Preseason NCAA Basketball Poll is released

[budgrove]

could it be a 3rd OT....

[budgrove]

what an unreal game...

[justinandimcool]

Fucking epic game.

[seekupig]

:multi :multi

big xii playing some great basketball.....

[willthethrill]

This is bordering on the WF-UNC 3OT game three years ago.

[UNC41]

The longer it goes, the more you have to think it favors Texas because of depth.

[willthethrill]

The longer it goes, the more you have to think it favors Texas because of depth.
Don't forget that OSU has the crowd on their bench. I agree though.

[dmb71687]

Ahhh, I didn't know this thread existed haha.

Yes, incredibly unreal game.

[seekupig]

Ahhh, I didn't know this thread existed haha.

welcome.... :)

[justinandimcool]

Wow, this is killing me. Gotta get a shot better than that. Curry had the perfect lane for a drive and dish.

[UNC41]

Fuck the Austrailian Open. Don't let this game end.

[willthethrill]

Fuck the Austrailian Open. Don't let this game end.
Yeah! Let Andre watch with us like a normal person!

[dmb71687]

welcome.... :)

Thank you!

Fuck the Austrailian Open. Don't let this game end.

And hell yes, I'm praying for a 4th OT.

[justinandimcool]

Unbelievable. Miss the free throw Kevin!

[willthethrill]

Oh my god. Why wouldn't you draft this guy over Oden?

[budgrove]

i dont think i've ever seen a 4 ot game

[dmb71687]

Oh my god. Why wouldn't you draft this guy over Oden?

I agree, I don't know if Oden going #1 will be so certain after the season, maybe even after this game.

[willthethrill]

That. Was. Incredible.

[budgrove]

congrats...ok state fans, great game. will be on espn classic this weekend!!!

[dmb71687]

Wow....

[justinandimcool]

YEAH YEAH YEAH!!!! :multi :multi :multi

January Madness.


Hoorah for my dark horse Final 4 team ;)

[seekupig]

game of the year..... so far....

[UNC41]

WOW. Just wow. That was an insane shot. Hell of a game.

[willthethrill]

Damn, I'm spent. Good night.

[budgrove]

how do you go to tennis after a game like that?

[unccrombie]

i wanted a 4th, wow

[seekupig]

YEAH YEAH YEAH!!!! :multi :multi :multi

January Madness.


Hoorah for my dark horse Final 4 team ;)

looks like my Jayhawks woke your dark horse up last week.....:lol

[justinandimcool]

looks like my Jayhawks woke your dark horse up last week.....:lol


:lol :thumbsup

Here's to not seeing them in March.

[UNC41]

I think Texas will be the scarier matchup come March. They'll be seeded lower and have a full season of Big XII ball under their belts.

The one thing that bugs me about Durant's game is when he relys on the three too much when he can get to the basket effortlessly. I hope he doesn't turn out like T-Mac in that regard.

[Jambi]

Damn. I love college basketball.

[RJ2kWJ]

That game was absolutely incredible. SO glad I decided to watch it. Both of those teams will be a menace in March. Durant and Boggan are simply animals.

[dmb71687]

I think Texas will be the scarier matchup come March. They'll be seeded lower and have a full season of Big XII ball under their belts.

The one thing that bugs me about Durant's game is when he relys on the three too much when he can get to the basket effortlessly. I hope he doesn't turn out like T-Mac in that regard.

Real good point, and I agree 100%. He has an amazing ability to get to the rim and finish, due to his unbelieveable quickness, size, and vertical. He could definitely be special, or he could be T-Mac jr.

[UNC41]

Real good point, and I agree 100%. He has an amazing ability to get to the rim and finish, due to his unbelieveable quickness, size, and vertical. He could definitely be special, or he could be T-Mac jr.

What's amazing is we are comparing his downside to being like T-Mac.

[seekupig]

so, where does the Big XII rank as far as conferences go? i think the Pac-10 being ranked first in RPI is a joke......... where do you guys rank the conferences at?

[UNLTrpt]

damn 3 OT's. I'm absolutely frightened to play OSU and Texas. We're gonna get smoked.

and kansas.

damn do we need this victory at OU tomorrow.

[justinandimcool]

so, where does the Big XII rank as far as conferences go? i think the Pac-10 being ranked first in RPI is a joke......... where do you guys rank the conferences at?

SEC
Big 12
Pac 10
ACC
Big 10
Big East

IMHO.

[UNC41]

so, where does the Big XII rank as far as conferences go? i think the Pac-10 being ranked first in RPI is a joke......... where do you guys rank the conferences at?

If you are going by depth I think it's the ACC or SEC. They however, lack another Texas A&M/Oregon type team. I think they Pac-10 and Big XII are fairly similar.

UCLA/Kansas
Oregon/Texas A&M
Arizona/Oklahoma State
Washington State/Texas

The Big 10 and Big East are way too thin to be in the discussion.

[justinandimcool]

If you are going by depth I think it's the ACC or SEC. They however, lack another Texas A&M/Oregon type team. I think they Pac-10 and Big XII are fairly similar.

UCLA/Kansas
Oregon/Texas A&M
Arizona/Oklahoma State
Washington State/Texas

The Big 10 and Big East are way too thin to be in the discussion.

USC ;)



jaykay.




But we'll see this Thursday night when they take Arizona down.

[snow1868]

I think I can breath now. Game of the year so far, with the play of the year as well. Damn this game was hard to watch, Durant is a beast and can score on anyone.

Boggan looks to have gotten over the Kansas game and JamesOn was looking good as well. Harris and Hatch were the unsung heroes of this game. Harris was grabbing boards, scorring points and played great defense. Hatch came off the bench and did exactly what he was supposed to do. He's not a scorer but he can play defense and he had that moster shot with the and one. Damn, I love Cowboy basketball.

[UNC41]

What I want to know is how Oregon is ranked 9/10 in this week's polls. I think they should be no lower than sixth. Ohio St., Pitt and Texas A&M have lost all the games they've played against elite college basketball teams. The only win over a ranked opponent is the Buckeyes defeat of Tennessee this weekend. Oregon, meanwhile, has beaten both UCLA and Arizona. Sure, the losses for the schools ranked higher than the Ducks have come on the road, but Oregon defeated Zona on the road this weekend.

[unccrombie]

i still cant believe that half court turn around one handed heave to beat the shot clock

[DMBfan41]

Oklahoma State and Texas - one of the best games i've watched in awhile

[seekupig]

What I want to know is how Oregon is ranked 9/10 in this week's polls. I think they should be no lower than sixth. Ohio St., Pitt and Texas A&M have lost all the games they've played against elite college basketball teams. The only win over a ranked opponent is the Buckeyes defeat of Tennessee this weekend. Oregon, meanwhile, has beaten both UCLA and Arizona. Sure, the losses for the schools ranked higher than the Ducks have come on the road, but Oregon defeated Zona on the road this weekend.


i agree. it's another reason i don't like preseason polls. people rank how good you are before they've seen you play, and that's usually just a ranking of team history, returning players and the number of incoming McDonald's All-Americans. if you start the season unranked or towards the bottom of the Top 25, it's hard to move your way into the top 5 reguardless of how well you start out. if they make a strong run in the Pac 10 and don't lose any of the games they should win, it'll work out for them in the end. at least at the end of the day though, college basketball settles it on the court.....

[snow1868]

i still cant believe that half court turn around one handed heave to beat the shot clock

Simply amazing. I couldn't belive that went in.

[snow1868]

For those that missed the best game of the year so far, it will be re-aired on ESPN Classic on Thursday at 5pm EST.

[UNLTrpt]

i agree. it's another reason i don't like preseason polls. people rank how good you are before they've seen you play, and that's usually just a ranking of team history, returning players and the number of incoming McDonald's All-Americans. if you start the season unranked or towards the bottom of the Top 25, it's hard to move your way into the top 5 reguardless of how well you start out. if they make a strong run in the Pac 10 and don't lose any of the games they should win, it'll work out for them in the end. at least at the end of the day though, college basketball settles it on the court.....

but the thing is, the polls don't even matter. they don't determine anything. They're there for us to talk about, that's it.

CFB, on the other hand, needs to get rid of preseason polls.

[seekupig]

but the thing is, the polls don't even matter. they don't determine anything. They're there for us to talk about, that's it.

CFB, on the other hand, needs to get rid of preseason polls.

they do have a hand in determining seeding, but not much else.

[watchtower41]

That game last night was incredibly exciting. Durant is just ridiculously talented, and he wasn't even close to the top of his game. Too bad he got basically no help on defense. Texas is going to struggle against better all-around teams because of their lack of size and post scoring, unless of course Durant just goes nuts. He is the best frosh I've seen in years....including Oden.

[UNLTrpt]

they do have a hand in determining seeding, but not much else.

they do? I thought it was all based on RPI and SOS.

