 seed, and Kansas is a #3.

[unccrombie]

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/powerranking?week=16&pollId=1&lpos=spotlight&lid=tab1pos1

Power Rankings are up. UNC is a #4 seed, and Kansas is a #3.
both are still over rated

[SteelerMan]

both are still over rated

A couple weeks ago, I would've agreed... now, I'm not so sure. I think UNC is the second best team in the ACC, and Kansas is definitely playing better than Texas lately.

[unccrombie]

A couple weeks ago, I would've agreed... now, I'm not so sure. I think UNC is the second best team in the ACC, and Kansas is definitely playing better than Texas lately.
i still think bc would beat unc any day. i think theyre 3rd best. however, in the grander scheme of things i would say theyre a 5-6 seed

[rconverse]

both are still over rated


So Iowa is ahead of Illinois in the Big Ten, yet Illinois is getting the three seed right now. That's interesting. I guess we'll see when they play at Illi.

[unccrombie]

So Iowa is ahead of Illinois in the Big Ten, yet Illinois is getting the three seed right now. That's interesting. I guess we'll see when they play at Illi.
illi is real tough to beat at home though, but you have somewhat of a valid point. hows iowa doin on marquee wins?

[rconverse]

illi is real tough to beat at home though, but you have somewhat of a valid point. hows iowa doin on marquee wins?

Agreed about Illi at home. Not sure about Iowa's marquee wins. Off hand, I don't know of any "big" wins. Still, Illi looked horrible against Michigan the other night.

[SteelerMan]

Iowa has wins:

vs. NC State, vs. Illinois, vs. Indiana, vs. Ohio State, vs. Michigan, @Indiana, and vs. Michigan State.

[gbs3769]

I saw this earlier in the week and forgot to post it.

This afternoon, a few hours before West Virginia plays Syracuse in a critical Big East Conference men's basketball game at the Carrier Dome, the Mountaineer team bus will come to a stop in front of the Kiddle home on Nelson Avenue in DeWitt.

West Virginia coach John Beilein will climb out to begin a familiar ritual: He will go to the door and ask Teddy Kiddle if he's ready to go. Then Beilein will shake hands with Shirley Kiddle, Teddy's mother, and with anyone else in the family who happens to be around, before Teddy and the coach get on the bus and leave for the Dome.

Once the game begins, a seat on the West Virginia bench will be reserved for Teddy, the assistant equipment manager at Le Moyne College.

The full article is here (http://www.syracuse.com/kirst/poststandard/index.ssf?/base/news-0/114042937266470.xml&coll=1). It's a really touching piece.

- Primo

[chiznaz]

you just seem so confident in Duke getting to the Final Four. sorry if i read too much into your thoughts. it is a lot more fair to make it a head to head bet though. a team with no returning starters from last years team and a starting five that consists of three freshmen and two sophomores vs. the almighty blue devils from Durham that likely have two first team all-americans on their roster. now that i see it like that........ i like our chances. if they play head to head in the tourney we'll set up a little wager. if not, we'll work something out when the brackets are set.

I think the 3 fresh & 2 soph are going to be KUs weakness in the tourny. The young inexpierence I think will hurt them if they keep advancing, and the stakes get higher each round. Those 2 soph were one and done in the tourny last year right? That gives them a feel, but nothing like being in the sweet 16 when everything really picks up. However this is college basketball, and anything can happen. It would be one hell of a story of that starting 5 make the Final Four. WIth that being said, I think KU is easily the best team in the BigXII next year. They are going to be very, very good. I also think Duke is Final FOur bound. They have the one senior leader/go to guy to get them there. The have a fresh point gaurd that can hurt them, but I think they have to many positives for them to not get there.





Now for my home team:) A&M got a nice win in Mizzou the other night. We have Nebraska coming in this weekend. While I don't know too much about Neb, I think A&M can pull out the home win. If they pull it out, they are in very good position for the 4th seed in the Big 12, and with a couple confrence tourny wins, they could make the big dance. It's a lot asking this team for that, but it is possible. A&M still plays UT and Colorado still plays KU..... both are expected losses for each team. However A&M still has to play at Tech wich I think will be the hardest game left.

[seekupig]

I think the 3 fresh & 2 soph are going to be KUs weakness in the tourny. The young inexpierence I think will hurt them if they keep advancing, and the stakes get higher each round. Those 2 soph were one and done in the tourny last year right?

there's something to be said for being young, and dumb with nothing to lose. as far as the two sophomores being one and done last year, neither one of them were starters so that's really not on them. besides, Aaron Miles, Keith Langford and Wayne Simien had been to two final fours and an elite eight. that experience obviously helped them against Bucknell. :rolleyes

[chiznaz]

there's something to be said for being young, and dumb with nothing to lose. as far as the two sophomores being one and done last year, neither one of them were starters so that's really not on them. besides, Aaron Miles, Keith Langford and Wayne Simien had been to two final fours and an elite eight. that experience obviously helped them against Bucknell. :rolleyes

I don't think i explained that part well. The one and done part was meant to say that the soph didn't get any real tourny experience last year from that.

[rconverse]

Iowa has wins:

vs. NC State, vs. Illinois, vs. Indiana, vs. Ohio State, vs. Michigan, @Indiana, and vs. Michigan State.

I would consider NC State a quality win outside of the Big-Ten for sure. Seeing the other wins reinforces my point. Being that Iowa is ahead of Illinois in the Big Ten, but based on the power rankings will be a number 4 seed compared to Illinois at a 3. They play this weekend, so Iowa will have a chance to reverse that.

[seekupig]

I don't think i explained that part well. The one and done part was meant to say that the soph didn't get any real tourny experience last year from that.

how much tournament experience did Carmello, McNamara and Warrick have when they made their run in '03?

[clayj41]

how much tournament experience did Carmello, McNamara and Warrick have when they made their run in '03?

:thumbsup Good point. I think KU is a scary team.

[seekupig]

:thumbsup Good point. I think KU is a scary team.

they're going to be tough to fill in on brackets. they could lose in the first round or go to the Final Four. they're the true definition (as is UNC) of a bracket buster. you just don't know what you're going to get with a team that young...

[Lee3691]

continueing what I posted on the summer tour dates thread...

Certainly true that UCLA has not been the top program in the West Coast for the last 20 years - that would be Arizona - but, if we are talking histrocally, UCLA with 11 rings, is indeed at the top of college basketball heirarcy. Using the same logic, Duke is is at the top of east coast college basketball heirarcy, because they have been more successful then UNC the past 20 years. Nonsense.

I'll take John Woodsen as my coach. You can have Pitino, Tubby, Dean Smith, Mike "No One Can Spell His Last Name", Roy Williams. I still have more rings.

College basketball heirarchy:
1) UCLA
2) UNC
3) Kentucky
4) Kansas
5) Duke
6) Indiana
7) Arizona

[UNC41]

continueing what I posted on the summer tour dates thread...

