Preseason NCAA Basketball Poll is released

[dmbigeyedphish]

Oh yeah, I'm from North Carolina too, the state is full of bandwagon fans. :)

Funny thing is, it's easy to tell which ones are which!

[clayj41]

Completely understandable then.:) As a student at NCSU (We're gonna blow this year), I have to deal with people who didn't like UNC until they won a national championship..I also have to hear them talk shit to me, which is kind of ridiculous. I also find that a lot of homeless people wear UNC gear, which is weird. My brother went there so I've been around UNC fans forever, so I see where ya'll are coming from. I guess there are a few that ruin the bunch...kind of like dmb fans.:cool

I've tried to start many conversations with people I see wearing UNC clothing only to find that they don't really know much about the history of the program. Bandwagon jumpers I guess...I would compare these fans to many Yankees fans.

[clayj41]

Yeah, I don't like bandwagon fans either. That's interesting about homeless people wearing UNC gear... hopefully they're not former law students. :lol I'll be applying to law school there soon. It's tough to get in from out of state though.

I'm also gonna be applying to UNC Law School. I'm not really expecting to get in though.

[dmbigeyedphish]

I've tried to start many conversations with people I see wearing UNC clothing only to find that they don't really know much about the history of the program. Bandwagon jumpers I guess...I would compare these fans to many Yankees fans.

Yankees fans, Early 90's bulls fans, late 90s laker fans, People who started liking the Colts all of a sudden last year....Also, I've never seen so many Steeler fans in my state as I did last year. Hey, Everyone loves a winner! Funny thing is, most of those teams have amazing traditions (steelers, yanks...)

[SteelerMan]

Yankees fans, Early 90's bulls fans, late 90s laker fans, People who started liking the Colts all of a sudden last year....Also, I've never seen so many Steeler fans in my state as I did last year. Hey, Everyone loves a winner! Funny thing is, most of those teams have amazing traditions (steelers, yanks...)

Yeah, I was slightly embarassed when UNC and the Steelers both won championships within a ten month period. I'd been a fan of both for many years and had endured some pretty bad seasons, but me being a fan of both made me look like quite the bandwagon fan.

[haildmb]

Yankees fans, Early 90's bulls fans, late 90s laker fans, People who started liking the Colts all of a sudden last year....Also, I've never seen so many Steeler fans in my state as I did last year. Hey, Everyone loves a winner! Funny thing is, most of those teams have amazing traditions (steelers, yanks...)


Holy God did the steelers "fans" come out of the woodwork this past year or what! It's been horribly obnoxious. But they're pretty quiet these days :D

[SteelerMan]

Holy God did the steelers "fans" come out of the woodwork this past year or what! It's been horribly obnoxious. But they're pretty quiet these days :D

That's the one good thing about this season... it has separated the bandwagon fans from the true fans. :cool

[dmbigeyedphish]

Yeah, I was slightly embarassed when UNC and the Steelers both won championships within a ten month period. I'd been a fan of both for many years and had endured some pretty bad seasons, but me being a fan of both made me look like quite the bandwagon fan.

See? That goes along with a few ruining the whole bunch...you've been a fan for a long time but you look like a bandwagoner just because they won and everyone likes them all of a sudden. It's not fair to people who withstand terrible seasons (ala Panthers 1-15 season.:lorraine )

Holy God did the steelers "fans" come out of the woodwork this past year or what! It's been horribly obnoxious. But they're pretty quiet these days :D

I'd be driving down the road and see huge steeler flags or huge steeler decals...and I live right outside of Charlotte!

[clayj41]

Yankees fans, Early 90's bulls fans, late 90s laker fans, People who started liking the Colts all of a sudden last year....Also, I've never seen so many Steeler fans in my state as I did last year. Hey, Everyone loves a winner! Funny thing is, most of those teams have amazing traditions (steelers, yanks...)

:thumbsup I've also seen evidence of all these as well, especially with the Bulls and Colts since they're located in my geographical region. It's just the way it works I guess. I'm proud to say that with all of my teams, I've been a fan for quite some time with the exception of the NBA in which I've never had a favorite team. I guess if I had to pick a team I go with the Cavs because of LeBron or the Celtics since I was a fan as a kid due to Larry Bird being from my hometown. I tend to cheer for individual players when it comes to the NBA.:shrug

[haildmb]

That's the one good thing about this season... it has separated the bandwagon fans from the true fans. :cool


Yeah I saw the same fun dynamic when Duke went through their rough years in 95-96/97. All of a sudden I was one of the very few Duke fans at school... they've come back with a vengeance though haven't they? :rolleyes

[dmbigeyedphish]

:thumbsup I've also seen evidence of all these as well, especially with the Bulls and Colts since they're located in my geographical region. It's just the way it works I guess. I'm proud to say that with all of my teams, I've been a fan for quite some time with the exception of the NBA in which I've never had a favorite team. I guess if I had to pick a team I go with the Cavs because of LeBron or the Celtics since I was a fan as a kid due to Larry Bird being from my hometown. I tend to cheer for individual players when it comes to the NBA.:shrug

That's because the NBA is no longer a team sport.:mad

[haildmb]

damn, kansas is within 3...

[clayj41]

That's because the NBA is no longer a team sport.:mad

Yeah, I generally just cheer for former UNC players.:shrug

[haildmb]

go oral roberts haha

[clayj41]

So much for leapfrogging UNC if they beat Ohio St.:lol

[SmoothG]

Great to see Kansas lose...

[unccrombie]

nevermind kansas leapfrogging UF

[unccrombie]

anyone have more info on this: http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=2661335

[SteelerMan]

Yeah, I generally just cheer for former UNC players.:shrug

I'm going through a struggle at the moment as far as my favorite NBA team goes. I've been a Sixers fan since they drafted Stackhouse over ten years ago (and by association have been a HUGE Allen Iverson fan for a decade), but I'm drawn strongly to the Bobcats as of late, thanks mainly to Raymond Felton. However, I just can't bring myself to switch teams... I've been through too much with the Sixers to just change to another team now.

[rconverse]

Yeah, I was slightly embarassed when UNC and the Steelers both won championships within a ten month period. I'd been a fan of both for many years and had endured some pretty bad seasons, but me being a fan of both made me look like quite the bandwagon fan.

I always get razzed for my allegences to Duke basketball and Ohio State football. Thankfully I am a Cub fan, so people cut me some slack.

[SteelerMan]

I always get razzed for my allegences to Duke basketball and Ohio State football. Thankfully I am a Cub fan, so people cut me some slack.

Same with my allegiance to the Phillies and Sixers.

[UNC41]

anyone have more info on this: http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=2661335

Roy planned to have a talk with Graves on Sunday or Monday (I forget the day) about the possibility of redshirting. When Graves came in for the talk he actually suggested it before Roy and was game. When you think about it, it makes sense. There was no way he was sniffing minutes ahead of Terry, Green, Ellington and Ginyard.

[UNC41]

Thank God the Heels hung on and avoided the same fate as Kansas. I don't want to judge too much because I didn't watch and it was just one game early in the season (Santa Clara, holla), but it maybe losing Giles and Kaun may be more detrimental to their frontcourt depth than everyone thought. That could be huge in a couple weeks against Horford and Noah.

[seekupig]

:lol :lol

wow, just got home and saw that KU was upset by Bill Selfs former team, Oral Roberts. why am i laughing you ask? because they finally realized that it's better to lose a game in the first week of your season than the last. a few points about this loss......

1. better now than in the first round of the tournament.
2. maybe now the team realizes that just because the nation and voters think you're one of the best in the nation doesn't mean that the team you're playing against feels the same way.
3. hopefully this lights a fire under their asses and they go out and play like they're capable of and beat the hell out of Florida next weekend.
4. UNC lost to an unranked opponent in the first week of the season a couple years back and ended up with a National Title later that year. there's no shame in taking a bad loss as long as it makes you a better team down the road.


that's all for now......

[ousooner]

Way to represent. I thought you were supposed to carry the conference torch this year ;)

[seekupig]

Way to represent. I thought you were supposed to carry the conference torch this year ;)

we will. doesn't say much for the state of the conference does it? ;)

[UNC41]

On to my Heels assessment. Frustration, frustration, frustration. There is no way Winthrop should sniff anywhere near that against all of North Carolina's talent, and I don't think they would have if the Heels played anything that resembled perimeter defense in the first half. You've got to give Winthrop credit though, the had open threes and hit open threes. Onto individual players ...

Hansbrough - Best player in the nation and I don't even think it's really close

Wright - I loved most of what I saw out of him. That combination of size and athleticism is downright scary; that block, the oop, the crossover from top of the key. Sick, sick, sick. He's the perfect complement to Hansbrough inside.

