Preseason NCAA Basketball Poll is released [Archive] - Page 5

unccrombie

01-18-2005, 01:54 PM

no key foul trouble?
jgray was out within like 3 minutes in the first half with 2 fouls. thats key foul trouble. its just that wake is such a deep team that taron could step up and take his spot.

carolina has the same depth, but TD hit 3 big 3's. wake had that advantage because carolina's bench is more centered around defense. with mccants out there goes a good chunk of scoring. at least TD has the ability to do so whereas say a David Noel doesn't

unccrombie

01-18-2005, 01:58 PM

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/rankingsBC gettin some love at #9

mray10

01-18-2005, 02:06 PM

Tech dropping to 15 seems more appropriate to me.

unccrombie

01-18-2005, 02:07 PM

that'll teach 'em to lose to NC State :lol

Third Floor

01-18-2005, 02:48 PM

carolina has the same depth, but TD hit 3 big 3's. wake had that advantage because carolina's bench is more centered around defense. with mccants out there goes a good chunk of scoring. at least TD has the ability to do so whereas say a David Noel doesn't
chris ellis scoring 11 of the bench was nice too. but yeah wake's bench isnt centered on defence, because well before saturday, i didnt think we knew how to play d.

seekupig

01-18-2005, 03:21 PM

who's everyone's mideseason pick for player of the year?

bustdstuff

01-18-2005, 03:24 PM

who's everyone's mideseason pick for player of the year?

I'm gonna be selfish on this one. JJ Redick. He's carried the team through almost every game (one exception) so far this season.

seekupig

01-18-2005, 03:29 PM

I'm gonna be selfish on this one. JJ Redick. He's carried the team through almost every game (one exception) so far this season.

i'll be selfish too.

Wayne Simien, 17.6 pts with 12.2 rebounds per game.

bustdstuff

01-18-2005, 03:41 PM

i'll be selfish too.

Wayne Simien, 17.6 pts with 12.2 rebounds per game.

Even after that abyssmal game. Reddick's back up to 21 ppg, 95% from the line, and 41% from behind the arc. I'll take those numbers anyday. Could be why I don't mind Randolph and Williams being rebounding machines and not much more.

seekupig

01-18-2005, 03:46 PM

Even after that abyssmal game. Reddick's back up to 21 ppg, 95% from the line, and 41% from behind the arc. I'll take those numbers anyday. Could be why I don't mind Randolph and Williams being rebounding machines and not much more.

Reddick as MVP? sure. Player of the Year? no. can't penalize Wayne Simien for being on a more well rounded team. just my opinion.

bustdstuff

01-18-2005, 03:56 PM

Reddick as MVP? sure. Player of the Year? no. can't penalize Wayne Simien for being on a more well rounded team. just my opinion.

:thumbsup

watchtower41

01-18-2005, 04:04 PM

Reddick as MVP? sure. Player of the Year? no. can't penalize Wayne Simien for being on a more well rounded team. just my opinion.

but they can penalize him for missing 4 games.... and they probably will. No doubt Simien's numbers are the most impressive..... no doubt Reddick is the most important player to his team right now. That being said, this is a popularity contest... if the award were handed out today, it wouldnt surprise me one bit if a Warrick, Gray or McCants won, even though their numbers pale in comparison.

bustdstuff

01-18-2005, 04:07 PM

but they can penalize him for missing 4 games.... and they probably will. No doubt Simien's numbers are the most impressive..... no doubt Reddick is the most important player to his team right now. That being said, this is a popularity contest... if the award were handed out today, it wouldnt surprise me one bit if a Warrick, Gray or McCants won, even though their numbers pale in comparison.

Although your argument has merit also.

mray10

01-18-2005, 04:13 PM

Simien as player of the year

Ike Diogu for MVP. He might be the player of the year, too. And ASU is nothing without him (not that they're a great team with him, but still).

bustdstuff

01-18-2005, 04:33 PM

seekupig

01-18-2005, 05:06 PM

Has anyone else read about this ESPNU that they are going to debut 03-04-05? I like the idea of getting more games during conference championship week. As long as Comcast doesn't want more money for it.

they're starting college gameday for basketball also. not sure if it's the same, but it'll be cool watching them live on campus before big games (especially around here.:) )

bustdstuff

01-18-2005, 05:11 PM

they're starting college gameday for basketball also. not sure if it's the same, but it'll be cool watching them live on campus before big games (especially around here.:) )

Can you imagine what it'll be like for some of these late season ACC games? :multi

seekupig

01-18-2005, 05:15 PM

Can you imagine what it'll be like for some of these late season ACC games? :multi

even as a KU fan, i can fully appreciate it. great place to live this time of year.

UNC41

01-18-2005, 05:15 PM

Simien as player of the year

Ike Diogu for MVP. He might be the player of the year, too. And ASU is nothing without him (not that they're a great team with him, but still).

:thumbsup

Diogu is a straight stud.

unccrombie

01-18-2005, 06:51 PM

player of the year is chris paul :lol

mray10

01-18-2005, 06:55 PM

:thumbsup

Diogu is a straight stud.

I was on the ASU campus back in December and bumped into him. Now, I'm a big guy (6.6, 215) and when I was a student at UA I lived with Richard Jefferson for a summer and across the hall from Gil Arenas one semester so I spent some time with the team back then (including Loren Woods and Walton). But Diogu is just HUGE. He's shorter than Loren Woods, I think, but the man is just a tree.

And he has game. Great inside and he can shoot from outside. Hasn't scored fewer than 10 points in a game in his career.

bustdstuff

01-18-2005, 08:03 PM

even as a KU fan, i can fully appreciate it. great place to live this time of year.

I think having a College Gameday for basketball is going to make football fans step up their game next year. Those guys being in the middle of Krzyzewskiville, Chapel Hill, Wake, or Kansas. It's going to put a football Gameday to shame (at least this year since it's only been done a couple of times).

seekupig

01-18-2005, 08:48 PM

FSU beating Wake by 14 at the half.:lol

unccrombie

01-18-2005, 09:02 PM

FSU beating Wake by 14 at the half.:lol
:lol ?

edit: oh shit, your serious :lol

bustdstuff

01-18-2005, 09:06 PM

I think teams are just falling over themselves to give Duke another spot. :lol

clayj41

01-18-2005, 09:08 PM

FSU beating Wake by 14 at the half.:lol

:eek

unccrombie

01-18-2005, 09:09 PM

:lol can you imagie if WF loses? the ACC would be a rat race

UNC41

01-18-2005, 09:14 PM

FSU beating Wake by 14 at the half.:lol

:freak
Wow, I'm going to have to go watch the rest of this game.

unccrombie

01-18-2005, 09:40 PM

FSU by 6 still, and SU is down 3 to G'town

bustdstuff

01-18-2005, 09:44 PM

All tied up with six to go.

bustdstuff

01-18-2005, 10:02 PM

20 seconds to upset!!!

haildmb

01-18-2005, 10:05 PM

georgetown and cuse going into overtime

clayj41

01-18-2005, 10:07 PM

And One!!!

haildmb

01-18-2005, 10:07 PM

Wow.

clayj41

01-18-2005, 10:08 PM

Overtime.

seekupig

01-18-2005, 10:08 PM

are you fucking kidding me?

haildmb

01-18-2005, 10:09 PM

That was awesome

seekupig

01-18-2005, 10:10 PM

That was awesome

the shot or the missed free throw? (or both):lol

RJ2kWJ

01-18-2005, 10:12 PM

So who is everyone rootin for?

bustdstuff

01-18-2005, 10:12 PM

This is pathetic

clayj41

01-18-2005, 10:12 PM

So who is everyone rootin for?