Certainly true that UCLA has not been the top program in the West Coast for the last 20 years - that would be Arizona - but, if we are talking histrocally, UCLA with 11 rings, is indeed at the top of college basketball heirarcy. Using the same logic, Duke is is at the top of east coast college basketball heirarcy, because they have been more successful then UNC the past 20 years. Nonsense.

I'll take John Woodsen as my coach. You can have Pitino, Tubby, Dean Smith, Mike "No One Can Spell His Last Name", Roy Williams. I still have more rings.

College basketball heirarchy:
1) UCLA
2) UNC
3) Kentucky
4) Kansas
5) Duke
6) Indiana
7) Arizona

Damn, you've got John Woodsen. I guess I'll have to go with my backup choice, John Wooden.

[RJ2kWJ]

Damn, you've got John Woodsen. I guess I'll have to go with my backup choice, John Wooden.

:lol both are amazing

[Lee3691]

Ha

John Wooden

[rconverse]

continueing what I posted on the summer tour dates thread...

Certainly true that UCLA has not been the top program in the West Coast for the last 20 years - that would be Arizona - but, if we are talking histrocally, UCLA with 11 rings, is indeed at the top of college basketball heirarcy. Using the same logic, Duke is is at the top of east coast college basketball heirarcy, because they have been more successful then UNC the past 20 years. Nonsense.

I'll take John Woodsen as my coach. You can have Pitino, Tubby, Dean Smith, Mike "No One Can Spell His Last Name", Roy Williams. I still have more rings.

College basketball heirarchy:
1) UCLA
2) UNC
3) Kentucky
4) Kansas
5) Duke
6) Indiana
7) Arizona

Spoken like a true homer. I doubt anyone will argue that no team will do what UCLA did with 8 in a row (or whatever ridiculous number that was), but the whole landscape of CBB has changed. That is just not realistic in today's climate.

Also, Duke should go above Kansas and is getting ready to blow by UNC. Don't get so caught up in the past that you are missing history in the making! Duke shows no signs of slowing down. McRoberts is playing nice and will be a force next year, especially being a lefty. Paulus will be even better next year at the point and they draft, as opposed to recruit. (Yes, this post is spoken like a true homer as well. :D )

[clayj41]

Spoken like a true homer. I doubt anyone will argue that no team will do what UCLA did with 8 in a row (or whatever ridiculous number that was), but the whole landscape of CBB has changed. That is just not realistic in today's climate.

Also, Duke should go above Kansas and is getting ready to blow by UNC. Don't get so caught up in the past that you are missing history in the making! Duke shows no signs of slowing down. McRoberts is playing nice and will be a force next year, especially being a lefty. Paulus will be even better next year at the point and they draft, as opposed to recruit. (Yes, this post is spoken like a true homer as well. :D )

No one will ever match that UCLA run......and don't count your chickens before they're hatched.:D

[Lee3691]

Spoken like a true homer. I doubt anyone will argue that no team will do what UCLA did with 8 in a row (or whatever ridiculous number that was), but the whole landscape of CBB has changed. That is just not realistic in today's climate.

Also, Duke should go above Kansas and is getting ready to blow by UNC. Don't get so caught up in the past that you are missing history in the making! Duke shows no signs of slowing down. McRoberts is playing nice and will be a force next year, especially being a lefty. Paulus will be even better next year at the point and they draft, as opposed to recruit. (Yes, this post is spoken like a true homer as well. :D )
Of course I am biased. Just as you are. It was only 7 in row, 10 in 12 years. Indeed the "whole landscape" of college basketball has changed, but until a program even approaches that number of titles, UCLA, historically (IMHO) remains at #1. Duke has been the dominant program of the last 20 years, but that doesn't mean historically they have had a better program. One of the criteria in my book is producing great players, and not one player from Duke's run is even near HOF status.

[ousooner]

Spoken like a true homer. I doubt anyone will argue that no team will do what UCLA did with 8 in a row (or whatever ridiculous number that was), but the whole landscape of CBB has changed. That is just not realistic in today's climate.

Also, Duke should go above Kansas and is getting ready to blow by UNC. Don't get so caught up in the past that you are missing history in the making! Duke shows no signs of slowing down. McRoberts is playing nice and will be a force next year, especially being a lefty. Paulus will be even better next year at the point and they draft, as opposed to recruit. (Yes, this post is spoken like a true homer as well. :D )
I disagree, Duke should not go ahead of Kansas. Yes Duke is great, but that's like putting Miami ahead of Notre Dame, Michigan, Alabama, USC, Oklahoma :D , etc in football. I would, however, place Kentucky ahead of North Carolina. And I'm not sure how Arizona makes the top 7. You could put Louisville, Syracuse, Georgetown, Oklahoma St., Michigan St., UConn and others in their before Arizona.

[clayj41]

Personally, I would exclude UCLA from the list because it was just a different era. UNC, UK, Duke, and Kansas are definitely the big four in my mind. Oh, and Indiana....eh.:shrug

[ousooner]

Personally, I would exclude UCLA from the list because it was just a different era. UNC, UK, Duke, and Kansas are definitely the big four in my mind. Oh, and Indiana....eh.:shrug
I don't see how you can exclude UCLA. They won national championship just a decade ago and are in the process of returning to the elite level now. It's not like they are an Ivy League school that claims 20 national championships in football from the early 1900's like Harvard does.

Edit: Notre Dame won several of their 9 national titles pre 1950 and hasn't won a championship since 1988. Should they be excluded from the list of football greats?

[clayj41]

I don't see how you can exclude UCLA. They won national championship just a decade ago and are in the process of returning to the elite level now. It's not like they are an Ivy League school that claims 20 national championships in football from the early 1900's like Harvard does.

Edit: Notre Dame won several of their 9 national titles pre 1950 and hasn't won a championship since 1988. Should they be excluded from the list of football greats?

I guess you're right. Its kinda like excluding the Yankees in baseball.

[rconverse]

Of course I am biased. Just as you are. It was only 7 in row, 10 in 12 years. Indeed the "whole landscape" of college basketball has changed, but until a program even approaches that number of titles, UCLA, historically (IMHO) remains at #1. Duke has been the dominant program of the last 20 years, but that doesn't mean historically they have had a better program. One of the criteria in my book is producing great players, and not one player from Duke's run is even near HOF status.

Grant Hill minus injuries. I know, I know. But he was sick and would have been HOF without injuries. All others, point taken on the NBA. BUT Duke has produced the most important HOF for their program, Coach K!

That being said, Bill Walton still sucks! Haha just kidding. Like BW or hate him, he is the only good thing about the NBA (maybe besides the Pistons only cause they play team ball IMO).

[rconverse]

I don't see how you can exclude UCLA. They won national championship just a decade ago and are in the process of returning to the elite level now. It's not like they are an Ivy League school that claims 20 national championships in football from the early 1900's like Harvard does.

Edit: Notre Dame won several of their 9 national titles pre 1950 and hasn't won a championship since 1988. Should they be excluded from the list of football greats?

No matter what, you can't exclude UCLA. Even in that era, no other team was running 7 in a row.

[clayj41]

Grant Hill minus injuries. I know, I know. But he was sick and would have been HOF without injuries. All others, point taken on the NBA. BUT Duke has produced the most important HOF for their program, Coach K!