Terry - By far the most disappointing player of the night. He seemed way too passive at times and when he wasn't that he was trying to force things to happen. He needs to play better.

Ellington - He doesn't stand out as doing anything great, but I loved what I saw. Looks to be able to score effectively anywhere from 23 feet on in and has a very smooth offensive game.

Frasor - I honestly don't remember much about his play tonight. I don't remember him wowing me, but I don't remember him making mistakes either. Pretty much what I remember from last year.

Lawson - While he was erratic at times, played to fast at times also and turned the ball over in the first half, I love what they are capable of him on the floor. He'll be starting by the beginning of the ACC season and the best point guard in the conference come March.

Ginyard - Was not impressed offensively tonight as he was very inconsistent. However, he was the one player whose perimeter defense impressed me tonight. If the team can't improve in that aspect, he could very well end up starting.

Green - Quiet game. Didn't play much and didn't show much.

Miller - Jumper was off, but I always love the hustle he brings out there.

Thompson - I was pleasantly surprised. He showed off a couple of nice moves midway through the first half. He's still raw, but I'm very comfortable with him being the fourth guy at the 4 or 5.

[justinandimcool]

Go BYU! Down by 3 with 10 minutes to go against UCLA.

[bubba40]

Hansbrough - Best player in the nation and I don't even think it's really close

This is true :thumbsup .

My Hoyas looked great tonight, both Green and Hibbert played well.

[justinandimcool]

UCLA pulled away. ::sigh::

[SmoothG]

Chase Budinger doesn't get as much hype as some of the other freshman, but he is going to be a star! A little better defense and he could be an all american.

[RJ2kWJ]

Im no bandwagon fan as many have seen...

NOLES! SKINS! DUKE!

Yea... 2 ACC teams but most everyone on here knows why...

No BW fan here.... WOOOOOOOOOOOOO yea im drunk and bowden was just forced to resign yesterday...

YES SIR!!!!! :bounce

[clayj41]

I'm going through a struggle at the moment as far as my favorite NBA team goes. I've been a Sixers fan since they drafted Stackhouse over ten years ago (and by association have been a HUGE Allen Iverson fan for a decade), but I'm drawn strongly to the Bobcats as of late, thanks mainly to Raymond Felton. However, I just can't bring myself to switch teams... I've been through too much with the Sixers to just change to another team now.

I'm the same way. I've been a Sixers fan for awhile and I still love Iverson but I've leaned toward rooting for the Bobcats with Felton and May, not to mention Morrison. Plus, Jamison has always been my all-time favorite Tar Heel so I cheer for the Wizards too. On a side note, Hansbrough is quickly catching Jamison as far as my favorite Heels player goes.

[SmoothG]

#3 Kansas and #10 Arizona have already lost. Who do you guys think will be the last team to lose a game?? And how many before they get there? Obviously its a crapshoot...

[Third Floor]

and bowden was just forced to resign yesterday...

YES SIR!!!!! :bounce

glad we could help.

[SteelerMan]

I'm the same way. I've been a Sixers fan for awhile and I still love Iverson but I've leaned toward rooting for the Bobcats with Felton and May, not to mention Morrison. Plus, Jamison has always been my all-time favorite Tar Heel so I cheer for the Wizards too. On a side note, Hansbrough is quickly catching Jamison as far as my favorite Heels player goes.

Wow... strange to find another Sixers/UNC fan (is it because of Stackhouse?). My favorites would have to be Ed Cota and Raymond Felton. Jamison was born in my city, which I thought was pretty cool. I'm with you though... Psycho T is quickly becoming one of my all-time favorites.

[RJ2kWJ]

glad we could help.

You all definitely did and we thank you for that. :thumbsup

Been waiting for this moment the past 5 years... It has finally come.

[rconverse]

I'm the same way. I've been a Sixers fan for awhile and I still love Iverson but I've leaned toward rooting for the Bobcats with Felton and May, not to mention Morrison. Plus, Jamison has always been my all-time favorite Tar Heel so I cheer for the Wizards too. On a side note, Hansbrough is quickly catching Jamison as far as my favorite Heels player goes.

That mother fucker sure is good. I still hate him though. As a Duke fan, I have to.

[UNC41]

Wow... strange to find another Sixers/UNC fan (is it because of Stackhouse?). My favorites would have to be Ed Cota and Raymond Felton. Jamison was born in my city, which I thought was pretty cool. I'm with you though... Psycho T is quickly becoming one of my all-time favorites.

Yes. Those are my exact two favorite players. Hansbrough is climbing my list also, and if we get three or more years out of Lawson I have a good feeling Felton and Cota could have company.

[clayj41]

Wow... strange to find another Sixers/UNC fan (is it because of Stackhouse?). My favorites would have to be Ed Cota and Raymond Felton. Jamison was born in my city, which I thought was pretty cool. I'm with you though... Psycho T is quickly becoming one of my all-time favorites.

Yeah, Stackhouse was part of it, and once Iverson showed up that sealed the deal. Jamison has always been my favorite player though. I love Cota and Felton too, along with May since he's from Indiana. Here's my top 5 as far as players I've seen play goes...

1. Antawn Jamison
2. Tyler Hansbrough
3. Raymond Felton
4. Joseph Forte
5. Ed Cota

Honorable Mention: Jerry Stackhouse, Sean May, Shammond Williams

[SteelerMan]

Yeah, Stackhouse was part of it, and once Iverson showed up that sealed the deal. Jamison has always been my favorite player though. I love Cota and Felton too, along with May since he's from Indiana. Here's my top 5 as far as players I've seen play goes...

1. Antawn Jamison
2. Tyler Hansbrough
3. Raymond Felton
4. Joseph Forte
5. Ed Cota

Honorable Mention: Jerry Stackhouse, Sean May, Shammond Williams

Hey, where's the love for Kris Lang? :lol

[rconverse]

Hey, where's the love for Antonio Lang? :lol

Fixed. ;)

[clayj41]

Hey, where's the love for Kris Lang? :lol

Most Hated Tar Heel EVER!!!!!:BANG

He's like a retarded version of Hansbrough.:lol

[seekupig]

my favorite Tar Heel ever is Dante Calabria.

[seekupig]

Most Hated Tar Heel EVER!!!!!:BANG

He's like a retarded version of Hansbrough.:lol

no, that would be Serge Zwicker.

[UNC41]

Yeah, Stackhouse was part of it, and once Iverson showed up that sealed the deal. Jamison has always been my favorite player though. I love Cota and Felton too, along with May since he's from Indiana. Here's my top 5 as far as players I've seen play goes...

1. Antawn Jamison
2. Tyler Hansbrough
3. Raymond Felton
4. Joseph Forte
5. Ed Cota

Honorable Mention: Jerry Stackhouse, Sean May, Shammond Williams

My turn ...

1a. Raymond Felton
1b. Ed Cota
3. Tyler Hansbrough
4. Antawn Jamison
5. David Noel

Honorable Mention: Sean May, Julius Peppers, Jerry Stackhouse, Jackie Manuel

[clayj41]

no, that would be Serge Zwicker.

Yeah, he was worthless but the team didn't go 8-20 when he played. As for Calabria, I faintly remember him as he was a senior the year I really became a Heels fan (I was 10). I remember that he was a pretty good shooter.

[UNC41]

no, that would be Serge Zwicker.

Montross?

[clayj41]

My turn ...

1a. Raymond Felton
1b. Ed Cota
3. Tyler Hansbrough
4. Antawn Jamison
5. David Noel

Honorable Mention: Sean May, Julius Peppers, Jerry Stackhouse, Jackie Manuel

I didn't even think about Noel. He wasn't the most talented player, but he hustled and had great athletic ability. I didn't include Peppers since he only played 2 years and was more of a force in football. That would be like including Ronald Curry (who's jersey I have since it was released that year, the year of the dreaded NC emblem on the chest).

We do share 4 of the same top 5 though.

[clayj41]

Montross?

*insert any large, white goofy Tar Heel here*....besides Hansbrough of course.:p

[UNC41]

I didn't even think about Noel. He wasn't the most talented player, but he hustled and had great athletic ability. I didn't include Peppers since he only played 2 years and was more of a force in football. That would be like including Ronald Curry (who's jersey I have since it was released that year, the year of the dreaded NC emblem on the chest).

We do share 4 of the same top 5 though.

You're right, Noel wasn't the most talented player, but he hustled so hard and just had that will to win. That's what made him a special player. I also love that he was something like one of the top 10 receivers in the nation his senior year, but walked on at Carolina to play basketball because it was his dream growing up. You can't beat that kind of love for the program.

