Preseason NCAA Basketball Poll is released

[seekupig]

I really hope we take texas tomorrow.

so do i. how would you feel about helping KU win the Big XII outright? :D

[seekupig]

nice win, Heels. looks like Duke's lack of depth is starting to catch up with them at the wrong time of the year. UNC is going to be a tough out come tourney time. they're going to be one of those teams that can really jack your bracket up though. they could lose in the second round or get to the Final Four. matchups are going to be very important when filling in brackets next weekend...

[clayj41]

Who would've thought that UNC and Kansas would be setting this pretty right now?:cool

[ousooner]

so do i. how would you feel about helping KU win the Big XII outright? :D
I hate it! I was telling a buddy of mine last week who's a KU fan that I was rooting for texas against KU just so KU wouldn't win the league, and I obviously prefer KU to texas. What does it say for the rest of the teams in the league that one team can't step up and win the conference when KU is rebuilding with a bunch of freshmen. I don't care who wins it, just somebody please step up. Obviously now I have to root for OU tomorrow, which with a win would give the title to KU. The rest of the league should be ashamed and embarrassed. KU is daddy and the rest of us are just a bunch of little bitches.

[ousooner]

Who would've thought that UNC and Kansas would be setting this pretty right now?:cool
Both will be great, but you have to give NC the edge right now. I don't think there is any way KU could have pulled off that win last night. Especially after getting obliterated at texas last weekend.

[seekupig]

Who would've thought that UNC and Kansas would be setting this pretty right now?:cool

nobody. and if someone tells you otherwise, they're full of shit. gotta love rebuilding years......:lol

[seekupig]

Both will be great, but you have to give NC the edge right now. I don't think there is any way KU could have pulled off that win last night. Especially after getting obliterated at texas last weekend.

:thumbsup

i'd agree with that.

one difference though is that Texas vs. Kansas isn't really a rivalry. that game meant a lot more to Texas than it did to Kansas. i'd compare it to when Maryland was really good a few years back and it meant the world to them to beat Duke. it was just another game to Duke though....

all that being said though, UNC vs. KU would be a great matchup. two teams full of young players, you just don't know what's going to happen...

[clayj41]

nobody. and if someone tells you otherwise, they're full of shit. gotta love rebuilding years......:lol

:thumbsup I was worried that this year was gonna be a repeat of the '02 season. Man was I wrong!

[ousooner]

:thumbsup

i'd agree with that.

one difference though is that Texas vs. Kansas isn't really a rivalry. that game meant a lot more to Texas than it did to Kansas. i'd compare it to when Maryland was really good a few years back and it meant the world to them to beat Duke. it was just another game to Duke though....

all that being said though, UNC vs. KU would be a great matchup. two teams full of young players, you just don't know what's going to happen...
:thumbsup Good point

[unccrombie]

anyone watchin the game on espn classic? ;) gonna be a dousy

[clayj41]

anyone watchin the game on espn classic? ;) gonna be a dousy

UNC will win!:lol

[unccrombie]

UNC will win!:lol
ill go out on a limb and say by 2...hell...ill bet you double ot for $5

[gbs3769]

Anyone else hate ESPN's love affair with Duke and the whole Cameron Crazie Cam?

- Primo

[unccrombie]

Anyone else hate ESPN's love affair with Duke and the whole Cameron Crazie Cam?

- Primo
i can imagine it wasn't that good. ATR was pretty bad, but I did like it for fast breaks

[seekupig]

Anyone else hate ESPN's love affair with Duke and the whole Cameron Crazie Cam?

- Primo

i hate it.

is it me, or does Duke have some of the ugliest chicks in their student section? the last thing i want to see when eating wings and drinking beer is some 200 lb. wombat covered in blue body paint with a sports bra on.

[unccrombie]

i hate it.

is it me, or does Duke have some of the ugliest chicks in their student section? the last thing i want to see when eating wings and drinking beer is some 200 lb. wombat covered in blue body paint with a sports bra on.
and jj on her chest. what do you expected from a 1400 sat school? :lol god i wish i went to a "real" school

[gbs3769]

Sorry, but that one play that made it into the top 10 where they are sliding across the floor and he passes it to his player that dunks (for Duke) should have been travelling. I hate how they don't call travelling anymore.

- Primo

[unccrombie]

this game on espn classic is intense. ive never actually seen the whole thing. quite amazing

[ousooner]

Sorry, but that one play that made it into the top 10 where they are sliding across the floor and he passes it to his player that dunks (for Duke) should have been travelling. I hate how they don't call travelling anymore.

- Primo
I was thinking the same thing when that happened.

[clayj41]

ill go out on a limb and say by 2...hell...ill bet you double ot for $5

That sounds pretty unrealistic!;)

[unccrombie]

im still wondering how stackhouse got that foul. oh right. its duke

[HolyCow]

You know why I like this thread? Because douche bag sports know-it-alls like Alan don't roam around.

This is the place for the people that actually follow college basketball.

BOOMER!

[clayj41]

im still wondering how stackhouse got that foul. oh right. its duke

Even then the refs were their 6th men.:p

[clayj41]

You know why I like this thread? Because douche bag sports know-it-alls like Alan don't roam around.

This is the place for the people that actually follow college basketball.

BOOMER!

:thumbsup We're smarter than the average bears!

[Bob Dylan]

For all the Dook haters out there and defiantely for the Heel fans.

A bunch of us at work gave this girl a gift certificate to a local tattoo parlor for her 40th birthday. Now she’s a big dook fan and decides that she wants to get tats of her favorite dook players. She goes down to the tattoo parlor and asks the artist if he could do tattoos of jj and chrissy. The tattoo artist asks where she wants the tattoos and she tells him “I want jj on my right thigh and christian on my left thigh. She was very excited about the whole thing and she couldn’t wait to see the finish product. Anyway, about a week ago, she comes up to us while we’re eating lunch and asks “Do you want to see my tattoos?”. We didn’t exactly know what she got, so we take her up on her offer. She lifts her skirt up and boom goes the dynamite! She’s not wearing any panties. After we didn’t say anything for a few seconds, she asks “What do you think of them?” We both stood there dumbfounded. She then asks if we knew that the tattoos were of jj redick and christian laettner. We both started laughing our @$$es off because the tattoos were terrible. She gets really angry and calls another co-worker to take a look. She points to her right thigh and asks the dude “Does this look like jj redick?” The guy says “ Not really.” She then points to the left thigh and asks “Does this look like christian laettner?” The dude says “No, but the ugly, smelly mothaf’er in the middle with the goatee sure looks like sheldon williams.”

[clayj41]

:lol :lol :lol I love you Bob!

[seekupig]

For all the Dook haters out there and defiantely for the Heel fans.

A bunch of us at work gave this girl a gift certificate to a local tattoo parlor for her 40th birthday. Now she’s a big dook fan and decides that she wants to get tats of her favorite dook players. She goes down to the tattoo parlor and asks the artist if he could do tattoos of jj and chrissy. The tattoo artist asks where she wants the tattoos and she tells him “I want jj on my right thigh and christian on my left thigh. She was very excited about the whole thing and she couldn’t wait to see the finish product. Anyway, about a week ago, she comes up to us while we’re eating lunch and asks “Do you want to see my tattoos?”. We didn’t exactly know what she got, so we take her up on her offer. She lifts her skirt up and boom goes the dynamite! She’s not wearing any panties. After we didn’t say anything for a few seconds, she asks “What do you think of them?” We both stood there dumbfounded. She then asks if we knew that the tattoos were of jj redick and christian laettner. We both started laughing our @$$es off because the tattoos were terrible. She gets really angry and calls another co-worker to take a look. She points to her right thigh and asks the dude “Does this look like jj redick?” The guy says “ Not really.” She then points to the left thigh and asks “Does this look like christian laettner?” The dude says “No, but the ugly, smelly mothaf’er in the middle with the goatee sure looks like sheldon williams.”

:lol :lol

[unccrombie]

:lol too funny

[UNLTrpt]

why didn't coach K coach in the 95 Duke/UNC game?

[seekupig]

why didn't coach K coach in the 95 Duke/UNC game?

kind of long, but worth the read.....