That being said, Bill Walton still sucks! Haha just kidding. Like BW or hate him, he is the only good thing about the NBA (maybe besides the Pistons only cause they play team ball IMO).

Hill could've been very good, so could've Bobby Hurley.

[UNC41]

Also, Duke should go above Kansas and is getting ready to blow by UNC. Don't get so caught up in the past that you are missing history in the making!

Nope

[clayj41]

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/powerranking?week=16&pollId=1&lpos=spotlight&lid=tab1pos1

Power Rankings are up. UNC is a #4 seed, and Kansas is a #3.

I just looked at that for the first time. No way should GW be a #2 over Ohio St.

[seekupig]

college basketball is so difficult to judge. do you go with the team that has more titles in the one and done system? do you consider what probably would have happened in a "best of" series? do you just base things off of total wins? how many NBA players has a school put out? did the coach inherit the team or actually recruit it? if {insert player here} hadn't left, would {insert school here} have won the title? had we played in a more competitive conference would we have been more prepared for the big dance? should the MVC get five teams in and the ACC and the Big XII only get four?

if anyone on this board can answer these questions intelligently, please help me out. it's late, i'm fucked up, and i can't think anymore.

Rock, Chalk, Jayhawk!!! :multi

[unccrombie]

i think ill go bet on elimidate instead, best of luck though

[seekupig]

i think ill go bet on elimidate instead, best of luck though

i'm more confused now than i was when i wrote that. thanks for the help. ;)

(as far as this thread goes, bustdstuff wins elimidate.)

[unccrombie]

i'm more confused now than i was when i wrote that. thanks for the help. ;)

(as far as this thread goes, bustdstuff wins elimidate.)
ive got $15 riding on the outcome tonight. but in other news i was pullin for cinci

[paris72]

i'm more confused now than i was when i wrote that. thanks for the help. ;)

(as far as this thread goes, bustdstuff wins elimidate.)

I think your game against Texas will be a good one.

I'll go

KU 76
TX 75

[seekupig]

I think your game against Texas will be a good one.

I'll go

KU 76
TX 75

i actually like Texas in this game. they got blown out by OSU on saturday. they survived the trap game @ KSU on wednesday. Gameday will be in Austin. i just don't see them losing to a bunch of freshman on that stage. if KU wins that game........... i don't know. are they for real? i'm not sold yet. i want to believe they are, but i've been let down more than once by the Jayhawks. i'd rather not have expectations and over achieve than have expectations and get let down.

Bucknell
Syracuse
Arizona
Virginia
Duke
UNC
UTEP
Kentucky
Maryland

just a few of the teams that have knocked us out of the tourney over the years. there's only two teams on that list that i actually feel had the better team that year.

[skatcat]

That game in Austin is too close for me to call. KU is playing better than UT at the moment. But homecourt, gameday fans going nuts.....UT has the edge, i won't be surprised either way.

[seekupig]

That game in Austin is too close for me to call. KU is playing better than UT at the moment. But homecourt, gameday fans going nuts.....UT has the edge, i won't be surprised either way.

:thumbsup

[rconverse]

Nope


All the same I hate UNC. I guess them winning it all last year doesn't exactly prove my statement.

[unccrombie]

All the same I hate UNC. I guess them winning it all last year doesn't exactly prove my statement.
the best team in the country won ;)

[clayj41]

the best team in the country won ;)

:thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup

[rconverse]

:thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup

Last year boys, last year.

[unccrombie]

Last year boys, last year.
wont be your year, wont be your year

[clayj41]

Last year boys, last year.

See how far Duke actually makes it before you even begin bragging.:p

[rconverse]

See how far Duke actually makes it before you even begin bragging.:p

Yeah, I prefer friendly shit talking prior to winning anything as opposed to cocky bragging after the fact.

I am well aware that Duke may not even make it to the Final Four.

[clayj41]

wont be your year, wont be your year

:thumbsup UConn is probably my second favorite team right now because they've got the best chance of stopping Duke.:lol

[rconverse]

:thumbsup UConn is probably my second favorite team right now because they've got the best chance of stopping Duke.:lol

Fuck UCONN. They always beat Duke when it counts. If it weren't for the fact I hate UNC and Maryland so much or if Duke played UCONN more often, UCONN would be my most hated school.

[RJ2kWJ]

wont be your year, wont be your year

Why do you say that? Honestly... what can you back this up with? Duke has had close games? Big deal... UConn beat Notre Dame by 1, LSU by 1, lost to Marquette by 15. Villanova beat Cincy by two, barely beat Notre Dame, struggled and barely beat Temple. As for Texas.... we absolutely CRUSHED them. So, I hope you have another reason except "Duke has barely beat some teams" because all the top teams have "barely beat some teams".

[UNC41]

All the same I hate UNC. I guess them winning it all last year doesn't exactly prove my statement.

Yeah I didn't get the statement of Duke blowing by UNC. They have been to the same amount of Final Fours this decade and have each won one title. Duke has the better team this year, but the Heels are a legit top 20 team after losing their seven players. And Roy's recruiting class next year is absolutely insane. He did an excellent job recruting at Kansas, but it is easier to get top talent at UNC and he'll continue to get them and know what to do with them. I don't see Duke having a downfall anytime when Coach K is still there. I just don't see them moving past UNC while Roy is there either though.

[UNC41]

Why do you say that? Honestly... what can you back this up with? Duke has had close games? Big deal... UConn beat Notre Dame by 1, LSU by 1, lost to Marquette by 15. Villanova beat Cincy by two, barely beat Notre Dame, struggled and barely beat Temple. As for Texas.... we absolutely CRUSHED them. So, I hope you have another reason except "Duke has barely beat some teams" because all the top teams have "barely beat some teams".

I didn't say it, but I think UConn is the best team in the nation. There isn't a frontcourt that compares to the Huskies, and their guards are in the top 10 in the country too. Marcus Williams is easily the best PG in the country. I've said it before and I'll say again. They remind me of last year's UNC team. Easily the most talented in the nation, just not as focused as they should be at all times. When it comes to March I think they will be and will win it all.

[gbs3769]

Why do you say that? Honestly... what can you back this up with? Duke has had close games? Big deal... UConn beat Notre Dame by 1, LSU by 1, lost to Marquette by 15. Villanova beat Cincy by two, barely beat Notre Dame, struggled and barely beat Temple. As for Texas.... we absolutely CRUSHED them. So, I hope you have another reason except "Duke has barely beat some teams" because all the top teams have "barely beat some teams".
Duke lost to Georgetown.
UConn beat Georgetown.
Villanova beat Georgetown.

And no, that really doesn't mean anything. However, UConn and Nova play in a more difficult conference than Duke and they are ranked #2 and #1 respectively in the most difficult conference in the country. Sunday's game at Gampel is going to show who the best team in the country is.