As for J-Pep. He definitely was more of a force in football and did only play two years, but he's still up there for me just because I've never seen a 6'6'' big man throw around people in the paint the way he used to.

[clayj41]

As for J-Pep. He definitely was more of a force in football and did only play two years, but he's still up there for me just because I've never seen a 6'6'' big man throw around people in the paint the way he used to.

Yeah, he was a beast underneath.

[CrashDMB237]

Check out sacredheartspectrum.com for some of the pics I took at the game Tuesday night. The front page has Tyler with a guy that has a sign above him that says "This is Tyler's House". It doesn't look great there, I'll post the originals this weekend. Some others will go up too.

[UNC41]

Check out sacredheartspectrum.com for some of the pics I took at the game Tuesday night. The front page has Tyler with a guy that has a sign above him that says "This is Tyler's House". It doesn't look great there, I'll post the originals this weekend. Some others will go up too.

You have no idea how envious I am of you. While covering the Frozen Four last year was awesome as Sports Editor of my paper, I'd trade that in a minute to watch the Heels play.

[clayj41]

It's my dream to attend a game at the Dean Dome. I got to see UNC play the year they won the championship here at Assembly Hall during the Big Ten/ACC Challenge, but I really want to catch a game at Chapel Hill.

[UNC41]

It's my dream to attend a game at the Dean Dome. I got to see UNC play the year they won the championship here at Assembly Hall during the Big Ten/ACC Challenge, but I really want to catch a game at Chapel Hill.

I hope to get to one next season. I'll have a real job and some disposable income by then and one of my good friend's brothers is going to grad school down there. He said he can hook me up with a ticket for a game.

[UNC41]

Chase Budinger doesn't get as much hype as some of the other freshman, but he is going to be a star! A little better defense and he could be an all american.

I really want to see him play. From what I remember from the McDonald's game and what I've heard about Budinger is he's got an offensive game similar to Adam Morrison with much better defense and rebounding. He was also the No. 1 men's volleyball recruit in the nation, right?

College Basketball >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Volleyball

[rconverse]

This is a pure Tarheel circlejerk! :lol

It is going to be a long year for Duke. I can just feel it. Remind me to stay away from the boards when the two teams meet. Anyone else remember my post before the second meeting last year? I thinked I jinxed Duke. :BANG

[UNC41]

This is a pure Tarheel circlejerk! :lol

It is going to be a long year for Duke. I can just feel it. Remind me to stay away from the boards when the two teams meet. Anyone else remember my post before the second meeting last year? I thinked I jinxed Duke. :BANG

Post above yours is straight Zona baby! I'll talk whatever, but will bring Heels up when it's relevant and if people are talking about UNC I'm game.

What's your thought on Paulus? I think he's sooooo overrated.

Lawson > Frasor > Scheyer > Paulus

[seekupig]

but I really want to catch a game at Chapel Hill.

it's to big and lacks any real atmoshphere. it can get loud at times, but it has more of a pro feel to it than a college one. it's still a cool place to catch a game, but it ranks nowhere near the top as far as college basketball venues go.....

[rconverse]

Post above yours is straight Zona baby! I'll talk whatever, but will bring Heels up when it's relevant and if people are talking about UNC I'm game.

What's your thought on Paulus? I think he's sooooo overrated.

Lawson > Frasor > Scheyer > Paulus

I was talking about the plethora of UNC avatars and being sarcastic, not rude by any means. All my friends are either Duke haters or die hard Carolina fans, so I can take a lot of crap in regards to CBB.

I am curious to see if Paulus will reach his potential. He is a pretty good point gaurd, but not great by any stretch. If he doesn't start knocking down some open shots, he will really start to look bad because in a half court set, he isn't going to be blowing by anyone. Unfortunately I have not been able to get a good look at Duke thus far this year, so can't say too much so far. We'll see how he progresses this year. I guess I wouldn't consider him overrated only because I don't hear him being talked about as all that great or anything, like Hansbrough (sp) who everyone is talking about AND is living up to it.

[unccrombie]

I was talking about the plethora of UNC avatars and being sarcastic, not rude by any means. All my friends are either Duke haters or die hard Carolina fans, so I can take a lot of crap in regards to CBB.

I am curious to see if Paulus will reach his potential. He is a pretty good point gaurd, but not great by any stretch. If he doesn't start knocking down some open shots, he will really start to look bad because in a half court set, he isn't going to be blowing by anyone. Unfortunately I have not been able to get a good look at Duke thus far this year, so can't say too much so far. We'll see how he progresses this year. I guess I wouldn't consider him overrated only because I don't hear him being talked about as all that great or anything, like Hansbrough (sp) who everyone is talking about AND is living up to it.
GP's ankle never healed from HS. so we'll see how this year goes. im rootin for him

[CrashDMB237]

You have no idea how envious I am of you. While covering the Frozen Four last year was awesome as Sports Editor of my paper, I'd trade that in a minute to watch the Heels play.

It truly was an amazing experience. I couldn't think of a better way to kickstart my journalism career. I'm a director at the local news station here in CT so that was cool, but my trip to Charlotte totally trumped that.

[UNC41]

It truly was an amazing experience. I couldn't think of a better way to kickstart my journalism career. I'm a director at the local news station here in CT so that was cool, but my trip to Charlotte totally trumped that.

Yeah, it's tough to beat watching one of the best teams in the nation play to start your journalism career. I'm headed out of town this afternoon, but will probably hit you up with a PM sometime after I get back for a little journalism nerd talk.

[SteelerMan]

He's like a retarded version of Hansbrough.:lol

That's what I've always thought too. I don't blame him too much for that 8-20 season though... if Joseph Forte had stuck around like he should've, they would've been decent.

[CrashDMB237]

Yeah, it's tough to beat watching one of the best teams in the nation play to start your journalism career. I'm headed out of town this afternoon, but will probably hit you up with a PM sometime after I get back for a little journalism nerd talk.

Sounds like a plan. I've covered plenty of sporting events for the school but just the atmosphere that comes with a big college team (any school, not just UNC) is unbeatable.

[clayj41]

That's what I've always thought too. I don't blame him too much for that 8-20 season though... if Joseph Forte had stuck around like he should've, they would've been decent.

Yeah, with Forte they would've at least been competitive.

[justinandimcool]

What a finish in the MSU/Texas game. Sick move.

[mizzoudmbfan]

So much for the XII getting any respect on the hardwood this season.

[ousooner]

So much for the XII getting any respect on the hardwood this season.
Hey, we're 2-0

We got Memphis Monday night.

[chiznaz]

So much for the XII getting any respect on the hardwood this season.

A&M still has UCLA and LSU in their non-conference lineup. All within 3 days too(I think). Aggies are going to dominate this year.

[seekupig]

Aggies are going to dominate this year.

dominate what?

[unccrombie]

state just got screwed

[chiznaz]

dominate what?

should I start with the Jayhawks??:eek ;)

A&M blew out another cupcake tonight(as they should have). The only thing that worries me is the team staying healthy. J Jones has some chronic knee problems he has always played through. I hope it doesn't catch up to him. December is when our season really starts.

Texas almost dropped another to St. Johns. :shrug

[seekupig]

should I start with the Jayhawks??:eek ;)

finish better than third in the conference then get back to me...... :) ;)


as KU has proven many years since you were born, potential doesn't win games or titles. having a good coach and good players doesn't always equal success....

[chiznaz]

finish better than third in the conference then get back to me...... :) ;)


well if we are talking about last year, how about the 2nd round of the NCAA?

oops:lorraine

im just messin with you.

[seekupig]

well if we are talking about last year, how about the 2nd round of the NCAA?

oops:lorraine

im just messin with you.

if making the second round of the NCAA's is your claim to fame, then our conversation is over....

oops:lorraine

i'm just messin' with you.

[chiznaz]

as KU has proven many years since you were born, potential doesn't win games or titles. having a good coach and good players doesn't always equal success....

I guess I missed this one. Would you say that the teams that have won the championship every year since, like, um... the beginning of basketball relied on luck? Luck may advance you into the next round, but skill and good coaching will get you a trophy every time. So yes, good players AND good coaching will bring you success. Kansas has proven this many years since I've been born. Maybe that's what you were trying to say when you said it doesn't "always bring you success."

if making the second round of the NCAA's is your claim to fame, then our conversation is over....

oops:lorraine

i'm just messin' with you.