FSU of course.

haildmb

01-18-2005, 10:15 PM

Wake

bustdstuff

01-18-2005, 10:17 PM

FSU and Gtown

seekupig

01-18-2005, 10:18 PM

FSU and Gtown

blue devils #3

clayj41

01-18-2005, 10:19 PM

What a great overtime by FSU.

bustdstuff

01-18-2005, 10:19 PM

blue devils #3

That's what I'm lookin' for

bustdstuff

01-18-2005, 10:20 PM

What a great overtime by FSU.

Up by 9 going to the line

bustdstuff

01-18-2005, 10:22 PM

Why the hell are they storming the floor tonight?? No offense to Wake but FSU has upset Duke twice on that court in very recent years. They should get ahlod of themselves a little.

unccrombie

01-18-2005, 10:25 PM

big win for FSU, holy shit. the ACC race is going to be INSANE

twosteppn36

01-18-2005, 10:26 PM

phew

unccrombie

01-18-2005, 10:27 PM

phew
same goes to our SU boys. are you going to the ND game?

UNC41

01-18-2005, 10:29 PM

Galloway was a lot of fun to watch in overtime. I always love those short point guards like Drew Lavander at Oklahoma.

twosteppn36

01-18-2005, 10:30 PM

same goes to our SU boys. are you going to the ND game?

notre dame, uconn, and pittsburgh

their defense better be a lot better than they played tonight

bdb23

01-18-2005, 10:37 PM

Top-heavy ACC????

(just giving you guys some shit)

bustdstuff

01-18-2005, 10:39 PM

Top-heavy ACC????

(just giving you guys some shit)

I'm alright with that. (my teams all the way on top ;))

Third Floor

01-18-2005, 11:03 PM

its tought to beat fsu in tallahassee anyways, and when 3 players have career nights its even worse.

bdb23

01-18-2005, 11:03 PM

I'm alright with that. (my teams all the way on top ;))
I knew you'd have an easy out. :D

bustdstuff

01-18-2005, 11:21 PM

I knew you'd have an easy out. :D

Well it helps when they haven't lost yet. :p

seekupig

01-18-2005, 11:26 PM

Well it helps when they haven't lost yet. :p

Dukies last month is brutal though. hopefully this injury run they've been on pays off with a deeper bench when they need it. scheduling has been very fortunate for them, couldn't have drawn it up any better yourself.;)

seekupig

01-18-2005, 11:32 PM

its tought to beat fsu in tallahassee anyways, and when 3 players have career nights its even worse.

very true. tough loss to swallow coming off that win over UNC. i hate when you think the game is over, your team comes back, then blows it. almost wish they'd just get blown out instead of taking you on an emotional roller coaster. oh well, it's conference ball, that's what happens this time of year.

bustdstuff

01-18-2005, 11:33 PM

Dukies last month is brutal though. hopefully this injury run they've been on pays off with a deeper bench when they need it. scheduling has been very fortunate for them, couldn't have drawn it up any better yourself.;)

The last month is always brutal. Hopefully we've drawn all the injuries we're gonna get.

bustdstuff

01-19-2005, 12:07 AM

So when is Gorgetown going to get some love I know they've lost, but not as bad as some teams. I think there as worthy as some other teams in the top 25.

P.S. I haven't gone to look at their schedule, but everytime I see them they're giving some ranked team hell.

clayj41

01-19-2005, 12:11 AM

The last month is always brutal. Hopefully we've drawn all the injuries we're gonna get.

Hopefully not. :p

bustdstuff

01-19-2005, 12:14 AM

Hopefully not. :p

Oh come on you know you want our best, just like we want your best. That way you know there's no crying later, and the critics can't say "I wonder how they would have played if .........".

clayj41

01-19-2005, 12:15 AM

Oh come on you know you want our best, just like we want your best. That way you know there's no crying later, and the critics can't say "I wonder how they would have played if .........".

Agreed.

bustdstuff

01-19-2005, 12:17 AM

Agreed.

Could you imagine if a Duke /UNC game was played minus Felton and Reddick. :ugh It might rank up there with some of the uglier games we could see this season

clayj41

01-19-2005, 12:21 AM

Could you imagine if a Duke /UNC game was played minus Felton and Reddick. :ugh It might rank up there with some of the uglier games we could see this season

That would be unbearable.

bustdstuff

01-19-2005, 12:43 AM

That would be unbearable.

We still wouldn't miss a second of it though. :rolleyes ;)

seekupig

01-19-2005, 09:31 AM

unccrombie

01-19-2005, 10:38 AM

Could you imagine if a Duke /UNC game was played minus Felton and Reddick. :ugh It might rank up there with some of the uglier games we could see this season
I think UNC has the edge over duke if they don't have reddick. noel is 2nd to felton in defense IMO, doesn't score as much, but who knows.

UNC41

01-19-2005, 02:09 PM

I think UNC has the edge over duke if they don't have reddick. noel is 2nd to felton in defense IMO, doesn't score as much, but who knows.

Jackie Manuel is easily the best defender on the team. Noel in no way could replace Felton. He is a wing forward who has an average shot, hustles his ass off, and boards well, but nobody on the Heels can run the point anywhere near the level of Felton.

watchtower41

01-19-2005, 02:26 PM

ESPN Final Fourcast. Simulated through ESPN College Hoops 2k5 (great game by the way)

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=1970390

Deacs by 15 over Jayhawks in National Championship. One of these things never actually came true right??? I don't think I could deal with that....

watchtower41

01-19-2005, 02:28 PM

Vote for your Final Four on Sportsnation

http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/sportsnation/polling?event_id=1137

Third Floor

01-19-2005, 02:54 PM

I think UNC has the edge over duke if they don't have reddick. noel is 2nd to felton in defense IMO, doesn't score as much, but who knows.
UNC has the edge over duke if they have reddick.

seekupig

01-19-2005, 03:05 PM

UNC has the edge over duke if they have reddick.