[seekupig]

they do? I thought it was all based on RPI and SOS.

i think RPI and SOS are used more to decide which bubble teams get in or are left out. once the field is decided, rankings, geography, and matchups are used to finalize seedings....

[seekupig]

the latest bracketology is up......

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/bracketology

[chiznaz]

Yeah so college station has been frozen over for a couple days now. They keep delaying the ticket pull for the OSU game this saturday. The game has been sold out for the past week, with 4200 student tickets left. I went a hour before tickets for the students were open, only to find out they delayed it another day.

I froze my a$$ of in below freezing weather for nothing:lol Looks like now I have to get up at 6am to make sure I'm in line for the 7am ticket pull tomorrow.

[tyler1389]

I am just now getting over the game... im a huge Ok State fan. Its going to be hell playing down in Austin. Its important to remember that OSU won that game with 3 of their usual starters on the bench (Cooper, Eaton, and Dove). I've only seen Hatch play in two games so far.

I can't wait to see Texas and KU play.

[unccrombie]

I am just now getting over the game... im a huge Ok State fan. Its going to be hell playing down in Austin. Its important to remember that OSU won that game with 3 of their usual starters on the bench (Cooper, Eaton, and Dove). I've only seen Hatch play in two games so far.

I can't wait to see Texas and KU play.
he better start hittin his FTs or he's gonna get a hachet

[clayj41]

the latest bracketology is up......

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/bracketology

That IU-Texas Tech matchup would be intriguing...

[willthethrill]

77-55. We did a lot of bad things and still won by 22. I dunno whether that's good or bad.

[budgrove]

i am a huge pitt fan and i know a lot of you think they are over-rated and they might be. but i will be the first to admit that no one should beat north carolina! they are incredible! the chemistry, youth, and coaching is unbelievable. i've followed carolina for a long time, and to me this looks like one of the best teams they have had...

[unccrombie]

su was up 20 over cinci at home, devendorf hit 2 free throws to win it 77-76. awesome endging

[unccrombie]

i am a huge pitt fan and i know a lot of you think they are over-rated and they might be. but i will be the first to admit that no one should beat north carolina! they are incredible! the chemistry, youth, and coaching is unbelievable. i've followed carolina for a long time, and to me this looks like one of the best teams they have had...
youth brings sloppiness, make them get sloppy and yes, you should win

[UNLTrpt]

and we laid a deuce at OU....great.

[bubba40]

i am a huge pitt fan and i know a lot of you think they are over-rated and they might be. but i will be the first to admit that no one should beat north carolina! they are incredible! the chemistry, youth, and coaching is unbelievable. i've followed carolina for a long time, and to me this looks like one of the best teams they have had...

Pitt isn't overrated. You guys are a damn good team that could make a Final Four run.

[UNC41]

77-55. We did a lot of bad things and still won by 22. I dunno whether that's good or bad.

I don't think I've ever seen a team with worse point guard play win a game by 22 points. Ty and Q both played by far their worst games of the season. From the way UNC played you wouldn't have thinked they waxed a legit Top 25 team by more than 20 on the road in conference play.

EDIT: Carolina did play some absolutely fantastic defense tonight though.

[UNC41]

Pitt isn't overrated. You guys are a damn good team that could make a Final Four run.

I think Pitt's overrated. They are much closer to the 12th best team in the nation than the 6th.

[budgrove]

i hope pitt goes to the final four, but i dont think they will. i dont think that they are outside the top ten though. we will see...

[unccrombie]

I don't think I've ever seen a team with worse point guard play win a game by 22 points. Ty and Q both played by far their worst games of the season. From the way UNC played you wouldn't have thinked they waxed a legit Top 25 team by more than 20 on the road in conference play.

EDIT: Carolina did play some absolutely fantastic defense tonight though.
i dont think theyre a legit top 25

side note, craig smith wont be playing for BC anymore. the dumbass got in trouble for posession of weed

[HolyCow]

and we laid a deuce at OU....great.

Boomer.

[tyler1389]

Boomer.

since i don't live in oklahoma anymore, i dont get to hear any opinions on oklahoma sports teams... so i've been wondering, how are people receiving the new ou basketball coach?

[bubba40]

GU got a Big East W tonight. While we did not play that well, it's a W in a rough conference.
I still strongly believe we have the potential to do anything in the tournament.

Also, the concept of Joe Lunardi's Bracketology is :hump .

[UNLTrpt]

Boomer.

we suck!

[chiznaz]

Oh my goodness, I went and pulled basketball tickets for the OSU game on Saturday. I showed up at 6:45am, student pull started at 7am. There were already over 1000 people in line waiting with the temp. just above freezing. Each person could pull up to 4 tickets if they had the same number of sports passes. I abrely got them, and will be yelling my ass off at the game on Sat.:)


How do yalls schools handle student tickets. Reed Arena here holds about 12,300 and we have 4200 student tickets for each game. Students here can pull tickets on a first come, first serve basis the first weekday following the last home game. For example, we play OSU here on Sat. I can pull tickets for the next home game at 7am Mon morning. I heard pulling tickets at Duke is pretty crazy and that Syracuse has one of the largest student sections for home games.

[willthethrill]

Oh my goodness, I went and pulled basketball tickets for the OSU game on Saturday. I showed up at 6:45am, student pull started at 7am. There were already over 1000 people in line waiting with the temp. just above freezing. Each person could pull up to 4 tickets if they had the same number of sports passes. I abrely got them, and will be yelling my ass off at the game on Sat.:)


How do yalls schools handle student tickets. Reed Arena here holds about 12,300 and we have 4200 student tickets for each game. Students here can pull tickets on a first come, first serve basis the first weekday following the last home game. For example, we play OSU here on Sat. I can pull tickets for the next home game at 7am Mon morning. I heard pulling tickets at Duke is pretty crazy and that Syracuse has one of the largest student sections for home games.

I'm very jealous. UNC, supposedly we are a good fanbase or some shit like that, decided that this year, we'd start doing an online ticket distribution instead of doing the lottery where we'd all go down to the Dome early Saturday mornings and freeze our ass off for tix. So now it's as easy as "click" to get student tickets, and in our 22,000 capacity dome, theres usually only 3000-5000 student tix per game.

Needless to say, people have been PISSED about it, me being one of them. They said they would review the system after the season is over, but this basically means that some senoirs, who get preference for Dook tix, might not even get to go to the game because of the limited amount of tickets they release. Pretty fucked up.

I hate it. There is no pride in getting tickets. I went to every game I wanted to last year because I figured out how to manipulate the bracelet system for the old lottery, but now it's all chance and I've only gotten Dayton and UVA tickets. I HAVE gone to Gardner Webb, OSU, and UK also, but only through sheer luck and determination.

Oh, and I went to the Dook game last year, which I won't have a chance in hell to do this year.

If you can't tell, I'm pretty pissed about it.

i dont think theyre a legit top 25

side note, craig smith wont be playing for BC anymore. the dumbass got in trouble for posession of weed
That's Sean Williams. Craig Smith went to the NBA. BC is screwed though.

[clayj41]

I'm very jealous. UNC, supposedly we are a good fanbase or some shit like that, decided that this year, we'd start doing an online ticket distribution instead of doing the lottery where we'd all go down to the Dome early Saturday mornings and freeze our ass off for tix. So now it's as easy as "click" to get student tickets, and in our 22,000 capacity dome, theres usually only 3000-5000 student tix per game.

Needless to say, people have been PISSED about it, me being one of them. They said they would review the system after the season is over, but this basically means that some senoirs, who get preference for Dook tix, might not even get to go to the game because of the amount of tickets they release. Pretty fucked up.

I hate it. There is no pride in getting tickets. I went to every game I wanted to last year because I figured out how to manipulate the bracelet system for the old lottery, but now it's all chance and I've only gotten Dayton and UVA tickets. I HAVE gone to Gardner Webb, OSU, and UK also, but only through sheer luck and determination did I get OSU.

Oh, and I went to the Dook game last year, which I won't have a chance in hell to do this year.

If you couldn't tell, I'm pretty pissed about it.


That's Sean Williams. Craig Smith went to the NBA. BC is screwed though.

IU really screwed students over by cutting the number of student seats in half and giving them to alumni. Thus, we've come under a bit of scrutiny for our "Stand Up Old People!" chants during games. Every since I've been in school here (I'm a senior), we've had to order tickets though.

[chiznaz]

I'm very jealous. UNC, supposedly we are a good fanbase or some shit like that, decided that this year, we'd start doing an online ticket distribution instead of doing the lottery where we'd all go down to the Dome early Saturday mornings and freeze our ass off for tix. So now it's as easy as "click" to get student tickets, and in our 22,000 capacity dome, theres usually only 3000-5000 student tix per game.

Needless to say, people have been PISSED about it, me being one of them. They said they would review the system after the season is over, but this basically means that some senoirs, who get preference for Dook tix, might not even get to go to the game because of the limited amount of tickets they release. Pretty fucked up.

