Preseason NCAA Basketball Poll is released

[rconverse]

What about them? They backed into a win last night against IU.

They didn't back into that win. They looked like a solid top 50 team.

[rconverse]

i can think of another..... :D

DUKE? Cause that's what I was thinking.

[seekupig]

DUKE? Cause that's what I was thinking.

absolutely not. their jersey's may be ranked in the top 15, but it's certainly not the team that's wearing them.

[clayj41]

Ohio St. would dominate Duke right now, even without Oden.

[seekupig]

pre-game ceremony at Cameron Indoor last night.....

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y181/seekupig/shop_7_t.jpg

[rconverse]

As I stated in an earlier post, Duke is a solid Top 50 team.

[rconverse]

pre-game ceremony at Cameron Indoor last night.....

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y181/seekupig/shop_7_t.jpg

I don't like you right now.

[seekupig]

I don't like you right now.

why not? have you seen Coack K's new movie yet?

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y181/seekupig/shop_6.jpg

[clayj41]

As I stated in an earlier post, Duke is a solid Top 50 team.

Yeah, only problem is that Ohio St. is a solid Top 5 team...

[kydmb99]

It would have been a different game but the Heels would've adjusted. Would Ohio St. have had a better chance of winning? Yes. Does that mean they would've won. No.


Anyways, I'm really excited about this UNC team. In all my years of watching Tar Heels basketbally, this may be my all-time favorite team to watch.

Already? :ugh

[clayj41]

Already? :ugh

As a matter of personal opinion...YES! It's tough to compete with the 95-97 teams of Stackhouse, Wallace, Jamison, Cota, and Carter and the '05 Championship team, but this team really excites me. They have such youthful exuberance and depth.

[rconverse]

why not? have you seen Coack K's new movie yet?

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y181/seekupig/shop_6.jpg

haha. the rat. I like that nickname though.

[UNC41]

Big time win for Carolina tonight. There were plenty of defensive problems throughout the game, but that second half was damn impressive offensively.

I loved the way Hansbrough bounced back after struggling in the first half. He's an absolute gamer. Ellington showed the ability to put the ball in the basket from anywhere. He's gonna be special and reminds me of a cross between McCants and Forte. Lawson finally put the game together I've been waiting for him to with zero turnovers. He struggled from the line, but I was happy. Bobby kept the came close late in the first half. I wouldn't think of trading him for Paulus. Thompson stepped up in the first as well when Wright was in foul trouble, but it was scary how effortless Wright was scoring in the post once he got into the game.

Ohio St. was impressive as well. They were on fire for the first 30 minutes of the game and seemed to get open jumpers and easy layups with ease. Their ability to penetrate on the dribble was huge for that team. Conley got into the lane with ease and was key to many of those open jump shots. Lewis was a beast tonight. I don't know how to say it better. Cook can flat out score and hit the glass hard. This team will be very good once they get Oden back.

For everyone who says Ohio St. easily wins tonight with Oden, that's just wrong. We don't know what and it's a completely different game with him on the court. Their offense would have been completely different and I think they would have attacked UNC differently coming out of the gate.

Finally, Dickie V please shut the fuck up. Yes, we understand Oden is injured and the Buckeyes will be getting him back, but don't let one 7 foot man on the bench trump the game.

[rconverse]

It's still a big time player to be missing (Oden). Hanborough is fucking tough. I hate that fucker.

[clayj41]

It's still a big time player to be missing (Oden). Hanborough is fucking tough. I hate that fucker.

Now you know how we welt about Redick all those years.:lol

[rconverse]

Now you know how we welt about Redick all those years.:lol

True. But, with the NBA rules, HB may be gone after this year. :thumbsup

[UNC41]

yeah, i was predicting a 15 point Ohio State win. UNC just turned it up BIG TIME in the 2nd half. Ohio State was well on their way for most of the first half. Nothing wrong with going against the grain every once in a while. It was just a feeling that I had, that happened to be wrong. Big deal

If Oden was playing tonight, I believe OSU would have won this game handily.

When Ohio St. doesn't miss shots they'll usually look on their way to a win. Plus, the Buckeyes were up at most 10 in the first half and I never once had a feeling the game was anywhere near over. Yes, it was a hell of a start, but it takes more than that to beat one of the best teams in the nation on the road.

[UNC41]

Oden will own. And with him they could've done much better. Takes a lot of focus off our relying 3-pointers. With a center, you win. UNC proved that tonight with Hansborough.


But I wish Dick Vitale would shut up about the ACC and Greg Oden. He makes me want to shoot myself.


Good start for my Buckeyes who we clearly knew weren't number 1 headed into this. At least I thought so.

Do you really want the focus off your three point shooting when the Buckeyes are hitting half of the ones they shoot?

[UNC41]

yeah, it does kind of suck that he has these ridiculous expectations...but he is going to make such a huge difference in their lineup. OSU's front court flat out sucked tonight. I live in Indy. I went and saw Oden and Conley play a few times last year. I know it's high school, and the level that they are playing right now is in a whole different galaxy than high school ball, but Oden was absolutely dominant. I mean it is scary how good the kid is. I can't wait until he suits up, OSU is going to be frightening. I'm hoping for a rematch in early April. That game was so much fun.

Yeah, I saw Oden play in high school once too. Hansbrough outplayed him.

[UNC41]

Ohio St. is a whole lot better than I thought. Definately a Final Four contender.

Agreed.

[rconverse]

Do you really want the focus off your three point shooting when the Buckeyes are hitting half of the ones they shoot?

I always worry about "good shooting" teams. You live and die by the three. Part of the reason Duke has so many reg seasons wins and not as many championships. When you live by the three and have an off night, there is nothing to fall back on.

[clayj41]

True. But, with the NBA rules, HB may be gone after this year. :thumbsup

Yeah, I wouldn't blame him though.

[UNC41]

I always worry about "good shooting" teams. You live and die by the three. Part of the reason Duke has so many reg seasons wins and not as many championships. When you live by the three and have an off night, there is nothing to fall back on.

That often happens. I haven't seen too much of Oden, but most of what I hear says he's pretty raw offensively. Ohio St. did get into the lane pretty easily, and even if they aren't hitting from deep I think they'll be able to get a lot of easy buckets from dribble penetration.

[rconverse]

That often happens. I haven't seen too much of Oden, but most of what I hear says he's pretty raw offensively. Ohio St. did get into the lane pretty easily, and even if they aren't hitting from deep I think they'll be able to get a lot of easy buckets from dribble penetration.

I didn't get to see the whole game, so I wast just commenting in a general sense. Which is what I will do next...:D

Raw = Awesome but inconsistent (IMO from college coaches in all sports).

In other words, "raw" talent can either bury you or help you to exploit it. I don't think anyone wants to play Ohio State when Oden is playing well.

[UNC41]

I didn't get to see the whole game, so I wast just commenting in a general sense. Which is what I will do next...:D

Raw = Awesome but inconsistent (IMO from college coaches in all sports).

In other words, "raw" talent can either bury you or help you to exploit it. I don't think anyone wants to play Ohio State when Oden is playing well.

I'd love to play him because it'd mean UNC hadn't gotten knocked off before late March/early April. He should be good, but won't put the Buckeyes in a class ahead of UNC/UCLA/Florida/Kansas.

EDIT: I just noticed you didn't get to watch the whole game because you were watching One Tree Hill during the first half. You know how I know you're gay ... you watch One Tree Hill over North Carolina/Ohio State.

[rconverse]

I'd love to play him because it'd mean UNC hadn't gotten knocked off before late March/early April. He should be good, but won't put the Buckeyes in a class ahead of UNC/UCLA/Florida/Kansas.

EDIT: I just noticed you didn't get to watch the whole game because you were watching One Tree Hill during the first half. You know how I know you're gay ... you watch One Tree Hill over North Carolina/Ohio State.

First, CBB is so much different than CFB. ANY team is a threat on any night. I won't put the Bucks ahead of anyone. But those teams you mentioned, wouldn't be upset if tOSU was knocked off early in the tournament.

[UNC41]

First, CBB is so much different than CFB. ANY team is a threat on any night. I won't put the Bucks ahead of anyone. But those teams you mentioned, wouldn't be upset if tOSU was knocked off early in the tournament.

That's true, but I don't know how much that changed after tonight.

[UNC41]

Also, I'm about two more shitty games from Reyshawn until I'm 100% convinced Danny Green or Marcus Ginyard should be starting at the 3.

[clayj41]

Also, I'm about two more shitty games from Reyshawn until I'm 100% convinced Danny Green or Marcus Ginyard should be starting at the 3.

I told my buddy the same thing earlier tonight...

Edit: My starting 5...