Leadership during crisis: the 1994-95 season

A man's true colors show during times of crisis. For K, it was the 1994-95 season. That was the year that Duke suffered through a 13-18 season. Knowing when to fold them, K sat out the majority of the season, citing an ailing back and extreme 'exhaustion.' (This mind you, from a man who writes the following in his book on leadership: 'During critical periods, a leader is not allowed to feel sorry for himself, to be down, to be angry, or to be weak. Leaders must beat back these emotions.') He delegated head coaching duties to assistant coach Pete Gaudet. Any standup guy would have accepted responsibility for the season that unfolded with his players, at his school, following his game plans. Classy Coach K, however, petitioned the NCAA to have the season's win-loss record stricken from his career totals. It was another curious move for a guy who espouses the following philosophy: 'A leader has to be positive about all things that happen to his team. Look at nothing in the past as failure.'

Other seldom publicized details about this incident bring Krzyzewski's true nature into sharper focus. Coach Gaudet went back many years with Krzyzewski, all the way to K's previous coaching days at Army. According to Sports Illustrated, Gaudet was the 'restricted earnings' coach at Duke when he was asked to assume the reigns during K's extended vacation. Consequently, he was paid a little over $300.00 a week, which probably correlated to a minimum wage hourly rate. So, in the end, K continued to draw his six figure salary and seven figure endorsements, while sitting at home on his rear. (Funny how he did not feel the need to give Gaudet the head coach's salary; just the accountability for the win-loss record.) He then returned to dump all over his long-time friend and assistant, before taking formal steps to ensure that the NCAA pinned all losses on his newly converted scapegoat. And exactly how does this jive with the following quoted philosophy, again taken from the great coach's own website: 'You have to work hard at staying in contact with your friends so that the relationships will continue and live on? Friendships, along with love, make life worth living.'

Truly, can anyone imagine Dean Smith having done this to his long-time assistant coach Bill Guthridge? Can anyone fathom Roy Williams taking this approach? Or Tubby Smith, Tom Izzo, Jim Calhoun, John Thompson, Bob Knight, Jim Boeheim -- or any other college coach?

Sound bad enough? There's more. Just review the timeline from that revealing season. First, realize that K did not pack it in until after the twelfth game. Apparently the pain and exhaustion were bearable as the team started out with a 9 - 2 record and a top ten national ranking. The early record was accomplished in usual Krzyzewski fashion, by trouncing various cupcakes, (e.g., mighty Brown University by 42, North Carolina A & T by 43, South Carolina State by 46, Northeastern by 23, George Washington by 30, and BU by 17). It was only when he tested the waters of the forthcoming conference schedule, with a home loss to Clemson, that our hero could no longer continue. Strange how the specter of a difficult conference schedule exacerbated that exhaustion and back pain.

But the best part to this story is how Mike passed his time during those medically essential days of rest and recuperation. As he closed his mind - and his record book - to his team's nightmarish season, Coach K somehow mustered enough strength to entertain high school recruits - in his home no less - for future seasons. For example, he had Vince Carter over for a January visit, nine days after he advised his players of his need to sign off for health reasons. The punch line later came from Carter himself. Shortly after that visit, Carter was quoted in an SI article on Duke, (published well before Carter chose UNC over Duke by the way). 'He was up and about,' said Carter, 'He didn't seem like a guy who has had all these back problems.'

And if you think this was an isolated incident, think again. The man is a champion buck passer. When this writer attended the school during the 1989-92 time period, Duke squeaked by in a couple of regular season games, after which there was some question about the team's leadership and direction. Always looking for a fall guy, Coach K, in a post-game press conference, actually turned on his own student body, who, he barked, had grown complacent in its support. 'I think we need to understand what the hell is going on here at Duke University,' was one of the quotes. This he said of the same students who camp out for weeks for the chance to support this team with their boorish displays. It has become a recurring Krzyzewski excuse, one that he resorted to even last year as his students remained as boisterous and obnoxious as ever in their game time antics. No doubt, there is plenty for which to criticize these students, but support of the team is not one. K's tendency to turn on his fellow vermin is a testament to his amazingly self-centered, one-dimensional mindset. And let us not forget the man's tendency to fault game officials for unfair calls - the same officials who regularly enable his team to make more free throws in a season than their opponents are allowed to attempt.

[gbs3769]

I was thinking the same thing when that happened.
And Dookie V just sits there and screams, "Are you serious? How about that play!"

How about the travel they didn't call?

- Primo

[clayj41]

I've read that before. Good reading!:D

[Bob Dylan]

why didn't coach K coach in the 95 Duke/UNC game?


He knew they would suck so decided to quit on them and have back surgery. None of those PUKE wins and loses from that season that he didnt coach count againt his W/L record/ So it make him look better.

[UNLTrpt]

kind of long, but worth the read.....

Leadership during crisis: the 1994-95 season


wow. I had no idea. where did you get that?

[ousooner]

That's a really biased article. Hard to believe that Coach K just decided to take a season off. I'd like to hear about it from a less biased source.

[UNLTrpt]

That's a really biased article. Hard to believe that Coach K just decided to take a season off. I'd like to hear about it from a less biased source.

well yeah. I kinda gathered that.

[seekupig]

That's a really biased article. Hard to believe that Coach K just decided to take a season off. I'd like to hear about it from a less biased source.

does this look like a biased source to you? :D

http://www.truthaboutduke.com/

[clayj41]

The truth is never biased!:p

[ousooner]

does this look like a biased source to you? :D

http://www.truthaboutduke.com/
I figured it was a Carolina fan or something like that.

[seekupig]

I performed an extremely scientific and complex calculation of the possible results of the UNC v. Duke game. Taking into account 42 key indexes (pts per game, wins at home, wins on the road, etc) I have come up with the following results for the two teams' chances of winning Saturday as well as the probable final score within one to two standard deviations. The results are as follows:


Duke's chance of winning: 99.99999%
Duke's probable ending score: 87

UNC's chance of winning: 0.00000%
UNC's probable ending score: 57


Thers is a 0.00001 a terrorist regime will blow up the building and the game may not be played. Official findings of this study indicate that anyone who is rooting for Duke is a true-blue, red-blooded American. Anyone rooting for North Carolina is in reality cheering for terrorism and is a pinko, commi that should be erased from the planet.

:lol :lol :lol

just remembered about this. thought it was worth bringing back up.....

[UNLTrpt]

does this look like a biased source to you? :D

http://www.truthaboutduke.com/

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

no.

[clayj41]

:lol :lol :lol

just remembered about this. thought it was worth bringing back up.....

He'll never post in this thread again.:lol

[seekupig]

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

no.

the reasons he didn't coach that season are in that article. you just have to pick through the biased part of it and piece together how much of it you want to believe. none of the stuff in there is made up, it's just presented in an anti Duke manner.

[UNLTrpt]

the reasons he didn't coach that season are in that article. you just have to pick through the biased part of it and piece together how much of it you want to believe. none of the stuff in there is made up, it's just presented in an anti Duke manner.

I know. I was being sarcastic.

[seekupig]

I know. I was being sarcastic.

:lol

sorry, it's late here. i'm off to bed. i've got a busy day of beer drinking and Sooner cheering :eek ahead of me. damn, i feel dirty.

[clayj41]

:lol

sorry, it's late here. i'm off to bed. i've got a busy day of beer drinking and Sooner cheering :eek ahead of me. damn, i feel dirty.

Go Texas!!!:D :shrug :ugh

[seekupig]

Go Texas!!!:D :shrug :ugh

:twenty4

[clayj41]

:twenty4

You see, that post showed the different emotions I went through when I made that statement. First it was :D then :shrug then :ugh , as in what the hell did I just say. Anyway, I can't cheer against Kansas. They won me some money a few years ago when I bet against them and took Syracuse.

[gbs3769]

I'm pumped for 35,000 fans screaming for G-Mac.

- Primo

[ousooner]

:lol

sorry, it's late here. i'm off to bed. i've got a busy day of beer drinking and Sooner cheering :eek ahead of me. damn, i feel dirty.
Knowing KU fans are cheering for us today blows.

Go Texas!!!:D :shrug :ugh
:mad

[seekupig]

Knowing KU fans are cheering for us today blows.




trust me, i don't like it any more than you do. :D

GO SOONERS!!!

[rconverse]

Originally Posted by rconverse
I performed an extremely scientific and complex calculation of the possible results of the UNC v. Duke game. Taking into account 42 key indexes (pts per game, wins at home, wins on the road, etc) I have come up with the following results for the two teams' chances of winning Saturday as well as the probable final score within one to two standard deviations. The results are as follows:


Duke's chance of winning: 99.99999%
Duke's probable ending score: 87

UNC's chance of winning: 0.00000%
UNC's probable ending score: 57


Thers is a 0.00001 a terrorist regime will blow up the building and the game may not be played. Official findings of this study indicate that anyone who is rooting for Duke is a true-blue, red-blooded American. Anyone rooting for North Carolina is in reality cheering for terrorism and is a pinko, commi that should be erased from the planet.