:thumbsup

clayj41

01-19-2005, 03:13 PM

:thumbsup

:thumbsup :thumbsup

UNC41

01-19-2005, 03:31 PM

:thumbsup :thumbsup

:thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup

RJ2kWJ

01-19-2005, 03:34 PM

Dont burst my bubble. :(

seekupig

01-19-2005, 03:41 PM

Vote for your Final Four on Sportsnation

http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/sportsnation/polling?event_id=1137

what are everyone's picks?

twosteppn36

01-19-2005, 03:43 PM

:thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup

:thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup

RJ2kWJ

01-19-2005, 04:06 PM

what are everyone's picks?

Kansas, UNC, Kentucky, OK St.

watchtower41

01-19-2005, 04:10 PM

what are everyone's picks?

big surprise with my answers.... :p gotta pad the stats though, to nobody's surprise KU isnt winning any of them. I think its a pretty cool poll though.

1. KU
2. Duke
3. Louisville (showed me alot by coming back and stealing that Cincy game)
4. Wake
5. Simien
6. Self (how is Weber ahead of him?? blasphemy!!!!)

seekupig

01-19-2005, 04:20 PM

what are everyone's picks?

Kansas
Oklahoma St.
UConn
Wake Forest
Chris Paul
Bill Self

mray10

01-19-2005, 04:30 PM

Kansas
Oklahoma St.
Arizona (homer alert)
Wake Forest
Simien
Roy

RJ2kWJ

01-19-2005, 09:38 PM

Lets go Duuuuuuuuuuuke.

unccrombie

01-19-2005, 09:41 PM

Lets go Duuuuuuuuuuuke.
boo that game, all eyes are on kansas/nebraska

RJ2kWJ

01-19-2005, 09:46 PM

boo that game, all eyes are on kansas/nebraska

Split screen :D

Just have the Duke sound coming through the 6.1

clayj41

01-19-2005, 09:47 PM

1. UNC
2. Duke
3. Arizona
4. Kansas
5. Chris Paul
6. Roy Williams

unccrombie

01-19-2005, 11:03 PM

Split screen :D

Just have the Duke sound coming through the 6.1
no need to show off now :lol

RJ2kWJ

01-19-2005, 11:11 PM

Wow the Jayhawks ALMOST WENT DOWN!!! GOD DAMN IT!

seekupig

01-19-2005, 11:20 PM

i'll take an ugly win over a pretty loss any day.

still undefeated.:)

clayj41

01-19-2005, 11:23 PM

i'll take an ugly win over a pretty loss any day.

still undefeated.:)

A win is a win, and yes they are still undefeated.

seekupig

01-19-2005, 11:30 PM

Wow the Jayhawks ALMOST WENT DOWN!!! GOD DAMN IT!

safe to assume you weren't pulling for KU tonite?;)

bustdstuff

01-19-2005, 11:52 PM

safe to assume you weren't pulling for KU tonite?;)

Come on. Like you would pull for Duke in any game? :rolleyes

seekupig

01-20-2005, 08:11 AM

Come on. Like you would pull for Duke in any game? :rolleyes

I pull against Duke simply for the amount of time they spend on my tv......... (see your sig.)

bdb23

01-20-2005, 09:38 AM

Reading material for everyone... :D

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/columns/story?columnist=shelman_jeff&id=1970281

RJ2kWJ

01-20-2005, 10:06 AM

Reading material for everyone... :D

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/columns/story?columnist=shelman_jeff&id=1970281

I wonder if theyll eventually go down.

Their composure is amazing.

seekupig

01-20-2005, 02:08 PM

I wonder if theyll eventually go down.

Their composure is amazing.

they will. everyone will lose at least one game. some sooner than others (Kansas), but they'll all lose at least once. their composure is amazing, but i'd still like to see them in a one or two point game with the clock winding down. that's when you see composure.

seekupig

01-20-2005, 05:45 PM

Iowa @ Illinois tonite. Illinois should win handily, but it'll be my first time watching them play since Wake.

bdb23

01-20-2005, 06:01 PM

seekupig

01-20-2005, 06:16 PM

With their guard play, I think their composure would be just fine with the clock winding down. But I do agree, they'll probably lose at some point. I'm just hoping it's after the rest of you lose your game. :D

If Kansas plays against Villanova on Saturday the way they did last night, you won't be waiting long.

I thought Kansas had good guard play in '97 when they were 34-1 going into their sweet 16 game against Arizona. down by three with the clock winding down, Jacque Vaughn passed the ball down low to LaFrentz.:confused . game over.
At least the Illini guards can shoot, that's one thing he didn't have.

twosteppn36

01-20-2005, 09:43 PM

i wish steve lavin would swallow glass

ProudestAnt

01-20-2005, 09:57 PM

Good ending in Iowa Illini...

ProudestAnt

01-20-2005, 10:00 PM

Here we go...

ProudestAnt

01-20-2005, 10:01 PM

Ovatime!!!

bdb23

01-20-2005, 10:39 PM

Shit that was close. I guess we got a half-half answer about the guard play in the clutch. Just looked like most of the team didn't show up on offense tonight. Give Iowa credit b/c they scrapped well with us. But looks like we'll be on top for at least 1 more week.

I-L-L...

I-N-I!!!!!

mray10

01-21-2005, 11:27 AM

Salim Stoudamire's last three games ... 80 points (21 / 32 / 27) :thumbsup

UNC41

01-21-2005, 12:06 PM

Salim Stoudamire's last three games ... 80 points (21 / 32 / 27) :thumbsup

In the past he has been streaky as hell from behind the arc, but this year Salim is straight money. Him and Hassan Adams are the reason watching Zona is a lot of fun.

mray10

01-21-2005, 12:20 PM

In the past he has been streaky as hell from behind the arc, but this year Salim is straight money. Him and Hassan Adams are the reason watching Zona is a lot of fun.

He still has some attitude problems. He lived next door his freshman year and even then he was aware that he needed to get it under control, but he would go out and if he wasn't shooting well in a game he would get frustrated and take himself out of it. And he came back for his sophomore year saying "I know I can't be like that anymore" but he was. Same story last year (his junior year). And same story this year, he had a meltdown back in December that got him benched for a while. He's looking great right now, but it can't last all the way through March and when he starts to struggle it'll be interesting to see if he can keep himself together.

cwsrule88

01-21-2005, 12:53 PM

illini still #1

bdb23

01-21-2005, 12:59 PM

illini still #1
:thumbsup

clayj41

01-21-2005, 01:25 PM

illini still #1

That ends Tuesday at Madison. ;)

bdb23

01-21-2005, 01:27 PM

That ends Tuesday at Madison. ;)
:thumbsdow :24 :D

mray10

01-21-2005, 01:29 PM

Doesn't matter at all who #1 is now. March ranking are what matters. :)

But Illinois proved last night they can win when they have an off night (against a pretty good team), and they have composure enough to come back and win in overtime after they choked in the final minutes of regulation.

watchtower41

01-21-2005, 05:12 PM

If Kansas plays against Villanova on Saturday the way they did last night, you won't be waiting long.