I hate it. There is no pride in getting tickets. I went to every game I wanted to last year because I figured out how to manipulate the bracelet system for the old lottery, but now it's all chance and I've only gotten Dayton and UVA tickets. I HAVE gone to Gardner Webb, OSU, and UK also, but only through sheer luck and determination.

Oh, and I went to the Dook game last year, which I won't have a chance in hell to do this year.

If you can't tell, I'm pretty pissed about it.


Man that really stinks.

Yeah getting up at the crack of dawn to pull tickets is half the excitment in college sports, especially when there's another 1000 people joining you outside the ticket office.

A&M sold 16,000 All-Sports Passes this year. It promises you a ticket to the football games for the most part, and gives you a chance to pull tickets(free tickets) to any other sporting event before those who didn't buy the Sports Pass. Well with A&M being a football school, half the people haven't figured out that there are limited seats at bball games and you have to work to get them. There are a lot of pissed off people here right now:lol but now we have the real fans going to this game and not a bunch of 2%ers:)

[snow1868]

OSU has the All-Sports Pass as well. However, students have to purchase the b-ball tickets seperately, but you have to have the ASP to purchase the tix. Kind of screw job, but the kid's will pay for them, I know I did.

As everyone saw on Tuesday night, students camp out before the games. When I was in school, we just waited in line hours before the game. Now they camp.

I think the game on Saturday is going to be a good one, not as classic as Tuesday, but a good one. A&M is getting to be a tough place to play as the fans are getting a little more into it now. Go Pokes, beat A&M!

[twosteppn36]

su was up 20 over cinci at home, devendorf hit 2 free throws to win it 77-76. awesome endging

i cant wait for johnny flynn to get here next year...josh wright needs to go back to proctor

[UNLTrpt]

How do yalls schools handle student tickets. Reed Arena here holds about 12,300 and we have 4200 student tickets for each game. Students here can pull tickets on a first come, first serve basis the first weekday following the last home game. For example, we play OSU here on Sat. I can pull tickets for the next home game at 7am Mon morning. I heard pulling tickets at Duke is pretty crazy and that Syracuse has one of the largest student sections for home games.

HA!

the basketball team gives them em away.

In football there is a preseason lottery. Most of them go to returning students but they do set aside some for the incoming freshmen.

[unccrombie]

i cant wait for johnny flynn to get here next year...josh wright needs to go back to proctor
you goin to the nd game?

[justinandimcool]

USC about to take home another top 25 win. Wichita State, Washington, Oregon, now Arizona. :multi

[twosteppn36]

you goin to the nd game?

yeah, ill be there..you goin?

[unccrombie]

yeah, ill be there..you goin?
yeah, back into town for it

[bubba40]

13-5, 3-2 in the BE as we continue to climb...

[HolyCow]

KU goes down to Tech.


OU romps Baylor. Oh yeah.

[unccrombie]

good win for nova

[thestand]

Ducks are 18-1. Chyea.

[HolyCow]

Oklahoma St - incredibly overrated or just awful in big games?

[bothedmbfan]

A bit of both.

[chiznaz]

Oklahoma St - incredibly overrated or just awful in big games?

or no one gives A&M there due. We swamped them on defense and they couldn't handle our inside game (which could be a coaching problem by them). That wasn't OSU laying an egg. That was A&M taking control of the game.:)

[UNLTrpt]

Oklahoma St - incredibly overrated or just awful in big games?

a tad of both me thinks.

Look at 3 losses:

2pt L @ Tennessee
30pt L @ KU
18pt L @ aTm

all on the road. Yeah their schedule was pretty weak in the non-con but they did beat Pitt, Syracuse and Texas. That's 3 ranked teams. They're probably not top 10 material but they are definitely in the 15-20 range.

[UNLTrpt]

In other news: NU gets the win over CU

who doesn't beat CU these days though.

[HolyCow]

or no one gives A&M there due. We swamped them on defense and they couldn't handle our inside game (which could be a coaching problem by them). That wasn't OSU laying an egg. That was A&M taking control of the game.:)
I wasn't taking anything away from A&M. We all know you guys are good. It is just that OSU hasn't shown up at all in their last 2 big conference road games.

And without a miracle finish at home against Texas, OSU is in the cellar of the Big XII right now.

[bubba40]

Oklahoma St - incredibly overrated or just awful in big games?

Overrated, definitely.

[thehoss]

syracuse falls to st johns today, i garantee it..

[UNC41]

or no one gives A&M there due. We swamped them on defense and they couldn't handle our inside game (which could be a coaching problem by them). That wasn't OSU laying an egg. That was A&M taking control of the game.:)

I don't think it's people disrespecting A&M. OSU has been put in the same class as Kansas and A&M as elite teams in the Big 12, and their two games against the Jayhawks and Aggies have shown that's not true. OSU's lack of depth really hurts them against very good teams.

[tyler1389]

Well, we will see what happens in Stillwater.

I was at the game, and when Oklahoma State pulled the game within 3 points, they called the worst charge I have ever seen on David Monds. Then they called a blocking foul A&M's next possession. The two worst calls I have ever seen.

But, I give credit to A&M, they frustrated Boggan. I don't think that OSU has what it takes on the road yet, but they have played the most difficult schedule in the Big 12 so far. They had to play both KU and A&M on the road, then Texas at home. They lost the two games the two road games, and won the one at home.

It should be really interesting when A&M goes on the road to play some ranked teams. We've already seen what they did against UCLA and LSU.

[HolyCow]

Bedlam in Stillwater Monday night.

Oh boy.

[tyler1389]

Bedlam in Stillwater Monday night.

Oh boy.

Im ready, especially after two assbeating from Kelvin and OU last year. Too bad Kelvin won't be there. It won't be the same.

[thehoss]

yeah, ill be there..you goin?

josh wright is a ball handler, nothing else. he was a good high school player, but so is marty o'sullivan. btw, i went to college in utica, im well aware of the love/hate for josh wright. seems cuse is in a crossroads right now..

lets go st johns!

[unccrombie]

josh wright is a ball handler, nothing else. he was a good high school player, but so is marty o'sullivan. btw, i went to college in utica, im well aware of the love/hate for josh wright. seems cuse is in a crossroads right now..

lets go st johns!
good call, by 4


lets go golden eagles, kick pitt's ass

[thehoss]

good call, by 4


lets go golden eagles, kick pitt's ass

woooo. we really needed that win. we've dropped some AWFUL games this year.. i agree, lets see pitt fall today

[HolyCow]

About Bedlam Monday night, I definitely OSU is going to win, but I think the Sooners are going to surprise people with how tough we play.

I forsee a 61-55 loss or something, but I don't think we are going to be a pushover by any means.

[UNLTrpt]

syracuse falls to st johns today, i garantee it..

good call

[thehoss]

good call

thank you, good sir :thumbsup

[unccrombie]

marquette is playing some insane basketball these days

[thehoss]

ya, pitt goes down baby. odd day in the big east

[snow1868]

Okay, A&M has an excellent defense. I really thought it was going to go our way when we got it down to 3, but A&M just kept having the answers all night. The road is going to a tough place for any team in the Big 12 this year. Just ask Kansas.

Now, tonights game. Bedlam. I fully expect the Cowboys to win big for the following reasons. 1. It's at home. GIA is no friendly place, especially if you're wearing crimson and cream. 2. Eddie is being honored at halftime. 3. Just came off of a hard loss. Had within 3, couldn't capitalize. 4. Redemption for the sweep of last year.

[twosteppn36]

josh wright is a ball handler, nothing else.

hes fast and he can dribble a basketball, but when it comes time to make a decision on what to do with the ball...hes clueless. i went to college in utica also...what a shithole :thumbsup

[RJ2kWJ]

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/rankings?poll=2

How in the hell did we move up 7 spots since last week? Because we beat the two worst teams in the ACC?

[thehoss]

hes fast and he can dribble a basketball, but when it comes time to make a decision on what to do with the ball...hes clueless. i went to college in utica also...what a shithole :thumbsup

whered you go?

[DMBBonas07]

whered you go?
saw you were online! just wanted to stop over to this thread and say hi

[SoRight24]

I'm worried about our game at Arizona on Saturday.....

[unccrombie]

I'm worried about our game at Arizona on Saturday.....
they've lost 4/5 i think, should be terrified actually

[HolyCow]

Good first half for the Sooners.

[HolyCow]

Extremely proud of the way we played tonight. Played hard and stayed in it on the road against a good team.

We are coming along and I think by the end of the year, we may surprise some people.

[snow1868]

Now, tonights game. Bedlam. I fully expect the Cowboys to win big for the following reasons. 1. It's at home. GIA is no friendly place, especially if you're wearing crimson and cream. 2. Eddie is being honored at halftime. 3. Just came off of a hard loss. Had within 3, couldn't capitalize. 4. Redemption for the sweep of last year.

I hearby revoke this statement, good game Sooners. Capel's got a pretty scrappy squad this year. I'm relieved that the Pokes won and thought it was a hard faught quality game. I fully expect another great one at LNC.