PG Lawson
SG Ellington
SF Green
PF Hansbrough
C Wright

[bubba40]

:BANG is all I have to say about our performance tonight. Right now, we were the most overrated team at the start of the season.
Makes me nauseous. If we don't beat Duke on Saturday (and that is a tall order)...:violent ...

[willthethrill]

:BANG is all I have to say about our performance tonight. Right now, we were the most overrated team at the start of the season.
Makes me nauseous. If we don't beat Duke on Saturday (and that is a tall order)...:violent ...
You should, did you watch the IU game? Foul Paulus out and they're hopeless.

Now as far as the game tonight, the Dean Dome was suuuuublime.

[UNC41]

I told my buddy the same thing earlier tonight...

Edit: My starting 5...

PG Lawson
SG Ellington
SF Green
PF Hansbrough
C Wright

If the defensive problems continue, having Ginyard on the floor to set the pace early and then Green to provide punch off the bench might be the best way to go. Also, I think Hansbrough is playing the 5, but they are easily the starters in the post. Thompson did impress me tonight though.

[UNC41]

You should, did you watch the IU game? Foul Paulus out and they're hopeless.

Now as far as the game tonight, the Dean Dome was suuuuublime.

First off, I don't think Duke is better with Paulus running the point right now than when Scheyer is.

Second, were you at the game tonight?

[clayj41]

If the defensive problems continue, having Ginyard on the floor to set the pace early and then Green to provide punch off the bench might be the best way to go. Also, I think Hansbrough is playing the 5, but they are easily the starters in the post. Thompson did impress me tonight though.

Yeah, I wasn't sure if they had Wright or Hansbrough at the 5 but Wright seems a more natural fit. As for starting Ginyard, I see what you're saying.

[UNC41]

Yeah, I wasn't sure if they had Wright or Hansbrough at the 5 but Wright seems a more natural fit. As for starting Ginyard, I see what you're saying.

Heightwise, Wright does seem like more a natural fit, but Hansbrough has 40 pounds on him. Plus, Psycho T's aggressiveness down low makes him more of a collegiate 5. Neither one are a center in the NBA.

[gbs3769]

but why is it that Greg Oden has been annointed the best player in college basketball without ever stepping on the court? i know he's got a lot of potential to be good, but i feel that he's being set up for failure with the expectations that have been put on him.
I'm glad someone else agrees. Let the damn kid play a game or two and then we can start talking about how good or bad he is.

- Primo

[bubba40]

You should, did you watch the IU game? Foul Paulus out and they're hopeless.

Now as far as the game tonight, the Dean Dome was suuuuublime.

Yeah, I watched the end of the IU/Duke game, and you're absolutely right.

[SoRight24]

If you foul Paulus out, you're actually HELPING Duke.

[mizzoudmbfan]

The XII better be ready for Thuggins Ball!:rolleyes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2ZuIXI1VgM

[UNC41]

If you foul Paulus out, you're actually HELPING Duke.

Thank you.

Is the money worth it for an Inside Carolina premium subscription?

[snow1868]

The XII better be ready for Thuggins Ball!:rolleyes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2ZuIXI1VgM

Wow, that was a cheap shot. :thumbsdow

[HolyCow]

Wow, that was a cheap shot. :thumbsdow
:thumbsup That was worse than a cheap shot. I hope we don't see that crap all year.

[clayj41]

Heightwise, Wright does seem like more a natural fit, but Hansbrough has 40 pounds on him. Plus, Psycho T's aggressiveness down low makes him more of a collegiate 5. Neither one are a center in the NBA.

I'll give Hansbrough the weight advantage, which may be the most important in being an effective center, but Wright does have that 7' 4'' wing span.

[rconverse]

EDIT: I just noticed you didn't get to watch the whole game because you were watching One Tree Hill during the first half. You know how I know you're gay ... you watch One Tree Hill over North Carolina/Ohio State.

Too funny. :lol

[UNC41]

The XII better be ready for Thuggins Ball!:rolleyes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2ZuIXI1VgM

That was pathetic. That kid should serve a lengthy suspension.

[UNC41]

I'll give Hansbrough the weight advantage, which may be the most important in being an effective center, but Wright does have that 7' 4'' wing span.

I know. It makes me giggle like a school girl.

[clayj41]

I know. It makes me giggle like a school girl.

:lol :lol :lol

[snow1868]

Looks like JamesOn just auditioned for the NBA last night. This is from SI.com's Power Rankings:

We have an early nomination for offensive stat line of the year: the Cowboys' JamesOn Curry, for what he did against Texas A&M Corpus-Christi (yes, that's a D-I team, and a decent one). He scored 35 points on 12-of-17 shooting, including 4-of-7 from long distance, and didn't miss a free throw. To top it off, in a game where OSU only suited up eight players, and three of them fouled out, Curry played 36 minutes of turnover-less basketball and dished out nine assists. Coach Sean Sutton told The Oklahoman, "I'm not sure I've ever seen that in the 17 years we've been at Oklahoma State, where a guy's stat line looks like that."

[SoRight24]

Thank you.

Is the money worth it for an Inside Carolina premium subscription?

I think so in the long run. Lots of good info on there, its addicting.

[willthethrill]

Looks like JamesOn just auditioned for the NBA last night. This is from SI.com's Power Rankings:

We have an early nomination for offensive stat line of the year: the Cowboys' JamesOn Curry, for what he did against Texas A&M Corpus-Christi (yes, that's a D-I team, and a decent one). He scored 35 points on 12-of-17 shooting, including 4-of-7 from long distance, and didn't miss a free throw. To top it off, in a game where OSU only suited up eight players, and three of them fouled out, Curry played 36 minutes of turnover-less basketball and dished out nine assists. Coach Sean Sutton told The Oklahoman, "I'm not sure I've ever seen that in the 17 years we've been at Oklahoma State, where a guy's stat line looks like that."

First off, I don't think Duke is better with Paulus running the point right now than when Scheyer is.

Second, were you at the game tonight?

Ah, JamesOn. He'd already be wearing a ring if he hadn't dealt drugs.

Yea, I was at the game last night. I didn't get a student ticket through the lottery because it's total BS, but I went down there with a sign about 1.5 hours before gametime and a woman who I swear was an angel walked up to me and gave me a normal ticket for free. It was amazing. Thad Matta said it best:
"I think I’ve never been in a building that was as loud as that building was at times."

Hat's off to OSU though, they're nasty.

[mizzoudmbfan]

Getting ready to battle the elements and head over to Mizzou Arena for the U of A game. First real test of the season, that is to say the first BCS school we have played. Also the first time Coach Anderson will play against his former employer(he went to two NC games as an assistant under Nolan Richardson, winning it all in '94) as a Tiger. I wish it was better weather, I fear that no one from KC or StL(read: the majority of our alumni/season ticket holders that fill the lower seats) is going to be able to make the drive.

I guess it never snows in Asia (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15975683/displaymode/1176/rstry/15968456/):confused

[seekupig]

Getting ready to battle the elements and head over to Mizzou Arena for the U of A game. First real test of the season, that is to say the first BCS school we have played. Also the first time Coach Anderson will play against his former employer(he went to two NC games as an assistant under Nolan Richardson, winning it all in '94) as a Tiger. I wish it was better weather, I fear that no one from KC or StL(read: the majority of our alumni/season ticket holders that fill the lower seats) is going to be able to make the drive.


nice ass whippin' you guys laid on Arkansas last night. :thumbsup

[mizzoudmbfan]

nice ass whippin' you guys laid on Arkansas last night. :thumbsup

It was a fun game. Ever since they hired Coach Anderson I have been really excited for the long run, now I'm actually beginning to get excited about this season. We'll see what happens when we travel to Purdue(our first game outside Mizzou Arena), play Illinois in the Braggin Rights Game, and then hit conference play. For the time being our version of "40 minutes of Hell" is still more like 30 minutes of hell and 10 minutes of what the hell was that?

[willthethrill]

It was a fun game. Ever since they hired Coach Anderson I have been really excited for the long run, now I'm actually beginning to get excited about this season. We'll see what happens when we travel to Purdue(our first game outside Mizzou Arena), play Illinois in the Braggin Rights Game, and then hit conference play. For the time being our version of "40 minutes of Hell" is still more like 30 minutes of hell and 10 minutes of what the hell was that?
Sounds like us.

UK better be ready for the Dome though.

[seekupig]

Sounds like us.

UK better be ready for the Dome though.

that game is going to be a beating..... enjoy it. :thumbsup

[kydmb99]

Yeah, Kentucky's program has gone to absolute shit. Way to go Tubby.

[SmoothD41]

oden's playing today

[clayj41]

That wasn't a particularly pretty game, but the Heels got the job done.