I thought Kansas had good guard play in '97 when they were 34-1 going into their sweet 16 game against Arizona. down by three with the clock winding down, Jacque Vaughn passed the ball down low to LaFrentz.:confused . game over.
At least the Illini guards can shoot, that's one thing he didn't have.

KU had the had the best talent in the nation that year.... bar none.... that team was the last true threat to go undefeated through the whole season....losing in their 23rd game at Mizzou in Double OT. Vaughn didnt lose that game, the Jayhawks lack of speed did....... one thing Illinois and Kansas have plenty of this season. Many people expect KU to lose tomorrow, I think they'll have their way with Villinova. The Nebraska game was a "loss" for all intensive purposes, if they are a good team, they'll bounce back right away without even flinching. Very similar to their scare with Texas A&M before going out to Kentucky and shutting them down. Same thing again with Illinois.... many people expect them to go down in Madison next week, but last night's "close call" may give them the extra edge, wake up call and experience needed to overcome a tougher opponent on the road.

seekupig

01-21-2005, 06:45 PM

Many people expect KU to lose tomorrow, I think they'll have their way with Villinova. The Nebraska game was a "loss" for all intensive purposes, if they are a good team, they'll bounce back right away without even flinching. Very similar to their scare with Texas A&M before going out to Kentucky and shutting them down. Same thing again with Illinois.... many people expect them to go down in Madison next week, but last night's "close call" may give them the extra edge, wake up call and experience needed to overcome a tougher opponent on the road.

:thumbsup
i agree that after last nite's close call, Illinois will beat the Badgers (a loss i've been calling for a couple of weeks now) on Tuesday. same with KU tomorrow, i just hate picking them to win when everything suggests they should lose. i don't mind being wrong when predicting a KU loss.:)

seekupig

01-21-2005, 11:42 PM

Kansas @ Villanova, Saturday, noon, ESPN.

ousooner

01-22-2005, 12:02 AM

What do you guys think about OU? Are they legit? We get Texas here tomorrow 2:45 Central, CBS) and Oklahoma State Monday (ESPN Big Monday). Win those and we'll be pushing the top 10. Our only two losses are to #4 Duke (Madison Square Garden) and #10 Washington (second game of the season in Alaska) I think we have Sweet 16 potential this year, but next year will be the year with all five starters coming back. Can't wait to see Taj Gray and Bookout take on Simien.

clayj41

01-22-2005, 02:36 AM

OU isn't a bad team. They definitely have Sweet 16 potential. How they perform in those next two games though is gonna tell a lot about how good they are.

gbs3769

01-22-2005, 03:12 AM

I had to come back to remind you all that the 'Cuse are the best team in the country.

- Matt

seekupig

01-22-2005, 10:18 AM

I had to come back to remind you all that the 'Cuse are the best team in the country.

- Matt

thanks for clearing up that confusion in the polls.........

twosteppn36

01-22-2005, 10:21 AM

:lol

RMinor205

01-22-2005, 10:34 AM

I had to come back to remind you all that the 'Cuse are the best team in the country.

- Matt
why weren't you here last week when i said that and everyone got pissed :lol

seekupig

01-22-2005, 11:25 AM

Syracuse rankings........

AP - 7
ESPN - 7
CBS - 8
RPI - 10 (with a strength of schedule ranked at #89)

good? yes. best team in the country? not yet. luckily for you guys, you normally play your best ball in March when it actually counts.

twosteppn36

01-22-2005, 11:26 AM

:monkey

monkey madness

seekupig

01-22-2005, 11:27 AM

:monkey

monkey madness

sounds like the post season NIT.

twosteppn36

01-22-2005, 11:28 AM

not in tournament?

RMinor205

01-22-2005, 11:44 AM

luckily for you guys, you normally play your best ball in March when it actually counts.

...and that's all that matters.

seekupig

01-22-2005, 11:49 AM

...and that's all that matters.

agreed. so let's save all that best team in the country talk until it matters, Syracanes.

twosteppn36

01-22-2005, 11:51 AM

:lol

clayj41

01-22-2005, 11:51 AM

Syracanes.

:lol

RMinor205

01-22-2005, 01:09 PM

agreed. so let's save all that best team in the country talk until it matters, Syracanes.
Sounds good to me, 2003 runner-up

gbs3769

01-22-2005, 01:25 PM

good? yes. best team in the country? not yet. luckily for you guys, you normally play your best ball in March when it actually counts.

Rankings mean nothing. Look at Villanova for instance. Unranked team, but has played some very good/great teams very close and will likely upset Kansas today. Look at our team in 02-03. We weren't in the Top 25 preseason and were picked to finish in the bottom half of the Big East and we ended up winning the National Championship.

At this point in the season, Syracuse can play with, and beat any team in the country.

All that matters it what happens in the tourney. Which is exactly, like you said, when we play our best ball.

- Matt

twosteppn36

01-22-2005, 02:30 PM

Sounds good to me, 2003 runner-up

:thumbsup oooooh...i like it :lol

MarkDMB

01-22-2005, 02:39 PM

Villanova is running us out of the gym. I'm going to go hide.

watchtower86

01-22-2005, 02:59 PM

damn, villano-fun is ripping kansas. i went to get a shower at halftime, i come back out of my shower and nova is up by 30. holy shit. gotta give it up for the hometown squad

clayj41

01-22-2005, 03:01 PM

83-62. I didn't necessarily think Kansas would win, but I didn't think they would get their asses kicked the way they did.

watchtower86

01-22-2005, 03:02 PM

goddamn. my friend is there too. lucky bastard

seekupig

01-22-2005, 03:08 PM

ass beating, plain and simple. no excuses. Villanova wanted to win bad and KU appeared to not give a fuck. should be a good wake up call if nothing else.

bdb23

01-22-2005, 03:13 PM

Damn did I enjoy that Nova/KU game. The looks on Self's face were just priceless. Couldn't happen to a better guy. :lol

haildmb

01-22-2005, 03:18 PM

Villanova, wow, nice

Watching Wake now

300xxx

01-22-2005, 03:25 PM

big :thumbsup to nova, 1st of 2 big philly wins this weekend

bustdstuff

01-22-2005, 03:52 PM

If Kansas plays against Villanova on Saturday the way they did last night, you won't be waiting long.

We didn't wait long did we? :evil

Third Floor

01-22-2005, 04:16 PM

i feel good for taron.

bdb23

01-22-2005, 04:23 PM

We didn't wait long did we? :evil
Nope. :D

seekupig

01-22-2005, 04:27 PM

big :thumbsup to nova, 1st of 2 big philly wins this weekend

chances of Atlanta beating Philly tomorrow are about as good as the chances of 'Nova beating KU in basketball.:)

dmb1spe

01-22-2005, 04:51 PM

Rock Chalk Jayhawk

mizzoudmbfan

01-22-2005, 04:54 PM

finally kU lost...all is right in the world. the apocalypse has been adverted for another year.

seekupig

01-22-2005, 05:46 PM

Rock Chalk Jayhawk

how bad does that game make Kentucky look?

watchtower86

01-22-2005, 06:16 PM

chances of Atlanta beating Philly tomorrow are about as good as the chances of 'Nova beating KU in basketball.:)
i scoff at you. scoff scoff scoff scoff scoff

bustdstuff

01-22-2005, 07:19 PM

So Ga. Tech loses again. :rolleyes They had so much potential, and now I have to wonder if they'll even get an invite.

bustdstuff

01-22-2005, 07:38 PM

Reddick already has 13. FSU looks like they're gonna get creamed.