Go Pokes!

[UNLTrpt]

big ups to OU today for hanging tough at OSU.

[willthethrill]

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/rankings?poll=2

How in the hell did we move up 7 spots since last week? Because we beat the two worst teams in the ACC?
That's exactly the question I had when I saw the polls. Ridic.

[thehoss]

i dont care guys, osu is a great team. i dont know what it is about them, but i enjoy watching them. whats the deal with the coach though? looks like hes about to have a heart attack every 5 minutes, he gets real pale and weird-looking.

St Johns has a big one tonight against ND. Alot of momentum going into tonight after sunday's upset. we'll see if theres another letdown in the air, or if they can start alittle BE run.

[twosteppn36]

whered you go?

uc

damn 4 character minimum

[unccrombie]

i dont care guys, osu is a great team. i dont know what it is about them, but i enjoy watching them. whats the deal with the coach though? looks like hes about to have a heart attack every 5 minutes, he gets real pale and weird-looking.

St Johns has a big one tonight against ND. Alot of momentum going into tonight after sunday's upset. we'll see if theres another letdown in the air, or if they can start alittle BE run.
wouldnt call a win vs su and upset at all. they're an inconsistant team. tonight though, would be an upset

[snow1868]

i dont care guys, osu is a great team. i dont know what it is about them, but i enjoy watching them. whats the deal with the coach though? looks like hes about to have a heart attack every 5 minutes, he gets real pale and weird-looking.

Sean definantly wears his emotions on his sleeve. I have a feeling that he is going to provide some great candid shots where he looks evil, insane, ill or all of the above. He did slip on the ice last week and hurt his back, so he's still experiencing pain from the fall. I love the intensity he has as a head coach and will keep the OSU basketball program growing toward another national title.

[thehoss]

wouldnt call a win vs su and upset at all. they're an inconsistant team. tonight though, would be an upset

woooooooo! upset it is then, my friend. bring on Pitt :violent


on fire. st johns honestly should be 4-3, even 5-2 in the big east right now, so i guess 3-4 isnt a great mark, however, again, like i said after the cuse game, and going into this game tonight. they'd either take the momentum from the cuse game and start a big east run (2003 with marcus hatten at the point) or they'd disappoint bigtime. here's the confidence they need.

[thehoss]

uc

damn 4 character minimum

haha, yea, sucks.

i went to mvcc. attended some crazy parties at uc though. one party, we were throwing the football outside, and my buddy crushed/broke a window with it, and we ran from uc to mv's dorms before the cops showed up. good times :lol

[Trippin4136]

last week we beat Northwestern 73-41, tonight we play @ NW. I wonder how they'll respond.

lol

[UNC41]

Week 12 Ants Poll

1. Florida (2)
2. Wisconsin
3. UCLA
4. UNC
5. Texas A&M
6.(tie) Ohio St.
Oregon
8. Kansas
9. Pitt
10. Alabama
11. Butler
12. Memphis
13.(tie) Duke
Oklahoma St.
15. Air Force
16. Nevada
17. Marquette
18. Washington St.
19. Clemson
20. Arizona
21.(tie) Notre Dame
LSU
23. Indiana
24. Virginia Tech
25. USC

Participating Voters: UNC41, clayj41

[thehoss]

Week 12 Ants Poll

1. Florida (2)
2. Wisconsin
3. UCLA
4. UNC
5. Texas A&M
6.(tie) Ohio St.
Oregon
8. Kansas
9. Pitt
10. Alabama
11. Butler
12. Memphis
13.(tie) Duke
Oklahoma St.
15. Air Force
16. Nevada
17. Marquette
18. Washington St.
19. Clemson
20. Arizona
21.(tie) Notre Dame
LSU
23. Indiana
24. Virginia Tech
25. USC

Participating Voters: UNC41, clayj41


notre dame will no longer be in the top 25. i love it

[clayj41]

notre dame will no longer be in the top 25. i love it

Neither will IU...:shrug

[SmoothD41]

Neither will IU...:shrug

ehh, I think win over Michigan on Saturday will leave them in the top 25.

[Dave G]

I just hope UConn stays in the top 50 :rolleyes

must have patience......

[clayj41]

ehh, I think win over Michigan on Saturday will leave them in the top 25.

It really depends on whether or not some other top 25 teams lose, and teams on the outside of the top 25 get some big wins. That said, I don't think they'll be ranked next week.

[seekupig]

UK blows a huge lead to Georgia and loses in OT.

Texas A&M in a thriller right now @ Texas Tech.....

[UNLTrpt]

hanging with Texas...hanging...

[UNLTrpt]

Come On Boys!

[UNLTrpt]

SHHEEET!

62-61 Tex-ass wins

[unccrombie]

UK blows a huge lead to Georgia and loses in OT.

Texas A&M in a thriller right now @ Texas Tech.....
how the hell did they sneak in the top 25?

[seekupig]

looks like Texas Tech just locked up a tournament berth unless they completely collapse down the stretch. beating KU and A&M in consecutive games is pretty impressive.....

[seekupig]

how the hell did they sneak in the top 25?

they won a bunch of games in a row against crappy teams..... seems that they didn't like the way it felt being ranked though, they're on their way back out..... :thumbsup

[unccrombie]

they won a bunch of games in a row against crappy teams..... seems that they didn't like the way it felt being ranked though, they're on their way back out..... :thumbsup
they're only "signature win" is against indiana :lol i can't believe the pollster's let 'em in

[seekupig]

they're only "signature win" is against indiana :lol i can't believe the pollster's let 'em in

they let the uniforms in, not the players wearing them. :lol

[unccrombie]

they let the uniforms in, not the players wearing them. :lol
indeed so, good riddance

[seekupig]

Mississippi St. is giving Florida all they can handle so far.... UF down 3 with 13 to play....

[unccrombie]

Mississippi St. is giving Florida all they can handle so far.... UF down 3 with 13 to play....
thats not on here, blah

[seekupig]

thats not on here, blah

don't worry. 11-0 UF run since i posted, they're up now and looking to run away with the game. Miss St. looks to be out of gas.....

[unccrombie]

:lol shucks

[seekupig]

from tonight's game....

Baylor got off to a horrible start on its home court with 1-of-16 shooting as the Jayhawks built a 20-3 lead and led by 22 at halftime.

Kansas held Baylor to 30 percent shooting for the game.

Wright slammed two thunderous dunks early and the Baylor misfires frustrated Bears fans. A group of them tried to heckle Rush, who gave them a smile and a nod to the scoreboard.:lol :lol

[seekupig]

wow, Miss St. just came back from 9 down to tie it up with under four minutes to play..... good game. :bounce

[unccrombie]

from tonight's game....

Baylor got off to a horrible start on its home court with 1-of-16 shooting as the Jayhawks built a 20-3 lead and led by 22 at halftime.

Kansas held Baylor to 30 percent shooting for the game.

Wright slammed two thunderous dunks early and the Baylor misfires frustrated Bears fans. A group of them tried to heckle Rush, who gave them a smile and a nod to the scoreboard.:lol :lol
"score-board! score-board!" best chant in sports

[seekupig]

Ben Hansbrough just came in the game for Mississippi St.

the little brother of Tyler Hansbrough, he's a freshman guard....

EDIT - and he just dribbled it off his foot getting ready to pull for a game tying three pointer....

UF wins by 3.

[unccrombie]

ouch, tough luck. TT over A&M as well

[justinandimcool]

Wow. Worst pass I've ever seen.

[justinandimcool]

Makes up for it with a great buzzer beater. Nice ending.

[chiznaz]

Rough game against Tech last night. Because it wasn't on TV unless you had ESPN Fullcourt or something like that, just about every bar and sports related place here in College Station was at max capacity. A&M should have won, and we will definitely have to win @KU now for a shot at the BigXII title.

[seekupig]

and we will definitely have to win @KU now for a shot at the BigXII title.

sorry, aggie, maybe next year...... ;)

[chiznaz]

sorry, aggie, maybe next year...... ;)
just for that, yall are going to have like a 3 gaming losing skid:evil

[RJ2kWJ]

Coming from a Duke fan... The refs put too much clock back on the game for us to get that last second shot against Clemson.

BUT... We own the ACC refs. Period. Any other squad in the ACC would LOVE to say that.

Cocky and unfair?? Yes. Do I love it? Yes.

17-3.

[RJ2kWJ]

Actually now that I look at it... the proper time was added... the clock management tard messed up on every account. When the Clemson guard touched the ball to wet the 3... he didnt start it haha. So he had to add back the time that was taken off the clock from NOT stopping it, PLUS the time from he DIDNT START IT.

All sorts of stupid shit.

Either way it was a victory.

And either way it shouldn't have even gotten to that considering Josh's dumb ass pass.

[unccrombie]

just beat BC and we'll thank you for giving us the ACC ;)

[UNC41]

Coming from a Duke fan... The refs put too much clock back on the game for us to get that last second shot against Clemson.