- Primo

[UNC41]

I didn't say it, but I think UConn is the best team in the nation. There isn't a frontcourt that compares to the Huskies, and their guards are in the top 10 in the country too. Marcus Williams is easily the best PG in the country. I've said it before and I'll say again. They remind me of last year's UNC team. Easily the most talented in the nation, just not as focused as they should be at all times. When it comes to March I think they will be and will win it all.

I didn't edit in time, but would like to add something. Just because UConn is the most talented team, they won't necessarly win. I think they will, but it doesn't always happen. That's the beauty of March. Syracuse wasn't the most talented team in the nation in 2003. UConn wasn't in 1999.

[seekupig]

new bracketology is out.....

UNC moves up to a #3.
KU still a #5.

Duke would have a potential sweet sixteen matchup with WVU.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/bracketology

[SteelerMan]

new bracketology is out.....

UNC moves up to a #3.
KU still a #5.

Duke would have a potential sweet sixteen matchup with WVU.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/bracketology

I don't really have a problem with UNC being a #3, but to have them as a #3 and BC as a #6 is a little ridiculous. If UNC is a 3, BC should at least be a 4.

[seekupig]

I don't really have a problem with UNC being a #3, but to have them as a #3 and BC as a #6 is a little ridiculous. If UNC is a 3, BC should at least be a 4.

you get bonus points for Roy Williams and wearing Carolina Blue.;)

BC doesn't have either one of those things going for them.....

[SteelerMan]

you get bonus points for Roy Williams and wearing Carolina Blue.;)

BC doesn't have either one of those things going for them.....

Well, I wouldn't say UNC is undeserving of a #3 seed (though I'd put them in as a #4), but BC isn't getting any respect as a #6. It's more about BC getting overlooked than UNC getting bonus points, although I agree that it's true.

[seekupig]

Well, I wouldn't say UNC is undeserving of a #3 seed (though I'd put them in as a #4), but BC isn't getting any respect as a #6. It's more about BC getting overlooked than UNC getting bonus points, although I agree that it's true.

BC is 8-5 in conference play and just got manhandled by UVA. they'll move up if they beat NC State this weekend...

[seekupig]

from Andy Katz....

That's it. Not bad for a team whose top seven scorers are freshmen and sophomores, which led the nation in field-goal defense last week (36.1 percent), was eighth nationally in assists per game (18.1) and has had balance with nine different players leading the team in scoring and has nine players who average 14 minutes or more a game.

How many teams are led by two freshmen in scoring -- Rush (14.2 ppg) and Chalmers (10.7 ppg) -- and have a legit chance to reach the Final Four? How many have only two double-figure scorers and have that shot? Only one: Kansas (although in Big 12 games, Rush, Chalmers and Robinson are all in double figures).

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/columns/story?columnist=katz_andy&id=2343091

[gbs3769]

Well, I wouldn't say UNC is undeserving of a #3 seed (though I'd put them in as a #4), but BC isn't getting any respect as a #6. It's more about BC getting overlooked than UNC getting bonus points, although I agree that it's true.
Well lets see here, BC's RPI is a 34. They have a SOS of 95 and a Non-Conference SOS of 276. The same thing that is effecting GW is going to effect BC. Their non-conference SOS just isn't good enough.

UNC on the other hand, has a non-conference SOS of 59.

- Primo

[seekupig]

Well lets see here, BC's RPI is a 34. They have a SOS of 95 and a Non-Conference SOS of 276. The same thing that is effecting GW is going to effect BC. Their non-conference SOS just isn't good enough.

UNC on the other hand, has a non-conference SOS of 59.

- Primo

:thumbsup

[SteelerMan]

Well lets see here, BC's RPI is a 34. They have a SOS of 95 and a Non-Conference SOS of 276. The same thing that is effecting GW is going to effect BC. Their non-conference SOS just isn't good enough.

UNC on the other hand, has a non-conference SOS of 59.

- Primo

:thumbsup

Thanks. Now I don't have to feel guilty about my Heels being a #3 while BC is slumming it down at #6.

[rconverse]

:thumbsup

Thanks. Now I don't have to feel guilty about my Heels being a #3 while BC is slumming it down at #6.

Why would you feel guilty? If you're going to feel guilty about anything, you should feel guilty about the Steelers winning the SB and the ridiculous calls the refs made! :D

[gbs3769]

Thanks. Now I don't have to feel guilty about my Heels being a #3 while BC is slumming it down at #6.
No reason to feel guilty at all. I just wanted to point out why BC shouldn't get a higher seed.

- Primo

[d+ter]

can someone shed some light for me as to why Texas is a 2-seed? 4 losses coming at an average of 19 points per loss. they are the most unimpressive "top tier" team to watch by far.

[seekupig]

Chapel Hill, NC

this sucks.....:(

http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/story.jsp?idq=/ff/story/0001%2F20060224%2F1109856725.htm&sc=1110

[unccrombie]

they obviously havent learned to not fool around indoors. youve been hearing that since 6. sad though

[SteelerMan]

Why would you feel guilty? If you're going to feel guilty about anything, you should feel guilty about the Steelers winning the SB and the ridiculous calls the refs made! :D

:lol

I feel no shame.

[RJ2kWJ]

Duke lost to Georgetown.
UConn beat Georgetown.
Villanova beat Georgetown.

And no, that really doesn't mean anything. However, UConn and Nova play in a more difficult conference than Duke and they are ranked #2 and #1 respectively in the most difficult conference in the country. Sunday's game at Gampel is going to show who the best team in the country is.

- Primo

Dont give me that. Duke is #1 in the nation with the hardest schedule in College basketball, and the loss to G-town was by 3 when Shelden had the worst game of his life. Big deal.

I will admit when someone gives a "good" reason that Duke wont win the Natty... but so far the reasoning is HORRIBLE. Arguing against the strength of schedule, or arguing close games, etc... is only hurting your argument. Badly.

[rconverse]

Dont give me that. Duke is #1 in the nation with the hardest schedule in College basketball, and the loss to G-town was by 3 when Shelden had the worst game of his life. Big deal.

You tell'em!

[Third Floor]

i drove through durham and im in chapel hill today. i feel dirty.

[rconverse]

i drove through durham and im in chapel hill today. i feel dirty.

Do you really feel dirty, or do you like the feeling and that makes you feel dirty? :D

[UNC41]

you get bonus points for Roy Williams and wearing Carolina Blue.;)

Looks like someone misses that treatment.:D

[Third Floor]

Do you really feel dirty, or do you like the feeling and that makes you feel dirty? :D
liking it would be the last way i would describe how i feel right now.

[seekupig]

liking it would be the last way i would describe how i feel right now.

you have to admit though, Chapel Hill is a beautiful campus.

[Third Floor]

http://www.wfu.edu/visitors/tour/aerial.jpg

and

http://www.wfu.edu/visitors/tour/venice.jpg

thats a beautiful campus.

[haildmb]

i drove through durham and im in chapel hill today. i feel dirty.


i'm a Duke fan, but going through durham should make anyone feel dirty. Except for that one nice little corner just west of downtown :D

[ousooner]

http://www.wfu.edu/visitors/tour/aerial.jpg

and

http://www.wfu.edu/visitors/tour/venice.jpg

thats a beautiful campus.
:thumbsup Nice campus

[seekupig]

i'm a Duke fan, but going through durham should make anyone feel dirty. Except for that one nice little corner just west of downtown :D

Duke in Durham is the equivalent of a beautiful resort in a third world country.