He'll never post in this thread again.:lol


Of course I will post in here again! I must have transposed some numbers when I completed my calculations, slightly skewing my results. ;)

Another classic Duke v. UNC game though. What's with neither team being able to win on their home court? I guess they'll have to settle this inthe ACC tourney!!

[rconverse]

I was literally yelling my guts out when Hansbrough hit that 3. I was doing the same thing though when Terry took that stupid shot with about a minute to play.:lol


That shot made me sick.

[clayj41]

Of course I will post in here again! I must have transposed some numbers when I completed my calculations, slightly skewing my results. ;)

:lol :lol :lol

[UNC41]

Man, I never thought I would say it, but the Duke-UNC rivalry is a little overhyped. It is a great rivalry, but it isn't THAT great.

You might want to rethink this. The two games this year were amazing. Two games last year were decided by 3 points. Duhon made a pact with Lucifer in 2004. It is highly hyped, but it is THE best rivalry in college sports, if not all of them.

[clayj41]

You might want to rethink this. The two games this year were amazing. Two games last year were decided by 3 points. Duhon made a pact with Lucifer in 2004. It is highly hyped, but it is THE best rivalry in college sports, if not all of them.

:thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup

[UNC41]

That game last night was amazing. My Duke buddies started talking shit early, but I got the last laugh, so like any Duke fan they started the ref blame game. From there I celebrated by bonging a couple gin and tonics and blacking out.

[clayj41]

That game last night was amazing. My Duke buddies started talking shit early, but I got the last laugh, so like any Duke fan they started the ref blame game. From there I celebrated by bonging a couple gin and tonics and blacking out.

I was very worried early, but that second half was amazing. I actually watched the game by myself in my room while my roomates watched it in the living room so I could just explode when things went right or wrong. They're IU fans, they just don't get it!

[nhl123_2000]

Last night was awesome. Started out a little scary but by the end of the night Franklin Street fire and parties were awesome.
GO HEELS!

[ousooner]

trust me, i don't like it any more than you do. :D

GO SOONERS!!!
You're sick

[unccrombie]

so, is su in or out? i'm still saying out. i think they'll need to win the big east tourney to get in

[seekupig]

so, is su in or out? i'm still saying out. i think they'll need to win the big east tourney to get in

i don't think so. i don't think they have to win the Big East tourney to get in, but they will need to pull an upset over one of the top teams. if they were to beat UConn or Nova and end up losing in the finals, i think that would be enough to get in. 7-9 in conference play and not getting to 20 wins when you've played 30 games is a lot to overcome though.

[unccrombie]

i don't think so. i don't think they have to win the Big East tourney to get in, but they will need to pull an upset over one of the top teams. if they were to beat UConn or Nova and end up losing in the finals, i think that would be enough to get in. 7-9 in conference play and not getting to 20 wins when you've played 30 games is a lot to overcome though.
if you beat uconn and or nova you should win the finals. if youre playing that well. they play cinci 1st round and uconn 2nd if they win

[seekupig]

if you beat uconn and or nova you should win the finals. if youre playing that well.

they're not consistent. they could easily beat one of those teams then shit the bed the next night. lack of consistency is why they're in the position they find themselves in now.

[clayj41]

if you beat uconn and or nova you should win the finals. if youre playing that well. they play cinci 1st round and uconn 2nd if they win

They won't make it past the 1st round.

[HolyCow]

Does Digger Phelps know that only 65 teams make it to the tourney? Everytime they do in or out and show the teams resume he says "in."

Rece: "So Digger, Penn St....in or out?"
Digger: "They have a great win at Illinois and have played 6 teams in the RPI top 50....In all the way...."

Digger is a moron.

[UNC41]

I was very worried early, but that second half was amazing. I actually watched the game by myself in my room while my roomates watched it in the living room so I could just explode when things went right or wrong. They're IU fans, they just don't get it!

I watched it with a bunch of buddies, including 3 UNC fans and 4 Duke fans, in front of three TVs. Myself and the biggest Duke fan sat as far apart as possible. We had the three different ESPN broadcasts going. That kind of sucked, though, because the above the rim cam was ahead of the regular one so I ended up watching most of the game on that despite not being a huge fan of it.

[baloneybandit21]

i liked waiting for a fast break or something then switching it to the deuce for the above the rim view but i watched mostly on the normal view

[UNLTrpt]

unbelieveable. we just find new ways to lose. Up 9 with 3:30 to go and we lose by one to Mizzou.

7-9 conf. record and 6th place. what a horrible way to end the regular season. We get Mizzou next in the conf. tourney. Hey maybe we could actually win one down there.

[ousooner]

Well, Sampson's pissed. Pulled all the starters but one. Can't blame him, this bs is getting old.

[ousooner]

If there's only 16 other teams better then we are, college basketball is in bad shape.

[HolyCow]

Take that Kansas!

[clayj41]

Take that Kansas!

That's one way of looking at it.:lol

[ousooner]

Take that Kansas!
:thumbsup :lol

[DMBfan41]

Make sure to watch ESPN2 at 7:30 Wednesday Night!

Live From the Rothman Center in Teaneck, NJ

NEC Championship!

Monmouth vs FDU!

GO KNIGHTS!

[clayj41]

Make sure to watch ESPN2 at 7:30 Wednesday Night!

Live From the Rothman Center in Teaneck, NJ

NEC Championship!

Monmouth vs FDU!

GO KNIGHTS!

Eh......I think I'll just stick to the Oscars.:p

[DMBfan41]

Eh......I think I'll just stick to the Oscars.:p

Oscars aren't repeated on wednesday, watch FDU

[seekupig]

Take that Kansas!

you guys gave it to us good today. good game. :thumbsup

[chiznaz]

Why in the world does the #5 team in the country go into over time with USD, not to mention play a lot of these lower teams in their confrence so close



Also... explain to me why the Missouri Valley Confrence (according to ESPN) should get 5 bids to the tourny. I'm not to familiar with the teams OOC schedule, but looking at the teams in that confrence makes me wonder.

[seekupig]

Why in the world does the #5 team in the country go into over time with USD, not to mention play a lot of these lower teams in their confrence so close


being the only ranked team in that conference, every team they plays gets up for them. they get every teams best shot and it's just not realistic for them to play their best every night. the fact that they always find a way to win is pretty impressive to me...

[HolyCow]

Gonzaga is overrated....that is why.

[gbs3769]

so, is su in or out? i'm still saying out. i think they'll need to win the big east tourney to get in
Currently out. We need two wins in the BET to get in. Doubftful that we will get in. NIT bound.

However the last time we went to the NIT and had a top 5 recruit coming in we won the championship the following year.

- Primo

[ousooner]

you guys gave it to us good today. good game. :thumbsup
I can't wait to get you guys in Big D Saturday. Of course it will follow Friday nights 1 point win over Nebraska or Missouri.

[seekupig]

I can't wait to get you guys in Big D Saturday.

let's go. :cool :D ;)

[chiznaz]

being the only ranked team in that conference, every team they plays gets up for them. they get every teams best shot and it's just not realistic for them to play their best every night. the fact that they always find a way to win is pretty impressive to me...
Yeah but USDs best shot should not force the #5 team in the nation into overtime. Gonzaga seems to be slipping a little bit to me. I think the make it past the first round or two in the tourny, but I think they'll come up short when the go against a much better opponent from top confrence.

They may prove me wrong though. St. Joe's ran the tables a couple years ago after playing a suspect schedule compared to other schools, and they made it to the Elite Eight I believe.

[SteelerMan]

Also... explain to me why the Missouri Valley Confrence (according to ESPN) should get 5 bids to the tourny. I'm not to familiar with the teams OOC schedule, but looking at the teams in that confrence makes me wonder.

I don't understand this either. Last week I took a look at their out of conference schedules, and the only team that had any significant wins that I remember is Northern Iowa (over LSU and Iowa). The top five teams have nice records against the RPI Top 50, but they're really just a product of beating each other. I watched the MVC Tournament Championship game between SIU and Bradley and wasn't really impressed with either.

