Preseason NCAA Basketball Poll is released

[jermtheworm]

Hey guys, V-Tech played Virginia last night, Miami has Wake this weekend, do you think the head coaches of both schools were pushing to go to the ACC?

[mray10]

How does UA finish the year? Top 25? Top 10?

I'd say Top 15.

They'll probably lose once more in conference and could get knocked off in the conference tourney. And they have every opportunity to get to the Elite 8, I think. Probably no further without some luck.

[seekupig]

Hey guys, V-Tech played Virginia last night, Miami has Wake this weekend, do you think the head coaches of both schools were pushing to go to the ACC?

i doubt they were even asked. that move was made more for football than basketball. the fact that they're both playing well so far is a bonus though. Kind of like the 1992 season when FSU joined the ACC (for football purposes) and they finished second in the ACC in basketball their first year in.

[Third Floor]

Hey guys, V-Tech played Virginia last night, Miami has Wake this weekend, do you think the head coaches of both schools were pushing to go to the ACC?
skip was im pretty sure. the only schools that were against it were duke and unc.

[jermtheworm]

why were duke and unc anti?

[jermtheworm]

They'll probably lose once more in conference and could get knocked off in the conference tourney. And they have every opportunity to get to the Elite 8, I think. Probably no further without some luck.[/QUOTE]
Amir will have to stay hot, I think, for Elite 8. Washington is solid. That guard ate OU up in the Alaska Shoot-Out.

[jermtheworm]

P.S. As it stands now, I know alot of season left, OU has 2 losses, both to Top 10 teams. Not bad in the eyes of selection committee I would think

[seekupig]

why were duke and unc anti?

they say tradition. not being able to play every team twice a year. there is some truth to that, but other conferences have had to deal with the same thing. I think they were at a point when they didn't think football programs could get much worse.........then Va Tech and Miami show up.

[jermtheworm]

they say tradition. not being able to play every team twice a year. there is some truth to that, but other conferences have had to deal with the same thing. I think they were at a point when they didn't think football programs could get much worse.........then Va Tech and Miami show up.



when the big 12 was formed, ou lost the rivalry of nebraska, that game just isn't the same anymore.

"F*CKING HILLBILLIES!"- Bill Callehan post whooping in Norman this year.

[seekupig]

when the big 12 was formed, ou lost the rivalry of nebraska, that game just isn't the same anymore.

"F*CKING HILLBILLIES!"- Bill Callehan post whooping in Norman this year.

ahhh, the good old days. like Danny Manning single handedly beating #1 Oklahoma w/ Stacey King, Mookie Blaylock, and Harvey Grant for the National Championship........those were the times.:)

[jermtheworm]

ahhh, the good old days. like Danny Manning single handedly beating #1 Oklahoma w/ Stacey King, Mookie Blaylock, and Harvey Grant for the National Championship........those were the times.:)

Wandered how long that would take. Livin' in the past baby!:)

[jermtheworm]

by the way,probably ou's only chance at b-ball championship ever again

[haildmb]

they say tradition. not being able to play every team twice a year. there is some truth to that, but other conferences have had to deal with the same thing. I think they were at a point when they didn't think football programs could get much worse.........then Va Tech and Miami show up.


They were also concerned with elevated travel costs/days missed by "student athletes," especially with the idiotic decision to bring Boston College into the conference :rolleyes

[mray10]

Amir will have to stay hot, I think, for Elite 8. Washington is solid. That guard ate OU up in the Alaska Shoot-Out.

UA this year is a typical UA team. If they get hot, they have enough talent that they could beat anyone. But they are still the kind of team that could take a night off and lose to No. 15 seeded Santa Clara :BANG

[jermtheworm]

They were also concerned with elevated travel costs/days missed by "student athletes," especially with the idiotic decision to bring Boston College into the conference :rolleyes

don't get me started on that, they (ncaa, conference commisioners, presidents) all talk out of both sides of their mouths on that. they got the three other teams SPECIFICALLY for a money game for the conference championship in football:ggoat <is that a donkey?

[jermtheworm]

UA this year is a typical UA team. If they get hot, they have enough talent that they could beat anyone. But they are still the kind of team that could take a night off and lose to No. 15 seeded Santa Clara :BANG


i have a buddy that's a big UA fan so i keep up with them. Lute is a great coach so don't get me wrong, but it seems like the team tends to play down to the compition. frustrating

[ousooner]

ahhh, the good old days. like Danny Manning single handedly beating #1 Oklahoma w/ Stacey King, Mookie Blaylock, and Harvey Grant for the National Championship........those were the times.:)

That game still haunts me to this day! It's up there with the Rick Fox (UNC) buzzer beater layup to knock a ranked #1 and seeded #1 OU team out of the tournament in the second round of the 1990 tournament. What are the odds that KU, a questionable team for the tournament to begin with (21-11) and a team that OU had already beaten twice that season, makes that run with the Final Four just happening to be at Kemper Arena in Kansas City? Other then this years Orange Bowl OU is always getting shafted in championship game locations.

1. 88' Orange Bowl vs. Miami on there home field, the Orange Bowl: OU loses 20-14
2. 88' Final Four vs. Kansas at Kemper: OU loses 83-79
3. 2001 Orange Bowl vs. Florida State at the Orange Bowl: OU wins 13-2
4. 2004 Sugar Bowl vs. LSU in New Orleans: OU loses 21-14

If these games are played at anything close to a neutral site, which these were not, OU would have probably one all three that they lost.

That 88' team is one the great teams to not win the national championship. Up there with Houston (Drexler and Olajuwon), UNLV (the repeat effort with Larry Johnson, Stacy Augmon, Greg Anthony), and Michigan (Fab Five).

Check out some of the scores from that season. Billy (Tubbs) Ball was great!
http://www.soonerstats.com/bb/seasons/schedule.cfm?SeasonID=1988

[gbs3769]

when the big 12 was formed, ou lost the rivalry of nebraska, that game just isn't the same anymore.

That's accurate. It's too bad. I'd love for my Huskers to have a second opportunity at you Sooners.

And man does our recruiting class look solid for this year...

- Matt

[haildmb]

don't get me started on that, they (ncaa, conference commisioners, presidents) all talk out of both sides of their mouths on that. they got the three other teams SPECIFICALLY for a money game for the conference championship in football:ggoat <is that a donkey?


Uhm, I know why they got the three teams. I'm saying why unc/Duke were opposed.

[jermtheworm]

That's accurate. It's too bad. I'd love for my Huskers to have a second opportunity at you Sooners.

And man does our recruiting class look solid for this year...

- Matt

That it does, but is Callahan the man to bring back the Big Red Machine?

I had a great time at the 2000 game, after the game hung out with some Husker faithful, RESPECT! for ya'll.

[jermtheworm]

Uhm, I know why they got the three teams. I'm saying why unc/Duke were opposed.

Gottcha

[ousooner]

That's accurate. It's too bad. I'd love for my Huskers to have a second opportunity at you Sooners.

And man does our recruiting class look solid for this year...

- Matt

2000 and 2001 felt close to the old rivalry, but this years game sure didn't. I think more then only playing twice every four years is that it's just not the same when one or both programs are down. We are used to both teams being ranked in the top 10 every year with the Orange Bowl at stake like in the Big 8 days.

[mray10]

i have a buddy that's a big UA fan so i keep up with them. Lute is a great coach so don't get me wrong, but it seems like the team tends to play down to the compition. frustrating

They aren't a very business-like team. For example, Illinois approaches every game with the same intensity, not too up and not too down. You can see how well that pays off. The players at Arizona made no secret of the facts that they'd been looking to this Washington game all year, and especially since beating UCLA a couple weeks ago. They won on the road against the Oregon schools and they beat Washington last night, but there's no way they'll come out playing intense against Washington St. tomorrow. (Plus, they never seem to play as well in day games as they do at night.) They're at home so they should get by tomorrow, but it may be closer than it ought to be.

[jermtheworm]

Glad to see another Sooner in the house. I had forgot about the UNC game, thanks.

[ousooner]

Glad to see another Sooner in the house. I had forgot about the UNC game, thanks.

My bad, the 88' KU reference brought back the UNC memory. They go hand in hand with me.

[jermtheworm]

They aren't a very business-like team. For example, Illinois approaches every game with the same intensity, not too up and not too down. You can see how well that pays off. The players at Arizona made no secret of the facts that they'd been looking to this Washington game all year, and especially since beating UCLA a couple weeks ago. They won on the road against the Oregon schools and they beat Washington last night, but there's no way they'll come out playing intense against Washington St. tomorrow. (Plus, they never seem to play as well in day games as they do at night.) They're at home so they should get by tomorrow, but it may be closer than it ought to be.

that could be a trap game, but they should pull it out

[jermtheworm]

We have to be carefull of ISU this weekend. They're ofer in conf but you gotta win these road games in conf to contend

[gbs3769]

That it does, but is Callahan the man to bring back the Big Red Machine?