JimiThang1

01-22-2005, 07:40 PM

So Ga. Tech loses again. :rolleyes They had so much potential, and now I have to wonder if they'll even get an invite.

Oh no we'll get an invite...the team just hasn't been the same since Elder hurt himself...he'll be back thursday hopefully...today was just a close ass game...

watchtower86

01-22-2005, 07:49 PM

So Ga. Tech loses again. :rolleyes They had so much potential, and now I have to wonder if they'll even get an invite.
i really cant believe you posted this seriously. of course ga tech will get an invite. thats ridiculous to say otherwise. they were #8 before UNC beat them

paris72

01-22-2005, 08:01 PM

how bad does that game make Kentucky look?

Not bad considering the margin of loss and Nova isn't even ranked.

ousooner

01-22-2005, 08:05 PM

Just got back from the OU-texas game. Hard fought win. Kevin Bookout was a beast in the second half. We shot 38% from the field (6/28 from 3 point, 8/14 free throw). Lost Taj Gray with 10 minutes to go. Got his fourth foul and a technical that counted as his fifth on the same play. Texas' frontcourt is huge. It will be pure Bedlam Monday night when Oklahoma State comes in.

By the way, I hate sitting next to people that think the players can here them and shout at the top of their lungs the entire game.

watchtower86

01-22-2005, 08:06 PM

Just got back from the OU-texas game. Hard fought win. We shot 38% from the field (6/28 from 3 point, 8/14 free throw). Lost Taj Gray with 10 minutes to go. Got his fourth foul and a technical that counted as his fifth on the same play. Texas' frontcourt is huge. It will be pure Bedlam Monday night when Oklahoma State comes in.

By the way, I hate sitting next to people that think the players can here them and shout at the top of their lungs the entire game.
wait, you mean they cant hear each individual word when we yell?

bustdstuff

01-22-2005, 08:07 PM

i really cant believe you posted this seriously. of course ga tech will get an invite. thats ridiculous to say otherwise. they were #8 before UNC beat them

Three losses in a row hurts big time. I didn't mean that right now they wouldn't get an invite. Meant it more like the way things are going with them right now if they don't get it turned around they'll be playing in the NIT.

P.S. JJ had 19 at the half. Very nice

watchtower86

01-22-2005, 08:09 PM

i highly doubt with their talent that ga tech will tank it that badly

ousooner

01-22-2005, 08:10 PM

wait, you mean they cant hear each individual word when we yell?

It's annoying as hell. I want to turn to the guy and say "what are you doing here, shouldn't you be coaching a game somewhere?" Everyone's an expert.

watchtower86

01-22-2005, 08:13 PM

It's annoying as hell. I want to turn to the guy and say "what are you doing here, shouldn't you be coaching a game somewhere?" Everyone's an expert.
i typically refrain from yelling insults and heckling at our high school bball games until its quiet. then the players hear it too. its fun when you dont even go to the school for which you are heckling.

unccrombie

01-22-2005, 11:40 PM

woohoo go nova, that'll put duke #2. i think kansas will drop to 4. plus oklahoma beat texas, another big upset there that doesn't get much attention

twosteppn36

01-23-2005, 12:10 AM

wake better drop...bringing oklahoma st to #3 and unc to #4

and woohoo.....connecticut lost

ousooner

01-23-2005, 12:26 AM

woohoo go nova, that'll put duke #2. i think kansas will drop to 4. plus oklahoma beat texas, another big upset there that doesn't get much attention

Oklahoma was an 8 point favorite. Not really an upset unless your just going by rankings.

wake better drop...bringing oklahoma st to #3 and unc to #4

and woohoo.....connecticut lost

Oklahoma State lost to Texas this past Monday. They should drop a few spots.

gbs3769

01-23-2005, 12:42 AM

and woohoo.....connecticut lost

Amen to that.

And only 5 wins to 700.

- Matt

twosteppn36

01-23-2005, 12:51 AM

Oklahoma State lost to Texas this past Monday. They should drop a few spots.

ahh yes...:thumbsup to the cuse movin up

unccrombie

01-23-2005, 12:54 AM

wake better drop...bringing oklahoma st to #3 and unc to #4

and woohoo.....connecticut lost
who's ok state played besides SU?

gbs3769

01-23-2005, 12:56 AM

who's ok state played besides SU?

Not to mention that the Syracuse team that they beat isn't the same Syracuse that is rocking the Big East right now.

- Matt

twosteppn36

01-23-2005, 12:57 AM

who's ok state played besides SU?

gonzaga and texas...which they lost to both

ousooner

01-23-2005, 01:08 AM

Oklahoma State will have problems with any team that has a good front court. Taj Gray and Bookout should be big matchup problems for them Monday night.

RMinor205

01-23-2005, 11:06 AM

woohoo go nova, that'll put duke #2. i think kansas will drop to 4. plus oklahoma beat texas, another big upset there that doesn't get much attention
Duke won't be #2 until they get a game in the paint. I'm suprised their in the top 5.

seekupig

01-23-2005, 11:09 AM

Duke won't be #2 until they get a game in the paint. I'm suprised their in the top 5.

Duke will be #2. you don't get votes based on frontcourts or backcourts, just wins and losses. Duke has a lot of wins and zero losses. they will be #2. what does is say about them that their frontcourt has been banged up all season and they've still managed to stay undefeated?

RMinor205

01-23-2005, 11:25 AM

tyler1389

01-23-2005, 11:28 AM

Oklahoma State will have problems with any team that has a good front court. Taj Gray and Bookout should be big matchup problems for them Monday night.

Any team has problems when they meet Joey Graham. I'm also pretty confident that Ivan can handle Gray, and Bookout is only 6'8, so Crawford and Monds should be okay on Bookout.

seekupig

01-23-2005, 11:33 AM

The only reason is cause Kansas and Wake both suck ass

that might be the stupidest thing i've read in this thread yet. thanks for making me dumber.