[clayj41]

oden's playing today

Yeah, I saw that. I'll be interested to see how he does. This is gonna be a pretty good day for CBB. We just got to see UNC-Kentucky and now we get to watch Texas-Gonzaga and Duke-Georgetown later.

[UNC41]

Kansas loses to Oral Roberts, then beats Florida, and now loses to Depaul? WTF??

[HolyCow]

Kansas loses to Oral Roberts, then beats Florida, and now loses to Depaul? WTF??
That's what you get with Bill Self. Most inconsistent coach in the country.

[clayj41]

Yay to Kansas losing!:multi

Gonzaga is killing Texas!!!

[UNLTrpt]

I don't know if I'm encouraged or discouraged by losing to Rutgers 75-73 on the road.

[seekupig]

why the hell did Kansas sign Bill Self to a five year extension a few days ago? there's a reason they lose in the first round every year. if the team they're playing isn't ranked or a big name, KU simply shows up and goes through the motions. that has to fall on the coach. as soon as they realize that they can be beat by anyone and show up and give the effort they did against Florida, this team will be a lot better off. :BANG :BANG

[RJ2kWJ]

Got em!!!!

Ugly... But Ill take the victory.

[DMBfan41]

FDU won a double-OT thriller against Canasius tonight. YAY FDU!

[justinandimcool]

Every FDU update you make impresses me more and more. You keep this up I'll be picking Fairleigh Dickinson to win the National Championship.

[UNLTrpt]

Every FDU update you make impresses me more and more. You keep this up I'll be picking Fairleigh Dickinson to win the National Championship.

:lol

[DMBfan41]

Every FDU update you make impresses me more and more. You keep this up I'll be picking Fairleigh Dickinson to win the National Championship.

ha, shut up, Justin. Let me enjoy this! They beat two MAAC teams and a Big East team. Pretty impressive for FDU.

Hopefully they will win and make it back to the tourey.

And you never know.

George Mason???? Fairleigh Dickinson???? You never know!

[justinandimcool]

:lol Well, I'll be rooting for them in their conference, just for you. Suck it Monmouth!

[UNC41]

North Dakota State takes down Marquette tonight. Since Marquette beat Duke that obviously means ... NDSU >>>> Duke

Also, Dickie V is officially Dukie V. I wanted to puke when I saw him outfitting his grandchildren Redick jerseys. Douchenozzle.

[UNLTrpt]

Also, Dickie V is officially Dukie V. I wanted to puke when I saw him outfitting his grandchildren Redick jerseys. Douchenozzle.

you're just now realizing this? The rest of the damn country has known it for quite some time now.

[UNC41]

you're just now realizing this? The rest of the damn country has known it for quite some time now.

No, I've known it since way before he began tonguing JJ's balls, but this makes it a law of science. Kind of like gravity.

[jimibadfish]

oden's playing today

And he made notice of how much better he makes the Buckeyes. He's a beast.

[UNC41]

Florida's down 13 to FSU at the 12 minute TV timeout. Do we have an upset in the making?

[unccrombie]

Florida's down 13 to FSU at the 12 minute TV timeout. Do we have an upset in the making?
wish it was on TV

[UNC41]

wish it was on TV

I know. I'm stuck with gametracker. It's cut to four points with four minutes to go.

[darbini]

It is on tv(in Florida haha), Green just had a 3pter blocked with 4 seconds left while being down by 2, they're not going to pull it off without a miracle. FSU has been raining 3's all night as well as some running jump shots.

[RJ2kWJ]

What an upset. Wow.

[darbini]

FSU is a good team

Lost to Duke last year by 1 point then beat them later in the season by 5, they also lost to NC by 1pt, Boston College by 3. They beat UF 2 years ago by 13, it's a rivalry game just like in football.

[unccrombie]

FSU is a good team

Lost to Duke last year by 1 point then beat them later in the season by 5, they also lost to NC by 1pt, Boston College by 3. They beat UF 2 years ago by 13, it's a rivalry game just like in football.
they lost 2 games by 40 points, hostile enviorment, anything can happen. good team? can't say i agree with that

[darbini]

Good like the lower end of good. Noah was playing with a respiratory infection, Brewer is out with mono, and Horford didn't get much started. Add those factors in with the very slow start combined with FSU's 3's and baboom...upset!

[willthethrill]

North Dakota State takes down Marquette tonight. Since Marquette beat Duke that obviously means ... NDSU >>>> Duke

Also, Dickie V is officially Dukie V. I wanted to puke when I saw him outfitting his grandchildren Redick jerseys. Douchenozzle.
My favorite is that his grandson was bawling his eyes out as he was among the Dook fans. Poor kid is traumatized for life.

[UNC41]

Good like the lower end of good. Noah was playing with a respiratory infection, Brewer is out with mono, and Horford didn't get much started. Add those factors in with the very slow start combined with FSU's 3's and baboom...upset!

How long has been making five three-pointers and shooting 33% from behind the mark been considered an impressive mark? I know I've just got the stat line, but it appears Thornton just outplayed Noah and Horford.

[darbini]

You just had to watch the game, Florida committed many turnovers and FSU capitalized on almost all of them it seemed. Good game, but not pretty by any means.

[unccrombie]

You just had to watch the game, Florida committed many turnovers and FSU capitalized on almost all of them it seemed. Good game, but not pretty by any means.
well generally when you commit an abundance of TOs you'll lose ;)

[UNC41]

You just had to watch the game, Florida committed many turnovers and FSU capitalized on almost all of them it seemed. Good game, but not pretty by any means.

Turnovers is the stat that stuck out. Thornton is one of the better players in the ACC and it appears he just took it to Florida's frontcourt.

[seekupig]

it's a rivalry game just like in football.

not the same thing....

[darbini]

not the same thing....

exactly what I didn't say, but it is a rivalry game and those are always toss ups for the most part, either way it sucks but doesn't bother me that much. They will still lose some more games.:thumbsup



Interesting stat came up during the game: There were only 2 teams that had more assists than turnovers last year: Florida(NCAA Champs) and South Carolina(NIT Champs). Of course that would tend to help you win more games, but if you perform that way season long you can take it all the way

[seekupig]

exactly what I didn't say, but it is a rivalry game and those are always toss ups for the most part:thumbsup

i'll give you that... rivalries are always toss ups. i guess what i was trying to say is that the basketball rivalry between the two doesn't compare to the football rivalry. you are what you are, and winning a national title doesn't change the fact that Florida is a football school first and foremost.

[darbini]

i'll give you that... rivalries are always toss ups. i guess what i was trying to say is that the basketball rivalry between the two doesn't compare to the football rivalry. you are what you are, and winning a national title doesn't change the fact that Florida is a football school first and foremost.

Come January 8th we might be both a football school and a basketball one. 55,000+ students we can share some love:)

[UNC41]

Come January 8th we might be both a football school and a basketball one. 55,000+ students we can share some love:)

Winning a national championship doesn't make Florida a basketball school. If you ask someone what they think of when they think Gator sports, football is the answer you'll get.

[seekupig]

Come January 8th we might be both a football school and a basketball one. 55,000+ students we can share some love:)

if you were to poll those 55,000+ students and give them these choices, what do you think the results would be?

A. Beat Ohio State and win the national title in football

B. repeat as national champs in basketball


.... i'd guess that "A" would win in a landslide, but i could be wrong.....

[unccrombie]

Winning a national championship doesn't make Florida a basketball school. If you ask someone what they think of when they think Gator sports, football is the answer you'll get.
agreed, not too sure if that will ever change. hell i actually still a acknowledge spurrier as their coach :lol

[UNC41]

Also, I still think Noah is terribly overrated.

[darbini]

Winning a national championship doesn't make Florida a basketball school. If you ask someone what they think of when they think Gator sports, football is the answer you'll get.

Yeah, ask someone that doesn't go there. It is a b-ball, football, v-ball, soccer, golf, swimming, etc school. There is more school spirit at UF than anywhere else IMO. There are PLENTY of people that would prefer Basketball over Football, it's their cup of tea. Why have choices of one championship or the other? We want to win as many national chamionships in as many different sports as possible, and we are capable of doing so. Football gets the most recognition on a national scale, but that isn't our fault.

Florida is a basketball school, they have made it to the Final Four 3 out of the last 12 years, what other Basketball school can say that, the finals twice this decade, who else can say that? In the Basketball world they are a basketball team, in the football world they are a football team.

[darbini]

Also, I still think Noah is terribly overrated.

I don't think terribly overrated, but overrated yes. I would take half a Horford than a full Noah

[darbini]

i actually still a acknowledge spurrier as their coach :lol

Meyer just made that shadow dissapear last night, ask any Florida fan.

[unccrombie]

Meyer just made that shadow dissapear last night, ask any Florida fan.
when he wins ill give him his due

[unccrombie]

Also, I still think Noah is terribly overrated.
should have taken his draft stock :lol im sure he'll rebound, but i concur

[clayj41]

When are this weeks polls due Bryan?