BUT... We own the ACC refs. Period. Any other squad in the ACC would LOVE to say that.

Cocky and unfair?? Yes. Do I love it? Yes.

17-3.

8>5 :rolleyes

[UNC41]

Gilbert Arenas is the man. First the hibachi quote, and now this ...

"He'd like to see what I'm going to do against Duke. I thought it was funny because if I have the chance to go back to college, I'll give up one NBA season to play against Duke. One college game that's five fouls, right? ... 40-minute game at Duke, they got soft rims I'd probably score 84 or 85. I wouldn't pass the ball. I wouldn't even think about passing it. It would be like a NBA Live or an NBA 2K7 game, you just shoot with one person."

[UNC41]

Actually now that I look at it... the proper time was added... the clock management tard messed up on every account. When the Clemson guard touched the ball to wet the 3... he didnt start it haha. So he had to add back the time that was taken off the clock from NOT stopping it, PLUS the time from he DIDNT START IT.

All sorts of stupid shit.

Either way it was a victory.

And either way it shouldn't have even gotten to that considering Josh's dumb ass pass.

I just saw the replay and it should have been 2.4 on the clock, not 4.4. The thing that really killed Clemson is they set up defense for 1.8 seconds left and then once the timeout was over the learned about the time being added to the clock.

[thestand]

Damn, we were raped last night. Completely unexpected.

[willthethrill]

Coming from a Duke fan... The refs put too much clock back on the game for us to get that last second shot against Clemson.

BUT... We own the ACC refs. Period. Any other squad in the ACC would LOVE to say that.

Cocky and unfair?? Yes. Do I love it? Yes.

17-3.
Makes me throw up in my mouth. I can't wait till K passes out for good so refs can get their credibility back.

[RJ2kWJ]

Makes me throw up in my mouth. I can't wait till K passes out for good so refs can get their credibility back.

:lol Well until then he owns 'em for sure.

Man I was hammered when I wrote that though haha.

[SteelerMan]

http://msn.foxsports.com/cbk/story/6412254?MSNHPHMA

Too late now.

[TheOtherside]

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=2744216

god this pissed me off when i was watching the game last night. i hate duke.

edit: steelerman and i are the coolest. steelerman slightly cooler.

[UNLTrpt]

still waiting for coach K's back to go out....

[RJ2kWJ]

still waiting for coach K's back to go out....

And here is to hoping you all get a real fuckin head coach. Doc... What a fuggin joke. I hope that bitch's cancer catches fire. I hope that bitches thyroid problem causes him to collapse and end his career.

Does that feel good to have someone say something about someone else's head coach?! I can't wait for the day DOC competes for the most wins in D-1A b-ball... because Knights record is about to last a nice 3-4 years with K at the Helm at Duke.

:lol

[chiznaz]

Does that feel good to have someone say something about someone else's head coach?! I can't wait for the day DOC competes for the most wins in D-1A b-ball... because Knights record is about to last a nice 3-4 years with K at the Helm at Duke.
:lol

:lorraine :lorraine




anyways.... getting ready to take off the the A&M-OU game. Should be a good one. OU doesn't have Bookout to run the moving screens this time;)

[UNC41]

I just heard Wright and Ginyard are out today. That makes a game at Arizona even tougher than it already was going to be.

[RJ2kWJ]

I just heard Wright and Ginyard are out today. That makes a game at Arizona even tougher than it already was going to be.

Why are they out?

[UNLTrpt]

And here is to hoping you all get a real fuckin head coach. Doc... What a fuggin joke. I hope that bitch's cancer catches fire. I hope that bitches thyroid problem causes him to collapse and end his career.

Does that feel good to have someone say something about someone else's head coach?! I can't wait for the day DOC competes for the most wins in D-1A b-ball... because Knights record is about to last a nice 3-4 years with K at the Helm at Duke.

:lol

meh. doesn't bother me.

[SteelerMan]

Stephenson and Thompson are tearing it up!!! Makes me feel much, much better about possibly losing Wright after this year. Arizona fans booing after the Marcus Williams injury makes me :lol . There wasn't even any contact.

[UNC41]

Stephenson and Thompson are tearing it up!!! Makes me feel much, much better about possibly losing Wright after this year. Arizona fans booing after the Marcus Williams injury makes me :lol . There wasn't even any contact.

They are really stepping it up in Wright's absence and Hansbrough's blowing ass. I would have never guessed Carolina would be up 18 on Arizona at half without their starting power forward, first two guards off the bench and Hansbrough taking a dump. Granted, Arizona hasn't been able to knock down an outside shot, but it was still a great first half to watch. I'm developing a mancrush on Ty Lawson.

[SteelerMan]

They are really stepping it up in Wright's absence and Hansbrough's blowing ass. I would have never guessed Carolina would be up 18 on Arizona at half without their starting power forward, first two guards off the bench and Hansbrough taking a dump. Granted, Arizona hasn't been able to knock down an outside shot, but it was still a great first half to watch. I'm developing a mancrush on Ty Lawson.

:lol

I'm getting the same feeling.

[SteelerMan]

Psycho T!!! That was an awesome dunk.

[SoRight24]

Arizona just got pwned! :lol

[unccrombie]

dear god did we just lay the fuck down :haha

[nhl123_2000]

oh yea tar heels. (btw - i haven't posted in a while but I'm a junior at carolina) what a showing especially without ginyard and wright. heel yeah.

miami and state this next week - then we get to destroy the dookies.

[HolyCow]

I hope A&M enjoyed the gift they got in some incompetent referees today.

[unccrombie]

I hope A&M enjoyed the gift they got in some incompetent referees today.
or AC law poking you in the eye...

[chiznaz]

I hope A&M enjoyed the gift they got in some incompetent referees today.

:lol Don't even get me started on the refs, they were taking our big men out of the game with bogus calls. That 1st half was ridiculous.

[HolyCow]

:lol Don't even get me started on the refs, they were taking our big men out of the game with bogus calls. That 1st half was ridiculous.

Right...:rolleyes

[willthethrill]

Stephenson and Thompson are tearing it up!!! Makes me feel much, much better about possibly losing Wright after this year. Arizona fans booing after the Marcus Williams injury makes me :lol . There wasn't even any contact.
I think they might've been booing the refs for not stopping play, though as Billy Packer explained, they went by the rules.

One of the most impressive performances by freshmen I have ever seen. Deon is gonna be an All-American his Jr. and (hopefully) Sr. years.

[budgrove]

i know no one cares, but pitt won again. next on to bitch slap villanova!!

[UNLTrpt]

god damn we need this win BADLY.

[unccrombie]

i know no one cares, but pitt won again. next on to bitch slap villanova!!
won again? arent they like 0-4 vs ranked teams? :lol

[budgrove]

only 0-3...haha. they took two of them to overtime, they can't make freethrows to save their life. that will cost them an early exit come tourney time! i still have to support my team though. carolina is my second favorite, so dont hate me to bad. they looked pretty good today too, arizona didnt have a chance!

[unccrombie]

wow syracuse is a terrible team :lol wow

[justinandimcool]

Stuck at home because I need to "study" for finals. So instead I watched every single nationally televised game today. I'm gonna fail. But some fantastic games occured. Good day in basketball.

[budgrove]

i hope everyone is watching this ohio state michigan state game! it is awesome, what a comeback...come on michigan state!!!

[budgrove]

damn....what a game though!

[seekupig]

Gameday at Lawrence next weekend. can't wait to see what A&M has for my Jayhawks.... :multi

[seekupig]

not sure if this is true or not (to lazy to look it up), but i just read on another board that no Big XII South team has won in Lawrence in 11 years! big chance for A&M to prove they belong in the conversation... :thumbsup

[mizzoudmbfan]

not sure if this is true or not (to lazy to look it up), but i just read on another board that no Big XII South team has won in Lawrence in 11 years! big chance for A&M to prove they belong in the conversation... :thumbsup

That stat(if true) might actually be worth something if you hadnt already given up 78 points to Oral friggen Roberts and barely escaped one of the most unprepared Missouri teams in the history of Missouri basketball. Beware the Phog(a Missourian I might add) my ass.

[UNLTrpt]

Gameday at Lawrence next weekend. can't wait to see what A&M has for my Jayhawks.... :multi

Big Monday Nebraska/Kansas tomorrow.

Our only saving grace is that its at home.

[gbs3769]

wow syracuse is a terrible team :lol wow
Truth.

- Primo

[gbs3769]

I am still debating which is more disappointing, 2001-2002 when we dropped 6 of our last 9, or this year.

- Primo

[UNLTrpt]

I am still debating which is more disappointing, 2001-2002 when we dropped 6 of our last 9, or this year.

- Primo

or option C...you.

[unccrombie]

I am still debating which is more disappointing, 2001-2002 when we dropped 6 of our last 9, or this year.

- Primo
i can't believe they blew that one...