RMinor205

01-23-2005, 11:39 AM

that might be the stupidest thing i've read in this thread yet. thanks for making me dumber.
man you gotta get over that 2003 game, don't be mad, it was 2 years ago.

unccrombie

01-23-2005, 11:45 AM

The only reason is cause Kansas and Wake both suck ass and they lost to two crappy teams. Kansas to Nova, and Wake to FSU (HAHAHHA) And if thats the way it's gonna be, Syracuse will be #3, since all the teams between them and duke lost.
no way SU will be 3, thats just ignorance. villanova and fl. state aren't crappy teams. fl. state has pulled off many upsets over big teams. they've beaten duke at least 3 times over the last like 6 years or something. and nova doesnt suck either. they're a scrappy team and have hung with many of the top ranked teams, i don't see how you think they suck.

illi will stay 1
duke 2, since they're undefeated
ok state
kansas/unc
wake/su/kansas

RMinor205

01-23-2005, 11:49 AM

RMinor205

01-23-2005, 11:50 AM

plus the only game SU loast this year it to a higher ranked team, so you tell me why they dont deserve #3...

ousooner

01-23-2005, 11:50 AM

Any team has problems when they meet Joey Graham. I'm also pretty confident that Ivan can handle Gray, and Bookout is only 6'8, so Crawford and Monds should be okay on Bookout.

It's not as much of a problem defensively for OSU, it's more of a problem offensively. OSU will have a problem getting a lot of offensive production inside which will put a lot of pressure on there backcourt to get it done. Also, with Bookout and Gray being better offensively, McFarland may find himself in foul trouble and you know Crawford will.

seekupig

01-23-2005, 12:55 PM

man you gotta get over that 2003 game, don't be mad, it was 2 years ago.

what does that have to do with what i said? nothing? ok. Just because it was the best day in your history (not your avatars history) doesn't mean it was the worst day in mine. i have been through much worse losses than that one.

Sportsfan - "who's your favorite college team?"

RMinor205 - "how much time you got?"

Sportsfan - "it's a simple question man, what's your favorite college team, how long can it take?"

RMinor205 - "well it's kind of funny, and i know this probably won't make sense, but here goes..... In football i like Miami, not of Ohio, but THE University of Miami Hurricanes. In basketball i really love the 'Cuse, man. gotta pull for my Orangemen, wooo!

Sportsfan - "damn, you're all over the map, man.....how 'bout baseball and women's soccer?"

RMinor205 - "let me think for a second............................................ ........ got it! baseball? definately Texas! I know we got upset in the college world series last year, but we'll be back. Hook 'em Horns, yea baby! women's soccer? that's easy, GO TAR HEELS!!!!

Sportsfan - "later dude............... "

RMinor205 - "wait man, come back, i'm not done yet.........."

seekupig

01-23-2005, 12:58 PM

OK STATE LOST.. they won't be #3, UNC LOST, THey won't be #4, Kansas lost, they won't be #4 or 5, SYRACUSE WON all their games this week, they will move up to at least 4. does anybody know whats goin on here

UNC lost LAST week, not this week. does anyone know what's going on?

seekupig

01-23-2005, 03:00 PM

plus the only game SU loast this year it to a higher ranked team, so you tell me why they dont deserve #3...

ready? current AP rankings, records, and results for this week.

1. Illinois (19-0)
-beat Iowa 73-68

2. Kansas (14-1)
-beat Nebraska 59-57
-lost to Villanova 83-62

3. Wake Forest (16-2)
-lost to Florida St. 91-83
-beat Cincinnatti 74-70

4. Duke (15-0)
-beat Miami 92-83
-beat Florida St. 88-56

5. Oklahoma St. (14-2)
-lost to Texas 75-61
-beat Baylor 82-53

6. North Carolina (16-2)
-beat Clemson 77-58
-beat Miami 87-67

7. Syracuse (19-1)
-beat Georgetown 78-73
-beat West Virginia 72-64

with that, here's how i think the rankings will look come monday morning.....

1. Illinois
2. Duke
3. UNC
4. Kansas
5. Wake Forest
6. Syracuse
7. Oklahoma St.

do i think it's right? no. but it's been shown over time that teams in the top five that lose this late in the season usually don't drop more than two or three spots at a time.

twosteppn36

01-23-2005, 03:24 PM

1. Illinois
2. Duke
3. UNC
4. Kansas
5. Wake Forest
6. Syracuse
7. Oklahoma St.

do i think it's right? no. but it's been shown over time that teams in the top five that lose this late in the season usually don't drop more than two or three spots at a time.

kansas should drop at least 3 after being spanked. heres how i think it should be

1. Illinois
2. Duke
3. UNC
4. Syracuse
5. Kansas
6. Wake
7. kentucky
8. oklahoma st.

unccrombie

01-23-2005, 03:25 PM

plus the only game SU loast this year it to a higher ranked team, so you tell me why they dont deserve #3...
they haven't played anyone good and won :lol

seekupig

01-23-2005, 04:02 PM

kansas should drop at least 3 after being spanked. heres how i think it should be

1. Illinois
2. Duke
3. UNC
4. Syracuse
5. Kansas
6. Wake
7. kentucky
8. oklahoma st.

:thumbsup

i posted how i think it will be, not how it should be. Kansas should drop to at least #5. Even after losing, KU is still #1 in the RPI largely in part to their #1 strength of schedule.

seekupig

01-23-2005, 04:09 PM

they haven't played anyone good and won :lol

Northern Colorado
Princeton
Mississippi St.
Memphis
Sienna
St. Bonaventure
Colgate
Oklahoma St. (loss)
Binghamtom
Drexel
Cornell
Rice
Albany
Hofstra
St. Johns
Seton Hall
Notre Dame
Providence
Georgetown
West Virginia

RJ2kWJ

01-24-2005, 12:48 AM

that might be the stupidest thing i've read in this thread yet. thanks for making me dumber.

Or kansas got raped by an un-ranked team.

bustdstuff

01-24-2005, 01:02 AM

OK STATE LOST.. they won't be #3, UNC LOST, THey won't be #4, Kansas lost, they won't be #4 or 5, SYRACUSE WON all their games this week, they will move up to at least 4. does anybody know whats goin on here

It's good to see you're finally asking for help. We've all known for a while that you don't know whats going on. Why don't you get back to us when you've stepped out of your fantsy land.

clayj41

01-24-2005, 01:11 AM

It's good to see you're finally asking for help. We've all known for a while that you don't know whats going on. Why don't you get back to us when you've stepped out of your fantsy land.

I agree. That guy never makes any sense.

unccrombie

01-24-2005, 11:10 AM

Northern Colorado
Princeton
Mississippi St.
Memphis
Sienna
St. Bonaventure
Colgate
Oklahoma St. (loss)
Binghamtom
Drexel
Cornell
Rice
Albany
Hofstra
St. Johns
Seton Hall
Notre Dame
Providence
Georgetown
West Virginia
:lol only team they beat was a decent ND team

watchtower41

01-24-2005, 01:41 PM

quite the parade in here after that KU loss.....it's always fun to watch people celebrate other teams losing rather than caring about how good your own team is doing. The Univ of Missouri is offically off suicide watch.