I think that he can do some good things. I was really pleased with him as the choice after I got over the fact that they were not going to keep Bo Pelini. I'm more interested in seeing them balance the offense and continue to build a strong defense squad like the Blackshirts of the mid 90s.

I think more then only playing twice every four years is that it's just not the same when one or both programs are down. We are used to both teams being ranked in the top 10 every year with the Orange Bowl at stake like in the Big 8 days.

Yup. The hope is that they will both be in the upper eschelon of college football soon. Obviously Oklahoma is there right now and I really do believe that once Callahan gets some players (what a recruiting class it is looking like this year!) that are fit to play his system I think that we will see some great things out of Lincoln.

And if Texas could win big games with some consistancy then we would have an amazing trip with K State looking to break into the pack. The conference as a whole has so much potential that it really is sickening.

- Matt

[jermtheworm]

I'm surprised that Pelini didn't get a head coaching job this off-season

[bustdstuff]

skip was im pretty sure. the only schools that were against it were duke and unc.

It was more than two schools. Basically it was all the basketball coaches vs. the college presidents. Even basketball coaches from outside the conference made comments about so obviously choosing the future of the conference. The decision was presidents and chancellors telling their basketball programs that they weren't good enough to continue as the face of the ACC.


P.S. Sorry I know that post was a while ago, but I had to say something.:rolleyes

[jermtheworm]

That's OK, Thanks for the comment.

But yeah the presidents basically said take a back seat, we want to be a football conference.

[jermtheworm]

Have A Good Evening Guys. I'm Out

[mizzoudmbfan]

I was really pleased with him as the choice after I got over the fact that they were not going to keep Bo Pelini.

Now exactly what choice was Cornahan? Wasnt he about your 3rd or 4th pick?

[bdb23]

Where all the hoops fans today??? UNC rolls at UVA. Illini beating up the Gophers. Anyone else out there??

[twosteppn36]

im here, but im leaving :lol


go 'cuse!

[bdb23]

23-point win. Sweet.

[ousooner]

Where all the hoops fans today??? UNC rolls at UVA. Illini beating up the Gophers. Anyone else out there??

I'm watching OU struggle early at Iowa St. Down 17-11, 7:23 first half.

[Mickey Carson]

My alma mater beat 11th-ranked Arizona at UA today for the first time in 20 years :) Go Cougs

[bdb23]

My alma mater beat 11th-ranked Arizona at UA today for the first time in 20 years :) Go Cougs
:thumbsup

[clayj41]

Where all the hoops fans today??? UNC rolls at UVA. Illini beating up the Gophers. Anyone else out there??

Sorry I'm late.

[twosteppn36]

kentucky survives

[bdb23]

kentucky survives
Yeah. We're getting some top teams surviving today. OU is still behind by 10, though

[clayj41]

kentucky survives

Too bad Syracuse won't. :D

[twosteppn36]

Too bad Syracuse won't. :D


we'll see

i see syracuse winning in another close one

[clayj41]

we'll see

i see syracuse winning in another close one

Yeah, I think they're definitely the better team and they'll most likely win.

[twosteppn36]

Yeah, I think they're definitely the better team and they'll most likely win.


as long as they contain troutman and taft, they wont have any problem. i can see them trying to get those two in foul trouble early

[bdb23]

Gotta love Sirius. OU vs. ISU game should be interesting down the stretch. ISU up 7 with about 2:30 left.

[bdb23]

ISU beats OU by 8.

[bdb23]

#4 SU going down.

[twosteppn36]

thank you pittsburgh for ending 3 weeks without a beer :lol

[ousooner]

ISU beats OU by 8.

OU was down 6 at half and down 15 right out of the half. Went on a run and got to within 4 with about 8 minutes left, but that was it. Played like crap. Not intensity, no fire, a ton of turnovers, etc. Combine that with the fact that Ames is a really difficult place to play and you get a loss. Probably not a bad loss though. It will give Kelvin and the team something to really focus on. They were probably a little to fat after ten straight wins.

[unccrombie]

:lol about time SU starts to lose, time for a big wake up call to smack 'em :lol

[twosteppn36]

time for a big wake up call to smack 'em :lol


:thumbsup

they arent going to win against big time clubs with just two guys scoring. that was ridiculous.

[seekupig]

Rock, Chalk, Jayhawk.............:)

[unccrombie]

GT loses to MD, and Uconn to ND. the GT loss hurts Wake and Duke. ND will be fiesty for SU :) can't wait for that game

[meatball41]

Rock, Chalk, Jayhawk.............:)

As ashamed as I am to admit it after being a pretty big college hoops fan for over 20 years, I have no idea what that means and have always wondered. And also what's the story behind Allen Fieldhouse and the "Phog"?

[unccrombie]

And also what's the story behind Allen Fieldhouse and the "Phog"?

"unsolved females saying no cases" :24

[bustdstuff]

I think the Cameron Crazies have Va Tech a little flustered. Not that they actually have a basketball team.

[unccrombie]

I think the Cameron Crazies have Va Tech a little flustered. Not that they actually have a basketball team.
:thumbsdow i'm gonna impersonate a cameron crazy for your bachlorette par-tay

[bustdstuff]

:thumbsdow i'm gonna impersonate a cameron crazy for your bachlorette par-tay




Yummy yummy. :D

[haildmb]

GT loses to MD, and Uconn to ND. the GT loss hurts Wake and Duke. ND will be fiesty for SU :) can't wait for that game


it hurts... Duke?

[haildmb]

looks like overrated Uconn lost again

[unccrombie]

it hurts... Duke?
makes MD seem more as a competition and not just a fluke win

[twosteppn36]

wouldnt that help duke then? :)

[bustdstuff]

wouldnt that help duke then? :)

Yes it does. The GT loss however does not help Duke. Really doesn't help anyone.

[MarkDMB]

As ashamed as I am to admit it after being a pretty big college hoops fan for over 20 years, I have no idea what that means and have always wondered. And also what's the story behind Allen Fieldhouse and the "Phog"?


Rock Chalk Chant history (http://www.rockchalk.com/john/john/rock.html)

As for the Phog, Allen Fieldhouse is named after Dr. Forrest "Phog" Allen. Allen was the KU coach for 39 years, after learning the game from it's inventor, Dr. James Naismith (the only coach at KU to have a losing record). At KU, Allen played alongside Adolf Rupp and coached Dean Smith, among others. Allen was instrumental in making basketball a medal sport in the Olympics, and was a huge supporter of the Basketball Hall of Fame.

There is a banner that hangs in the Fieldhouse which says "Pay Heed to All Who Enter: Beware of the Phog." It aludes to the history of the building, and that "Phog's ghost" helps KU during games.

Someone else could probably do a better job of explaining it. But that's two of our traditions at KU.

[UNC41]

Yes it does. The GT loss however does not help Duke. Really doesn't help anyone.

Nobody except for Maryland.

[bustdstuff]

Nobody except for Maryland.


Very true.

[UNC41]

I think the ACC is shaping up similar to the way many thought just with different teams in different positions. Preseason everyone thought UNC, Wake, and Ga Tech would be the elite and then there would be about five teams beating up on each other with a couple at the bottom. Here's hot it looks as of now.

Elite: UNC, Wake, Duke
Teams beating up on each other: Maryland, Ga Tech, NC State, Florida St, Miami, and Va Tech (with Miami and Va Tech suprises in that category)
Bottom: Virginia and Clemson

[clayj41]

Yeah, it doesn't really hurt or help anyone. It does make UNC look pretty good however considering how bad they demolished Maryland.

[UNC41]

If Maryland finishes off the season strong it will make UNC look good, but just beating Ga Tech doesn't, because then you could go on and on with Wake beat UNC, FSU beat wake, Va Tech beat FSU....

[clayj41]

If Maryland finishes off the season strong it will make UNC look good, but just beating Ga Tech doesn't, because then you could go on and on with Wake beat UNC, FSU beat wake, Va Tech beat FSU....

:thumbsup Agreed.