I thought we were talking about last year... I mean you started to talk about our standing in the BigXII last year as oppose to talking about this years teams. I guess we could sit back and live the glory years, but I for one can tell you that never works (i.e. see A&M football).
:cool

[seekupig]

I thought we were talking about last year... I mean you started to talk about our standing in the BigXII last year as oppose to talking about this years teams.

if you want to talk about last year, i guess we can mention that KU won more Big XII regular season and tournament championships last year than A&M has in it's history. :D

[chiznaz]

if you want to talk about last year, i guess we can mention that KU won more Big XII regular season and tournament championships last year than A&M has in it's history. :D

i guess that gave yall all the confidence yall needed against bradley too.

You were the one who brought up last year. I would be more interested in talking about how we match up this year, but if your idea of talking basketball is reflecting on how you were so great in conference play and underachieved in the tourny, then go for it.

[CrashDMB237]

http://www.picturetrail.com/gallery/view?p=999&gid=13801311&uid=3767938

Those aren't even half the pics, but some of my favorites. I have some great shots of the national anthem with Roy Williams looking up at the flag with the flag in the background. I love the "This is Tyler's House" picture. My advisors want my to enter it in a statewide sports photo contest. They said I'd win for sure.

[UNLTrpt]

big win by Nebraska today vs. Creighton 73-61.

2-0 on the year.

[DMBfan41]

Yay for FDU!!

We won our first game of the season and against Seton Hall, first time we beat them since 1968 and our first win over the Big East since 1984.

[RJ2kWJ]

Crazy... ODU beat G-Town last night.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/recap?gameId=263230046

[SteelerMan]

Good job Georgetown.

[SteelerMan]

Crazy... ODU beat G-Town last night.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/recap?gameId=263230046

Wow, that was creepy. Look at the times of our posts...

[UNC41]

Carolina finally got the kind of nonconference win I've been hoping for yesterday. I can't wait to see their first legitimate test tomorrow in Gonzaga.

[UNLTrpt]

OMG OMG OMG

Nebraska got a vote in the AP poll

WOOOHOOO

I'm so happy I think I'm gonna cry.

[mizzoudmbfan]

Hey, we're 2-0

We got Memphis Monday night.

Well that worked out great for you guys...

[snow1868]

Not to flame the OU program, but they're going to have a rough year. Capel has nothing to work with this year. Looks like the "wait 'til next year" attitude is going to come out of Norman, which is something OSU fans know all about.

[rconverse]

Not to flame the OU program, but they're going to have a rough year. Capel has nothing to work with this year. Looks like the "wait 'til next year" attitude is going to come out of Norman, which is something OSU fans know all about.

I will root for a Jeff Capel coached squad. He was one of my favorite Dukies back in the day.

[snow1868]

More power to you man. I always root for ORU because of Scott Sutton. Any Sutton coached team, is a winner in my book.

[UNC41]

Not to flame the OU program, but they're going to have a rough year. Capel has nothing to work with this year. Looks like the "wait 'til next year" attitude is going to come out of Norman, which is something OSU fans know all about.

Be thankful Jameson OnCurry was a drug dealer in high school.

[UNC41]

Georgia Tech has a couple of scary good freshmen who could do big things in the ACC this year.

[snow1868]

Be thankful Jameson OnCurry was a drug dealer in high school.

No kidding, right? That's the thing that I'll always love about Eddie Sutton, he would give those that stumbled a second chance. Although, Roy seems to have done just fine since letting JamesOn find his way to Stillwater.

[UNC41]

No kidding, right? That's the thing that I'll always love about Eddie Sutton, he would give those that stumbled a second chance. Although, Roy seems to have done just fine since letting JamesOn find his way to Stillwater.

Yeah, the Heels are fine without JamesOn. He is a great talent though.

[UNC41]

Anyone interested in the Top 25 poll for this week, have your polls PMed to me by 10:00 pm central tonight.

[seekupig]

Yeah, the Heels are fine without JamesOn. He is a great talent though.

i saw him play a few times in high school. he was a beast.....

[seekupig]

all of the rankings from this week, including the laughable RPI which has Florida ranked as the #23 team in the nation, UNC #8, and Kansas #32. :lol

AP Poll, ESPN, and CBS are on here as well.....

http://www.sportsline.com/collegebasketball/polls

[twosteppn36]

all of the rankings from this week, including the laughable RPI which has Florida ranked as the #23 team in the nation, UNC #8, and Kansas #32. :lol

AP Poll, ESPN, and CBS are on here as well.....

http://www.sportsline.com/collegebasketball/polls

:confused that rpi is from april 2006

[seekupig]

:confused that rpi is from april 2006

nice catch, guess they haven't done one yet this year. usually all of those polls are current....

[UNC41]

Week 2 Ants College Basketball Poll

1. Florida (2)
2. North Carolina
3. UCLA
4.(tie) Wisconsin
Pittsburgh
LSU
7. Ohio State
8. Kansas
9. Alabama
10. Texas A&M
11.(tie) Duke
Georgetown
13. Marquette
14.(tie) Memphis
Georgia Tech
16. Washington
17. Arizona
18. Nevada
19. Syracuse
20. Tennessee
21. Maryland
22. Gonzaga
23. Boston College
24. Wichita State
25. Texas

Participating members: UNC41, seekupig

[UNC41]

I'm jumping on the Marquette bandwagon right now, while they are down one to Duke. James is fantastic to watch at point guard and McNeil is absolutely relentless. They might be the best backcourt in the nation .

[seekupig]

I'm jumping on the Marquette bandwagon right now, while they are down one to Duke. James is fantastic to watch at point guard and McNeil is absolutely relentless. They might be the best backcourt in the nation .

:thumbsup i've been very impressed as well. good backcourts can be VERY dangerous come tournament time.....

not a team you want to see in your region.

[UNLTrpt]

:confused that rpi is from april 2006

you're gay.

[seekupig]

damn, Marquette looks good.

and anyone that thought McRoberts was better than Hansboro can quiet down now.....

[UNC41]

damn, Marquette looks good.

and anyone that thought McRoberts was better than Hansboro can quiet down now.....

:thumbsup

McRoberts belongs nowhere near an All-American team. He is just an awful finisher.

[justinandimcool]

lolz. Duke loses. Who's got Marquette winning the Big East? I think from now on, I do.

[Lee3691]

As much as I like Farmar, being that he is a Jewish baller from the valley (and played at my high school before he transferred to Taft), I think Collinson will be a better pg for UCLA because he is much better defensively.


As much as I like to respect opinions, if you truly believe this you know absolutely nothing about college basketball.
Just wanted to bring this up....

[rconverse]

:thumbsup

McRoberts belongs nowhere near an All-American team. He is just an awful finisher.

I agree. McRoberts is not all that great. Duke has no one that can really create points or score. That was evident last year and it looks like no one is stepping up this year.

[UNC41]

Just wanted to bring this up....

It'll take more than eight minutes of watching him to convince me. Also, it wasn't his defense that was most impressive of his PG skills. With Farmar's leadership I don't know that an average Kentucky team would have come back, but I was watching a better game so I may be wrong there.

[UNC41]

I agree. McRoberts is not all that great. Duke has no one that can really create points or score. That was evident last year and it looks like no one is stepping up this year.

DeMarcus Nelson looked great for the first 10 minutes of the game. He's got to play aggressively at all times and may be able to step up as that creator you're looking for.

[Lee3691]

It'll take more than eight minutes of watching him to convince me. Also, it wasn't his defense that was most impressive of his PG skills. With Farmar's leadership I don't know that an average Kentucky team would have come back, but I was watching a better game so I may be wrong there.
Just wanted to remind that when accuse someone of knowing "nothing about college basketball", those type of words might come back to haunt you. 13.7 ppg, 8apg and 3spg are not a bad way to start the season (only 3 games granted)- Farmer was, and is a good player, but Collinson is a better pg for UCLA, and, as I said, what hurts UCLA is that they do not have a second ball handler.

[UNC41]

Just wanted to remind that when accuse someone of knowing "nothing about college basketball", those type of words might come back to haunt you. 13.7 ppg, 8apg and 3spg are not a bad way to start the season (only 3 games granted)- Farmer was, and is a good player, but Collinson is a better pg for UCLA, and, as I said, what hurts UCLA is that they do not have a second ball handler.

I agree, but to be fair, you did cite his defensive ability as the reason he's a better fit than Farmar. I get the impression that if that holds to be true, it'll be because of his playmaking ability. Collison's quickness allows him to get in the lane with ease, which benefits the whole teams. It gives Afflalo space to operate in the wing, Shipp open three-point attempts and easy buckets for Mbah a Moute and Mata.

[Lee3691]

I agree, but to be fair, you did cite his defensive ability as the reason he's a better fit than Farmar. I get the impression that if that holds to be true, it'll be because of his playmaking ability. Collison's quickness allows him to get in the lane with ease, which benefits the whole teams. It gives Afflalo space to operate in the wing, Shipp open three-point attempts and easy buckets for Mbah a Moute and Mata.