I'm fine with it, its not Big XII play and we already proved who we can beat......without being at full strength. After so many close calls, I guess they deserved a real wake up. KU will drop to 3 or 4, again, the RPI doesnt lie kids, I think we can allow the Jayhawks to lose a game here and there with the toughest schedule in the country. Lets be honest here, true, Nova is not ranked, but they will be a tourney team.... and certianly not a pushover like Santa Clara. Self made a huge statement by benching all of his starters half way through the second half.....you won't see them dog around like that again.

seekupig

01-24-2005, 04:27 PM

mray10

01-24-2005, 04:29 PM

Arizona moves up to #11 just in time to face #10 Washington on Thursday night.

JimiThang1

01-24-2005, 04:41 PM

whew it could of been worst for us...

seekupig

01-24-2005, 04:47 PM

whew it could of been worst for us...

they're definately giving you the benefit of the doubt without Elder.

bdb23

01-24-2005, 04:53 PM

Damn. Tuesday night is gonna be HUGE.

seekupig

01-24-2005, 04:56 PM

Damn. Tuesday night is gonna be HUGE.

make it past that game and there's a legitimate shot at running the table (regular season at least). Iowa gave you a wake up call, but that's what i thought about the Nebraska game before 'Nova on Saturday. should be a good one...... good luck.

bdb23

01-24-2005, 04:57 PM

make it past that game and there's a legitimate shot at running the table (regular season at least). Iowa gave you a wake up call, but that's what i thought about the Nebraska game before 'Nova on Saturday. should be a good one...... good luck.
I know. It should be a hell of a game either way.

watchtower41

01-24-2005, 05:05 PM

looks like KU got punished by the voters after being punished by 'Nova. new AP poll....

1. Illinois
2. Duke
3. UNC
4. Syracuse
5. Wake Forest
6. Kansas
7. Kentucky
8. Boston College
9. Oklahoma St.
10. Washington

Georgia Tech remains ranked, at #22

even further proof that a team will not be penalized for a loss in the ACC.....and no, I'm not talking about the Yellow Jackets. Ive never seen a team drop so much for a game that they were expected to lose..... again, granted Villanova is not ranked....still, Vegas had the game as a pick 'em.....as long as they jack them right back up after KU tears apart Texas next week. Lunardi still has the Jayhawks where they belong.... a No. 1 seed. He also has a whopping 5 teams making the dance out of the ACC, compared to the Big East's 7. The polls have never been a bigger popularity contest with the flava of the moment.

gbs3769

01-24-2005, 05:12 PM

He also has a whopping 5 teams making the dance out of the ACC, compared to the Big East's 7. The polls have never been a bigger popularity contest with the flava of the moment.

That is because the Big East is the best conference in basketball. Always has been. Always will be.

- Matt

RMinor205

01-24-2005, 05:16 PM

what does that have to do with what i said? nothing? ok. Just because it was the best day in your history (not your avatars history) doesn't mean it was the worst day in mine. i have been through much worse losses than that one.

Sportsfan - "who's your favorite college team?"

RMinor205 - "how much time you got?"

Sportsfan - "it's a simple question man, what's your favorite college team, how long can it take?"

RMinor205 - "well it's kind of funny, and i know this probably won't make sense, but here goes..... In football i like Miami, not of Ohio, but THE University of Miami Hurricanes. In basketball i really love the 'Cuse, man. gotta pull for my Orangemen, wooo!

Sportsfan - "damn, you're all over the map, man.....how 'bout baseball and women's soccer?"

RMinor205 - "let me think for a second............................................ ........ got it! baseball? definately Texas! I know we got upset in the college world series last year, but we'll be back. Hook 'em Horns, yea baby! women's soccer? that's easy, GO TAR HEELS!!!!

Sportsfan - "later dude............... "

RMinor205 - "wait man, come back, i'm not done yet.........."

On the computer barkin' like your some big assasin.. i'll blow so much smoke up in the air i'll leave you gaspin'.. and u'll be cryin' all alone while I'm with my homies laughin...

JimiThang1

01-24-2005, 05:25 PM

they're definately giving you the benefit of the doubt without Elder.

Heck yea they are...

bustdstuff

01-24-2005, 05:30 PM

Those Illini better watch out for that Duke team behind you. Coach K's looking to even up another stat with Wooden. From ESPN.com:

"The last unanimous No. 1 team was Duke, which did it nine times in a 10-week span in 2001-02. The Blue Devils are now one spot from reaching No. 1 for an eighth straight season. That would be four behind UCLA's record that started in 1963-64."

Ga. Tech dropped out of all but one poll, as they should have after the last two weeks. Also good to see the Utes making a little noise. Tomorrow looks like it's gonna be fun.

seekupig

01-24-2005, 05:31 PM

That is because the Big East is the best conference in basketball. Always has been. Always will be.

- Matt

ACC is still the best. 3 teams in the top 5 in the nation, can't really argue with that.
after that, the Big Ten, Big East, SEC and Big 12 are all pretty even at the top.

bustdstuff

01-24-2005, 05:33 PM

On the computer barkin' like your some big assasin.. i'll blow so much smoke up in the air i'll leave you gaspin'.. and u'll be cryin' all alone while I'm with my homies laughin...

You've always got something so eloquent to say. :rolleyes

RMinor205

01-24-2005, 05:46 PM

everybody always has their own opinion, thats what makes this great.

seekupig

01-24-2005, 05:48 PM

everybody always has their own opinion, thats what makes this great.

:thumbsup

it wouldn't be any fun if we all liked the same team.

bdb23

01-24-2005, 05:53 PM

:thumbsup

it wouldn't be any fun if we all liked the same team.
Yep. And it wouldn't be any fun if you ever changed your sig. :lol

bustdstuff

01-24-2005, 05:57 PM

everybody always has their own opinion, thats what makes this great.

Except your opinions are completely biased and unfounded. You have fun with Rutgers. Oh wait are you still a Syracuse fan?

watchtower41

01-24-2005, 05:58 PM

ACC is still the best. 3 teams in the top 5 in the nation, can't really argue with that.
after that, the Big Ten, Big East, SEC and Big 12 are all pretty even at the top.

certianly cant argue with that....as of right now, thats the way the sportswriters want it, and they get the vote. The ACC wasnt supposed to be the best this season because of its "Elite teams" though.... this was supposed to be a threatning conference from top to bottom.... the way the season has shaped up so far, you see more teams from the ACC playing themselves out of contention. UVA, Florida St (even with their big win that didnt count for anything), NC State, Maryland, Ga Tech are all playing below where "experts" expected them to be at this point. When youre projected to get as many as 8 in, and as it now stands, the ACC will be lucky to get 5 in.....with Maryland having a below .500 conference record.

bdb23

01-24-2005, 06:00 PM

Coming up on 2,000, Steph.

bustdstuff

01-24-2005, 06:03 PM

Coming up on 2,000, Steph.