[UNC41]

I read today that some people think Roy isn't starting Marvin Williams to keep him from entering the draft this year. That's so riduculous. Which at minimum three year starter in the front court is Roy supposed to bench, Jawad (who is scoring over 16 a game and one of the team's biggest leaders) or May (just 15 and 9 in less than 24 minutes). It would be stupid to start him over Manuel because of their offense is so much effective when you have three smaller and quicker guys on the court. Plus, why switch it up right now and risk losing chemistry?

[meatball41]

Rock Chalk Chant history (http://www.rockchalk.com/john/john/rock.html)

As for the Phog, Allen Fieldhouse is named after Dr. Forrest "Phog" Allen. Allen was the KU coach for 39 years, after learning the game from it's inventor, Dr. James Naismith (the only coach at KU to have a losing record). At KU, Allen played alongside Adolf Rupp and coached Dean Smith, among others. Allen was instrumental in making basketball a medal sport in the Olympics, and was a huge supporter of the Basketball Hall of Fame.

There is a banner that hangs in the Fieldhouse which says "Pay Heed to All Who Enter: Beware of the Phog." It aludes to the history of the building, and that "Phog's ghost" helps KU during games.

Someone else could probably do a better job of explaining it. But that's two of our traditions at KU.

Ahh..learn something new everyday. Thank you for the info. Much apprecaited. :thumbsup

[RJ2kWJ]

Know your role VT... Get out the fawkin ACC.

[UNC41]

Carolina only beat them by 34. That must mean the Heels suck...

[bustdstuff]

Carolina only beat them by 34. That must mean the Heels suck...

:lol :lol

If you say so.

[RJ2kWJ]

Carolina only beat them by 34. That must mean the Heels suck...

:D hahaha

2nd best playing team in the nation right now. :)

See I can give the heels props.

[seekupig]

:D hahaha

2nd best playing team in the nation right now. :)

See I can give the heels props.

who do you consider #1? Illinois I hope.

[RJ2kWJ]

who do you consider #1? Illinois I hope.

Yup yup yup

[seekupig]

Yup yup yup

cool. living around here, tend to meet Duke fans that think they're the best team in the country no matter what.....glad to see you're not one of those.:)

[RJ2kWJ]

cool. living around here, tend to meet Duke fans that think they're the best team in the country no matter what.....glad to see you're not one of those.:)

haha nope def. not one of those. :D

[seekupig]

thoughts on the new rankings today..........

AP ->

1. Illinois
2. UNC
3. Kansas
4. Duke
5. Syracuse
6. Wake Forest
7. Boston College
8. Kentucky
9. Oklahoma St.
10. Louisville

ESPN ->

let me consult the TV schedule and i'll get back to you later...........

although i would say UNC-2, Duke-3 with everyone in Bristol praying for an Illinois loss this week to create the dream matchup for Feb. 9th that Dick Vitale would cream himself over is very likely......

[dmb1spe]

Kentucky at 8 seems a bit low...

[jermtheworm]

good morning guys, well congrats to duke and ku for holding up their end of the bargain. really dissapointed with OU this weekend. if anybody tries to play man against OU the rest of the season they should get fired. OU can't handle the zone. i've played on junior high teams that played better against the zone.

[seekupig]

Kentucky at 8 seems a bit low...

probably is, i just figured with them barely scraping by against Arkansas and BC right behind them in the current poll, remaining undefeated they may switch places. won't be a knock on UK, just showing BC a little respect for going undefeated this late in the season.

[dmb1spe]

Oh BC gets major dap from me. Undefeated is undefeated in any conference.

[Third Floor]

although i would say UNC-2, Duke-3 with everyone in Bristol praying for an Illinois loss this week to create the dream matchup for Feb. 9th that Dick Vitale would cream himself over is very likely......
duke's gotta get past feb 2nd first.

[UNC41]

Kentucky at 8 seems a bit low...

I don't know who they would be ranked higher over.

[unccrombie]

i think SU will drop to 6, Kentucky I dont think will be 8, and WF will be lower than 5 seeing they lost to GT who lost to MD

[gbs3769]

Wow. So Syracuse sucked. That is about all I can say about their performance. No one showed up to play. No one at all. After we went up by 17, the team decided that they were going to skate away with this one and stopped playing. They simply stopped wanting it. No one aside from Gerry and Hakim wanted to score, that is a problem.

Josh Pace and Billy Edelin had no effect what so ever in trying to bring the ball inside, and Nichols and McCroskey couldn't shoot. The fact that Roberts looked hesitant and they never worked the inside of the zone that was played in the second half was a problem. The stat that tells all, aside from Warrick and McNamara, the team was averaging 41.5 points a game. Against Pitt, they accounted for 18. As Jimmy has said all year, the Sophomores need to step it up.

There are a couple of good things that will come out of this loss however. First, the fact that they needed a wake up call. It would have been great to keep on wining, but hopefully they will realize that anyone can lose in this league and it is incredibly difficult to beat any team on the road in the Big East. Second, we have a chance for redemption (and Boeheim's #700) against Pitt in the Dome on Valentine's Day.

And I think we drop to 9.

- Matt

[seekupig]

I don't know who they would be ranked higher over.

they are ranked ahead of Kansas in the ESPN/USA Today poll. probably because they have a better record, tougher schedule, and beat Kansas head to head at Allen Fieldhouse........:rolleyes

[Davenumber40]

I'm fine with 8th for UK. I figure we're gonna lose one more and probably come out with a 3 seed. Either way we ought to be about 7-10 for the selection committee. The polls are worthless.

[unccrombie]

duke's gotta get past feb 2nd first.
:thumbsup big game there

[dukelax2589]

im more for the acc then the ncaa

[unccrombie]

im more for the acc then the ncaa
nah, i'd like to see a su/nd, su/bc, bc/nd game anyday

[seekupig]

im more for the acc then the ncaa

would you explain that a little more? not really following you........

[unccrombie]

would you explain that a little more? not really following you........
to me it seems as if he enjoys the conference more than the whole league stating theres more excitement, talent, and drama in the acc then the ncaa as a whole. at least thats what i get from it

[seekupig]

to me it seems as if he enjoys the conference more than the whole league stating theres more excitement, talent, and drama in the acc then the ncaa as a whole. at least thats what i get from it

thanks for clearing that up........and in unrelated news.............

i'm more for the Big XII than Diet Mountain Dew.

[Davenumber40]

I don't know where you're from but maybe you've just lived in NC for a while. I know in Kentucky there's more excitement over UK and anyone than there is over UNC/Duke. That's just the way it is. Everyone around here is talking about the UK/Florida game next week.

[watchtower41]

im more for the acc then the ncaa



youre missing out on some damn good basketball then.



By the way, couldnt get enough of the "love" Jay Bilas was getting at Allen Fieldhouse on Saturday for College Gameday...everytime he mentioned UNC, the boos came ringing in, loud and abbundant. Digger even gave him some shit for it... and Bilas goes, no, theyre just canting "Moody"

WRONG. theyre reminding you on how big of a homer you are for the ACC. Then he goes ahead and calls Lucas the best player in the Big XII. I'm glad he got an upclose view of Big Dub's exhibition.


Mizzou dies AGAIN in the Fieldhouse tonight. :D


Here's how I see the polls shaking out for today....


1. Illinois
2. UNC
3. Kansas
4. Duke
5. Boston College (gotta be ahead of the Orange at this point, imo)
6. Wake Forest
7. Kentucky
8. Syracuse
9. Louisville (hottest team in the country right now, outside of Champaign)
10. Oklahoma State

[unccrombie]

1. Illinois
2. UNC
3. Kansas
4. Duke
5. Boston College (gotta be ahead of the Orange at this point, imo)
6. Wake Forest
7. Kentucky
8. Syracuse
9. Louisville (hottest team in the country right now, outside of Champaign)
10. Oklahoma State

no way kansas is jumping from 7 to 3 :24

[seekupig]

I don't know where you're from but maybe you've just lived in NC for a while. I know in Kentucky there's more excitement over UK and anyone than there is over UNC/Duke. That's just the way it is. Everyone around here is talking about the UK/Florida game next week.

I'm not a fan of UNC of Duke but I can tell you that there is no bigger game on a national or local scale than UNC/Duke, especially when they are both ranked high. hell, your location is Lexington, wouldn't expect for you to hear about anything but the Wildcats around there. UK/Louisville is big, KU/Missouri is big, and there are a bunch of others.........but nothing compares to UNC/Duke.

[watchtower41]

no way kansas is jumping from 7 to 3 :24



if they dropped from 2 to 8, they can jump back up from 7 to 2. KU just beat a top 15 team by 25. All the teams in-between them lost last week (w/ exception to UK in the ESPN poll) I dont see it as a stretch at all.