[UNC41]

Yeah, ask someone that doesn't go there. It is a b-ball, football, v-ball, soccer, golf, swimming, etc school. There is more school spirit at UF than anywhere else IMO. There are PLENTY of people that would prefer Basketball over Football, it's their cup of tea. Why have choices of one championship or the other? We want to win as many national chamionships in as many different sports as possible, and we are capable of doing so. Football gets the most recognition on a national scale, but that isn't our fault.

Florida is a basketball school, they have made it to the Final Four 3 out of the last 12 years, what other Basketball school can say that, the finals twice this decade, who else can say that? In the Basketball world they are a basketball team, in the football world they are a football team.

No offense, but you can expect fans of any major D-I school to say this.

I don't think terribly overrated, but overrated yes. I would take half a Horford than a full Noah

Many were calling Noah the best player in the nation heading into this season. He's a good player, but nowhere near the best in college basketball.

[seekupig]

Many were calling Noah the best player in the nation heading into this season. He's a good player, but nowhere near the best in college basketball.

no, that would be Greg Oden.... :rolleyes

[UNC41]

When are this weeks polls due Bryan?

Tuesday at noon central. That's going to be the weekly time from now on so people don't take that night's games into consideration.

[clayj41]

Tuesday at noon central. That's going to be the weekly time from now on so people don't take that night's games into consideration.

Got it. 4 ranked teams play tomorrow night so a lot could change between now and then.

[UNC41]

no, that would be Greg Oden.... :rolleyes

He's already a lock for Freshman of the Year and it sickens me. Kevin Durant has so much less talent around him and look at the things he's doing at Texas. Right now he's averaging 23.3 points, 9.4 rebounds, 2.4 blocks, 1.4 steals and shooting 45% from beyond the arc and 93% from the free throw line.

[UNC41]

Got it. 4 ranked teams play tomorrow night so a lot could change between now and then.

For sure. This week the poll will be taken just before LSU/Texas A&M, which will have an influence on the polls.

[darbini]

No offense, but you can expect fans of any major D-I school to say this.


Yeah I know:monkey :ggoat :hump

[seekupig]

For sure. This week the poll will be taken just before LSU/Texas A&M, which will have an influence on the polls.

1. Oral Roberts
2. DePaul
3. Kansas
4. UNC
5. Florida

:lol :lol :lol

[UNC41]

1. Oral Roberts
2. DePaul
3. Kansas
4. UNC
5. Florida

:lol :lol :lol

Incorrect.

1. The Oden State Odens
2-25. Erroneous

[clayj41]

Incorrect.

1. The Oden State Odens
2-25. Erroneous

Actually, I'd put Greg Oden all by himself at #1 and then Ohio State at #2.

[seekupig]

Incorrect.

1. The Oden State Odens
2-25. Erroneous

"If you want to crown them, then crown their asses, but the Odens are who we thought they were....!!!!"

[UNC41]

Actually, I'd put Greg Oden all by himself at #1 and then Ohio State at #2.

If Oden was the only player on the court yesterday it would have been 78-0. The other OSU players, however, allowed Valpo to score 58.

[UNC41]

"If you want to crown them, then crown their asses, but the Odens are who we thought they were....!!!!"

:lol :lol :lol

[unccrombie]

"If you want to crown them, then crown their asses, but the Odens are who we thought they were....!!!!"
the cardinals suck

[gbs3769]

I don't know if I'm encouraged or discouraged by losing to Rutgers 75-73 on the road.
Be encouraged. The RAC is a tough place to play. It is one of those interesting gyms in the Big East that is very loud and is a smaller atmosphere than some of the large locations like UConn (at HCC), Syracuse, Villanova (at the Wachovia Center), Georgetown, etc.

- Primo

[seekupig]

new AP poll......

http://www.sportsline.com/collegebasketball/polls/ap

1. UCLA
2. Pittsburgh
3. UNC
4. Alabama
5. Ohio State
6. Texas A&M
7. Duke (tie)
7. Florida (tie)
9. LSU
10. Wichita State
11. Wisconsin
12. Kansas
13. Washington
14. Arizona
15. Butler
16. Memphis
17. Marquette
18. Gonzaga
19. UConn
20. Nevada
21. Syracuse
22. Oklahoma State
23. Maryland
24. Xavier
25. Georgia Tech

[seekupig]

all polls and updated RPI are out now.....

http://www.sportsline.com/collegebasketball/polls

[chiznaz]

Im heading off to LSU tonight for the A&M/LSU game. I'm skipping 3 classes and couldn't be more proud of myself. Too bad I can't make the trip to Anaheim(sp?) for the A&M/UCLA.

Did I mention how badass college basketball was?

[clayj41]

So according to the halftime show on ESPN2, Oden is now Bill Russell. Please....

[seekupig]

So according to the halftime show on ESPN2, Oden is now Bill Russell. Please....

and according to me, Kansas is not very good right now. not sure if it's the way Bill Self is coaching or having to many young players on one team (NO seniors on their roster), but it's very frustrating to watch right now.

[clayj41]

So Wisconsin only beat Winthrop by 3 in overtime. The Eagles are the real deal...

[UNC41]

Polls in by noon today. Hopefully we can get the same amount of participation as last week.

[gbs3769]

Really wish I could be at the Garden tonight.

- Primo

[snow1868]

Really wish I could be at the Garden tonight.

- Primo

Wouldn't that be nice. Here's to a good game tonight. Go Pokes!

[unccrombie]

Really wish I could be at the Garden tonight.

- Primo
you better hope the dont come out like lard again. thats all im sayin

[UNC41]

Week 4 Ants College Basketball Poll

1. UCLA (2)
2. Pitt
3. North Carolina
4. Ohio St.
5. Alabama
6. Texas A&M
7. Florida
8. Washington
9. LSU
10.(tie) Duke
Wichita St.
Arizona
13. Kansas
14. Wisconsin
15. Butler
16. UConn
17.(tie) Memphis
Gonzaga
19. Marquette
20. Nevada
21. Syracuse
22. Oklahoma St.
23. Maryland
24. Georgia Tech
25. Oregon

Participating Member: UNC41, clayj41

[emu513]

Watch out for Xavier this year. Game Alabama one hell of a game earlier in the year after leading at halftime and is just starting to turn some heads on the national scene.

[UNC41]

So Wisconsin only beat Winthrop by 3 in overtime. The Eagles are the real deal...

Winthrop is a team I would hate to face in the first round of the NCAA tournament. They've played UNC and Wisconsin tough and by the time March rolls around they'll have been tested against those two teams plus Maryland (already happened) and Texas A&M. They won't be afraid of a major conference school in March after playing those teams.

[SoRight24]

Would have done the poll but didn't realize it in time.

Anyways, I'll be in Chapel Hill Saturday when the Heels play High Point. This will be my 2nd trip up there this year.

[willthethrill]

Where's the poll for Ants?

[snow1868]

Meet Marcus Dove. He is a beast.

[snow1868]

Wow. What a game. Got way too comfortable with over three min. left. Damn. Hell of an effort for Syracuse, it was a great game. I think my heart just started beating again just now. Go Pokes!

[HolyCow]

Nice win for O State and more importantly, the Big XII. Maybe JamesOn will finally live up to his freshman hype and play well for a full season. Because he looked great tonight. Except of course, for his sick nasty hair.

[snow1868]

Nice win for O State and more importantly, the Big XII. Maybe JamesOn will finally live up to his freshman hype and play well for a full season. Because he looked great tonight. Except of course, for his sick nasty hair.

Thanks for the props. And yea, the dreads are different for sure. However, if he keeps playing like that I really don't care what his hair looks like. I cannot wait for Tennesee and more importantly, Pitt at the Ford Center.

[HolyCow]

Thanks for the props. And yea, the dreads are different for sure. However, if he keeps playing like that I really don't care what his hair looks like. I cannot wait for Tennesee and more importantly, Pitt at the Ford Center.
As hard you as it may be for you to believe it, I root for O State most times. I just have a lot of douche bag friends that attend O State (they were probably some of the people holding signs...) that love to bash OU and root against OU constantly. As one of my buddies said, "Hey, every week we have a chance to win twice. OSU wins or OU loses!"

But back to basketball. I think O State has a great chance to come into conference undefeated. I think the game at Tenn. poses more of a challenge than the Ford Center game against Pitt. Pitt has always been an overrated team and I think the Pokes have better athletes. Tenn. can hit the outside shot and they will O State some tough matchups. You guys can make the Big XII look really good with some wins.