Playmaking, running the break and defense. UCLA this year is going to be in the thick of this - Afflalo is only the 3rd best player on the team.

[SteelerMan]

Wow, Gonzaga is scary good. Of course, it helps that UNC is playing ZERO defense and Psycho T is having the worst game of his career. Maybe they can mount a comeback.

[SmoothG]

Gonzaga beats North Carolina 82-74. Didn't see the game...anyone who watched have any insight?

My Arizona Wildcats beat lowly Samford. In the next two, weeks we have some big games coming up. And North Carolina coming to Tucson in January. Should be one of the best games of the year!

[SteelerMan]

Gonzaga beats North Carolina 82-74. Didn't see the game...anyone who watched have any insight?

My Arizona Wildcats beat lowly Samford. In the next two, weeks we have some big games coming up. And North Carolina coming to Tucson in January. Should be one of the best games of the year!

Gonzaga got hot, UNC still has no chemistry, Hansbrough had a horrible game.

[HolyCow]

No kidding, right? That's the thing that I'll always love about Eddie Sutton, he would give those that stumbled a second chance. Although, Roy seems to have done just fine since letting JamesOn find his way to Stillwater.
:lol :lol :lol


And OU is going to really improve as the year goes along. I've got us going 15-14 or something close to that, but I think we can be competitive in the Big XII. Maybe finish 5th or 6th.

[unccrombie]

Gonzaga got hot, UNC still has no chemistry, Hansbrough had a horrible game.
roy whipped them in shape for tenn though. they looked much better. let's go kansas

[SteelerMan]

UNC looked 100% better on offense today. They're actually starting to play as a team, which is great. The next thing they really need to work on is their perimeter defense. If they had been defending the three better today, that game would've been ugly. And apparently Bruce Pearl sent Tennessee to the Vlade Divac School of Flopping.

[seekupig]

let's go kansas

:thumbsup

Rock, Chalk....

[unccrombie]

:thumbsup

Rock, Chalk....
someone's gotta drop fla...

[SteelerMan]

Just realized I have to wait until 10 PM for Kansas-Florida.

[UNC41]

The past two games have reaffirmed my belief that the fate of UNC lies with Lawson. He looked horrid against Gonzaga, and the Heels struggled completely offensively. Yesterday he looked sooooo much better and they rolled. The first half especially was damn impressive. When Lawson is playing well he penetrates almost at will and creates easy baskets for himself and open looks for teammates.

The one player who really impressed me at MSG is Brandan Wright. I think there's a very real possibility come the middle of the conference season we could easily be saying Hansbrough/Wright > Horford/Noah.

[UNC41]

Arthur has been the only impressive player in this game so far. Humphrey is the only reason Florida is in this game. He's hit a couple of shots at big times so I guess you can throw him in that category. Green played a nice half and Rush looked very good at times. I still don't see how Noah might have been the first pick in the last NBA Draft.

[justinandimcool]

Just turned the game on. So has this Arthur guy been owning Noah? That's what it seems like.

[UNC41]

Noah, Noah, I don't get. Yes, he's very good, but I just don't see him as one of the best in the nation. Horford had 3 and that over the back foul was just horrible to take in that situation. Brewer needs to be more aggressive.

[justinandimcool]

Yeah, another Noah turnover.

[justinandimcool]

They are getting looks though, can't sink em. Disappointing.

[justinandimcool]

:lol fucking technical difficulties, that sucked. And what a strip.

[justinandimcool]

Jesus, that was bad. But awesome.

[SteelerMan]

Could Kansas have screwed up the end of regulation any worse?

[justinandimcool]

Florida could've made that 3.

[SteelerMan]

Florida could've made that 3.

True... but Kansas gave them a wide open look.

[SteelerMan]

That offensive foul on Chalmers was garbage.

[justinandimcool]

Could that shot selection have been any worse?

[justinandimcool]

If you had paused that ball in midair, I would've bet $100 it was going in. Heartbreak. They deserved to lose though. That airball with 9 seconds was a terrible shot. Not that Kansas' defense wasn't bad as well, but still. Entertaining game.

[UNC41]

Kansas tried to give that game away at the end of regulation. Wright played and insane first half and Arthur played like a fifth year senior year at the end of the game. Green was stellar throughout and Humphrey was HUGE late after hitting a couple of momentum-stopping threes in the first half. Rush took a dump for the second half until he made some clutch baskets in overtime.

[seekupig]

:D

my heart still works.....



Rock, Chalk, Jayhawk.

[darbini]

That was a great game between UF and KU, it lived up to it's hype. Go Gators!!! Too bad we lost, but at least it was to a pretty good team, I still think we'll be #1 though. Then again who really cares about rankings? Gators could've played better, but they'll get there.

[SteelerMan]

That was a great game between UF and KU, it lived up to it's hype. Go Gators!!! Too bad we lost, but at least it was to a pretty good team, I still think we'll be #1 though. Then again who really cares about rankings? Gators could've played better, but they'll get there.

Yeah, the rankings are pretty meaningless at this point, but Florida won't be #1. Pittsburgh probably becomes #1 in the AP, with Ohio State going to #1 in the ESPN/USA Today Poll. I don't think either are as good as Florida or Kansas right now though.

[seekupig]

I still think we'll be #1 though.

probably not....

[seekupig]

new polls are out.....

AP Poll....

1. UCLA
2. Pittsburgh
3. Ohio St.
4. Florida
5. Kansas
6. Alabama
7. North Carolina
8. Marquette
9. Texas A&M
10. LSU

ESPN/USA Today Poll....

1. Ohio State
2. UCLA
3. Pittsburgh
4. Florida
5. Kansas
6. North Carolina
7. Alabama
8. Texas A&M
9. Marquette
10. Duke

http://www.sportsline.com/collegebasketball/polls

[snow1868]

new polls are out.....

AP Poll....

1. UCLA
2. Pittsburgh
3. Ohio St.
4. Florida
5. Kansas
6. Alabama
7. North Carolina
8. Marquette
9. Texas A&M
10. LSU

ESPN/USA Today Poll....

1. Ohio State
2. UCLA
3. Pittsburgh
4. Florida
5. Kansas
6. North Carolina
7. Alabama
8. Texas A&M
9. Marquette
10. Duke

http://www.sportsline.com/collegebasketball/polls

And still no 7-0 Pokes. But that is fine by me, we've got some tough games coming up in the next two weeks. Should be some fun.

[HolyCow]

And still no 7-0 Pokes. But that is fine by me, we've got some tough games coming up in the next two weeks. Should be some fun.
Well, the Pokes haven't exactly been that impressive in all of those 7 wins.

[snow1868]

Well, the Pokes haven't exactly been that impressive in all of those 7 wins.

True, but they are winning the close games they couldn't last year. And, winning ugly is still winning. It's nice that the voters are ranking us 28 and 30, but I'd rather not be ranked going into conference or get ranked too high and then take the plunge. Seen too many seasons where this happens for the Pokes.

[Third Floor]

wake forest 1 vote.

were on the way. get ready.

[HolyCow]

True, but they are winning the close games they couldn't last year. And, winning ugly is still winning. It's nice that the voters are ranking us 28 and 30, but I'd rather not be ranked going into conference or get ranked too high and then take the plunge. Seen too many seasons where this happens for the Pokes.

:thumbsup Amen.

[budgrove]

shhhhh....no one talk about pitt, they should be #1 right now and are going to cause a lot of teams some trouble come march!!!

[seekupig]

shhhhh....no one talk about pitt

no problem.

[UNC41]

shhhhh....no one talk about pitt, they should be #1 right now and are going to cause a lot of teams some trouble come march!!!

Because they've played no one? Running off impressive at the beginning of the season against average and shit teams and then falling short of the hype has been a trend for Pitt the past couple years. After beating Georgia Tech and Kentucky, UCLA deserves to be No. 1. Right now, I'd slot Pitt in at No. 6 behind three one-loss teams.

[seekupig]

Because they've played no one? Running off impressive at the beginning of the season against average and shit teams and then falling short of the hype has been a trend for Pitt the past couple years. After beating Georgia Tech and Kentucky, UCLA deserves to be No. 1. Right now, I'd slot Pitt in at No. 6 behind three one-loss teams.

what time do you need the poll PM'd to you by tomorrow? should be pretty interesting if a few more people jump in this week....

[UNC41]

I'm going to the late Casino Royale tomorrow night, and I'll be compiling the poll after that. Let's make the deadline 11:00 pm central. I hope we get some more contributers this week.