[seekupig]

no way kansas is jumping from 7 to 3 :24

they are actually #6 in the AP. besides, they fell from #2 to #6 last week. everyone that jumped them in the polls lost this week. why can't they?:24

[unccrombie]

i'm gonna bring up the ND/villanova game. ND won by 6, and with their win @ uconn they've set themselves up nicely for a chance at a decent tourney seed with some key wins down the strecth if they can pull it off

[unccrombie]

they are actually #6 in the AP. besides, they fell from #2 to #6 last week. everyone that jumped them in the polls lost this week. why can't they?:24
that means they'd be ahead of BC and Duke. Duke's loss wasn't as bad as KU's. They should be somewhere around 5/6 ahead of kentucky

[bustdstuff]

i think SU will drop to 6, Kentucky I dont think will be 8, and WF will be lower than 5 seeing they lost to GT who lost to MD

and soon we'll be able to follow it all the way back to clemson winning the national championship.

although i would say UNC-2, Duke-3 with everyone in Bristol praying for an Illinois loss this week to create the dream matchup for Feb. 9th that Dick Vitale would cream himself over is very likely......

I would be forced to watch the game while trying to find it on radio. Because I think my head would explode before he was done "previewing" the game.

[seekupig]

that means they'd be ahead of BC and Duke. Duke's loss wasn't as bad as KU's. They should be somewhere around 5/6 ahead of kentucky

they were still ahead of BC after their loss last week. why would that change now?

Duke lost a home game. Kansas lost a road game against a team that will probably crack the top 25 today.

[ProudestAnt]

No way SU will fall that far...

[bustdstuff]

i'm gonna bring up the ND/villanova game. ND won by 6, and with their win @ uconn they've set themselves up nicely for a chance at a decent tourney seed with some key wins down the strecth if they can pull it off

:thumbsup :thumbsup

If they can get through @SU and @Pitt. They should get a 9 seed and maybe as high as a 7.

[watchtower41]

that means they'd be ahead of BC and Duke. Duke's loss wasn't as bad as KU's. They should be somewhere around 5/6 ahead of kentucky

Agreed... then again, if you want to argue that... nobody's loss is as bad as UNC's to Santa Clara, and even though they have more losses than anybody else in the top 5, is anybody arguing that they'll be No.2 this week? It's fore gone conclusion.....

[bustdstuff]

I don't know where you're from but maybe you've just lived in NC for a while. I know in Kentucky there's more excitement over UK and anyone than there is over UNC/Duke. That's just the way it is. Everyone around here is talking about the UK/Florida game next week.

Nothing against your Kentucky ball, but where's UF ranked?



No way SU will fall that far...

They lost to Pitt. Be happy they stay in the top ten. Yes they should stay high, but not to high.

[seekupig]

Nothing against you Kentucky ball, but where's UF ranked?

lookin' like they might be the third best team in the state.

[bustdstuff]

lookin' like they might be the third best team in the state.



Exactly.


P.S. You gotta love monday's on the basketball thread. It's the only good thing about it.

[gbs3769]

If they can get through @SU and @Pitt.

They won't get through @SU. It's going to be a record breaking (our record that is) crowd in the dome on Sunday. You are going to see 33,350 packing the Loud House.

No way SU will fall that far...

I can see the voters saying that SU was overrated and bumping them down athat far. I still say 9. But that's my opinion.

- Matt

[watchtower41]

P.S. You gotta love monday's on the basketball thread. It's the only good thing about it.


Shit, I love every day in this thread...though its a bit tougher to get any type of discussion going on the weekend's which would explain why its always so busy and heated in here on Monday mornings....anybody can go to a "fan" site and talk about their fav team, sure people in this thread care about their fav team, but the majority of us are also college hoops connoisseur's in here....the talk never gets dry :D

[RJ2kWJ]

So why do so many other people not like JJ? Just curious. I go to the gym every day and a lot of days Im wearing some form of a Duke shirt or shorts. I always hear "Dukes good but JJ sucks." Is it jealousy? Or do people honestly have reasons to back up why JJ is a bad player?

[bustdstuff]

So why do so many other people not like JJ? Just curious. I go to the gym every day and a lot of days Im wearing some form of a Duke shirt or shorts. I always hear "Dukes good but JJ sucks." Is it jealousy? Or do people honestly have reasons to back up why JJ is a bad player?


It's all about jealousy. They don't like him because he doesn't have many flaws in his game, and he's always working on the ones that he has.

[ousooner]

I don't know where you're from but maybe you've just lived in NC for a while. I know in Kentucky there's more excitement over UK and anyone than there is over UNC/Duke. That's just the way it is. Everyone around here is talking about the UK/Florida game next week.

I am a huge Oklahoma fan and look forward to the Bedlam games every year and OU-Kansas/OU-texas, but as a basketball fan, nothing beats UNC-Duke. Without a doubt, my two, three if I'm lucky, favorite games of the season.

[UNC41]

So why do so many other people not like JJ? Just curious. I go to the gym every day and a lot of days Im wearing some form of a Duke shirt or shorts. I always hear "Dukes good but JJ sucks." Is it jealousy? Or do people honestly have reasons to back up why JJ is a bad player?

It's the bacne (back acne) from his freshman year.

[UNC41]

It's all about jealousy. They don't like him because he doesn't have many flaws in his game, and he's always working on the ones that he has.

I think the biggest flaw in Redick's game is relying too much on the three-point shot. He is one of the best in the nation at dialing it up from long distance, yet is nowhere near the top of the nation in shooting percentage. Meanwhile, Redick is one of the best at hitting free throws also. He has shot about 40 less free throws than treys. When you are that good from the stripe that shouldn't happen. If he had better shot selection on his 3's and instead got to the free throw line more often he'd be even better than he is now.

[UNC41]

Here's how I'd rank em.

1. Illinois
2. UNC
3. Kansas
4. Duke
5. BC
6. Wake
7. Kentucky
8. Syracuse
9. Louisville
10. Michigan St

[clayj41]

Here's how I'd rank em.

1. Illinois
2. UNC
3. Kansas
4. Duke
5. BC
6. Wake
7. Kentucky
8. Syracuse
9. Louisville
10. Michigan St

:thumbsup

[seekupig]

AP should be up shortly, updated RPI was just released. RPI rank w/ strength of schedule in ( ).

1. Kansas (1)
2. Duke (32)
3. Boston College (67)
4. Illinois (69)
5. Wake Forest (9)
6. Oklahoma St. (7)
7. Washington (13)
8. UNC (35)
9. Arizona (10)
10. Kentucky (55)

[bustdstuff]

I think the biggest flaw in Redick's game is relying too much on the three-point shot. He is one of the best in the nation at dialing it up from long distance, yet is nowhere near the top of the nation in shooting percentage. Meanwhile, Redick is one of the best at hitting free throws also. He has shot about 40 less free throws than treys. When you are that good from the stripe that shouldn't happen. If he had better shot selection on his 3's and instead got to the free throw line more often he'd be even better than he is now.

That's the flaw. No denying it. However no one can complain that he's shooting 43% from the field and 43% from the arc. There aren't many guys that can do that, and Duke has still shot 124 more FT's than their opponent.



Edit: It's the overall shot selection, not just on the threes. :rolleyes

[bustdstuff]

AP should be up shortly, updated RPI was just released. RPI rank w/ strength of schedule in ( ).

1. Kansas (1)
2. Duke (32)
3. Boston College (67)
4. Illinois (69)
5. Wake Forest (9)
6. Oklahoma St. (7)
7. Washington (13)
8. UNC (35)
9. Arizona (10)
10. Kentucky (55)


I love the RPI. Begining of the season Duke's SOS was below 200. :lol :lol

[UNC41]

I love the RPI. Begining of the season Duke's SOS was below 200. :lol :lol

That's the ACC for ya.

[seekupig]

I love the RPI. Begining of the season Duke's SOS was below 200. :lol :lol

I love the RPI too.:D

actually, the only thing i do like about it is that it takes the human element out of voting, which strangely enough is the same thing i hate about it.

[bustdstuff]

I love the RPI too.:D

actually, the only thing i do like about it is that it takes the human element out of voting, which strangely enough is the same thing i hate about it.

That just about sums up life doesn't it?

[UNC41]

I love the RPI too.:D

actually, the only thing i do like about it is that it takes the human element out of voting, which strangely enough is the same thing i hate about it.

You can't help but not like it a little, just for that fact that it leads to more discussion around here.

[UNC41]

I'm going to be in Vegas for the first two days of the NCAA tournament this year. That'll be such a great place to catch two of the year's best days. Throw in all the fun at the sports books I'll have and it doesn't get much better than that.