[SmoothD41]

UCLA going down?.....

[unccrombie]

UCLA going down?.....
you betcha

[dmb71687]

UW new clear #2. Next is #1 baby(even though we should already be ahead of Florida.)

W00t W00t!

[gbs3769]

or option C...you.
Bwahahaha!

Nice buddy. How the hell have you been?

- Primo

[gbs3769]

i can't believe they blew that one...
Well, they did the same thing in the St. John's game.

- Primo

[UNC41]

UW new clear #2. Next is #1 baby(even though we should already be ahead of Florida.)

W00t W00t!

It is not clear. UNC is definitely in the discussion for both of those spots after Saturday's pasting at Arizona without 3 of their top 9 players.

[dmb71687]

It is not clear. UNC is definitely in the discussion for both of those spots after Saturday's pasting at Arizona without 3 of their top 9 players.

No way, UNC has 3 losses man. Sure they definitely deserve to be in the discussion of the best team in college basketball, but there is no way they deserve one of the top 2 spots in the polls. Their resume compared with Wisconsin is pretty clear cut that they should most definitely be 3.

And while that win at Arizona looks really good on paper, there is no arguement the Wildcats have been struggling this year, and are definitely vulnerable at home. It's a solid win, but nothing close enough to pass Florida or UW, imo.

[dmb71687]

My bad they only have 2 losses, that makes it closer than my original opinion, but still fairly clear cut.

[UNC41]

No way, UNC has 3 losses man. Sure they definitely deserve to be in the discussion of the best team in college basketball, but there is no way they deserve one of the top 2 spots in the polls. Their resume compared with Wisconsin is pretty clear cut that they should most definitely be 3.

And while that win at Arizona looks really good on paper, there is no arguement the Wildcats have been struggling this year, and are definitely vulnerable at home. It's a solid win, but nothing close enough to pass Florida or UW, imo.

UNC has two losses, not three, man. The Heels have every right to be in discussion with Wisconsin. Home/Neutral wins over Ohio St, Tennessee and Georgia Tech and the recent road blowouts of Clemson and Arizona is just as impressive as what Florida and Arizona has done this year.

I'll agree tha Arizona has underachieved this year, but it's not because they are "vulnerable at home." Their only home loss before Saturday was against Oregon. It's been road struggles, going back to their opening game at Virginia, that killed the Cats. Here is what Lute Olson said after UNC snapped Arizona's 29-game winning streak at home against non-conference opponents without 3 of its top 9 players.

"I don't remember anybody playing better against us ever."

Pomeroy has UNC ranked second in the nation in defensive efficiency heading into the game and fourth in offensive efficiency. All they did in that game was shut down the nation's most efficient offensive team while hanging 92 points on the Cats.

[dmb71687]

I know, I corrected myself on their number of losses. However the fact is, Wisconsin is 1 minute of basketball away from being 22-0. They played the worst half of basketball they will play all year, trailed by 15 in 2nd half, and still had an opportunity at the end to beat a very good Missouri State team. That, along with impressive road wins @ Marquette and @ Georiga, @Illinois(I only use that because they haven't won there in 7 years) and wins against the likes of Ohio State, Pittsburgh, and Florida State provide them with the better resume. And if your going to put GT as a quality win for North Carolina, I could probably add Michigan to my list as well. It doesn't necessarily impress me as much that NC blows out certain opponents, while UW has had some closer games, because the teams play completely styles of basketball. However through UW's 17 game win streak, they have beaten their opponents by an average of almost 20 points.

I'm not saying it's not close, because it is, however I still think it's fairly clear, based on the facts at hand, that UW should be ranked above UNC, and thats not really even a bias opinion. They also have the same case to be ranked above 2 loss Florida, as well.

[UNC41]

I know, I corrected myself on their number of losses. However the fact is, Wisconsin is 1 minute of basketball away from being 22-0. They played the worst half of basketball they will play all year, trailed by 15 in 2nd half, and still had an opportunity at the end to beat a very good Missouri State team. That, along with impressive road wins @ Marquette and @ Georiga, @Illinois(I only use that because they haven't won there in 7 years) and wins against the likes of Ohio State, Pittsburgh, and Florida State provide them with the better resume. And if your going to put GT as a quality win for North Carolina, I could probably add Michigan to my list as well. It doesn't necessarily impress me as much that NC blows out certain opponents, while UW has had some closer games, because the teams play completely styles of basketball. However through UW's 17 game win streak, they have beaten their opponents by an average of almost 20 points.

I'm not saying it's not close, because it is, however I still think it's fairly clear, based on the facts at hand, that UW should be ranked above UNC, and thats not really even a bias opinion. They also have the same case to be ranked above 2 loss Florida, as well.

You are discounting GT as a quality win for North Carolina and including Georiga as one for Wisconsin despite the fact that GT beat Georiga? You also threw Florida State in there? North Carolina beat them by 26, and I didn't even think of that. Illinois? They are under .500 in an average Big 10. Michigan? They are just one game over .500 and lost to NC State, who is currently 1-5 in the ACC. If we're adding teams like these throw Kentucky, Florida State and Virginia into UNC's case.

Blowouts don't impress you? Teams have tried to make UNC slow down all year, but it hasn't worked. Ohio State (who looked more impressive without Oden against UNC than they did with him against Wisconsin) and Arizona are two of the few teams who have tried to with them. The Buckeyes got completely worn down in the second half and came back to earth from behind the arc and Arizona got completely blown out.

I don't think number of losses should solely determine a ranking. Pollsters should also take into factor how good a team actually is. I think UNC is better than Wisconsin. The Heels are better offensively and defensively. They have better frontcourt and backcourt. I can't really remember ever seeing a team as deep as UNC is this year. The one edge Wisconsin has is one of the two favorites for NPOY.

[Trippin4136]

With the UCLA loss, Ohio State moves up to #4 in the coaches poll...now the only teams we've lost too are ALL in front of us.

[unccrombie]

1. Florida (26) 19-2 767
2. Wisconsin (4) 21-1 733
3. North Carolina (1) 19-2 724
4. Ohio State 18-3 668
5. UCLA 18-2 648
6. Kansas 18-3 595
7. Pittsburgh 19-3 579
8. Texas A&M 17-3 542
9. Oregon 19-2 525
10. Duke 18-3 480
11. Butler 19-2 469
12. Memphis 17-3 415
13. Nevada 19-2 404
14. Oklahoma State 18-3 381
15. Marquette 19-4 316
16. Air Force 19-3 301
17. Washington State 17-4 245
18. Virginia Tech 16-5 233
19. Notre Dame 17-4 147
20. Alabama 15-5 119
21. Clemson 18-4 116
22. Arizona 14-6 85
23. Texas 15-5 78
24. Kentucky 16-5 68
25. Indiana 15-5 62
25. UNLV 18-4 62

[RJ2kWJ]

Good stuff.

[dmb71687]

You are discounting GT as a quality win for North Carolina and including Georiga as one for Wisconsin despite the fact that GT beat Georiga? You also threw Florida State in there? North Carolina beat them by 26, and I didn't even think of that. Illinois? They are under .500 in an average Big 10. Michigan? They are just one game over .500 and lost to NC State, who is currently 1-5 in the ACC. If we're adding teams like these throw Kentucky, Florida State and Virginia into UNC's case.

Blowouts don't impress you? Teams have tried to make UNC slow down all year, but it hasn't worked. Ohio State (who looked more impressive without Oden against UNC than they did with him against Wisconsin) and Arizona are two of the few teams who have tried to with them. The Buckeyes got completely worn down in the second half and came back to earth from behind the arc and Arizona got completely blown out.

I don't think number of losses should solely determine a ranking. Pollsters should also take into factor how good a team actually is. I think UNC is better than Wisconsin. The Heels are better offensively and defensively. They have better frontcourt and backcourt. I can't really remember ever seeing a team as deep as UNC is this year. The one edge Wisconsin has is one of the two favorites for NPOY.

I added Michigan because I compared them with GT. Illinois, if you thorouglhly read my post, I only put in because we haven't won their in 7 years, and they have some gaudy record like 105-5 at home under Bruce Weber prior to UW's win. If I recall, GT did not win AT Georgia, so that negates your point, Georgia has proven to be extremely solid at home, and thats a non-conference game not many top ranked teams would accept, to go in and win with ease, was impressive. And to say number of losses shouldn't matter is ridiculous, there is absolutely no way you can justifiably say UNC is better than Wisconsin, without a game being played. They play completely different syles of basketball, like I said, and how many teams have made UNC try to "slow it down." Depth? How can you possibly use that as a reason for UNC being better without mentioning Wisconsin. UW has arguably the most depth in the nation,they have 9 players, all who can/and have had huge games to determine a win. Defense? I'm not sure there would be to many people, if anyone outside of North Carolina that would say UNC has a better defense than UW, or 50% of Big Ten teams. Potential defensive player of the year in Michael Flowers, outstanding rebounding team, and outstanding shot blockers in Steisma and Landry.