[SteelerMan]

Tyler's three towards the end of the Duke-UNC game is one of those shots I'll remember forever. I'll also never forget his expression after that game. For a freshman to go into arguably the most hostile environment in college basketball in the biggest, most hyped game of the season and turn in a performance like that is incredible. As great as Tyler played though, it really was a team effort (even Quentin Thomas hit a couple great shots).

I also noticed something... everytime I get down on Bobby Frasor, he turns around and does something great. Toward the end of that game, I was thinking to myself, "There's no way Bobby Frasor is starting next season if they have to take him out to put in Quentin freakin' Thomas in the biggest game of the year." Then he comes off the bench and hits those two clutch threes and later puts in two clutch free throws. Now I don't know what to think about him.

The Above the Rim camera was a cool novelty, but I couldn't watch an entire game like that. Half the time you can't even see where the ball is. Hopefully we'll get to see another Duke-UNC classic next Sunday.

[SteelerMan]

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/columns/story?columnist=katz_andy&id=2354917&lpos=spotlight&lid=tab3pos1

Good article about UNC by Andy Katz.

Here's a question... does anyone think UNC could possibly run the table in the NCAA tournament? I don't really see it happening, but then again, I wasn't sure if they'd even make the tournament this season, nor did I think they'd beat Duke at Cameron Saturday night either. I'm learning never to doubt Roy.

[gbs3769]

Things of note about yesterday;s game:

Pennsylvania Governor Ed Rendell was in attendance.
Official attendance was 33,633. That is an NCAA on-campus record.
Derrick Coleman's #44 was retired at halftime. Billy Owens was in attendance.
Derrick Coleman said his 9 year old son Derrick Jr. would play at Syracuse.
Gerry McNamara is now #1 All-Time in the Big East for Three Pointers made.
Our 7-9 mark in conference is only the second time in league history we have finished sub .500.

- Primo

[41ravens]

so Hassan Adams was arrested yesterday for a DUI. perfect time of year to fuck up. Lute will most likely suspend him for most, if not all of the Stanford game, therefore making it even tougher for Zona to win. awesome. way to go, Hassan.

[SteelerMan]

so Hassan Adams was arrested yesterday for a DUI. perfect time of year to fuck up. Lute will most likely suspend him for most, if not all of the Stanford game, therefore making it even tougher for Zona to win. awesome. way to go, Hassan.

You know... Arizona was actually my pick to win the Pac 10 tournament too.

[UNC41]

New Coaches Poll. UConn 30 first place votes. The other one goes to ... UNC. I wonder who the hell that was.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/rankings?poll=2

[clayj41]

New Coaches Poll. UConn 30 first place votes. The other one goes to ... UNC. I wonder who the hell that was.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/rankings?poll=2

One #1 vote, huh? Didn't expect that.

[unccrombie]

you beat #1 in their house you should be #1:lol

[gbs3769]

If you guys get a chance to go to Target, check out their $1 bins at the front of the store. In there they have dry erase boards that attach to your fridge that are set up for a 64 team bracket.

- Primo

[SteelerMan]

Ric Flair: "To be the man, you've got to beat the man."

UNC beat the man... so now, they are the man. You can't argue with Ric Flair. WHOOOOO!

[unccrombie]

Ric Flair: "To be the man, you've got to beat the man."

UNC beat the man... so now, they are the man. You can't argue with Ric Flair. WHOOOOO!
god damn pro wrestling

[seekupig]

New Coaches Poll. UConn 30 first place votes. The other one goes to ... UNC. I wonder who the hell that was.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/rankings?poll=2

The USA TODAY/ESPN Board of Coaches is made up of 31 Division I head coaches. All are members of the National Association of Basketball Coaches. The 2003-04 board: Dana Altman, Creighton; Tevester Anderson, Jackson State; Eddie Biedenbach, North Carolina-Asheville; Jim Boeheim, Syracuse; Barry Collier, Nebraska; Charlie Coles, Miami (OH); Dick Davey, Santa Clara; Fran Dunphy, Pennsylvania; Mick Durham, Montana State; Rob Evans, Arizona State; Steve Fisher, San Diego State; Pat Flannery, Bucknell; Greg Graham, Boise State; Tom Green, Fairleigh Dickinson; David Henderson, Delaware; Bob Huggins, Cincinnati; Gene Keady, Purdue; Johnny Jones, North Texas; Eddie McCarter, Texas-Arlington; Bob McKillop, Davidson; Phil Martelli, Saint Joseph's; Joe Mihalich, Niagara; Ronald "Fang" Mitchell, Coppin State; Dave Odom, South Carolina; Rick Samuels, Eastern Illinois; Kirk Speraw, Central Florida; Bob Thomason, Pacific; Perry Watson, Detroit Mercy; Gary Williams, Maryland; Dennis Wolff, Boston University; Rich Zvosec, Missouri-Kansas City.

that would be my guess.

[rconverse]

Ric Flair: "To be the man, you've got to beat the man."

UNC beat the man... so now, they are the man. You can't argue with Ric Flair. WHOOOOO!

Your mom.

[SteelerMan]

Just kidding... I don't really think UNC deserves a first place vote. I think 10th is about right at the moment, although I do think they're better than George Washington, Gonzaga, and possibly Memphis.

[Bob Dylan]

Psycho was also the freshman of the year.

The voting for the 2006 All-Atlantic Coast Conference teams, as done by 108 members of the Atlantic Coast Sports Media Association, with first-team votes in parentheses and total points:

First team
J.J. Redick, Duke (108), 324
Shelden Williams, Duke (108), 324
Tyler Hansbrough, North Carolina (108), 324
Craig Smith, Boston College (91), 304
Sean Singletary, Virginia (51), 262
---
Second team
Al Thornton, Florida State, 204
Guillermo Diaz, Miami, 207
Justin Gray, Wake Forest, 194
Jared Dudley, Boston College, 176
David Noel, North Carolina, 127
---
Third team
Eric Williams, Wake Forest, 120
Cameron Bennerman, N.C. State, 106
Robert Hite, Miami, 104
Nik Caner-Medley, Maryland, 84
J.R. Reynolds, Virginia, 54
Reyshawn Terry, North Carolina, 54
---
Honorable Mention (20 or more points)
Anthony Morrow, Georgia Tech, 41
Alexander Johnson, Florida State, 37
Cedric Simmons, N.C. State, 25
Zabian Dowdell, Virginia Tech, 23
Coleman Collins, Virginia Tech, 21

[UNLTrpt]

New Coaches Poll. UConn 30 first place votes. The other one goes to ... UNC. I wonder who the hell that was.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/rankings?poll=2

yeesh. a bit of a knee jerk reaction but it was a convincing win in a tough environment.

Get by BC in the semis and I'll start believing in the heels.

[UNC41]

yeesh. a bit of a knee jerk reaction but it was a convincing win in a tough environment.

Get by BC in the semis and I'll start believing in the heels.

Beating a No. 1 ranked Duke ... at Cameron ... coming off a loss ... on JJ Redick's senior night. That's pretty convincing they can play with anybody, except maybe UConn.

[HolyCow]

Beating a No. 1 ranked Duke ... at Cameron ... coming off a loss ... on JJ Redick's senior night. That's pretty convincing they can play with anybody, except maybe UConn.

Come on. They don't deserve a first place vote.

[unccrombie]

Come on. They don't deserve a first place vote.
perhaps not, but they looked like the real #1 saturday night

[UNC41]

Come on. They don't deserve a first place vote.

I never said, nor implied, that they did. He said they need to beat BC to believe in them. If you don't believe after Saturday I don't see how you would with a win over BC.

[seekupig]

Gonzaga is down by 13 points in the second half right now. if Joe Lunardi is right, one of these four teams will lose their at large bid if this game holds....

UAB
Missouri St.
Texas A&M
Florida St.

of those teams, i think Missouri St. would be the first one knocked out. i think the MVC is more likely to get 4 teams than 5 at this point.

[clayj41]

Gonzaga is down by 13 points in the second half right now. if Joe Lunardi is right, one of these four teams will lose their at large bid if this game holds....

UAB
Missouri St.
Texas A&M
Florida St.

of those teams, i think Missouri St. would be the first one knocked out. i think the MVC is more likely to get 4 teams than 5 at this point.

I can't believe the Zags are losing that bad.

[clayj41]

I can't believe the Zags are losing that bad.

.....and of course they came back. Still a close game though. Zags up 63-61 with 4 minutes left.