[bustdstuff]

I'm going to be in Vegas for the first two days of the NCAA tournament this year. That'll be such a great place to catch two of the year's best days. Throw in all the fun at the sports books I'll have and it doesn't get much better than that.

What I wouldn't give to be in Vegas for the first weekend.

[UNC41]

It convenientely coincides with Spring Break, which is good because if I had class those days there is no way I'd be there.

[seekupig]

It convenientely coincides with Spring Break, which is good because if I had class those days there is no way I'd be there.

give you guys an idea how big college basketball is here. when i was in high school (years ago) there was a tv in every classroom during the ACC tournament and the first two days of the NCAA tournament just to get people to show up for school. If you can't beat 'em, join 'em.

[bustdstuff]

give you guys an idea how big college basketball is here. when i was in high school (years ago) there was a tv in every classroom during the ACC tournament and the first two days of the NCAA tournament just to get people to show up for school. If you can't beat 'em, join 'em.

See there's a school district that cares about a child's education!! Teaching them what's important in life. :D

[UNC41]

give you guys an idea how big college basketball is here. when i was in high school (years ago) there was a tv in every classroom during the ACC tournament and the first two days of the NCAA tournament just to get people to show up for school. If you can't beat 'em, join 'em.

Apparently you live where my mind does. Throughout high school my sick days conveniently happened those same two days each year.

[seekupig]

See there's a school district that cares about a child's education!! Teaching them what's important in life. :D

:lol

and they say you never use what you learn in school.........

[bustdstuff]

Apparently you live where my mind does. Throughout high school my sick days conveniently happened those same two days each year.

See I didn't have to fake sick. There are a very few rare instances in life when being a woman comes in handy. No one ever questions extreme cramps. :evil :evil

[gbs3769]

I'll be in the Dome for the East Regionals unless Syracuse is playing in Chicago for the Midwest.

- Matt

[seekupig]

new AP poll..........

1. Illinois
2. UNC
3. Kansas
4. Duke
5. Boston College
6. Kentucky
7. Wake Forest
8. Syracuse
9. Louisville
10. Oklahoma St.


22. Maryland
24. Villanova
25. Georgia Tech

[bdb23]

new AP poll..........

1. Illinois
2. UNC
3. Kansas
4. Duke
5. Boston College
6. Kentucky
7. Wake Forest
8. Syracuse
9. Louisville
10. Oklahoma St.


22. Maryland
24. Villanova
25. Georgia Tech

Illini unanimous #1, too. :thumbsup

[bustdstuff]

new AP poll..........

22. Maryland
24. Villanova
25. Georgia Tech

Absolutely no problem with Maryland, but how the hell is GT still in the top 25!!!!

[seekupig]

Absolutely no problem with Maryland, but how the hell is GT still in the top 25!!!!

1. beat Wake
2. benefit of the doubt without Elder
3. that's the only thing i can come up with........

[mray10]

Arizona and Washington both fall three spots, Washington #13, Arizona now #14. UA beat Washington (in Tucson) on Thursday night, but then on Saturday UA lost to Washington State for the first time since 1986. :(

[JimiThang1]

Absolutely no problem with Maryland, but how the hell is GT still in the top 25!!!!

I think they gave us the benefit of the doubt for beating Wake.

[watchtower41]

I'm going to be in Vegas for the first two days of the NCAA tournament this year. That'll be such a great place to catch two of the year's best days. Throw in all the fun at the sports books I'll have and it doesn't get much better than that.



Was there last year for opening weekend.... ranks right up there with the best sports moments in my life. Nothing like 10,000 people hanging out in the Mandalay Bay Sportsbook chanting "JASPERS, JASPERS, JASPERS" rooting for upsets left and right. Duke was favored by 49 last year in the first round... won by 50, the place errupted like it was New Years in Time Square.
It's better than being at the game, theyve got giant movie screens with each game on.... I planned on heading back this year, but I need detox from Vegas for awhile.... :evil

[seekupig]

I think they gave us the benefit of the doubt for beating Wake.

12-6 overall, 3-4 in the ACC. it's about time they start ranking them on the team that is playing, not the team they will be when Elder returns. One win should not give you the benefit of the doubt.

[bustdstuff]

1. beat Wake
2. benefit of the doubt without Elder
3. that's the only thing i can come up with........

Great, yea! How long are they supposed to get the freaking benefit of the freaking doubt because Elder's out. If KU lost without Simien how many games would they get the "benfit of the doubt", If Duke loses another one without Love are we gonna get this "benefit of the doubt". Give me a break!!!

[seekupig]

Originally Posted by unccrombie
no way kansas is jumping from 7 to 3
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[JimiThang1]

If Duke loses another one without Love are we gonna get this "benefit of the doubt". Give me a break!!!

Yea probably...these polls mean nothing anyways...

[unccrombie]

i dont agree with kansas being higher than BC, but whatever

[seekupig]

i dont agree with kansas being higher than BC, but whatever

but you do agree with two-loss UNC (santa clara) being ranked ahead of them? whatever.:)

[unccrombie]

but you do agree with two-loss UNC (santa clara) being ranked ahead of them? whatever.:)
never said i did. but unc losing to SC without felton is different than kansas being blown out by villinova with wayne

[watchtower41]

12-6 overall, 3-4 in the ACC. it's about time they start ranking them on the team that is playing, not the team they will be when Elder returns. One win should not give you the benefit of the doubt.


I knew eventually we'd have to disagree with something.... :lol the record numbers don't lie in favor for GTech at this point and certainly within the ACC, but their RPI is still pretty solid at #23. This is the reason they are still ranked and rightfully so....the benefit of doubt comes from being a Final 4 team last year (see UConn, where the benfit is even worse)



The voters certainly won't go out of their way to favor the Ramblin' Wreck, hell, until the past couple years, they hadnt even made a tourney since Starbury. I just feel voters arent ready to jump on Witchta State or Texas El Paso bandwagon and put them in the polls just yet. Iowa got poll-ousted over GTech, rightfully so... lost to NIT hopeful Northwestern team in OT

[seekupig]

never said i did. but unc losing to SC without felton is different than kansas being blown out by villinova with wayne

your right it is. Santa Clara sucks ass, and as of today 'Nova is ranked.

[watchtower41]

never said i did. but unc losing to SC without felton is different than kansas being blown out by villinova with wayne


UNC fans will never accept that Santa Clara loss. Theyre not even an NIT team right now, but you try to justify it by Kansas losing to 'Nova. :lol Try again. McCants could have sat that game out too, I'd still expect UNC to win that game by 10.


SANTA CLARA SCHEDULE/RESULTS

11/12 Duquesne W 74-65 1-0
11/13 at New Mexico L 93-59 1-1
11/14 N. Carolina A&T W 90-52 2-1
11/19 No. 3 North Carolina W 77-66 3-1 :BANG
11/23 at U of the Pacific L 71-65 3-2
11/28 Stanford W 86-76 4-2
12/1 San Jose State W 73-60 5-2
12/4 at Montana W 77-75 6-2
12/12 at Cal Poly L 98-89 6-3
12/14 UC Irvine L 70-58 6-4
12/18 Chico State W 87-74 7-4
12/22 at Arizona State L 68-63 7-5
12/28 Central Conn. L 80-68 7-6
12/29 Yale L 90-84 7-7
12/31 at BYU L 87-74 7-8
01/6 No. 17 Gonzaga L 91-87 7-9 (0-1)
01/8 Portland W 76-63 8-9 (1-1)
01/15 at St. Mary's (CA) W 65-42 9-9 (2-1)
01/20 at Loyola Marymnt W 68-57 10-9 (3-1)
01/22 at Pepperdine W 83-71 11-9 (4-1)
01/27 San Francisco L 62-60 11-10 (4-2)
01/29 San Diego W 85-73 12-10 (5-2)

[bdb23]

Shit!!! We've got Dick Vitale tomorrow for analysis.

[seekupig]

Shit!!! We've got Dick Vitale tomorrow for analysis.

that's only 'cause Duke plays on Wednesday.:D

[mray10]

Shit!!! We've got Dick Vitale tomorrow for analysis.

You only thought you wanted his respect. :rolleyes :)

[bdb23]

You only thought you wanted his respect. :rolleyes :)
I never wanted this. Keep us on ESPN+ regional if this is what we get.

[mray10]

I never wanted this. Keep us on ESPN+ regional if this is what we get.