[HolyCow]

I'm going to the late Casino Royale tomorrow night, and I'll be compiling the poll after that. Let's make the deadline 11:00 pm central. I hope we get some more contributers this week.

I'm in this week.

And I can't wait for UNC v. Ohio St. I am looking forward to actually seeing how good Ohio St. is.

[seekupig]

And I can't wait for UNC v. Ohio St. I am looking forward to actually seeing how good Ohio St. is.

the game would be much more intriguing to me with Oden playing, but it'll still be worth watching. i personally think the Tar Heels are going to run them out of the gym.....

[HolyCow]

the game would be much more intriguing to me with Oden playing, but it'll still be worth watching. i personally think the Tar Heels are going to run them out of the gym.....\
Same here. I really wanted to see Oden match up with Hansborough. Oh well.

[UNC41]

the game would be much more intriguing to me with Oden playing, but it'll still be worth watching. i personally think the Tar Heels are going to run them out of the gym.....

I hope so. When Lawson is playing well, the Heels are truly a scary team. If he can hit his stride by February they could be uberscary come March.

Also, what are your thoughts on Brandon Rush's disappearing act on Saturday until OT. I was really hoping to see a lot more out of him.

[UNC41]

\
Same here. I really wanted to see Oden match up with Hansborough. Oh well.

Me too. Especially because he's a defensive force, but still raw offensively. I wanted to see Tyler against that challenge. The last time they played, he fared well against Oden though.

[seekupig]

Also, what are your thoughts on Brandon Rush's disappearing act on Saturday until OT. I was really hoping to see a lot more out of him.

i won't be to bothered by it as long as it doesn't become a habit. they were winning that game with Arthur and Wright underneath the basket with the Florida frontcourt in foul trouble, so i was fine with them attacking it that way and taking the outside shot when it was there. i would like to see him get more aggressive on the offensive end at times, but in a game like that i don't want them to change what's working just for the sake of getting him some looks. if it's there he'll take it, but i don't want him to feel forced to be the go to guy.... even though he is.

[UNC41]

i won't be to bothered by it as long as it doesn't become a habit. they were winning that game with Arthur and Wright underneath the basket with the Florida frontcourt in foul trouble, so i was fine with them attacking it that way and taking the outside shot when it was there. i would like to see him get more aggressive on the offensive end at times, but in a game like that i don't want them to change what's working just for the sake of getting him some looks. if it's there he'll take it, but i don't want him to feel forced to be the go to guy.... even though he is.

Understandable. I was just surprised because I've never seen him that passive before. Even if he wasn't needed to be the go-to-guy that game, I can't believe he wasn't getting the ball on backdoor cuts until overtime. Florida's foul trouble did hurt their frontcourt, but I don't think they were any good defensively when not committing fouls.

[UNLTrpt]

Nebraska gets a win over another hypen school. Tonights victim: 71-42 over Arkansas-Pine Bluff to move to 4-0 on the year.

Nebraskas next opponent, a directional school, north texas on Wednesday.

we should get that one but our perfect season probably will come to an end at Rutgers on Saturday.

[unccrombie]

anyone see bilas' comments on espn. i thought he made a good point on when mid majors beat majors they get all the credit in the world, but when majors beat them there's no reward, and how we say a lot of things are upsets that in fact should be happening aside from a few instances. i thought it was a good point to say the least

[mizzoudmbfan]

anyone see bilas' comments on espn. i thought he made a good point on when mid majors beat majors they get all the credit in the world, but when majors beat them there's no reward, and how we say a lot of things are upsets that in fact should be happening aside from a few instances. i thought it was a good point to say the least

We have caught quite a bit of heat locally for rarely playing Missouri State(formerly Southwest Missouri) of the Mo Valley, even when our program had a little integrity before Snyder drove it into the ground. Mainly for the very reasons you/Bilas pointed out. We have nothing to gain from playing MO State and everything to lose. Regardless of the rankings it is always going to be considered an upset when Missouri State wins one(which will inevitably happen due to the nature of college basketball).

They are also textbook trap games, mid major teams tend to always get pumped up for games vs BCS schools, while the BCS school might be looking past them to a marquee match up down the road or conference play (see ORU-kU vs UF-kU). I'm not saying this is an excuse, just a reason.

just my .02

[UNC41]

I just read on a UNC message board that some Ohio St. fans think the Heels will be in trouble if they try to run tomorrow night. The hilarity behind that statement made my day.

[RJ2kWJ]

I just read on a UNC message board that some Ohio St. fans think the Heels will be in trouble if they try to run tomorrow night. The hilarity behind that statement made my day.


I think its just gonna be a hell of a game. Also gonna be fun to watch the ACC go to 8-0 in the challenge. Hopefully Duke can remain the only undefeated team in the challenge also, tonight against Indiana.

[UNC41]

I think its just gonna be a hell of a game. Also gonna be fun to watch the ACC go to 8-0 in the challenge. Hopefully Duke can remain the only undefeated team in the challenge also, tonight against Indiana.

I agree that it should be a very good game, but trying to run the Heels out of the gym is not the way to beat them.

[seekupig]

looks like the annual ACC bitch slap of the Big Ten is alive and well......

[mizzoudmbfan]

Speaking of bitch slaps 83-32 dayamn.

Take that Ivy League!

[seekupig]

Speaking of bitch slaps 83-32 dayamn.

Take that Ivy League!

:lol :lol

[UNC41]

Indiana is pitiful. Demarcus Nelson and the Duke defense have been the only impressive parts of this game so far. Paulus still sucks and DJ White looks incredibly terrible with his passiveness.

[HolyCow]

Indiana is pitiful. Demarcus Nelson and the Duke defense have been the only impressive parts of this game so far. Paulus still sucks and DJ White looks incredibly terrible with his passiveness.
So what is it? Kelvin Sampson not a very good coach or bad Indiana players?

[seekupig]

So what is it? Kelvin Sampson not a very good coach or bad Indiana players?

i haven't watched the entire game, but from i've seen it looks like a case of a decent coach not being able to shine shit.

[UNC41]

i haven't watched the entire game, but from i've seen it looks like a case of a decent coach not being able to shine shit.

:thumbsup

And DJ White being incredibly passive.

[HolyCow]

i haven't watched the entire game, but from i've seen it looks like a case of a decent coach not being able to shine shit.

:thumbsup
that's what i thought.

[SoRight24]

Paulus, has really digressed from last year though. Not that I'm disappointed or anything. ;)

[UNC41]

I'm leaving for Casino Royale soon and will be putting together this week's poll when I get home. Get me some peoples, or it'll just be me and seekupig again.

[SmoothD41]

finally, IU comes alive. This team has so much talent, I really hope it doesn't go to shit this year with a new coach, new system, and getting all the guys to play well together.

[SoRight24]

UNC41, do you happen to visit InsideCarolina?

[UNC41]

UNC41, do you happen to visit InsideCarolina?

I browse, but don't post. That OSU fan who came over and said Carolina will be screwed if they try and run tomorrow night has been the highlight of my day thus far.

[SoRight24]

Good stuff, I shell out 90$ a year to those bastards. Haha but it's worth it though, really good info on there.

If your a UNC freak like me, its like heaven.

[UNC41]

Alright, I'm headed out, but since this thread is rocking I expect some polls PMd to me by the time I get back.

[HolyCow]

Alright, I'm headed out, but since this thread is rocking I expect some polls PMd to me by the time I get back.
Sent. :)

[clayj41]

How does Bassett not take that shot!?!

[bubba40]

How does Bassett not take that shot!?!

Ugh, no kidding.
Duke did not look very good. We play them Saturday, and I'm definitely expecting a win.

[RJ2kWJ]

Ugh, no kidding.
Duke did not look very good. We play them Saturday, and I'm definitely expecting a win.

You can never say that though... I mean ODU came in and beat G-Town on campus for their first loss their in 24 years, but that doesnt mean Im counting out the Hoyas... They are too dirty.

[bubba40]

You can never say that though... I mean ODU came in and beat G-Town on campus for their first loss their in 24 years, but that doesnt mean Im counting out the Hoyas... They are too dirty.

Oh yeah, we're liable to completely crap the bed every now and then. That ODU game was SO depressing to watch from the student section.

Dirty? How so?

[RJ2kWJ]

Oh yeah, we're liable to completely crap the bed every now and then. That ODU game was SO depressing to watch from the student section.

Dirty? How so?

Cuz you all are good. Dirty - good/awesome/talented/unreal. Whatever word you use. :lol

[UNLTrpt]

Cuz you all are good. Dirty - good/awesome/talented/unreal. Whatever word you use. :lol

damn kids.