[UNLTrpt]

I never said, nor implied, that they did. He said they need to beat BC to believe in them. If you don't believe after Saturday I don't see how you would with a win over BC.

what I meant was that if they beat BC convincingly then I might see them as a #1 team.

[dmb1spe]

Marymount could really fuck some shit up with a win right now.

[clayj41]

Marymount could really fuck some shit up with a win right now.

:thumbsup Someone will lose a bid!

[Bswartz95]

Gonzaga = Lucky

[clayj41]

:thumbsup Someone will lose a bid!

...or not. Crazy ending!

[seekupig]

nice missed layup. what a way to lose.

[unccrombie]

just dunk it...why make it hard on yourself

[Third Floor]

it looked like he tried to dunk it, and the ball just flew outta his hands.

[seekupig]

it looked like he tried to dunk it, and the ball just flew outta his hands.

i thought he was trying to lay it up, felt the pressure from the defender and tried to get rid of it to quick to avoid the block. who knows, either way he choked a tourney bid away from his team...

[unccrombie]

it looked like he tried to dunk it, and the ball just flew outta his hands.
no, looked like an attempted swish. didnt look like he was trying to bank it. deffinatly a "hook layup"

[dmb1spe]

What. A. Douche.

I would definitely be killing myself if I were him.

[seekupig]

What. A. Douche.

I would definitely be killing myself if I were him.

i wouldn't kill myself, but i'd probably go outside for a while.

[unccrombie]

why was it gonzaga got to have the championship on their floor? or all the games for that matter

[seekupig]

why was it gonzaga got to have the championship on their floor? or all the games for that matter

a lot of the small conferences do that. they play the first round at the home court of the higher seeded teams, then play the rest of the tourney at the home of the #1 seed. i guess they don't have the resources or the interest to get a big central location.

[unccrombie]

that really sucks. i would have put $$ on loyola pullin that off on a neautral court

[chiznaz]

Gonzaga is down by 13 points in the second half right now. if Joe Lunardi is right, one of these four teams will lose their at large bid if this game holds....

UAB
Missouri St.
Texas A&M
Florida St.

of those teams, i think Missouri St. would be the first one knocked out. i think the MVC is more likely to get 4 teams than 5 at this point.

I would be so pissed right now if A&M got bumped by a lower school like LMU. They are the hottest team in the BigXII right now, and still they are standing on some thin ice with the selection committee. They just need to win their first game in the BigXII tourny and they are a lock.

[gbs3769]

i wouldn't kill myself, but i'd probably go outside for a while.
:lol

- Primo

[SteelerMan]

what I meant was that if they beat BC convincingly then I might see them as a #1 team.

But they beat a team that was better than BC convincingly... what's special about BC? I know they lost to them earlier this season, but that was the same week they lost to Virginia by 4... when they got their rematch earlier this week, they beat Virginia by 45!!! UNC is definitely much, much better now than they were when they lost to BC.

[DMBfan41]

a lot of the small conferences do that. they play the first round at the home court of the higher seeded teams, then play the rest of the tourney at the home of the #1 seed. i guess they don't have the resources or the interest to get a big central location.

this is true, that's how it is in the NEC and why when you watch ESPN2 tomorrow night at 7:30, FDU will have the homecourt.

The closest place to here would be the Meadowlands. And I just don't think any NEC matchup would make 20,000 people show up.

[clayj41]

I really like UNC's draw in the new bracketology. I wish it was the real thing.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/bracketology

[SteelerMan]

I really like UNC's draw in the new bracketology. I wish it was the real thing.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/bracketology

Marquette or Northern Iowa in the 2nd round could be dangerous... I can see them making the Elite 8 with that draw though.

[gbs3769]

Marquette is a giant-slayer... AT HOME. I wouldn't be concerned with them as much in the tournament.

- Primo

[unccrombie]

anyone else not sold on ucla as a 3?

[41ravens]

well, it's official:

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=2356949

what an ass. can't say i didn't see the suspension coming. i think we can still beat stanford, but after that is anyone's guess.

and yes, i'm not sold on UCLA as a 3. mainly because i hate them, but also because i don't think they're one of the 12 best teams in the country right now.

[gbs3769]

Me.

- Primo

[clayj41]

Marquette or Northern Iowa in the 2nd round could be dangerous... I can see them making the Elite 8 with that draw though.

:thumbsup I think of the #6 seeds on there, Marquette worries me the most.

[clayj41]

anyone else not sold on ucla as a 3?

I agree, especially considering how week the Pac 10 is.

[gbs3769]

:thumbsup I think of the #6 seeds on there, Marquette worries me the most.
You should be more concerned with Georgetown.

- Primo

[gbs3769]

When I was at the Georgetown/Syracuse game the students were all wearing these awesome t-shirts.

They all had III on the back and above and through it, the shirt read, "Respect is back, fear is next".

So true.

- Primo

[clayj41]

You should be more concerned with Georgetown.

- Primo

I know Georgetown is tough (ala beating Duke), but don't overlook Marquette. They're a good team.

[gbs3769]

I know Georgetown is tough (ala beating Duke), but don't overlook Marquette. They're a good team.
They are a good team who plays well at home.

- Primo

[clayj41]

They are a good team who plays well at home.

- Primo

Granted, but Novak scares me!:lol

[SteelerMan]

You should be more concerned with Georgetown.

I'm not sold on Georgetown. I think they can be very good, but they're inconsistent.

[UNC41]

I really like UNC's draw in the new bracketology. I wish it was the real thing.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/bracketology

I loathe any bracket that has UNC in the same region as UConn, and it seems like they all do these days.

[clayj41]

I loathe any bracket that has UNC in the same region as UConn, and it seems like they all do these days.

Definitely the only team I really want to avoid at all costs.

[rconverse]

I loathe any bracket that has UNC in the same region as UConn, and it seems like they all do these days.

If those two teams meet, I hope the arena explodes.

But seriously, if UNC can beat Duke at Cameron, they are capable of beating UCONN.

[rconverse]

Definitely the only team I really want to avoid at all costs.


What happened to all that confidence from yesterday? What about all that Ric Flair "To be the man, you have to be the man" crap???

[clayj41]

What happened to all that confidence from yesterday? What about all that Ric Flair "To be the man, you have to be the man" crap???

That wasn't me, but I do remember someone saying that! I'm not gonna be unrealistic and say UNC is the best team in the country right now just because they're defending National Champs and they beat Duke at Cameron. They're damn good though, and could definitely make a late run in the tourney if they play like they have been.

[41ravens]

I think UNC could play with UCONN. If UNC plays like they did against Duke, they're as good as any team in the nation.

[rconverse]

I think UNC could play with UCONN. If UNC plays like they did against Duke, they're as good as any team in the nation.

Definitely. The tournament is all about runs. Any team that gets hot can win it. Conversely, a good team can go cold one night and be done early.

[41ravens]

Definitely. The tournament is all about runs. Any team that gets hot can win it. Conversely, a good team can go cold one night and be done early.

That's why I love me some March Madness!

[UNC41]

Definitely. The tournament is all about runs. Any team that gets hot can win it. Conversely, a good team can go cold one night and be done early.

I agree, but if there is one team I want to avoid in the tourney it is the one with the best frontcourt, point guard and sixth man in the nation.

[SteelerMan]

What happened to all that confidence from yesterday? What about all that Ric Flair "To be the man, you have to be the man" crap???

That was a joke. I do think UNC is capable of beating UConn though. I'm not worried about avoiding them... I'd actually love to see that game.

[clayj41]

That was a joke. I do think UNC is capable of beating UConn though. I'm not worried about avoiding them... I'd actually love to see that game.

It'd be a good game. If its gonna happen though, lets hope UNC and UConn are on opposite sides of the bracket!:D

[twosteppn36]

When I was at the Georgetown/Syracuse game the students were all wearing these awesome t-shirts.

They all had III on the back and above and through it, the shirt read, "Respect is back, fear is next".

So true.

- Primo

my brother was sitting in the middle of the student section with a bright orange shirt on :lol

[gbs3769]

my brother was sitting in the middle of the student section with a bright orange shirt on :lol
:lol I saw him.

- Primo

[seekupig]

I would be so pissed right now if A&M got bumped by a lower school like LMU. They are the hottest team in the BigXII right now, and still they are standing on some thin ice with the selection committee. They just need to win their first game in the BigXII tourny and they are a lock.

that's debatable.