And to defend myself for my faux paux about saying OU was 5-2. I was counting our two exhibition games as regular games. I guess because I have been to all the home games, it just slipped my mind that they weren't regular season. And it didn't help that crowd wise at the LNC, you can't tell the difference between an exhibition game and a regular season game. :shrug

[snow1868]

As hard you as it may be for you to believe it, I root for O State most times. I just have a lot of douche bag friends that attend O State (they were probably some of the people holding signs...) that love to bash OU and root against OU constantly. As one of my buddies said, "Hey, every week we have a chance to win twice. OSU wins or OU loses!"

But back to basketball. I think O State has a great chance to come into conference undefeated. I think the game at Tenn. poses more of a challenge than the Ford Center game against Pitt. Pitt has always been an overrated team and I think the Pokes have better athletes. Tenn. can hit the outside shot and they will O State some tough matchups. You guys can make the Big XII look really good with some wins.

And to defend myself for my faux paux about saying OU was 5-2. I was counting our two exhibition games as regular games. I guess because I have been to all the home games, it just slipped my mind that they weren't regular season. And it didn't help that crowd wise at the LNC, you can't tell the difference between an exhibition game and a regular season game. :shrug

I am not one of these types of fans, although I don't agressively root for OU, I don't root for them to lose. Other than your faux paux, you seem to know your shit and you contribute all lot of good post. Let's not let this OSU/OU is better than the other bullshit about come into everything and just talk about one of the best times of the year. Basketball and Bowl season.

Edit: Of course, we can certainly talk trash during Bedlam. It just wouldn't be the same. :D

[HolyCow]

I am not one of these types of fans, although I don't agressively root for OU, I don't root for them to lose. Other than your faux paux, you seem to know your shit and you contribute all lot of good post. Let's not let this OSU/OU is better than the other bullshit about come into everything and just talk about one of the best times of the year. Basketball and Bowl season.

Edit: Of course, we can certainly talk trash during Bedlam. It just wouldn't be the same. :D
I was reading through thinking, "But I have to talk trash during Bedlam...." and then I saw your edit. :lol

[UNC41]

Where's the poll for Ants?

Send me a PM with your top 25 by noon central on Tuesdays and you'll be included. GO HEELS!!!

[SmoothG]

Arizona beats Louisville 72-65. Anyone watch the game? Can I get any insight...particularly about Arizona...

The polls look pretty good, but I think Washington is overrated a little.

[gbs3769]

Arizona beats Louisville 72-65. Anyone watch the game?
No. After watching that absolute pathetic display of basketball beforehand, I stopped watching basketball for the night.

- Primo

[snow1868]

No. After watching that absolute pathetic display of basketball beforehand, I stopped watching basketball for the night.

- Primo

What was pathetic is that we almost handed you the victory after blowing a thirteen point lead with less than 4 min. to go.

[UNC41]

Arizona beats Louisville 72-65. Anyone watch the game? Can I get any insight...particularly about Arizona...

The polls look pretty good, but I think Washington is overrated a little.

Zona looked insanely good for the first 15 minutes of the game. They had 41 points in that span and then cooled down before half. I didn't see the second half, but they must have taken a dump because the Wildcats looked dominant for most of the first half.

Radenovic and Budinger looked impressive scoring from the floor and McClellen was aggressive and got to the line a lot. Marcus Williams was really disappointing. I'm still not sure if I believe Shakur can lead a team to a championship, but think Zona should be ranked higher than they are right now.

[twosteppn36]

What was pathetic is that we almost handed you the victory after blowing a thirteen point lead with less than 4 min. to go.

pathetic: when your 6'11 center has 1 rebound in 26 minutes

[snow1868]

pathetic: when your 6'11 center has 1 rebound in 26 minutes

True, we owned you on the boards last night, but don't hang your head too low. Syaracuse is a good team and they'll do fine the rest of the year. Plus, it's not like you lost to a bad team.

[rconverse]

How can there not be any talk about the Duke v. Holy Cross game tonight?

Match-ups that sweet, don't happen all the time you know.

[unccrombie]

True, we owned you on the boards last night, but don't hang your head too low. Syaracuse is a good team and they'll do fine the rest of the year. Plus, it's not like you lost to a bad team.
they wont win vs a ranked opponent all year

[rconverse]

How can there not be any talk about the Duke v. Holy Cross game tonight?

Match-ups that sweet, don't happen all the time you know.

Are you kidding me? Not one reply to this matchup of these two powerhouses? :confused

In all seriousness though, this year and maybe next will be two of my favorite seasons to watch. I love watching the young kids grow and improve. Then if they go deep in the tourney it is totally unexpected. :thumbsup

Oh and Carolina still sucks. :D

[HolyCow]

Man, watching OU tonight was frustrating.

[rconverse]

I bet.

The only good thing is that teams can afford losses if they learn from them and improve. If they do well the rest of the season, you are still dancing and right now, that is all that matters. Just make it to the dance and anything can happen.

[DMBfireDncr41]

How Bout dem Hoosiers

[rconverse]

How Bout dem Hoosiers

Meh, Duke beat them.

[UNC41]

How Bout dem Hoosiers

I'm not sure they are better than Kentucky. That says a lot.

[UNC41]

Chris Lofton is probably my favorite non-Tar Heel in the nation to watch. The guy is lights out and might have the smoothest jumper in the NCAA. I absolutely love watching him take over games. He's put 34 points on just 18 shots tonight. That's sick.

[unccrombie]

James Lofton is probably my favorite non-Tar Heel in the nation to watch. The guy is lights out and might have the smoothest jumper in the NBA. I absolutely love watching him take over games. He's put 34 points on just 18 shots tonight. That's sick.
as well as countless fade away 3's

[UNC41]

as well as countless fade away 3's

A couple of huge mistakes in my post I had to edit. Damn endless days at school are making me delusional. But Loften is such a treat to watch.

[clayj41]

How Bout dem Hoosiers

I was there. They played what was easily their best game of the season and looked really good. Then again, it was against Western Illinois. We'll see how they do against Kentucky. I see UK winning....:shrug

[rconverse]

Still nothing about the Dukies? :confused

You liners can act like you are all that, but at least wait until after you have whooped the devils twice this year.

Until then, PAY ATTENTION TO ME (and the Dukies)! :multi

[unccrombie]

Still nothing about the Dukies? :confused

You liners can act like you are all that, but at least wait until after you have whooped the devils twice this year.

Until then, PAY ATTENTION TO ME (and the Dukies)! :multi
struggling against HC in the first half and then finally pulling it together, what else can be said

[RJ2kWJ]

Still nothing about the Dukies? :confused

You liners can act like you are all that, but at least wait until after you have whooped the devils twice this year.

Until then, PAY ATTENTION TO ME (and the Dukies)! :multi

WOAH! WOAH! WOAH! WOAH!

Not sure if you've ever noticed... but no matter which of the two teams is struggling, no matter which of the two teams has the more star players, no matter which of the two teams has the better freshmen class... those games are ALWAYS good.

I wouldn't be surprised if we split the series AGAIN.

I love that rivalry. Both teams always show up no matter which one has the more obvious advantage.

[unccrombie]

who else is rootin for the irish?

[tankdan]

Wow, a 14-point win!

Above all, I want to rush the court before I graduate in May. Looks like UNC will be our highest-ranked home opponent, but that game comes three days after Duke, so we'll see.

Dan

[seekupig]

Wow, a 14-point win!

Above all, I want to rush the court before I graduate in May. Looks like UNC will be our highest-ranked home opponent, but that game comes three days after Duke, so we'll see.


rushing the court is one of the most overdone things in sports IMO. right up there with the "overrated" chant and tearing down goal posts.

act like you're supposed to be there.....

[RJ2kWJ]

rushing the court is one of the most overdone things in sports IMO. right up there with the "overrated" chant and tearing down goal posts.

act like you're supposed to be there.....

I agree. I was so ashamed last year when Duke rushed the courth against VIRGINIA FUCKING TECH!!!

I was SO ashamed. I couldn't believe it. I was at the game looking down and just saying to myself... "You have got to be kidding me."

Good post by you sir. :thumbsup

[unccrombie]

I agree. I was so ashamed last year when Duke rushed the courth against VIRGINIA FUCKING TECH!!!

I was SO ashamed. I couldn't believe it. I was at the game looking down and just saying to myself... "You have got to be kidding me."

Good post by you sir. :thumbsup
duke rushing the court for anything but a national title is creepy. i remember seeing that and wondering when the world would implode. though back in the day when mid majors we're considered under dogs it was totally ok :lol

[gbs3769]

duke rushing the court for anything but a national title is creepy. i remember seeing that and wondering when the world would implode. though back in the day when mid majors we're considered under dogs it was totally ok :lol
Duke rushing the court for anything is wrong.