FSN has some annoying announcers, but I virtually never have to listen to Dickie V call an Arizona game. :thumbsup

[seekupig]

FSN has some annoying announcers, but I virtually never have to listen to Dickie V call an Arizona game. :thumbsup

Lawrence, KS might be as far west as Dickie V has ever been. ever.

[UNC41]

UNC fans will never accept that Santa Clara loss. Theyre not even an NIT team right now, but you try to justify it by Kansas losing to 'Nova. :lol Try again. McCants could have sat that game out too, I'd still expect UNC to win that game by 10.


SANTA CLARA SCHEDULE/RESULTS

11/12 Duquesne W 74-65 1-0
11/13 at New Mexico L 93-59 1-1
11/14 N. Carolina A&T W 90-52 2-1
11/19 No. 3 North Carolina W 77-66 3-1 :BANG
11/23 at U of the Pacific L 71-65 3-2
11/28 Stanford W 86-76 4-2
12/1 San Jose State W 73-60 5-2
12/4 at Montana W 77-75 6-2
12/12 at Cal Poly L 98-89 6-3
12/14 UC Irvine L 70-58 6-4
12/18 Chico State W 87-74 7-4
12/22 at Arizona State L 68-63 7-5
12/28 Central Conn. L 80-68 7-6
12/29 Yale L 90-84 7-7
12/31 at BYU L 87-74 7-8
01/6 No. 17 Gonzaga L 91-87 7-9 (0-1)
01/8 Portland W 76-63 8-9 (1-1)
01/15 at St. Mary's (CA) W 65-42 9-9 (2-1)
01/20 at Loyola Marymnt W 68-57 10-9 (3-1)
01/22 at Pepperdine W 83-71 11-9 (4-1)
01/27 San Francisco L 62-60 11-10 (4-2)
01/29 San Diego W 85-73 12-10 (5-2)

Yes, it is a game they should have won with or without Felton, but the Santa Clara game isn't how the Heels season has or will be defined this year. It's their 8 victories by more than 30 points that has.

[UNC41]

Was there last year for opening weekend.... ranks right up there with the best sports moments in my life. Nothing like 10,000 people hanging out in the Mandalay Bay Sportsbook chanting "JASPERS, JASPERS, JASPERS" rooting for upsets left and right. Duke was favored by 49 last year in the first round... won by 50, the place errupted like it was New Years in Time Square.
It's better than being at the game, theyve got giant movie screens with each game on.... I planned on heading back this year, but I need detox from Vegas for awhile.... :evil

Expect a PM in sometime in the month asking what the best sports books to watch games are at.

[bustdstuff]

Shit!!! We've got Dick Vitale tomorrow for analysis.


Welcome to my world. :lol :BANG :lol

[bdb23]

Welcome to my world. :lol :BANG :lol
You can have it. If DirecTV wasn't on about a 5 second delay, I'd listen to the radio.

[bustdstuff]

You can have it. If DirecTV wasn't on about a 5 second delay, I'd listen to the radio.

Get on Yahoo sports. They air the school's radio broadcasts, a lot of them for free. I believe their schedule goes a week in advance.

[bdb23]

Get on Yahoo sports. They air the school's radio broadcasts, a lot of them for free. I believe their schedule goes a week in advance.
I'm fine with what's local. If I listen to the radio, it's about 5 seconds ahead of the television (Directv), though. I just have to tough it out with Dickie V. It just gives me another reason to yell while I watch the game.

[watchtower41]

Expect a PM in sometime in the month asking what the best sports books to watch games are at.

Not a problem at all buddy... I can tell ya more about Vegas than the ears could handle. You find a place to stay yet?? If you havent, I highly suggest you get on that right away... that weekend is one of the most popular weekends in Vegas next to the Superbowl.

[bustdstuff]

I guess it wouldn't matter. Just checked Yahoo, and they don't broadcast Illinois or Michigan State.

[UNC41]

Not a problem at all buddy... I can tell ya more about Vegas than the ears could handle. You find a place to stay yet?? If you havent, I highly suggest you get on that right away... that weekend is one of the most popular weekends in Vegas next to the Superbowl.

I'm all ears to what you've got to say. The more I know on what's good down there and what to avoid the better. We're going to stay at the MGM. Yesterday one of the guys I'm going with found a package of airfare and 4 nights there for $300 with taxes.

[unccrombie]

Yes, it is a game they should have won with or without Felton, but the Santa Clara game isn't how the Heels season has or will be defined this year. It's their 8 victories by more than 30 points that has.
:thumbsup

[UNC41]

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/bracketology

The projected Austin region looks pretty tough with UNC, Kentucky, Zona, Ok. St., Pitt., Texas, Ga. Tech, Florida, and possible sleeper GW

[bustdstuff]

Good luck to KU tonight. Missouri can be scrappy.

[seekupig]

Good luck to KU tonight. Missouri can be scrappy.

thanks. 9-2 already, Simien is a beast. forgot how much i hate Quinn "the golden boy" Snyder until this game came on. later..........

[unccrombie]

thanks. 9-2 already, Simien is a beast. forgot how much i hate Quinn "the golden boy" Snyder until this game came on. later..........
good coach, annoying human

my dad came home today with a free 61" toshiba, can you say college basketball in HD? :bounce

[bustdstuff]

thanks. 9-2 already, Simien is a beast. forgot how much i hate Quinn "the golden boy" Snyder until this game came on. later..........

Why do people call him "the Golden Boy"? There are definitely some guys from Duke that I would call a "Golden Boy" before him, or maybe it's a regional thing?

[RJ2kWJ]

good coach, annoying human

my dad came home today with a free 61" toshiba, can you say college basketball in HD? :bounce

Mmmmmm depends. A lot of shit you have to go through right now to get games in HD. Dont just think you can call your cable company, get a box and your good.

[bustdstuff]

good coach, annoying human

my dad came home today with a free 61" toshiba, can you say college basketball in HD?


There is no better sport to watch in HD. It is a truly beautiful thing.

[unccrombie]

Mmmmmm depends. A lot of shit you have to go through right now to get games in HD. Dont just think you can call your cable company, get a box and your good.
my dad has connections with direct TV, we're good to go :)

[UNC41]

good coach, annoying human

my dad came home today with a free 61" toshiba, can you say college basketball in HD? :bounce

Could you have you dad tell me how to get a free 61" tv?

[RJ2kWJ]

my dad has connections with direct TV, we're good to go :)

Good stuff. :D

I will also be watching it in HD... cant wait. :)

[unccrombie]

Good stuff. :D

I will also be watching it in HD... cant wait. :)
:) wooohooo

[moe.ron]

man we are playing msu at home tomorrow and that scares the crap out of me. Though the wisconsin game put me at ease.

[bdb23]

man we are playing msu at home tomorrow and that scares the crap out of me. Though the wisconsin game put me at ease.
Relax. Breathe.

[RJ2kWJ]

Ok so why cant I remember the history of Duke/UNC. Whats the god damn record?

[meatball41]

man we are playing msu at home tomorrow and that scares the crap out of me. Though the wisconsin game put me at ease.

Unfortunately I haven't had a chance yet to see Mich. State play this year. I know they got beat at Duke earlier in the year and almost stole one up at Wisconsin, but are they as tough as Wisconsin at home? It looks like matchup-wise it seems to be pretty even between them and the Illini. I think Illinois guard play is a little better, but it looks like Mich. State may have the edge when it comes to the front line. Anybody else had a chance to see them play yet that would have a better idea?

[unccrombie]

Ok so why cant I remember the history of Duke/UNC. Whats the god damn record?
i'll look it up

[unccrombie]

as of 03.11.2004 UNC leads the series 123-94

http://www.dukeupdate.com/Records/Opponents/North_Carolina.htm

[RJ2kWJ]

as of 03.11.2004 UNC leads the series 123-94

http://www.dukeupdate.com/Records/Opponents/North_Carolina.htm

And in the past 6 years Duke is up 14-2 right? Or something like that.

Edit: nevermind I looked at the site :D

[unccrombie]

And in the past 6 years Duke is up 14-2 right? Or something like that.

Edit: nevermind I looked at the site :D
i'd have to check, but most likely. duke has had some killer teams where as carolina went through the endless rebuilding years and finally got a good one in roy

[mizzoudmbfan]

Why do peoplcall him "the Golden Boy"? There are definitely some guys from Duke that I would call a "Golden Boy" before him, or maybe it's a regional thing?