Alando Tucker is NOT the one edge UW has, he is a phenomenal player, but if you think that's all the Badgers have, you clearly don't understand the team. This is college basketball, not the NBA, will North Carolina have more pro players on their roster than UW? You betcha, but it boils down to a lot more than that in the college game. The #2 team should not have convincing losses against mediocore Gonzaga and VT teams, and as I stated before, UW is 1 minute of basketball away from being undefeated, do you still think UNC would deserve the #2 slot if the Badgers were undefeated?

IMO, and in the opinion of a lot of people who are familiar with college basketball, not just their home team(not saying that's you) UW is the most complete team in the country. A win at Indiana tomorrow, and they will almost certainly be 27-1 heading into Michigan State. That record would speak for itself, and in no way is it because of lack of quality opponents, because they definitely have enough big wins.

Not to mention experience, which I'm sure plays a huge roll in these polls. Having 3 seniors and 2 juniors in your starting line up, is one hell of an advantage, especially in March.

[UNC41]

I added Michigan because I compared them with GT. Illinois, if you thorouglhly read my post, I only put in because we haven't won their in 7 years, and they have some gaudy record like 105-5 at home under Bruce Weber prior to UW's win. If I recall, GT did not win AT Georgia, so that negates your point, Georgia has proven to be extremely solid at home, and thats a non-conference game not many top ranked teams would accept, to go in and win with ease, was impressive. And to say number of losses shouldn't matter is ridiculous, there is absolutely no way you can justifiably say UNC is better than Wisconsin, without a game being played. They play completely different syles of basketball, like I said, and how many teams have made UNC try to "slow it down." Depth? How can you possibly use that as a reason for UNC being better without mentioning Wisconsin. UW has arguably the most depth in the nation,they have 9 players, all who can/and have had huge games to determine a win. Defense? I'm not sure there would be to many people, if anyone outside of North Carolina that would say UNC has a better defense than UW, or 50% of Big Ten teams. Potential defensive player of the year in Michael Flowers, outstanding rebounding team, and outstanding shot blockers in Steisma and Landry.

Alando Tucker is NOT the one edge UW has, he is a phenomenal player, but if you think that's all the Badgers have, you clearly don't understand the team. This is college basketball, not the NBA, will North Carolina have more pro players on their roster than UW? You betcha, but it boils down to a lot more than that in the college game. The #2 team should not have convincing losses against mediocore Gonzaga and VT teams, and as I stated before, UW is 1 minute of basketball away from being undefeated, do you still think UNC would deserve the #2 slot if the Badgers were undefeated?

IMO, and in the opinion of a lot of people who are familiar with college basketball, not just their home team(not saying that's you) UW is the most complete team in the country. A win at Indiana tomorrow, and they will almost certainly be 27-1 heading into Michigan State. That record would speak for itself, and in no way is it because of lack of quality opponents, because they definitely have enough big wins.

Not to mention experience, which I'm sure plays a huge roll in these polls. Having 3 seniors and 2 juniors in your starting line up, is one hell of an advantage, especially in March.

But how can you discount North Carolina's win at Arizona and claim Wisconsin had a quality win at Illinois? You said Arizona had struggled at home, they had only lost one game there before Saturday, and tout Illinois home court record. The only problem is twice at home before they played Wisconsin. That makes zero sense to me.

You also keep talking about how if Wisconsin had one more minute they probably would have beaten Missouri State, but fail to mention North Carolina probably would have beaten Virginia Tech if they had one more minute. But somehow that loss at Va Tech is convincing when Wisconsin's isn't? Also, Carolina definitely should have beat Gonzaga. But if you watch the team now and the team then they are light years ahead of where they were back in November.

The biggest difference North Carolina is so much better than the beginning of the season is their defense. To say that 50% of the teams in the Big 10 are better defensively than the Heels is ignorant. Sure there are teams that hold teams to less points than UNC, but that is because the Heels play at a faster pace than most teams. There ends up being more posessions and opportunities to score for BOTH teams in a game. They are the second most efficient defensive team in the nation when you look at Ken Pomeroy's adjusted rankings, which take into account points allowed per 100 possessions. This is a more accurate way to tell how a teams is defensively than just look at points given up per game. Wisconsin is sixth, so it's not even the least bit outlandish to think that North Carolina has a better defense.

I never said the number of losses didn't matter. I said they shouldn't be the sole factor in determining where a team is ranked. There is a huge difference between 1 and 6 losses, but not a big one between 1 and 2.

How can I mention depth without mentioning Wisconsin? Because North Carolina clearly has the advantage. Lawson, Ellington, Terry, Wright, Hansbrough, Thompson, Stephenson, Frasor, Thomas, Ginyard, Green, Miller. That's 12 deep. I don't think Wisconsin could blow out Arizona when they are six deep, which is the equivalent of what North Carolina did on Saturday without three key players.

I also notice you brought up Wisconsin's rebounding. North Carolina leads the nation in rebound and rebounding margin, so it can easily be argued the Heels are the best team in the nation on the glass. You also brought up Wisconsin's shot blocker. The Badgers are not one of the top 50 shot blocking teams in the country. North Carolina is.

So, yes Tucker is close to the only edge I'll give Wisconsin when comparing the two teams. I'm not going to debate that North Carolina has more experience. They don't, but I don't know how huge of a factor it will be. After all, it was a bunch of freshmen, four of whom finished in double figures, who led the Heels to an 18 point halftime lead in a hostile environment with three of their top 9 players missing just two days ago.

[zdaddy]

You are discounting GT as a quality win for North Carolina and including Georiga as one for Wisconsin despite the fact that GT beat Georiga? You also threw Florida State in there? North Carolina beat them by 26, and I didn't even think of that. Illinois? They are under .500 in an average Big 10. Michigan? They are just one game over .500 and lost to NC State, who is currently 1-5 in the ACC. If we're adding teams like these throw Kentucky, Florida State and Virginia into UNC's case.

Blowouts don't impress you? Teams have tried to make UNC slow down all year, but it hasn't worked. Ohio State (who looked more impressive without Oden against UNC than they did with him against Wisconsin) and Arizona are two of the few teams who have tried to with them. The Buckeyes got completely worn down in the second half and came back to earth from behind the arc and Arizona got completely blown out.

I don't think number of losses should solely determine a ranking. Pollsters should also take into factor how good a team actually is. I think UNC is better than Wisconsin. The Heels are better offensively and defensively. They have better frontcourt and backcourt. I can't really remember ever seeing a team as deep as UNC is this year. The one edge Wisconsin has is one of the two favorites for NPOY.

The issue with Wisconsin not having blowouts is the fact they run a much slower offense than UNC. Its not a surprise when they score under 60 points and win consistently (i.e. @ Iowa yesterday). A ten to fifteen point lead is really much larger when 30+ seconds are milked every possession.

And as for a subpar Big 10, if you anything at all about the conference, you would know that winning on the road is HUGE. Teams beat the living daylights out of each other, and it is not a surprise when a weenie like Northwestern beats a Michigan State or Wisconsin at home.

[Jambi]

Kentucky should not be in the top 25. Other than that, solid list.

[dmb71687]

But how can you discount North Carolina's win at Arizona and claim Wisconsin had a quality win at Illinois? You said Arizona had struggled at home, they had only lost one game there before Saturday, and tout Illinois home court record. The only problem is twice at home before they played Wisconsin. That makes zero sense to me.

You also keep talking about how if Wisconsin had one more minute they probably would have beaten Missouri State, but fail to mention North Carolina probably would have beaten Virginia Tech if they had one more minute. But somehow that loss at Va Tech is convincing when Wisconsin's isn't? Also, Carolina definitely should have beat Gonzaga. But if you watch the team now and the team then they are light years ahead of where they were back in November.

The biggest difference North Carolina is so much better than the beginning of the season is their defense. To say that 50% of the teams in the Big 10 are better defensively than the Heels is ignorant. Sure there are teams that hold teams to less points than UNC, but that is because the Heels play at a faster pace than most teams. There ends up being more posessions and opportunities to score for BOTH teams in a game. They are the second most efficient defensive team in the nation when you look at Ken Pomeroy's adjusted rankings, which take into account points allowed per 100 possessions. This is a more accurate way to tell how a teams is defensively than just look at points given up per game. Wisconsin is sixth, so it's not even the least bit outlandish to think that North Carolina has a better defense.

I never said the number of losses didn't matter. I said they shouldn't be the sole factor in determining where a team is ranked. There is a huge difference between 1 and 6 losses, but not a big one between 1 and 2.

How can I mention depth without mentioning Wisconsin? Because North Carolina clearly has the advantage. Lawson, Ellington, Terry, Wright, Hansbrough, Thompson, Stephenson, Frasor, Thomas, Ginyard, Green, Miller. That's 12 deep. I don't think Wisconsin could blow out Arizona when they are six deep, which is the equivalent of what North Carolina did on Saturday without three key players.