[bubba40]

Cuz you all are good. Dirty - good/awesome/talented/unreal. Whatever word you use. :lol

:lol :thumbsup Gotcha.

[chiznaz]

i haven't had a chance to post, but damn kansas looked awesome against florida. I was loving the defense and the speed they played. hell i stopped cramming for my acct exam just to watch them. can't wait to play yall @KU. A&M has to focus on the next week though. I'm roadtripping to LSU on Tues:)

[UNC41]

Week 3 Ants College Basketball Poll

1. UCLA (5)
2. Ohio State
3. Pittsburgh
4. Florida
5. Kansas
6. North Carolina
7. Texas A&M
8. Alabama
9. Marquette
10. LSU
11. Duke
12. Washington
13. Wisconsin
14. Syracuse
15. Arizona
16. Memphis
17. Butler
18. Wichita State
19. Georgetown
20.(tie) Maryland
Connecticut
22.(tie) Georgia Tech
Nevada
24. Gonzaga
25. Texas

Participating members: UNC41, seekupig, SoRight24, HolyCow, clayj41

[UNC41]

Al Thorton's dunk last night was flippin sweet.

[seekupig]

top 25 poll looks pretty good. glad to see there weren't a lot of homer picks going on.....

[clayj41]

I'm so pumped for tonight's game! I wish I was done with classes for the day...:(

[SoRight24]

I'm so pumped for tonight's game! I wish I was done with classes for the day...:(

You and me both!

Go Heels!

[HolyCow]

Al Thorton's dunk last night was flippin sweet.
What was up with Orlando Tucker crying blood after it though? :eek

But that dunk was amazing.

[UNC41]

You and me both!

Go Heels!

That makes three of us.

[DMBfan41]

FDU lost to Wisconsin-Green Bay yesterday, boo 2-2

[UNC41]

What was up with Orlando Tucker crying blood after it though? :eek

But that dunk was amazing.

I have no idea. I just saw it on Sportscenter's Top 10. All I know is he posterized him.

[gbs3769]

Hey bitches. How does one get in on the Polling?

Huge game Saturday. 'Cuse vs. The Shockers.

- Primo

[UNC41]

Hey bitches. How does one get in on the Polling?

Huge game Saturday. 'Cuse vs. The Shockers.

- Primo

Just hit me up with a PM ranking the top 25 teams in the nation by noon central next Tuesday.

I really wish the Cuse game was televised on Saturday. I want to see both if they are for real and Paul Harris play.

[snow1868]

Hey bitches. How does one get in on the Polling?

Huge game Saturday. 'Cuse vs. The Shockers.

- Primo

Even bigger game vs. the Cowboys in MSG on the 5th. Should be a good one.

[UNC41]

Even bigger game vs. the Cowboys in MSG on the 5th. Should be a good one.

pause ... NOT

[RJ2kWJ]

I'm actually rooting for the Heels tonight... I always find myself pulling for the ACC in out of conference games. Is that a bad thing?

[snow1868]

pause ... NOT

Fine, be an ass. :thumbsdow Go Buckeyes tonight!

[clayj41]

I'm actually rooting for the Heels tonight... I always find myself pulling for the ACC in out of conference games. Is that a bad thing?

Well, personally I always cheer for Duke to lose regardless of who they're playing.:D If they play Kentucky though, I'm torn...

[SoRight24]

Well, personally I always cheer for Duke to lose regardless of who they're playing.:D If they play Kentucky though, I'm torn...

I even pull for Kentucky when they are playing Duke.

[gbs3769]

I really wish the Cuse game was televised on Saturday. I want to see both if they are for real and Paul Harris play.
Paul Harris is just sick. Did you see the YouTube of his dunk against Northeastern?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npy70E-XF8I

Just sick. Although the Josh Wright dunk from Monday night was more impressive.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=kVeB7kebsrk

As far as Syracuse, we are ranked too high at #14. The only thing that has saved us this year is that fact that for the most part we have played against weaker opponents. I'm not saying we have played weak teams, because some of those guys can really play. Penn is a quality team as are Charlotte and Canisius. Saturday is going to show how Syracuse can play against a top-quality opponent. If we play lax like we have for half the game each game this season, we will not win.

- Primo

[gbs3769]

I'm actually rooting for the Heels tonight... I always find myself pulling for the ACC in out of conference games. Is that a bad thing?
Not at all. The only time I root for Georgetown is when they are playing non-conference teams.

I am a fan of, in this order:

1. Syracuse.
2. Big East.
3. Anyone who beats Georgetown.

- Primo

[UNC41]

Fine, be an ass. :thumbsdow Go Buckeyes tonight!

If honesty makes me an ass, so be it. The truth is that two ranked teams is bigger than two major conference teams playing.

[snow1868]

If honesty makes me an ass, so be it. The truth is that two ranked teams is bigger than two major conference teams playing.


Just because both teams are not ranked does nothing to take away from it being a big game. OSU and Syracuse are two marquee programs and this is a big game for teams. You could have just pointed out that it may not a bigger game, but you deciced to be an ass about it with your "witty" remark. Besides, rankings mean nothing in college basketball.

[UNC41]

Just because both teams are not ranked does nothing to take away from it being a big game. OSU and Syracuse are two marquee programs and this is a big game for teams. You could have just pointed out that it may not a bigger game, but you deciced to be an ass about it with your "witty" remark. Besides, rankings mean nothing in college basketball.

Couple of things ...

1. Oklahoma State is not a marquee program.
2. It's not even a big game. Hell, UNC and Kentucky isn't a big game on Saturday and that is a game between two of the top 3 college basketball programs in NCAA history.
3. I don't think I was witty at all. After all, all I did was steal a line from a popular movie. Go see Borat, it's hilarious.

[UNC41]

Digger really went out on a limb with his Final Four just now on PTI ...

UCLA, Kansas, UNC and Florida

[SoRight24]

I'm surprised he picked the Heels to get past the first round.

He usually has NOTHING good to say about UNC.

[rconverse]

How about them Dukies?

[SoRight24]

How about them Dukies?

What about them? They backed into a win last night against IU.

[snow1868]

Couple of things ...

1. Oklahoma State is not a marquee program.
2. It's not even a big game. Hell, UNC and Kentucky isn't a big game on Saturday and that is a game between two of the top 3 college basketball programs in NCAA history.
3. I don't think I was witty at all. After all, all I did was steal a line from a popular movie. Go see Borat, it's hilarious.


Maybe marquee was the wrong word, but OSU is a top tier program in college basketball. OSU has only missed the tourney 3 times in 16 years and gone to the Final Four twice in that time as well. And don't give me the no titles arguement as them not being a top tier program. Are we a Duke, UNC or Kentucky? No, but there is plenty of tradition and pride in Gallagher-Iba.

And yes, I still need to see Borat.

[UNC41]

Maybe marquee was the wrong word, but OSU is a top tier program in college basketball. OSU has only missed the tourney 3 times in 16 years and gone to the Final Four twice in that time as well. And don't give me the no titles arguement as them not being a top tier program. Are we a Duke, UNC or Kentucky? No, but there is plenty of tradition and pride in Gallagher-Iba.

And yes, I still need to see Borat.

Historically, yes I'd stay OSU is in the tier behind the elite programs in the nation. Recently, they've seemed to put together many mediocre to solid teams and then every once in a while one good enough to make a very deep run. This year I don't think is one of those years.

[UNC41]

Go Heels!

I wish this hour would pass.

[snow1868]

Historically, yes I'd stay OSU is in the tier behind the elite programs in the nation. Recently, they've seemed to put together many mediocre to solid teams and then every once in a while one good enough to make a very deep run. This year I don't think is one of those years.

This years team is still young and is going to make mistakes. Not all of our games have been very pretty this year, but at least we are winning the close games we could't last year. Bogan and Dove are beasts on defense and Curry is still putting up solid numbers. Harris is going to have a breakthrough season and Cooper just needs to gain some confidence because he a monster. I think the Pokes will edge out the Aggies for second in the Big 12 and get at least a 5 or 4 seed in the tourney.

But only time will tell.

[clayj41]

Ginyard has provided a nice little spark...and Frasor is now lighting it up!!!

They HAVE to improve their perimeter D though.

HANSBROUGH!!!!!:multi

[HolyCow]

Couple of things ...

1. Oklahoma State is not a marquee program.


:thumbsup

OSU, for some unknown reason thinks their basketball program is elite. It is kind of sad, especially when they have the second best program in the state. :shrug


And what a ballgame tonight! WOW!

[clayj41]

I wish the refs would start making some calls...