[rconverse]

God is mocking me. I set up retirement plans for various for profit and not for profit companies. Whenever we get a new client or plan, I receive an e-mail basically stating we have a new plan coming and to begin the setup.

Got this beauty today:

Please set up the following client code:



UNC – University of North Carolina Optional Retirement Plan



7/1/06 start


WTF? This is a nightmare. I sure do hope no one's money gets lost. :violent

[twosteppn36]

:lol I saw him.

- Primo

:lol thats awesome...he said the georgetown students around him were a bunch of nerds

[DMBfan41]

7:30 ESPN2

Northeast Conference Championship

Monmouth vs Fairleigh Dickinson

TUNE IN TONIGHT!

[joepsu0985]

I think UNC could play with UCONN. If UNC plays like they did against Duke, they're as good as any team in the nation.

They really impressed me saturday night. Their freshman are playing as if they are juniors.

Does anyone think that if UNC wins the ACC tourney that they will get a #1 seed?

Should be interesting to see this thing play out.

The Big East tournament should be great also:thumbsup

Watch out for the Irish, they can play with anyone in that conference.

[SteelerMan]

They really impressed me saturday night. Their freshman are playing as if they are juniors.

Does anyone think that if UNC wins the ACC tourney that they will get a #1 seed?

I think they'd deserve it. If they win the ACC tournament, they'll deserve it more than Duke, Memphis, and Gonzaga in my opinion. The only problem I can see is if a team like Ohio State or Texas dominates their conference tournaments... they may be ahead of UNC in line for a #1 seed at this point. I think two of those three teams (Ohio State, Texas, UNC) deserve #1 seeds over Memphis and Gonzaga if they win their conference tournaments.

[rconverse]

I think they'd deserve it. If they win the ACC tournament, they'll deserve it more than Duke, Memphis, and Gonzaga in my opinion. The only problem I can see is if a team like Ohio State or Texas dominates their conference tournaments... they may be ahead of UNC in line for a #1 seed at this point. I think two of those three teams (Ohio State, Texas, UNC) deserve #1 seeds over Memphis and Gonzaga if they win their conference tournaments.


I disagree. If Duke makes it to the championship game of the ACC tourney, win or lose, they should be the #1 seed. They will still have two less losses than UNC, a better conference record, and a tougher non-conference schedule, where they lost one game. UNC does play inconsistently though. I can see them losing to a BC and not making it to the ACC championship game. I do not see Duke losing to anyone prior to that, but I have been wrong before. Gonzaga is way overrated. and could go in as a 3 seed and I wouldn't have any issues with that. Assuming Duke gets a one seed, who now are your twos? Can anyone really make the arguement that right now, Gonzaga is better than OSU, Texas, UNC or GW (how do you leave GW out with only one loss)?

If Duke and UNC were to match up again, I wouldn't expect JJ to go 1 for 16 in his last 16 shots, I would expect at least 8 - 10 from McRoberts, and I wouldn't expect Hansorogh (sp) to be raining in 24 foot bombs at the end of the game on his way to 27 points. I would hope, but not expect, that one other player on Duke could step up and score about 15-17 points and try to help out Redick and Williams. Melkioni (sp), Doclkery, Nelson or Paulus have to hit open shots when available.

[SteelerMan]

I disagree. If Duke makes it to the championship game of the ACC tourney, win or lose, they should be the #1 seed. They will still have two less losses than UNC, a better conference record, and a tougher non-conference schedule, where they lost one game. UNC does play inconsistently though. I can see them losing to a BC and not making it to the ACC championship game. I do not see Duke losing to anyone prior to that, but I have been wrong before. Gonzaga is way overrated. and could go in as a 3 seed and I wouldn't have any issues with that. Assuming Duke gets a one seed, who now are your twos? Can anyone really make the arguement that right now, Gonzaga is better than OSU, Texas, UNC or GW (how do you leave GW out with only one loss)?

If Duke and UNC were to match up again, I wouldn't expect JJ to go 1 for 16 in his last 16 shots, I would expect at least 8 - 10 from McRoberts, and I wouldn't expect Hansorogh (sp) to be raining in 24 foot bombs at the end of the game on his way to 27 points. I would hope, but not expect, that one other player on Duke could step up and score about 15-17 points and try to help out Redick and Williams. Melkioni (sp), Doclkery, Nelson or Paulus have to hit open shots when available.

If UNC were to beat Duke in the ACC finals, I could actually see Duke and UNC both getting #1 seeds (although I think Ohio State and Texas would have to lose in their tournaments for that to happen).

The UNC win over Duke wasn't just Duke having an off night and UNC playing out of their minds... they pretty much dominated them the entire night, and they seriously looked like the better team. It wasn't a case of one team getting hot and upsetting another, they actually looked like they were better than Duke. I wouldn't expect everything to go exactly as it did in the first game either, but I don't think you can blame that loss on Duke not showing up.

[rconverse]

If UNC were to beat Duke in the ACC finals, I could actually see Duke and UNC both getting #1 seeds (although I think Ohio State and Texas would have to lose in their tournaments for that to happen).

The UNC win over Duke wasn't just Duke having an off night and UNC playing out of their minds... they pretty much dominated them the entire night, and they seriously looked like the better team. It wasn't a case of one team getting hot and upsetting another, they actually looked like they were better than Duke. I wouldn't expect everything to go exactly as it did in the first game either, but I don't think you can blame that loss on Duke not showing up.

I can. You really think I am going to give UNC any credit???

Serioiusly though, I agree with everything you said, but more for the second half than anything. If I remember correctly (and may be wrong, cause I was doing some heavy drinking) Duke was up at half and was pretty much up the whole first half, albeit by a few points only. Second half a totally different story though. And Hanborough did play out of his mind. That would be an incredible game for anyone let alone a freshman at (arguably) one of the hardest venues to win at. If they play again, I don't see a repeat performance out of him like that. Maybe a sold game with like 18-12, but not 27-15, which is what I think he ended up at.

As far as the seeds go, it is going to be a great weekend for CBB! :multi

[41ravens]

Let the games begin. Full slate of games today, with the Big East tourney starting in 2 hours. I like Cinci, but I'm pulling for Cuse for Primo's sake.

[joepsu0985]

I think they'd deserve it. If they win the ACC tournament, they'll deserve it more than Duke, Memphis, and Gonzaga in my opinion. The only problem I can see is if a team like Ohio State or Texas dominates their conference tournaments... they may be ahead of UNC in line for a #1 seed at this point. I think two of those three teams (Ohio State, Texas, UNC) deserve #1 seeds over Memphis and Gonzaga if they win their conference tournaments.

Agreed. I still dont think there will be 2 number 1 seeds from the big east. The only way I can see it is if UCONN looses early and Nova wins the big east.

Maybe these teams.

UCONN
Duke/UNC
Gonzaga
Texas/OSU.

hey its just a guess.

[rconverse]

Agreed. I still dont think there will be 2 number 1 seeds from the big east. The only way I can see it is if UCONN looses early and Nova wins the big east.

Maybe these teams.

UCONN
Duke/UNC
Gonzaga
Texas/OSU.

hey its just a guess.

I can see everything except Gonzaga. Way overrated.

I still think the BE gets two though.

[joepsu0985]

If UNC were to beat Duke in the ACC finals, I could actually see Duke and UNC both getting #1 seeds (although I think Ohio State and Texas would have to lose in their tournaments for that to happen).

The UNC win over Duke wasn't just Duke having an off night and UNC playing out of their minds... they pretty much dominated them the entire night, and they seriously looked like the better team. It wasn't a case of one team getting hot and upsetting another, they actually looked like they were better than Duke. I wouldn't expect everything to go exactly as it did in the first game either, but I don't think you can blame that loss on Duke not showing up.

I honestly see OSU getting a #2 seed. I know they are in the conference with the highest RPI, but it will depend on whether or not UCONN and Nova are both 1 seeds or not.

[joepsu0985]

I can see everything except Gonzaga. Way overrated.

I still think the BE gets two though.


I dunno. If it Nova and Uconn are in the BE champ. game then I can see it, but if one of them loose early I can see OSU and Texas both getting 1 seeds if they win their conference championships.

[rconverse]

I dunno. If it Nova and Uconn are in the BE champ. game then I can see it, but if one of them loose early I can see OSU and Texas both getting 1 seeds if they win their conference championships.

It is going to be a crazy selection meeting. Suppose this...

UCONN and Nova play in the BE championship game. Nova wins. Now for sure you have to go with two 1 seeds from the BE.