[seekupig]

lots of big games this weekend...... let's see who can pick the most. anyone that get's them all, i'll send a free show.

Syracuse @ Georgetown
Michigan @ Ohio St.
Louisville @ West Virginia
Duke @ Temple
Kentucky @ LSU
Boston College @ NC State
Kansas St. @ Oklahoma
Iowa @ Illinois
Kansas @ Texas
Michigan St. @ Indiana
Villanova @ UConn
Maryland @ UNC

[seekupig]

ESPN2 is showing the C of C vs. Davidson game and the Georgetown vs. Syracuse game is on ESPN Full Court. what the hell?

[bothedmbfan]

lots of big games this weekend...... let's see who can pick the most. anyone that get's them all, i'll send a free show.

Syracuse @ Georgetown
Michigan @ Ohio St.
Louisville @ West Virginia
Duke @ Temple
Kentucky @ LSU
Boston College @ NC State
Kansas St. @ Oklahoma
Iowa @ Illinois
Kansas @ Texas
Michigan St. @ Indiana
Villanova @ UConn
Maryland @ UNC

1. Syracuse
2. Michigan
3. West Virginia
4. Duke
5. Kentucky
6. BC
7. Oklahoma
8. Illinois
9. Kansas
10. Indiana(come one, you guys can pull 1 off)
11. UConn
12. UNC

[Giant Jew]

I really hope Cuse can win this one today

[seekupig]

Georgetown
Ohio St.
West Virginia
Duke
LSU
NC State
Oklahoma
Illinois
Texas
Michigan St.
UConn
UNC

[RJ2kWJ]

lots of big games this weekend...... let's see who can pick the most. anyone that get's them all, i'll send a free show.

Syracuse @ Georgetown
Michigan @ Ohio St.
Louisville @ West Virginia
Duke @ Temple
Kentucky @ LSU
Boston College @ NC State
Kansas St. @ Oklahoma
Iowa @ Illinois
Kansas @ Texas
Michigan St. @ Indiana
Villanova @ UConn
Maryland @ UNC

Mine....

Edit: Just realized they are the same as yours... that ok? :D

[skatcat]

lots of big games this weekend...... let's see who can pick the most. anyone that get's them all, i'll send a free show.

Syracuse @ Georgetown
Michigan @ Ohio St.
Louisville @ West Virginia
Duke @ Temple
Kentucky @ LSU
Boston College @ NC State
Kansas St. @ Oklahoma
Iowa @ Illinois
Kansas @ Texas
Michigan St. @ Indiana
Villanova @ UConn
Maryland @ UNC



G'town
OSU
W.V.
Duke
UK
NC St.
Okla
Illinois
UT
Mich St.
Villanova
UNC

[Giant Jew]

lots of big games this weekend...... let's see who can pick the most. anyone that get's them all, i'll send a free show.

Syracuse @ Georgetown
Michigan @ Ohio St.
Louisville @ West Virginia
Duke @ Temple
Kentucky @ LSU
Boston College @ NC State
Kansas St. @ Oklahoma
Iowa @ Illinois
Kansas @ Texas
Michigan St. @ Indiana
Villanova @ UConn
Maryland @ UNC



Cuse
Ohio St.
West Virginia
Duke
Kentucky
NC State
Oklahoma
Illinois
Texas
Michigan St.
UConn
UNC

[JamesM]

Syracuse @ Georgetown-syracuse
Michigan @ Ohio St.- michigan
Louisville @ West Virginia- wvu
Duke @ Temple-duke
Kentucky @ LSU-lsu
Boston College @ NC State- BC
Kansas St. @ Oklahoma-oklahoma
Iowa @ Illinois-illinois
Kansas @ Texas-texas
Michigan St. @ Indiana-indiana
Villanova @ UConn-nova
Maryland @ UNC -unc

well theres my 2 cents

[seekupig]

Mine....

Edit: Just realized they are the same as yours... that ok? :D

i'm pretty sure it'd be that way most of the time....... until the Blue Devils and Jayhawks meet up. ;)

[RJ2kWJ]

i'm pretty sure it'd be that way most of the time....... until the Blue Devils and Jayhawks meet up. ;)

Then its on!!!! :multi :twenty4 :D

[clayj41]

lots of big games this weekend...... let's see who can pick the most. anyone that get's them all, i'll send a free show.

Syracuse @ Georgetown
Michigan @ Ohio St.
Louisville @ West Virginia
Duke @ Temple
Kentucky @ LSU
Boston College @ NC State
Kansas St. @ Oklahoma
Iowa @ Illinois
Kansas @ Texas
Michigan St. @ Indiana
Villanova @ UConn
Maryland @ UNC

Georgetown
Ohio St.
WVU
Duke
LSU
BC
OU
Iowa
Texas
Mich. St.
UConn
UNC

[seekupig]

Georgetown
Ohio St.
WVU
Duke
LSU
BC
OU
Iowa
Texas
Mich. St.
UConn
UNC

way to wait until it's a 15 point game with under two to go to make your picks. ;)

[seekupig]

Syracuse loses to Georgetown

[clayj41]

way to wait until it's a 15 point game with under two to go to make your picks. ;)

Honestly though, I had no idea the game was on until after I typed those. Then I saw it and felt kinda bad.:lol

[ousooner]

Watching the Arkansas-Tennessee game. Hogs have rallied back to go up 4 with 1:03 to go. That's not a team anybody wants to play if they get into the tournament. Very talented and athletic.

[HolyCow]

Watching the Arkansas-Tennessee game. Hogs have rallied back to go up 4 with 1:03 to go. That's not a team anybody wants to play if they get into the tournament. Very talented and athletic.

:thumbsup Ronnie Brewer can take over any game.

What Memphis is this year, I see Arkansas being next year.

[ousooner]

Arkansas conference road losses this year

at Miss St 67-69
at Alabama 75-78 overtime
at Kentucky 76-78
at LSU 77-78
at Miss 70-73

Hogs win 73-69. They've beaten Florida, Alabama, and Tennessee in their last 3. That should lock them into the tournament.

[HolyCow]

This is a big game for the Sooners today against KSU. With a win, and a little luck we can still get the #2 seed in the Big XII tourny.

I am off to the LNC to watch Michael Neal rain the threes!

[ousooner]

This is a big game for the Sooners today against KSU. With a win, and a little luck we can still get the #2 seed in the Big XII tourny.

I am off to the LNC to watch Michael Neal rain the threes!
Cheer like a champion today!

[Bswartz95]

Nice win for the Buckeyes. :bounce

Terrible day shooting and still a 10 point win. :monkey

[MLesser]

Nice win for the Buckeyes. :bounce

Terrible day shooting and still a 10 point win. :monkey


Poeple better watch out for the Buckeyes.... Wow, they are a VERY good team.