This is an old article that apparently is only for Insiders anymore by Pat Forde about this from last year I believe it was.

http://proxy.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=forde_pat&id=2306416

- Primo

[gbs3769]

Above all, I want to rush the court before I graduate in May.
:lame

There have been two times that I have ever "rushed the court".

The first was on January 24, 2000 when #5 Syracuse beat #6 UConn. We tied the school record at 16-0 to start the season and went on to win three more games to set a new school record before losing to Seton Hall because Shaheen Holloway knocked down 6 threes in the game.

After that, I never "rushed the court" until April 7, 2003 when everyone that wasn't in New Orleans was in the Carrier Dome to watch the 'Cuse win the National Championship. We all ran onto the football field to celebrate after the win because that was as close to "rushing the court" as we could get.

- Primo

[unccrombie]

:lame

There have been two times that I have ever "rushed the court".

The first was on January 24, 2000 when #5 Syracuse beat #6 UConn. We tied the school record at 16-0 to start the season and went on to win three more games to set a new school record before losing to Seton Hall because Shaheen Holloway knocked down 6 threes in the game.

After that, I never "rushed the court" until April 7, 2003 when everyone that wasn't in New Orleans was in the Carrier Dome to watch the 'Cuse win the National Championship. We all ran onto the football field to celebrate after the win because that was as close to "rushing the court" as we could get.

- Primo
like i said, national championships should be acceptable

[willthethrill]

We didn't even think about rushing the court when we beat OSU. There's something about tradition that makes rushing the court petty for anything less than a huge upset over Dook or a national championship. We probably would've rushed the court against Dook had we beat them at home, and we definitely rushed Franklin Street when we beat 'em on JJ's senior night.

Primo makes a good point. Every college student in America should be forced to read that article.

[41ravens]

i was at the osu vs. illinois game 2 years ago when osu beat illinois in the final regular season game to end illinois' undefeated season. illinois was #1 at the time too, i believe. i thought it was acceptable when the fans rushed the court. other than that, though, i'm with you guys. duke fans rushing the court against v. tech was ridiculous.

[SteelerMan]

We didn't even think about rushing the court when we beat OSU. There's something about tradition that makes rushing the court petty for anything less than a huge upset over Dook or a national championship. We probably would've rushed the court against Dook had we beat them at home, and we definitely rushed Franklin Street when we beat 'em on JJ's senior night.

Primo makes a good point. Every college student in America should be forced to read that article.

During the UNC-OSU game, I was wondering if UNC fans would rush the court... I mean, they did knock off the #1 ranked team in the country. I was pretty relieved when they didn't.

[gbs3769]

i was at the osu vs. illinois game 2 years ago when osu beat illinois in the final regular season game to end illinois' undefeated season. illinois was #1 at the time too, i believe. i thought it was acceptable when the fans rushed the court. other than that, though, i'm with you guys. duke fans rushing the court against v. tech was ridiculous.
Here is that portion of the article. It was published in January of 2006.

TO STORM OR NOT TO STORM

Within the last 10 days, those crazy college kids from Michigan, Iowa, Indiana, Georgetown, St. John's and Tennessee have stormed the basketball court to celebrate big victories -- and for the chance to act like lunatics on TV. ("Look, Martha, there's our boy! Yes, the shirtless one with his face and torso painted, howling like a savage and jumping on that other child's back. ... Is that a whiskey flask in his back pocket?")

After watching all these giddy group gropes, it's high time to publish the Forde Minutes Court-Storming Protocol Guide. Students are advised to read the following rules and to act accordingly the next time their team agitates them to the edge of hoops ecstasy:

• The Old Money Principle (2): Look up at the ceiling of your gym and count the banners. If your school has won three or more national titles in its history, you shall not rush the floor at any time. Schools affected: UCLA (11 titles), Kentucky (seven), Indiana (five), North Carolina (four), Duke (three).

Your program has won big games before. Act like it.

The Old Money Principle clearly puts the Indiana student body in violation of The Forde Minutes' protocol. Especially when the vanquished team, Illinois, owns zero national titles of its own. How terribly tacky.

The Illini did not even qualify for a Minutes Protocol Exception (3), which states that if your august basketball program has hit the skids to a dispiriting degree (Indiana has missed the last two NCAA Tournaments), a storming is allowable under certain conditions:

Condition A (4): The opponent is ranked No. 1 and/or undefeated at least halfway through the season (14 or more games). Illinois was merely ranked fifth in the ESPN/USA Today coaches' poll and already had a loss on the season.

Condition B (5): Your august program defeats a top-five team on a suitably miraculous shot (25 feet or farther) at the buzzer, spurring spontaneous joy that overrides better impulses. (The Indiana-Illinois game went down to the wire, but it wasn't won at the buzzer on a prayer.)

Condition C (6): You are so intoxicated that you cannot remember the opponent's ranking, or how many titles your school has won. But be forewarned that The Minutes will not pay your bail if you're the lone trespasser on the court and wind up in cuffs.

Condition D (7): You see college hoops fan Ashley Judd (8) sitting at the other end of the court, and you know that the shortest distance to her is a straight line.

• The Upper-Middle Class Principle (8): If your school has won multiple national titles, you are generally discouraged from storming the court unless you have defeated one of the above blue bloods, and only at the last second. Schools affected: Kansas, Louisville, Oklahoma State, Cincinnati, San Francisco, Michigan State, Connecticut, North Carolina State.

However, stormings are allowable under the following conditions:

Ancient History Exception (9): If your national titles predate Texas Western's, you are free to storm the court for any dramatic win over a top-five team. Schools affected: Oklahoma State, San Francisco, Cincinnati.

Semi-Ancient History Exception (10): If your national titles predate the 3-point shot, you are free to storm the court for any dramatic win over a No. 1-ranked team. Schools affected: Louisville and North Carolina State; Kansas and Michigan State halfway (one title before the three, one after).

Current power Connecticut (two titles in the last seven years) is discouraged from rushing the court under any but the most extraordinary circumstances, such as beating the No. 1 team on an eyes-closed, left-handed hook shot from half court.

• The Middle Class Principle (11): If your program plays in a major conference, has some basketball heritage and takes itself fairly seriously, court stormings should be reserved for: upsetting a top five team; knocking off an unbeaten league rival of particular dislike; ending a period of extreme and elongated futility against an arch rival; clinching a conference championship.

Under this principle, Iowa is hereby indicted for its floor rush Tuesday night after beating No. 11 Indiana. (In fact, it's flatly inexcusable on any level, other than the boredom that January in Iowa City can precipitate.) Michigan is granted clemency under the elongated-futility-against-an-arch-rival clause. Georgetown, St. John's and Tennessee were all cleared for liftoff last Saturday.

(Although The Minutes fully understands the Rocky Top rush, the SEC did not. It fined the Volunteers $5,000 for failing to keep the students off the floor, a violation of the league's sportsmanship policy. The Minutes fails to see the clear and present danger. This isn't football, where the fans mount heavy metal objects and send them crashing down upon the mob below. First time they tear down a basket stanchion, a fine will be in order. Not until then.)

• The Lower Class Principle (12): If your team plays in a mid-major or low-major league and manages to coax (or trick) a BCS-conference school into visiting and you win the game, a storming is allowed. Exceptions: Memphis, Gonzaga or any other school whose program is demonstrably larger than its conference profile. Also: beating a certifiably horrible BCS-conference school (Baylor, Arizona State, Purdue, South Florida or anyone with an RPI worse than 150) is not worth the effort.

The Bottom Feeder Principle (13): If you're North Dakota State, still on the D-I taxi squad, and you shock Wisconsin? Go crazy. Even if it's a road game. Break into the home gym and storm that sucker.

• The Morehead State Principle (14): The Eagles are 0-15 against NCAA competition. Any 8-0 run is justifiable incentive to rush the floor.

- Primo

[chiznaz]

Well what can I say. I wish A&M would have at least squeezed out 1 win between LSU and UCLA. I was pleased with the way we played UCLA today, but we could have done without as many turnovers. UCLA has some sick defensive players, and definitely showed they are #1 today.

I really hope refs don't all want to suck of Big Baby like the ones were doing at the game last Tues.;) Anyways, I think A&M will peak at the right time, and this week really prepared them for BigXII play.

Oh and I hope the stupid cop who pulled me over while on my way to LSU has some bad luck coming her way. I think it's funny how my ticket was enough to give half the people in that god-for-saken town one dollar. Small town cops blow, and Waffel House is by far the best place to pit stop during road trips. :thumbsup

[SmoothG]

Obviously RPI doesn't mean anything at this point in the season, but found this somewhere and thought it might be at least interesting to look at. I am an Arizona Wildcat fan, so I suppose I am a little happy, but there is a lot of time left till March when it really matters. Anyway, these are Pomeroy's stats which include all games through Saturday December 9th.