I also notice you brought up Wisconsin's rebounding. North Carolina leads the nation in rebound and rebounding margin, so it can easily be argued the Heels are the best team in the nation on the glass. You also brought up Wisconsin's shot blocker. The Badgers are not one of the top 50 shot blocking teams in the country. North Carolina is.

So, yes Tucker is close to the only edge I'll give Wisconsin when comparing the two teams. I'm not going to debate that North Carolina has more experience. They don't, but I don't know how huge of a factor it will be. After all, it was a bunch of freshmen, four of whom finished in double figures, who led the Heels to an 18 point halftime lead in a hostile environment with three of their top 9 players missing just two days ago.

We could go back and forth with these posts all day, so I'll forego that cycle. The truth is, the ACC and Big Ten are probably the two most different conferences in the country. There is no doubt in my mind when comparing stats, and individual statistics, and PPG, etc, North Carolina on paper, to the casual fan, would clearly look like the better team. However as I stated, this is college basketball, and yes, experience is HUGE. The Badgers play better together than any Badger team, or college team, I've seen in a long, long time. Every single player on that team knows there roll, Marcus Landry coming off the bench, and averaging 5 ppg and 5 rpg, does nothing to show how important he is to that team. And same to be said with every other player on that team besides Tucker. They don't have gaudy stats, but they play together, and they play their rolls.

They have phenomenal guard play, expected POY, two centers who can step out 15-20 feet and knock down jumpers consistently, which makes it difficult for teams to double Tucker. IYou said somewhere in your last post NC is 12 deep, and UW is 6 deep??? You may want to check that one more time. I question whether or not you understand Big Ten play, or have even watched a Badger game this year. And didn't NC lose to VT by nearly double digits....how the heck could 1 minute more of basketball translate into a win?

Soley based on resumes, and quality wins, and quality losses, Wisconsin deserves to be in front of NC, and the polls show that. If anything, one would expect the "experts" to favor NC because of their big name, voting Wisconsin ahead of them furthers my opinion that most/all people familiar with college basketball, feel the same way. They have the longest winning streak in the nation at 17 games, and they have not been "chump games." They deserve to be number 2, if not number 1.

[UNC41]

The issue with Wisconsin not having blowouts is the fact they run a much slower offense than UNC. Its not a surprise when they score under 60 points and win consistently (i.e. @ Iowa yesterday). A ten to fifteen point lead is really much larger when 30+ seconds are milked every possession.

And as for a subpar Big 10, if you anything at all about the conference, you would know that winning on the road is HUGE. Teams beat the living daylights out of each other, and it is not a surprise when a weenie like Northwestern beats a Michigan State or Wisconsin at home.

I haven't been calling out Wisconsin for having a smaller scoring margin than North Carolina. In fact, theirs is impressive. I was just saying North Carolina has been blowing out some good teams lately.

I do know a thing about the Big 10. I'm from the Midwest and watch Big 10 basketball all the time. It is down this year. Right now I can only see four teams making the NCAA tournament. Upsets happen in all conference, not just the Big 10, but if you think Northwestern beating Wisconsin in the Kohl Center would not be a huge suprise then you know nothing about the conference.

[zdaddy]

I do know a thing about the Big 10. I'm from the Midwest and watch Big 10 basketball all the time. It is down this year. Right now I can only see four teams making the NCAA tournament. Upsets happen in all conference, not just the Big 10, but if you think Northwestern beating Wisconsin in the Kohl Center would not be a huge suprise then you know nothing about the conference.

im talking about teams AT northwestern, not northwestern facing the grateful red, big difference there butch

[UNC41]

im talking about teams AT northwestern, not northwestern facing the grateful red, big difference there butch

It'd still be a huge upset. An elite Big 10 team playing one of the worst teams in the conference is no different than an elite ACC team playing one of the worst teams in the conference.

[UNC41]

We could go back and forth with these posts all day, so I'll forego that cycle. The truth is, the ACC and Big Ten are probably the two most different conferences in the country. There is no doubt in my mind when comparing stats, and individual statistics, and PPG, etc, North Carolina on paper, to the casual fan, would clearly look like the better team. However as I stated, this is college basketball, and yes, experience is HUGE. The Badgers play better together than any Badger team, or college team, I've seen in a long, long time. Every single player on that team knows there roll, Marcus Landry coming off the bench, and averaging 5 ppg and 5 rpg, does nothing to show how important he is to that team. And same to be said with every other player on that team besides Tucker. They don't have gaudy stats, but they play together, and they play their rolls.

They have phenomenal guard play, expected POY, two centers who can step out 15-20 feet and knock down jumpers consistently, which makes it difficult for teams to double Tucker. IYou said somewhere in your last post NC is 12 deep, and UW is 6 deep??? You may want to check that one more time. I question whether or not you understand Big Ten play, or have even watched a Badger game this year. And didn't NC lose to VT by nearly double digits....how the heck could 1 minute more of basketball translate into a win?

Soley based on resumes, and quality wins, and quality losses, Wisconsin deserves to be in front of NC, and the polls show that. If anything, one would expect the "experts" to favor NC because of their big name, voting Wisconsin ahead of them furthers my opinion that most/all people familiar with college basketball, feel the same way. They have the longest winning streak in the nation at 17 games, and they have not been "chump games." They deserve to be number 2, if not number 1.

We could go back and forth all day, and I've got time to, and college basketball conversation entertains me, so I have no problem doing it. I've watched Wisconsin play many times this year, and agree they are one of the best teams in the nation. I have no problem admitting that. Without even looking at their schedule I know I've watched at least a half of the Badgers against FSU, Marquette, Pitt, Ohio St, Illinois and Iowa. Yes, Wisconsin plays great as a team, but I don't think they are far and away better than any team in recent memory. Right now, with the way UNC has played their last four games, I don't think there is another team in the nation they aren't better than on a neutral court.

Yes, North Carolina lost to Va Tech by six, but another minute could have made a HUGE difference in that game. The Heels were down 20 with six minutes to go and cut the lead to 3 with about 17 left. If there is another minute on the clock that game could have easily gone the other way at the rate it was going.

I never said Wisconsin was six deep. I said they would be six deep if they went into Arizona without three of their top 9 players. That's true. I don't think they could dominate the Wildcats in those circumstances. North Carolina did. I understand Wisconsin has solid role players, like Landry who you brought up. The Tar Heels aren't any different. Deon Thompson and Alex Stephenson average 8.3 points and 5.4 rebounds off the bench. When Brandan Wright, easy choice for ACC Freshman of the Year, missed the game on Saturday they stepped up to combine for 24 points and 12 rebounds. North Carolina has the best frontcourt and point guard depth in the nation coming off the bench.

You make these statements about casual fans think this and that, but when it comes down to it, only a casual fan would think that anywhere near half of the teams in the Big 10 are better defensively than North Carolina. You question whether I have seen the Badgers play this year, which I have plenty, but I wonder the same about you and North Carolina over the past month and a half.

[dacat]

Kentucky should not be in the top 25. Other than that, solid list.

Kentucky has more of a right to be in the poll than Alabama,Arizona, or Indiana. Just because Kentucky blew a huge lead on the road to UGA doesn't mean it should fall out of the poll. I think Vandy and UGA should both be in the poll, I guess they just came from too far back b/c of the pre conf. losses

[dmb71687]

We could go back and forth all day, and I've got time to, and college basketball conversation entertains me, so I have no problem doing it. I've watched Wisconsin play many times this year, and agree they are one of the best teams in the nation. I have no problem admitting that. Without even looking at their schedule I know I've watched at least a half of the Badgers against FSU, Marquette, Pitt, Ohio St, Illinois and Iowa. Yes, Wisconsin plays great as a team, but I don't think they are far and away better than any team in recent memory. Right now, with the way UNC has played their last four games, I don't think there is another team in the nation they aren't better than on a neutral court.

Yes, North Carolina lost to Va Tech by six, but another minute could have made a HUGE difference in that game. The Heels were down 20 with six minutes to go and cut the lead to 3 with about 17 left. If there is another minute on the clock that game could have easily gone the other way at the rate it was going.

I never said Wisconsin was six deep. I said they would be six deep if they went into Arizona without three of their top 9 players. That's true. I don't think they could dominate the Wildcats in those circumstances. North Carolina did. I understand Wisconsin has solid role players, like Landry who you brought up. The Tar Heels aren't any different. Deon Thompson and Alex Stephenson average 8.3 points and 5.4 rebounds off the bench. When Brandan Wright, easy choice for ACC Freshman of the Year, missed the game on Saturday they stepped up to combine for 24 points and 12 rebounds. North Carolina has the best frontcourt and point guard depth in the nation coming off the bench.

You make these statements about casual fans think this and that, but when it comes down to it, only a casual fan would think that anywhere near half of the teams in the Big 10 are better defensively than North Carolina. You question whether I have seen the Badgers play this year, which I