Duke and UNC play in their championship game. I guess it really doesn't matter who wins because I think at the minimum wouldn't everyone agree that between the two they are at least a 1 and a 2 seed.

OSU wins their tournament.
Texas wins their tournament.
Memphis wins their tournament.

Now, one seeds are:

UCONN
Nova
Memphis
Duke/UNC

Two seeds:
UNC/Duke
Texas
Ohio State
Do you leave out GW, Gonzaga? If Illinois goes to the BT championship game, but loses I think they still have an arguement for a 2 seed.

The next few days are going to be awesome. :D

[joepsu0985]

It is going to be a crazy selection meeting. Suppose this...

UCONN and Nova play in the BE championship game. Nova wins. Now for sure you have to go with two 1 seeds from the BE.

Duke and UNC play in their championship game. I guess it really doesn't matter who wins because I think at the minimum wouldn't everyone agree that between the two they are at least a 1 and a 2 seed.

OSU wins their tournament.
Texas wins their tournament.
Memphis wins their tournament.

Now, one seeds are:

UCONN
Nova
Memphis
Duke/UNC

Two seeds:
UNC/Duke
Texas
Ohio State
Do you leave out GW, Gonzaga? If Illinois goes to the BT championship game, but loses I think they still have an arguement for a 2 seed.

The next few days are going to be awesome. :D

Yeah...Then next thrusday is goign to be amazing...:hump

This tournament is going to be amazing.

[SteelerMan]

Yeah...Then next thrusday is goign to be amazing...:hump

This tournament is going to be amazing.

I think this is going to be the toughest one I've ever picked.

[41ravens]

I think this is going to be the toughest one I've ever picked.

I hear ya on that one. There's about 10 teams who I would have no problem putting into the final four and then about 6 of those who I think have a legitimate shot at winning the whole thing.

[seekupig]

i think even if UNC wins the ACC tournament, they don't have a shot at a #1 seed. just my opinion, but they don't have enough time or games to catch the other teams....

[41ravens]

i think the 3 locks are:

UConn
Nova
Duke

the 4th is still up for grabs with Oh. St., Gonzaga, Memphis, and maybe Texas all having a legitimate shot. i think UNC is a 2.

[seekupig]

i think the 3 locks are:

UConn
Nova
Duke

the 4th is still up for grabs with Oh. St., Gonzaga, Memphis, and maybe Texas all having a legitimate shot. i think UNC is a 2.

i think Gonzaga is a #2 no matter what. they've taken a lot of heat for playing close games in that crappy conference. i agree with the others though...

[skatcat]

No way UNC would get a #1. I think the 1 seeds are pretty much spoken for between 6 teams. Just depends on how their conference tourneys play out.

[HolyCow]

i think even if UNC wins the ACC tournament, they don't have a shot at a #1 seed. just my opinion, but they don't have enough time or games to catch the other teams....

Everyone has got to agree with that. The whole season has got to count for something. Sure they have played well in their last ten, but this is a team that lost to some weak teams.

Just because they beat Duke, people are ready for a repeat....I am afraid some may be surprised at how their youngsters will play in the tourney.

[DMBfan41]

I see the ACC going down like this.

Miami over Clemson
Florida State over Wake Forest
Maryland over Georgia Tech
Virginia Tech over Virginia

Duke over Miami
North Carolina State over Florida State
Maryland over Boston College
North Carolina over Virginia Tech

Duke over North Carolina State
North Carolina over Maryland

Duke over North Carolina, REVENGE!!

[SteelerMan]

Everyone has got to agree with that. The whole season has got to count for something. Sure they have played well in their last ten, but this is a team that lost to some weak teams.

Just because they beat Duke, people are ready for a repeat....I am afraid some may be surprised at how their youngsters will play in the tourney.

I don't think anyone is really predicting UNC will win the tournament, I think we're just looking at hypothetical situations. I agree that even if they win the ACC tournament, they may not get a #1 seed. But if that's the case, then I don't think you can give Duke a #1 seed either.

[DMBfan41]

Daamn, McNamara with the running three. Wow.

UConn and Syracuse in the Semi's. That's big

[UNLTrpt]

Gerry walked but that was still a hell of a shot.

[41ravens]

Daamn, McNamara with the running three. Wow.

UConn and Syracuse in the Semi's. That's big

Huge win for Cuse.

[joepsu0985]

Damn the end of that game was pretty amazing. College basketball has officially taken over my life for the next month.

[41ravens]

I didn't get to watch it, but I was paying attention via Espn.com the whole game. Stupid job.

[SteelerMan]

Roy Williams is on the Jim Rome show right now. JJ is his choice for player of the year. :mad

[ousooner]

Roy Williams is on the Jim Rome show right now. JJ is his choice for player of the year. :mad
You beat me to it. I obviously don't know the guy, but from listining to him, how can you not love Roy Williams?

[UNC41]

I don't think anyone is really predicting UNC will win the tournament, I think we're just looking at hypothetical situations. I agree that even if they win the ACC tournament, they may not get a #1 seed. But if that's the case, then I don't think you can give Duke a #1 seed either.

I agree. UNC would be going into the tournament on a 10 game winning streak, while Duke would have lost at least three out of its last five. According to the NCAA selection process a team's seed is affected by where it is at entering the tournament. It's the reason Cinci dropped to a No. 2 after K-mart went down his senior year. If UNC runs the table and defeates Duke in the process I find it hard for the Blue Devils to be rated higher than them.

[rconverse]

I miss Rome. In Chicago, the show is replayed at 10:00 I think, which means I would have to tune in about 11:30 tonight. :mad

[gbs3769]

Huge win. Just huge.

- Primo

[DMBfan41]

Wow, 7 minutes into the game, Georgetown has 0

[Giant Jew]

My whole school exploded in cheering when G-Mac made that shot.

Go Cuse!

[unccrombie]

there was about 100 people in carosel mall today watchin the su game on the circuit city plasmas. when he hit that 3 the place went crazy. i felt like i was at a bar :lol pretty cool thing

[SteelerMan]

You beat me to it. I obviously don't know the guy, but from listining to him, how can you not love Roy Williams?

I agree. I loved him when he was still with Kansas too. In SI, he was voted as the Coach You'd Most Like to Play For by players from the ACC.

[DMBfan41]

Notre Dame loses another close one.

[UNC41]

I just saw G-Mac's shot. That was damn clutch.

[joepsu0985]

Boeheim, really gave it to the media.

[unccrombie]

Boeheim, really gave it to the media.
deservingly so

[joepsu0985]

deservingly so

I want arguing with him. He was right. G-mac is cuse's keystone.

[rconverse]

Boeheim, really gave it to the media.

Why??

[rconverse]

I agree. I loved him when he was still with Kansas too. In SI, he was voted as the Coach You'd Most Like to Play For by players from the ACC.

You can't not like RW, but it is easy to hate UNC. :violent

[Lee3691]

Unless Duke wins the ACC Tourney, I don't see how they are a #1 seed. Ohio St, if they win their tourney, deserve it over Duke.

[joepsu0985]

Why??

For saying G-mac was overrated. I mean he went off, dropped the f-bomb. They had it comming though.

[rconverse]

Unless Duke wins the ACC Tourney, I don't see how they are a #1 seed. Ohio St, if they win their tourney, deserve it over Duke.

They would deserve it because they only have four losses and the nations toughest schedule according to the RPI. The Bucks could still get a number one with some other pieces falling into place. That being said, they are going to win the ACC tourney.

Please don't make me pull out the calclulator and recalculate the odds of Duke beating UNC for the ACC championship using 42 key indexes and stats compiled throughout the year. Last week I did and was spot on! :rolleyes

[rconverse]

For saying G-mac was overrated. I mean he went off, dropped the f-bomb. They had it comming though.

Since you are my "shell answer man" today, how about these...

Why is the sky blue?
Why do birds fly?
Why doesn't ND join a conference?

:D

[joepsu0985]

Too bad PSU will win tomorrow then beat OSU...haha...

[joepsu0985]

Since you are my "shell answer man" today, how about these...

Why is the sky blue?
Why do birds fly?
Why doesn't ND join a conference?

:D

The sky is blue and white because God is a PSU fan...What can I say?

[mizzoudmbfan]

You beat me to it. I obviously don't know the guy, but from listining to him, how can you not love Roy Williams?
You gotta give Roy credit for being a great coach, but the aww shucks good guy routine gets a little old, especially when he starts swearing at the female reporters covering the tourney...that and the crying.