RPI:
1 Arizona
2 Wichita State
3 UCLA
4 Duke
5 Butler
6 UNC
7 Arkansas
8 Oregon
9 Pitt
10 Southern Methodist

Strength of Schedule:
1 Arizona
2 Arkansas Pine Bluff
3 Delaware State
4 Duke
5 Louisville
6 UNC
7 Texas Southern
8 Wichita State
9 UNLV
10 Toledo

RPI (conferences):
1 ACC
2 MVC
3 Pac-10
4 SEC
5 Big 10
6 Big East
7 MWC
8 Big 12
9 C-USA
10 WAC

Offense (adjusted for SOS):
1 Air Force
2 Florida
3 UNC
4 Arizona
5 Notre Dame
6 Villanova
7 Bradley
8 Pitt
9 Ohio State
10 Georgia Tech

Defense (adjusted for SOS):
1 Duke
2 Oklahoma
3 UConn
4 Florida
5 Michigan State
6 Texas A&M
7 Oregon
8 Maryland
9 Georgia
10 Mississippi State

[justinandimcool]

LSU/Texas was insanity.

[HolyCow]

Defense (adjusted for SOS):
1 Duke
2 Oklahoma
3 UConn
4 Florida
5 Michigan State
6 Texas A&M
7 Oregon
8 Maryland
9 Georgia
10 Mississippi State
Woo!

[RJ2kWJ]

LSU/Texas was insanity.

Hell of a game. :thumbsup

[mizzoudmbfan]

Nice video tribute for one of the best coaches in the game today. A little too much dark blue in it for my liking(I guess thats what happens when you take a school to two Final Fours and win over 400 games there);) .

http://mfile.akamai.com/8108/wmv/cstvcbs.download.akamai.com/8108/open/unc/06-07/video/m-baskbl/12dec/120906_unc_m-baskbl_feat.asx

[UNC41]

PM me your polls by noon tomorrow and I'll get the AM.org poll up between my finals.

[seekupig]

Nice video tribute for one of the best coaches in the game today. A little too much dark blue in it for my liking(I guess thats what happens when you take a school to two Final Fours and win over 400 games there);) .


don't you mean 4 final fours there? :D

[UNC41]

If Morris left Kentucky would go from mediocre to shitty.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AvKnaMc1LBZNyBPHOk.LDrS8vLYF?slug=aw-morris121106&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

[UNC41]

Week 4 Ants College Basketball Poll

1. UCLA (2)
2.(tie) Pitt
UNC
4. Ohio St.
5. Florida
6. Wisconsin
7. Wichita St.
8. Duke
9.(tie) Alabama
Arizona
11. Kansas
12. LSU
13. Oklahoma St.
14. Connecticut
15. Gonzaga
16. Texas A&M
17. Butler
18. Washington
19. Memphis
20. Marquette
21. Oregon
22. Notre Dame
23. Air Force
24.(tie) Nevada
Texas

Also Receiving Votes: Clemson
Clemson

Participating Member: UNC41, clayj41

[clayj41]

It's seems as though you and I are the only one's who ever submit polls.:lol

[UNC41]

It's seems as though you and I are the only one's who ever submit polls.:lol

I have a feeling seekupig will be joining us regularly. Also, I think we'll get more once conference play heats up and college football dies down. For now, it's just us two studs.

[snow1868]

I just keep forgetting dammit. I'll submit one next week fellas.

[seekupig]

I have a feeling seekupig will be joining us regularly.

:thumbsup

i won't miss a week from now on. it's been a bit crazy at work, but i'll just start sending mine on monday's. if there's anything that changes from the monday night games, i'll just send you an updated poll.

[SoRight24]

Yeah I keep forgetting too!

I plan on being part of the poll quite regularly once I remember to fucking do it! ;)

[UNC41]

We've got a bunch of talkers. I'll believe it when the PMs start coming in. :)

[clayj41]

Yeah, if anything I may stop sending polls these next few weeks while I'm on Christmas Break.:shrug

[chiznaz]

I'll start putting in my input once finals are over. A&M at 16 is just not going to cut it:)

[UNC41]

I'll start putting in my input once finals are over. A&M at 16 is just not going to cut it:)

Tell your boys to beat a good team then.

[UNC41]

Here's ESPN.com's latest Power 16. The second link is each individual voters poll.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/powerranking?week=6&pollId=1

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=2697434

Some of the really agree with me that Duke's overrated and not the sixth best team in the country. Two people left them out all together. Before anyone bitches about this, note that former Blue Devil Jay Bilas was one of those two.Dukie V has them rated highest at sixth.

[chiznaz]

Tell your boys to beat a good team then.


Tell teams not to back down from committing to play us (ie. Gonzaga). Maybe if teams will commit to a home/away series with us, we could have a better nonconference games. And don't worry, we'll beat plenty of good teams for people this year:rolleyes

[RJ2kWJ]

Here's ESPN.com's latest Power 16. The second link is each individual voters poll.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/powerranking?week=6&pollId=1

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=2697434

Some of the really agree with me that Duke's overrated and not the sixth best team in the country. Two people left them out all together. Before anyone bitches about this, note that former Blue Devil Jay Bilas was one of those two.Dukie V has them rated highest at sixth.

I agree we arent...

Our turnovers are killing us... it is nice to win while they fix these problems though.

[UNC41]

Tell teams not to back down from committing to play us (ie. Gonzaga). Maybe if teams will commit to a home/away series with us, we could have a better nonconference games. And don't worry, we'll beat plenty of good teams for people this year:rolleyes

I was just giving you shit. I don't know the whole story behind what happened with Gonzaga, but one thing that's for sure is they are not afraid to play anybody. This year's non-conference schedule includes North Carolina, Duke, Texas, Washington, Nevada, Memphis and Virginia.

[seekupig]

I was just giving you shit. I don't know the whole story behind what happened with Gonzaga, but one thing that's for sure is they are not afraid to play anybody. This year's non-conference schedule includes North Carolina, Duke, Texas, Washington, Nevada, Memphis and Virginia.

:thumbsup :thumbsup
Texas a&m is going to be a good team.... not as good as KU, but good enough to make the tourney.....

[chiznaz]

I was just giving you shit. I don't know the whole story behind what happened with Gonzaga, but one thing that's for sure is they are not afraid to play anybody. This year's non-conference schedule includes North Carolina, Duke, Texas, Washington, Nevada, Memphis and Virginia.

Yeah I know you were:) My bad if I sounded like I was pissed, I really wasn't. I just like to support my team way too much. You also bring up a good point about Gonzaga.

I'll be the first to say I look at A&M and the rest of the NCAA with some heavy maroon shaded glasses:) Anyways I guess from an outsiders view, they would want to see A&M win a big one on a broadcasted game. Not eveyone has the privledge of seeing all of our home games. Just kidding;)

I'm interested in seeing UNC playing Saint Louis. I know comparing teams by a mutual matchup is one of the worst ways to compare teams, but I want to see how a team with more athletes handles a team we've played.

One more thing, I am really tempted to get a ticket to the A&M game @KU. The thing holding me back is the long ass drive that I would have to do. I have some friends flying there, but driving to and from Kansas from College Station in one weekend might be too much (even with my roommate with me).

[SatelliteEyes]

Hey how about my Badgers cleaning up with Pitt today? It was total domination from about the 10 minute mark to the end. Bucky should probably be about 4th now. The games against Ohio State will be a lot of fun this year.

[UNC41]

Hey how about my Badgers cleaning up with Pitt today? It was total domination from about the 10 minute mark to the end. Bucky should probably be about 4th now. The games against Ohio State will be a lot of fun this year.

Great win for Wisconsin. I've thought Pitt was overrated and Wisconsin has been underrated for sometime. Still, I feel fantastic thinking that Butch wouldn't come close to sniffing the starting lineup at UNC.

[HolyCow]

Hey how about my Badgers cleaning up with Pitt today? It was total domination from about the 10 minute mark to the end. Bucky should probably be about 4th now. The games against Ohio State will be a lot of fun this year.
oh yeah? well the Sooners cleaned out UT Arlington tonight.




And the Badgers are dang good. no longer a good sleeper for the final four, because they should be a favorite to get there.

[UNC41]

Carolina would wipe the floor with UCLA. I'm hammered, but it's true.