[UNLTrpt]

:thumbsup

OSU, for some unknown reason thinks their basketball program is elite. It is kind of sad, especially when they have the second best program in the state. :shrug

They're not an elite team but...the second best program in the state?

[snow1868]

:thumbsup

OSU, for some unknown reason thinks their basketball program is elite. It is kind of sad, especially when they have the second best program in the state. :shrug

Are you fucking kidding me!!!! If ask anyone to talk about anything basketball in the state of Oklahoma, you really think they'll talk about OU? You have lost your mind. Henry Iba and Eddie Sutton seem to come to a lot of peoples minds. Billy Tubbs and Kelvin Sampson will never be in league of these two men. Never mind that, Lloyd Nobel Arena only sells out when the Pokes and Longhorns come to town, every other night everyone leaves after they get their free hot dog, coke and t-shirt. You want to talk about basketball tradition? How many titles does OU have in basketball? None. OU may have more wins in a rivalry or as a program, but there is no tradition to OU basketball. Common man, nice try, but OSU is the basketball team for Oklahoma.

[snow1868]

:thumbsup

OSU, for some unknown reason thinks their basketball program is elite. It is kind of sad, especially when they have the second best program in the state. :shrug


And what a ballgame tonight! WOW!

And how's your team looking this year? Last in the Big 12? Next to last? Tell me, what games will OU win this year?

[TempHelpNeeded]

Let's go Buckeyes!


4 point lead is more than I expected going into the second half. :D

[clayj41]

If the Heels hope to win they have to improve their perimeter D. Granted, Ohio St. is shooting lights out, but for God's sakes get a hand in their face!

[HolyCow]

:thumbsup

OSU, for some unknown reason thinks their basketball program is elite. It is kind of sad, especially when they have the second best program in the state. :shrug


And what a ballgame tonight! WOW!

And how's your team looking this year? Last in the Big 12? Next to last? Tell me, what games will OU win this year?
Typical Poke. Concerned about the Sooners. Actually OU is looking alright. We are 5-2, and lost to one great team and one decent team. We beat all the scrubs and if we would have played more of them (like OSU) we would be 7-0. And by the way, we weren't squeeking by them at home by 4 points like you guys.

By the way:
Since the Big XII formed in '96.

Records:
OU: 111-49 (.694)
OSU: 101-59 (.631)

Big XII titles:
OU: 3
OSU: 2

All-time records:
OU: 1,429-909 (.611)
OSU: 1,413-989 (.588)

I just get tired of OSU fans thinking they are up there with Duke and UNC in basketball, when in reality, they are actually right there with OU. For some reason, OSU fans really care that the LNC isn't the greatest place to play in there world, but here is a news flash for you: attendence doesn't win games. And here is the funny part: obviously is doesn't help that much, because OU has done better at home historically than OSU has.

Get off the Sooners. Care about your own little school up there.

[TempHelpNeeded]

We can't hit anything out of the gates. :(

[snow1868]

[quote=snow1868;5308695]
Typical Poke. Concerned about the Sooners. Actually OU is looking alright. We are 5-2, and lost to one great team and one decent team. We beat all the scrubs and if we would have played more of them (like OSU) we would be 7-0. And by the way, we weren't squeeking by them at home by 4 points like you guys.

By the way:
Since the Big XII formed in '96.

Records:
OU: 111-49 (.694)
OSU: 101-59 (.631)

Big XII titles:
OU: 3
OSU: 2

All-time records:
OU: 1,429-909 (.611)
OSU: 1,413-989 (.588)

I just get tired of OSU fans thinking they are up there with Duke and UNC in basketball, when in reality, they are actually right there with OU. For some reason, OSU fans really care that the LNC isn't the greatest place to play in there world, but here is a news flash for you: attendence doesn't win games. And here is the funny part: obviously is doesn't help that much, because OU has done better at home historically than OSU has.

Get off the Sooners. Care about your own little school up there.

I never once said anything about the Sooners until you took a jab about tonights game. I could really care less about OU, yet you seem to have quite a facination with starting arguments with me. It seems quite obvious that you're very concerned about the going on's here at OSU. Grow up man. Typical Sooner, trying to bring down every positive thing about a school you claim not to care about.

And to prove that OU fans could care lees about basketball, OU is 3-2, not 5-2. Stick to football.

[HolyCow]

I never once said anything about the Sooners until you took a jab about tonights game. I could really care less about OU, yet you seem to have quite a facination with starting arguments with me. It seems quite obvious that you're very concerned about the going on's here at OSU. Grow up man. Typical Sooner, trying to bring down every positive thing about a school you claim not to care about.

And to prove that OU fans could care lees about basketball, OU is 3-2, not 5-2. Stick to football.
Good luck to you.

[seekupig]

wasn't there someone predicting a 15 point Ohio State win around here last night?

they played well, they're much better than i thought they'd be this early in the season, but playing your first ranked team and your first road game of the season at UNC is too much to ask of anyone.....

[SmoothD41]

so is it safe to say that Butler is the #1 team in the nation?

Gonzaga beats UNC, Butler beats Gonzaga, UNC beats Ohio State.

Who's next?

[SmoothD41]

wasn't there someone predicting a 15 point Ohio State win around here last night?

they played well, they're much better than i thought they'd be this early in the season, but playing your first ranked team and your first road game of the season at UNC is too much to ask of anyone.....

yeah, i was predicting a 15 point Ohio State win. UNC just turned it up BIG TIME in the 2nd half. Ohio State was well on their way for most of the first half. Nothing wrong with going against the grain every once in a while. It was just a feeling that I had, that happened to be wrong. Big deal

If Oden was playing tonight, I believe OSU would have won this game handily.

[seekupig]

so is it safe to say that Butler is the #1 team in the nation?

Gonzaga beats UNC, Butler beats Gonzaga, UNC beats Ohio State.

Who's next?

i think it's safe to say that UCLA is the #1 team in the nation until they lose. i hate how ESPN's polls always seem to go hand in hand with the televised games they have coming up.

[HolyCow]

If Oden was playing tonight, I believe OSU would have won this game handily.
Disagree. UNC is good.

[seekupig]

yeah, i was predicting a 15 point Ohio State win. UNC just turned it up BIG TIME in the 2nd half. Ohio State was well on their way for most of the first half. Nothing wrong with going against the grain every once in a while. It was just a feeling that I had, that happened to be wrong. Big deal

If Oden was playing tonight, I believe OSU would have won this game handily.

no problem, i was just giving you shit. i'm wrong all the time.... :lol


but why is it that Greg Oden has been annointed the best player in college basketball without ever stepping on the court? i know he's got a lot of potential to be good, but i feel that he's being set up for failure with the expectations that have been put on him.

[clayj41]

yeah, i was predicting a 15 point Ohio State win. UNC just turned it up BIG TIME in the 2nd half. Ohio State was well on their way for most of the first half. Nothing wrong with going against the grain every once in a while. It was just a feeling that I had, that happened to be wrong. Big deal

If Oden was playing tonight, I believe OSU would have won this game handily.

It would have been a different game but the Heels would've adjusted. Would Ohio St. have had a better chance of winning? Yes. Does that mean they would've won. No.


Anyways, I'm really excited about this UNC team. In all my years of watching Tar Heels basketbally, this may be my all-time favorite team to watch.

[TempHelpNeeded]

Oden will own. And with him they could've done much better. Takes a lot of focus off our relying 3-pointers. With a center, you win. UNC proved that tonight with Hansborough.


But I wish Dick Vitale would shut up about the ACC and Greg Oden. He makes me want to shoot myself.


Good start for my Buckeyes who we clearly knew weren't number 1 headed into this. At least I thought so.

[SmoothD41]

no problem, i was just giving you shit. i'm wrong all the time.... :lol


but why is it that Greg Oden has been annointed the best player in college basketball without ever stepping on the court? i know he's got a lot of potential to be good, but i feel that he's being set up for failure with the expectations that have been put on him.

yeah, it does kind of suck that he has these ridiculous expectations...but he is going to make such a huge difference in their lineup. OSU's front court flat out sucked tonight. I live in Indy. I went and saw Oden and Conley play a few times last year. I know it's high school, and the level that they are playing right now is in a whole different galaxy than high school ball, but Oden was absolutely dominant. I mean it is scary how good the kid is. I can't wait until he suits up, OSU is going to be frightening. I'm hoping for a rematch in early April. That game was so much fun.

[HolyCow]

Oden will own. And with him they could've done much better. Takes a lot of focus off our relying 3-pointers. With a center, you win. UNC proved that tonight with Hansborough.


But I wish Dick Vitale would shut up about the ACC and Greg Oden. He makes me want to shoot myself.


Good start fo