[UNLTrpt]

after today I think we can safely say that the race for the fourth seed in the Big 12 is down to two. Colorado and NU-aTm winner

[Bswartz95]

:monkey

http://www.antsmarching.org/forum/showpost.php?p=4011302&postcount=26675

[MLesser]

after today I think we can safely say that the race for the fourth seed in the Big 12 is down to two. Colorado and NU-aTm winner


Is that how bad the Big 12 is this year?

Man, Colorado (even though I was born and raised here) is the most overhyped team if they get in. They are not that good. Roby is good and everyone else is nothing special.

m

[MLesser]

after today I think we can safely say that the race for the fourth seed in the Big 12 is down to two. Colorado and NU-aTm winner


Is that how bad the Big 12 is this year?

Man, Colorado (even though I was born and raised here) is the most overhyped team if they get in. They are not that good. Roby is good and everyone else is nothing special.

m

[MLesser]

after today I think we can safely say that the race for the fourth seed in the Big 12 is down to two. Colorado and NU-aTm winner


Is that how bad the Big 12 is this year?

Man, Colorado (even though I was born and raised here) is the most overhyped team if they get in. They are not that good. Roby is good and everyone else is nothing special.

m

[DMBfan41]

JJ Redick

#1 ALL TIME IN ACC SCORING

[RJ2kWJ]

JJ Redick

#1 ALL TIME IN ACC SCORING

Bad game. He got some good looks and couldnt bang some down. Oh well. He got it. :D

[ousooner]

Sweatin' another one out. Will it ever end?

[ousooner]

Unbelievable! 3 straight 1 point wins. Keep playing with fire and you're eventually going to get burned.

[UNLTrpt]

and now I can officially say, baring a semifinal or finals run int he Big 12 tourney, Nebraska is going to the NIT.

[UNLTrpt]

Is that how bad the Big 12 is this year?

Man, Colorado (even though I was born and raised here) is the most overhyped team if they get in. They are not that good. Roby is good and everyone else is nothing special.

m

[chiznaz]

Is that how bad the Big 12 is this year?

Man, Colorado (even though I was born and raised here) is the most overhyped team if they get in. They are not that good. Roby is good and everyone else is nothing special.

m

I can't believe how much attention they are getting. They started off good, but man they have really flatened out. A&M needs to split the next two games, but if they beat UT, they should get the nod for the tourny. I jsut hope they don't get beat in the 1st round of the BigXII tourny like last year.

[ousooner]

Is that how bad the Big 12 is this year?

Man, Colorado (even though I was born and raised here) is the most overhyped team if they get in. They are not that good. Roby is good and everyone else is nothing special.

m

[UNLTrpt]

Is that how bad the Big 12 is this year?

Man, Colorado (even though I was born and raised here) is the most overhyped team if they get in. They are not that good. Roby is good and everyone else is nothing special.

m

:lol

[MRGreySt.YNK]

Big 12 sucks.

[ousooner]

:lol
:thumbsup

[ousooner]

Big 12 sucks.
Good one :thumbsdow

[UNLTrpt]

I think we're done now Brian. I didn't think that after TTech but we're done now.

[ousooner]

I think we're done now Brian. I didn't think that after TTech but we're done now.
That sucks. That's a terrible feeling not making the tournament. Maybe next year. How many seniors do you lose?

[UNLTrpt]

That sucks. That's a terrible feeling not making the tournament. Maybe next year. How many seniors do you lose?

4 but only 2 that matter. Jason Dourisseau and Wes Wilkenson. Wes will be the biggest loss. He's an awesome power foward and he'll be missed that's for sure. Jason I'm very indifferent towards. He's good on the defensive end but horrible on offence. Can't shoot a free throw to save his life and is always out of control. We have some good guys coming in but this team is much more talented than what they've shown.

And then if Barry is gone then we're in essence starting over.

[nickcua]

Kansas is unraveling vs UT as I type.

[DMBfan41]

FDU vs Monmouth - Monday Night

Winner gets Home Court during NEC tournament, can't wait!

[seekupig]

that sucked.

Texas couldn't miss, Kansas couldn't hit. not a good combination.

[ousooner]

that sucked.

Texas couldn't miss, Kansas couldn't hit. not a good combination.
That was a tough one, but that will give them something to focus on going to the post season. It should make them stronger in the long run.

[seekupig]

That was a tough one, but that will give them something to focus on going to the post season. It should make them stronger in the long run.

did you see the new thread started just for Kansas losing a road game to a top ten team? :lol

[ousooner]

did you see the new thread started just for Kansas losing a road game to a top ten team? :lol
The guy claims to be from Lincoln, a Nebraska football fan, and a NC hoops fan. That should tell you all you need to know.

[RJ2kWJ]

Before I was worried about meating KU in the tourney.... But I just realized that we beat Texas by 31. :D :lol

[chiznaz]

that sucked.

Texas couldn't miss, Kansas couldn't hit. not a good combination.

well we have to play texas this week, and we play a very similar offense to KU and have similar defensive philosophy. That being said, very are way less talented than KU, so it might be a long game to watch.

time to cross the fingers.

[HolyCow]

Big 12 sucks.

You sucks.


I can't wait for Bedlam.

In the second half of every home game, Kelvin Sampson comes on the big screen and tells people not to drink and drive. Yesterday at the KSU game, we students gave a soft little "Ed-die Sut-ton" chant during it. I can't imagine what it will be like Monday.

A girl sitting next to me asked her boyfriend what had happened to the Kansas St. coach and her boyfriend promptly replied, "Eddie Sutton hit him." :lol

[ousooner]

well we have to play texas this week, and we play a very similar offense to KU and have similar defensive philosophy. That being said, very are way less talented than KU, so it might be a long game to watch.

time to cross the fingers.
You need to win that game so we can go to Austin next weekend and beat texas after KState beats Kansas and we have a three way split for the regular season championship. It could happen.

[ousooner]

You sucks.


I can't wait for Bedlam.

In the second half of every home game, Kelvin Sampson comes on the big screen and tells people not to drink and drive. Yesterday at the KSU game, we students gave a soft little "Ed-die Sut-ton" chant during it. I can't imagine what it will be like Monday.

A girl sitting next to me asked her boyfriend what had happened to the Kansas St. coach and her boyfriend promptly replied, "Eddie Sutton hit him." :lol
Yes, it could get ugly tomorrow night, but I won't feel to sorry for the Pokies. They certainly take every opportunity to abuse Kelvin. Too bad I'll only be able to catch the last few minutes. Darn school ruined Big Monday for me this year.

[dmbinchicago]

Before I was worried about meating KU in the tourney.... But I just realized that we beat Texas by 31. :D :lol
Texas is playing much better than they were when they played Duke.

[haildmb]

Texas is playing much better than they were when they played Duke.


Absolutely. Evidenced by their 21 pt loss to OSU last week

[RJ2kWJ]

Absolutely. Evidenced by their 21 pt loss to OSU last week

:lol :lol :lol Beat me to it...

[dmbinchicago]

They've had some bad games on the road, but overall they are playing well. I don't think they the #7 team in the country though.