:bounce Woooooo Hoooooo.I almost forgot. So do I get to be an *official* ants whore then, or do I have to wait for 10,000? :p

seekupig

01-24-2005, 06:10 PM

Yep. And it wouldn't be any fun if you ever changed your sig. http://antsmarching.org/forum/images/smilies/lol.gif

damn, i'd forgotten about it. since you brought it to my attention, here's a temporary revision in your honor......http://antsmarching.org/forum/images/smilies/lol.gif

EDIT - it won't save my new sig. sorry, i'm trying

clayj41

01-24-2005, 06:14 PM

seekupig

01-24-2005, 06:17 PM

Except your opinions are completely biased and unfounded. You have fun with Rutgers. Oh wait are you still a Syracuse fan?

:lol

twosteppn36

01-24-2005, 07:07 PM

You have fun with Rutgers.

i know i will ;) :p

bustdstuff

01-24-2005, 07:17 PM

i know i will ;) :p

Yeah. I really wanted to rip on 'Cuse but I know that you wouldn't have deserved that, even though he does. ;)

Edit: Next one's 2,000. :bounce Well I'm off to the milestone thread. :monkey

seekupig

01-24-2005, 07:24 PM

Yeah. I really wanted to rip on 'Cuse but I know that you wouldn't have deserved that, even though he does. ;)

why, he's a Miami fan isn't he?

bustdstuff

01-24-2005, 07:28 PM

why, he's a Miami fan isn't he?

You would think so by his avatar. On second thought is that a guy or a girl? ;)

UNC41

01-24-2005, 07:51 PM

even further proof that a team will not be penalized for a loss in the ACC.....and no, I'm not talking about the Yellow Jackets. Ive never seen a team drop so much for a game that they were expected to lose..... again, granted Villanova is not ranked....still, Vegas had the game as a pick 'em.....as long as they jack them right back up after KU tears apart Texas next week. Lunardi still has the Jayhawks where they belong.... a No. 1 seed. He also has a whopping 5 teams making the dance out of the ACC, compared to the Big East's 7. The polls have never been a bigger popularity contest with the flava of the moment.

People didn't expect Kansas to lose against Nova. You never expect the second ranked, and undefeated, team in the nation to lose to an unranked team. They expected it to be a close game, but I didn't hear experts, nor Vegas favoring Nova.

gbs3769

01-24-2005, 08:33 PM

Just a note, Timmy Higgins is the worst referee ever.

- Matt

bustdstuff

01-24-2005, 08:49 PM

The Orange are down by 18 at the half.

gbs3769

01-24-2005, 08:56 PM

Yeah. It's at the RAC. The RAC is the most difficult place to play in the country. Yeah, even more difficult than Cameron.

- Matt

seekupig

01-24-2005, 09:14 PM

Yeah. It's at the RAC. The RAC is the most difficult place to play in the country. Yeah, even more difficult than Cameron.

- Matt

:lol :lol :lol :lol
you're kidding, right?

bustdstuff

01-24-2005, 09:15 PM

:lol :lol :lol :lol
you're kidding, right?

:thumbsup :thumbsup

gbs3769

01-24-2005, 09:18 PM

You've never been to the RAC. It's loud, all the time. It's small. The fans are close to the court. It's a more hostile atmosphere than Manley ever was.

- Matt

seekupig

01-24-2005, 09:23 PM

You've never been to the RAC. It's loud, all the time. It's small. The fans are close to the court. It's a more hostile atmosphere than Manley ever was.

- Matt

so now your having been to an arena makes it a tough place to play? i'm sure it's safe to assume that you've never been to Cameron or Allen Fieldhouse. they're both loud (and small) and they have the home records to prove it year in and year out. I know they're not in the Big East, but you should check it out sometime.......

bustdstuff

01-24-2005, 09:28 PM

gbs3769

01-24-2005, 09:35 PM

so now your having been to an arena makes it a tough place to play? i'm sure it's safe to assume that you've never been to Cameron or Allen Fieldhouse. they're both loud (and small) and they have the home records to prove it year in and year out. I know they're not in the Big East, but you should check it out sometime.......

Yeah, I've been to Allen Fieldhouse. I grew up in Nebraska and we saw a game back when I was in grade school. We had some friends who lived in Overland Park who went down to the game with us. It's a nice arena, but I really believe that the RAC is more difficult. You can chalk (rock chalk it if you really want to) it up to me either being young at the time, or having a Big East bias.

I've never been to Cameron, but I'm of the opinion that the ACC is overrated. So I don't think I'll be visiting it anytime soon. Unless of course they bring back the ACC Big East challenge and Syracuse or UConn plays there. Then perhaps I'll make it down to see a game there.

- Matt

bustdstuff

01-24-2005, 09:51 PM

I've never been to Cameron, but I'm of the opinion that the ACC is overrated. So I don't think I'll be visiting it anytime soon. Unless of course they bring back the ACC Big East challenge and Syracuse or UConn plays there. Then perhaps I'll make it down to see a game there.

- Matt

The ACC is overrated, so one of the premier programs in the country isn't worth seeing? That just doesn't seem logical.

gbs3769

01-24-2005, 10:00 PM

The ACC is overrated, so one of the premier programs in the country isn't worth seeing? That just doesn't seem logical.

I think the conference is overrated so I have no interest in seeing them play. In fact, after hearing Dick Vitale talk the ACC up for so many years it gets to the point where you don't want to hear about them, see them, or even think about them.

- Matt

twosteppn36

01-24-2005, 10:10 PM

and i just had a heart attack

twosteppn36

01-24-2005, 10:11 PM

:lol :lol :lol :lol
you're kidding, right?

hes not kidding...go there for a game, you'll know what hes talkin about

gbs3769

01-24-2005, 10:12 PM

All I could think of was the ghosts of Herve Lamazana.

- Matt

clayj41

01-24-2005, 10:26 PM

The ACC is overrated, so one of the premier programs in the country isn't worth seeing? That just doesn't seem logical.

Really, I hate Duke, but I'd still kill to see a game at Cameron.

gbs3769

01-24-2005, 10:31 PM

Really, I hate Duke, but I'd still kill to see a game at Cameron.

Probably the same way that I hate UConn but would love to see a game at Gampel.

But would you really want to see a game at the Carrier Dome?

- Matt

clayj41

01-24-2005, 10:35 PM

But would you really want to see a game at the Carrier Dome?

Hell yeah! College basketball in general is unbelievable and I would jump at a chance to see an intense game played in the Carrier Dome.

UNC41

01-24-2005, 10:44 PM

Yeah, I've been to Allen Fieldhouse. I grew up in Nebraska and we saw a game back when I was in grade school. We had some friends who lived in Overland Park who went down to the game with us. It's a nice arena, but I really believe that the RAC is more difficult. You can chalk (rock chalk it if you really want to) it up to me either being young at the time, or having a Big East bias.

I've never been to Cameron, but I'm of the opinion that the ACC is overrated. So I don't think I'll be visiting it anytime soon. Unless of course they bring back the ACC Big East challenge and Syracuse or UConn plays there. Then perhaps I'll make it down to see a game there.

- Matt

Then again at Allen Field house you are playing Kansas rather than Rutgers.