People in both the national and regional media called Coach Snyder "Duke's Golden Boy" (among other variations) when e he first came to Mizzou(keep in mind we hired him over Bill Self who has since coached at our 2 biggest hoops rivals, kU and Illinois, and has yet to lose a game to us). The thinking at the time was that having played for and coached under Coach K that Coach Snyder(while unproven as an HC) would be an awesome coach and would be the heir apparent when Coach K decides to step down. Needless to say Coach Snyders record and off court actions have severly tarnished his golden boy image. I can't imagine Coach Snyder getting a job at a school even close to Mizzou's standards(even our standards before he came here) and think that his trip to Duke, if ever, will not be nearly as direct of a route as he planned.

just my .02

[watchtower41]

Nice run for the Tigers tonight.... the end of that first half just about made me puke. Scrappy bunch you got there...that Kleiza kid is a wrecking ball. Cant break the unbreakable though, Miles & Co. reign. See ya in Columbia, ROCKCHALK.

[UNC41]

as of 03.11.2004 UNC leads the series 123-94

http://www.dukeupdate.com/Records/Opponents/North_Carolina.htm

And in the past 6 years Duke is up 14-2 right? Or something like that.

Edit: nevermind I looked at the site]

I would hope you both know none of that will matter next Wednesday.

[seekupig]

nice game for KU last nite. struggled for awhile, switched to a zone defense and ran away with the game. looks like they're doing a better job making mid-game changes instead of playing close down to the wire and fixing it in practice the next day.

should be a good one tonite, if Illinois pulls it out, it's downhill to the NCAA tournament.........

[bdb23]

should be a good one tonite, if Illinois pulls it out, it's downhill to the NCAA tournament.........
:thumbsup I'll be leaving work early to get home for this one.

[RJ2kWJ]

I would hope you both know none of that will matter next Wednesday.

I also think it'll be 14-3 in the past 8 years. WOAHHHHHH. :D

[seekupig]

:thumbsup I'll be leaving work early to get home for this one.

Go Illini! people around here and on ESPN are chomping at the bit to make the Tarholes #1. It makes me fucking sick to watch Digger Phelps try to move UNC past Illinois on the ESPN poll last night to #1. "UNC is the most talented team in the country....blah, blah, blah" "UNC has the most depth.....blah,blah,blah"
Has anyone besides me noticed that they also have TWO FUCKING LOSSES? Yes, UNC is good. Yes, they have eight wins by thirty points or more. Both of their losses were double digits as well (a fact that seems to be forgotten by the tarhole faithful). Illinois and UNC have one common opponent. Wake Forest.

[bdb23]

Go Illini! people around here and on ESPN are chomping at the bit to make the Tarholes #1. It makes me fucking sick to watch Digger Phelps try to move UNC past Illinois on the ESPN poll last night to #1. "UNC is the most talented team in the country....blah, blah, blah" "UNC has the most depth.....blah,blah,blah"
Has anyone besides me noticed that they also have TWO FUCKING LOSSES? Yes, UNC is good. Yes, they have eight wins by thirty points or more. Both of their losses were double digits as well (a fact that seems to be forgotten by the tarhole faithful). Illinois and UNC have one common opponent. Wake Forest.
Nicely put.

[EatSleepJeep]

Hawkeye Pierre Pierce is out beating on women again...

http://www.dmregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050201/NEWS01/502010403/1001&lead=1

So he rapes and beats a female UI student, and gets off. Now he's at it again. My question: What's he doing in West Des Moines on a school night? It's 2 hours away from Iowa City.

[UNC41]

Go Illini! people around here and on ESPN are chomping at the bit to make the Tarholes #1. It makes me fucking sick to watch Digger Phelps try to move UNC past Illinois on the ESPN poll last night to #1. "UNC is the most talented team in the country....blah, blah, blah" "UNC has the most depth.....blah,blah,blah"
Has anyone besides me noticed that they also have TWO FUCKING LOSSES? Yes, UNC is good. Yes, they have eight wins by thirty points or more. Both of their losses were double digits as well (a fact that seems to be forgotten by the tarhole faithful). Illinois and UNC have one common opponent. Wake Forest.

While some on ESPN are touting the Heels at #1 have never argued that UNC deserves to be ranked higher than Illinois. Do I believe UNC is more talented and would beat Illinois on a neutral floor? Yes. However, the Illini have nothing this year but prove that they deserved to be the top ranked team in the nation by a unanimous vote.

[UNC41]

Hawkeye Pierre Pierce is out beating on women again...

http://www.dmregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050201/NEWS01/502010403/1001&lead=1

So he rapes and beats a female UI student, and gets off. Now he's at it again. My question: What's he doing in West Des Moines on a school night? It's 2 hours away from Iowa City.

But man can he put the rock in the hole...

[EatSleepJeep]

But man can he put the rock in the hole...
This will end his career. He has no one to blame but himself. The Polk County Attorney wants to nail his hide to the wall.

Ya' ain't in IC anymore Pierre, this be the capitol city.

[RJ2kWJ]

But man can he put the rock in the hole...

And Im sure he does enjoy stickin his rock in a hole.

Just a hole that doesnt want his rock in it.

[UNC41]

This will end his career. He has no one to blame but himself. The Polk County Attorney wants to nail his hide to the wall.

Ya' ain't in IC anymore Pierre, this be the capitol city.

You got the sarcasm in the first responds right? Anyways, it looks like Illiniois will have a much easier time when they play Iowa later this year.

[bdb23]

You got the sarcasm in the first responds right? Anyways, it looks like Illiniois will have a much easier time when they play Iowa later this year.
Good news. That and the Wisconsin game at Assembly Hall are the 2 games left I'm worried about if we get past MSU tonight.

[seekupig]

While some on ESPN are touting the Heels at #1 have never argued that UNC deserves to be ranked higher than Illinois. Do I believe UNC is more talented and would beat Illinois on a neutral floor? Yes. However, the Illini have nothing this year but prove that they deserved to be the top ranked team in the nation by a unanimous vote.

Last night at half time of the KU/Mizzou game, they broke out velcro-board Top 25. They proceeded to go through 1-5, 6-10, etc.. and ask each "expert" what they would change right now. Digger Phelps went to switch UNC and Illinois on the board but was stopped my Mike Jarvis who said something to the effect of "Digger, they're good....but i for one happen to like those zeros on Illinois and BC's record." If you're picking who you think will win it all, go ahead and "rah-rah caro-lina-lina" but if you're picking who's #1 now, there's no question.

[UNC41]

Last night at half time of the KU/Mizzou game, they broke out velcro-board Top 25. They proceeded to go through 1-5, 6-10, etc.. and ask each "expert" what they would change right now. Digger Phelps went to switch UNC and Illinois on the board but was stopped my Mike Jarvis who said something to the effect of "Digger, they're good....but i for one happen to like those zeros on Illinois and BC's record." If you're picking who you think will win it all, go ahead and "rah-rah caro-lina-lina" but if you're picking who's #1 now, there's no question.

I watched the game, but studied at halftime and didn't see that. Jarvis was absoultely right.

[EatSleepJeep]

You got the sarcasm in the first responds right? Anyways, it looks like Illiniois will have a much easier time when they play Iowa later this year.

Yeah, I got it. Clever.

When he was going through the rape thing in '01 I was buying a Des Moines Register at the local gas station, and he was on the front page. The lady next to me looked at the paper and said "Ohhh, he's a fine black man." I looked at her and said, "He's a rapist." Shock.

They haven't benched him yet, but they will. His last victim was bought off by a Hawkeye booster somehow. No one's been able to find the paper trail yet. I don't think anyone's gonna get involved in this one, and he's a little far from home this time. Or the woman could recant or choose not to cooperate and everyone might kiss and make up.

[watchtower41]

Hawkeye Pierre Pierce is out beating on women again...

http://www.dmregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050201/NEWS01/502010403/1001&lead=1

So he rapes and beats a female UI student, and gets off. Now he's at it again. My question: What's he doing in West Des Moines on a school night? It's 2 hours away from Iowa City.



:lol what a stupid ass. Bye Bye D1, Pierre. Just last week at the Northwestern game the students were chanting at him "NO MEANS NO" apparantly his ears work just as good as his brain.

[seekupig]

Bracketology as of today, who do you like out of each region (top 6 seeds listed)

SYRACUSE REGION
1. UNC
2. Kentucky
3. Arizona
4. Oklahoma St.
5. Pittsburgh
6. Texas

CHICAGO REGION

1. Illinois
2. Syracuse
3. Oklahoma
4. Cincinnati
5. Alabama
6. Maryland

ALBUQUERQUE REGION

1. Boston College
2. Wake Forest
3. Louisville
4. Michigan St.
5. Utah
6. UConn

AUSTIN REGION

1. Kansas
2. Duke
3. Washington
4. Wisconsin
5. Gonzaga
6. Iowa

as of now, i'll go with UNC, Syracuse, Louisville, and Kansas

[mray10]

that Albuquerque region seems significantly cushier than the others to me ...