[HolyCow]

Yes, it could get ugly tomorrow night, but I won't feel to sorry for the Pokies. They certainly take every opportunity to abuse Kelvin. Too bad I'll only be able to catch the last few minutes. Darn school ruined Big Monday for me this year.
Oh, I am going to lay it on thick. They have earned it with all their trash talking.

[seekupig]

Before I was worried about meating KU in the tourney.... But I just realized that we beat Texas by 31. :D :lol

i wouldn't read too much into that game, but i'm sure most people will.

Texas shot 55% from the field and made 10 three pointers. just one of those games that one team played their best when the other played their worst. it happens.

[d+ter]

i wouldn't read too much into that game, but i'm sure most people will.

Texas shot 55% from the field and made 10 three pointers. just one of those games that one team played their best when the other played their worst. it happens.
read too much into which game? duke stomping texas? what's not to read? texas is in a different class from the top tier. they are inconsisent and it will show in the tournament (IMO, of course.)

[RJ2kWJ]

Come onnnnnn Villanova. The bracketologists were saying if Nova pulls the victory that UConn would most likely be on the opposite side of the bracket as Duke... what I've ALWAYS wanted.

[seekupig]

read too much into which game? duke stomping texas? what's not to read? texas is in a different class from the top tier. they are inconsisent and it will show in the tournament (IMO, of course.)

i was talking about the Kansas vs. Texas game.

[unccrombie]

Come onnnnnn Villanova. The bracketologists were saying if Nova pulls the victory that UConn would most likely be on the opposite side of the bracket as Duke... what I've ALWAYS wanted.
they can't handle the bigs, game over

[seekupig]

Before I was worried about meating KU in the tourney.... But I just realized that we beat Texas by 31. :D :lol

Kansas played @ Texas.
Duke played Texas @ home. ;)

it's a little bit different.

[unccrombie]

so how about the overrated chant by the uconn kids? real classy :rolleyes

[seekupig]

so how about the overrated chant by the uconn kids? real classy :rolleyes

i think that is the stupidest chant in all of sports.

what you are basically saying is "if we can beat you, you're not that good."

[RJ2kWJ]

they can't handle the bigs, game over

Damn damn damn. Hope to still meet UConn in the final 4...

And I agree... Ive never liked that chant for the exact reason Dustin said.

[haildmb]

so how about the overrated chant by the uconn kids? real classy :rolleyes


yeah that was assinine, but what do you expect when you're talking about uconn

[seekupig]

yeah that was assinine, but what do you expect when you're talking about uconn

not everyone can be as witty as the Crazies. i'm not a Duke fan (which is pretty well documented in this thread :lol ), but at least their fans are somewhat original with their chants....

[haildmb]

not everyone can be as witty as the Crazies. i'm not a Duke fan (which is pretty well documented in this thread :lol ), but at least their fans are somewhat original with their chants....


yeah, it's sad to see schools blatantly copying them too (michigan state comes to mind)

[unccrombie]

well new chants are sweet, but saying over rated to a team you lost to earlier in the year and thats one of the top 5 teams in the country is ridiculous. personally i'd just go back to the high school gym and recruit some chants. things get real personal and funny there

[Dave G]

so how about the overrated chant by the uconn kids? real classy :rolleyes

Yeah I'm a UConn fan and I thought that that was rather embarrassing

[clayj41]

Georgetown
Ohio St.
WVU
Duke
LSU
BC
OU
Iowa
Texas
Mich. St.
UConn
UNC

10/12. Seems the only thing that screwed me on these picks was taking to road teams in Big Ten games. I should've known better.

[clayj41]

Also, I couldn't believe that IU won today! The best part of the game for me though would have to be the Naismith salute to Antawn Jamison!:D

[UNC41]

read too much into which game? duke stomping texas? what's not to read? texas is in a different class from the top tier. they are inconsisent and it will show in the tournament (IMO, of course.)

By top tier I am going to assume you mean UConn, Duke, Villanova and possibly Memphis. I think its safe to say they are assumed to be the four teams in the country. I'm not sure if you know it or not, but they are 2-1 against those teams, including a win at Memphis. I wouldn't read too much into one game. Carolina lost to Santa Clara last year and what they did. :D

[UNC41]

Ohh, and I was working today and didn't get to watch the game, but from everything I read UNC didn't play well and still spanked Maryland. I told myself before the season I wouldn't get any hopes about this team, but its getting tougher and tougher not to.

[Third Floor]

By top tier I am going to assume you mean UConn, Duke, Villanova and possibly Memphis. I think its safe to say they are assumed to be the four teams in the country. I'm not sure if you know it or not, but they are 2-1 against those teams, including a win at Memphis. I wouldn't read too much into one game. Carolina lost to Santa Clara last year and what they did. :D

i didnt know the garden moved to memphis.

MSG is not a memphis home game. it was more of a duke home game. just like the texas game.

[seekupig]

i didnt know the garden moved to memphis.

MSG is not a memphis home game. it was more of a duke home game. just like the texas game.

any place Duke plays that's not actually on the other team's home court is a home game for the Blue Devils.

Cameron Indoor
Greensboro Coliseum
MSG
Continental Airlines Arena

why do you think Coach K scheduled that game "at" Georgetown? because it was going to be played at the MCI Center. anyone want to guess which regional Duke has a possibility of playing in?

[UNC41]

i didnt know the garden moved to memphis.

MSG is not a memphis home game. it was more of a duke home game. just like the texas game.

Texas vs. Memphis @ Memphis. Check it out. That's where the game was played.

[gbs3769]

I hate how we just gave up in the second half.

- Primo

[Third Floor]

any place Duke plays that's not actually on the other team's home court is a home game for the Blue Devils.

Cameron Indoor
Greensboro Coliseum
MSG
Continental Airlines Arena

why do you think Coach K scheduled that game "at" Georgetown? because it was going to be played at the MCI Center. anyone want to guess which regional Duke has a possibility of playing in?
Gtown plays their home games "at" the MCI Center.
yeah, i mean playing there may have been the reason that K scheduled it, but its not like playing texas in North Durham, NJ.

[ousooner]

17. Oklahoma 19-6 289
18. West Virginia 19-8 215

Didn't West Virginia come to OKC and lay a 30 point beatdown on the Sooners earlier this year? I guess the pollsters have been really impressed by our recent string of 1 point wins over average competition.

[gbs3769]

West Virginia lost to Syracuse. That is bound to drop you a few points in the polls.

- Primo

[ousooner]

West Virginia lost to Syracuse. That is bound to drop you a few points in the polls.

- Primo
I just noticed your senior night. Good luck with that.

Edit: I guess tonight is our senior night. That would suck to blow it against the Pokes. We went into Stillwater a couple of years ago and won on their senior night. It was the last game in the old Gallager Iba Arena before they expanded it. They had this big ceremony at halftime and everything. Then we came from 13 or 14 down with about six minutes to go to steal the game. That was beautiful.

[gbs3769]

I just noticed your senior night. Good luck with that.
The only thing that could save us is that we will have ~35,000 people at the game.