[41ravens]

and notre dame is in a conference for basketball. if you mean football, then i don't have an answer for you.

[ousooner]

Whoohooo, just found out that today was declared Scott Sutton day and all classes were cancelled for Oral Roberts' big win last night. That saves me 4.5 hours of class tonight :multi

[ousooner]

You gotta give Roy credit for being a great coach, but the aww shucks good guy routine gets a little old, especially when he starts swearing at the female reporters covering the tourney...that and the crying.
So he gets a little emotional once in a while, I'm not going to hold that against him.

[rconverse]

and notre dame is in a conference for basketball. if you mean football, then i don't have an answer for you.

It was more of a joke, cause he answered a "why" question in the CFB thread.

[41ravens]

It was more of a joke, cause he answered a "why" question in the CFB thread.

oh. fair enough.

[rconverse]

oh. fair enough.

If you do ever figure out why ND isn't in the BE for football, then feel free to let me know that too.

Also, kinda a random question to anyone who may know, but could ND join a different conference for FB than BB?

[41ravens]

If you do ever figure out why ND isn't in the BE for football, then feel free to let me know that too.

Also, kinda a random question to anyone who may know, but could ND join a different conference for FB than BB?

probably. it's notre dame.

edit: i'm trying to imply that the ncaa would probably let them do whatever they want. sorry, just wanted to clear that up in case of any confusion.

[joepsu0985]

If you do ever figure out why ND isn't in the BE for football, then feel free to let me know that too.

Also, kinda a random question to anyone who may know, but could ND join a different conference for FB than BB?


I dont know...Was PSU's basket ball team in a conference before the football team joined one?

[rconverse]

probably. it's notre dame.

edit: i'm trying to imply that the ncaa would probably let them do whatever they want. sorry, just wanted to clear that up in case of any confusion.

It was well put without the edit. I got it. :thumbsup

[joepsu0985]

I think they were in the A-10...then moved to the Big 10 when football was going to.

[41ravens]

It was well put without the edit. I got it. :thumbsup

:lol ok. just wanted to make sure.

[rconverse]

I dont know...Was PSU's basket ball team in a conference before the football team joined one?

I don't think so, but that was a while ago. I am sure someone can google it or something.

Watchtower86 (Tyler) should know. He lives and dies PSU. Especially football.

[joepsu0985]

probably. it's notre dame.

edit: i'm trying to imply that the ncaa would probably let them do whatever they want. sorry, just wanted to clear that up in case of any confusion.

:lol:lol:lol:lol

[joepsu0985]

I don't think so, but that was a while ago. I am sure someone can google it or something.

Watchtower86 (Tyler) should know. He lives and dies PSU. Especially football.

Im almost positive PSU hoops was in the A-10..

EDIT: Nope they were in the A-10 and then went independant after the 89 season and then joined the Big 10 with the football team.

[rconverse]

Im almost positive PSU hoops was in the A-10..

I still don't get why they wouldn't want to join the Big Ten (errr 11) then???

I mean, I get the whole exclusive deal with NBC, but does anyone watch those games? I think the luster from the NBC deal is lost.

Granted, not every game was broadcast nationally, but I saw every OSU game last year while living in Chicago. To me, it just makes sense for ND to join the BT.

[joepsu0985]

I still don't get why they wouldn't want to join the Big Ten (errr 11) then???

I mean, I get the whole exclusive deal with NBC, but does anyone watch those games? I think the luster from the NBC deal is lost.

Granted, not every game was broadcast nationally, but I saw every OSU game last year while living in Chicago. To me, it just makes sense for ND to join the BT.

Yeah the big 10 gets a lot of games broadcasted. So does ND, but if they joined then there would be 12 teams and there would then be 2 divisions and a conference championship game..

And i think we are in the wrong thread for this convo.

[seekupig]

I agree. UNC would be going into the tournament on a 10 game winning streak, while Duke would have lost at least three out of its last five. According to the NCAA selection process a team's seed is affected by where it is at entering the tournament. It's the reason Cinci dropped to a No. 2 after K-mart went down his senior year. If UNC runs the table and defeates Duke in the process I find it hard for the Blue Devils to be rated higher than them.

the Cinci thing was different. they lost their best player. Duke has the same starting five that they won all those games with. a better comparison would be.....

if Duke loses again, Memphis wins their conference tourney but Rodney Carney breaks his leg in the championship game, do they still get a #1? no.

[rconverse]

the Cinci thing was different. they lost their best player. Duke has the same starting five that they won all those games with. a better comparison would be.....

if Duke loses again, Memphis wins their conference tourney but Rodney Carney breaks his leg in the championship game, do they still get a #1? no.

So what you are saying is that Duke is the best team in the country. I agree. :)

[seekupig]

So what you are saying is that Duke is the best team in the country. I agree. :)

don't get it twisted. i'm saying that they're deserving of a #1 seed based off of their entire season. that being said, i don't think they'll make it to the final four. that of course depends on their draw, but if bracketology is right and they draw Kansas in the sweet sixteen........... :D

[rconverse]

don't get it twisted. i'm saying that they're deserving of a #1 seed based off of their entire season. that being said, i don't think they'll make it to the final four. that of course depends on their draw, but if bracketology is right and they draw Kansas in the sweet sixteen........... :D

I was kidding. But I think it is Duke's turn to knock KU out of the tourney.

[seekupig]

I was kidding. But I think it is Duke's turn to knock KU out of the tourney.

i was kidding too. but i think KU would put up a better fight than most Dukies would care to admit...

[rconverse]

Bring it, bitches. :violent

[HolyCow]

In other news, Eddie Sutton says he may return next season.

Thoughts?

I think he should be fired if he doesn't man up and resign.

[UNC41]

The sky is Carolina blue and white because God is a UNC fan...What can I say?

FYP.

[joepsu0985]

FYP.

heyyy:twenty4

At least Duke wasnt substituted.

[UNC41]

the Cinci thing was different. they lost their best player. Duke has the same starting five that they won all those games with. a better comparison would be.....

if Duke loses again, Memphis wins their conference tourney but Rodney Carney breaks his leg in the championship game, do they still get a #1? no.

Yeah, I understand the comparison was flawed. However, I still don't think a team that has lost three out of its last five (that's assuming Duke makes it to the ACC championship game) to end the season should be a No. 1 seed.

[clayj41]

If you're out there Jared, you'll be happy to know I'm watching the FDU game right now.:thumbsup

[HolyCow]

Ouch FDU. Ouch.

Looked like that guy walked though....2.1 to go. Miracle time.

[dmb8]

Cuse, and Uconn tomorrow.. :bounce ..


Go SU :thumbsup

[seekupig]

sorry, Jared. at least you have Duke to fall back on.

[ousooner]

Louisville is looking good.

[dune]

shocking performance by louisville

[joepsu0985]

Louisville is looking good.

:lol:lol:lol:lol

yeah...they are still in this game for sure.

[ousooner]

Double digits for the Cards.

[clayj41]

shocking performance by louisville

This game is pathetic!

[HolyCow]

Brian, your thought on Eddie?

[dune]

let's just say halfway through the first half, they were on pace to score 8 points the whole game

[DMBfan41]

yeah, depressing game. We looked good the first half and we just sucked second half. 15 points in the second half, and one big blown free throw.

Can't believe we lost, very depressing. Here's hoping Monmouth gets Duke in the first round. I would enjoy that greatly.

To make things worse tonight, The Hall lost to Rutgers. That won't be good for the tournament seeding.

Let's go Duke, Let's Go Hall.

And hey, let's go FDU in the NIT

[ousooner]

Brian, your thought on Eddie?
I don't think he'll come back and I don't think he'll be fired. If he tries to come back OSU will force him to retire. There's no way he comes back.

[RJ2kWJ]

they only face them one more time. duke's not winning a game in the acc tourney.


ps. skip's still the man.

So we will get beat by The U and/or Clemson? Good call. :rolleyes

[gbs3769]

"Without Gerry McNamara we wouldn't've won 10 fucking games this year, OK? Not 10. And everybody's talking to me and writing about Gerry McNamara being overrated?! It's the most bullshit thing I've seen in 30 years." - Jim Boeheim

- Primo

[HolyCow]

"Without Gerry McNamara we wouldn't've won 10 fucking games this year, OK? Not 10. And everybody's talking to me and writing about Gerry McNamara being overrated?! It's the most bulls