[UNC41]

Bracketology as of today, who do you like out of each region (top 6 seeds listed)

SYRACUSE REGION
1. UNC
2. Kentucky
3. Arizona
4. Oklahoma St.
5. Pittsburgh
6. Texas

CHICAGO REGION

1. Illinois
2. Syracuse
3. Oklahoma
4. Cincinnati
5. Alabama
6. Maryland

ALBUQUERQUE REGION

1. Boston College
2. Wake Forest
3. Louisville
4. Michigan St.
5. Utah
6. UConn

AUSTIN REGION

1. Kansas
2. Duke
3. Washington
4. Wisconsin
5. Gonzaga
6. Iowa

as of now, i'll go with UNC, Syracuse, Louisville, and Kansas

The Syracuse region looks tougher than the rest. Your picks are pretty close to mine, but I don't see Illinois getting beat if they are in the Chicago region. The second weekend is like home games for them. I don't care what you've earned in the regular season no team should play that close to home the second weekend of the tourny.

[dmb1spe]

Personally... I think neither BC nor Illinois will be a one seed by the time March comes. The Big 10 is just too pathetic. I'd move Wake and Duke up.

[dmb1spe]

And the Syracuse division is a murderers row. Geesh... that's a tough one.

[bdb23]

Personally... I think neither BC nor Illinois will be a one seed by the time March comes. The Big 10 is just too pathetic. I'd move Wake and Duke up.
Wake???? C'mon.

[mray10]

Personally... I think neither BC nor Illinois will be a one seed by the time March comes. The Big 10 is just too pathetic. I'd move Wake and Duke up.

If the Big Ten truly is pathetic, however, that makes Illinois much more likely to run the table. I don't care what conference you play in, if you run the table you get a No. 1 seed. Or else you figure Illinois is vastly overrated (despite their drubbing of Wake) and will stumble ... probably several times to knock them from a 1 seed.

You may be right with BC, though. The toughest part of their schedule is still coming up and it wouldn't be at all shameful for them to finish with anywhere from 2-4 losses. That would make them either a weak 2 or a solid 3 seed, most likely.

[Davenumber40]

I fully expect UK to be the 2 seed in the Chicago region under Illinois. That's the worst possible raping they could give us and it wouldn't suprise me. Hell we had to play Wisconsin and Marquette in Milwaukee 2 years ago.

[watchtower41]

Wake???? C'mon.


ACC lovers (and this guy is KY fan) forget that Wake loss against Illinois much the same as the Santa Clara loss for the powder blue.... it wasnt against another ACC team, so it doesnt "really" count.

[haildmb]

I still say Wake's winning the national championship

[clayj41]

I still say Wake's winning the national championship

They need to step up then.

[UNC41]

I fully expect UK to be the 2 seed in the Chicago region under Illinois. That's the worst possible raping they could give us and it wouldn't suprise me. Hell we had to play Wisconsin and Marquette in Milwaukee 2 years ago.

No you didn't. Kentucky played Wisconsin and Marquette in Minneapolis. I was there.

[bdb23]

Nice first half for the Illini. It's raining 3's in East Lansing.


BTW, Maurice Ager... SCOREBOARD BITCH!!!

[unccrombie]

state's playin shitty, ew

[unccrombie]

:lol and MD down 16 to CLEMSON?! :LOL

[bdb23]

My god.... You would think UNC was on the court with the Illini. They're getting more air time out of Dickie V. than the team beating the shit out of the Spartans. Drop dead Vitale!!!

[meatball41]

My god.... You would think UNC was on the court with the Illini. They're getting more air time out of Dickie V. than the team beating the shit out of the Spartans. Drop dead Vitale!!!

I wanna choke him!! :violent

[bdb23]

I wanna choke him!! :violent
:thumbsup I guess this will have to do... :twak

[bdb23]

WTF?!?!? Dickie V. wisdom...

"Good decisions lead to a good life. Bad decisions lead to a bad life."

:ugh :freak

[unccrombie]

that was a spanking :( MD loses to clemson :lol they're down 20 with 5 to go

[bdb23]

that was a spanking :( MD loses to clemson :lol they're down 20 with 5 to go
The middle of the ACC is pretty much like every other conference. Anyone can pound on anyone.

[meatball41]

:thumbsup I guess this will have to do... :twak

I guess the pummelling of MSU will have to suffice for the moment. :thumbsup

[IlliniGal]

i'm a li'l late, but...

22-0 baby!

*this message brought to you by PBR because legends ran out of old style*

[seekupig]

here's a good read for you Illinois fans this morning. written by the one and only Dukie V after last nights game, talking out of the side of his mouth he obviously didn't talk out of during the game last night.................."what doubters?"

http://espn.go.com/dickvitale/vcolumn050201-Illinois-MichiganSt..html

[unccrombie]

illi will lose, if they dont before tourney time, i'd have to not pick them for fate purposes

[seekupig]

illi will lose, if they dont before tourney time, i'd have to not pick them for fate purposes

I think they'll run the regular season undefeated, catch a loss in the Big 10 tourney, still get a one seed, make it to the final four and get beat there.

[unccrombie]

I think they'll run the regular season undefeated, catch a loss in the Big 10 tourney, still get a one seed, make it to the final four and get beat there.
i think the same except they'll lose in the elite 8

[bdb23]

here's a good read for you Illinois fans this morning. written by the one and only Dukie V after last nights game, talking out of the side of his mouth he obviously didn't talk out of during the game last night.................."what doubters?"

http://espn.go.com/dickvitale/vcolumn050201-Illinois-MichiganSt..html
:twak What a jackass.

[seekupig]

i think the same except they'll lose in the elite 8

I was thinking the same yesterday, then i read where all of their games will likely be.

rounds 1 & 2 - Indianapolis
rounds 3 & 4 - Chicago
Final Four - St. Louis

i think they will have a huge advantage in an elite eight game played in Chicago (kind of like Duke playing at Madison Square Garden:lol )

[unccrombie]

I was thinking the same yesterday, then i read where all of their games will likely be.

rounds 1 & 2 - Indianapolis
rounds 3 & 4 - Chicago
Final Four - St. Louis

i think they will have a huge advantage in an elite eight game played in Chicago (kind of like Duke playing at Madison Square Garden:lol )
i dont think they're allowed to be so close to home? did you get that from bracketology?

[bdb23]

i dont think they're allowed to be so close to home? did you get that from bracketology?
Bracketology has them in OK City to for Rounds 1 & 2, but ESPN has been all over the Indy-Chicago-StL route for the Illini. They wouldn't even have to get on an airplane.

[seekupig]

i dont think they're allowed to be so close to home? did you get that from bracketology?

heard it on ESPN radio last night.

[watchtower41]

I think they'll run the regular season undefeated, catch a loss in the Big 10 tourney, still get a one seed, make it to the final four and get beat there.



:thumbsup


By Self & the boys.

[seekupig]

:thumbsup


By Self & the boys.

Illinois, Kansas, and UNC in the Final Four.........talk about incest.

[watchtower41]

Illinois, Kansas, and UNC in the Final Four.........talk about incest.



I figure if someone's gonna beat them, why not the guy who recruited them and coached them for a couple years. KU would matchup really well with the Illini imo, Luther Head/JR Giddens same player. Brown/Miles wipe each other out. Langford doesnt have the range of Williams, but can take him to the hole all day. Simien is the man who would make a difference in this matchup. Granted, the Illiini bench is better at this point, but still no answer for Big DUB.

[seekupig]

I figure if someone's gonna beat them, why not the guy who recruited them and coached them for a couple years. KU would matchup really well with the Illini imo, Luther Head/JR Giddens same player. Brown/Miles wipe each other out. Langford doesnt have the range of Williams, but can take him to the hole all day. Simien is the man who would make a difference in this matchup. Granted, the Illiini bench is better at this point, but still no answer for Big DUB.

I would like nothing more than a UNC / Kansas national championship game. Let Roy continue his run of Final Four losses against the players he left.

although Illinois could make the same case against Kansas.

[bdb23]

although Illinois could make the same case against Kansas.
:thumbsup :thumbsup I'd love our guys to give Self the same look he had against Nova. It would be priceless.

[dmb1spe]

Personally, I think the Final 4 will be:

UNC
Duke
Kentucky
Louisville

Final 8:
Wake
Illinois
Cuse
Ok St.

[unccrombie]

^ i think louisville is a good sleeper