[unccrombie]

what the hell is goin on with the zags? talk about not playing to your potential

[unccrombie]

espn/usa today

1. UCLA (29) 9-0 772
2. North Carolina 8-1 732
3. Ohio State (2) 9-1 722
4. Florida 9-2 620
5. Wisconsin 11-1 615
6. Duke 9-1 592
7. Pittsburgh 10-1 560
8. Wichita State 8-0 518
9. Arizona 8-1 501
10. Alabama 9-1 499
11. Connecticut 9-0 493
12. Kansas 8-2 437
13. Texas A&M 9-2 366
14. Oklahoma State 11-0 320
15. LSU 6-2 319
16. Butler 11-1 300
17. Washington 8-1 288
18. Memphis 8-2 223
19. Air Force 11-1 207
20. Nevada 9-1 168
21. Marquette 10-2 130
22. Clemson 10-0 117
23. Oregon 10-0 116
24. Gonzaga 9-3 108
25. Michigan State 10-2 87

[HolyCow]

Obi Munuelo (sp?) out for the season with a broken ankle.

Oklahoma St is now down to 7 scholarship players.

[snow1868]

Obi Munuelo (sp?) out for the season with a broken ankle.

Oklahoma St is now down to 7 scholarship players.

:BANG :BANG :BANG :BANG This was the first piece of news I heard today when I got to work. I've been a little bummed all day.

[SmoothG]

I just want to chime in again for the Pac 10 who has some teams playing great! The last couple of years have been a little rough, but it seems there are a lot of teams playing solid basketball. I like Pac 10 conference play because every team plays 2 times home/away. UCLA, Arizona, Washington, Washington State and Oregon are all playing great. Anyway, I want to say Arizona is playing great team basketball. All 5 starters average double figures and have a very balanced offense. And their defense is coming around...held Houston, which is the #2 scoring offense to 30 below their average. And Mustafa Shakur is finally playing like the player we recruited 4 years ago. Go Cats!

[darbini]

Georgia over Gonzaga, Tennessee over OSU, now it's Florida's turn to upset Ohio State(hopefully, gonna be tough)!!

[unccrombie]

Georgia over Gonzaga, Tennessee over OSU, now it's Florida's turn to upset Ohio State(hopefully, gonna be tough)!!
thats no upset

[emu513]

To be honest, I don't think Florida is going to be within 15 of Ohio State.

[emu513]

And by 15, I mean, that's too much and I change it to 10.

[HolyCow]

:BANG :BANG :BANG :BANG This was the first piece of news I heard today when I got to work. I've been a little bummed all day.
yeah, i bet it didn't help that you outplayed Tenn. but somehow lost.

[dmb71687]

Ohhhh how I love seeing my Wisconsin Badgers in the top 5.

[unccrombie]

yeah, i bet it didn't help that you outplayed Tenn. but somehow lost.
i wouldnt say outplayed, tenn had great d down the stretch, but around the 3-5 mark i thought they we're getting a little sloppy getting caught in the air. despite ok st leading for most of the game you never got the feeling they had this one

[snow1868]

i wouldnt say outplayed, tenn had great d down the stretch, but around the 3-5 mark i thought they we're getting a little sloppy getting caught in the air. despite ok st leading for most of the game you never got the feeling they had this one

You said it best. Even though we were up by six most of the second half, I just knew we were going to blow this game. We were so freaking careless with ball last night, we deserved to lose that game. Now this Pitt game on Thursday is going to be even better with both teams looking to avoid a two game losing skid.

[UNC41]

Since I didn't post it yesterday, the deadline for this week's poll will be at 5:00 central.

[gbs3769]

http://www.cusehoops.com is up and running. I'm adding content as I get to it.

- Primo

[seekupig]

Now this Pitt game on Thursday is going to be even better with both teams looking to avoid a two game losing skid.

two overrated teams battling each other to see who gets to stay overrated....;)

[snow1868]

two overrated teams battling each other to see who gets to stay overrated....;)

Overrated....isn't KU where the term overrated originated from? ;)

[seekupig]

Overrated....isn't KU where the term overrated originated from? ;)

no, you're confusing overrated with tournament choke artists.....

[snow1868]

no, you're confusing overrated with tournament choke artists.....

Ooops. That's what I ment. :D

[UNC41]

Week 5 Ants College Basketball Poll

1. UCLA (2)
2. UNC
3.(tie) Wisconsin
Ohio St.
5. Florida
6. Wichita St.
7.(tie) Pittsburgh
Kansas
Arizona
10. Duke
11. LSU
12. Texas A&M
13. Alabama
14.(tie) Butler
UConn
16. Washington
17. Oklahoma St.
18. Memphis
19. Oregon
20. Gonzaga
21. Notre Dame
22. Marquette
23. Air Force
24. Syracuse
25. Texas

Also Receiving Votes: Nevada

Participating Member: UNC41, seekupig

[SoRight24]

Wow....we just SMACKED FAU.

Good win.

9-1!

[SatelliteEyes]

Ohhhh how I love seeing my Wisconsin Badgers in the top 5.

On, Wisconsin! On, Wisconsin!
Plunge right through that line!
Run the ball clear down the field,
A touchdown sure this time.
On, Wisconsin! On, Wisconsin!
Fight on for her fame
Fight! Fellows! - fight, fight, fight!
We'll win this game.

On, Wisconsin! On, Wisconsin!
Stand up, Badgers, sing!
"Forward" is our driving spirit,
Loyal voices ring.
On, Wisconsin! On, Wisconsin!
Raise her glowing flame
Stand, Fellows, let us now
Salute her name!

[SatelliteEyes]

Ohio State, Florida, Wisconsin.

Three schools that currently have top 5 Basketball teams and top 6 football teams. Oh, and Wisconsin is your national champion in Hockey as well.

[UNC41]

Ohio State, Florida, Wisconsin.

Three schools that currently have top 5 Basketball teams and top 6 football teams. Oh, and Wisconsin is your national champion in Hockey as well.

North Carolina.

A school is better than all three mentioned in your post at basketball. And since that's all that really matters in this thread ... :bounce :bounce :bounce

[chiznaz]

:thumbsup with the ants poll. that looks good to me

[gbs3769]

I think Syracuse is getting recognition in that poll only because of our history.

We are not a Top 25 team.

- Primo

[unccrombie]

I think Syracuse is getting recognition in that poll only because of our history.

We are not a Top 25 team.

- Primo
agreed. its been that way since melo left

[gbs3769]

agreed. its been that way since melo left
The following two years we still had a solid team with Warrick, Pace, and McNamara all producing.

- Primo

[unccrombie]

The following two years we still had a solid team with Warrick, Pace, and McNamara all producing.

- Primo
they were good, but not as good as they were rated. did anyone figure out what happened with edelin?

[gbs3769]

they were good, but not as good as they were rated. did anyone figure out what happened with edelin?
Unfortunately no. My dad was still working at the TV station at the time and no one knew what was going on.

- Primo

[SoRight24]

Go Zags.

[snow1868]

Arrrrrrrggggggghhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!! This game is killing me! Come on Pokes!

[bubba40]

Greg Paulus just got pwned by the scorer's table.

[justinandimcool]

Hopefully Kobe's taking notes...

[seekupig]

Arrrrrrrggggggghhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!! This game is killing me! Come on Pokes!

BIG XII. :thumbsup :thumbsup

[bubba40]

What I gathered tonight from an evening of watching hoops...
-Paulus is a solid player, once again he looked damn good down the stretch.
-OK State is going to be a tough out in the NCAA tournament.
-Vitale continues to be borderline embracing the other (petrified) commentator when the camera pans to the broadcast team during breaks in the game.

[chiznaz]

nice job by OSU you tonight. As much as I would love to have the best record amongst the BigXII, I realize it's important for every BigXII team to win out in non-conference. The RPI rankings will help in the long run. It's crazy the more things you notice and take in to account once your school has a legitiment basketball team :lol

On the other hand, I doubt a lot of ppl agree with me here. I can't wait for Bobby Knight breaks the all time wins record. His teams epitomize what I love and look for in a college basketball team. 100% effort and fundementals along with a sound man-to-man defensive minded team. I also love and played in a motion offense in high school. It's a brilliant offensive philosophy. Say what you want about the guys character/personality, but there is no denying he makes his players better people on and off the court. And any one who has the balls to throw a chair onto the court when refs get incredibly bad gets a big :thumbsup in my book. jk:p



edit: sorry about and bad spelling, im a couple drinks into the night/morning.

[UNC41]

nice job by OSU you tonight. As much as I would love to have the best record amongst the BigXII, I realize it's important for every BigXII team to win out in non-conference. The RPI rankings will help in the long run. It's crazy the more things you notice and take in to account once your school has a legitiment basketball team :lol

On the other hand, I doubt a lot of ppl agree with me here. I can't wait for Bobby Knight breaks the all time wins record. His teams epitomize what I love and look for in a college basketball team. 100% effort and fundementals along with a sound man-to-man defensive minded team. I also love and played in a motion offense in high school. It's a brilliant offensive philosophy. Say what you want about the guys character/personality, but there is no denying he makes his players better people on and off the