- Primo

[unccrombie]

The only thing that could save us is that we will have ~35,000 people at the game.

- Primo
are you mixing mascotts? :lol

[gbs3769]

are you mixing mascotts? :lol
No. I'm just giving Otto a little St. Patrick's Day Flare.

- Primo

[UNLTrpt]

I just noticed your senior night. Good luck with that.

Edit: I guess tonight is our senior night. That would suck to blow it against the Pokes. We went into Stillwater a couple of years ago and won on their senior night. It was the last game in the old Gallager Iba Arena before they expanded it. They had this big ceremony at halftime and everything. Then we came from 13 or 14 down with about six minutes to go to steal the game. That was beautiful.

OSU has played two very good games in a row.

[UNC41]

17. Oklahoma 19-6 289
18. West Virginia 19-8 215

Didn't West Virginia come to OKC and lay a 30 point beatdown on the Sooners earlier this year? I guess the pollsters have been really impressed by our recent string of 1 point wins over average competition.

When you lose three out of your last four and eek by Louisville you're going to drop.

[ousooner]

When you lose three out of your last four and eek by Louisville you're going to drop.
Yeah I know, it just looks funny considering how bad they beat us.

[unccrombie]

No. I'm just giving Otto a little St. Patrick's Day Flare.

- Primo
sure, sure. someone's a closet ND fan

[gbs3769]

sure, sure. someone's a closet ND fan
Just wait til my Otto Bunny comes out...

- Primo

[clayj41]

The new bracketology has UNC as a #3 seed. IU is a #10.

[unccrombie]

Just wait til my Otto Bunny comes out...

- Primo
i wish i did see an orange bunny, then i could tell people i was trippin on acid

[UNC41]

I'm getting so sick of ESPN playing that interview with Coach K where he talks about the refs. I think I've seen it five times since Saturday. I really wish someone would have asked him about the comments he made in 1984 about Dean Smith during that interview.

"I want to tell you something. You cannot allow people to go around pointing at officials and yelling at them without technicals being called. That is just not allowed. So let's get some things straight around here and quit the double standard that exists in this league, all right?"

[Third Floor]

they have. he walks it back about how it was just that one instance.

what they need to do is follow up his statement with gary williams where he says the same thing about coach K.

what they never point out is that the ACC has already suspended a ref crew for their work at a duke game. but instead they rationalize it to make sure everyone knows that duke is inface not getting special treatment.

[d+ter]

what a ridiculously pathetic win for oklahoma. how is that not a T after the second free throw? that's such bullshit.

[ousooner]

Unbelievable! 4 straight 1 point wins. Keep playing with fire and you're eventually going to get burned.
Let me play it back for you.

[ousooner]

what a ridiculously pathetic win for oklahoma. how is that not a T after the second free throw? that's such bullshit.
Let your hatred go man. It's not healthy.

Edit: They thought there was a timeout called. Whether it should have been a technical, I don't know.

[twosteppn36]

what a stupid move by the oklahoma st player

[UNC41]

what a stupid move by the oklahoma st player

He fucked up.

[mizzoudmbfan]

Oklahoma has to be one of the most overrated teams in the nation...well, I don't know about nation, but definitely the Big XII.

4 one point wins(I know, a W is W) in a row against teams that are decent at best(ISU, Techsas, KSU, and now the Pokes). Who have they beat all year? Texas in Norman, anyone else?

[d+ter]

Let your hatred go man. It's not healthy.

Edit: They thought there was a timeout called. Whether it should have been a technical, I don't know.
so either there's a T for the whole team coming on the floor or if they saw someone call a timeout, there's a T chris webber style. there's no way around it. sorry.

i definitely agree with mizzoudmbfan.

[ousooner]

so either there's a T for the whole team coming on the floor or if they saw someone call a timeout, there's a T chris webber style. there's no way around it. sorry.

i definitely agree with mizzoudmbfan.
I wouldn't expect anything different

[unccrombie]

so either there's a T for the whole team coming on the floor or if they saw someone call a timeout, there's a T chris webber style. there's no way around it. sorry.

i definitely agree with mizzoudmbfan.
id have to agree as well

[d+ter]

I wouldn't expect anything different
good to know we're still on the same page, brian ;)

[ousooner]

good to know we're still on the same page, brian ;)
Isn't it great? I'm not going to argue with you. You hate Oklahoma, I'm going to defend them when necessary. There's no need to defend this team right now. They aren't very good. I know we haven't beaten anybody but texas. I'm not going to chase down my past posts, but I've already said that. I have no clue how our RPI as of yesterday was #12.

[d+ter]

Isn't it great? I'm not going to argue with you. You hate Oklahoma, I'm going to defend them when necessary. There's no need to defend this team right now. They aren't very good. I know we haven't beaten anybody but texas. I'm not going to chase down my past posts, but I've already said that. I have no clue how our RPI as of yesterday was #12.
it's not that i hate oklahoma. honestly. (i'm actually looking forward to watching a healthy "AD" next year.) i just tuned into the end of that game. if okey state would have won i honestly would have come in and posted that it was a ridiculously pathetic win for them too. just because i think you guys care what i think ;) seriously i would have. i just couldn't believe that the whole team came on the court and nothing happened. nothing.

[ousooner]

it's not that i hate oklahoma. honestly. (i'm actually looking forward to watching a healthy "AD" next year.) i just tuned into the end of that game. if okey state would have won i honestly would have come in and posted that it was a ridiculously pathetic win for them too. just because i think you guys care what i think ;) seriously i would have. i just couldn't believe that the whole team came on the court and nothing happened. nothing.
They definitely could have called something, but you heard the whistle and the OState players are walking toward there bench. The ref had to wait for OState to come back down court to inbound the ball. It was just confusion. I'm not saying that they shouldn't have called something. Bookout walked on that dunk to begin with too. But what goes around comes around. Nobody remembers Victor William's bank shot in Stillwater in 2002 after the shot clock expired with 3.6 seconds to go in the game. Photos clearly showed the ball was still in his hands when the shotclock expired and OState won 48-46.

[HolyCow]

I will defend OU. I think we are good, and I will stand alone in this one.

We are 20- and 11-4 in the conference. We win and that is what freakin counts. Russ, seriously man. Any college basketball game that is down to the wire and a big shot is hit, the team comes out on the floor a little, but nothing is ever done. This isn't the first time this has happened.

[seekupig]

nice win Sooners.

Bookout is one hell of an athlete. i never realized someone that size could catch the ball at the top of the key and dunk it taking only two steps. :lol :D

[HolyCow]

nice win Sooners.

Bookout is one hell of an athlete. i never realized someone that size could catch the ball at the top of the key and dunk it taking only two steps. :lol :D

You know he is an All-American in the shot put right?

:lol

[d+ter]

I will defend OU. I think we are good, and I will stand alone in this one.

We are 20- and 11-4 in the conference. We win and that is what freakin counts. Russ, seriously man. Any college basketball game that is down to the wire and a big shot is hit, the team comes out on the floor a little, but nothing is ever done. This isn't the first time this has happened.
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